April 9, 2025 • 62 mins
A Frozen Adventure in a Galaxy Far, Far AwayIn this episode of The Most Excellent 80s Movies Podcast, hosts Krissy Lenz and Nathan Blackwell are joined by special guest Francis Zagarigo to discuss the iconic sequel Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back. As a certified young person who had never seen the original trilogy before, Francis brings a fresh perspective to this beloved sci-fi classic.The hosts dive deep into what makes Empire such a standout film in the Star Wars saga. Nathan shares how this sequel takes a darker, more character-driven approach compared to the spectacle-focused original. Unlike the triumphant ending of A New Hope, Empire delivers a murkier "to be continued" conclusion that initially disappointed audiences but has since become celebrated as the franchise's pinnacle achievement.Krissy and Francis analyze the crackling romance between Han and Leia, from their contentious banter to the iconic "I love you"/"I know" exchange. Meanwhile, Francis expresses particular delight with the ice planet Hoth and less enthusiasm for the unnecessary tauntaun deaths. The trio also discusses Yoda's introduction, marveling at how a puppet became one of cinema's most believable and profound characters.Other topics covered:
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- The Millennium Falcon's persistent mechanical problems and lovable character
- Darth Vader's dramatic dinner table reveal in Cloud City
- The controversial "I am your father" twist and its impact
- Lando Calrissian's introduction and betrayal
- The special edition changes and how they compare to the original
- Luke's questionable decision to abandon his Jedi training
- The surprisingly minimal consequences of losing a hand in the Star Wars universe
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Hello and welcome to the Most Excellent Eighties Movies Podcast.
It's the podcast where we travel through hyperspace to revisit
our favorite movies of the nineteen eighties to see how
they hold up through our modern eyes. And today we're
talking about The Empire Strikes Back, or rather I should
say Star Wars episode five, The Empire Strikes Back, about
(00:54):
which Google says the adventure continues. In this Star Wars sequel,
Skywalker played by Mark Hamill, Han Solo played by Harrison Ford,
and Princess Leah played by Kerrie Fisher and Chewbaca played
by Peter Mayhew face attack by the Imperial Forces, and
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it's at at or ad at Walkers on the ice
planet Hoth. While Han and Leah escape. In the Millennium Falcon,
Luke travels to Dagoba in search of Yoda. Only when
the Jedi Masters help will Luke survive. When the Dark
side of the Force beckons him to the ultimate duel
with Darth Vader played by David Prouse. And it doesn't
(01:36):
say this, but voiced, of course by James Earl Jones.
H And here comes the trailer.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Luke Skywalker and Hans Solo rescued the Princess destroy the
Death Star, but their story didn't end there. Now the
Creators are the biggest smash hit of all time, bringing
the next.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Episode in the Star Wars Saga, The Empire Strikes Back,
continuing story of our band of heroes, Luke Skywalker, Princess Leah, Han.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Solo C three PO R two, D two, and Chewbacca,
and introducing Lando Calarision. It's an epic of romance of
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heroes and villains. They cross trackless voice.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
It's Too Unknown Worlds, a galactic odyssey against oppression.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
A big new, sprawling space adventure. In the Star Wars Saga,
The Empire Strikes Back, Coming to your galaxy next summer.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
A big new, sprawling space adventure.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
The trailers for the first the first two movies are
so goofy, they're so.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Odd even the narrators like but but he sounds.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
Like it's Harrison Ford.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
It was Harrison Ford.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
Yeah, it's uh huh he's he's doing it, you know,
just a little tongue in cheek.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Oh, I didn't realize you. I'm not convinced that it is.
Speaker 6 (04:27):
Okay, I would put money on it.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Okay. Uh well, I'm Chrissy Lenz. One of the directors
at the Neighborhood Comedy Theater in downtown Mesa, Arizona, and
with me as always.
Speaker 6 (04:40):
Is Nathan Blackwell. I realize, you know what, I think
we should change the way we do introductions, okay, because
it always leads me into an awkward pause.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Okay, do you want me to just introduce you and
then you can just say hello, let's.
Speaker 6 (04:56):
Keep all this in. Yeah, we'll figure something out. But anyways, Yes,
Nathan Blackwell, independent filmmaker with Squishy Studios, my production company
that makes movies but not money.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah, movies but not buddy, that's the way we like it.
And joining us today is a comedian at the Neighborhood
Comedy Theater. He's a sketch writer and improviser. And we're
so happy to have Francis Zagarigo.
Speaker 7 (05:27):
That's me. Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
He's also a certified young person, Yes, a young person
who has never seen any of these movies before. We
watched it together last night. Well, we watched episode four
together a few weeks ago, just for fundies because he
had never seen it, and we watched Empire Strikes Back
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together last night. So, Francis, what were some of your
first impressions of seeing episode four for the first time.
Speaker 7 (06:00):
I thought that it you know, of course I had
never seen it before, and it just stood up so well,
you know, it didn't seem I was amazed. It didn't
seem like hokey or anything to me. So I was
able to enjoy it even through the veil of time.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
Oh, the veil of time.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
The veil of time makes me.
Speaker 7 (06:21):
A little bit so attractive, you know. It was great.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
They are so attractive, It's true. And what are your
first impressions of Empire?
Speaker 7 (06:32):
Well, as we talked about last night, I was absolutely
happy that we were now in a cold climate, which
I strongly prefer. But and of course Yoda, I was
actually disappointed that he was not in the first one
that I saw. Yeah, so once he showed up, I
could relax, and you know, now I knew what was
going to happen.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
And yeah, so you were definitely aware of a lot
of these characters, and just like just through a culture,
like who everyone was, you weren't going in totally blind.
It's like, what is a Yoda? You know, like you
knew a Yoda? What a Yoda was?
Speaker 7 (07:10):
Yeah, in concept, I didn't know the species and I
still don't. We tried looking it up yesterday and there's
no information on that.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
Yeah. I think there's there's some islands that want to
keep off in the distance and never visit.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yeah, but I want to know, And so we just
keep calling him a Yoda. So that's why we call
baby Yoda baby Yoda, right, even though he's Grogu, he's
a Yoda.
Speaker 6 (07:34):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
So, well, it was like a human being named human.
We'll just assume that the species is Yoda. Uh huh,
and he's named after it. So we start with opening
crawl again. Oh well, let me ask you, Nathan what
obviously I'm just I'm making so many assumptions here. I'm
(07:55):
just assuming that this is a favorite movie of yours
and that you've seen it dozens of times. But that
may not be the case. Let me know, So this.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
Movie is a favorite of mine, I've seen it dozens
of times.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Oh good, So I was right.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
Yes, correct. Even though I'm upset that you assume all
these things, you are actually completely correct in your assumptions. Yeah,
it's interesting. So sorry just to kind of like go
backwards into the trailer, just how this empire is really
different than the first one, you know. Yeah, Star Wars
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aka I New Hope aka Episode four, And you can
tell in the trailer they're trying to sell it like
the first movie, which is all this upbeat spectacle, like
you're going to end the movie jumping out of your
seat and cheering. You know. I think all of us
were too young to remember really the first one. Like
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I technically saw the first one. I was in the
room when the first one was happening. How about that?
Because I was like like ten months old or like,
you know, basically a baby, an infant. I had to
be held to move places, you know, And so I
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don't remember the first one, but I definitely remember the
era when there was only two Star Wars movies, you know.
I remember the Palpa Pole excitement of the night before
Return of the Jedi. So I was like six or
so at the time, and I remember like flipping through
the magazine like the sci fi magazines and seeing images
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of like Jaba's Palace and just being like so like
excited about seeing a Star Wars movie. But I have
no memory of seeing the first ones for the first
time because I was so darn young. But I definitely
remember see being the first one again on VHS and
(10:05):
how big of a deal that was. So the first
one still had like a big impact on me. But yeah,
they're very different, you know. And and you know, I
was watching like a special feature with Ben Burt, the
sound designer, talking about how people were really kind of
disappointed with the second one because it was kind of
(10:25):
it was like the first one was like, yeah, go
get them. It was so much spectacle, and it was
really spectacle and world building, first characters, kind of second,
you know, third maybe, and and and this one is
more character, more adult you know, love story, and more
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of a kind of like a murky to be continued,
you know.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
And now people are obsessed with it and say it's
it's the best one of the bunch, right.
Speaker 6 (11:01):
They now have a third one to kind of then, yeah,
I feel.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Three in a secondary And.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
But yeah, I think for people to really you know,
you you expectation and comparison really can uh you know,
shadow a movie watching experience, and I think it had
to have the third one for us to really appreciate
the second one, you know. But but yeah, I mean,
(11:33):
I mean we we had to have some sort of
conclusion to it, you know. But yeah, I definitely prefer
like the the more complexity, the more character, and honestly
more humor, but also the darkness and the dreaminess of
the second one more, you know.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah. I realized last night when I was watching with
Francis how many of my favorite quotes are from are
from Empire. Even though you forget like scruffy, lookin' nerve
heerder like scoundrel, I like the sound of that. You know,
no try, try not do or do not like luminous beings?
Are we All these great quotes are from this one,
(12:18):
But this one is not my favorite of the four, five,
and six. I remember watching them on VHS when I
was young. As my daughter Zoe said last night, I
have no memory of ever seeing them for the first time.
They were always just familiar old hats to me, and
(12:39):
so my strongest memory is of seeing them in the
nineties re releases when they put them back out in
theaters and added all this digital nonsense.
Speaker 6 (12:52):
Yeah, so the only versions of the movies that we
can pretty much find these days are the special editions.
So basically, in the nineties, Lucas went back and added
in some things that he was kind of peeved or
bugged by. It turns out we were also peeg peeved
and bugged as well. Yeah, by the things he added.
(13:16):
An Empire is very light. There's just only a couple
of little things that were changed.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
But if more like establishing shots of like cloud City
and stuff where.
Speaker 6 (13:26):
Yeah, yeah, they added in the actually because they they
added in the actual actor who plays the emperor into
the second one, because at that point they hadn't cast
him yet. In the third one, they had basically just
cast some day player to play him, and so they
actually casted him in. Oh my god, I'm totally spacing
(13:50):
on his name, Ian yell at the podcast listeners, the
actor Chrissy, you were supposed to save me at that point,
I'm looking it up. Oh my god. Ian McDermott obviously
hold on, we'll just insert this and then, of course
(14:11):
Ian McDermott, Yes, okay, my fan card has just been revoked,
and so no, I'm very sad. Yeah, so he's fantastic,
but he wasn't cast till the third one, so they
plugged him into the second one, and then just a
bunch of other changes. But compared to what they changed
(14:32):
in the first and third one, this was pretty light. Yeah,
but yeah, that was fun to see them on the
big screen.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Again, what do you think, Francis you? After seeing it
on you know, our living room TV screen, do you
wish you had had a big screen experience for these movies?
Speaker 7 (14:56):
You mean, like at the theater?
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yeah, Like would you if if I was like if
I called you up and was like, oh, it's playing
on the big screen, let's go see it on the
big screen, would you be like yeah, yeah, would you
be like, no, no, I've experienced no.
Speaker 7 (15:12):
Yeah, to quote the movie, No, I would have gone.
But you know, here's something about me. I suspend my disbelief,
So it doesn't matter if I'm looking at a twelve
inch TV or the silver screen, like I'm there, I'm
like locked in tunnel vision.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
M M.
Speaker 7 (15:27):
So I feel like I got as good an experience
as I could have.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Good, good, good. So we started with the opening crawl,
blah blah, blah, it's a dark time. The Empires at
the opening crawl relentlessly. Uh. They have a new secret
base on Hoth, but there's a star destroyer that's sending
out probes, probes, probes, probes, probes everywhere. And my thought is, like,
you're sending like three probes to check an entire planet, Like,
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how is that time efficient?
Speaker 6 (16:00):
Well, we don't know really how many probes they sent.
I mean, it's it's a little harsh to judge them
on how many we saw just in that sequence.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Oh so you think they were spitting out probes? Yeah,
less right.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
They said they've sent down thousands of probes. Okay, maybe
they said a thousand probes, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeahte their probe budget is through the roof.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
They're probe I mean, they're the Empire. I mean, so
much bureaucracy, so much.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Money, probe wires a their contract employees.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
I I really like Hath as a location. You know,
it's so did Francis Francis continue Hath?
Speaker 7 (16:49):
I mean, you know it's visually a desert. Fine. As
soon as I saw that ice planet, I was like, okay,
I can get into this. There's one thing I love
ice snow visible breath like hathhead.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
At all, including you were very upset about the death
of two Tontons.
Speaker 7 (17:08):
Yeah, I mean, honestly, that was so out of tone
for what I was prepared for.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Uh huh.
Speaker 7 (17:15):
It really was. Like it reminded me when my dad
took me hunting. I was not loving it.
Speaker 6 (17:19):
They kind of go hard in a couple of points
in this movie, like cutting the belly open of the Tontan,
cutting Luke's hand off. Yeah, you know, like they weren't
just making what we think of like as a Disney movie.
They were going for the spectacle in it. Sometimes it
meant kind of going, you know, a little into horror.
(17:45):
You know, not that the you know, not that the
Tonton thing was supposed to elicit horror. It was supposed
to be kind of like I think they were. They
were kind of repeating maybe something that been in like
either like Old West stories or it's like, oh, the buffalo,
you know, we got to cut open the buffalo because
we're all freezing and yeah, but yeah, that was that
(18:08):
was pretty intense. And there's a lot to.
Speaker 7 (18:11):
Make fun of it too. They like made fun of
the animal that just saved them.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
Yeah, I thought it smelled bad on the outside. I
think that was them just trying to soften the horror
of the moment, you know. But yeah, there's one of
the interesting things of rewatching this film is I still
like movies. You see, as a young kid, you've kind
of imprinted in stone your reaction to them, and it's
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interesting to revisit that and to remember your reaction, but
also now look at it as an adult after many years,
you know, right, And there's there's a lot of these
moments that kind of like pop out, like why did
he say that? Why did that happen? Why is his
seat first? You know, just like weird things like that,
(19:03):
Like I remember that. It's like why is Han yelling
at the deck officer and being so mean to him?
They all want to find Luke. Yeah, well I get
it now.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Like one of those moments that got me though, was
when he's dying in the snow. He just escaped the wampa.
He's like literally dying in the snow, and uh, that's
the moment that Obi Wan chooses to pop up and
be like, oh, bt dubs, right, I've got homework for you.
Speaker 6 (19:33):
There's one unread message go to Dagobah Yoda, I got
no advice for you right now, Pal. Yeah, and then
it should be like I'm freezing, You'll be fine.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
You'll be fine. Any Danny is fine. He turns out fine,
but he's like, so what do we know, Yoda Ben,
It's like, oh my god, you just made him crazy
in addition to freezing to dev it's like such an
odd moment.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
So one interesting fun fact. For all the time, it's
like not all the shots in Hath, but all the
time we see the main characters, you know, uh on
Hath in the snow when it's not like a big
wide shot, you know, it's like close ups of him,
you know, in the Tontons and things like that. If
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you turn the camera completely around, you would see that
the crew is is right in front of the hotel,
like they're basically like there's shots that they filmed that
they were in the doorway of the hotel shooting like
Luke in the snow. That's how cold the location is.
But that's also like the like the magic of like locations,
(20:52):
Like literally they were there. It was a snowed over
area like parking lot, you know, of the of a
hotel to where it is just twenty feet away from
from Mark Hamill.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
So they had a real life blizzard and they just
took advantage of it.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
Yeah yeah, and they just like we're you know, everyone
else was like in hot it's like, you know, drinking
hot cocoa in the doorway of the hotel as everyone
was like struggling in the snow.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Oh that was real snow, Francis. Could you feel it
on screen?
Speaker 7 (21:28):
Even happier? But now I'm wondering if, like the manager
of the Marriotte small Bard was like, I did not sign.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Up for this.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Close the door, you're letting the snow in. And they're like, no,
we're making movie magic. Uh. So Han and Leah are
having their like sexy will there won't they? Back and forth,
They're going down hallways, They're yelling at each other. He's like,
(22:01):
I'm good. It must be pretty close to the mark
to get such a reaction out of her hocket and
then she smooches Luke. Oh my god, I don't want
to spoil anything for future viewing for you, Francis, But
that's not okay. And they have this whole like moonlighting
(22:23):
will they or won't they? Moment did that sort of
until the very end where she finally says I love
you and he says I know. That iconic moment. Francis,
how did that work for you? You roll your eyes. The
audience can't say.
Speaker 7 (22:37):
That's if he wanted to, he would. It's like I said,
if you said I love you and someone said I know,
I'm like, I'm out like this, I'm not doing this,
like we're being attacked by the empire. You can't even
just commit to me, like no.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
You're about to be frozen in carbonite.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
Right, although you know they don't know that, but still,
like no, I was that was very luke lukewarm.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I don't know, man, it might just be conditioning and
the fact that I have a on and Leah tattoo
of the I love you I know moment. But they're
romance to me just crackles and I root for them
so hard. I I love, I love They're they're bad relationship.
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It's not a good relationship.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
It's not a good romance, but it works for me.
What do you do? You have feelings about it?
Speaker 6 (23:37):
Nathan, Yeah, I yeah, I I do. I am surprised
at how much it kind of crackles or at least
how much of a fight there romance is? You know,
it really is a Yeah, it really is a you know,
like a Howard Hawks style his girl Friday, Like you know,
(24:03):
they are enemies, but they are secretly you know, in
love and they just can't help but express their kind
of like school yard feelings by being mean to each other.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yeah, they're like enemies to lovers.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
They just aren't very good at romance and so it
becomes a fight.
Speaker 7 (24:26):
Is there another woman in this entire movie? I'm trying to.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Remember, Well, we see some, but we don't talk to them.
Speaker 7 (24:34):
Okay, because I'm thinking he should be more.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Excited, you know that there's that there's a hot lady
around right.
Speaker 7 (24:40):
Like the she's the only one on hap and Oh
you're good. You're gonna play hard to.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Get mm hmm yeah mmmm. He's gonna be a scruffy
looking nerve hurder and she's gonna get pissed at him
all the time.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
She's the leader of the resistance. We see a moment
of her like rallying the troops before they escape from
hop and it's like, how do you not respond to
that power and confidence and just say, oh, I love you?
Princess Leiah. I know I'm a scoundrel, but love me
in return. But no, Well does rescue her on the
(25:13):
falcon though.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
I think the problem is is that he feels that
he just can't express that, you know, I think he
is a hot like at the start. I feel like
at the start of this movie, they are one hundred
percent both into each other. No one's being convinced. It's
about dropping their act, you know, dropping their armor.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Being vulnerable, be vulnerable in space.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
Yeah, And so he's trying to provoke her when he's
first leaving, just to admit it beca and he's being
childish because he also can't be an adult about it,
you know, he can't be honest about it in front
of her.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
They're trying so hard just to serve in space. They
have no emotional intelligence. They have to use their whole
brain to just evade the empire and fight for justice
to be to be fair.
Speaker 6 (26:12):
They are going through a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
They are there's a lot on her plate right.
Speaker 7 (26:16):
Now, going through one thing.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
Uh huh. It just yeah, it just keeps going.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
As the one guy says, having a price on your
head is no easy thing. So he's got it. He's
got to go pay back Jaba. But they end up
escaping together and they fly through an asteroid. Well, I'm
skipping all the action on HAF. What did you think
of the action on HAFF? Was it fun? Yeah? Okay?
(26:43):
All right? Uh so they land on an asteroid field?
Speaker 6 (26:49):
Uh huh. But I guess to revisit the idea of
stuff you are, you know, at a certain age, no
matter what you see, it's like, oh that makes sense
to me, right great, and you don't question it. Like
the ad ads are the most ridiculous assault weapons, but
they are so they are cool and as a young person,
(27:10):
you just see them and you okay that they are
telling me that that is fact. I accept fact, you know,
And now you look at some of these there's a
number of things in this movie where they go for
this exaggerated spectacle. That's if a new Star Wars movie
came out and did that, this is where all the
(27:31):
fans get in uproar. But Star Wars has always done
kind of these goofy, wacky things, you know, like the
like the space like this this that, like they're in
the throat of a space monster inside an asteroid for
a couple hours.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
You know, Yeah, they're in there for a while. You
should be going.
Speaker 6 (27:56):
Right, uh, you know, and then the ad and then
there's just a number of things, you know, like I've
rewatching it. Like the most incredulous moment to me is
where Han evades the Star Destroyer by going off of
their scope. And so it does one assume that he
(28:18):
went from full power to like complete stop and then
like a magnetically attaching himself to the ship in just
that one moment. Like if we saw it, we it
wouldn't be believable, but by everyone accepting that it happened,
it makes it plausible, you know, yeah, because.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
They're literally like, we got to get the millennium falcon.
It is there, it is again. Uh it's gone.
Speaker 6 (28:49):
Uh huh.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Oops. What did you think of the millennium falcon? Because
that's like an icon for people who are obsessed with
Star Wars and they you know, Dorian at Star Wars
Land in Disneyland, which we recently visited Francis together, when
he saw this big millennium falcon that you could like
(29:11):
go inside and drive, he wept tears of nerd joy.
How did it affect you to like spend all this
time on the Millennium Falcon, were you impressed with it
or were you just like, oh, that's that thing I
was in.
Speaker 7 (29:27):
I thought it was very cool, but also functionally, I
think this thing has been in the shop more than
it's been in the air. Yeah, so I don't know
if they need like a new mechanic or was every
time they need a feature from this vehicle, it's like, whoops, Nope.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
It don't work.
Speaker 7 (29:45):
That doesn't help me to I could splice some wires together.
So yeah, it's like it's cool, but when you need it.
Speaker 6 (29:52):
So so it's like one of those cars to where
you're now. You may have paid off the car, but
now it's in the shop so much that maybe you
should just get a new car.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
For it's like I for the from the first one,
like the Millennium Falcon, is was cool and it was like,
you know, especially during that time in sci fi, the
first time you really got to see something like a
like a personal starship. You know, before it was like
like Star Trek, it's like, oh, yeah, we've got hundreds
(30:25):
of people and it's ambiguous, but like Millennium Falcon, you
practically got to see every room, you know, except apparently
like the Cape Room, which you've if you've seen Solo,
there's a Cape room. But uh, with for me, Empire
was when I really fell in love with the Millennium
(30:47):
Falcon because it's breaking down so much like to me
just that I don't know. I love the character of
a spaceship that keeps breaking down and it has starts
to have like a personality, and you're like hitting it
and kicking it. Why won't this stupid thing work? Like
to me that that just became more fun. The reoccurring
(31:10):
joke that the hyper drive would never work.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Yeah, the hyper drive never works. And at the end
R two D two is like, well, uh you guys,
they they turn they're like never listening to C three
PO and R two D two.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
Yeah they literally flipped a switch.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Yeah yeah, but C three PO is like the hyper
drives not working. And then the end R two is
like the hyper drives not working, beepop boop, and it's like,
we'll turn it back on. Okay, zip zip I turned
it back on. The Oh let's get out of here.
Oh oh, there they ship, there they go, there they go.
(31:48):
I love that Darth Vader like hires all these bounty
hunters to bring him, uh the Millennium the Millennium Falcon,
when it's like, aren't you really after Luke? Like okay,
but he hires all these bounty hunters and that's the
scene where it's like there it is, it's right there,
(32:08):
give me my money. That's when we see Boba fet
following it on his ship, the slave one out of
their little ruse with the trash.
Speaker 6 (32:21):
Can you know what I think is one of those
things that we maybe don't understand as kids but maybe
appreciate as adults. Is I bet with like all the
probes and hiring the bounty hunters and just sparing no
expense to find them. I bet they were nearing the
end of a fiscal period and they had to spend
(32:44):
a certain amount of money, you know, because then they
wouldn't get that money again when they make the new budget.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
And they save so much money by murdering their admirals
every time, there you go, every admiral gets murdered, and
then it's like you're the admiral now, and they're like,
I really don't want this promotion, please don't. I don't
want to get forest choked by you. Let's talk about Yoda.
(33:15):
How cute is Yoda? At first when we meet him,
he's like just a little imp. That's like eating his
candy bars and tearing apart his base camp and stealing
his flashlight and fighting with R two D two and
being very silly. A silly little puppet really would seem
(33:37):
to take you out of these moments. But then all
of a sudden he goes serious and I cannot teach him.
No patience has this boy. And then all of a
sudden he's this serious Jedi master, and it's like Yoda,
you seek Yoda. Ah, yeah, that'll take me to Yoda.
Oh I'm Yoda, you dumb, dumb. I can't teach him.
(33:58):
He doesn't get that I'm Yoda. Uh. What were your
impressions of Yoda? Francis? And I know you were waiting
for him and expecting him, so I was like, when
you finally met.
Speaker 7 (34:09):
Him, hot take, he's not that cute. Oh no, I
mean baby Yoda adorable, but old Yoda, Like you know,
he's wise and that's enough. He doesn't have to be cute.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
Right, he doesn't. He doesn't have to try anymore, honestly, Like,
I mean, yeah, he's more attractive than Et for sure.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Oh oh, by leaps and bounds. You can't even compare
the two, like Et is a monster.
Speaker 6 (34:41):
But yeah, I think it's fair to say that Yoda
is past his silver fox years. Yeah, and now he
is a respectable elder.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Yeah. But here we here, we are in this uh
serious movie and there's a freaking puppet.
Speaker 6 (35:01):
Mm hmmm, yes, I love.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Him, Francis.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
How so the fact that when how did the fact
that one of our main characters was a puppet or
a not technically a muppet, Well, muppets are basically like
specifically just for the Muppet stuff, you know, I think,
(35:30):
I mean, I I don't know how the I mean
it was made by Jim Henson's company, yeahpets, yeahs. Yeah,
but so as how did a puppet for one of
our main characters work for you?
Speaker 7 (35:46):
You know, the gift of the suspension of disbelief is
I didn't see puppet, you know, And that is also
you know, a not to movie magic that there's a
hand in there and we don't know.
Speaker 6 (36:00):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 7 (36:01):
I mean, if if it's right in it looks even
though it's old, it still looked pretty good.
Speaker 6 (36:06):
Mm hmm. Yeah, it it ectical. It really holds up.
And I and honestly, I feel like not only the performance,
but just how it is presented and how it's lit.
You know, how it shot is a huge part of
it too. Like they also did the puppet. They made
(36:29):
a cast of the same puppet in the Last Jedi
and there and it, and for some reason, I felt
like the lighting didn't work as much for that one,
Like he came off as really green in the Last Jedi,
and it's a much softer, faded light on him in
(36:51):
this one. It Yeah, yeah, exactly, but yeah, I feel
like it really holds up. Even though you know it's
a puppet, it's still like but you also know that
you're watching actors when you're watching the Humans.
Speaker 7 (37:14):
You know, he looked better than you guys mentioned the
the effects being added to know for like special releases
or you know that stuff looks like it didn't fit
you know, yeah, comparatively, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (37:30):
It was kind of shiny, you know.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Yeah, It's like it's like the Uncanny Valley. It just
is a little too has a little bit too much
shine on it, too perfect, Yeah, a little too perfect.
And Yoda is our little imperfect imp who is making
Luke do Yoda and telling him he's not passive enough
(37:55):
passive you must be let the Force flow through you.
And it's like, Okay, I'm not sure this is the
best advice. Like I'm not loving this advice.
Speaker 6 (38:05):
I remember when he says adventure, excitement, a Jedi craves,
not these things, and me as a kid going, what
the fuck? Yeah, no, kid, what are you telling me?
I don't know if I sign up for that, but
as an adult, I totally get it. Like, I totally
get it. You're not supposed to be full of sugar
and adrenaline and wanting to cut people in half. That's
(38:28):
kind of not the technically the whole Force and Jedi thing.
It's more of a spirituality.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Yeah. Well, but the whole, the whole shebang is that
Luke is our only like remaining link to the Jedi.
He's the only one left who can wield the Force
and somehow bring the Empire down and put the galaxy
back in balance. So when Vader and the Emperor have
(38:57):
a talk about him, they're life, if he could be turned,
he would be a powerful ally. Yes, we'll turn him,
or he'll die. And then when Yoda and Obi Wan
have a talk about him. They're like, well, this kid sucks.
He's way too grumpy and angry and whiny, which he is,
(39:22):
but they're like, he's our only hope. And they finally
reveal in a moment that's very understated, No, there is
another what what do you mean there's another? What's this
understated moment that we're having here? Who's the other?
Speaker 6 (39:41):
You know?
Speaker 2 (39:43):
And I don't feel like they put enough sauce on that. Well,
I'm not gonna tell you. You have to find out
on your own. You have to watch the movie.
Speaker 7 (39:50):
How did I miss that?
Speaker 2 (39:53):
That's what I mean? You miss it? They it's just
like whoop, you pass right by it. But they're like, okay,
because he's rewhiney. He's just like, I can't do it, Yoda.
It's too heavy, Yoda, it's too hard, Yoda. I don't
like your tiny house, Yoda.
Speaker 6 (40:13):
Please, where's the bathroom?
Speaker 2 (40:17):
A swamp? This is bathroom is everywhere?
Speaker 3 (40:23):
You know?
Speaker 6 (40:24):
Again, it's like looking returning as an adult, I kind
of have and then also now having seen ninety more
Star Wars movies, I have a slightly different take on No,
he's our only hope. We've got you know, he's he's
got to be the one that saves us all. You know.
(40:45):
It's like before I assumed that Luke was literally the
only one now who had who's on the good side,
who had the Force, and now with like all the
expanded universe of other movies and things like that, I
find that to be preposterous. You know, there's other Jedis
(41:05):
hiding or maybe just forced sensitive people like you know,
having an ability with the force is a natural thing,
a very rare thing, but it's not something that just
a bloodline has. You know. Now they're very powerful because
of that. But I now of it because I mean,
(41:26):
the movie doesn't say any of the stuff, so it's
just your head canon of what you feel is the
explanation to these things. You know. The not only is
Luke very powerful and he has great potential and he
can become the hero that they're looking for, but he
also has an emotional connection with Darth Vader, and really
(41:49):
the bad guy to overcome is Darth Vader, and they
know he's his son, and they have some hope that
either Luke can be powerful and defeat him, or Luke
can get through and hopefully change Darth Vader.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
You know.
Speaker 6 (42:08):
So, I think that it very much has to do
with the relationship of Luke and his dad. That why
they're putting so much hope on him.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
It all comes down to relationships. You got to be
vulnerable in space. That's what we're learning. We need some
We need Brene Brown for the Star Wars universe. What
did you think of the Cloud City, Francis? Did you
think it was like a hip happening place that you
wanted to visit? And the introduction of Lando is like
(42:43):
our first space person of color.
Speaker 7 (42:46):
Yes, well I was gonna say it was no has,
but you're right. And if I'm counting capes, I think
he was the only one who wore one. So this
is like the Milan of the universe. Right, it's all
about fashion.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
Yes, yes, it's all about fashion and a man and
a cape.
Speaker 7 (43:04):
It seems to be the only place we've been introduced
to that is like trying to be a city, right,
wants people to come?
Speaker 6 (43:10):
Yeah, yeah, kind of like a struggling business planet. You know,
it's like struggling non union planet.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Yeah. So we go visit Lando in Cloud City and
it's like do we trust him? We don't trust him?
We trust him. We don't trust him. He's a scoundrel too.
He's a but of course it's a double cross. Darth
Vader and Boba Fett are there. But I love the
moment where they're like, Okay, we're gonna set this up,
(43:39):
like really, it's gonna be really fun. I'm gonna be
at the head of the dinner table. You open the door,
Boba Fett, you stay hidden until the right moment.
Speaker 6 (43:52):
It's gonna be so good.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
It's gonna be so good. We're gonna get him. And
then they open the door and of course Darth Vader
is just sitting there waiting for and he stands up
and they're like, oh no.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
Us.
Speaker 6 (44:05):
He's like I imagine the moment before he's just like
moving things around on the table. It's like, yeah, well,
I don't know, maybe for dinner we'll do this or
But I also love that that there's like an internet
meme or whatever, like be like han like, as soon
as that door opens and he sees Darth Vader's there,
(44:25):
he just starts blasting. He just starts shotting at him
in the face.
Speaker 7 (44:29):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
And of course he gets his blasters sucked away, but
he gets like he gets like three or four good
shots in uh huh, Darth Vader just absorbs into his hand.
But it's like, yeah, make him work for it, don't
give it up so easy.
Speaker 6 (44:44):
I really like Cloud City, I mean because it's ambiguous.
You know, it's like it's it's off the radar. It's
a little shady, but it's beautiful. And so there's like
a much more complex, you know, adult situation that they're in.
(45:09):
Maybe adult is the is the wrong way, but it's
more complex than like, oh, we're on on ice planet.
We are on you know, low life town. You know,
it's it's kind of a little off the radar. You know,
no one wants to be noticed on this planet. But
yet it's got this beautiful presentation. But behind all this,
(45:32):
like this the beautiful architecture, the door opens up and
it's it is a really greasy, mechanical place.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
You know.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
Yeah, they got that really nice dining room, but they've
also got that chop shop in the back.
Speaker 6 (45:47):
Yeah. That's literally a doorway.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
You know, Yeah, one door, one door to the north.
So if you get lost, you're really in trouble. As
C three po learned to his detriment, boy, he's a
planer two.
Speaker 6 (46:00):
Gosh, you know what, I was always sensitive about how
humans treat droids, But now that I'm I'm having to
deal with so many like AI chatbots from websites that
I have to visit, I kind of get it now,
you know.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
Yeah, sometimes you just want to switch that bad boy off. Also,
see three PO is like being rescued by Chewbacca. Chewbacco's
the one who discovers him. Chewbacca is the one who
finds all his pieces and carries him out, and he
just keeps calling him a big hairy beast. Yeah, it's
like chill chilli down a little three p o. My god,
(46:40):
he's literally rescuing you. I always so I have this
little backpack that's like a Chewbacca that rides on your shoulders,
which which which doesn't make any sense. At no point
does Chewbacca ride on anyone's shoulders.
Speaker 6 (46:57):
Whose shoulders could he ride on?
Speaker 2 (47:00):
No, no one's That's why it makes no sense. I
love this fact because it makes me feel like a giant.
But I always thought it would make more sense to
have one that was like c three PO and pieces.
Speaker 6 (47:12):
Yes, yeah, absolutely, with like the netting and everything.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
Yeah, and there is a Yoda one, so you can
ride with Yoda on your back and he can make
you do yoga Yoda.
Speaker 7 (47:23):
Yoga, Yeah, big dumb human.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
Yeah exactly, and telling you you're not trying hard enough
to be passive. Try harder. No, don't try, there is
no try, but be passive, and oh my god.
Speaker 6 (47:38):
You'll be more afraid. Oh no, oh no.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
So Darth Vader shows up, all hell breaks loose. Luke
shows up because he left, and both Obi Wan and
Yoda were like, don't go save your friends. Their sacrifice
will need more than you going to rescue them. And
he's just like, I don't think that's the way I'm
gonna do this. And they're like, yeah, they'll die if
(48:06):
you don't rescue them, but don't go. Just I'm gonna go.
And you think you should have stayed.
Speaker 7 (48:18):
If you get into an IVY League program, you need
to finish your program, you know what I mean? Like,
no one gets this opportunity.
Speaker 6 (48:29):
It's true, I don't know. So what what would have happened? Okay,
so what would have happened if he had not gone? Uh?
Lando would have still done what he done, right, you know,
(48:50):
flip to help them and honestly like it would have
all kind of gone down the same except for Darth Vader,
like Darth Vader as soon as Darth Vader was occupied, right, Yeah,
but it kind of felt like he would have left anyway,
you know.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
Yeah, m hmmm. He'd have been like, this is for
underlings to deal with.
Speaker 6 (49:15):
Mm hmm. So what are say? It's hard to say.
It's hard to say, but I mean Darth Vader would
have still been there because he's waiting for Luke mm hmm.
Speaker 7 (49:30):
Would have looked Luke wouldn't wasn't even gonna show up.
He would have looked like foolish.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
Yeah, it would have had to choke someone, he would
have and it might have been Lando that would have Yeah,
that would have sucked. So we have this whole epic
battle where Lando is finally well. Han Solo gets frozen
in the carbonit I love you, I know. He gets
(49:56):
taken by Boba Fat. They're trying to rescue him, they
can't rescue him. They're trying to escape, they can't escape.
What are they going to do? Thank god, Lando can
drive the Millennium Falcon because it used to be his ship.
So they're all gonna escape on the Millennium Falcon. Meanwhile,
Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader are having their epic battle
(50:20):
clash clash clash and I'll never join you, join the
dark side. I'll never join you Clash clash clash class.
He told me enough, he told me you killed my father. No,
I am your father. What that's impossible? Uh? And then
he slides down a slide and comes out at the
(50:42):
bottom of the planet and luckily uses the forest to First,
he's trying to call obi Wan and it's like obi
Wan is a ghost, bro, what are they going to
do to stay?
Speaker 6 (50:55):
It's like calling for his mommy.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
Yeah, So then he calls for Lea and then she's like,
let's go get Luke. And then they rescue him, and
Darth Vader still has brain power to say join me.
It's your destiny and Luke is just still whining, Ben,
why didn't you tell me? But the Falcon gets away
(51:20):
thanks to AR two D two. Luke makes a new
hand and they all stand by a window in a
Rebel starship as Lando takes off with the Falcon to
go try and rescue Han and that's our cliffhanger ending
to the Empire strikes back What did you think of
the end, Francis.
Speaker 7 (51:41):
I think it leaves one very large question to be answered,
which is his hand gets cut off right while holding
the lightsaber. M that's gonna lay him somewhere. You know,
someone's gonna get that weapon or be traumatized by the hand.
I want to see that story.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
Yeah, where does the lightsaber end up?
Speaker 7 (52:06):
Yeah? Also, he when he gets his new he gets
his new like robot hand or droid hand or whatever.
So I was expecting because everyone knows, like, okay, his
hand gets cut off, but it's like there's no stakes
because I got a new hand, y'all.
Speaker 6 (52:24):
Well now he's now he's got to buy hand oil
like every every month.
Speaker 7 (52:31):
Yeah, I hadn't thought of that.
Speaker 2 (52:32):
Yeah, it's true. But yeah, it doesn't seem like a
big deal to get your body parts cut off because
you could just build mechanical ones in this world and it.
Speaker 7 (52:41):
Looks the same. It's not even like a hook or
like a kitchen dough mixer attachment. It's just like a hand.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
Yeah, it was a very little consequence to getting your
hand chopped off. The bigger deal is that he lost
his light saber. Yeah, that someone's some poor kid on
Jaku is gonna find all right, So that's Empire strikes
back on a scale of one new spanking new mechanical
(53:10):
hand to ten spank mechanical hands or.
Speaker 6 (53:15):
Should it be a mechanical hand with one finger or
a mechanical hand with ten fingers.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
Two or two mechanical hand with ten fingers. Yes, that
would be a pretty messed up thing to look at.
That's like a I drew it.
Speaker 7 (53:29):
I'd lest track at a scale.
Speaker 2 (53:31):
Let's start with Francis one to ten.
Speaker 7 (53:37):
In general or just in comparison to the other movie
I've seen.
Speaker 2 (53:43):
General, Yeah, Okay, one to ten.
Speaker 7 (53:47):
I would say that it's a seven.
Speaker 2 (53:54):
Okay, what do you think, Nathan.
Speaker 6 (53:56):
I think that's the lowest he could go. And I
would still like Francis. Okay, So we're okay, we're okay. Yeah,
Well so this is this is not fair because I
saw it was a pivotal seminole movie for me as
a young person, so I'm not judging it as objectively.
(54:21):
I mean, for me, it's got to be a ten.
Even though I've got issues with it, it's for me
the best. For me, it's my favorite Star Wars film
and Star Wars basically made me along with like Indiana
Jones maybe love movies, right, and I love movies so
much that I'm a filmmaker, so it's it's pretty significant
(54:45):
for me. So yeah, I can't help if I can't.
If I don't give it a ten, then I'm also
kicked out of the club.
Speaker 2 (54:53):
So yeah, I totally agree with that. I too have
to give it a ten because I I love watching
this movie. I've seen it countless, countless times, but I
still adore watching it and I have fun watching it
with so much so that I'm like, Francis, we gotta
(55:15):
watch this. We got to watch the Empire. Uh, You're
gonna love it. And I have to bring new people
in to watch it and experience it and enjoy it.
So how do you not give a movie like that
a ten? You know, like like Back to the Future,
like you know, any of like Bill and Ted, like
(55:37):
any of these movies that I've just seen, Princess Bride
over and over. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So that was an
unfair scale for you to participate in, Francis.
Speaker 7 (55:49):
What was unfair is that I had to go first.
Speaker 2 (55:52):
Yes, right, That's why I made you go.
Speaker 6 (55:56):
You got to express yourself more naturally.
Speaker 2 (55:59):
So yeah, uh so what about a deep cut recommendation,
something that you think if people like this, they would
also like blank. I won't make you go first this time, Francis.
I'll let you get a little bit of an idea
how it works. I'll make Nathan go first this time.
Speaker 6 (56:16):
Okay. So, so mine is not very deep, but it's
it's it's a because it's a Star Wars thing, Okay,
one that I hope gets a little more word of
mouth because it is fun. And that's that's their new series,
the Skeleton Crew.
Speaker 2 (56:37):
Oh is it good? It's good, you like it.
Speaker 6 (56:39):
It's a lot of fun. It is goonies meet Star Wars.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 6 (56:46):
And so it it has a lot of fun. And
so it is to the thing that hooked me was
that I found out that the people who have done
all the Spider Man Homecoming movies did this.
Speaker 2 (56:58):
Oh I love them.
Speaker 6 (56:59):
Yes, So like John Watts and his writer friend, they
did the whole They wrote the whole thing. I think
John Wattstrek's one or two episodes, and then Bryce Dallas
Howard directs an episode like it's You've got a lot
of really top people who work on this and you
(57:20):
know it's not perfect, but it is like an ambulance
Star Wars movie or a Star Wars series, and Jude
Law is great in it. Like so it's a lot
of fun for me. It just all worked, And yeah,
I recommend it. It's for some people who have maybe
had an abrasive relationship with some of the Star Wars
(57:43):
series that have come out. This one has a lot
of charm to it.
Speaker 2 (57:49):
Okay, I'll give it a try. That's a good recommendation.
I had turned away from it and not even considered
it because.
Speaker 6 (57:57):
You have an abrasive relationship with previous Star Wars I do.
Speaker 2 (58:01):
It's true. Yes, you got me, You got me on
that one, Nathan. All Right, Mine is a very deep cut.
So what yours lax in the deepness of its cut,
mine makes up for. I'm gonna recommend the show What
We Do in the Shadows, specifically the episode called On
(58:24):
the Run, where Mark Hamill plays a vampire pursuing our
hero las Low to the ends of the earth to
make him pay for a bad dealing that they once had.
And I won't say anymore because it'll spoil it. But
if you've ever seen what We Do in the Shadows
(58:47):
and you've never seen the episode on the Run, please
see it. And if you've never seen on if you've
never seen what we Do in the Shadows, check out
the episode on the Run because I think you'll love
it great. All right, Francis, it's your turn. Now you've
seen how it works.
Speaker 7 (59:06):
Yes, so this may not fit the bill, but I'm thinking,
will they won't they? In love? Not in love? I
have to go to mister and Missus Smith with Brad
Pitt and Angelia and jo Lee the ultimate you know,
yes there, we know they're going to get together, but
let's watch them fight first movie.
Speaker 2 (59:26):
Mm hm oh, that's a great one. That's a really
good one. Did it We all picked a different aspect
of it to cling to.
Speaker 6 (59:37):
That's that's the best way to do it. That's the
best way.
Speaker 2 (59:39):
That is the best way to do it. So, Francis,
where can people see you perform in your comedy stylings?
Speaker 7 (59:49):
Of course, at the Neighborhood Comedy Theater, which is get
this the only place I perform usually Saturday nights some
Fridays and also Savvi Fest coming up. We have our
musical catering company performing at Savifest. On the fourteenth.
Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Yes, you're part of an improv group called the Musical
Catering Company that is appearing at the very prestigious, very
high brow savvy fest happening. Well, by the time this
comes out, it'll be over. But it's good to know
that you have performed there and that it was a
winning performance.
Speaker 7 (01:00:29):
Yes, some said the best, you know, I.
Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
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Hello and welcome to the Most Excellent Eighties Movies Podcast.
It's the podcast where we travel through hyperspace to revisit
our favorite movies of the nineteen eighties to see how
they hold up through our modern eyes. And today we're
talking about The Empire Strikes Back, or rather I should
say Star Wars episode five, The Empire Strikes Back, about
(00:54):
which Google says the adventure continues. In this Star Wars sequel,
Skywalker played by Mark Hamill, Han Solo played by Harrison Ford,
and Princess Leah played by Kerrie Fisher and Chewbaca played
by Peter Mayhew face attack by the Imperial Forces, and
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it's at at or ad at Walkers on the ice
planet Hoth. While Han and Leah escape. In the Millennium Falcon,
Luke travels to Dagoba in search of Yoda. Only when
the Jedi Masters help will Luke survive. When the Dark
side of the Force beckons him to the ultimate duel
with Darth Vader played by David Prouse. And it doesn't
(01:36):
say this, but voiced, of course by James Earl Jones.
H And here comes the trailer.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Luke Skywalker and Hans Solo rescued the Princess destroy the
Death Star, but their story didn't end there. Now the
Creators are the biggest smash hit of all time, bringing
the next.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
Episode in the Star Wars Saga, The Empire Strikes Back,
continuing story of our band of heroes, Luke Skywalker, Princess Leah, Han.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Solo C three PO R two, D two, and Chewbacca,
and introducing Lando Calarision. It's an epic of romance of
(02:46):
heroes and villains. They cross trackless voice.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
It's Too Unknown Worlds, a galactic odyssey against oppression.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
A big new, sprawling space adventure. In the Star Wars Saga,
The Empire Strikes Back, Coming to your galaxy next summer.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
A big new, sprawling space adventure.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
The trailers for the first the first two movies are
so goofy, they're so.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Odd even the narrators like but but he sounds.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
Like it's Harrison Ford.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
It was Harrison Ford.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
Yeah, it's uh huh he's he's doing it, you know,
just a little tongue in cheek.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Oh, I didn't realize you. I'm not convinced that it is.
Speaker 6 (04:27):
Okay, I would put money on it.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Okay. Uh well, I'm Chrissy Lenz. One of the directors
at the Neighborhood Comedy Theater in downtown Mesa, Arizona, and
with me as always.
Speaker 6 (04:40):
Is Nathan Blackwell. I realize, you know what, I think
we should change the way we do introductions, okay, because
it always leads me into an awkward pause.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Okay, do you want me to just introduce you and
then you can just say hello, let's.
Speaker 6 (04:56):
Keep all this in. Yeah, we'll figure something out. But anyways, Yes,
Nathan Blackwell, independent filmmaker with Squishy Studios, my production company
that makes movies but not money.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah, movies but not buddy, that's the way we like it.
And joining us today is a comedian at the Neighborhood
Comedy Theater. He's a sketch writer and improviser. And we're
so happy to have Francis Zagarigo.
Speaker 7 (05:27):
That's me. Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
He's also a certified young person, Yes, a young person
who has never seen any of these movies before. We
watched it together last night. Well, we watched episode four
together a few weeks ago, just for fundies because he
had never seen it, and we watched Empire Strikes Back
(05:51):
together last night. So, Francis, what were some of your
first impressions of seeing episode four for the first time.
Speaker 7 (06:00):
I thought that it you know, of course I had
never seen it before, and it just stood up so well,
you know, it didn't seem I was amazed. It didn't
seem like hokey or anything to me. So I was
able to enjoy it even through the veil of time.
Speaker 6 (06:16):
Oh, the veil of time.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
The veil of time makes me.
Speaker 7 (06:21):
A little bit so attractive, you know. It was great.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
They are so attractive, It's true. And what are your
first impressions of Empire?
Speaker 7 (06:32):
Well, as we talked about last night, I was absolutely
happy that we were now in a cold climate, which
I strongly prefer. But and of course Yoda, I was
actually disappointed that he was not in the first one
that I saw. Yeah, so once he showed up, I
could relax, and you know, now I knew what was
going to happen.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
And yeah, so you were definitely aware of a lot
of these characters, and just like just through a culture,
like who everyone was, you weren't going in totally blind.
It's like, what is a Yoda? You know, like you
knew a Yoda? What a Yoda was?
Speaker 7 (07:10):
Yeah, in concept, I didn't know the species and I
still don't. We tried looking it up yesterday and there's
no information on that.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
Yeah. I think there's there's some islands that want to
keep off in the distance and never visit.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yeah, but I want to know, And so we just
keep calling him a Yoda. So that's why we call
baby Yoda baby Yoda, right, even though he's Grogu, he's
a Yoda.
Speaker 6 (07:34):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
So, well, it was like a human being named human.
We'll just assume that the species is Yoda. Uh huh,
and he's named after it. So we start with opening
crawl again. Oh well, let me ask you, Nathan what
obviously I'm just I'm making so many assumptions here. I'm
(07:55):
just assuming that this is a favorite movie of yours
and that you've seen it dozens of times. But that
may not be the case. Let me know, So this.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
Movie is a favorite of mine, I've seen it dozens
of times.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Oh good, So I was right.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
Yes, correct. Even though I'm upset that you assume all
these things, you are actually completely correct in your assumptions. Yeah,
it's interesting. So sorry just to kind of like go
backwards into the trailer, just how this empire is really
different than the first one, you know. Yeah, Star Wars
(08:31):
aka I New Hope aka Episode four, And you can
tell in the trailer they're trying to sell it like
the first movie, which is all this upbeat spectacle, like
you're going to end the movie jumping out of your
seat and cheering. You know. I think all of us
were too young to remember really the first one. Like
(08:56):
I technically saw the first one. I was in the
room when the first one was happening. How about that?
Because I was like like ten months old or like,
you know, basically a baby, an infant. I had to
be held to move places, you know, And so I
(09:19):
don't remember the first one, but I definitely remember the
era when there was only two Star Wars movies, you know.
I remember the Palpa Pole excitement of the night before
Return of the Jedi. So I was like six or
so at the time, and I remember like flipping through
the magazine like the sci fi magazines and seeing images
(09:42):
of like Jaba's Palace and just being like so like
excited about seeing a Star Wars movie. But I have
no memory of seeing the first ones for the first
time because I was so darn young. But I definitely
remember see being the first one again on VHS and
(10:05):
how big of a deal that was. So the first
one still had like a big impact on me. But yeah,
they're very different, you know. And and you know, I
was watching like a special feature with Ben Burt, the
sound designer, talking about how people were really kind of
disappointed with the second one because it was kind of
(10:25):
it was like the first one was like, yeah, go
get them. It was so much spectacle, and it was
really spectacle and world building, first characters, kind of second,
you know, third maybe, and and and this one is
more character, more adult you know, love story, and more
(10:48):
of a kind of like a murky to be continued,
you know.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
And now people are obsessed with it and say it's
it's the best one of the bunch, right.
Speaker 6 (11:01):
They now have a third one to kind of then, yeah,
I feel.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Three in a secondary And.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
But yeah, I think for people to really you know,
you you expectation and comparison really can uh you know,
shadow a movie watching experience, and I think it had
to have the third one for us to really appreciate
the second one, you know. But but yeah, I mean,
(11:33):
I mean we we had to have some sort of
conclusion to it, you know. But yeah, I definitely prefer
like the the more complexity, the more character, and honestly
more humor, but also the darkness and the dreaminess of
the second one more, you know.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah. I realized last night when I was watching with
Francis how many of my favorite quotes are from are
from Empire. Even though you forget like scruffy, lookin' nerve
heerder like scoundrel, I like the sound of that. You know,
no try, try not do or do not like luminous beings?
Are we All these great quotes are from this one,
(12:18):
But this one is not my favorite of the four, five,
and six. I remember watching them on VHS when I
was young. As my daughter Zoe said last night, I
have no memory of ever seeing them for the first time.
They were always just familiar old hats to me, and
(12:39):
so my strongest memory is of seeing them in the
nineties re releases when they put them back out in
theaters and added all this digital nonsense.
Speaker 6 (12:52):
Yeah, so the only versions of the movies that we
can pretty much find these days are the special editions.
So basically, in the nineties, Lucas went back and added
in some things that he was kind of peeved or
bugged by. It turns out we were also peeg peeved
and bugged as well. Yeah, by the things he added.
(13:16):
An Empire is very light. There's just only a couple
of little things that were changed.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
But if more like establishing shots of like cloud City
and stuff where.
Speaker 6 (13:26):
Yeah, yeah, they added in the actually because they they
added in the actual actor who plays the emperor into
the second one, because at that point they hadn't cast
him yet. In the third one, they had basically just
cast some day player to play him, and so they
actually casted him in. Oh my god, I'm totally spacing
(13:50):
on his name, Ian yell at the podcast listeners, the
actor Chrissy, you were supposed to save me at that point,
I'm looking it up. Oh my god. Ian McDermott obviously
hold on, we'll just insert this and then, of course
(14:11):
Ian McDermott, Yes, okay, my fan card has just been revoked,
and so no, I'm very sad. Yeah, so he's fantastic,
but he wasn't cast till the third one, so they
plugged him into the second one, and then just a
bunch of other changes. But compared to what they changed
(14:32):
in the first and third one, this was pretty light. Yeah,
but yeah, that was fun to see them on the
big screen.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Again, what do you think, Francis you? After seeing it
on you know, our living room TV screen, do you
wish you had had a big screen experience for these movies?
Speaker 7 (14:56):
You mean, like at the theater?
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yeah, Like would you if if I was like if
I called you up and was like, oh, it's playing
on the big screen, let's go see it on the
big screen, would you be like yeah, yeah, would you
be like, no, no, I've experienced no.
Speaker 7 (15:12):
Yeah, to quote the movie, No, I would have gone.
But you know, here's something about me. I suspend my disbelief,
So it doesn't matter if I'm looking at a twelve
inch TV or the silver screen, like I'm there, I'm
like locked in tunnel vision.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
M M.
Speaker 7 (15:27):
So I feel like I got as good an experience
as I could have.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Good, good, good. So we started with the opening crawl,
blah blah, blah, it's a dark time. The Empires at
the opening crawl relentlessly. Uh. They have a new secret
base on Hoth, but there's a star destroyer that's sending
out probes, probes, probes, probes, probes everywhere. And my thought is, like,
you're sending like three probes to check an entire planet, Like,
(15:56):
how is that time efficient?
Speaker 6 (16:00):
Well, we don't know really how many probes they sent.
I mean, it's it's a little harsh to judge them
on how many we saw just in that sequence.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Oh so you think they were spitting out probes? Yeah,
less right.
Speaker 6 (16:13):
They said they've sent down thousands of probes. Okay, maybe
they said a thousand probes, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeahte their probe budget is through the roof.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
They're probe I mean, they're the Empire. I mean, so
much bureaucracy, so much.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Money, probe wires a their contract employees.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
I I really like Hath as a location. You know,
it's so did Francis Francis continue Hath?
Speaker 7 (16:49):
I mean, you know it's visually a desert. Fine. As
soon as I saw that ice planet, I was like, okay,
I can get into this. There's one thing I love
ice snow visible breath like hathhead.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
At all, including you were very upset about the death
of two Tontons.
Speaker 7 (17:08):
Yeah, I mean, honestly, that was so out of tone
for what I was prepared for.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Uh huh.
Speaker 7 (17:15):
It really was. Like it reminded me when my dad
took me hunting. I was not loving it.
Speaker 6 (17:19):
They kind of go hard in a couple of points
in this movie, like cutting the belly open of the Tontan,
cutting Luke's hand off. Yeah, you know, like they weren't
just making what we think of like as a Disney movie.
They were going for the spectacle in it. Sometimes it
meant kind of going, you know, a little into horror.
(17:45):
You know, not that the you know, not that the
Tonton thing was supposed to elicit horror. It was supposed
to be kind of like I think they were. They
were kind of repeating maybe something that been in like
either like Old West stories or it's like, oh, the buffalo,
you know, we got to cut open the buffalo because
we're all freezing and yeah, but yeah, that was that
(18:08):
was pretty intense. And there's a lot to.
Speaker 7 (18:11):
Make fun of it too. They like made fun of
the animal that just saved them.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
Yeah, I thought it smelled bad on the outside. I
think that was them just trying to soften the horror
of the moment, you know. But yeah, there's one of
the interesting things of rewatching this film is I still
like movies. You see, as a young kid, you've kind
of imprinted in stone your reaction to them, and it's
(18:40):
interesting to revisit that and to remember your reaction, but
also now look at it as an adult after many years,
you know, right, And there's there's a lot of these
moments that kind of like pop out, like why did
he say that? Why did that happen? Why is his
seat first? You know, just like weird things like that,
(19:03):
Like I remember that. It's like why is Han yelling
at the deck officer and being so mean to him?
They all want to find Luke. Yeah, well I get
it now.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Like one of those moments that got me though, was
when he's dying in the snow. He just escaped the wampa.
He's like literally dying in the snow, and uh, that's
the moment that Obi Wan chooses to pop up and
be like, oh, bt dubs, right, I've got homework for you.
Speaker 6 (19:33):
There's one unread message go to Dagobah Yoda, I got
no advice for you right now, Pal. Yeah, and then
it should be like I'm freezing, You'll be fine.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
You'll be fine. Any Danny is fine. He turns out fine,
but he's like, so what do we know, Yoda Ben,
It's like, oh my god, you just made him crazy
in addition to freezing to dev it's like such an
odd moment.
Speaker 6 (20:09):
So one interesting fun fact. For all the time, it's
like not all the shots in Hath, but all the
time we see the main characters, you know, uh on
Hath in the snow when it's not like a big
wide shot, you know, it's like close ups of him,
you know, in the Tontons and things like that. If
(20:29):
you turn the camera completely around, you would see that
the crew is is right in front of the hotel,
like they're basically like there's shots that they filmed that
they were in the doorway of the hotel shooting like
Luke in the snow. That's how cold the location is.
But that's also like the like the magic of like locations,
(20:52):
Like literally they were there. It was a snowed over
area like parking lot, you know, of the of a
hotel to where it is just twenty feet away from
from Mark Hamill.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
So they had a real life blizzard and they just
took advantage of it.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
Yeah yeah, and they just like we're you know, everyone
else was like in hot it's like, you know, drinking
hot cocoa in the doorway of the hotel as everyone
was like struggling in the snow.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Oh that was real snow, Francis. Could you feel it
on screen?
Speaker 7 (21:28):
Even happier? But now I'm wondering if, like the manager
of the Marriotte small Bard was like, I did not sign.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Up for this.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Close the door, you're letting the snow in. And they're like, no,
we're making movie magic. Uh. So Han and Leah are
having their like sexy will there won't they? Back and forth,
They're going down hallways, They're yelling at each other. He's like,
(22:01):
I'm good. It must be pretty close to the mark
to get such a reaction out of her hocket and
then she smooches Luke. Oh my god, I don't want
to spoil anything for future viewing for you, Francis, But
that's not okay. And they have this whole like moonlighting
(22:23):
will they or won't they? Moment did that sort of
until the very end where she finally says I love
you and he says I know. That iconic moment. Francis,
how did that work for you? You roll your eyes. The
audience can't say.
Speaker 7 (22:37):
That's if he wanted to, he would. It's like I said,
if you said I love you and someone said I know,
I'm like, I'm out like this, I'm not doing this,
like we're being attacked by the empire. You can't even
just commit to me, like no.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
You're about to be frozen in carbonite.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
Right, although you know they don't know that, but still,
like no, I was that was very luke lukewarm.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I don't know, man, it might just be conditioning and
the fact that I have a on and Leah tattoo
of the I love you I know moment. But they're
romance to me just crackles and I root for them
so hard. I I love, I love They're they're bad relationship.
(23:28):
It's not a good relationship.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
It's not a good romance, but it works for me.
What do you do? You have feelings about it?
Speaker 6 (23:37):
Nathan, Yeah, I yeah, I I do. I am surprised
at how much it kind of crackles or at least
how much of a fight there romance is? You know,
it really is a Yeah, it really is a you know,
like a Howard Hawks style his girl Friday, Like you know,
(24:03):
they are enemies, but they are secretly you know, in
love and they just can't help but express their kind
of like school yard feelings by being mean to each other.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yeah, they're like enemies to lovers.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
They just aren't very good at romance and so it
becomes a fight.
Speaker 7 (24:26):
Is there another woman in this entire movie? I'm trying to.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Remember, Well, we see some, but we don't talk to them.
Speaker 7 (24:34):
Okay, because I'm thinking he should be more.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Excited, you know that there's that there's a hot lady
around right.
Speaker 7 (24:40):
Like the she's the only one on hap and Oh
you're good. You're gonna play hard to.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Get mm hmm yeah mmmm. He's gonna be a scruffy
looking nerve hurder and she's gonna get pissed at him
all the time.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
She's the leader of the resistance. We see a moment
of her like rallying the troops before they escape from
hop and it's like, how do you not respond to
that power and confidence and just say, oh, I love you?
Princess Leiah. I know I'm a scoundrel, but love me
in return. But no, Well does rescue her on the
(25:13):
falcon though.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
I think the problem is is that he feels that
he just can't express that, you know, I think he
is a hot like at the start. I feel like
at the start of this movie, they are one hundred
percent both into each other. No one's being convinced. It's
about dropping their act, you know, dropping their armor.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Being vulnerable, be vulnerable in space.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
Yeah, And so he's trying to provoke her when he's
first leaving, just to admit it beca and he's being
childish because he also can't be an adult about it,
you know, he can't be honest about it in front
of her.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
They're trying so hard just to serve in space. They
have no emotional intelligence. They have to use their whole
brain to just evade the empire and fight for justice
to be to be fair.
Speaker 6 (26:12):
They are going through a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
They are there's a lot on her plate right.
Speaker 7 (26:16):
Now, going through one thing.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
Uh huh. It just yeah, it just keeps going.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
As the one guy says, having a price on your
head is no easy thing. So he's got it. He's
got to go pay back Jaba. But they end up
escaping together and they fly through an asteroid. Well, I'm
skipping all the action on HAF. What did you think
of the action on HAFF? Was it fun? Yeah? Okay?
(26:43):
All right? Uh so they land on an asteroid field?
Speaker 6 (26:49):
Uh huh. But I guess to revisit the idea of
stuff you are, you know, at a certain age, no
matter what you see, it's like, oh that makes sense
to me, right great, and you don't question it. Like
the ad ads are the most ridiculous assault weapons, but
they are so they are cool and as a young person,
(27:10):
you just see them and you okay that they are
telling me that that is fact. I accept fact, you know,
And now you look at some of these there's a
number of things in this movie where they go for
this exaggerated spectacle. That's if a new Star Wars movie
came out and did that, this is where all the
(27:31):
fans get in uproar. But Star Wars has always done
kind of these goofy, wacky things, you know, like the
like the space like this this that, like they're in
the throat of a space monster inside an asteroid for
a couple hours.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
You know, Yeah, they're in there for a while. You
should be going.
Speaker 6 (27:56):
Right, uh, you know, and then the ad and then
there's just a number of things, you know, like I've
rewatching it. Like the most incredulous moment to me is
where Han evades the Star Destroyer by going off of
their scope. And so it does one assume that he
(28:18):
went from full power to like complete stop and then
like a magnetically attaching himself to the ship in just
that one moment. Like if we saw it, we it
wouldn't be believable, but by everyone accepting that it happened,
it makes it plausible, you know, yeah, because.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
They're literally like, we got to get the millennium falcon.
It is there, it is again. Uh it's gone.
Speaker 6 (28:49):
Uh huh.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Oops. What did you think of the millennium falcon? Because
that's like an icon for people who are obsessed with
Star Wars and they you know, Dorian at Star Wars
Land in Disneyland, which we recently visited Francis together, when
he saw this big millennium falcon that you could like
(29:11):
go inside and drive, he wept tears of nerd joy.
How did it affect you to like spend all this
time on the Millennium Falcon, were you impressed with it
or were you just like, oh, that's that thing I
was in.
Speaker 7 (29:27):
I thought it was very cool, but also functionally, I
think this thing has been in the shop more than
it's been in the air. Yeah, so I don't know
if they need like a new mechanic or was every
time they need a feature from this vehicle, it's like, whoops, Nope.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
It don't work.
Speaker 7 (29:45):
That doesn't help me to I could splice some wires together.
So yeah, it's like it's cool, but when you need it.
Speaker 6 (29:52):
So so it's like one of those cars to where
you're now. You may have paid off the car, but
now it's in the shop so much that maybe you
should just get a new car.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
For it's like I for the from the first one,
like the Millennium Falcon, is was cool and it was like,
you know, especially during that time in sci fi, the
first time you really got to see something like a
like a personal starship. You know, before it was like
like Star Trek, it's like, oh, yeah, we've got hundreds
(30:25):
of people and it's ambiguous, but like Millennium Falcon, you
practically got to see every room, you know, except apparently
like the Cape Room, which you've if you've seen Solo,
there's a Cape room. But uh, with for me, Empire
was when I really fell in love with the Millennium
(30:47):
Falcon because it's breaking down so much like to me
just that I don't know. I love the character of
a spaceship that keeps breaking down and it has starts
to have like a personality, and you're like hitting it
and kicking it. Why won't this stupid thing work? Like
to me that that just became more fun. The reoccurring
(31:10):
joke that the hyper drive would never work.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
Yeah, the hyper drive never works. And at the end
R two D two is like, well, uh you guys,
they they turn they're like never listening to C three
PO and R two D two.
Speaker 6 (31:21):
Yeah they literally flipped a switch.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Yeah yeah, but C three PO is like the hyper
drives not working. And then the end R two is
like the hyper drives not working, beepop boop, and it's like,
we'll turn it back on. Okay, zip zip I turned
it back on. The Oh let's get out of here.
Oh oh, there they ship, there they go, there they go.
(31:48):
I love that Darth Vader like hires all these bounty
hunters to bring him, uh the Millennium the Millennium Falcon,
when it's like, aren't you really after Luke? Like okay,
but he hires all these bounty hunters and that's the
scene where it's like there it is, it's right there,
(32:08):
give me my money. That's when we see Boba fet
following it on his ship, the slave one out of
their little ruse with the trash.
Speaker 6 (32:21):
Can you know what I think is one of those
things that we maybe don't understand as kids but maybe
appreciate as adults. Is I bet with like all the
probes and hiring the bounty hunters and just sparing no
expense to find them. I bet they were nearing the
end of a fiscal period and they had to spend
(32:44):
a certain amount of money, you know, because then they
wouldn't get that money again when they make the new budget.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
And they save so much money by murdering their admirals
every time, there you go, every admiral gets murdered, and
then it's like you're the admiral now, and they're like,
I really don't want this promotion, please don't. I don't
want to get forest choked by you. Let's talk about Yoda.
(33:15):
How cute is Yoda? At first when we meet him,
he's like just a little imp. That's like eating his
candy bars and tearing apart his base camp and stealing
his flashlight and fighting with R two D two and
being very silly. A silly little puppet really would seem
(33:37):
to take you out of these moments. But then all
of a sudden he goes serious and I cannot teach him.
No patience has this boy. And then all of a
sudden he's this serious Jedi master, and it's like Yoda,
you seek Yoda. Ah, yeah, that'll take me to Yoda.
Oh I'm Yoda, you dumb, dumb. I can't teach him.
(33:58):
He doesn't get that I'm Yoda. Uh. What were your
impressions of Yoda? Francis? And I know you were waiting
for him and expecting him, so I was like, when
you finally met.
Speaker 7 (34:09):
Him, hot take, he's not that cute. Oh no, I
mean baby Yoda adorable, but old Yoda, Like you know,
he's wise and that's enough. He doesn't have to be cute.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
Right, he doesn't. He doesn't have to try anymore, honestly, Like,
I mean, yeah, he's more attractive than Et for sure.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Oh oh, by leaps and bounds. You can't even compare
the two, like Et is a monster.
Speaker 6 (34:41):
But yeah, I think it's fair to say that Yoda
is past his silver fox years. Yeah, and now he
is a respectable elder.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Yeah. But here we here, we are in this uh
serious movie and there's a freaking puppet.
Speaker 6 (35:01):
Mm hmmm, yes, I love.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Him, Francis.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
How so the fact that when how did the fact
that one of our main characters was a puppet or
a not technically a muppet, Well, muppets are basically like
specifically just for the Muppet stuff, you know, I think,
(35:30):
I mean, I I don't know how the I mean
it was made by Jim Henson's company, yeahpets, yeahs. Yeah,
but so as how did a puppet for one of
our main characters work for you?
Speaker 7 (35:46):
You know, the gift of the suspension of disbelief is
I didn't see puppet, you know, And that is also
you know, a not to movie magic that there's a
hand in there and we don't know.
Speaker 6 (36:00):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 7 (36:01):
I mean, if if it's right in it looks even
though it's old, it still looked pretty good.
Speaker 6 (36:06):
Mm hmm. Yeah, it it ectical. It really holds up.
And I and honestly, I feel like not only the performance,
but just how it is presented and how it's lit.
You know, how it shot is a huge part of
it too. Like they also did the puppet. They made
(36:29):
a cast of the same puppet in the Last Jedi
and there and it, and for some reason, I felt
like the lighting didn't work as much for that one,
Like he came off as really green in the Last Jedi,
and it's a much softer, faded light on him in
(36:51):
this one. It Yeah, yeah, exactly, but yeah, I feel
like it really holds up. Even though you know it's
a puppet, it's still like but you also know that
you're watching actors when you're watching the Humans.
Speaker 7 (37:14):
You know, he looked better than you guys mentioned the
the effects being added to know for like special releases
or you know that stuff looks like it didn't fit
you know, yeah, comparatively, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (37:30):
It was kind of shiny, you know.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Yeah, It's like it's like the Uncanny Valley. It just
is a little too has a little bit too much
shine on it, too perfect, Yeah, a little too perfect.
And Yoda is our little imperfect imp who is making
Luke do Yoda and telling him he's not passive enough
(37:55):
passive you must be let the Force flow through you.
And it's like, Okay, I'm not sure this is the
best advice. Like I'm not loving this advice.
Speaker 6 (38:05):
I remember when he says adventure, excitement, a Jedi craves,
not these things, and me as a kid going, what
the fuck? Yeah, no, kid, what are you telling me?
I don't know if I sign up for that, but
as an adult, I totally get it. Like, I totally
get it. You're not supposed to be full of sugar
and adrenaline and wanting to cut people in half. That's
(38:28):
kind of not the technically the whole Force and Jedi thing.
It's more of a spirituality.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Yeah. Well, but the whole, the whole shebang is that
Luke is our only like remaining link to the Jedi.
He's the only one left who can wield the Force
and somehow bring the Empire down and put the galaxy
back in balance. So when Vader and the Emperor have
(38:57):
a talk about him, they're life, if he could be turned,
he would be a powerful ally. Yes, we'll turn him,
or he'll die. And then when Yoda and Obi Wan
have a talk about him. They're like, well, this kid sucks.
He's way too grumpy and angry and whiny, which he is,
(39:22):
but they're like, he's our only hope. And they finally
reveal in a moment that's very understated, No, there is
another what what do you mean there's another? What's this
understated moment that we're having here? Who's the other?
Speaker 6 (39:41):
You know?
Speaker 2 (39:43):
And I don't feel like they put enough sauce on that. Well,
I'm not gonna tell you. You have to find out
on your own. You have to watch the movie.
Speaker 7 (39:50):
How did I miss that?
Speaker 2 (39:53):
That's what I mean? You miss it? They it's just
like whoop, you pass right by it. But they're like, okay,
because he's rewhiney. He's just like, I can't do it, Yoda.
It's too heavy, Yoda, it's too hard, Yoda. I don't
like your tiny house, Yoda.
Speaker 6 (40:13):
Please, where's the bathroom?
Speaker 2 (40:17):
A swamp? This is bathroom is everywhere?
Speaker 3 (40:23):
You know?
Speaker 6 (40:24):
Again, it's like looking returning as an adult, I kind
of have and then also now having seen ninety more
Star Wars movies, I have a slightly different take on No,
he's our only hope. We've got you know, he's he's
got to be the one that saves us all. You know.
(40:45):
It's like before I assumed that Luke was literally the
only one now who had who's on the good side,
who had the Force, and now with like all the
expanded universe of other movies and things like that, I
find that to be preposterous. You know, there's other Jedis
(41:05):
hiding or maybe just forced sensitive people like you know,
having an ability with the force is a natural thing,
a very rare thing, but it's not something that just
a bloodline has. You know. Now they're very powerful because
of that. But I now of it because I mean,
(41:26):
the movie doesn't say any of the stuff, so it's
just your head canon of what you feel is the
explanation to these things. You know. The not only is
Luke very powerful and he has great potential and he
can become the hero that they're looking for, but he
also has an emotional connection with Darth Vader, and really
(41:49):
the bad guy to overcome is Darth Vader, and they
know he's his son, and they have some hope that
either Luke can be powerful and defeat him, or Luke
can get through and hopefully change Darth Vader.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
You know.
Speaker 6 (42:08):
So, I think that it very much has to do
with the relationship of Luke and his dad. That why
they're putting so much hope on him.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
It all comes down to relationships. You got to be
vulnerable in space. That's what we're learning. We need some
We need Brene Brown for the Star Wars universe. What
did you think of the Cloud City, Francis? Did you
think it was like a hip happening place that you
wanted to visit? And the introduction of Lando is like
(42:43):
our first space person of color.
Speaker 7 (42:46):
Yes, well I was gonna say it was no has,
but you're right. And if I'm counting capes, I think
he was the only one who wore one. So this
is like the Milan of the universe. Right, it's all
about fashion.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
Yes, yes, it's all about fashion and a man and
a cape.
Speaker 7 (43:04):
It seems to be the only place we've been introduced
to that is like trying to be a city, right,
wants people to come?
Speaker 6 (43:10):
Yeah, yeah, kind of like a struggling business planet. You know,
it's like struggling non union planet.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Yeah. So we go visit Lando in Cloud City and
it's like do we trust him? We don't trust him?
We trust him. We don't trust him. He's a scoundrel too.
He's a but of course it's a double cross. Darth
Vader and Boba Fett are there. But I love the
moment where they're like, Okay, we're gonna set this up,
(43:39):
like really, it's gonna be really fun. I'm gonna be
at the head of the dinner table. You open the door,
Boba Fett, you stay hidden until the right moment.
Speaker 6 (43:52):
It's gonna be so good.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
It's gonna be so good. We're gonna get him. And
then they open the door and of course Darth Vader
is just sitting there waiting for and he stands up
and they're like, oh no.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
Us.
Speaker 6 (44:05):
He's like I imagine the moment before he's just like
moving things around on the table. It's like, yeah, well,
I don't know, maybe for dinner we'll do this or
But I also love that that there's like an internet
meme or whatever, like be like han like, as soon
as that door opens and he sees Darth Vader's there,
(44:25):
he just starts blasting. He just starts shotting at him
in the face.
Speaker 7 (44:29):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
And of course he gets his blasters sucked away, but
he gets like he gets like three or four good
shots in uh huh, Darth Vader just absorbs into his hand.
But it's like, yeah, make him work for it, don't
give it up so easy.
Speaker 6 (44:44):
I really like Cloud City, I mean because it's ambiguous.
You know, it's like it's it's off the radar. It's
a little shady, but it's beautiful. And so there's like
a much more complex, you know, adult situation that they're in.
(45:09):
Maybe adult is the is the wrong way, but it's
more complex than like, oh, we're on on ice planet.
We are on you know, low life town. You know,
it's it's kind of a little off the radar. You know,
no one wants to be noticed on this planet. But
yet it's got this beautiful presentation. But behind all this,
(45:32):
like this the beautiful architecture, the door opens up and
it's it is a really greasy, mechanical place.
Speaker 3 (45:41):
You know.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
Yeah, they got that really nice dining room, but they've
also got that chop shop in the back.
Speaker 6 (45:47):
Yeah. That's literally a doorway.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
You know, Yeah, one door, one door to the north.
So if you get lost, you're really in trouble. As
C three po learned to his detriment, boy, he's a
planer two.
Speaker 6 (46:00):
Gosh, you know what, I was always sensitive about how
humans treat droids, But now that I'm I'm having to
deal with so many like AI chatbots from websites that
I have to visit, I kind of get it now,
you know.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
Yeah, sometimes you just want to switch that bad boy off. Also,
see three PO is like being rescued by Chewbacca. Chewbacco's
the one who discovers him. Chewbacca is the one who
finds all his pieces and carries him out, and he
just keeps calling him a big hairy beast. Yeah, it's
like chill chilli down a little three p o. My god,
(46:40):
he's literally rescuing you. I always so I have this
little backpack that's like a Chewbacca that rides on your shoulders,
which which which doesn't make any sense. At no point
does Chewbacca ride on anyone's shoulders.
Speaker 6 (46:57):
Whose shoulders could he ride on?
Speaker 2 (47:00):
No, no one's That's why it makes no sense. I
love this fact because it makes me feel like a giant.
But I always thought it would make more sense to
have one that was like c three PO and pieces.
Speaker 6 (47:12):
Yes, yeah, absolutely, with like the netting and everything.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
Yeah, and there is a Yoda one, so you can
ride with Yoda on your back and he can make
you do yoga Yoda.
Speaker 7 (47:23):
Yoga, Yeah, big dumb human.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
Yeah exactly, and telling you you're not trying hard enough
to be passive. Try harder. No, don't try, there is
no try, but be passive, and oh my god.
Speaker 6 (47:38):
You'll be more afraid. Oh no, oh no.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
So Darth Vader shows up, all hell breaks loose. Luke
shows up because he left, and both Obi Wan and
Yoda were like, don't go save your friends. Their sacrifice
will need more than you going to rescue them. And
he's just like, I don't think that's the way I'm
gonna do this. And they're like, yeah, they'll die if
(48:06):
you don't rescue them, but don't go. Just I'm gonna go.
And you think you should have stayed.
Speaker 7 (48:18):
If you get into an IVY League program, you need
to finish your program, you know what I mean? Like,
no one gets this opportunity.
Speaker 6 (48:29):
It's true, I don't know. So what what would have happened? Okay,
so what would have happened if he had not gone? Uh?
Lando would have still done what he done, right, you know,
(48:50):
flip to help them and honestly like it would have
all kind of gone down the same except for Darth Vader,
like Darth Vader as soon as Darth Vader was occupied, right, Yeah,
but it kind of felt like he would have left anyway,
you know.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
Yeah, m hmmm. He'd have been like, this is for
underlings to deal with.
Speaker 6 (49:15):
Mm hmm. So what are say? It's hard to say.
It's hard to say, but I mean Darth Vader would
have still been there because he's waiting for Luke mm hmm.
Speaker 7 (49:30):
Would have looked Luke wouldn't wasn't even gonna show up.
He would have looked like foolish.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
Yeah, it would have had to choke someone, he would
have and it might have been Lando that would have Yeah,
that would have sucked. So we have this whole epic
battle where Lando is finally well. Han Solo gets frozen
in the carbonit I love you, I know. He gets
(49:56):
taken by Boba Fat. They're trying to rescue him, they
can't rescue him. They're trying to escape, they can't escape.
What are they going to do? Thank god, Lando can
drive the Millennium Falcon because it used to be his ship.
So they're all gonna escape on the Millennium Falcon. Meanwhile,
Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader are having their epic battle
(50:20):
clash clash clash and I'll never join you, join the
dark side. I'll never join you Clash clash clash class.
He told me enough, he told me you killed my father. No,
I am your father. What that's impossible? Uh? And then
he slides down a slide and comes out at the
(50:42):
bottom of the planet and luckily uses the forest to First,
he's trying to call obi Wan and it's like obi
Wan is a ghost, bro, what are they going to
do to stay?
Speaker 6 (50:55):
It's like calling for his mommy.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
Yeah, So then he calls for Lea and then she's like,
let's go get Luke. And then they rescue him, and
Darth Vader still has brain power to say join me.
It's your destiny and Luke is just still whining, Ben,
why didn't you tell me? But the Falcon gets away
(51:20):
thanks to AR two D two. Luke makes a new
hand and they all stand by a window in a
Rebel starship as Lando takes off with the Falcon to
go try and rescue Han and that's our cliffhanger ending
to the Empire strikes back What did you think of
the end, Francis.
Speaker 7 (51:41):
I think it leaves one very large question to be answered,
which is his hand gets cut off right while holding
the lightsaber. M that's gonna lay him somewhere. You know,
someone's gonna get that weapon or be traumatized by the hand.
I want to see that story.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
Yeah, where does the lightsaber end up?
Speaker 7 (52:06):
Yeah? Also, he when he gets his new he gets
his new like robot hand or droid hand or whatever.
So I was expecting because everyone knows, like, okay, his
hand gets cut off, but it's like there's no stakes
because I got a new hand, y'all.
Speaker 6 (52:24):
Well now he's now he's got to buy hand oil
like every every month.
Speaker 7 (52:31):
Yeah, I hadn't thought of that.
Speaker 2 (52:32):
Yeah, it's true. But yeah, it doesn't seem like a
big deal to get your body parts cut off because
you could just build mechanical ones in this world and it.
Speaker 7 (52:41):
Looks the same. It's not even like a hook or
like a kitchen dough mixer attachment. It's just like a hand.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
Yeah, it was a very little consequence to getting your
hand chopped off. The bigger deal is that he lost
his light saber. Yeah, that someone's some poor kid on
Jaku is gonna find all right, So that's Empire strikes
back on a scale of one new spanking new mechanical
(53:10):
hand to ten spank mechanical hands or.
Speaker 6 (53:15):
Should it be a mechanical hand with one finger or
a mechanical hand with ten fingers.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
Two or two mechanical hand with ten fingers. Yes, that
would be a pretty messed up thing to look at.
That's like a I drew it.
Speaker 7 (53:29):
I'd lest track at a scale.
Speaker 2 (53:31):
Let's start with Francis one to ten.
Speaker 7 (53:37):
In general or just in comparison to the other movie
I've seen.
Speaker 2 (53:43):
General, Yeah, Okay, one to ten.
Speaker 7 (53:47):
I would say that it's a seven.
Speaker 2 (53:54):
Okay, what do you think, Nathan.
Speaker 6 (53:56):
I think that's the lowest he could go. And I
would still like Francis. Okay, So we're okay, we're okay. Yeah,
Well so this is this is not fair because I
saw it was a pivotal seminole movie for me as
a young person, so I'm not judging it as objectively.
(54:21):
I mean, for me, it's got to be a ten.
Even though I've got issues with it, it's for me
the best. For me, it's my favorite Star Wars film
and Star Wars basically made me along with like Indiana
Jones maybe love movies, right, and I love movies so
much that I'm a filmmaker, so it's it's pretty significant
(54:45):
for me. So yeah, I can't help if I can't.
If I don't give it a ten, then I'm also
kicked out of the club.
Speaker 2 (54:53):
So yeah, I totally agree with that. I too have
to give it a ten because I I love watching
this movie. I've seen it countless, countless times, but I
still adore watching it and I have fun watching it
with so much so that I'm like, Francis, we gotta
(55:15):
watch this. We got to watch the Empire. Uh, You're
gonna love it. And I have to bring new people
in to watch it and experience it and enjoy it.
So how do you not give a movie like that
a ten? You know, like like Back to the Future,
like you know, any of like Bill and Ted, like
(55:37):
any of these movies that I've just seen, Princess Bride
over and over. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So that was an
unfair scale for you to participate in, Francis.
Speaker 7 (55:49):
What was unfair is that I had to go first.
Speaker 2 (55:52):
Yes, right, That's why I made you go.
Speaker 6 (55:56):
You got to express yourself more naturally.
Speaker 2 (55:59):
So yeah, uh so what about a deep cut recommendation,
something that you think if people like this, they would
also like blank. I won't make you go first this time, Francis.
I'll let you get a little bit of an idea
how it works. I'll make Nathan go first this time.
Speaker 6 (56:16):
Okay. So, so mine is not very deep, but it's
it's it's a because it's a Star Wars thing, Okay,
one that I hope gets a little more word of
mouth because it is fun. And that's that's their new series,
the Skeleton Crew.
Speaker 2 (56:37):
Oh is it good? It's good, you like it.
Speaker 6 (56:39):
It's a lot of fun. It is goonies meet Star Wars.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 6 (56:46):
And so it it has a lot of fun. And
so it is to the thing that hooked me was
that I found out that the people who have done
all the Spider Man Homecoming movies did this.
Speaker 2 (56:58):
Oh I love them.
Speaker 6 (56:59):
Yes, So like John Watts and his writer friend, they
did the whole They wrote the whole thing. I think
John Wattstrek's one or two episodes, and then Bryce Dallas
Howard directs an episode like it's You've got a lot
of really top people who work on this and you
(57:20):
know it's not perfect, but it is like an ambulance
Star Wars movie or a Star Wars series, and Jude
Law is great in it. Like so it's a lot
of fun for me. It just all worked, And yeah,
I recommend it. It's for some people who have maybe
had an abrasive relationship with some of the Star Wars
(57:43):
series that have come out. This one has a lot
of charm to it.
Speaker 2 (57:49):
Okay, I'll give it a try. That's a good recommendation.
I had turned away from it and not even considered
it because.
Speaker 6 (57:57):
You have an abrasive relationship with previous Star Wars I do.
Speaker 2 (58:01):
It's true. Yes, you got me, You got me on
that one, Nathan. All Right, Mine is a very deep cut.
So what yours lax in the deepness of its cut,
mine makes up for. I'm gonna recommend the show What
We Do in the Shadows, specifically the episode called On
(58:24):
the Run, where Mark Hamill plays a vampire pursuing our
hero las Low to the ends of the earth to
make him pay for a bad dealing that they once had.
And I won't say anymore because it'll spoil it. But
if you've ever seen what We Do in the Shadows
(58:47):
and you've never seen the episode on the Run, please
see it. And if you've never seen on if you've
never seen what we Do in the Shadows, check out
the episode on the Run because I think you'll love
it great. All right, Francis, it's your turn. Now you've
seen how it works.
Speaker 7 (59:06):
Yes, so this may not fit the bill, but I'm thinking,
will they won't they? In love? Not in love? I
have to go to mister and Missus Smith with Brad
Pitt and Angelia and jo Lee the ultimate you know,
yes there, we know they're going to get together, but
let's watch them fight first movie.
Speaker 2 (59:26):
Mm hm oh, that's a great one. That's a really
good one. Did it We all picked a different aspect
of it to cling to.
Speaker 6 (59:37):
That's that's the best way to do it. That's the
best way.
Speaker 2 (59:39):
That is the best way to do it. So, Francis,
where can people see you perform in your comedy stylings?
Speaker 7 (59:49):
Of course, at the Neighborhood Comedy Theater, which is get
this the only place I perform usually Saturday nights some
Fridays and also Savvi Fest coming up. We have our
musical catering company performing at Savifest. On the fourteenth.
Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Yes, you're part of an improv group called the Musical
Catering Company that is appearing at the very prestigious, very
high brow savvy fest happening. Well, by the time this
comes out, it'll be over. But it's good to know
that you have performed there and that it was a
winning performance.
Speaker 7 (01:00:29):
Yes, some said the best, you know, I.
Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Said the best. Yes, And Nathan, where can people support
your filmmaking endeavors?
Speaker 6 (01:00:39):
Okay, so squishy Studios is always the easiest way to
get to like all the links. But if you're interested
in seeing our movie, the Last movie ever made, and
you've been holding out because you've got to rent it
or buy it, it is now available on to b
to be on to be. We do technically get AD
(01:01:03):
revenue from it, so some of that does in theory.
I haven't seen any of the reports. It's only been
out for two weeks on two B, but you can
still support us by watching it for free. But you
have to watch ads too. So the Last movie Ever
Made is now on to be.
Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Excellent. I love that And if you want to hear
more of me, listen to Gank That Drink, a supernatural
drinking game. Podcast also on true story FM. And hey,
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