Jason McCourty: The Super Bowl LIII Play, From DB to morning TV, Fooling Belichick

In this episode of the NFL Players: Second Acts podcast, hosts Peanut and Roman talk with cornerback turned analyst, Jason McCourty. Jason shares what it was like growing up with a twin, winning the Super Bowl alongside his brother Devin, his transition from football to broadcast, and the importance of his family. He also hints at some future twin shenanigans. In fact, we aren’t even sure we were talking to Jason.

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3:04 - Jason talks about competing with his brother

5:06 - Jason share his “Welcome to the NFL” moment

8:11 - How he got on the radar of the Tennessee Titans

10:36 - His time in 2017 on 0-16 Cleveland Browns team 

12:52 - Joining the Patriots with his brother

17:10 - Defensive play in 2018 Super Bowl game

20:39 - Spending time with family after being apart

23:40 - Jason on knowing when it was time to retire

30:22 - NFL's Broadcast Bootcamp

34:32 - Good Morning Football

38:16 - Why he wants his legacy to be beyond the NFL

46:49 - Jason shares who is on his personal Mount Rushmore

50:04 - Jason talks about his sneaker collection

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
Now you gotta get a drop for us. All right,
Jason mccordy, say whatever you want to say. I'm Jason mccordy. Whatever,
hold on, put that down. This is a true professional here, Thomas.
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Speaker 3 (00:14):
Players Second Acts Podcast. Thank you? What's up everybody, Jason mccordy,
I'm sitting here with Peena Tillman, Roman Harper. I'm big
fans of ours, and I'm honored and I'm humble to
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Speaker 1 (00:34):
Oh my god, that.

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What I'm PETERA.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Tillman and this is the NFL Player Second Acts Podcast.
It's me is always, I got my sidekick, my co.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Host, my older brother Roman Harp on the show with me.
What's up baby? What's up? Man? I'm clearly not older
than you. Are you look over or you just got
a strugful life now older.

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tell a friend and pe nut. Yes, sir, who is
our magnificent, beautiful guest today. All right, let me read
some of these bio real quick play. Thirteen seasons in

(01:37):
the NFL Super Bowl winning champion, he's currently the co
host of Good Morning Football. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Jason.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Or appreciate it. Appreciate it, appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
This is what you do now, right This is this
is you know, the media biness. How we doing.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
I've convinced people to believe in that. So yeah, this
is what I'm doing right now.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
That's important. Yeah, that's important.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
When I just saw you, my dude, take it till
you make it that man, the first time I've actually
got to meet this young man. I think he's been
a brilliant mind. I think he's great on TV. He's
a great player as well, and uh, really just cool upbringing, dude,
I gotta give you. Honestly, I watched you on a
Good Morning Football and Dude, I really like the fit checks.
I was like really feeling that, especially with all whatever

(02:19):
players are wearing now, it's really weird.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
And we started at this season and when we were
talking about doing I was like, I'm gonna be honest,
I'm not just gonna put outf this up there, but
all this one's dope. This one's that like somebody's wearing something.
I have no idea what it is I'm going in.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
So I mean, it's just a new way, bro, It's
all good. But all right, I want to try to
start to transition. Let's jump into some football and how well,
let's get rid of the let's let's get over the
let's address the elephant in the room as well. This
is something I was like, So, what you're telling me
is that dev is a better athlete?

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Is this what I want to know? Your opinion? What
was there? What was the competition?

Speaker 3 (02:59):
Like?

Speaker 1 (02:59):
This is your brother the in your house better when
y'all grew up?

Speaker 3 (03:02):
How was that when you asked the question people, who's better?
I'm like, if you put them in a seat next
to me, we'll argue for hours who's better and both
try to bring proof to the situation. For us growing up,
I would say we were most competitive video games and basketball.
One on one basketball, we would go out and we
wouldn't keep scoring and we would just play going at
each other and it would usually end in one of

(03:23):
us argument we're fighting, and then Mom would come out
there and that would be the end of it. And
it was the same thing with video games, where you're
playing everything's all good and then next thing you know,
you got somebody in the headlocking the whole nine. So
as far as competition, we always were the tight. We
love playing against each other, but if we could ever
be on the same team, we love going against other people.
So our journey has been amazing just from a standpoint

(03:45):
of there's nobody that's gonna hold me more accountable, probably
other than my wife, show tell me how it is.
Then that if there's something not right, we're gonna call
each other out on it. I remember he goes to
the Pro Bowl his rookie year, seven intercepts and steps
on the scene and just balls. And that next off
season we're back at Rutgers working out and we're doing
pull ups and he cuts the pull up shore. He
does like six and there might have been eight or whatever.

(04:06):
I'm like, you're gonna you're gonna cut my pull up short?
Like what we're doing here? He was like, you think
these pull ups, gonna get you to the Pro Bowl.
Now we're nose and nose in the way people separate.
And then he went out there and had a terrible
year his second year, and he got them pull ups
in the next year. So that's just that. That's us.
We argue, we fight, love each other, don't talk about
and we're just fine.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
And right.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
What video game was like it for you guys?

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Which was which was the one that probably was like,
all right, we probably end up fighting to day?

Speaker 3 (04:31):
NBA Live, NBA Guy Live. We we were like, we
couldn't play any shooting game. We were terrible and anything
other than a sports game. So it was NBA Live
and Madden all of those. So yeah, but live was
that was it?

Speaker 1 (04:42):
What was the team? Oh?

Speaker 3 (04:43):
I was Orlando Magic fan. Penny Hardaway was guy, yes,
and it was my guy with you.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
I was the NBA jam kind of guy. Yeah, you're
showing your age, showing his age over here. I'm I'm
showing my age. You're not showing your age. I'm wearing
my noted noted.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
All right, what was your welcome to the NFL moment
when you got to the league.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
The first one was just the business side, the realness
of the NFL because I was a late round draftic
six round draft picks. So I'm getting there at Tennessee Titans.
You know, training camp, you go out there in your
stretch lines and you about nine deep at every position.
I'm going back, guys, you got drafted with the whole nine.
We get to that last cutting. The way they did
it in Tennessee was kind of crazy when I first
got in the league. The last two days where you

(05:31):
go through that last cut, guys stayed in the building.
A lot of teams. You'd be at the hotel, be
a day all we were all in the building. So
you'd have guys playing madd in our strength coach was
we called there was a guy you know, he hated it.
He hated it because so you'd be there in the
locker room you're playing Madden and you get that tap

(05:51):
on the shoulder. Coach, you bring your playbook. So I remember,
we go through those cuts and then we go back
out there the stretch line and this is my rookie year.
I'm just trying to make the team. You go out there,
next thing you know, there's four people in your line
and you're looking around and the entire room is just decimating.
Everybody's gone. And then it was the reality of just
what the NFL was and how quickly your dream you're

(06:13):
there and the next moment you're gone. So the season starts,
rookie year, I'm out there, we're playing I want to
say the rams And at that point, Stephen Jackson is
the running back and my dB coaches guy Marcus Robertson
played in the league, play safety. Ye play safety for
the Titians Oilers. He's like, I'm telling y'all when you
get out there, don't be nervous. You're gonna look out
there in pregame. You're gonna see Stephen Jackson. You could

(06:33):
be like, he looks like a Madden Creative player. Yeah.
So I didn't play any defense. Rookie, I'm out there
on kickoff and you know, back then they had the
three four man with wedge.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
You was a wagebuster.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
No, I was the number two. I was a speed guy.
We had some injuries and it was like, we're gonna
need you to play the number three spot. I'm like, coach,
I don't really know the number three spot. Like I
feel more comfortable on the outside. You don't have that
type of saying. When you're a rookie, get out there
at the three spot. I'm running by, nobody's blocking me.
I'm straight. That means I'm onto the wedge man I
get I get up from getting hit. The veterans on

(07:06):
this island like this, they holding up numbers trying to
see if I'm okay. That was my first moment. I
was just like, you know what, I don't know if
I got to find a way to get on defense
because the specialty is it's this ain't for me kick
off that life.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
I got to find a way who life.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
I've talked about this with multiple guests, is like, look,
it's playing special teams in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
It's a mindset.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
That's what I hate my life. Like, that's that's the
mindset that you have.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
You like, it's a different breed and if you don't
do it early, you can't pick it up late.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
Oh no way. You get to a point where now,
next thing you know, you're eight nine year, ten year
vet and the team wants and they're like, but we're
gonna need you to be the person to protect on
pund or something like it might be time for me
to go hang out that's it. That's what I'm resorting to.
It might be my moment might be gone.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yeah, because I don't know how you hit that switch on,
because these dude, this is how they feeding their family.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
You have not been in that lane before, y'all from
the hands team. You'll only never do hands. Hands is straight, bro.
They ain't worried about that. That's easy, all right.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
So I want to know this, how did you get
on the radar by the Tennessee Titans or other NFL
teams knowing that you were not invited to the combine,
which totally blew my mind?

Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yeah, how did that happen? I was talking your mind?

Speaker 3 (08:18):
Yeah, pro day ran a four to three flat and
I think speed in this league.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
If you can run.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
Gets to the end of the draft, he can run,
We'll see what he can do. But what helped me
was we drafted Kenny Britt that same year men Kenny
or Reiver. So he was our first round drafted and
our dB coach at Marcus Robertson, he liked me. He
saw me on film and thought I could possibly become
a good player. So Kenny gets in the building. That's
when the draft was two days so he's there already.
He gets in the building, Mark Robb goes up to him,

(08:45):
was like, Jason any good? What do you think of him?
Kenny's like, man, we battled every single day in practice.
If it wasn't for him and his brother, I wouldn't
be the player I was. He made me better each
and every day. Mark Robb went straight to the GM
and was just like, we need this guy when went
to bat for me. So it's funny because it comes
full circle. I just called the Titan Saints game, the
first game of the season. Mark Robb is a dB

(09:06):
coach now for the New Orleans Saints, and I'm down
there in pregame talking to him who drafted me way
back in O nine, and now I'm commentating calling the game.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
So that's crazy because I just met Mark rob when
they were in Monday Night for the versus Caroline Panthers.
So the following week or so, I just met him
for the first time. Knew exactly he was, but I
was all, dang, he came up into do so I
was really excited talking about full circle.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
I've watched you guys for so long. I remember we're
playing Chicago comes to Nashville. And obviously the peanut punch.
Everybody knows about the whole week leading up to the game.
It's just like, you see this guy, Oh this.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
Is twenty twelve. Yeah, just get down, Yeah, just get down. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
First playing the game, can a twenty something yard pass
over the middle. He punched the ball out. They beat
us fifty.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Something to He wasn't looking at play. He got him,
was like looking this one. Yeah, I got so and
I came blind. I was like, first, could have like
knocked him out, But I was.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
Just like, why first, I think you forced three fumbles
in that game.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
He said he was gonna mention this, but since you
brought it.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
Up, I don't forget. I remember when you understand going
against Brandon Marshall, we turning the ball. It wasn't a
fun death.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
That was a great day.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
It wasn't fun.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
That was a fun day.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
So many Bears fans in the stands a whole nine.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah, because your fans started leaving no doubt about it.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
What that came. That was There was some rough times
in Tennessee at that point, some rough times.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
That was a good defensive day for us.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
What was that three month period like in you know
in twenty seventeen, you went you were on that defeated
team in Cleveland. That was that was I was Hugh
Jackson in Cleveland when you guys went on sixteen on seven.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
So when you think of Hugh, you gotta remember not
only when only sixteen, but the year before that they
were one in fifteen. So that year terrible from top
to bottom. There's there's no like, there's you just describe that.
I don't have any positive say huge that I have
nothing like we were on in sixteen. It was not fun.

(11:08):
But I think you look at that from that standpoint,
the organization was trying to get back right and they
knew they had to go through kind of a down
phase to get back up. So you think about just
to fast for a little bit. Twenty seventeen, we don't
win a game. That very next year, in twenty eighteen,
they draft picker Mayfield to go out to go get
Tyrod Taylor. They bring in a ton of free agents

(11:28):
with the draft picks and the capitol that they amassed
over the previous two seasons. So but being in it
as a player, the one thing I will say that
locker room was phenomenal as far as like You had
young guys in there working their butts off because they
didn't know any different, and that was tough for me.
I'm a nine year vet and I'm showing up and
you're trying to give mentorship and say the only thing

(11:50):
you could tell guys is like this ain't it? Like
go hard because this is gonna blow up and at
some point you're gonna need to be so confersed. I
remember Duke Johnson was on that team. He goes Houston
the next year, he's playing next to Deshaun Watson. Emmanuel
Ogbell won a Super Bowl with the Kansas City Chiefs.
Larry Ogunjobi got paid by the Pittsburgh Steelers. There was
a ton of talent on that team. The Mario Davis

(12:11):
was on that team and got traded away for Calvin
Pryor to go back to the Jets. Joe Hayden was
released in the preseason and he goes on to play
four or five more years with the Pittsburgh steel Steelers
at a high level. So it's not like there wasn't
good players in that locker room. There were a ton
of them. But it shows you from any organization if
it's not right at the very top, It trickles down

(12:33):
to the bottom. And that's what that season.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
Well, even you can include yourself in that.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Now, I want to know your mindset was he went
from there to all of a sudden getting traded to
the New England Pages, where I mean, I go from
a team that we ain't winning nothing until all of
a sudden, now we got a really chance to win
a Super Bowl?

Speaker 1 (12:48):
So what was that?

Speaker 3 (12:48):
Like?

Speaker 2 (12:49):
I mean, and you get to batch back up with
your brothers, So what was that whole thing?

Speaker 1 (12:53):
Was he in on?

Speaker 2 (12:54):
That was? What was the family? With everybody celebrating? Take
me through that.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
That was a dream come true. We finished that season
in Cleveland, and the season Cleveland was rough too, even
we had just had our third kid. She was alert,
she had severe food allergies, So just figuring out life
in that year was a lough. Yeah. I rememberh the
season ended at my agent's Cleveland base I was like,
I'm not coming back to Cleveland. I was like, it's
a two year deal. I was, but I'm too old
for this at this point. I'm going in to year
ten like I was in Tennessee. We went two or fourteen,

(13:20):
one year three and thirteen. I'm like, I've taken my lumps.
I need to figure out to end on a good note.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
And I'm sure the weather in Cleveland don't help either.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
So great on fourteen, there's no sun.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
My mom came out tough.

Speaker 3 (13:35):
Oh my mom came out and she's like, I'm out
to see you in the off season. I'm not coming back.
But the season ends, and I remember we had got
a new general manager, John Dorsey, and Cleveland Sash Brown
was let go and John calls me just like, hey,
we're bringing in some corners and just out of respect
for you, we're going to try it. We're going to
release you now so you can get on with another team.

(13:57):
So at one end, I'm excited that he's going to
release me. Yeah, the other and I'm like, and I
was disrespectful, Yeah, you didn't go out and sign. You
can go get Sauce Gardner or one of the quarterbacks
in the league. But no problem. So he tells me that. Literally,
maybe an hour or two later, Dev calls me. He
face tigns me and he's just like, hey, you just
got traded to the Patriots. Like what, I'm like, bro,

(14:20):
get off my phone. He's like, yo' I'm dead serious.
You just got traded to the Patriots. So when I
told Dev I was going to be released, he texted
Brian Flores, the defensive coordinator at the time for New England,
and let's say didn't Flow calls him it was just like,
you might want to hit build up yourself. It might
come better from you. So he text his Belichick two
mccordy's are better than one. Build us in response, So

(14:43):
forty five minutes go by, he's like, damn, I guess
two ain't better than one. And Bill calls him like, hey,
we're going to trade for your brother. We're not going
to go through the agency stuff. We're just gonna go
ahead and trade for So I remember facetiming my mom
and she was just ecstatic, yelling on the phone because
when I found out was gonna ge release, I said
to my wife, I love to go play for the
Giants or Jets because it's home. But first if I

(15:04):
go play alongside my brother, like, that's a dream come true.
And I remember flying there in March. He picked me
up from the airport. We went over and my wife
said to me, because I was the back end of
a two year deal, she was like no matter what
happens this year, if you play a lot, you don't
play at all, Like, just don't take any of this
for granted. Yeah, enjoyed in the moment, and we're going
to win the Super Bowl, so.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
You're saying that's a big deal.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
And tell me this though, was it ever a dream
of you guys growing up to like playing the league
together on the same team, because like, that's it's so
hard to fathom me so hard to actually get there.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
No doubt about it.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
You know, you guys journey to get there was so different.
Did you ever give up on this dream with you
kind of just say it was just put on the
back bur I never thought about and all of a
sudden then it happened.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
It was always it was always a dream we had
giving up on it. At that point in twenty fifteen,
I think Schefter had tweeted that New England Patriots were
looking to trade for me and supposedly like that was
rumoring it and it almost happened, but it fell through.
And then in twenty seventeen, before I signed with the Browns,
I was a free agent. New England had just signed
Stefan Gilmour to Eric Road. They had Malcolm Butler, so

(16:10):
they had guys and we had talked about it, but
it was just like for me, I still wanted to play,
so I was just like, I don't want to put
myself So at that point we realized we tried, it
probably wasn't gonna happen and didn't. When it happened organically
kind of without free agency or anything like that, it
was so cool. And then that season we start out.
I played five plays the first game against Houston and
the next game I was about to be inactive. That

(16:32):
game they had younger guys that they wanted to play.
I took a pay cut and training camp. So it
was just like, all right, I well just enjoyed this
might be the last year. And then a guy got injured.
I ended up playing started the rest of the season
and ended up signing back after the year. But it
was a crazy rod.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Stay tuned in. We'll be right back after a quick break.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Talk about so you go from being Owen seventeen to
winning the Super Bowl, and not just winning a Super
but you had one of the better one if you
would arguably say one of the best defensive plays in
that game. You know where Cooks is running Scott free
up the middle of the field. Like, what did you
see on that play? So how did that play? How

(17:15):
did that play transform in your mind?

Speaker 3 (17:16):
Yeah, I saw some bad defense for sure. You guys
can appreciate it as dbright. They ran that play earlier
in the game and we were playing cover four and
I remember getting to the sideline and me and my
brother are talking and he's just like, yo, if they
come back to this, you got to get back to
the middle. It was like, for sure, I see it,
We'll be all right. And they come back to the
play and I don't know what Gilly's thinking on the
right side, but they're just running over posts and Gilly

(17:38):
sees the overcoming towards them and he drops the post
and both safeties they go to get the post because
Gilly's high and I'm pushing and I see it and
I turned. I'm like what the hell? At that point
is just like hustle, go try to make the play.
Let's put it in. And then you know, this is
year ten, so that's probably more like a season.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Yeah, it was for it.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
You know, it's just put your head down and run.
And just lucky for me, golf was late ball. Wasn't
really a great pass and was able to make the play.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Yeah, it was a great I looked it back up.
I was like, I totally forget about these plays. There's
so many hidden plays in a game that to forget
about but could really changed the whole momentum of everything.

Speaker 4 (18:20):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
I was at a neighbor's house watching that game, and
it's just, uh, it was really really a momentous, huge play.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
And then on the backside of.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
It, how about your brother being the first one there
to kind of celebrate with you. It's just like, this
is got to take you back to like little league
high school, where college and it's just like, man like,
we still just got each other's back. But it was
so cool how y'all did it though, It was just
like yeah, like yo, this is what we do. I
was just like, yo that, I mean, yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
It was a super like it was a real chill
ye key.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
That was dope as hell, just because I remember us
in high school that used to call your name. We
had our chest bump with our hands shake yeah all
in that. And I remember playing Pop Warner football. We
play early Sunday mornings and we'd wake up before the
game and we'd go outside and we'd go over all
the plays and we're throwing the ball, handing it all
go So to think about from that moment, being ten
eleven years old and you're doing this and you're playing

(19:13):
on the same football field. We'd have the schedule with
the little magnet on the refrigerator and we keep it
tally of our touchdowns. One year we both ended up
with the same exact number. So from that point to
playing alongside each other in the Super Bowl and him
being a captain and both being starters, like not just
both on the team, but both being major contributors to
the team, it was it was just so cool. And

(19:35):
we lived like walking distance away from each other. My
mom would come down, spend a week at my house,
spend a week at his house. The kids. That was
the first time in our lives. I had three kids
at the time. He had just had his second. That
was the first time for our kids that they were
able to be around each other because for the other part,
I'm playing in one city, he's playing in another, and
then in the off season at that point you both
kind of have your lives going, so it's not I

(19:57):
stayed in Nashville wherever I was and he was in
Boston in the So from a family perspective, it was
it was so cool.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
That's yeah, that's just really deep.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
That's really cool, just to be able to give us
that insight and just like a whole snapshot of where
you guys were at in your life.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah then versus now, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Well, I was just saying, well, I was just thinking, well,
the family dynamic have you guys grown since you know
now that you're all done, because now do the kids
get to see each other more?

Speaker 3 (20:25):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Or is that just a certain time where like the
cousins became best friends.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
What do you think you cherish the most?

Speaker 2 (20:31):
So you take away from that those couple of years
together as far as your brothers as relationship and then
also as your kids and families.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
So our relationship was really cool because you think about it,
our entire lives we have been together, so obviously grow
up together. We decided to go to college together, so
we were roommates at one point first year, and then
after that we were just in the same house. So
we've always been around each other. So then I get
drafted the year before him, he redshirted it and then
you think about it from that standpoint. I'm an NFL.

(21:00):
I'm doing my thing the Titans, Browns. He's in New England.
So now this is the course of nine years, we've
both grown kind of a part in our own roles, right,
and now I get to New England and he's the guy.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
He's the guy.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
Is Bill's guys paid there, He's won two Super Bowls
and that's just that. That's my brother. So we're being
in me and room he'll say, so I'm like, hell, no,
that's not right, and we'd be arguing in the meeting room.
And at this point we're older than coaches. So that
dynamic was really cool. And then off the field, both
of us as fathers and husbands at that time, and
like I said in the beginning, when it came to football,

(21:32):
there's nobody's going to hold each other more accountable than
us two. So it could be a dynamic with your
wife and I'm just like, you're tripping on that you
need you need to do X, Y and Z, or
if it's spending more time with like we would call
each other out on that. And now we were around
each other more to be able to really see it
on a day to day basis of what you're dealing with,
So that part of it was really cool. And then

(21:52):
our kids just they get along so well, and it's
so funny. My youngest his oldest are just eleven days apart,
and they call him else twin cousins. Both of our
oldest are girls, and we watched him and now his
daughter is four years younger than my daughter, and it's
just like she's a younger version of my oldest more
than her little sister. Both of us have boys second,

(22:13):
so watching them to kind of grow up and argue,
there's a few years of partner. Now he has a
two year old, so we're now thirty minutes away from
each other. Both our kids play sports on the weekend,
he comes to all my son's game, brings the entire family,
then we hang out after. So that dynamic you can't
beat it. In special for us is we've been in
the same profession. Both of us are adult lives. So

(22:34):
football you talk about what you're going through and your
teammates are one thing, but having somebody, yo, what are
y'all doing out there? We remember we played games. I'm like, Yo,
what game plan are y'all using because ours looks trash.
I need to go as coach, like can we implement this?
And now doing the media stuff. So I did it
all last year. Now he's jumping into it and the
whole time he'd be hitting me up as he's starting
his job with NBC. I'm like, bro, figure it out.

(22:56):
I had to figure it out last year. I don't
have nobody to hit up you and me all these
but like that part has been really special of us
being able to lean on each other throughout different aspects
in our lives.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
That's dope.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
So you played two more years, right, you played two
more years after you when your Super Bowl? At what
point in time did you feel like it was time
to retire? And then when you did retire, how much
time did you take off?

Speaker 3 (23:17):
Yeah? So we win that Super Bowl back, come back
in twenty nineteen and feel great and we're number one
defense on New England and our secondary at the corner position,
it's myself, a young J. C. Jackson, Stefan Gilmour, John Jones,
and we got like a four man rotation with Gilly
didn't leave the field. He was the guy. He's still
other than that, no doubt about it. So it was

(23:37):
just a great vibe that I ended up getting hurt
finishing that year. I had a sports hernia. So then
come back in twenty year, come back in twenty that
was my fourth one I had, so come back in
twenty twenty, play that year and don't really feel like
myself make it through the year. And I remember going
to twenty one. Twenty twenty was my last year in
New England and I'm a free agent and Bill's the
one thing with Bill, He's gonna be honest with you.

(23:58):
He was just like, you know how we feel about
you here, but at this point, we're not looking to
bring you back. At some point down the line, we may.
And then Miami calls with coach Flores, my DV coach
Josh Boyer was a defensive coordinator there. I remember saying
to my wife, I was just like last year, it
just was my best year. I just if I'm gonna
leave the game, I want to leave and feel good
about what I just put on tape and train my

(24:18):
butt off that off season to go to Miami, and
we drafted Javon Holland in the second round, so I
knew I was going there to be the guy for
a little while, and when we got the training camp,
I was like, oh, yeah, he's gonna be good, so
get down there. And it's a chance to go hang
out in Miami for six months with my family. So
it was great. And then I ended up doing a
list frank on my foot and I remember limping off

(24:39):
the field We're playing against Atlanta, and I was like,
that's it. I'm not going through a whole rehab process
to it, and so took time off because basically from
the end of October, I was just home and once
did the broadcast boot camp with the NFL, and different
job opportunities came. And once the job opportunities came, I
was just like, that's it. This is the next chapter

(24:59):
in life and I'm gonna be able to walk right
into it. So announce my retirement one week and a
week later announced that I was joining Good Morning Football.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
And see that's what kind of happened with Peanut.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
So Peanut literally they because when they offer you stuff
for when opportunities come up, got to take it. It's
really hard to like, uh, maybe I'll come back. We're
not a quarterback, you know what I mean. We might
may not look the same. We might not look the
part all the time. So you when you get when
it offered to you, you gotta got to take it, whether
you're ready for it or not, and you just got
to grab it and just go with it. Is that

(25:30):
kind of the same advice that you were giving? And uh,
would you what would you kind of advice would you
give yourself? Looking back at it, would you change anything?

Speaker 3 (25:37):
Definitely, wouldn't change anything. I think unique for myself. Courtland
Finigan was a mentor for me and coland Carolina. Okay,
that's that's my guy.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
We got some stories that we can tell offline.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
Oh yeah, if you know Courtland or if you've played
against Courtland, you have stories because court Court's crazy. So
no doubt he So I remember talking to him when
he retired and Courtland was a set thrown draft pick
out of Stamford, and I remember asking him like, like,
how do you feel about it? And he was just
like Jay when I came into the league, like the
expectation I set forth for myself, he was like, I

(26:10):
so far exceeded that that, Like, I have no regrets.
I loved everything about my career. And I remember going
into the league as a sixth rounder. And I remember
the first agent I ever talked to. He was like, yea,
I'm gonna set you up with this gunner and we're
going to teach you how to be a gunner in
the league.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
And I was like, damn.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
I kind of hoping I could be a little bit
more than a gunner, you know what I mean. But
going in like my rookie year, I was like, yo,
if I could just make the team and play special
teams and figure it out from there. So to think
thirteen years later, a starter for eleven out of my
thirteen years in the NFL won a super Bowl, it
was like when it was time to hang him up,
I was just like, job well done. And I was
a guy that I wasn't immensely talented where I could

(26:47):
just show up and be better than guys. So like
I put to work in so it was just like
when it was said to be done, it was just
like I gave the thing all I had and it
was the same exact thing, those job opportunities. And I
remember talking to Chris Holpe and other guy was my
other mentor, and the one thing he told me I
thought about retiring when I left Tennessee, it's just that
newness of having to switch teams. Chris Hope, yep, Chris

(27:07):
Hope and Safety from Florida State, Florida, CA. Was one
was the Steelers, was with Troy Polamalo got paid and
Tennessee was a Super Bowl champ as well, and he
was like J Mack in Country from South Carolina. He said,
the one thing I'm gonna tell you, when you lead
a game, that's it. There's no turning back. There's no
pickup league to go put your equipment on and go play.
He was like, if you play basketball, you can go

(27:28):
to the local. Why there's softball game? He was like
when football, when it's done, is done. So he's like,
just make sure you're you're secure with that. And I was.
And people asked me over this past year and a
half of like do you miss it? And I was like,
you missed the guys, you missed the conversations. I was like,
but I look down on that field like, no, I
don't miss that. I see a big hit. I'm just
like that looks like it heard. Yeah, I want no
parts of that anymore. So, Yeah, there was no regrets.

(27:51):
I was done when I walked off the field.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
See, that's exactly I was.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
I want to go back though, because this really I
didn't know something about you and your brother.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
And that's that you guys.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
First of all, he was the one that a lot
of teams wanted to come out of high school.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
Correct I was, I was more than him.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
You were more than him, and not by a lot.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
And not by a lot.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
And how does it feel with all of a sudden
is there a conversation that had this competition where it's
like you kind of check the box when he gets
rid chirded.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
And you don't.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Oh, I tell him all the time because I didn't
know that until you said it earlier. And I was like,
he still owes me money. I had three offers coming
out of high school. He had one double A offers
at the time.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
So I was in New Hampshire, the Housers and all
of those schools, and Rutgers essentially offered him to try
to get both of us to go. And it's funny,
just a short story. So we go on our visit
and Rutgers offers him and I had a visit to
Boston College as well. Dev commits asat no so he did.
That was his only one a offer. He was like, well,
if that's what you're doing, I'm coming. I'm committing right now.

(28:53):
Darren Rizzy, who's a special teams coach in New Orleans,
he was a guy who recruited us two Rutgers. I
just was talking to him this past week and he
said when Dev committed our head coach at the time,
Greg Shanno. He said him and Greg were in the
car and he was just like, we got duped. We
got duped. We wanted the cow, we got the cat,
we got the other one. That's not the one we wanted.

(29:13):
And you know, coaching, that's how that's what it is.
That's what it is, exactly fast forward. It all worked out.
But I got there for him, and then I ended
up getting drafted the year before him, and I go
in the sixth round. But I make the team. I
start a few games. I showed a little bit of promise.
I wasn't a world beater. Then he comes out the
next year, he goes twenty seventh overall, and I'm just like, bro,

(29:36):
if you think about me getting in the bloodline a
whole I kind of help. I'm still waiting for. He
went to the Pro Bowl. I had to pay my
own way to Hawaii. He nothing. He was like, brother,
come on, you know we got other family members. I
got to help him out. You good, you gotta check so.
But it's always been like that. And I remember in
college he struggled with In high school, he struggled with

(29:57):
that when he felt like Rutgers was only offering him me,
he wasn't gonna go. And I remember when my mom
sat us down and she said, at some point in
both of you guys lives, you're gonna need to lean
on each other. Dev if you got to ride Jay's
coattails to get there and get there. Once you get
there is your opportunity to show them what you can do.
And that's what he did.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
I like that. I like that.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
What would you give your grade now that you're in
the Media Broadcast boot camp when you first started out?
And what would you grade yourself now today of how
you're doing it.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
I'm a confident guy, so I'm giving myself an A. I'm
saying I'm showing up and I'm ready to go. I
would say early on, probably a C. And in my mind,
if you would have asked me, I would have told
you I'm probably a b plus I'm scratching it. But
like early on, you have no idea what you're doing.
You're trying to figure it out, so you don't even
know that you're not that good. You feel like, oh,
I just gave him one the hell of a sound
bite right there with that last thing I thought of

(30:49):
last night. But in reality and just it's a lot
you're reading off the prompter. I remember getting there at
the boot camp and they were like, you guys are
gonna call a game for radio. You're gonna call a
game for TV totally interview, and I was like, you said,
we gotta call it game. It was just like I
didn't even think about that, and then you do it.
I was just like that was awesome. Like I love
the feeling of doing it, but I'm not good. But

(31:12):
in mind, you're like you can bring so much. I'm
a former player, and you learn that there's people that,
whether they played or not, like this is their profession
and they know what they know what the hell they're doing.
And being all that show last year was so cool
because sitting to the right of me, Jamie Erdall has
been doing TV for such a long time, did Sidelines
and SEC for eight years. Kyle Brandt was an executive
producer on Jim Rome Show, then got the Good Morning Football.

(31:35):
He's been doing it for over a decade. Schrager, he's
been for over a decade. Was at side, and then
it was at Fox doing sideline studio stuff and I
got to watch them and that's when I really realized
that I got a lot to I'm trying to keep
up with the other three co host on the show,
and it was as a you know, we love so
it was just like I would see them do something,
I got to figure out how to do that, and

(31:55):
you just get better and better. And then I think
the other side of it is just comfort. You get
comfortab being in front of the camera. You get comfortable
reading off the prompter. When we first started to show that,
it was like the first Monday after or whatever it
was Monday after preseason, was like we're reading highlights. I
was like, I gotta read highlights. I was like, I
know what told me.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
I'm just here for the color.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
You know, you're just learning as you go. So and
people tell me that all the time, even my mom,
my mother in law, They're like, oh, you just look
so much more comfortable some of those relationships.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
When did you When did you feel that though? When
did you feel that comfort? Because we had Nate. We
had Nate borson on the show and he was like, yeah,
you know, I was kind of wearing these suits and
I was just real tight, and it just I wasn't myself.
I finally just went home he got his own suits
and was just like, yo, I think I'm ready now,
and he was like for him, it was just like
a light bulb that just went off, and it was

(32:45):
just this calming presence. It's like, boom, I'm gonna call,
I'm I'm gonna do the news. Like was there was
there a moment when you just like, you know what,
this is football? I got this relaxed.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
Yeah, And then just when did you When did you
know that?

Speaker 3 (32:58):
I would say probably about the football season. So I
started at the end of July and it's just the repetitions,
like you do the show every day for three hours.
So by the middle of the season, it was just
like now I know what to expect. Yeah, and the
tough thing, like you mentioned Nate, like that was the
hardest part of like you go on that show for
me and Jamie, Nate and k were phenomenal, Like this

(33:19):
show started with them and the two people Peter and
Kyle are still there and them two lead and when
you first started the show, you're going, you know, you
can't go on social media, but this show sucks without
Nigga k So like you're trying to live up to
people that were really good at their job who set
the table, and then that's what By mid season, it
was just like the hell with all that, I'm just
gonna go be myself and wherever that leaves me, it

(33:41):
leaves me. And it's kind of an advantage because for us,
your first dream, like for me was playing football, and
I did that and I got to accomplish a lifelong dream.
This is just like, all right, this is a developing
passion that if I sucked and I just need to
find something different to do. But for right now, I'm
just gonna practice it, go out there and perform my
best and see where that put.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
You know.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
I love also staying in at this vein. I love
Good Morning America, the football just because you guys are
highly entertaining.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
Just got Kyle Brant, It's to me, he's.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Intense. I know, he's a diur.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Buffalo fans and maybe it has to do with something too,
But this guy is off the chain.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
What's it like working in that type of environment where not.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Every some some some stations are more conservative than others.
But it seems like on this one they really let
you guys cut up, you guys have fun, and really
does that help we calm the nerves and get into
the place where you are now?

Speaker 3 (34:35):
Oh, it definitely helps. And I compare it to we're
used to being in the locker room, like being in
a dB room, you're used to having your DB's around you.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Yeah, we joke more than anybody.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
And that's where you see after we're on the show
for a while, Like now that I know Kyle, like
I know, we know, we can say anything all to
each other because it's not personal. We're entertaining. But that's
the cool thing to is your point, Like Kyle is
so creative, Like we'll see there and you'll say something,
he'll come with a rebuttal and you'll be like, damn,
you just thought of that. And because our shows every
day and we do it so early in the month,

(35:08):
like we don't rehearse, so you put in maybe some
of your answers. A lot of answers like I want
to wait and do it on the show to see
have everybody. Oh, So, it's so cool being in that environment.
It's not just the four of us at the table,
it's everybody behind the scenes. And I think sometimes when
we leave the game, guys have trouble transition into the
next thing. I think for me, I've been blessed that

(35:28):
you leave a huge locker room with seventy guys in
and then you have to support staff, and now I've
just walked into a smaller locker room from the people
behind the cameras to That was the thing early on
for me where I say, get to the middle of
the season. Now when you're in there, you're not like
waving someone down. You're just like to the camera, to
the stage man, hey Danny, can you help me with this?
Or to hey Connor. You know people's names and how

(35:50):
there's relationships. You know a little bit about their why.
And I think that's the coolest thing of building that
comfort of now it means something to you when you
know the people you're.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Working man, that's so cool and so true.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
I got my gig with ESPN SEC Network during COVID
and so like, I worked for a whole year and
didn't even see nobody's face.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Tough. It was like weird because you have no personal Relationshipah.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
The people I worked with on my show were all
weay remote, so you don't build that chemistry. And it
literally took me a year and a half two years
before I was like, oh so I do know this person, Yes,
and I do know. I can't just talk they are
rooting for me. I don't know who they are behind
the mask. So I totally get it when people don't
recognize us when we have a helmet on, because I

(36:32):
was in that position.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
No doubt about it. And you'll never Ben right, yes,
so and he's on Ben Watson. I remember got a
chance to play with Ben. Ben was probably forty is
last year in New England, and I remember looking at
him and for us myself, Dev and then Matthew Slater
like he was the guy. So it was just like
and it wasn't just who Ben was on the football field,
but it was just like who he was as a person.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
My man, just no better, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
So it's so cool and to that point when you
work with people like that, it just makes it an enjoyable experience.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
Yeah, all right, So what do you want to take
this career next.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
I don't know people asking that, and to be honest,
sorry I haven't asked.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
No.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
It's a great question. Like I sit down, you talk
to your agent, like, well, what's next. We want to
help you get down. I'm like, I don't know. I'm
still figuring this out. Like this year, I'm calling games
for CBS as well doing something for radio for Westwood One.
That's a new journey. I'm enjoying that as well. So
I'm just kind of taking them as they come. I
didn't expect when I got hired for Good Morning Football
was all right, I'm going to do this for the

(37:29):
next however many years and see what happens. And then
Westwood One called about doing games on radio. Then this year,
CBS call and it's just like, man, I still got
a wife and three kids. So even figuring out all
of that dynamic, because like we started this thing off,
when opportunities come, it's hard to say no because there's
no guarantee that it's coming back around.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Yeah, so legacy is big, right, I had a great career.
We do this thing, right, now you know, we do
our media thing right, And I have four kids. He's
got four kids, and I'm always trying to show my
kids that I'm trying to do something. I went back
and got a degree. I want them to know that
I'm always learning and growing.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
I'm not too old to learn something new.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
You know, with your with your career, with winning the
Super Bowl, and now you're getting into the media, what
do you think you want.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
Your legacy to be to your three kids?

Speaker 3 (38:16):
Man, it's so funny you say that when I retire,
and in I play. We played long enough and you
can make enough money where you're just all right, I
can take some time off. And I remember my time
in Miami. My last year, we had a player development
guy by the name of Caleb Thornhill Elite, like one
of the best people I've been around, and he put
on a business combine for players in the offseason. So
he would bring you in there for three days and

(38:37):
be at a hotel room. We're in a ballroom. He'd
bring in venture capital people, real estate people, all types
of different backgrounds. He'd put these people in front of
us and we'd get to ask some questions. We do
workshop different things I remember there was an angel investor
there worth sixty million dollars, and I can't remember what
country it was from. But he talked about him and
his sister growing up and bombs being dropped on them

(38:58):
and then running for cover and that was his childhood.
And he talked about now being able to provide more
for his kids. And I remember asking him the question.
I was just like, you talk about your childhood, of
what it was like and how it made you into
who you are and helped you to get to where
you're at now. You have children who are growing up
vastly different. They're not in the struggle, they're not in

(39:19):
any type of struggle. They might be on private planes,
the whole nine. How do you instill in them a
work ethic? And what he told me was like, I
want to show them that I'm working, that this stuff
doesn't just appear. He said, I'd buy a company and
I'd rent an apartment across the street, and my kids
would come over to the office every single day and
they'd see Daddy doing work in meetings on the phone.

(39:42):
And he said that was important to him. And when
I retired, that kind of wrung truth for me of
my kids. They're still young. My oldest is just ten.
So the football thing they know I played, They were
at games, but it doesn't really register. So now for
them to be able to see me, it doesn't matter
what I'm doing, doesn't matter how much money I'm making,
Just to know that you live in this house, you
have food on the table because somebody leaves the house

(40:04):
and goes to work and provides it for you. That's
what I want for them. I want them to know
that if you want something, you can achieve it, but
you have to put the work, and anything worth having
it's going to take hard work, blood, sweat and tears.
And I think that, for me is the biggest thing
I want to leave them with.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
I see, I love that.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
You make me feel better because I'm always like, man,
my kids ain't struggling enough.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
They got it too easy. And man, one of these
mother joke is hungry.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
You know a certain way, and it's just like they
don't have that, and you're like, how do I how
do I still put that in there? And it's funny.
My son now is playing football. It's called flex football,
so they wear full paths, but it's still flag and
it's so funny like that. It's awesome, Like I'm coaching
them the whole nine and seeing him how much better

(40:48):
he's gotten. And he'll tell you that he was like
in the beginning, Daddy, I wasn't good, but now I
feel like I'm the best player on the team. So
for him to think that, like I can go work
hard and get better, I'm like, now we just need
to transition that into every aspect.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Love it. Yeah, yeah, that's dope. Dope. So I guess
my next question is I follow this these these triplets
on uh on Instagram.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
They it's like three separate pillars and one guy will
come out of the pillar and he'll walk by a
woman and she'll oh, excuse me. And then the second
triplet will come out and walk by the woman and
she's like, oh wait, and then she'll do a double take.
And then by the third one, the third time, the
dude will come out and he was, you know, bumping
to the chicken. She's like, wait, what the what the hell?

(41:30):
What's They were dressing like, uh, like black and white
suits and they looked like mister h They look like
the agents on the matrix.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
And he would say, mister Anderson and the dude was like,
what the like you was tripped out right?

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Please tell me you have some kind of a crazy
story that you and Dev like played a trick on somebody.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
You know. The crazy thing is anybody close to us
has always known us apart. So I remember early on in.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
College, give me the clue. So, what's the easiest way
to tell you guys apart?

Speaker 3 (41:58):
So his face is fatter than mine if we're sitting
right here, and we'll be able to tell right off
when we're together, I think. So yeah, as kids, I
can look at a kid picture and I don't know
who the hell is like I have to have to
ask me. But I remember when I first started dating
my wife and she came. She was coming over, and
Dev was like, I'm gonna go answer the door. And

(42:19):
as soon as he answered the door, she was just like,
what's up, deaf? She was like, your neck is fatter
than Jay's. So it was just like it was always
in New England. No Bill couldn't tell us apart at all, like,
and Dev had been there for so long he would
just call me death and training camp. We'd wear the
same exact thing, same sleeve, same everything. And you guys

(42:40):
you have to wear the same sleeping thing every day.
I know you're twins, but we've never been able to
like really fool. So when we tried it in elementary
school and one of our friends yelled it out before
the teacher, we've never been able to do like the
full on heist and fool somebody in my mom. Really,
you can ask my mom. She said, I could tell
them from the back of their heads. So you we

(43:04):
were never able. We said one day, like, I'm gonna
have him just walk into Good Morning Football and do
and do a show and see. So I'm gonna hope
maybe he'll let me get to NBC and expand my
my portfolio too, so we'll see that. I like that.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
I like that. But like those that know no always.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
Exactly always, it'll be interesting when you guys get a
chance to meet them, when you'll walk in and y'all
be like, oh no, I said, you know what exactly.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Little little little little details.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Yeah, okay, that's funny though that Bill like just never
how about your TV coach you could he tail yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
Yeah and uh. In college, Shannel called us twins. A
lot of guys on the team called it like if
you try you can tell us apart. But I remember
for coaches. I remember Shannel had identical twins, and he
said early on, I couldn't tell them apart, just because
you know coaches, they live in a facility.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
The whole nine, y'all sound the same note.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Didn't you like answer the phone call when he talk
I was drafting drink?

Speaker 3 (44:00):
Yeah, he gets in for him, he was waiting for
so long to get drafted. At the end of the
first round. He was nervous, I guess at the end
of the first round, so he said he had to
go to the bath. I think he just needed a
moment to get away, because I guess it is like
when for me, when.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
You're told you're gonna be a first you know you're
just chilling draft.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
For him, he was a tweiner in the first round,
second round, so as a first round started to get
to the end and there's trades going on, and next thing,
you know, his phone rings and it's mister Kraft and
I answer it. So I'm like, hey, how you doing?
He said, Hey, Devin, we want to let you know what.
I'm like, Oh, I'm so excited, blah blah blah. He's
all right, I just acted to be here. This is
this is natural for us. I could have walked there
and somebody could have been like, yo, dev I would

(44:38):
have turned around. I'm like, now I'm his brother. But
I'm just so used to being called both names. So
he was all right, we're gonna put coach Belichick on
the phone. At this time. That was after my rookie year.
Any story about Bill is like, he's scary, So I run.
I'm like, you got drafted. You got drafted. So I'm
the one who answered. So I told mister Craft like,
in reality, he still owes me a signing bonus because

(44:58):
he did draft me. It has never got that original contract.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
So all right. Now, I've also heard you're big into donuts.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
I love donuts.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Sprinkles are non sprinkles. You give me the sprinkles.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
Sprinkles vanilla frost and strawberry frosted either one rainbow sprinkles
on not the chocolate. Okay, donuts though, like what just
like I'm not a kate guy. Donuts, cookies or ice cream,
those are the only desserts I'll eat.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Like kind of ice cream vanilla bean now ice cream
over gelato?

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Yeah? Are you serious? No gelatto? Every day. Yeah, yeah,
I'm up at you.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
Yeah, like that.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
For shoot no more and it came up. I didn't
come to go back to blonde. Shoot all day? Baby.
You know what apologize for that?

Speaker 3 (45:56):
You still eating no fried balloon?

Speaker 1 (45:57):
No I'm not. I'm not that. I wish I was, though,
Like it's still so good.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
Make the kids eat it.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
I do. Just like how much money, how successful I've been.
I still eat ramen.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
Yeah, but you eat like the Ramen noodle like the
sixty nine cent pa, yes.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Yes to like no no no, no, no, no, no no,
like the sixty nine cent pack that we grew up in.
Like do you eat in college when you had no
mone you put the hot water on it and yeah
you don't get high blood pure. I eat it every
so often.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
You kids know what it is?

Speaker 1 (46:30):
You put it? Oh my god, that's what's up. Yeah,
I still got a little hood to this is.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
This is like I feel like I'm eating ramen to
day be born and joined up for a couple of noodles.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
Yeah, that's what's up. That's that's that's what it is.
That's what it is. You know, it's all good, all right.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
So one of the courses we ask all the guests
Mount Rushmore if you don't know, it's got four presidents.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
But I want to know the four people in.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
Your life that have had an impact mentor coach, player, brother, mother, whoever,
whoever these four individual people are that had a really
big impact on your life.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Oh who would that be?

Speaker 2 (47:10):
My mouth?

Speaker 3 (47:10):
Rushmore would be like one person at the very top
and then the other three would just be down at
the bottom.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
And that's Mom.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
My mom single parent. Father passed away when I was
just three years old, and people asked me that, like
who was your favorite? I'm like, Mom was everything sacrifice.
She was a psychiatrical nurse, got in a car accident.
She's had double digit knee surgeries. So I've watched her
struggle throughout my life. And I remember being in elementary
school and I had to write a paper. It was
like one day I'm gonna be a professional basketball player

(47:37):
or football player and I'm gonna buy my my house,
and like being able to do that was surreal. So
she's everything that Devin and myself and my older brother
are off the field or out of sports is because
of her. She is instilled and built me and molded
me into the guy and the man father husband I
am today. So she would be number one by far.

(47:58):
The second person for me would be my wife. We
met when I was just nineteen years old and we've
been together every since.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
So she uh, every day.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
Like her early she didn't she had to put up
with him. Yea, yeah, because it's like it's always weird
dynamic when you need when you meet in college. That's
your most immature fansy, my brother, my other roommates, all
of us, Like she knows where all the bodies of
the whole nine. Yeah, so for sure her you talked
about the fittlers early on. Today we had to wear

(48:27):
I did overalls with no shirt on, and that was
probably the second outfit we had where I didn't have
a shirt on. And I always run a boy. My
wife don't go on TV with She said to me
last week, you're just gonna dress like this every week.
I was just like, I'm just trying to make good television.
I'm trying to get you the finder things in life
for this this next career. So she would definitely be
number two, and then three and four would be my brothers. Uh,

(48:50):
dev my identical twin brother and my older brother, Larry
dev Like I said, we hold each other accountable. My
older brother not having a father figure that he wasn't
a dad to me, but he was just that super
supportive big weather for us growing up playing sports. There
was nobody that was going to talk more trash about
how good his younger brothers were than my older brother.

(49:11):
In the neighborhood. We were Lil Larry, We're growing up.
Oh them them els brothers. And that was him talking
trash the whole nine and just always being there no
matter what happened. So for me, it's always been family.
Coaches and everybody have been great people in my life.
Supplement when you're away from home and all of that.
But for me, it started at home and it's always

(49:31):
been that.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
Man, that's the blessing.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
And n kind of reminds me of my oldest brother,
you know, when the oldest brother showed support and love.
Bro differently, it just it just us hits a little
bit confidence, yeah man, Jason, Man, dude, this was awesome.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Man, thank you. I see you got a hoodie on
Shock the world. What's up with that?

Speaker 3 (49:48):
This was one of my old college teammates. Ye had
he was doing a clothing line at one point and
sent me this so shocked the world. I mean that's
words that anybody can live by something you're doing. You're
trying to redefine something.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
No doubt.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
Man, you want to back and throw that jail up
here too, Broki Yeah, yeah, photos joints.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
I'm a big I'm a big sneaker guy. I used
to save my lunch money and my mom would drive
me to them all on Saturday. We'd be out there
in line. Now you're on the sneakers app on stock
all this other stuff, after market prices. I was in
there in the foot locker and all of that.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
How many sneakers do you think you own?

Speaker 3 (50:26):
Probably I would say three hundred, somewhere around that, somewhere around.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
I give a lot of them.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
I stop wearing them. I give him away.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Okay, you're the sneaker guy. Okay, so you told them,
told me something. So you the sneaker got that buys
and wears. Yes, because it's a lot of people that.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
No, No, I'm not putting anything on. I used to
you do that for too long. You go to wear
the sneaker at the bottom coming off. They're not made
that well just to sit. I wear all, I wear
all of my.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Ap I applaud you for being that guy. Jason mccordy man,
thank you so much for being here. I know we
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