The Non-Anxious Leader Podcast

The Non-Anxious Leader Podcast

The Non-Anxious Leader Podcast uses a family systems theory approach to increase your spiritual, emotional and physical well-being so you can be the best leader possible. Each episode explores research and practical tips to help you be a personal and professional non-anxious presence.

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January 12, 2026 12 mins

Self-differentiated leaders take responsibility for themselves (and no one else). This will increase self-discipline in a way that helps you in all aspects of life. Here are three strategies to help you do this.

Show Notes:

Why this type of self-discipline will make you a better leader by Jody Michael

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Edge cases don't happen often, but they are predictable. This episode unpacks what that looks like and offers five steps to help you grow as a non-anxious presence.

Show Notes:

Why the Best Communicators Prepare for the Edge Cases - Matt Norman

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This episode covers a systematic way to improve your life on a regular basis.

Show Notes:

Get a free copy of One New Habit, One Big Goal: Change Your Life in 10 Weeks

Episode 311: The Year End Review (with a Family Systems Take - Rebroadcast)

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Self-differentiation is acting in accordance with your goals and values, especially in anxious moments. This episode shows you how, as well as what to do when you don’t.

Show Notes:

Anxious Church, Anxious People: How to Lead Change in an Age of Anxiety 

If You Met My Family, You’d Understand: A Family Systems Primer

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The emotional intensity that comes from being super-serious can turn a challenge into a problem. Likewise, when we react automatically to the anxiety of others, it can make a bad situation worse. This episode digs into why this is the case and what you can do about it.

Show Notes:

Anxious Church, Anxious People: How to Lead Change in an Age of Anxiety 

If You Met My Family, You’d Understand: A Family Systems Primer

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Recognizing emotional process will not only help you avoid getting stuck, it will enable you to persist through the inevitable sabotage that comes when you are leading change.

Show Notes:

Anxious Church, Anxious People: How to Lead Change in an Age of Anxiety 

If You Met My Family, You’d Understand: A Family Systems Primer

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The key to effective leadership is the ability to remain a non-anxious presence. Understanding triangles, as well as how to manage them, makes this easier.

Show Notes:

Anxious Church, Anxious People: How to Lead Change in an Age of Anxiety 

If You Met My Family, You’d Understand: A Family Systems Primer

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Understanding what Executive Coach Muriel M. Wilkins calls "Blockers" can help you get unstuck in your family, congregation and organization. This episode covers the final four and how to unblock them.

Show Notes:

⁠The Hidden Beliefs That Hold Leaders Back⁠ by Muriel M. Wilkins

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Understanding what Executive Coach Muriel M. Wilkins calls "Blockers" can help you get unstuck in your family, congregation and organization. Here's what they are and how to unblock them.

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The Hidden Beliefs That Hold Leaders Back by Muriel M. Wilkins

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Child focus or the Family Projection Process is one of Murray Bowen's eight concepts of Family Systems Theory. Here are five research backed insights that can help you as a parent and/or a leader.

Show Notes:

Child Focus and the Family Unit: A Comparison of Families with Higher and Lower Child Symptomology by Phillip Klever

Family Projection Process — The Bowen Center for the Study of the Family

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The political, cultural and theological divisions continue to widen. A non-anxious leader understands why AND how to respond.

Show Notes:

The Center for Family Process

Only My Opinion Counts: Myside Bias by Jamie Hale, M.S.

The Bias That Divides Us: The Science and Politics of Myside Thinking by Keith E. Stanovich

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Phillip Klever studied the impact of intergenerational emotional connection on families of origin. Here's what he found and what it means to you.

Show Notes:

Cutoff: The challenge of the parent/child relationship by John Bell, MDiv.

Extended Family Relationships: A Comparison of High and Low Symptom Families by Phillip Klever

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When others anxiously provoke you, one strategy is "don't argue, don't agree." This episode explains "Gray Rocking" and how it can work for you.

Show Notes:

‘Gray rocking’ is a way to deal with difficult people. Here’s how it works. - The Washington Post

Gray Rocking (Definition + Examples) - Practical Psychology

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This episode explores what "Fogging" is and how you can use it in anxious situations.

Show Notes:

When I Say No, I Feel Guilty by Manuel J. Smith

The Fogging Technique - Assertiveness Skills Articles

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This episode continues with an explanation of Positive Intelligence and covers the three strategies to increase your PQ so you can be a non-anxious presence.

Show Notes:

Positive Intelligence: Why Only 20% of Teams and Individuals Achieve Their True Potential AND HOW YOU CAN ACHIEVE YOURS by Shirzad Chamine

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Positive Intelligence is a practical approach to help you be your best through self-regulation and self-differentiation. This two-part series explains what it is and how it can help you.

Show Notes:

Positive Intelligence: Why Only 20% of Teams and Individuals Achieve Their True Potential AND HOW YOU CAN ACHIEVE YOURS by Shirzad Chamine

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Observing the patterns in a system, not just the behavior of individuals, can help you to better self-differentiate. Here's how.

Show Notes:

When the Family Tightens Up - by Kathleen Smith

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Self-differentiation means that you are able to manage your own anxiety without involving others. This episode unpacks what this does (and doesn't) look like.

Show Notes:

Being the Captain of Your Own Ship by Kathleen Smith

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Courage is the strength to act in the face of fear, uncertainty, or adversity. This episode covers the final four types of everyday courage and how they relate to self-differentiation.

Show Notes:

6 Ways to Practice Everyday Courage by Alex Budak

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Courage is the strength to act in the face of fear, uncertainty, or adversity. This episode covers the first two types of everyday courage and how they relate to self-differentiation.

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6 Ways to Practice Everyday Courage by Alex Budak

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