April 11, 2025 • 40 mins
Titans Radio's dynamic draft duo of Rhett Bryan and Dave McGinnis give Amie Wells their lists of top prospects in the 2025 NFL Draft on the OTP.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
This is the OTP. I'm Amy Wells, and I am
joined by draft gurus Ret Brian and coach mac Dave McGinnis.
We are getting ready for the twenty twenty five NFL Draft.
You guys have spent months watching tape, sifting through numbers
and measurements and workouts and all of these statistics. You
have gathered stories and interesting little nuggets, and now is
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the time to put all this information together like this
is it? The draft is in days and I would
like to create for the ot people a one stop
shop where they can get all of the information about
the top prospects at each position in the NFL Draft
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and they can do without information what they like. But
I but you know, obviously the goal of the OTP
is to keep everybody informed, make sure they know who's
who in the zoo, make sure we know what is
going on. And so you guys are here and I
have asked you to put together a list of your
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guys's top prospects at each position, and you so graciously
did it, and so I would like to roll through that.
Are you guys cool with us?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Let's go, let's go. We share your before we get started,
and in word, this is This is a lot of
work that we've done and we're still in the process
of putting our draft board together, which it always changes.
But we're not talking about prospects here that we think
the Titans are going to take. No, we're we are
just this. This is an overview of who's out there,
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and it's not only the top people you ask us
just to go through because the draft is not just
about the first round, and especially in this draft, Amy,
and I know you're well versed in this. You were
at the combine for the whole time too. This is
a really strong what you call belly of the draft
with these you know a lot of players that won't
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be first round picks. There's only thirty two first round picks,
but there's two hundred and seventy nine players taken, So
we're going to cover a gamut of players. Not saying
these are the people the Titans are gonna take, but
just in what we've done so far, these are the
guys a little bit to kind of stick out to us.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
These are the names that you can throw out at
a party and sound like you know what's going on, and.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Not only sound like you will know what you're going on, and.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
We really like that. I do want to pull back
the curtain just a hair. When do you guys start
working on this?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
We started, We started about six days after the season
was over.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Whoa, I've been working every week since.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Since, I mean mid January.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Yeah, well that's and look, the real draft preparation for
clubs they're already working on twenty twenty six. Wow, it's
a year. It's a year ahead. All those years that
I was a coach, you know, it was a year ahead.
And now as a coach, you don't start until your
season's over. Also, but your scouting departments they're always a
year ahead. So the things that we get are things
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that you can look off of tape. That's why I
spend the whole week at the Combine and Lucas Oil
watching all these drills, talking to all the position coaches.
You know, do that. The thing that I miss from
the three decades that I was coaching is I don't
get to talk to these players now, like we're sitting
here talking with one another, you know, don't get to
interview them. And I don't get to go to school workouts.
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I don't do that. I just don't have time. I
can't do that. That's a huge piece of this puzzle now,
you know. And also the thirty visits that you set up.
All this stuff that we're doing right now is extremely important.
But those face to face interviews as you're narrowing down
people that you think that you might want to take
and it runs the gamut of all of them, that's
what that's We don't get to do that, but we
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can dive into, you know, the particulars, the ret nuggets
that he digs out. I mean, teams hire people to
go out and do this, three hundred days a year
to do this. He's really good at this. I've watched
tape and know how to evaluate tape. I've learned in
a lot of years, you know, doing this.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
So anyway, that's what we're doing and I'm excited. I'm
excited to hear your guys' lists, and Rhett, I would
like for you to kick this off. I would like
to hear some of your top safeties in this upcoming draft.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Couple three that I really like that are certainly at
the top of the Macrett board. Malachi Starks from Georgia
six feet seven eights inches, one ninety seven hands nine
and a half arm, thirty one and five eighths wing
almost seventy nine star safety in that defense. And these
guys that I'm mentioned you're gonna hear a lot about
and you have seen a lot because especially with the
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twelve team college football playoff, they played a lot of football. Right.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Can I stopped this a minute?
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Yep?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
For ot people, she's worried, why why? This is exactly
what you do in draft meetings.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Oh, that's a good point.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
That's exactly what you do in draft meetings. In other words,
who's ever in charge it will sit up there and say, okay, rhet,
give me your safeties. And then that's why you write reports.
And so then everybody else puts everything down. They sit
and listen to your report because that's the time that
you can. So this is exactly what goes on in
draft rooms in the prep for this. Now, the discussions
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who's who and the zoo those types of things that
takes place later. But the thing that you're doing now
that rehtt started out reading all that's the first thing
that happens nowadays. What they do they put it up
on a big screen. Oh yeah, it's a huge screen everything,
but you still read your report. When I first started
doing this a lot of years ago, you couldn't talk
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about a player unless you'd written a report. If you
were in the room and you didn't write a report,
you listened, you didn't talk.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
You don't get a vote.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
None. None. I could tell you some some really bad
stories about anyway, we won't. But this is this is
perfect because this is exactly what goes on in a
in a in a pre draft meetings where the head
of the department you say, rent, give me your safeties.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I'm the head of the department.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Now you are the head of the department.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Keep going, rep I thought something was on fire, so
that was a lot better than what I thought was
about to happen.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Malachi tested pretty well at the combine four to five
oh and the forty first ten yards one five to
one uh three condrill seven two six thirty three inch
vertical leap, but a very important part of that Bulldog's defense,
and that's why he's in one of the top pods
in our board. Another guy that played a lot of
college football and for the Notre Dame Fighting Irish's is
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Avier Watts five eleven and three quarters two hundred and
four pounds, hands eight and five eighths, arm thirty one
and a quarter, wing seventy one and a half. Now,
he did not test at the Combine. Again, played a
lot of college football, being that deep into the college
football playoffs with twelve teams involved, Kevin Winston Junior is
still going to be a top prospect people are going
to be looking at coming off of injury. Six to
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one and a half, two point fifteen, hands nine and
a half, thirty two and a half inch arms, winging
eighty and seven eight, So a long prospect there. He
did not test the Combine because he's still coming off
of injury.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Couple of questions here, Malachi Starks, he's a guy who's
known for his versatility. Do you think that that versatility,
in being able to play it at a variety of
different positions is going to have an impact on his
stock with teams?
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Well, yeah, I mean you're talking about playing a star position,
just like we've seen some these guys play the star
coming out of Alabama's defense. I mean your position versatility.
I mean, the more you can do.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Coach mac Well, the star position for for I mean this, this,
this is Nick Saban's defense. And then of course everybody
that's worked for Nick Saban. It's spread throughout, not in
the Southeastern Conference, but but collegiate football, and the Star
position is a hybrid is a hybrid position as a
as a walk away linebacker, walk away linebacker, slash slot defender.
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They're asked to do a lot of things. They're they're
asked to be able to read, uh, you know, to
ken diagnosed runs. They're also asked to cover Manda Man.
They're also asked a lot of times to be able
to roll back into the into the into a half field,
or sometimes rolled back into a post. It's a it's
a very versatile position. That's normally where the best K
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and D or key and diagnosed player on their defense is.
And because of the way the offenses are spread out,
So when you hear someone say he played the Star,
know that his football IQ is probably pretty high.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Kevin Winston, you mentioned coming off of that injury, he's
such a physical player. Is that something that will be
taken into account after you see a guy coming back
from an injury, There's always some question marks. What's he
going to be like? Is he gonna be okay? When's
he gonna be able to contribute all of that stuff.
But when there's such a physical player, does that almost
make up for the other stuff?
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Depends on the injury, And I forget what his injury
is off top of my head right now. But yeah,
I mean, look, you want a guy that puts his
face in the briar patches, Coach Mack would say, right, right,
But but yeah, that is you're you're always looking for
a guy that is not afraid of contact.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
The thing that happens though nowadays that that is so
important for people to understand because modern medicine now, especially
with athletic injuries, is so far advanced. Used to be,
if you if you tore your acl let's just say
this playing football, you were basically done because they opened
you up like Frank Canstein. They you know, I mean
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you had you had a huge zipper from from the
top of your leg all the way down. Then they
put you to immobilize you in a cast. So when
you're that cast came off, all the atrophy had taken place.
It was really it was really close to a death sentence.
Now arthroscrophics, I mean it's incredible for that for the
achilles for a lot, for a lot of these injuries
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now just because of the technological advance in surgical medicine,
it makes it makes a lot of these injuries not
as catastrophic or his career ending as they used to be.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
All right, Mac, let's hear your list. Who are some
of your top safeties to know?
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Nick emm and war from South Carolina, and I mean, now,
this guy is a is a physical freak. Tests off
the chart sixty three two and twenty pounds hand size nine,
which is important. I mean he can grab you and
choke you, which is important. You got thirty two and
a half arm length, wingspan of eighty his combine testing,
he blew the roof off of Lucas Oil. Forty yard
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dash four three eight, which is from a guy that
size a ten yard split. We've talked about ten yards
splits before, as a one four nine, which is which
is in a way elite category. Uh, bench press twenty
reps as a as a big long dude to twenty reps.
So you know he's got really good upper body strength.
Vertical jump of forty three inches, I mean that's NBA stuff,
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and a broad jump of eleven six so you can
talk about a big explosive athlete. He's built like a linebacker.
He's he's got rare fluid movement and speed for a
player of his size. He's really an instant athlete. You
watch him, he's an instant athlete for that size. He
uses his length a lot when he's in when he's
in press coverage. He's a good anticipator. You can, i mean,
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on his breaks and stuff. He's very very quick. He's
he's a he's a quick recon guy. He recognizes stuff
very very well. Of course, with his size, physicality, aim,
he's an excellent, excellent run defender. His tackling is exactly
what you want. Doesn't miss, doesn't miss many tackles, and
he's got to catch radius. And he's got good ball skills.
He's got elaite ball skills. Okay, so what you're looking
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at is a very physically gifted player. If you want
to look at his minuses because of his length, because
of this, he's not you know, sometimes his back pedal
is not as fluid as you would like, but he
won't be backpedaling a lot. As to where you were
going to play him. I say he's built like a linebacker.
You could probably move him around quite a bit as
a defensive signal caller. A guy like this you can
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play against a lot of different personnel groups because he's
big enough and physical enough to be able to drop
down as an overhang backer and play the run against
a twelve personnel which is two tight ends if you
want to do that. Or he can play in space.
Andrew Macouba from Texas five to eleven, one hundred and
eighty six pounds again, arm length of thirty, hand size
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of nine, which is I mean it's important defensively, you
got to have mits so that you can grab these
guys and hold on to them. I mean, wingspan of
seventy five four four five and forty one five to
three with a ten yard split. He he had three
years of experience playing nickel, he switched over to safety.
He's got good range, he makes plays on the ball,
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five interceptions, six pass breakups in twenty twenty four. Good recognition.
He's got a fluid pedal, because now he's five to eleven,
I mean, so center gravity's a lot lower fluid, a
fluid pedal, a good efficient hip transition. He's a transitional
player now. His size, he's pretty average with that size
and a lot of times because of that lack of
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size that he'll get stuck on blocks. But Andrew mccooba
from Texas good solid player. The last one that I've
got is Jonash Sanker from Virginia, six foot, two hundred
and six pounds, nine and three quarter hands. Again, all
of these guys, you know, when you can see they're
tackling is good because they've got big enough mits to
put on you. Arm link thirty two and a quarter
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seventy seven, wingspan four four eight forty thirty six and
a half vertical ten in ten eight broad. So this
is this guy's got good strength. He's got, he's gotta,
he's gonna you look at him personally, he's got he's
pretty muscular, he's pretty defined with his with his bill
one hundred and seventy three solo tackles in twenty twenty three,
which led the FBS. He can keep pace with downfield
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vertical uh stuff. He uses his length, he's got, he's
got a great trigger. A great trigger means he can
transition from back to forward and get into the fray
pretty pretty quickly. Sometimes with with really fluid receivers. He's
a little bit sticky, you know, you know at times
with his movement and then he he comes in a bit,
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He's a little comes in sometimes with his angles a
little bit hot. He's a little bit reckless with those
angles sometimes. But uh uh, like the player, there will
be a place for him in somebody's defense.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Mac with so many guys with impressive physical attributes, does
that just come down to a kind of a defensive
coordinators and a coach of flavor of what they're looking
for to fit into their scheme.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
There's a difference between playing in the post, being the
middle of the field safety, being a too deep safety,
or being a guy as some of these guys we've
talked about that can transition from back to front to
move down. So yeah, I mean, it depends what defensive
coaches want, Aimy, because as much as as offenses change
personnel groups, that's why when you hear me broadcasting the game,
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I'm always telling you the personnel groups that the offense
has put into plays down, you know, down by down
by down, play by play by play, because defensive coaches
have to match personnel. As a defensive coach, you're reacting
to matching personnel with what the offense is putting on
the field. So the more guys that you have defensively,
especially in the back end, that have multiple things that
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they can do, the less people you're going to have
to substitute, and the more that you can you can
call defenses as to where guys can do multiple things,
You're doing what we call same ass same as defensively.
You may be playing with some different against different personnel,
but your responsibilities can kind of mail together and be
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the same.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Reht. I don't want to blow past any good ret nuggets.
So if there's anything you hear and for the ot people,
just a reminder of ret nugget is a good piece
of backstory or information that gives you a fuller picture
of who this person is and what that makes them
unique or remarkably good or bad. That is a ret nugget.
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Delivery fees apply. Now back to the OTP. Let's move
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on to corners, because I feel like we're in a
very good kind of dB space and I want to
stick with that. Rhett, who is on your list of
corners that we should be looking out for.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
There's a couple of corners that there's an argument about
about who's the best one in this class and there
are some there some good ones. A couple of guys
at the top. One is Will Johnson from Michigan. Now
he's one of the holdovers from the national championship team
of a year ago with ay Head, What do we
have eighteen guys that were draft eligible last year, and
of course Ohio State has that run this year. But
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Will Johnson one of the bigger corners in this draft.
Six one and three quarters, one ninety four hands, nine
and one eight thirty and one eighth inch arms seventy
five and seven eighths inch wingspan. He did not test
at the Combine. There's conflicting reports about what his film
took a little step backwards in twenty twenty four, but
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he's certainly somebody that's going to be mentioned in Night
one of the draft. And then a guy that a
lot of people argue is one of the best corners
in this draft is John A. Barron from Texas five
ten to three quarters, one hundred ninety four pounds, nine
and a half inch hands, arms twenty nine and five
eights wing seventy four. So he's not real long lever,
as coach Mack would say, but he tested off the
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charts a four to three nine forty one and a
half seconds in his first ten thirty five inch vertical leap,
ten to three broad jump. And again, another guy in
the college football playoffs made plays consistently for the Longhorns.
And then the couple of the other ones that I've
got in here as Aarrea Thomas from Florida State six
one and a half, one ninety seven ten inch hands wow, yeah,
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mits thirty two and three eight inch arms, seventy eight
inch wingspan. The only thing he did to combine was
a broad jump at ten to two. But all you
got to do is look at the film and you
can see a big physical corner in that. And then
a guy that we like for later on in the process,
probably a Day three prospect, Quincy Riley five ten and
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five eighths one four eight and a half inch hands,
thirty one inch arms, seventy five inch wing four four
eight forty one five to four in the first ten
and talking about a guy that is very much like
our current Tennessee Titan in this he is cut from
the same kind of cloth.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Riley is gonna be in the lower part of the draft,
but he's not a He's not a lower tier player, correct.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
But yeah, if you like Jarvis Browne, and we all do,
I like him this time last year, you're gonna like
Quincy Riley. That that's the He's just an even more
intense version of Jarvis Brownlee. So we have been told
and kind of how he's been displayed.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Well, you if you watch him, I mean you watching
watch him at the Senior Bowl, and so I mean
we'll see again, We're not we're not trying to tell
anybody who the Titans are gonna draft.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
No, we're just.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
The other thing too. For our OT people. Anytime you
hear us talk about ten yard splits, especially in these
skill positions, anything that said that has a five after
the one is really good. Okay, is really good. C
J two K was in the fours, you know, because
I mean that's that's elite of elite. But anything with
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one five in it as far as the ten, as
far as we're talking about instant burst. So just so
you know, that's the range you're looking at.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
And there's some guys we'll go through these positions that
have those numbers in the one point four US.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
That's crazy, all right, Mac, who's on your list?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Well? For Travis Haunter from Colorado.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Yes, of course.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
To me, I mean this guy, I mean just his
physical measurements. He's six foot, he's one hundred and eighty
eight pounds. May have played this year at a lighter
weight than that, hand size nine and an eighth and
nearly thirty two two inch arms, wingspans seventy five and
a half. This guy when you watch him, when you
watch him on tape, of course, he played one hundred
and four snaps a game. So if you want to
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watch somebody play, he got a lot of stuff to watch.
But his his ability, his his leaping ability, and his
his hand extension and his ability to keep his to
keep the water in his bucket when the ball is thrown.
Playing a defensive back is elite. He's got elite explosiveness,
his change of direction and his burst is really really good.
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His recognition of plays is top level. He is a
He's a really instinctive, instinctive player. His foot quickness and
his lower body of fluidity is something that you really
really watch. He's an effortless player as far as his bend.
He's as smooth as silk with all of his all
of his physical movements, his eye discipline, I mean, he
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can recognize things. To me, if this is what he
wants to be, he's a number one corner in my
humble opinion, which doesn't matter. I'm not drafting anybody anymore.
But this guy, this guy is is elite because his
physical ability is rare.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
If he wants to be, meaning, if he chooses that
as his primary role.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Well, whoever drafts him.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Right, because I guess they picked well.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
But he will have a say because this is a
this is a rare guy. I mean the guy that
he's played for his entire career, whether he's at Jackson
State or where there's at Colorado. Deon Sanders was rare.
He played corner at a high level. He also played
receiver when they wanted to use him as that he
was a punt returner. And then while he was just resting,
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he'd go play professional baseball. So I mean just I mean,
and and play it well. So you're talking about, you know,
rare athlete, but this guy, when you watch him, he's
an exceptional athlete. Exceptional. Next guy, Chavon Ravel from East
Carolina six' two one ninety four nearly not in five eighth.
Hands that's a big. Paw that's a big. Paw amy
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that's about two years the arm length thirty two and
five eights, wingspan sitting down in a, QUARTER i mean
he was at the. Combine of course he didn't work
out because he was, injured but just watching, him he's
a really good friend Of Quincy. Riley he was recruited
by the secondary coach that Was quincy's coach At. Louisville
just looking at him physically standing down, there on the
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floor Of Lucas. Oil this guy is. Imposing he's got AN.
Acl he had AN acl early early in this. Season
but when you go back to watch his other other,
tape he's got good. Speed he's light on his. FEET
i mean he can play the ball down the. FIELD
i mean he's really good at the catch. Point he's
got a, big big. Radius this guy is processing really.
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Well and here's the other. Thing for his, size he
moves like a guy that's not that. Big he moves
really really. Well he would be a top five player
in this draft if he hadn't hurt THAT.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Acl Schevon, Revelle he's. Right if he didn't have THE,
acl he would be very highly taken in This he
could still be taken in the first, round just because
the measurables and the athletic part of it is off
the charts toward THE. Acl in Late, september had Surgery october.
Fifteenth surgeon put out a memo to teams just prior
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to the combine saying he will be cleared the, summer
so rock and.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Roll next dude Is Maxwell harriston From kentucky five, eleven
one eighty, three eight and three quarters hands arm link thirty,
one wingspan seventy. Five really liked this guy when we
were at The Senior bowl just watching, him and then
he goes to the combine and blows the doors off
Of he really does is forty was a four to
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two eight vertical jump thirty nine and a half broad
jump ten. Nine those are, elite elite lower body explosion and.
SPEED i, mean it's just. Elite this guy had six
interceptions and eight pass breakups in the last season and a.
Half his plant and drive for the football is. Elite
we talk about short area burst in, fluidity really, good really.
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GOOD i mean he stood. Out he stood out to
me at The Senior bowl Before i'd even watched any
tape on. Him and then you start looking at him
talk about oily. Hips this guy's got. Him i'm gotta loose.
Hips he can. Transition he had a shoulder injury in
twenty twenty. Four that's a red. Nugget i'll Let ret
go on. THAT i don't want to be a doctor
at reht's a.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Doctor, no no one's ever said that till right, now
and that is not. True but, yeah he missed five
games with a shoulder and that was why it was
important for him to accept the invitation to The Senior
bowl and did very well there and then doubled down
on it and really tested well at The. Combine and
so now that they see that that shoulder is not an,
Issue i'm sure the medical stuff probably worked out. Fine
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he wouldn't have put up those kinds of numbers if
there was something going on with, THAT i would. Think but,
yeah he golly, wow he is he? Fast Holy, moses
you think.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Fast he's a quick. Dude, yeah he's a quick, dude
and he can he can. Play, now he's not going
to be a physically imposing, guy but he's going to be,
very very in phase with, receivers all. Right next guy
Is Jacob perish From Kansas. State five nine one ninety.
One hand size of nine thirty and seven, eighths arm,
length wing span of seventy five four three five in
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the forty ten yards split one five to one thirty
seven and a. Half vertical broad jump of ten. Nine this,
guy he's a sticky, man the man. Guy he's a violent.
Player he'll take some false steps at, times but not very.
Many he can he can mirror. Match when you talk
about mirror, match he can stay in phase with receivers
without much problem at. All he's a quick twitch, guy
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plays the ball. ACCURATELY i didn't know he was that.
Fast he's going to be drafted fairly. High and then
what he did at the. Combine just the things THAT
i read off match with what you see on.
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i think we should continue on to, linebackers shall.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
We we're making our way up towards the line of, scrimmage.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Yeh telling you what we are going from back to. Front,
here we're moving up towards that line of. Scrimmage you're, right.
RHTT i would love to hear your list of linebackers
Because i'm guessing it's pretty.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Legit, yeah there's some good off ball linebackers in this,
draft AND i think the top of the class Is
Jehad campbell From. Alabama nearly six, three two hundred and
thirty five, pounds hands ten and a half thirty two
and a half inch, arms eighty inch. Wingspan tested in
what he, did did nice at almost sixty three and
two thirty five four five two and the forty one
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five three in the first ten yards ten seven broad.
Jump and the thing about him that is going to
make it attractive obviously he played In alabama in the,
defense but his versatility to be able to play off
ball linebacker and to also be an edge pass, rusher
which he has both done at a high level at that.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Program As rehetz, said this is a superb, athlete sub
track guy in high.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
School, ah, yes.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
But he doesn't have a lot of time on task
as an off ball.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Linebacker he was an edge pass rusher mostly and then.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Moving the reason they moved him is he was playing
with two number one picks on the edge At. Alabama,
yeah so they moved him back behind the. Ball so
right now HIS k AND d is not natural back.
THERE i, mean you can watch and see now once
he sees, it and he can get. THERE i, mean
this guy is, long he's, fast he's. Violent whoever takes,
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him if they start to develop him and he is,
versatile you're gonna be able to move him outside and
still rush. Him but just with a little time on,
task learning how to read the center guard, triangle training
his eyes of what it is behind the. Ball this
is this is a superb. Athlete but if you were
going to look at somebody right now and, SAY i
mean he understands all the nuances of playing behind the,
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ball it's. Not it's not the case because he just
doesn't have a lot of time on. Task BUT i
love the, athlete.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
And with that in, mind still registered seventy tackles nine
and a half for lost three and a half sacks
in the twenty twenty four. Seasons, wow athlete for.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Sure, project but not a big. Project no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
No there's this kind of project you. Want this is
the house is nearly. Finished you just need to maybe
put a coat of pain on. It so take.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Care, yeah hinges.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Exactly, yeah the drawer pulls right. Exactly Barrett carter From
clemson six foot almost six y one there two thirty one,
hands nine and a quarter, arm thirty two and one
eights wing almost seventy. Nine he is going to be
somebody that you're gonna hear in nine two probably in
all of, this maybe late night. TOO a couple of
other guys that have my Attention Chris Paul junior From,
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Ole miss almost six to one two twenty two nine
and three eight inch, hands, uh seventy six inch. Wing
he ran four six three uh in the forty one
sixty two in the first ten thirty six inch vertical,
leap nine to nine in the broad and, uh you're
you're talking about a guy that you know a successful career.
There uh with the with the old. Miss the guy
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THAT i keep bringing up THAT i really like Is
Demetrius Knight junior Of South carolina six to one just
under six two two thirty five, hands ten inches wing
eighty and a half and. Uh the testing good four
five eight and the forty one to five eight in
the first, ten seven to one to two in the
three cone thirty one and a half inch vert twenty
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two reps at two twenty. Five and he's the guy
that was he moved from his late high school career
as as a an athletic move quarterback to moving to
this position on. Defense oh. Wow and so he went
four years At Georgia tech trying to learn all that
went one year At charlotte and that was WHERE i told, you,
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Guys ret nugget time here that he's. Married he has
a little boy it's about seven months, old a daughter
that's a little about nearly two years. Old and so,
yes put food on the. Table so after games At,
charlotte not a lot of nil money At, charlotte so
he's driving For Uber eats and making extra money to
put food on the. Table then he gets an opportunity
to hit the transfer, portal goes To South, carolina has
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a really nice year. There you talk about a guy
that he's an older, prospect but a grown man with
a family and knows he's got to put food on the.
Table he'll play for.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
You, yeah that's a Good ret. Nugget that was a great.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
One rhet's always got.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Nuggets, yeah all, Right, mac you're the linebackers coach, here,
love but what you Got.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Carson schweissinger FROM. Ucla all, right this is six two
and a, half two hundred and forty two, pounds big,
hands over nine inch. Hands arm length is thirty two
thirty two, inches good wingspan seventy eight and three quarters
thirty nine and a half. Vertical this guy's a quick trigger.
Guy now when you're looking at, him his pursuit range is.
Excellent he's got a good. Speed he's got a QUICK
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k AND D k AND d is key in. Diagnosed
he's very quick with. That he gets ahead of. Blocks
and you get ahead of blocks by being able to
have your eyes in the right place early because if
you if you wait to figure out to try to
get on the, blocks you're already behind. You always always
try to tell my guys get ahead of the blocks
by all the information you process before the ball is.
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Snapped he can do. That he's fast, enough you, know
to to run deep if he has. To he's a little.
Undersized his, anchor we've talked about anchor before taking something
on straight, ahead is he doesn't have a real strong.
Anchor he'll get bounced out of his gaps a lot of.
Times but his ability to, cover which because a guy
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behind the. Ball, nowadays the space linebackers are. Important they're
asked to cover whether you're playing manners. ON i Think
Carson swetzinger is a, guy and especially with his with
his key and diagnosability is really. Good being to.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
See and understand what's going on and react accordingly has
to make up for some of the physical, things.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Right, well the thing about playing linebacker is And I've
i've coached all sizes and shapes of, linebackers but the
one thing THAT i always started, with you, know WHEN
i was vetting, them or when you, know WHEN i
was sitting down with one before the, draft you, KNOW
i would put on their tape AND i would ask,
them what are you looking at? Here what are you seeing?
Here because you've got to get your eyes trained. First
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you've got to learn as a. Linebacker it's like driving
with your headlights on dim or driving with your head
lights on. Bright you've got to be able to expand
your vision because the more that you can read that
center guard triangle and relate it to what's going on
out here and be able to process that with your film,
Study you've got to get ahead of the play because
if you're playing pass and run fifty to fifty on
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every step as a linebacker at this, level you're. Behind
so you've got to be able to process that. Quickly
the next one Is Danny stutsman From. Oklahoma six three
two thirty three nine and nine inch, hands wingspan of
seventy nine four to five two of the forty a
one to five to two ten yards, split thirty four inch.
Vertical you watch, him you see him in, person looks
like AN nfl. Linebacker he's got lateral, quickness his, speed
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his four to five two that's pretty average pursuit. Speed
his quickness makes up for that a little. Bit but
he's got a good, anchor his stopping. Power when he hits,
you he stops, you all. RIGHT i like that about.
Him and he uses his length a lot of time
to initiate. Contact and When i'm looking at, linebackers the
one thing in the collegiate. Game they've only got twenty
hours to coach these guys and you're working in, scheme
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you're working this is they all have to. LEARN i,
MEAN i keep going back to guys that people might.
Know i've had a lot of linebackers in my, career
but they all have to learn how to use their
hands to shock and shit and use their, arms use their.
Length and he does. That he does that better than.
Most his processing speed can can speed, UP i, think
BUT i like him because he's played behind the ball
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a lot and he's got he's got some time on
task doing. That Jeffrey bassa From oregon sixty, one two thirty.
Two he's a former safety night in a quarter hands
seventy eight and three. Quarters so he's got good wingspan
four six three in the forty thirty eight and a
half vertical broad jump of nine. Ten he's got some
short area quick. Explosion he's got a seven point three
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four three cone, drill which is that's right on the.
Edge you got to be a pretty GOOD k AND
d guy to be able to, play to be able
to play with. That now he's got good, pursuit he
can close on. It his, INSTINCTS i think in athleticism
will probably lend him to be a sub package guy right,
now a special team sub package. Guy he keeps his
composure at the catch. Point he doesn't, panic he can
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HOLD i, say hold your, water keeps the water in
his bucket when he's going up looking looking for the,
ball and so he's got a stiff punch on. Him
so HE'LL i think to, me he'll be drafted somewhere
in the lower part of. This he is a converted,
safety but he's a, decent decent space. Player he'll be
a sub player.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Somewhere if a player can't hold their, water what?
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Happens he gets.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Tennesties, oh rat the.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Ball the ball is. Complete see a lot of, GUYS
a lot of guys can get. There but then there's
a there's a moment of truth when the receiver is
going up at the catch point and the ball is.
Released a lot of guys panic and either get behind
or they grab or they do. This holding your water
means you're able to keep the water in your, bucket
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keep it steady so you don't, spill you, KNOW i
mean you're you're you're able to complete the.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Task, okay, yeah that makes.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Sense Jack kaiser From Notre dame six two two thirty
one nine inch hands seventy seven wingspan ninety. Tackles this
guy's around the ball a lot to force. FUMBLES i,
mean he's got good. Instincts he's an instinctive. Player he's
a reliable. Tackler he has experienced playing all three linebacker
positions In Notre dame's. Defense he played the mic which
is the middle, linebacker played the, sam which is to
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the tight end, side played the, will which is is
to the open. Side and he's a he's a core
special teamer probably what he's going to be already out
in this. League BUT i liked him just watching him
blitz and. Stuff it's a pretty savvy.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Player dude played a lot of football in twenty twenty.
Four because we know as deep as that thing, went
played sixteen. Games it's a lot Rookie wall should be
nothing to.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Him, yeah read it seems like there's a lot of
depth in this draft at the linebacker. Position is that?
Speaker 3 (37:20):
CORRECT i think it's. Decent, YEAH i think it.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Is depends on what flavor you're. Looking there's a lot
of different. Ones, okay they're. DIFFERENT i don't think you
can categorize. THIS i mean the guys THAT i read,
off you know WHEN i WHEN i say, that you
know they're probably going to be a core teamer coming.
In they're probably going. There there are a lot of different, types,
okay of, linebackers and you've got you've got you, know
guys have been converted from the edge to back behind the.
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Ball there are guys that are you, know really good
athletes that may not be as good AS k AND d,
guys so that there's a lot of different.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Types pick your flavor Like Baskin.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Robbins and there's more than thirty one in this. Deal
there you got two hundred and fifty seven will be
chosen over, those.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
All, right you. Guys we did, safeties we did, corners
we did. Linebackers ladies and, gentlemen these are your position.
Previews those is.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Fun, yes let's do some.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
More let's do. More how about next time we talk
a little defensive line and maybe throwing some. Dressure it's
just her.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
FUN i like.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
That we can do it all.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Right for coach Mac Rett, Brian I'm Amy. Wells thank
you for joining.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Us for.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Oh my, gosh WHAT i keep thinking something's on.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Fire, no, okay, look here's the next thing we're going to.
Do before we, EVER i WANT i want to get
some measure tape in here and measure your hand because
every time we talk about hand, size you put your
hand down on a piece of. Paper you want.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
To, KNOW i want to know how you want to know?
Exactly BUT i know paper is eight and a half by,
Eleven so if it's thumb to, PINKY i can kind
of get an idea based on.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
The.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
PAPERS i knew she was a measure. It measure. It
you don't get you don't do.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
It who holds?
Speaker 2 (39:10):
It she? DOES i don't get to measure your own.
Hand take it flat on the, table the, ticket flat
on the.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Table oh my hands.
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Eight eight?
Speaker 2 (39:25):
It that's a big hand it.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
IS i played piano for four.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
YEARS i made measured. Again let me let me be
sure that is no wait a, minute, pink that's exactly
how you stretch it. Out, OH i can almost get a.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Quarter that's eight and a.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Quarter thank, You. Ashley that that. Hurts that's so. Good. Quarter,
well that's what we're saying next time we get on.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Here right there you.
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Go this is why your hands.
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Are bigger Than kenny pickets.
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Me and most Of. AMERICA i.
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Think all right for this.
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Edition THE o T.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
P I'm Amy.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Wells That's Red, brian that's Coach. Mac thank you for tuning.
In we will see you next step
This is the OTP. I'm Amy Wells, and I am
joined by draft gurus Ret Brian and coach mac Dave McGinnis.
We are getting ready for the twenty twenty five NFL Draft.
You guys have spent months watching tape, sifting through numbers
and measurements and workouts and all of these statistics. You
have gathered stories and interesting little nuggets, and now is
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the time to put all this information together like this
is it? The draft is in days and I would
like to create for the ot people a one stop
shop where they can get all of the information about
the top prospects at each position in the NFL Draft
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and they can do without information what they like. But
I but you know, obviously the goal of the OTP
is to keep everybody informed, make sure they know who's
who in the zoo, make sure we know what is
going on. And so you guys are here and I
have asked you to put together a list of your
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guys's top prospects at each position, and you so graciously
did it, and so I would like to roll through that.
Are you guys cool with us?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Let's go, let's go. We share your before we get started,
and in word, this is This is a lot of
work that we've done and we're still in the process
of putting our draft board together, which it always changes.
But we're not talking about prospects here that we think
the Titans are going to take. No, we're we are
just this. This is an overview of who's out there,
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and it's not only the top people you ask us
just to go through because the draft is not just
about the first round, and especially in this draft, Amy,
and I know you're well versed in this. You were
at the combine for the whole time too. This is
a really strong what you call belly of the draft
with these you know a lot of players that won't
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be first round picks. There's only thirty two first round picks,
but there's two hundred and seventy nine players taken, So
we're going to cover a gamut of players. Not saying
these are the people the Titans are gonna take, but
just in what we've done so far, these are the
guys a little bit to kind of stick out to us.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
These are the names that you can throw out at
a party and sound like you know what's going on, and.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Not only sound like you will know what you're going on, and.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
We really like that. I do want to pull back
the curtain just a hair. When do you guys start
working on this?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
We started, We started about six days after the season
was over.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Whoa, I've been working every week since.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Since, I mean mid January.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Yeah, well that's and look, the real draft preparation for
clubs they're already working on twenty twenty six. Wow, it's
a year. It's a year ahead. All those years that
I was a coach, you know, it was a year ahead.
And now as a coach, you don't start until your
season's over. Also, but your scouting departments they're always a
year ahead. So the things that we get are things
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that you can look off of tape. That's why I
spend the whole week at the Combine and Lucas Oil
watching all these drills, talking to all the position coaches.
You know, do that. The thing that I miss from
the three decades that I was coaching is I don't
get to talk to these players now, like we're sitting
here talking with one another, you know, don't get to
interview them. And I don't get to go to school workouts.
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I don't do that. I just don't have time. I
can't do that. That's a huge piece of this puzzle now,
you know. And also the thirty visits that you set up.
All this stuff that we're doing right now is extremely important.
But those face to face interviews as you're narrowing down
people that you think that you might want to take
and it runs the gamut of all of them, that's
what that's We don't get to do that, but we
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can dive into, you know, the particulars, the ret nuggets
that he digs out. I mean, teams hire people to
go out and do this, three hundred days a year
to do this. He's really good at this. I've watched
tape and know how to evaluate tape. I've learned in
a lot of years, you know, doing this.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
So anyway, that's what we're doing and I'm excited. I'm
excited to hear your guys' lists, and Rhett, I would
like for you to kick this off. I would like
to hear some of your top safeties in this upcoming draft.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Couple three that I really like that are certainly at
the top of the Macrett board. Malachi Starks from Georgia
six feet seven eights inches, one ninety seven hands nine
and a half arm, thirty one and five eighths wing
almost seventy nine star safety in that defense. And these
guys that I'm mentioned you're gonna hear a lot about
and you have seen a lot because especially with the
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twelve team college football playoff, they played a lot of football. Right.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Can I stopped this a minute?
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Yep?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
For ot people, she's worried, why why? This is exactly
what you do in draft meetings.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Oh, that's a good point.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
That's exactly what you do in draft meetings. In other words,
who's ever in charge it will sit up there and say, okay, rhet,
give me your safeties. And then that's why you write reports.
And so then everybody else puts everything down. They sit
and listen to your report because that's the time that
you can. So this is exactly what goes on in
draft rooms in the prep for this. Now, the discussions
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who's who and the zoo those types of things that
takes place later. But the thing that you're doing now
that rehtt started out reading all that's the first thing
that happens nowadays. What they do they put it up
on a big screen. Oh yeah, it's a huge screen everything,
but you still read your report. When I first started
doing this a lot of years ago, you couldn't talk
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about a player unless you'd written a report. If you
were in the room and you didn't write a report,
you listened, you didn't talk.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
You don't get a vote.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
None. None. I could tell you some some really bad
stories about anyway, we won't. But this is this is
perfect because this is exactly what goes on in a
in a in a pre draft meetings where the head
of the department you say, rent, give me your safeties.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I'm the head of the department.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Now you are the head of the department.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Keep going, rep I thought something was on fire, so
that was a lot better than what I thought was
about to happen.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Malachi tested pretty well at the combine four to five
oh and the forty first ten yards one five to
one uh three condrill seven two six thirty three inch
vertical leap, but a very important part of that Bulldog's defense,
and that's why he's in one of the top pods
in our board. Another guy that played a lot of
college football and for the Notre Dame Fighting Irish's is
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Avier Watts five eleven and three quarters two hundred and
four pounds, hands eight and five eighths, arm thirty one
and a quarter, wing seventy one and a half. Now,
he did not test at the Combine. Again, played a
lot of college football, being that deep into the college
football playoffs with twelve teams involved, Kevin Winston Junior is
still going to be a top prospect people are going
to be looking at coming off of injury. Six to
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one and a half, two point fifteen, hands nine and
a half, thirty two and a half inch arms, winging
eighty and seven eight, So a long prospect there. He
did not test the Combine because he's still coming off
of injury.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Couple of questions here, Malachi Starks, he's a guy who's
known for his versatility. Do you think that that versatility,
in being able to play it at a variety of
different positions is going to have an impact on his
stock with teams?
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Well, yeah, I mean you're talking about playing a star position,
just like we've seen some these guys play the star
coming out of Alabama's defense. I mean your position versatility.
I mean, the more you can do.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Coach mac Well, the star position for for I mean this, this,
this is Nick Saban's defense. And then of course everybody
that's worked for Nick Saban. It's spread throughout, not in
the Southeastern Conference, but but collegiate football, and the Star
position is a hybrid is a hybrid position as a
as a walk away linebacker, walk away linebacker, slash slot defender.
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They're asked to do a lot of things. They're they're
asked to be able to read, uh, you know, to
ken diagnosed runs. They're also asked to cover Manda Man.
They're also asked a lot of times to be able
to roll back into the into the into a half field,
or sometimes rolled back into a post. It's a it's
a very versatile position. That's normally where the best K
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and D or key and diagnosed player on their defense is.
And because of the way the offenses are spread out,
So when you hear someone say he played the Star,
know that his football IQ is probably pretty high.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Kevin Winston, you mentioned coming off of that injury, he's
such a physical player. Is that something that will be
taken into account after you see a guy coming back
from an injury, There's always some question marks. What's he
going to be like? Is he gonna be okay? When's
he gonna be able to contribute all of that stuff.
But when there's such a physical player, does that almost
make up for the other stuff?
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Depends on the injury, And I forget what his injury
is off top of my head right now. But yeah,
I mean, look, you want a guy that puts his
face in the briar patches, Coach Mack would say, right, right,
But but yeah, that is you're you're always looking for
a guy that is not afraid of contact.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
The thing that happens though nowadays that that is so
important for people to understand because modern medicine now, especially
with athletic injuries, is so far advanced. Used to be,
if you if you tore your acl let's just say
this playing football, you were basically done because they opened
you up like Frank Canstein. They you know, I mean
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you had you had a huge zipper from from the
top of your leg all the way down. Then they
put you to immobilize you in a cast. So when
you're that cast came off, all the atrophy had taken place.
It was really it was really close to a death sentence.
Now arthroscrophics, I mean it's incredible for that for the
achilles for a lot, for a lot of these injuries
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now just because of the technological advance in surgical medicine,
it makes it makes a lot of these injuries not
as catastrophic or his career ending as they used to be.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
All right, Mac, let's hear your list. Who are some
of your top safeties to know?
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Nick emm and war from South Carolina, and I mean, now,
this guy is a is a physical freak. Tests off
the chart sixty three two and twenty pounds hand size nine,
which is important. I mean he can grab you and
choke you, which is important. You got thirty two and
a half arm length, wingspan of eighty his combine testing,
he blew the roof off of Lucas Oil. Forty yard
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dash four three eight, which is from a guy that
size a ten yard split. We've talked about ten yards
splits before, as a one four nine, which is which
is in a way elite category. Uh, bench press twenty
reps as a as a big long dude to twenty reps.
So you know he's got really good upper body strength.
Vertical jump of forty three inches, I mean that's NBA stuff,
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and a broad jump of eleven six so you can
talk about a big explosive athlete. He's built like a linebacker.
He's he's got rare fluid movement and speed for a
player of his size. He's really an instant athlete. You
watch him, he's an instant athlete for that size. He
uses his length a lot when he's in when he's
in press coverage. He's a good anticipator. You can, i mean,
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on his breaks and stuff. He's very very quick. He's
he's a he's a quick recon guy. He recognizes stuff
very very well. Of course, with his size, physicality, aim,
he's an excellent, excellent run defender. His tackling is exactly
what you want. Doesn't miss, doesn't miss many tackles, and
he's got to catch radius. And he's got good ball skills.
He's got elaite ball skills. Okay, so what you're looking
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at is a very physically gifted player. If you want
to look at his minuses because of his length, because
of this, he's not you know, sometimes his back pedal
is not as fluid as you would like, but he
won't be backpedaling a lot. As to where you were
going to play him. I say he's built like a linebacker.
You could probably move him around quite a bit as
a defensive signal caller. A guy like this you can
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play against a lot of different personnel groups because he's
big enough and physical enough to be able to drop
down as an overhang backer and play the run against
a twelve personnel which is two tight ends if you
want to do that. Or he can play in space.
Andrew Macouba from Texas five to eleven, one hundred and
eighty six pounds again, arm length of thirty, hand size
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of nine, which is I mean it's important defensively, you
got to have mits so that you can grab these
guys and hold on to them. I mean, wingspan of
seventy five four four five and forty one five to
three with a ten yard split. He he had three
years of experience playing nickel, he switched over to safety.
He's got good range, he makes plays on the ball,
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five interceptions, six pass breakups in twenty twenty four. Good recognition.
He's got a fluid pedal, because now he's five to eleven,
I mean, so center gravity's a lot lower fluid, a
fluid pedal, a good efficient hip transition. He's a transitional
player now. His size, he's pretty average with that size
and a lot of times because of that lack of
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size that he'll get stuck on blocks. But Andrew mccooba
from Texas good solid player. The last one that I've
got is Jonash Sanker from Virginia, six foot, two hundred
and six pounds, nine and three quarter hands. Again, all
of these guys, you know, when you can see they're
tackling is good because they've got big enough mits to
put on you. Arm link thirty two and a quarter
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seventy seven, wingspan four four eight forty thirty six and
a half vertical ten in ten eight broad. So this
is this guy's got good strength. He's got, he's gotta,
he's gonna you look at him personally, he's got he's
pretty muscular, he's pretty defined with his with his bill
one hundred and seventy three solo tackles in twenty twenty three,
which led the FBS. He can keep pace with downfield
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vertical uh stuff. He uses his length, he's got, he's
got a great trigger. A great trigger means he can
transition from back to forward and get into the fray
pretty pretty quickly. Sometimes with with really fluid receivers. He's
a little bit sticky, you know, you know at times
with his movement and then he he comes in a bit,
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He's a little comes in sometimes with his angles a
little bit hot. He's a little bit reckless with those
angles sometimes. But uh uh, like the player, there will
be a place for him in somebody's defense.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Mac with so many guys with impressive physical attributes, does
that just come down to a kind of a defensive
coordinators and a coach of flavor of what they're looking
for to fit into their scheme.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
There's a difference between playing in the post, being the
middle of the field safety, being a too deep safety,
or being a guy as some of these guys we've
talked about that can transition from back to front to
move down. So yeah, I mean, it depends what defensive
coaches want, Aimy, because as much as as offenses change
personnel groups, that's why when you hear me broadcasting the game,
(15:25):
I'm always telling you the personnel groups that the offense
has put into plays down, you know, down by down
by down, play by play by play, because defensive coaches
have to match personnel. As a defensive coach, you're reacting
to matching personnel with what the offense is putting on
the field. So the more guys that you have defensively,
especially in the back end, that have multiple things that
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they can do, the less people you're going to have
to substitute, and the more that you can you can
call defenses as to where guys can do multiple things,
You're doing what we call same ass same as defensively.
You may be playing with some different against different personnel,
but your responsibilities can kind of mail together and be
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the same.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Reht. I don't want to blow past any good ret nuggets.
So if there's anything you hear and for the ot people,
just a reminder of ret nugget is a good piece
of backstory or information that gives you a fuller picture
of who this person is and what that makes them
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on to corners, because I feel like we're in a
very good kind of dB space and I want to
stick with that. Rhett, who is on your list of
corners that we should be looking out for.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
There's a couple of corners that there's an argument about
about who's the best one in this class and there
are some there some good ones. A couple of guys
at the top. One is Will Johnson from Michigan. Now
he's one of the holdovers from the national championship team
of a year ago with ay Head, What do we
have eighteen guys that were draft eligible last year, and
of course Ohio State has that run this year. But
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Will Johnson one of the bigger corners in this draft.
Six one and three quarters, one ninety four hands, nine
and one eight thirty and one eighth inch arms seventy
five and seven eighths inch wingspan. He did not test
at the Combine. There's conflicting reports about what his film
took a little step backwards in twenty twenty four, but
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he's certainly somebody that's going to be mentioned in Night
one of the draft. And then a guy that a
lot of people argue is one of the best corners
in this draft is John A. Barron from Texas five
ten to three quarters, one hundred ninety four pounds, nine
and a half inch hands, arms twenty nine and five
eights wing seventy four. So he's not real long lever,
as coach Mack would say, but he tested off the
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charts a four to three nine forty one and a
half seconds in his first ten thirty five inch vertical leap,
ten to three broad jump. And again, another guy in
the college football playoffs made plays consistently for the Longhorns.
And then the couple of the other ones that I've
got in here as Aarrea Thomas from Florida State six
one and a half, one ninety seven ten inch hands wow, yeah,
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mits thirty two and three eight inch arms, seventy eight
inch wingspan. The only thing he did to combine was
a broad jump at ten to two. But all you
got to do is look at the film and you
can see a big physical corner in that. And then
a guy that we like for later on in the process,
probably a Day three prospect, Quincy Riley five ten and
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five eighths one four eight and a half inch hands,
thirty one inch arms, seventy five inch wing four four
eight forty one five to four in the first ten
and talking about a guy that is very much like
our current Tennessee Titan in this he is cut from
the same kind of cloth.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Riley is gonna be in the lower part of the draft,
but he's not a He's not a lower tier player, correct.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
But yeah, if you like Jarvis Browne, and we all do,
I like him this time last year, you're gonna like
Quincy Riley. That that's the He's just an even more
intense version of Jarvis Brownlee. So we have been told
and kind of how he's been displayed.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Well, you if you watch him, I mean you watching
watch him at the Senior Bowl, and so I mean
we'll see again, We're not we're not trying to tell
anybody who the Titans are gonna draft.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
No, we're just.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
The other thing too. For our OT people. Anytime you
hear us talk about ten yard splits, especially in these
skill positions, anything that said that has a five after
the one is really good. Okay, is really good. C
J two K was in the fours, you know, because
I mean that's that's elite of elite. But anything with
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one five in it as far as the ten, as
far as we're talking about instant burst. So just so
you know, that's the range you're looking at.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
And there's some guys we'll go through these positions that
have those numbers in the one point four US.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
That's crazy, all right, Mac, who's on your list?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Well? For Travis Haunter from Colorado.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Yes, of course.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
To me, I mean this guy, I mean just his
physical measurements. He's six foot, he's one hundred and eighty
eight pounds. May have played this year at a lighter
weight than that, hand size nine and an eighth and
nearly thirty two two inch arms, wingspans seventy five and
a half. This guy when you watch him, when you
watch him on tape, of course, he played one hundred
and four snaps a game. So if you want to
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watch somebody play, he got a lot of stuff to watch.
But his his ability, his his leaping ability, and his
his hand extension and his ability to keep his to
keep the water in his bucket when the ball is thrown.
Playing a defensive back is elite. He's got elite explosiveness,
his change of direction and his burst is really really good.
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His recognition of plays is top level. He is a
He's a really instinctive, instinctive player. His foot quickness and
his lower body of fluidity is something that you really
really watch. He's an effortless player as far as his bend.
He's as smooth as silk with all of his all
of his physical movements, his eye discipline, I mean, he
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can recognize things. To me, if this is what he
wants to be, he's a number one corner in my
humble opinion, which doesn't matter. I'm not drafting anybody anymore.
But this guy, this guy is is elite because his
physical ability is rare.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
If he wants to be, meaning, if he chooses that
as his primary role.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Well, whoever drafts him.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Right, because I guess they picked well.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
But he will have a say because this is a
this is a rare guy. I mean the guy that
he's played for his entire career, whether he's at Jackson
State or where there's at Colorado. Deon Sanders was rare.
He played corner at a high level. He also played
receiver when they wanted to use him as that he
was a punt returner. And then while he was just resting,
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he'd go play professional baseball. So I mean just I mean,
and and play it well. So you're talking about, you know,
rare athlete, but this guy, when you watch him, he's
an exceptional athlete. Exceptional. Next guy, Chavon Ravel from East
Carolina six' two one ninety four nearly not in five eighth.
Hands that's a big. Paw that's a big. Paw amy
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that's about two years the arm length thirty two and
five eights, wingspan sitting down in a, QUARTER i mean
he was at the. Combine of course he didn't work
out because he was, injured but just watching, him he's
a really good friend Of Quincy. Riley he was recruited
by the secondary coach that Was quincy's coach At. Louisville
just looking at him physically standing down, there on the
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floor Of Lucas. Oil this guy is. Imposing he's got AN.
Acl he had AN acl early early in this. Season
but when you go back to watch his other other,
tape he's got good. Speed he's light on his. FEET
i mean he can play the ball down the. FIELD
i mean he's really good at the catch. Point he's
got a, big big. Radius this guy is processing really.
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Well and here's the other. Thing for his, size he
moves like a guy that's not that. Big he moves
really really. Well he would be a top five player
in this draft if he hadn't hurt THAT.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Acl Schevon, Revelle he's. Right if he didn't have THE,
acl he would be very highly taken in This he
could still be taken in the first, round just because
the measurables and the athletic part of it is off
the charts toward THE. Acl in Late, september had Surgery october.
Fifteenth surgeon put out a memo to teams just prior
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to the combine saying he will be cleared the, summer
so rock and.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Roll next dude Is Maxwell harriston From kentucky five, eleven
one eighty, three eight and three quarters hands arm link thirty,
one wingspan seventy. Five really liked this guy when we
were at The Senior bowl just watching, him and then
he goes to the combine and blows the doors off
Of he really does is forty was a four to
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two eight vertical jump thirty nine and a half broad
jump ten. Nine those are, elite elite lower body explosion and.
SPEED i, mean it's just. Elite this guy had six
interceptions and eight pass breakups in the last season and a.
Half his plant and drive for the football is. Elite
we talk about short area burst in, fluidity really, good really.
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GOOD i mean he stood. Out he stood out to
me at The Senior bowl Before i'd even watched any
tape on. Him and then you start looking at him
talk about oily. Hips this guy's got. Him i'm gotta loose.
Hips he can. Transition he had a shoulder injury in
twenty twenty. Four that's a red. Nugget i'll Let ret
go on. THAT i don't want to be a doctor
at reht's a.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Doctor, no no one's ever said that till right, now
and that is not. True but, yeah he missed five
games with a shoulder and that was why it was
important for him to accept the invitation to The Senior
bowl and did very well there and then doubled down
on it and really tested well at The. Combine and
so now that they see that that shoulder is not an,
Issue i'm sure the medical stuff probably worked out. Fine
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he wouldn't have put up those kinds of numbers if
there was something going on with, THAT i would. Think but,
yeah he golly, wow he is he? Fast Holy, moses
you think.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Fast he's a quick. Dude, yeah he's a quick, dude
and he can he can. Play, now he's not going
to be a physically imposing, guy but he's going to be,
very very in phase with, receivers all. Right next guy
Is Jacob perish From Kansas. State five nine one ninety.
One hand size of nine thirty and seven, eighths arm,
length wing span of seventy five four three five in
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the forty ten yards split one five to one thirty
seven and a. Half vertical broad jump of ten. Nine this,
guy he's a sticky, man the man. Guy he's a violent.
Player he'll take some false steps at, times but not very.
Many he can he can mirror. Match when you talk
about mirror, match he can stay in phase with receivers
without much problem at. All he's a quick twitch, guy
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plays the ball. ACCURATELY i didn't know he was that.
Fast he's going to be drafted fairly. High and then
what he did at the. Combine just the things THAT
i read off match with what you see on.
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i think we should continue on to, linebackers shall.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
We we're making our way up towards the line of, scrimmage.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Yeh telling you what we are going from back to. Front,
here we're moving up towards that line of. Scrimmage you're, right.
RHTT i would love to hear your list of linebackers
Because i'm guessing it's pretty.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
Legit, yeah there's some good off ball linebackers in this,
draft AND i think the top of the class Is
Jehad campbell From. Alabama nearly six, three two hundred and
thirty five, pounds hands ten and a half thirty two
and a half inch, arms eighty inch. Wingspan tested in
what he, did did nice at almost sixty three and
two thirty five four five two and the forty one
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five three in the first ten yards ten seven broad.
Jump and the thing about him that is going to
make it attractive obviously he played In alabama in the,
defense but his versatility to be able to play off
ball linebacker and to also be an edge pass, rusher
which he has both done at a high level at that.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Program As rehetz, said this is a superb, athlete sub
track guy in high.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
School, ah, yes.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
But he doesn't have a lot of time on task
as an off ball.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Linebacker he was an edge pass rusher mostly and then.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Moving the reason they moved him is he was playing
with two number one picks on the edge At. Alabama,
yeah so they moved him back behind the. Ball so
right now HIS k AND d is not natural back.
THERE i, mean you can watch and see now once
he sees, it and he can get. THERE i, mean
this guy is, long he's, fast he's. Violent whoever takes,
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him if they start to develop him and he is,
versatile you're gonna be able to move him outside and
still rush. Him but just with a little time on,
task learning how to read the center guard, triangle training
his eyes of what it is behind the. Ball this
is this is a superb. Athlete but if you were
going to look at somebody right now and, SAY i
mean he understands all the nuances of playing behind the,
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ball it's. Not it's not the case because he just
doesn't have a lot of time on. Task BUT i
love the, athlete.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
And with that in, mind still registered seventy tackles nine
and a half for lost three and a half sacks
in the twenty twenty four. Seasons, wow athlete for.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Sure, project but not a big. Project no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
No there's this kind of project you. Want this is
the house is nearly. Finished you just need to maybe
put a coat of pain on. It so take.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Care, yeah hinges.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Exactly, yeah the drawer pulls right. Exactly Barrett carter From
clemson six foot almost six y one there two thirty one,
hands nine and a quarter, arm thirty two and one
eights wing almost seventy. Nine he is going to be
somebody that you're gonna hear in nine two probably in
all of, this maybe late night. TOO a couple of
other guys that have my Attention Chris Paul junior From,
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Ole miss almost six to one two twenty two nine
and three eight inch, hands, uh seventy six inch. Wing
he ran four six three uh in the forty one
sixty two in the first ten thirty six inch vertical,
leap nine to nine in the broad and, uh you're
you're talking about a guy that you know a successful career.
There uh with the with the old. Miss the guy
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THAT i keep bringing up THAT i really like Is
Demetrius Knight junior Of South carolina six to one just
under six two two thirty five, hands ten inches wing
eighty and a half and. Uh the testing good four
five eight and the forty one to five eight in
the first, ten seven to one to two in the
three cone thirty one and a half inch vert twenty
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two reps at two twenty. Five and he's the guy
that was he moved from his late high school career
as as a an athletic move quarterback to moving to
this position on. Defense oh. Wow and so he went
four years At Georgia tech trying to learn all that
went one year At charlotte and that was WHERE i told, you,
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Guys ret nugget time here that he's. Married he has
a little boy it's about seven months, old a daughter
that's a little about nearly two years. Old and so,
yes put food on the. Table so after games At,
charlotte not a lot of nil money At, charlotte so
he's driving For Uber eats and making extra money to
put food on the. Table then he gets an opportunity
to hit the transfer, portal goes To South, carolina has
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a really nice year. There you talk about a guy
that he's an older, prospect but a grown man with
a family and knows he's got to put food on the.
Table he'll play for.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
You, yeah that's a Good ret. Nugget that was a great.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
One rhet's always got.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Nuggets, yeah all, Right, mac you're the linebackers coach, here,
love but what you Got.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Carson schweissinger FROM. Ucla all, right this is six two
and a, half two hundred and forty two, pounds big,
hands over nine inch. Hands arm length is thirty two
thirty two, inches good wingspan seventy eight and three quarters
thirty nine and a half. Vertical this guy's a quick trigger.
Guy now when you're looking at, him his pursuit range is.
Excellent he's got a good. Speed he's got a QUICK
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k AND D k AND d is key in. Diagnosed
he's very quick with. That he gets ahead of. Blocks
and you get ahead of blocks by being able to
have your eyes in the right place early because if
you if you wait to figure out to try to
get on the, blocks you're already behind. You always always
try to tell my guys get ahead of the blocks
by all the information you process before the ball is.
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Snapped he can do. That he's fast, enough you, know
to to run deep if he has. To he's a little.
Undersized his, anchor we've talked about anchor before taking something
on straight, ahead is he doesn't have a real strong.
Anchor he'll get bounced out of his gaps a lot of.
Times but his ability to, cover which because a guy
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behind the. Ball, nowadays the space linebackers are. Important they're
asked to cover whether you're playing manners. ON i Think
Carson swetzinger is a, guy and especially with his with
his key and diagnosability is really. Good being to.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
See and understand what's going on and react accordingly has
to make up for some of the physical, things.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Right, well the thing about playing linebacker is And I've
i've coached all sizes and shapes of, linebackers but the
one thing THAT i always started, with you, know WHEN
i was vetting, them or when you, know WHEN i
was sitting down with one before the, draft you, KNOW
i would put on their tape AND i would ask,
them what are you looking at? Here what are you seeing?
Here because you've got to get your eyes trained. First
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you've got to learn as a. Linebacker it's like driving
with your headlights on dim or driving with your head
lights on. Bright you've got to be able to expand
your vision because the more that you can read that
center guard triangle and relate it to what's going on
out here and be able to process that with your film,
Study you've got to get ahead of the play because
if you're playing pass and run fifty to fifty on
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every step as a linebacker at this, level you're. Behind
so you've got to be able to process that. Quickly
the next one Is Danny stutsman From. Oklahoma six three
two thirty three nine and nine inch, hands wingspan of
seventy nine four to five two of the forty a
one to five to two ten yards, split thirty four inch.
Vertical you watch, him you see him in, person looks
like AN nfl. Linebacker he's got lateral, quickness his, speed
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his four to five two that's pretty average pursuit. Speed
his quickness makes up for that a little. Bit but
he's got a good, anchor his stopping. Power when he hits,
you he stops, you all. RIGHT i like that about.
Him and he uses his length a lot of time
to initiate. Contact and When i'm looking at, linebackers the
one thing in the collegiate. Game they've only got twenty
hours to coach these guys and you're working in, scheme
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you're working this is they all have to. LEARN i,
MEAN i keep going back to guys that people might.
Know i've had a lot of linebackers in my, career
but they all have to learn how to use their
hands to shock and shit and use their, arms use their.
Length and he does. That he does that better than.
Most his processing speed can can speed, UP i, think
BUT i like him because he's played behind the ball
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a lot and he's got he's got some time on
task doing. That Jeffrey bassa From oregon sixty, one two thirty.
Two he's a former safety night in a quarter hands
seventy eight and three. Quarters so he's got good wingspan
four six three in the forty thirty eight and a
half vertical broad jump of nine. Ten he's got some
short area quick. Explosion he's got a seven point three
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four three cone, drill which is that's right on the.
Edge you got to be a pretty GOOD k AND
d guy to be able to, play to be able
to play with. That now he's got good, pursuit he
can close on. It his, INSTINCTS i think in athleticism
will probably lend him to be a sub package guy right,
now a special team sub package. Guy he keeps his
composure at the catch. Point he doesn't, panic he can
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HOLD i, say hold your, water keeps the water in
his bucket when he's going up looking looking for the,
ball and so he's got a stiff punch on. Him
so HE'LL i think to, me he'll be drafted somewhere
in the lower part of. This he is a converted,
safety but he's a, decent decent space. Player he'll be
a sub player.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Somewhere if a player can't hold their, water what?
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Happens he gets.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Tennesties, oh rat the.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Ball the ball is. Complete see a lot of, GUYS
a lot of guys can get. There but then there's
a there's a moment of truth when the receiver is
going up at the catch point and the ball is.
Released a lot of guys panic and either get behind
or they grab or they do. This holding your water
means you're able to keep the water in your, bucket
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keep it steady so you don't, spill you, KNOW i
mean you're you're you're able to complete the.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Task, okay, yeah that makes.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Sense Jack kaiser From Notre dame six two two thirty
one nine inch hands seventy seven wingspan ninety. Tackles this
guy's around the ball a lot to force. FUMBLES i,
mean he's got good. Instincts he's an instinctive. Player he's
a reliable. Tackler he has experienced playing all three linebacker
positions In Notre dame's. Defense he played the mic which
is the middle, linebacker played the, sam which is to
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the tight end, side played the, will which is is
to the open. Side and he's a he's a core
special teamer probably what he's going to be already out
in this. League BUT i liked him just watching him
blitz and. Stuff it's a pretty savvy.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Player dude played a lot of football in twenty twenty.
Four because we know as deep as that thing, went
played sixteen. Games it's a lot Rookie wall should be
nothing to.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Him, yeah read it seems like there's a lot of
depth in this draft at the linebacker. Position is that?
Speaker 3 (37:20):
CORRECT i think it's. Decent, YEAH i think it.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Is depends on what flavor you're. Looking there's a lot
of different. Ones, okay they're. DIFFERENT i don't think you
can categorize. THIS i mean the guys THAT i read,
off you know WHEN i WHEN i say, that you
know they're probably going to be a core teamer coming.
In they're probably going. There there are a lot of different, types,
okay of, linebackers and you've got you've got you, know
guys have been converted from the edge to back behind the.
(37:46):
Ball there are guys that are you, know really good
athletes that may not be as good AS k AND d,
guys so that there's a lot of different.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Types pick your flavor Like Baskin.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Robbins and there's more than thirty one in this. Deal
there you got two hundred and fifty seven will be
chosen over, those.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
All, right you. Guys we did, safeties we did, corners
we did. Linebackers ladies and, gentlemen these are your position.
Previews those is.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Fun, yes let's do some.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
More let's do. More how about next time we talk
a little defensive line and maybe throwing some. Dressure it's
just her.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
FUN i like.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
That we can do it all.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Right for coach Mac Rett, Brian I'm Amy. Wells thank
you for joining.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Us for.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Oh my, gosh WHAT i keep thinking something's on.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Fire, no, okay, look here's the next thing we're going to.
Do before we, EVER i WANT i want to get
some measure tape in here and measure your hand because
every time we talk about hand, size you put your
hand down on a piece of. Paper you want.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
To, KNOW i want to know how you want to know?
Exactly BUT i know paper is eight and a half by,
Eleven so if it's thumb to, PINKY i can kind
of get an idea based on.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
The.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
PAPERS i knew she was a measure. It measure. It
you don't get you don't do.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
It who holds?
Speaker 2 (39:10):
It she? DOES i don't get to measure your own.
Hand take it flat on the, table the, ticket flat
on the.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
Table oh my hands.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
Are you?
Speaker 2 (39:19):
Doing go from?
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Eight eight?
Speaker 2 (39:25):
It that's a big hand it.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
IS i played piano for four.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
YEARS i made measured. Again let me let me be
sure that is no wait a, minute, pink that's exactly
how you stretch it. Out, OH i can almost get a.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Quarter that's eight and a.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Quarter thank, You. Ashley that that. Hurts that's so. Good. Quarter,
well that's what we're saying next time we get on.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Here right there you.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Go this is why your hands.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Are bigger Than kenny pickets.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Me and most Of. AMERICA i.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Think all right for this.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Edition THE o T.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
P I'm Amy.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Wells That's Red, brian that's Coach. Mac thank you for tuning.
In we will see you next step
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