February 24, 2025 • 38 mins
Amie Wells visits with Titans Radio's Rhett Bryan and Dave McGinnis to preview the NFL Scouting Combine on the OTP, presented by Farm Bureau Health Plans.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
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by draft gurus Ret Brian and Coach Mac Because, folks,
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it is the greatest week of the year. It's finally here.
We are going to Indianapolis for the twenty twenty five
NFL Scouting Combine. Are you as excited as I am?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Pause, ye really just because yes answers, yes, yes, I
was going to be I was going to be real
kind to let him go first.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
But the answers yes, I'm fired up. Oh yeah, well
absolutely always are.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
We love it too, you know, you guys do, and
you guys really do a good job of getting into
the nitty gritty. You are the ones that know exactly
what to watch in Indianapolis, which is why you're here
on the OTP. But I just have to tell you, guys,
I'm so excited about going to Indianapolis for another year
of combine goodness, Because there's no better place to be
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if you want to be in the heart of the
National Football League than Indie during combine.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
That's one hundred percent true.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
I mean, and I I've been to everyone they've had
in Indy and I just never get tired of it.
And it's it's a great, great opportunity, you know, when
you're coaching. I mean, clearly the opportunity is out there,
but doing doing broadcasting, the amount of people that you
can get to and you can visit with, and then
all the good content that we're gonna that we're going
to have there at the OTP. It's it's very worthwhile.
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It's one of my favorite times of the year. And
I've already got breakfast set up every morning from a
group of people I want to talk to. I mean,
I can't wait to get there. I like it, and
I've spent two and a half months putting this stuff
together to at least get a first blush at it.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I'm with all both of you, it's time to go.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
And wonderful news as because we know how passionate you
are about it remaining in Indianapolis.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
It's the best place for it, just as not only is.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
It there in twenty twenty five, but news came out
league wide. I think it was right before Thanksgiving that
twenty twenty six. It also is the host city as
it has been since its inception there in Indianapolis.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I'm thinking about making buttons or like a sash or
something that I can wear, or a sandwich board that
I can wear all week long. That just says keep
the combine in Indy. It's just the best.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Place for it.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Vote Indye Infinity.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I'm with you at Indie Infinity.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Amy Wells is the first person I thought about when
they put that announcement out, and I'm with her.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I'm with you. I am one hundred percent with that.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I do have a T shirt that says Indy that
I just wear from time to time because I'll be thinking, well, yeah,
I'll take off, oh sure, of course do as the
Indianans combine nights combine by night there it is perfect, perfect,
That's it. Well, I want to get started and actually
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maybe drive this ship towards some football related content. Every
year as the combine starts, there are some storylines that
we all go into the week knowing we're going to
be watching waiting to see how they unfold. What are
some of the things that you're going to be watching
for this week.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
I think one of the big storylines right off of
the top, just because the Titans haven't needed quarterback and
they have the number one overall pick, what does Shado
or Sanders and cam Ward do do they throw at
this combine? That's the question that's the big headline for
me is who throws. I don't expect either one of
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them to do that because, as is custom in the
last several years, they usually do that at their respective
pro days. But this also opens up a chance for
someone in the next tiers to maybee, you know, show
up and shine a little bit.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Mac Does it bother people when a quarterback doesn't throw
at the combine? No, nobody bumps on that.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
No, just because of what Rett said.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
First of all, the interviews are really big, and that's
that's where you that's where you start within there. And
then of course the the physicals, the measurements, all of
that stuff is important. But these both of these players,
they're at the top of the quarterback list. They're gonna
get a chance to throw plenty of times. They're gonna
have a they're gonna have a workout at the school,
they're gonna have private workouts. Plus, both of these guys,
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because of what they've done in their collegiate time, have
a lot of tape. There's a lot of tape, So
the in person stuff is way more important for these
guys rather than just a quick blush in the workouts.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Mac This class is so interesting because across the league,
it seems if you read a lot of national media
like we do, there's not really a strong consensus about
how the talent is graded in this draft. It feels
like there's a lot of different opinions on how this
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draft stacks up in terms of are there ten first
round grades? Are there twenty first round grades? It feels
like there's a lot more gray area than normally there is.
Have you found that to be the case as you've
been prepping.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Yeah, And it starts with the quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
It starts with the quarterbacks because the two that we've
talked about it should you know, should Her Sanders you
know that's that's that's number one and cam Ward. They
separated themselves from the rest of those quarterbacks, and what
everybody else is trying to do right now is separate
the other ones.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
That's number one.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
The second thing is this each class is different, but
this last let's put last year's class into it. As
we were as we were driving up at this time
last year, we knew that there was a there was
just a big, long line of offensive tackles that we're
going to be ready to roll.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
That's not the case this year.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
This year, there are more offensive tackles and a lot
them are going to bump. They're going to bump the guards.
But when and I put this are vertical and horizontal
boards together. The thing that is showing up now that's
not hard to grade is the edge rushers. The edge
rushers and also the interior defensive lineman. Now, if you
glump those in as a group, how are you going
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to separate those How are you going to separate those guys?
And in the linebacker group this year, Amy, because you
talk about evaluating, there's a lot of guys that played
off ball linebacker in college that are probably going to
go to edge rushers in the National Football League. So
that's kind of where now when you're looking at it.
And the other thing that I'm want to say, the
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strength of this draft is really the belly of the
draft this year rather than a whole bunch of elite
all the way through the first round, and the belly
of the draft is what really takes some digging to
find out how to separate guys. It's easy to separate
the best from the worst. It's those guys in the
middle that are similar yet different that is what takes
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a real good eye to separate.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Well, the belly of the draft is why you guys
are here. Before we move on from quarterback, it seems
that the national pundits are in disagreement over whether or
not a quarterback will be the top pick in the
NFL draft, whether it's the Tennessee Titans or the Titans
end up trading that pick to somebody else. It doesn't
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seem to be a clear consensus that number one, number two,
even in the top five, really could be a quarterback.
What do cam Ward and schnor Sanders need to do
to solidify themselves not only at the top of the
quarterback pack rehtt, but maybe at the top of the
draft overall.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Well, it starts with a couple things that coach Mack
has already mentioned. First of all, if they would throw
this week, I think that would help them in some ways.
They'll end up probably doing that in their respective pro days.
But the big thing he hit it how they interview
with these teams. This is where you and this goes
for every player, every position, but especially those two when
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you're talking about a top pick and the others that
have been mentioned in MOX. Whether it's you know, edge
pass rush er Abdul Carter from Penn State or Travis Hunter,
the cornerback slash wide receiver from Colorado, all these young
men have to interview well, but certainly these quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Well, the quarter the quarterback part of it is is big.
But in my experience, which covers quite a bit of time,
the quarterbacks that I've been involved with, I would never
draft a quarterback rather than spending extensive time with him
face to face like we are now because I can,
I can watch, I can watch a tape, and all
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these evaluators can watch a tape, But quarterbacks, I mean,
I remember when we were drafting Jim Harbough out of
Michigan to take Jim McMahon's place at the Bears. Then
go all the way to when I was the head
coach of the Cardinals and I was going to draft
Jake Plumber to be our guy and then to replace
him Josh McCown.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Spend a lot of time.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
With those guys and it's extremely important. And then go
recently as to when the number we traded for the
number one pick at the RAMS with the Titans, because
we were vetting two quarterbacks, but we spent a long
time with both of them. It both at where we
were in oxen Ard, California at the time and also
bringing them bringing them in and then going to where
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they were between Jared Golf and Carson Wentz.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
So we finally made the decision on.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Jared Goff, but not without extensive time with them in Parson.
So again, let's let's go back to what's more important
is how they're going to be face to face.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
So really, when it comes to position groups that have
the most to gain this week, well it's not necessarily
the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Let's go to what we.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
All know and what the people on the OTP knowe
because they've listened to us over the over the years.
There are two drafts. There's the quarterback draft and then
there's a positional draft. So the quarterback draft and the
quarterback draft will will start to be when we get
to Indy. I mean, that's where we started the talks
about training with the Titans and the Jared Golf you
know for the number one.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
That's where all these talks.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
And then which quarterback needy team which the Titans are won,
would be willing to want to come up to get
one of these two guys if they're in a spot
where they know if they're sitting, they won't get them.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
You raise an interesting point about vetting quarterbacks because you've
done it over a long period of time and in
a lot of different eras. I guess I'll say, how
different do you think it is vetting quarterbacks now? Given
that you're vetting a guy like Shador Sanders, who's coming
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out not only with a lot of exposure and experience
being the center of attention, but also a lot of money,
a lot of staff, a lot of business initiatives, Like,
it's not the same as when you were vetting a
Jake Plumber.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Well, let me say this, and it's a great point,
you mean, but the big difference is most of these quarterbacks.
When the transfer portal came into being in college football,
the first position that affected was quarterbacks because there's only one,
and those guys were when that when that came to
to fuition, they were leaving if they weren't that guy.
(11:17):
So now what you're vetting, you're vetting guys that have
played at different places. You're vetting guys that have played
in different systems, and so it's not like you can
just throw on the tape like we can just throw
on the tape, say with Jim Harball at Michigan or
Jake Plumber at Arizona State, and just go through their
whole career there. Now, what you're doing is you're vetting
them not only at different places, and you bring up
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a legitimate point, you're also vetting them at different places
that they've moved because they're getting paid. So all of
that thing, all of that is different and you're you're
exactly right. It's a different environment that you're vetting them
in now.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
And I guess that's not just for quarterbacks. This is
for players across college sports who are going to be
coming into the National Football League. A lot of these
guys have money involved now, they have nil deals, they
have a lot of business initiatives that they are involved
in before they've ever set foot on the professional field.
And Rhett, I imagine it just changes the scope of things.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
A little bit. It absolutely does. And the other thing
I think that's important to note in the time since
coach Mack has made his way through the league too,
it was different because of think about this, there's an
army of people that are evaluating now he was one
of just a handful in each team, especially it's time
with the Bears. Between that and the difference of technology,
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there was no Internet, there was no social media, none
of that stuff, and so there are some advantages. You
have an army of people to help look at stuff
and you've got technology at your fingertips.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
No, that's absolutely true. I mean, it's just the evolution
of the league. And again it goes back to the
fact that when the transfer portal came into being the
first people that affected quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Another group I'm excited to watch this week is the
tight ends.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Mac.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Do you think that of all the position groups that
we're going to see, that might be one of the
best groups in terms of depth.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
It's one of them. It's one of them, and I
think you're correct. This type, this tight end group, the
group that Ret and I have in our tight ends.
I'm just going to go to it give the ot
people a little bit, a little bit of look at
who we have. Who we have on this list. We've
got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven in the
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first four pods, which is a pod? A pod is
not necessarily around a pod. Is the way that they
would come off vertically and horizontally that would match up
across the board as far as the value.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
But the answer is yes.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
And the reason for that is this collegiate football has
evolved now is to where tight ends, just like they
are now in the National Football League, are an intricate
part of offenses.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
People are spinning the ball down the field more and more.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
When I first started doing this, if you were looking
at a tight end, you were looking at a tight
end which was on the line of scrimmage and was
really just a blocker and you might throw him the
football once or twice in a ballgame. Now they are
guys that split out. There are guys that do a
lot of things that they change the personnel grouping with you.
So there's a reason why there are more of them
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now because more of them are migrating to that position.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Rett, Are there some tight ends that you're exceptionally excited
about watching?
Speaker 3 (14:24):
I think one of the ones that has a chance
to really make himself a lot of money and notoriety
is what he built off of with the Senior Bowl.
That's Mason Taylor, the underclassman from LSU who left LSU's
program as the all time tight end and catches and
receiving yards and obviously has a Hall of Fame lineage
with his father Jason Taylor, the pass rusher. But he's
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one I definitely want to see. And I'll tell you
something else, And you mentioned this maybe being one of
the stronger position groups. I think the running back class
has a lot of great value throughout this draft, and
we know that running backs are drafted a little differently.
I think there's being a little more uptick in evaluation though,
because of what you've seen recency bias with Saquon Barkley
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and what he was able to help that team get
to the Super Bowl. Yeah, they shut him down in that,
but it worked. You know, they had the other moving
parts in this. Ashton Genty from Boise State is probably
going to be a first round back. There's a good
chance that Omari and Hampton from North Carolina and Caleb
Johnson from Iowa or there but there's some guys in
the mill rounds and as Max has the belly of
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the draft, that pair from Ohio State that won the
national championship. I mean, Trevion Henderson overcame a terrific a
really bad foot injury a couple of years ago, never
fumbled the ball over six hundred snaps.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
And then his teammate Quinnshawn Judkins, I mean you've got
and then obviously locally Dylan Samson from Tennessee is what
a year he had. But there is value throughout that
entire draft if you're looking for a tailback, especially three
down backs, which is what you need now.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yeah, I'm gonna go back to Titian's.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Another guy that I think helped himself, helped himself at
the Senior Bowl and has helped himself just because of
before he played was Elijah Rorio from Miami. This is
a guy that cam Ward looked at and threw to
a lot down there, and he fits kind of the
mold mouth tight ends six four and four eighths, which
is a half six four and a half two fifty one,
big hands, big hands.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Are you all right? Yeah? That was good map by you?
Though it is well.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
I just you know, I just want to be sure
people know we're not doing the Dewey decimal system of
the metric system.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah, nope. Yeah. Four that's a half. That's a half,
a little over eighty one inch wingspan.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
And this guy he had thirty five catches, five hundred
ninety yards seven touchdowns in twenty twenty four, and he
was coming off a pretty good injury on his left
de in twenty twenty two. And so anyway, they're tight
ends and to Retz point, they're running backstae.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Well, Elijah Royo should be mentioned too. He had a
devastating left knee injury in twenty twenty two, and between
twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three he only played
eight games. Wow, So he came back for twenty twenty
four in a big way because cam Ward his two
favorite targets. Elijah Royo the tight end, and then obviously
the receiver is Xavier Verstrepo.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Well, RTT, do you have a couple other guys on
offense that are like names we should know as the
week continues?
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Yeah, let's take a look at a couple that I
have in mind. One, I'm gonna go to the wide
receivers in this because there is one that really has
my attention Southeastern Conference player, it's Trey Harris from Ole Miss.
Trey Harris six three two ten, one thousand and thirty
receiving yards and ten touchdowns in twenty twenty four. And
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what's interesting about him is he's a converted quarterback. He
was a high school quarterback in Louisiana. The guy he
was throwing all the touchdowns to Malik Neighbors New York Giants. Yeah,
and uh, this is one of two players in Southeastern
Conference history that averaged one hundred yards receiving per game
in his career. So a guy that is I think
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going to turn some heads when you put on the tape. Mac.
He really made some nice plays being one of Jackson
Dart's main targets. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
I mean he's a legitimate He's a legitimate dude.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
And again, we're going to talk about this a lot
when we talk about the draft, the belly of the draft.
He's a guy that's not going to be a top
tier guy, but he's going to be a guy that
somebody's gonna want, that's gonna make their team.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
And the other thing going to the running backs, Brishard Smith,
who we saw at the Senior Bowl SMU one year
there and one year was good. He had nineteen hundred
and seventy seven all purpose yard. Now he's a smaller
guy five nine and change one ninety five, but he's
a converted wide receiver. That's why I say three down
back is you know, so much of this is so
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big in the NFL now and being able to receive
out of the backfield. He was a three year receiver
at the University of Miami before he transferred hit the portal,
went to SMU, and it's converted to running back and
has some explosion there.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Mac. Do you may want to add, of course I do.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
I knew you would.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Elijah Rorio, We've already talked about the tight end, but
gunn or Hell a tight end from Texas. He's another
guy that that that fits the mold of what we're
talking about. And then we talk about running backs and
you talked about him earlier being the in the belly
of the draft.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Caleb Johnson from Iowa.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Is someone that's gonna is gonna get some attention in
that middle part of the draft.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Devon Neil running back from KU is a Lawrence kid
Uh and and then really did a nice JEP. Kansas
has kind of resurfaced as a as a good football team.
Devin O'Neil and then Court frog Uh, Jack Jack Besh
from TCU. I mean, I'd be remiss not to mention
Jack Besh. Everybody knows the national story about the tragedy
with his brother and then he he's a guy that
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that was really not only a good football story, but
a good a good human interest story at the at
the Senior Bowl. And so Jack Besh and then West
Virginia offensive lineman Wyatt Milam. We sat and talked with
Wyatt Mila Mayre. And then I'll give you another one.
There's an Arizona offensive lineman named Jonah SAVANAA that is
is a is a big tackle body that might move inside.
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So those are some guys.
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Speaker 2 (20:39):
All right, so let's.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Dig in now to the defense, because there's a lot
to talk about on defense, and it felt like the
best way to bridge the conversation from offense to defense
was with Travis Hunter. As we all know or most
people know, when he was at Colorado, he played both
corner and white guy played basically every snap of the game.
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This week, he is being listed as a corner mac.
Why is that the best place for him to be?
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Well, they have to designate one spot for him to
work at primarily, so everybody, everybody was in consensus that
he should work there.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Now he will also do wide receiver drills. He will
do wide receiver drills. But when you start looking.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
At there's very few that have played both ways in
the National Football League. First of all, when he comes
into the league, I believe he will be able to
play both ways. But he's not going to be able
to do major both ways like he did at Colorado.
I mean he played one hundred and nine snaps a game.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
That's crazy. Yeah, that won't happen in the National Football League.
But he is. He is a special athlete. He's an
elite athlete. The corner.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
The transition from concentrating on corner to just then also
being able to be a spot player at wide receiver
is much easier than the reverse way, much easier than
the reverse way, so he had to have a designation.
He will work out with all the cornerback drills and
then it's going to be interesting there in Lucas Oil
to watch and see what receiving drills he does. But
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saying it here before we even go to the we're
on our way to the combine. He'll play both ways
in this league. How much he does a lot less
than he did at Colorado, but he will. I think
he will follow in the footsteps a little bit of
what his mentor, Dion Sanders did. To remember back when
Dion came out, Dion was a corner, but then later
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as his career evolved, they also used him on offense.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
So Travis Hunter twenty twenty four Heisman Trophy winner, ninety
six catches, twelve hundred and fifty eight yards, fifteen touchdowns,
thirteen point one per catch. On defense, thirty five tackles,
three picks, eight pass breakups, and he had some dings
and dents towards the end of the season. I think
he'll be healthy and ready to go this week. The
thing I'm interested to see is if he runs that
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gauntlet drill with the wide receivers. I think that would
show me a little something on on how he can
shift and move. But what what about his skill set
makes it easy for him to go uh dB? First?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (23:09):
The footwork? Is it?
Speaker 2 (23:10):
What?
Speaker 3 (23:10):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (23:11):
He's got twitch, he's got length, and he's he's really
really he's a really uh football aware player.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
His spatial awareness is really good.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
He reminds me a lot of what Dion used to
do a lot, especially at Florida State. Dion would act
like he was beat to bait the quarterback to throw
to him, and then he would he would jump it.
This kid has got enough twitch to do that, and
he played a lot more offense than Dion played at
Florida state.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
But he's a he's a superb athlete. He's flexible, he's.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Got twitch, and he's got speed, and his his hand
eye coordination, especially specially with the ball, is superb.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
When you're able to do both and do both well.
Is there a strategy to where you're listed? You kind
of survey the crop of people in both and say, ah,
could get picked a little bit higher here if I'm
a corner instead of what we're working with with this
group of receivers or is that just me guess.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
The money now?
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Yeah, if you look at the franchise tags for elite
corners to elite receivers is getting pretty close. And especially
now with the way that this all dovetails into how
the salary CAP's going to be. With the increase in
the salary cap, those numbers have started to come together
really close.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Here in the National Football League, it's never just one thing.
All of these business things are interconnected. That's part of
what makes the combine so much fun, folks, because there's
a lot of stuff going on here. It's not just
the workouts, my friends. There's also the business side of it.
That's a whole different game within the game. It's very
interesting rhtt. I want to talk to you about Abdul
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Carter because he's been getting a ton of attention, But
I have a feeling that there are some other prospects
that could make the case this week to challenge him
for being be completely unchallenged top spot at edge rusher.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Do you agree with me? Well, no, I don't agree
with you. I mean, Abdul Carter is he's the top
prospect in this and you did get some argument about,
you know, Travis Hunter being the other part of that,
but abduall Carter is the top person on our board.
But to coach Max's point, this edge pass rusher and
really when you pepper in the interior defensive line, those
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are maybe the two richest positions in this draft. But
the edge rushers, good lord, there's a bunch of them.
But you mentioned Abdul Carter. You saw what he did
in the college football playoffs with one arm, just wrecking people.
But Jalen Walker from Georgia is somebody that is right
underneath him in our first pod on this board, six
two two forty five eighty five tackles, twelve for lost,
five quarterback sacks. He's the Butckets Award winner this year,
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First Team All American and he's a wrecker. He is
Shamar Stewart from Texas A and m is a guy
we saw at the Senior Bowl. Six five and an eighth,
two eighty one eighty four inch wingspan, nearly forty five tackles,
ten for loss, seven quarterback sacks. He's a big, long
prospect that's gonna hurt. We know about Mike Green. We
interviewed him on the OTP. What a fantastic young man
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he is. And the quarterback sack winner in college football
was seventeen of those, Mike hil Williams from Georgia, James
Pierce from Tennessee, Donovan Ezeraku from Boston College, who was
also at the Senior Bowl. There's a bunch of guys
who are going to be I mean, Mac, would you
safely say there'd be eight to ten edge pass rushers
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that could go in the first round?
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Well, seven for sure.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
You just named the seven that I think will in
some form or another be there, because I mean that's
a premium position, big time premium position.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
And then right under them, we got J. T.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Tuomolo from Ohio State, Jack Sawyer from Ohio State who
is just a different type of an edge player.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
But again, if you're running.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
A four to three defense and you want a big
body out there on the end, Landon Jackson from Arkansas,
Birch from Oregon, and then Nick Gorton from Texas A
and m there's a couple of aggies there. So we've
already named off twelve guys right now that will be
in the first two pods.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
So yes, this is a deep, deep draft for edge rushers.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Now, you also mentioned the interior defensive lineman. Give me
some names that you're looking to watch perform this week.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Mason Graham is at the top of the boards right
now from Michigan, Derek Harmon from Oregon, Kenneth Grant from Michigan. Again,
I mean they had a really good defense there, Tylee
Williams from Ohio State, and then move on down. You
got Alfred Collins from Texas. You've got Shamar Turner from
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from Texas A, and m Darius Alexander here we're into
a smaller school, but from Toledo that is going to
be a guy that you're really going to want to
look at. And then Walter Nolan, who we saw at
the Senior Bowl really stood out at the Senior Bowl
and the University of Mississippi had four really good defensive
line Walter Nolan stood out.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
And then Jordan Phillips from Maryland.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
I mean, those are the top two pod tiers of
guys that we have right now, and they even go
deeper than that. As you want to start going down.
Omar Norman Lot from Tennessee is right in that group.
That's right below that. And remember these pods are not
anything set in stone. So if somebody comes across and
they look horizontally on their board and all of a sudden,
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Ombar Norman Lot is there, and they compare him better
to a linebacker, say Chris Paul, and they say.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Well, Norman Lot is more valuable to us, then he'll
go higher.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Joshua Farmer Florida State is another one that you're going
to hear a lot about. He mentioned Derek Harmon from Oregon.
There's another guy from Oregon, Jamari Caldwell, who is a
transfer from Houston, and he didn't have as quite a
big a production in twenty twenty four as he did
with Houston in twenty three. But I think that's a
guy that a lot of eyes will be on and
then we saw the monster d lineman from Kentucky, Dion
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Walker at the Senior Bowl. There's a bunch of value
along the defensive line in this draft.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Are there a couple players whose names we maybe haven't
heard a lot about yet, but we should definitely be
keeping our eyes on this week, Rhett, I'll start with you.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
I'm gonna go with small school guys because I'm always
interested to see who gets invited to these things. And
if you're in a smaller pond of fish, you've done
something or you wouldn't be there, and this guy was
I'll start with Since we're on defense, I'll start with
defense in this and we saw him at the Senior Bowl.
David Walker from Central Arkansas measured in at six feet
and five eight inches, so he's an undersized guy to
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sixty seven seventy seven inch wing But listen to the
resume of this guy. He was a Buck Buchanan, which
is the top defensive Player of the Year in FCS.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
He was a.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Finalist in that in twenty twenty two. He won it
in twenty twenty four. He was the ASUN Defensive Player
of the Year in twenty twenty two, but forty five
solo tackles, ten and a half sacks, four forced fumbles
in twenty twenty four, but in his career sixty three
tackles for loss and thirty one quarterback sacks in thirty
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four games. He's kind of a poor man's Jarrell Casey
if we're talking about but he come, you would think,
you know, being more squatty into the ground, but he's
really good at edge rushing moves. So that's one, and
then the other one on offense is an offensive lineman
from William and Mary Called. His name is Charles Grant.
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He's six four and a half three hundred pounds. He
allowed just one quarterbacksack on three hundred and thirty four
pass blocking snaps in twenty twenty four. And you're talking
about a guy that was a two hundred and forty
pound recruit in high school with a wrestling background, and
he grew into his body. He obviously the competition that
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he faced is going to come into question in this,
but he shows he showed at the East West Rine
game he can actually hold his own a little bit.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Mac.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
You are feverishly wrestling papers away in here. I thought
maybe you had someone specific that you were excited about telling.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Us about I do.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
But I'm gonna get I'm gonna get his stats here,
or I might let just rehtt do this guy's We
talked about Mississippi having some defensive players. JJ Pegeese is
a guy on the interior defensive front. He started his
career out as a tight end and then grew into
a defensive lineman. But when you when you put the
tape on and you watch him play, this is a guy.
This is a guy that you look and say, well,
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this is just a football player. And so JJ Pegeese
And then another guy that I've got here on defense
from Kentucky, a cornerback named Maxwell Harriston. This guy, I'm
really interested to see what he runs at the combine.
It's gonna be really important. He really had a nice
senior Bowl. He had a nice senior Bowl.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
He was sticky. He was in phase.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
Sticky means that I mean he didn't have a lot
of wasted steps when he was matching the routes that
were coming at him, and then he was in phase.
In phase means when they get further down the field,
that I mean he held his water pretty good.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
He didn't panic when the all was in the air.
I'm interested in those two guys.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
And then of course, look I got a couple on
offense that I've got to go right here.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Yeah, Frog, I knew it was coming.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Save you on Williams up from TCU sixty five, two
hundred and twenty five pounds last year, sixty passes, six
hundred eleven yards, six touchdowns, fifty one carries. They used
him a lot, you know, on in the round stuff,
three hundred and thirty two yards and six more tds.
In addition, this guy was three for three passing for
twenty two yards. Size athleticism. Now, these aren't combine these
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aren't combined numbers. These are school numbers. But he's ten
six on the broad jump, which is a lot of
explosion for a guy that long squatted six hundred pounds,
which is lower body strength, and he was clocked at
twenty two and a half miles an hour. I'm looking
forward to seeing him, Okay, Frog, I'm gonna.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
I want to circle back to your first two guys
when you talked about Max Harrison. First of all, he
saw him at Senior Bowl five eleven and change one
seventy nine. Wiry build in nineteen timesackles, one tackle for loss,
a sack, and an interception, four pass breakups, two forced
fumbles in twenty twenty four. He'll be a medical check
guy because he had a shoulder injury against Georgia in
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twenty twenty four. He missed five games, so that's something.
But because he practiced and played in senior ball, I'm
probably gonna check out. Okay there, but JJ Pegeese that
he mentioned from ole Miss, one of those four defensive
linemen that's at the Combine this week. He was an
East West Shrine guy. Really showed off and the athleticisms
there because Max' right, he was a converted tight end.
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He actually was played some tight end at Auburn and
they transferred to ole Miss six to two three twenty
five forty two tackles, eighteen solo tackles, three and a
half sacks in twenty twenty four. And the kind of
person he is as far as loving the game, being
good to his teammates. He was the Chucky Mullins Award
Courage Award winner in twenty twenty four, which it's kind
of like wearing that number at LSU, wearing that number
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at Texas a and m you wear number thirty eight
if you want the rest of your time at Ole
Miss And that's a huge, huge honor. They actually used
him in short yardage stuff as a full back and
as a running back to move the chains in some
tush push kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
You know, when Rett and I are putting this stuff together,
I watch all the tape and then there's all this,
all these nice little nuggets.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
These are ret nuggets, which are which are really really important.
I mean ret Nuggies, red nuggies.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
And that's why, that's why we will be going back
and forth when we when we do the draft.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
I'm writing down ret nuggets because that just screams some
sort of partnership.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
It is. That's what it is. It's what we do
and brought to when we're when we're doing our.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
Draft show on draft day, you'll hear Coach Mack give
a lot of what's on the tape, and then the
ret nuggets will.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Follow what follow nuggets.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
The other guy I want to talk about on our
fence as soon as you compose yourself over.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
There, I think it's funny.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
It is funny.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
It is a guy named Basil Tooton from Virginia Tech
little running back. He was originally at North Carolina A
and T five eleven two hundred eight.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Four to three to two.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
In the forty twenty three miles an hour vertical jump
of thirty nine inches, he averaged more than six yards
per carry.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
And again, I don't.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Know how many people have ever watched North Carolina A
and T. I know people have watched Virginia Tech. But
Basil Touton is a.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Guy to know. Love it.
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I thought this might be a fun game regardless of position.
Who is the top player in the NFL draft as
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it stands? Right now, Monday, February twenty.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Fourth, Abduall Carter, Edge Rusher Penn State Mac.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Well, he's already said Abdul Carter, hadn't he.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Well, yeah, you can agree with him. You're well Travis
Hunter then okay.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
I mean they're both. They are both. That's that's the
ying and the yang of this draft. That that is
a ying and the yang of this draft. You will
not go wrong with either one of those guys at
the top of the draft if you pull their card
on draft.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Day, if you if you hear Mike Borganzi, general manager
of the Titans, speak about blue players, those two blue players.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Well rhtt you set me up for a great transition
because Mike Borganzi is going to be on this podcast.
He will be here on the OTP with us along
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the OTP during our time in Indianapolis, so you don't
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who will stop to talk to us.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
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Speaker 1 (37:01):
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ready to go. I cannot wait to get to Indy.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
We're locked in now. This is this is a great
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Speaker 3 (38:07):
It is always good to go to Indie path.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
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it is the greatest week of the year. It's finally here.
We are going to Indianapolis for the twenty twenty five
NFL Scouting Combine. Are you as excited as I am?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Pause, ye really just because yes answers, yes, yes, I
was going to be I was going to be real
kind to let him go first.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
But the answers yes, I'm fired up. Oh yeah, well
absolutely always are.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
We love it too, you know, you guys do, and
you guys really do a good job of getting into
the nitty gritty. You are the ones that know exactly
what to watch in Indianapolis, which is why you're here
on the OTP. But I just have to tell you, guys,
I'm so excited about going to Indianapolis for another year
of combine goodness, Because there's no better place to be
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if you want to be in the heart of the
National Football League than Indie during combine.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
That's one hundred percent true.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
I mean, and I I've been to everyone they've had
in Indy and I just never get tired of it.
And it's it's a great, great opportunity, you know, when
you're coaching. I mean, clearly the opportunity is out there,
but doing doing broadcasting, the amount of people that you
can get to and you can visit with, and then
all the good content that we're gonna that we're going
to have there at the OTP. It's it's very worthwhile.
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It's one of my favorite times of the year. And
I've already got breakfast set up every morning from a
group of people I want to talk to. I mean,
I can't wait to get there. I like it, and
I've spent two and a half months putting this stuff
together to at least get a first blush at it.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I'm with all both of you, it's time to go.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
And wonderful news as because we know how passionate you
are about it remaining in Indianapolis.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
It's the best place for it, just as not only is.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
It there in twenty twenty five, but news came out
league wide. I think it was right before Thanksgiving that
twenty twenty six. It also is the host city as
it has been since its inception there in Indianapolis.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I'm thinking about making buttons or like a sash or
something that I can wear, or a sandwich board that
I can wear all week long. That just says keep
the combine in Indy. It's just the best.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Place for it.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Vote Indye Infinity.
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I'm with you at Indie Infinity.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Amy Wells is the first person I thought about when
they put that announcement out, and I'm with her.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I'm with you. I am one hundred percent with that.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I do have a T shirt that says Indy that
I just wear from time to time because I'll be thinking, well, yeah,
I'll take off, oh sure, of course do as the
Indianans combine nights combine by night there it is perfect, perfect,
That's it. Well, I want to get started and actually
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maybe drive this ship towards some football related content. Every
year as the combine starts, there are some storylines that
we all go into the week knowing we're going to
be watching waiting to see how they unfold. What are
some of the things that you're going to be watching
for this week.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
I think one of the big storylines right off of
the top, just because the Titans haven't needed quarterback and
they have the number one overall pick, what does Shado
or Sanders and cam Ward do do they throw at
this combine? That's the question that's the big headline for
me is who throws. I don't expect either one of
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them to do that because, as is custom in the
last several years, they usually do that at their respective
pro days. But this also opens up a chance for
someone in the next tiers to maybee, you know, show
up and shine a little bit.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Mac Does it bother people when a quarterback doesn't throw
at the combine? No, nobody bumps on that.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
No, just because of what Rett said.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
First of all, the interviews are really big, and that's
that's where you that's where you start within there. And
then of course the the physicals, the measurements, all of
that stuff is important. But these both of these players,
they're at the top of the quarterback list. They're gonna
get a chance to throw plenty of times. They're gonna
have a they're gonna have a workout at the school,
they're gonna have private workouts. Plus, both of these guys,
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because of what they've done in their collegiate time, have
a lot of tape. There's a lot of tape, So
the in person stuff is way more important for these
guys rather than just a quick blush in the workouts.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Mac This class is so interesting because across the league,
it seems if you read a lot of national media
like we do, there's not really a strong consensus about
how the talent is graded in this draft. It feels
like there's a lot of different opinions on how this
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draft stacks up in terms of are there ten first
round grades? Are there twenty first round grades? It feels
like there's a lot more gray area than normally there is.
Have you found that to be the case as you've
been prepping.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Yeah, And it starts with the quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
It starts with the quarterbacks because the two that we've
talked about it should you know, should Her Sanders you
know that's that's that's number one and cam Ward. They
separated themselves from the rest of those quarterbacks, and what
everybody else is trying to do right now is separate
the other ones.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
That's number one.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
The second thing is this each class is different, but
this last let's put last year's class into it. As
we were as we were driving up at this time
last year, we knew that there was a there was
just a big, long line of offensive tackles that we're
going to be ready to roll.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
That's not the case this year.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
This year, there are more offensive tackles and a lot
them are going to bump. They're going to bump the guards.
But when and I put this are vertical and horizontal
boards together. The thing that is showing up now that's
not hard to grade is the edge rushers. The edge
rushers and also the interior defensive lineman. Now, if you
glump those in as a group, how are you going
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to separate those How are you going to separate those guys?
And in the linebacker group this year, Amy, because you
talk about evaluating, there's a lot of guys that played
off ball linebacker in college that are probably going to
go to edge rushers in the National Football League. So
that's kind of where now when you're looking at it.
And the other thing that I'm want to say, the
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strength of this draft is really the belly of the
draft this year rather than a whole bunch of elite
all the way through the first round, and the belly
of the draft is what really takes some digging to
find out how to separate guys. It's easy to separate
the best from the worst. It's those guys in the
middle that are similar yet different that is what takes
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a real good eye to separate.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Well, the belly of the draft is why you guys
are here. Before we move on from quarterback, it seems
that the national pundits are in disagreement over whether or
not a quarterback will be the top pick in the
NFL draft, whether it's the Tennessee Titans or the Titans
end up trading that pick to somebody else. It doesn't
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seem to be a clear consensus that number one, number two,
even in the top five, really could be a quarterback.
What do cam Ward and schnor Sanders need to do
to solidify themselves not only at the top of the
quarterback pack rehtt, but maybe at the top of the
draft overall.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Well, it starts with a couple things that coach Mack
has already mentioned. First of all, if they would throw
this week, I think that would help them in some ways.
They'll end up probably doing that in their respective pro days.
But the big thing he hit it how they interview
with these teams. This is where you and this goes
for every player, every position, but especially those two when
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you're talking about a top pick and the others that
have been mentioned in MOX. Whether it's you know, edge
pass rush er Abdul Carter from Penn State or Travis Hunter,
the cornerback slash wide receiver from Colorado, all these young
men have to interview well, but certainly these quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Well, the quarter the quarterback part of it is is big.
But in my experience, which covers quite a bit of time,
the quarterbacks that I've been involved with, I would never
draft a quarterback rather than spending extensive time with him
face to face like we are now because I can,
I can watch, I can watch a tape, and all
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these evaluators can watch a tape, But quarterbacks, I mean,
I remember when we were drafting Jim Harbough out of
Michigan to take Jim McMahon's place at the Bears. Then
go all the way to when I was the head
coach of the Cardinals and I was going to draft
Jake Plumber to be our guy and then to replace
him Josh McCown.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Spend a lot of time.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
With those guys and it's extremely important. And then go
recently as to when the number we traded for the
number one pick at the RAMS with the Titans, because
we were vetting two quarterbacks, but we spent a long
time with both of them. It both at where we
were in oxen Ard, California at the time and also
bringing them bringing them in and then going to where
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they were between Jared Golf and Carson Wentz.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
So we finally made the decision on.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Jared Goff, but not without extensive time with them in Parson.
So again, let's let's go back to what's more important
is how they're going to be face to face.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
So really, when it comes to position groups that have
the most to gain this week, well it's not necessarily
the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Let's go to what we.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
All know and what the people on the OTP knowe
because they've listened to us over the over the years.
There are two drafts. There's the quarterback draft and then
there's a positional draft. So the quarterback draft and the
quarterback draft will will start to be when we get
to Indy. I mean, that's where we started the talks
about training with the Titans and the Jared Golf you
know for the number one.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
That's where all these talks.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
And then which quarterback needy team which the Titans are won,
would be willing to want to come up to get
one of these two guys if they're in a spot
where they know if they're sitting, they won't get them.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
You raise an interesting point about vetting quarterbacks because you've
done it over a long period of time and in
a lot of different eras. I guess I'll say, how
different do you think it is vetting quarterbacks now? Given
that you're vetting a guy like Shador Sanders, who's coming
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out not only with a lot of exposure and experience
being the center of attention, but also a lot of money,
a lot of staff, a lot of business initiatives, Like,
it's not the same as when you were vetting a
Jake Plumber.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Well, let me say this, and it's a great point,
you mean, but the big difference is most of these quarterbacks.
When the transfer portal came into being in college football,
the first position that affected was quarterbacks because there's only one,
and those guys were when that when that came to
to fuition, they were leaving if they weren't that guy.
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So now what you're vetting, you're vetting guys that have
played at different places. You're vetting guys that have played
in different systems, and so it's not like you can
just throw on the tape like we can just throw
on the tape, say with Jim Harball at Michigan or
Jake Plumber at Arizona State, and just go through their
whole career there. Now, what you're doing is you're vetting
them not only at different places, and you bring up
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a legitimate point, you're also vetting them at different places
that they've moved because they're getting paid. So all of
that thing, all of that is different and you're you're
exactly right. It's a different environment that you're vetting them
in now.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
And I guess that's not just for quarterbacks. This is
for players across college sports who are going to be
coming into the National Football League. A lot of these
guys have money involved now, they have nil deals, they
have a lot of business initiatives that they are involved
in before they've ever set foot on the professional field.
And Rhett, I imagine it just changes the scope of things.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
A little bit. It absolutely does. And the other thing
I think that's important to note in the time since
coach Mack has made his way through the league too,
it was different because of think about this, there's an
army of people that are evaluating now he was one
of just a handful in each team, especially it's time
with the Bears. Between that and the difference of technology,
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there was no Internet, there was no social media, none
of that stuff, and so there are some advantages. You
have an army of people to help look at stuff
and you've got technology at your fingertips.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
No, that's absolutely true. I mean, it's just the evolution
of the league. And again it goes back to the
fact that when the transfer portal came into being the
first people that affected quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Another group I'm excited to watch this week is the
tight ends.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Mac.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Do you think that of all the position groups that
we're going to see, that might be one of the
best groups in terms of depth.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
It's one of them. It's one of them, and I
think you're correct. This type, this tight end group, the
group that Ret and I have in our tight ends.
I'm just going to go to it give the ot
people a little bit, a little bit of look at
who we have. Who we have on this list. We've
got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven in the
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first four pods, which is a pod? A pod is
not necessarily around a pod. Is the way that they
would come off vertically and horizontally that would match up
across the board as far as the value.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
But the answer is yes.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
And the reason for that is this collegiate football has
evolved now is to where tight ends, just like they
are now in the National Football League, are an intricate
part of offenses.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
People are spinning the ball down the field more and more.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
When I first started doing this, if you were looking
at a tight end, you were looking at a tight
end which was on the line of scrimmage and was
really just a blocker and you might throw him the
football once or twice in a ballgame. Now they are
guys that split out. There are guys that do a
lot of things that they change the personnel grouping with you.
So there's a reason why there are more of them
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now because more of them are migrating to that position.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Rett, Are there some tight ends that you're exceptionally excited
about watching?
Speaker 3 (14:24):
I think one of the ones that has a chance
to really make himself a lot of money and notoriety
is what he built off of with the Senior Bowl.
That's Mason Taylor, the underclassman from LSU who left LSU's
program as the all time tight end and catches and
receiving yards and obviously has a Hall of Fame lineage
with his father Jason Taylor, the pass rusher. But he's
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one I definitely want to see. And I'll tell you
something else, And you mentioned this maybe being one of
the stronger position groups. I think the running back class
has a lot of great value throughout this draft, and
we know that running backs are drafted a little differently.
I think there's being a little more uptick in evaluation though,
because of what you've seen recency bias with Saquon Barkley
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and what he was able to help that team get
to the Super Bowl. Yeah, they shut him down in that,
but it worked. You know, they had the other moving
parts in this. Ashton Genty from Boise State is probably
going to be a first round back. There's a good
chance that Omari and Hampton from North Carolina and Caleb
Johnson from Iowa or there but there's some guys in
the mill rounds and as Max has the belly of
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the draft, that pair from Ohio State that won the
national championship. I mean, Trevion Henderson overcame a terrific a
really bad foot injury a couple of years ago, never
fumbled the ball over six hundred snaps.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
And then his teammate Quinnshawn Judkins, I mean you've got
and then obviously locally Dylan Samson from Tennessee is what
a year he had. But there is value throughout that
entire draft if you're looking for a tailback, especially three
down backs, which is what you need now.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yeah, I'm gonna go back to Titian's.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Another guy that I think helped himself, helped himself at
the Senior Bowl and has helped himself just because of
before he played was Elijah Rorio from Miami. This is
a guy that cam Ward looked at and threw to
a lot down there, and he fits kind of the
mold mouth tight ends six four and four eighths, which
is a half six four and a half two fifty one,
big hands, big hands.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Are you all right? Yeah? That was good map by you?
Though it is well.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
I just you know, I just want to be sure
people know we're not doing the Dewey decimal system of
the metric system.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah, nope. Yeah. Four that's a half. That's a half,
a little over eighty one inch wingspan.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
And this guy he had thirty five catches, five hundred
ninety yards seven touchdowns in twenty twenty four, and he
was coming off a pretty good injury on his left
de in twenty twenty two. And so anyway, they're tight
ends and to Retz point, they're running backstae.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Well, Elijah Royo should be mentioned too. He had a
devastating left knee injury in twenty twenty two, and between
twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three he only played
eight games. Wow, So he came back for twenty twenty
four in a big way because cam Ward his two
favorite targets. Elijah Royo the tight end, and then obviously
the receiver is Xavier Verstrepo.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Well, RTT, do you have a couple other guys on
offense that are like names we should know as the
week continues?
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Yeah, let's take a look at a couple that I
have in mind. One, I'm gonna go to the wide
receivers in this because there is one that really has
my attention Southeastern Conference player, it's Trey Harris from Ole Miss.
Trey Harris six three two ten, one thousand and thirty
receiving yards and ten touchdowns in twenty twenty four. And
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what's interesting about him is he's a converted quarterback. He
was a high school quarterback in Louisiana. The guy he
was throwing all the touchdowns to Malik Neighbors New York Giants. Yeah,
and uh, this is one of two players in Southeastern
Conference history that averaged one hundred yards receiving per game
in his career. So a guy that is I think
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going to turn some heads when you put on the tape. Mac.
He really made some nice plays being one of Jackson
Dart's main targets. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
I mean he's a legitimate He's a legitimate dude.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
And again, we're going to talk about this a lot
when we talk about the draft, the belly of the draft.
He's a guy that's not going to be a top
tier guy, but he's going to be a guy that
somebody's gonna want, that's gonna make their team.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
And the other thing going to the running backs, Brishard Smith,
who we saw at the Senior Bowl SMU one year
there and one year was good. He had nineteen hundred
and seventy seven all purpose yard. Now he's a smaller
guy five nine and change one ninety five, but he's
a converted wide receiver. That's why I say three down
back is you know, so much of this is so
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big in the NFL now and being able to receive
out of the backfield. He was a three year receiver
at the University of Miami before he transferred hit the portal,
went to SMU, and it's converted to running back and
has some explosion there.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Mac. Do you may want to add, of course I do.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
I knew you would.
Speaker 4 (18:54):
Elijah Rorio, We've already talked about the tight end, but
gunn or Hell a tight end from Texas. He's another
guy that that that fits the mold of what we're
talking about. And then we talk about running backs and
you talked about him earlier being the in the belly
of the draft.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Caleb Johnson from Iowa.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
Is someone that's gonna is gonna get some attention in
that middle part of the draft.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Devon Neil running back from KU is a Lawrence kid
Uh and and then really did a nice JEP. Kansas
has kind of resurfaced as a as a good football team.
Devin O'Neil and then Court frog Uh, Jack Jack Besh
from TCU. I mean, I'd be remiss not to mention
Jack Besh. Everybody knows the national story about the tragedy
with his brother and then he he's a guy that
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that was really not only a good football story, but
a good a good human interest story at the at
the Senior Bowl. And so Jack Besh and then West
Virginia offensive lineman Wyatt Milam. We sat and talked with
Wyatt Mila Mayre. And then I'll give you another one.
There's an Arizona offensive lineman named Jonah SAVANAA that is
is a is a big tackle body that might move inside.
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So those are some guys.
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Speaker 2 (20:39):
All right, so let's.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Dig in now to the defense, because there's a lot
to talk about on defense, and it felt like the
best way to bridge the conversation from offense to defense
was with Travis Hunter. As we all know or most
people know, when he was at Colorado, he played both
corner and white guy played basically every snap of the game.
(21:05):
This week, he is being listed as a corner mac.
Why is that the best place for him to be?
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Well, they have to designate one spot for him to
work at primarily, so everybody, everybody was in consensus that
he should work there.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Now he will also do wide receiver drills. He will
do wide receiver drills. But when you start looking.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
At there's very few that have played both ways in
the National Football League. First of all, when he comes
into the league, I believe he will be able to
play both ways. But he's not going to be able
to do major both ways like he did at Colorado.
I mean he played one hundred and nine snaps a game.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
That's crazy. Yeah, that won't happen in the National Football League.
But he is. He is a special athlete. He's an
elite athlete. The corner.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
The transition from concentrating on corner to just then also
being able to be a spot player at wide receiver
is much easier than the reverse way, much easier than
the reverse way, so he had to have a designation.
He will work out with all the cornerback drills and
then it's going to be interesting there in Lucas Oil
to watch and see what receiving drills he does. But
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saying it here before we even go to the we're
on our way to the combine. He'll play both ways
in this league. How much he does a lot less
than he did at Colorado, but he will. I think
he will follow in the footsteps a little bit of
what his mentor, Dion Sanders did. To remember back when
Dion came out, Dion was a corner, but then later
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as his career evolved, they also used him on offense.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
So Travis Hunter twenty twenty four Heisman Trophy winner, ninety
six catches, twelve hundred and fifty eight yards, fifteen touchdowns,
thirteen point one per catch. On defense, thirty five tackles,
three picks, eight pass breakups, and he had some dings
and dents towards the end of the season. I think
he'll be healthy and ready to go this week. The
thing I'm interested to see is if he runs that
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gauntlet drill with the wide receivers. I think that would
show me a little something on on how he can
shift and move. But what what about his skill set
makes it easy for him to go uh dB? First?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (23:09):
The footwork? Is it?
Speaker 2 (23:10):
What?
Speaker 3 (23:10):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (23:11):
He's got twitch, he's got length, and he's he's really
really he's a really uh football aware player.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
His spatial awareness is really good.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
He reminds me a lot of what Dion used to
do a lot, especially at Florida State. Dion would act
like he was beat to bait the quarterback to throw
to him, and then he would he would jump it.
This kid has got enough twitch to do that, and
he played a lot more offense than Dion played at
Florida state.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
But he's a he's a superb athlete. He's flexible, he's.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Got twitch, and he's got speed, and his his hand
eye coordination, especially specially with the ball, is superb.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
When you're able to do both and do both well.
Is there a strategy to where you're listed? You kind
of survey the crop of people in both and say, ah,
could get picked a little bit higher here if I'm
a corner instead of what we're working with with this
group of receivers or is that just me guess.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
The money now?
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Yeah, if you look at the franchise tags for elite
corners to elite receivers is getting pretty close. And especially
now with the way that this all dovetails into how
the salary CAP's going to be. With the increase in
the salary cap, those numbers have started to come together
really close.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Here in the National Football League, it's never just one thing.
All of these business things are interconnected. That's part of
what makes the combine so much fun, folks, because there's
a lot of stuff going on here. It's not just
the workouts, my friends. There's also the business side of it.
That's a whole different game within the game. It's very
interesting rhtt. I want to talk to you about Abdul
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Carter because he's been getting a ton of attention, But
I have a feeling that there are some other prospects
that could make the case this week to challenge him
for being be completely unchallenged top spot at edge rusher.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Do you agree with me? Well, no, I don't agree
with you. I mean, Abdul Carter is he's the top
prospect in this and you did get some argument about,
you know, Travis Hunter being the other part of that,
but abduall Carter is the top person on our board.
But to coach Max's point, this edge pass rusher and
really when you pepper in the interior defensive line, those
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are maybe the two richest positions in this draft. But
the edge rushers, good lord, there's a bunch of them.
But you mentioned Abdul Carter. You saw what he did
in the college football playoffs with one arm, just wrecking people.
But Jalen Walker from Georgia is somebody that is right
underneath him in our first pod on this board, six
two two forty five eighty five tackles, twelve for lost,
five quarterback sacks. He's the Butckets Award winner this year,
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First Team All American and he's a wrecker. He is
Shamar Stewart from Texas A and m is a guy
we saw at the Senior Bowl. Six five and an eighth,
two eighty one eighty four inch wingspan, nearly forty five tackles,
ten for loss, seven quarterback sacks. He's a big, long
prospect that's gonna hurt. We know about Mike Green. We
interviewed him on the OTP. What a fantastic young man
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he is. And the quarterback sack winner in college football
was seventeen of those, Mike hil Williams from Georgia, James
Pierce from Tennessee, Donovan Ezeraku from Boston College, who was
also at the Senior Bowl. There's a bunch of guys
who are going to be I mean, Mac, would you
safely say there'd be eight to ten edge pass rushers
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that could go in the first round?
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Well, seven for sure.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
You just named the seven that I think will in
some form or another be there, because I mean that's
a premium position, big time premium position.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
And then right under them, we got J. T.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Tuomolo from Ohio State, Jack Sawyer from Ohio State who
is just a different type of an edge player.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
But again, if you're running.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
A four to three defense and you want a big
body out there on the end, Landon Jackson from Arkansas,
Birch from Oregon, and then Nick Gorton from Texas A
and m there's a couple of aggies there. So we've
already named off twelve guys right now that will be
in the first two pods.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
So yes, this is a deep, deep draft for edge rushers.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Now, you also mentioned the interior defensive lineman. Give me
some names that you're looking to watch perform this week.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Mason Graham is at the top of the boards right
now from Michigan, Derek Harmon from Oregon, Kenneth Grant from Michigan. Again,
I mean they had a really good defense there, Tylee
Williams from Ohio State, and then move on down. You
got Alfred Collins from Texas. You've got Shamar Turner from
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from Texas A, and m Darius Alexander here we're into
a smaller school, but from Toledo that is going to
be a guy that you're really going to want to
look at. And then Walter Nolan, who we saw at
the Senior Bowl really stood out at the Senior Bowl
and the University of Mississippi had four really good defensive
line Walter Nolan stood out.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
And then Jordan Phillips from Maryland.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
I mean, those are the top two pod tiers of
guys that we have right now, and they even go
deeper than that. As you want to start going down.
Omar Norman Lot from Tennessee is right in that group.
That's right below that. And remember these pods are not
anything set in stone. So if somebody comes across and
they look horizontally on their board and all of a sudden,
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Ombar Norman Lot is there, and they compare him better
to a linebacker, say Chris Paul, and they say.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Well, Norman Lot is more valuable to us, then he'll
go higher.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Joshua Farmer Florida State is another one that you're going
to hear a lot about. He mentioned Derek Harmon from Oregon.
There's another guy from Oregon, Jamari Caldwell, who is a
transfer from Houston, and he didn't have as quite a
big a production in twenty twenty four as he did
with Houston in twenty three. But I think that's a
guy that a lot of eyes will be on and
then we saw the monster d lineman from Kentucky, Dion
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Walker at the Senior Bowl. There's a bunch of value
along the defensive line in this draft.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Are there a couple players whose names we maybe haven't
heard a lot about yet, but we should definitely be
keeping our eyes on this week, Rhett, I'll start with you.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
I'm gonna go with small school guys because I'm always
interested to see who gets invited to these things. And
if you're in a smaller pond of fish, you've done
something or you wouldn't be there, and this guy was
I'll start with Since we're on defense, I'll start with
defense in this and we saw him at the Senior Bowl.
David Walker from Central Arkansas measured in at six feet
and five eight inches, so he's an undersized guy to
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sixty seven seventy seven inch wing But listen to the
resume of this guy. He was a Buck Buchanan, which
is the top defensive Player of the Year in FCS.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
He was a.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Finalist in that in twenty twenty two. He won it
in twenty twenty four. He was the ASUN Defensive Player
of the Year in twenty twenty two, but forty five
solo tackles, ten and a half sacks, four forced fumbles
in twenty twenty four, but in his career sixty three
tackles for loss and thirty one quarterback sacks in thirty
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four games. He's kind of a poor man's Jarrell Casey
if we're talking about but he come, you would think,
you know, being more squatty into the ground, but he's
really good at edge rushing moves. So that's one, and
then the other one on offense is an offensive lineman
from William and Mary Called. His name is Charles Grant.
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He's six four and a half three hundred pounds. He
allowed just one quarterbacksack on three hundred and thirty four
pass blocking snaps in twenty twenty four. And you're talking
about a guy that was a two hundred and forty
pound recruit in high school with a wrestling background, and
he grew into his body. He obviously the competition that
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he faced is going to come into question in this,
but he shows he showed at the East West Rine
game he can actually hold his own a little bit.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Mac.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
You are feverishly wrestling papers away in here. I thought
maybe you had someone specific that you were excited about telling.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Us about I do.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
But I'm gonna get I'm gonna get his stats here,
or I might let just rehtt do this guy's We
talked about Mississippi having some defensive players. JJ Pegeese is
a guy on the interior defensive front. He started his
career out as a tight end and then grew into
a defensive lineman. But when you when you put the
tape on and you watch him play, this is a guy.
This is a guy that you look and say, well,
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this is just a football player. And so JJ Pegeese
And then another guy that I've got here on defense
from Kentucky, a cornerback named Maxwell Harriston. This guy, I'm
really interested to see what he runs at the combine.
It's gonna be really important. He really had a nice
senior Bowl. He had a nice senior Bowl.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
He was sticky. He was in phase.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
Sticky means that I mean he didn't have a lot
of wasted steps when he was matching the routes that
were coming at him, and then he was in phase.
In phase means when they get further down the field,
that I mean he held his water pretty good.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
He didn't panic when the all was in the air.
I'm interested in those two guys.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
And then of course, look I got a couple on
offense that I've got to go right here.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Yeah, Frog, I knew it was coming.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Save you on Williams up from TCU sixty five, two
hundred and twenty five pounds last year, sixty passes, six
hundred eleven yards, six touchdowns, fifty one carries. They used
him a lot, you know, on in the round stuff,
three hundred and thirty two yards and six more tds.
In addition, this guy was three for three passing for
twenty two yards. Size athleticism. Now, these aren't combine these
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aren't combined numbers. These are school numbers. But he's ten
six on the broad jump, which is a lot of
explosion for a guy that long squatted six hundred pounds,
which is lower body strength, and he was clocked at
twenty two and a half miles an hour. I'm looking
forward to seeing him, Okay, Frog, I'm gonna.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
I want to circle back to your first two guys
when you talked about Max Harrison. First of all, he
saw him at Senior Bowl five eleven and change one
seventy nine. Wiry build in nineteen timesackles, one tackle for loss,
a sack, and an interception, four pass breakups, two forced
fumbles in twenty twenty four. He'll be a medical check
guy because he had a shoulder injury against Georgia in
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twenty twenty four. He missed five games, so that's something.
But because he practiced and played in senior ball, I'm
probably gonna check out. Okay there, but JJ Pegeese that
he mentioned from ole Miss, one of those four defensive
linemen that's at the Combine this week. He was an
East West Shrine guy. Really showed off and the athleticisms
there because Max' right, he was a converted tight end.
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He actually was played some tight end at Auburn and
they transferred to ole Miss six to two three twenty
five forty two tackles, eighteen solo tackles, three and a
half sacks in twenty twenty four. And the kind of
person he is as far as loving the game, being
good to his teammates. He was the Chucky Mullins Award
Courage Award winner in twenty twenty four, which it's kind
of like wearing that number at LSU, wearing that number
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at Texas a and m you wear number thirty eight
if you want the rest of your time at Ole
Miss And that's a huge, huge honor. They actually used
him in short yardage stuff as a full back and
as a running back to move the chains in some
tush push kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
You know, when Rett and I are putting this stuff together,
I watch all the tape and then there's all this,
all these nice little nuggets.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
These are ret nuggets, which are which are really really important.
I mean ret Nuggies, red nuggies.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
And that's why, that's why we will be going back
and forth when we when we do the draft.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
I'm writing down ret nuggets because that just screams some
sort of partnership.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
It is. That's what it is. It's what we do
and brought to when we're when we're doing our.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
Draft show on draft day, you'll hear Coach Mack give
a lot of what's on the tape, and then the
ret nuggets will.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Follow what follow nuggets.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
The other guy I want to talk about on our
fence as soon as you compose yourself over.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
There, I think it's funny.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
It is funny.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
It is a guy named Basil Tooton from Virginia Tech
little running back. He was originally at North Carolina A
and T five eleven two hundred eight.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Four to three to two.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
In the forty twenty three miles an hour vertical jump
of thirty nine inches, he averaged more than six yards
per carry.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
And again, I don't.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Know how many people have ever watched North Carolina A
and T. I know people have watched Virginia Tech. But
Basil Touton is a.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Guy to know. Love it.
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You guys, I am so excited before I let you go,
I thought this might be a fun game regardless of position.
Who is the top player in the NFL draft as
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it stands? Right now, Monday, February twenty.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Fourth, Abduall Carter, Edge Rusher Penn State Mac.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Well, he's already said Abdul Carter, hadn't he.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Well, yeah, you can agree with him. You're well Travis
Hunter then okay.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
I mean they're both. They are both. That's that's the
ying and the yang of this draft. That that is
a ying and the yang of this draft. You will
not go wrong with either one of those guys at
the top of the draft if you pull their card
on draft.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Day, if you if you hear Mike Borganzi, general manager
of the Titans, speak about blue players, those two blue players.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Well rhtt you set me up for a great transition
because Mike Borganzi is going to be on this podcast.
He will be here on the OTP with us along
with Brian Callahan. Both will be making an appearance on
the OTP during our time in Indianapolis, so you don't
want to miss that. Also, we'll be talking to anyone
(36:58):
who will stop to talk to us.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Really, we've got.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
A ton of people that we're going to get their
thoughts and opinions about the draft and the Titans and
free agency and all of the things that are going on.
So if you are not subscribed to the OTP, now
is your time. Go to wherever you get your podcasts,
click the subscribe button. That way, every podcast that we
do it's going to come right to your phone or
(37:21):
device or whatever it is you listen to podcasts on. Also,
if you are more of a visual person, you might
know we have the OTP on video so you can
watch us record this.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Anytime you want to.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Tennessee Titans YouTube channel is where you can find that,
so be sure to subscribe to that as well, so
that you know when we have podcasts. But I can
just tell you right now, it's gonna be all week long. Friends.
We are going to be doing the OTP from Indianapolis
throughout the NFL Scouting combine. You do not want to
miss it. Guys, thank you so much for getting us
(37:57):
ready to go. I cannot wait to get to Indy.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
We're locked in now. This is this is a great
time of year for all of us. I love it.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
It is always good to go to Indie path.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
That yes, it's on all right for Rett Bryan coach Mac.
I'm Amy Wells and this has been the OTP. We're
going to ind
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