February 26, 2025 • 38 mins
Amie Wells, Rhett Bryan, and Dave McGinnis visit with NFL Network's Daniel Jeremiah and Charles Davis at the 2025 NFL Scouting Combine on the OTP, presented by Farm Bureau Health Plans.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
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edition of the OTP. I'm Amy Wells. Hett Brian is here,
Coach Mack is here. We're all in Indianapolis for the
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twenty twenty five NFL Scouting Combine, which I believe very
strongly is the greatest event of the year. And we
have the opportunity to talk to so many people while
we're here. That's what makes this whole thing so great,
and we want to share those conversations with you, so
I'm not gonna waste any more of your time. We're
gonna get right to it. Here's our first guest, NFL
Network's very own Daniel Jeremiah. Daniel Jeremiah, thank you so
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much for taking some time to hang out with us
on the OTP. It's so good to see you in Indianapolis.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
It's great to be here. I feel like, uh, your
location maybe has changed a little bit from the last
year that we were here. I feel like they're kind
of spicing it up a little bit.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
It is we're backwards, we're on the opposite side of
the room, and it's a little bit jarring, but we're
seeing some new friends.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
We're meeting new people.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Looks nice and you get a chance to monitor the
exit with where you're located. Course is ducking out, who's
not hard, which teams want it?
Speaker 4 (01:25):
You know what I mean. It's been rearranged.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Exactly, but it seems very on brand for this year's
draft because this draft class is a little bit different.
It's a little bit strange. What have you noticed about
this group because it feels it feels different than in
previous years.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah, I think that, you know, look, the elephant in
the room is the sex. Appeal with drafts is quarterbacks
and then secondary it's probably wide receivers because those are
the players that you watch on a Saturday and you're
watching college football. The guys you notice and the guys
that stand out to most fans is a guy throwing
the ball and the guy catching the ball. And this
draft isn't necessarily really you know, strong in that in
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that regard. So that's why people are, you know, people have,
you know, kind of to be honest, have kind of
ripped on this draft, like, oh, what are you gonna get?
It's it's it's not a good draft. My whole thing
is this is a starter draft. Like there are starters.
There is a long line of starters you can find
in this draft. Guys you're not gonna have to replace.
You're gonna plug them and play them and not worry
about him for another seven eight years. At those spots
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and there's a there's a good group of those guys.
And I would say at the top, at least position
player wise, I think there's two there are two special players.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
To me.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Abdul Carter is a rusher with what he does is
pretty dynamic and pretty special. And then Travis Hunter with
all that he can do, and I'm fascinated to see
his usage. But you know, we don't see a lot
of those type of guys come into the league. So
those are some fun pieces there at the very top.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
The quarterbacks are an interesting group because there's a bit
of a debate over QB one QB two different pundits
say different and things different analysts have put them in
different places. I have a feeling this is a debate
that's going to linger until April. We're just not really
going to know until the first guy comes off the board.
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As it stands today February twenty fifth, who do you
have in that QB one spot and tell me why?
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Look, I think there's two quarterbacks that separated from the group,
cam Ward and Shadoor Sanders, And it's a to simplify it,
I would say, you can go floor ceiling, and to me,
Shador has a little bit higher floor. He's more polished.
You know, you kind of know what you're buying with him,
someone who's going to be you know, efficient and accurate.
Ball placement's really good. These are good qualities to have,
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by the way, But you know, arm strength wise, not
top shelf arm strength, not a ton of twitch, which
sounds crazy to say, you know, considering his dad, but
just not a ton of twitch and movement, you know there,
And then you know he's got some habit things he
can clean up drifting and taken some sacks over the
last couple of years to see that clean up. But
I feel like you get him with the right pieces
and protect him with an offensive line, he's gonna operate efficiently.
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Cam ward to me is ceiling in his upside. He
has a lot of twitch in his body, a lot
of twitch in his arm. The ball jumps out of
his hand when he decides to move like I'm not
talking about as like a dynamic runner, but you get
a free rusher. He's got enough twitch to be able
to get away from him and avoid him and then
make a play. So those are kind of more of
those high end traits. Now he's loose, He plays really loose.
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It's gotten better throughout his career, but there's still moments
where he's rolling right and you see the ball thrown
across his body and you're gonna go, what are you doing?
You can't do that. But he's been able to dig
himself out a lot of those holes because of the
talent that he has. So the way I changed looking
at this thing over the last five or six years
is in the AFC. There are so many cyborg quarterbacks
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in the AFC that you have to navigate around to
get where you want to go. That if you if
you go with the floor three years from now, you're
gonna go, you know what, good player, but he's not
good enough get us past these guys. You know, the
Josh Allens, the Mahomes, the Burrows, the Lamar Jackson's, the Herberts.
I mean that's a I'm just that's the tip of
the iceberg there. So I don't want to I don't
want to make a selection that I'm gonna have to
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replace three or four years from now. I'd rather chase
the ceiling. And if I miss, guess what, I'm gonna
go chase the ceiling one more time.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
That makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
You've worked the front office, You've been boots on the
ground in this league evaluating players. If you were with
the Titans right now, what would you be excited about
in this draft?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I'd be excited about the defensive line and knowing full
well that that's already a strength of this team and
some of the pieces that are in place. The way
Sweat played last year was awesome too. You know, when
you've got him and Simmons this that's a pretty good
place to start. I'm just looking at it going, Okay,
you know, we've got a lot of holes, We've we've
got a lot of things we need to accomplish. I've
got pushback when I've said this, because people have said, well,
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people always say you can get the quarterback down the line,
and that's not the way it works. There's no guarantees.
I hear that. But then I also can give you
about eight different teams that have done that. I can
tell you about Houston deciding to wait and then getting
c J. Stroud a year after waiting, the Bears trading
out of the first pick, getting Caleb Williams the very
next year. There's a lot of teams that have done that.
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And if I'm if I'm the Titans, I've got a chance.
If I take Abdul Carter to say, all right, I
know we've got holes and we've got things we need
to fill, but we are going to have one of
the best defensive lines in the National Football League. And
to me, outside of quarterback, it's the second most important
position you want. It's hard, hard press, showing a dominant defense. Coach,
maybe you can enlighten me on this, but show me
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a dominant defense in the history of this league that
didn't have big time defensive line play.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Just check the Super Bowl we just watched.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
You know.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
My favorite, my favorite story about that. I was talking
to a buddy with the Eagles and he was talking
to someone, I won't mention the team. I want out
the team. But this was in the off season and
he said, he said, you know what, I think our
front four stacks up pretty well with your front four.
I know you got a great ful but I put
our front four right up there. He goes, Yep, you
probably can. But you know what, we got four behind
him that you don't have. That's the difference. We got
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eight of them. You got four of them that you're
confident about. We got waves, we got more of them.
So I just think you can't have enough. You can't say, well,
we've got we've had a couple dominant defensive linemen. Well,
you know what I want. I'm greedy. I want to
give me all of them. I want. It's hard to
be it's hard to be a bad defense with a
dominant defensive Lie.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
Well, I mean and you saw it. You saw it
in the Super Bowl. I mean I've lived it. You've
lived it with the team that you were with. What's
so important is and they stuck with it. They rushed
four no, no run road four Daniel, and then covered, yeah,
covered with seven. And when you can do that, you're
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four over three, three over two. That's just the math.
It was beautiful to watch. As a lifelong defensive dude.
I loved it, and I know.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
You did too.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I sent Jeremiah text after the game because I didn't
know if he was going to be aware of it
and full to go to Jim Washburn's son, Jeremiah.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Washburn, and I.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Said, I just literally sat like rushed for the entire game.
Exclamation point, exclamation point, exclamation point. I said, how sweet
was that? I mean, that was That's your dream if
you coach that position, is to say, just let us
do our thing with four. We don't need anything else,
he said.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
He told me.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Uh, we were talking afterwards, He's like, I don't know
that we had a call that we didn't install day
one a training camp.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Wow, Like there was no frills, there was no We're
just gonna line up and.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Just go yeah wow, deft tailed off of that.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
The thing that we've put together, of course, you live
this stuff. Edge rushers and the interior defensive lineman of
this draft.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
That's the group, right, Oh my gosh, coach I had
last year. I looked it up and with the grading
skill that I use, the and this is what we
learned in Baltimore. One of the grades is potential starter, Right,
so you have like role players back up and then
potential starter, eventual starter, you know, on and on well
of like potential like guys who have the potential to
start defensive tackles. Last year I gave out twelve of
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those grades. This year I gave out twenty four. Wow,
twenty four. I've never had a year with this many guys.
And it's not wishing and hoping. It's not he's two
hundred and seventy five pounds, you know, if he can
put on twenty pounds, this guy's three sixty. If he
can lose forty pounds, this guy doesn't. These are all
six foot three, three hundred and five, three hundred and
fifteen pound guys like scheme diverse, can penetrate, can hold
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up versus doubles like. These are not pretend dudes. These
are real dudes. Like there's a million of them.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
I mean that that's so good here ret night. You know,
we put together a vertical on the horizontal board. Yeah,
and as we work through, all of a sudden it
just jumps out at you when you start putting them
in pods.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Yeah, I mean those dudes, that's legit.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yeah, they're legit dudes. And you know the fun thing
is in the college game, you know, people can look
at sacks and go, Okay, this guy know how to rush.
It's hard to get to the quarterback in college. They
have spread you from sea to shining sea, and the
ball is coming out so fast, and so I think
some of these guys, you're like, oh, this defensive tackle
we had, you know, one and a half sacks or
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two sacks, and I'm like, look at my paper and
I see the words block destruction like over and over
and over, like they're winning the battle. They can't win
the war because the ball's gone. Well, the NFL, you
get a little more opportunity to get home. So that's
why I think you'll see even more from this group
as they get to the next level.
Speaker 7 (10:14):
One of the other needs the Titans have, and they
have quite a few, but one thing Brian Callahan mentioned
the very first press conference the day the season was
over is that they need to right tackle.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (10:24):
Last year's draft loaded with top tackle talent in the
top round and stuff throughout. This year different And I'm
the reason I'm asking this. We saw the Titans do
this with Peter Scornsky at number eleven a couple of
years ago. I think there's a lot of guys that
played tackle in college maybe don't have the length and
may move inside in this Could we see more Peter
Skeroonsky two point zeros in this draft?
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, And I think that's again there's a lot of
teams that have gone with that philosophy if they want
to have five offensive tackles on their offensive line. So
maybe some of these offense sackles just didn't have the
length to stay there once they got to the NFL.
But they have you know, we call like left tackle feet.
They've got the feet, then, okay, the length, that's fine,
We'll kick him inside and off we go. And this
draft has a bunch of those. It's not a great
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tackle draft. Like it's hard even in most years where
it's a good it's hard to find starters at you know,
at tackle outside the first round. They're just it's the
it's the whole theory, the big planet theory. There's only
so many of these guys walking around planet Earth that
are this big and this athletic, So it's not then
this is one of those years where outside the first round,
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I think you're gonna have to, you know, have some
patience here, more developmental type players that you can work
with down the line. But I'd be you know, i'd
be wanting to a dress that in free agency a
little bit, just at least have a placeholder there and
to buy me some time. Why try and develop some
of these young guys well.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
And that's a little bit of an anomaly that last
year was because there were dudes last year, yeah, as
offensive tackles that didn't have very often.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
No, it doesn't.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
And that's why I say this year seems like, you know,
it's a little bit barren, but just compared it to
what happened last year. And so if you got one
last year, you did a pretty good thing.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Yeah, one hundred percent, coach. And then you know, the
other thing is you get the right offensive line coach,
which there is in place there. Yes, now, all of
a sudden you get a first round player in the
fourth round, but it's provided we can be patient with
them for a year, you know, a year or two years.
And to me, that's why you have the luxury with
an offensive line coach to chase the ceiling. You can
go after some of these raw offensive linemen, and hey,
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we're gonna be patient. You know, this is not a
team that's gonna win the Super Bowl next year. You
earn the first pick, it wasn't given to you. So
let's let's think about where this team is and let's
start let's look at the three year mark. We're drafting
guys who are going to be who we want them
to be, you know, three years into this process.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
With that mentality, this seems like a really good draft
for the Tennessee Titans because there are some of those
players that would warrant that top billing if they are
chosen there. But there's also a lot of places where
the Titans can plug some holes and get some real
guys who can play at some premium positions.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Right yeah, at premium positions, and I would say, I
think there's tremendous value and even some of the non
premium positions where you know, not necessarily that it's the
biggest need in the world, but you're going to get
a running back if you want to just add another
guy into your stable in the fourth round, is a
really good player. You're going to get a tight end
in the fourth or fifth round who's going to be
a really good player. That's where you can find even
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some value in this draft is some of those positions
that maybe aren't the high you know, high target, high
value positions. But this year there's depth there. So defensive line.
My goal in this draft, if if I'm a team
that's picking up there in the top five, I would
love to have three new guys in my defensive line
room by the end of the draft, and that there's
enough talent there to take you all the way through
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to the end where you know, if your defensive line
coach isn't high fiving you after this draft, you probably
did it wrong.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
I mean to ask you something structurally, just the way
you look at it, the way you look at.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
This thing when we started putting this together. Every year
is different.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
You know, I've done it a while, So of you,
where do you think the belly of the draft is?
Just pod wise? Number wise two through five too through?
Where do you think that is?
Speaker 2 (13:57):
I think to me, the sweet spot of this draft
code is really like and this is kind of a
weird range, but twenty to like seventy, there you go.
I think that's probably that sweet spot where I don't know,
there's a big difference between twenty and seventy, but I
think that that is the you know, the grade that
I have is like a sixty three grade. That's just
a sea of them. It's made, if you know, to
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be honest, this is kind of off the off the
being path. It's harder to stack players like vertically this
year than any other year because they're so similarly graded.
It's like, well, I don't represent a team, so I
can't tell you if I'd rather have the six three
safety or the six three off the ball linebackers. So
they're all the they're literally all the same grade. They're
all starters you're not gonna have to replace. Might not
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be Pro Bowl players, but they're gonna be steady, solid, reliable,
dependable players. Twenty to seventy in this draft. You can
find a ton of them.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
But that's a great answer when redt and I start
putting our national one together, that's kind of what.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
You look at.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
Yeah, you look at you go, Okay, this is a
really important horizontal draft in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yeah no, I don't. I think you're gonna get altitude
sickness this year. You know, in terms of the talent
up there at the top. But there's a lot to
find there in that little suite.
Speaker 7 (15:06):
Yeah, Daniel, is that why when we get to around
that twenty spot in the first round, you'll see some
interesting picks because it'll be maybe best player available type selection.
They are not you know what's.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Going to happen. I already know what's going to happen,
and this is not this. I guarantee this is going
to happen. Is you're going to have a player get
picked at twenty two and then people are gonna go,
he was not on anybody's top fifty, and then we go,
but you know what, he's my fifty third player and
he had the exact same grade as the guy that
I had at twenty. So it's just flavor. It's just
whatever you want.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Yep, Daniel Jeremiah. We so appreciate you taking the time
to get us fired up about this draft. This is
going to be a good one.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I need you to not pick number one next year.
That's the thing.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
That's the goal, you know, that's our goal to.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
We go back to talk about who's going to fall
to us. That's what we need to do next. There
you go, that'll be us next year.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Good to see you, guys.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Good to see you.
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Speaker 3 (16:28):
Back to the OTP.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Charles Davis joins us here on the OTP. Charles, we
always love catching up with you in Indianapolis.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
It's great to see you all, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Lovely to see you. We want to get your thoughts
right off the bat on. Travis Hunter, Yeah, play both
ways in college. Now officially listed as a corner. Why
was that so advantageous for him to be listed as
a corner entering this draft?
Speaker 8 (16:51):
You know, I don't know if it's advantageous as much
as it is a declaration than anything else. Because some
teams see him as receiver, some team see him as
a corner. The ownership's gonna have to get involved in
how they see him. Yeah, right, Do I want him
to score touchdowns? Do I need that for my information?
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I just think that the idea that he's going to
go both ways at the level he did in college.
I don't want to use the word folly, but let's
just say I can't see it. It's a whole different world.
It's a whole different game. I will say this, I'm
beyond impressed. One hundred and eleven plays per ball game,
and he was making plays deep into ball games too.
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It wasn't that he made his plays in the first
half and the second half he gas out and nothing
would happen. He's knocking the ball free to keep him
from scoring a touchdown and win a game. He's catching
one late in the ball game to bring him back
from a in a big comeback. I mentioned, you guys,
remember Gordy Lockball holy Cross, He was a two way player.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
And I said it earlier today, and I just hope
the Holy Cross.
Speaker 8 (17:57):
People don't come for me because I meant it as
a compliment Gordy going both ways. But our pace of
play Coach Mack, it was a whole different ballgame. We
huddled on every snap. We you know, we took our time.
We did this one hundred and eleven plays. I would
imagine Gordy.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Was playing.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Eighty right may depending on depending on right.
Speaker 8 (18:22):
And and that means that doesn't mean I'm taking anything
away from him. If Gordy had played and we were
doing it at this pace, he would have done it
at that pace. He just it's just it's a different,
different deal. I just don't see him playing full time
both ways. Maybe some packages one way or the other.
But I think they're gonna want to specialize in one.
Isaiah Simmons is the name always comes to mind for me.
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He wasn't a two way player, remember him coming out
of clumpson sure, but but but he was the one
that we can play him here, We can play him here,
and we can play him here and he hasn't played
anywhere yet.
Speaker 7 (18:52):
Yeah, what is he?
Speaker 3 (18:53):
And that was a.
Speaker 8 (18:56):
Jack of all trades, master of none, couldn't settle in
one spot. I would want to get Travis Settles.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
Well, let me ask you about Travis for a second,
because the receiver part of it intrigues me. The one
thing I want to see him do this week is
run the gauntlet. Yeah yeah, I think we all do,
and I think he'll do it well. If he doesn't, I.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Think we all just want to see those things right now.
Speaker 8 (19:16):
He's such an exceptional athlete that he's beating people off
of those things. Now, when you go up and coach
Max drawing up defense for you, and he's got some
cats out there, especially when you call that cat defense.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
You got that cat, I got that cat.
Speaker 8 (19:29):
Then we're gonna see some things right see what he
has to go along with it. I'm not betting against him.
I'm just saying the refinement part of it, because when
you go both ways and your practicing, but you can't
do everything right everything, something's gonna slip. And when I
say slip, meaning you just don't have enough time to
hammer everything down. And he's such a great athlete on
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that level, he's gonna win those battles anyway.
Speaker 7 (19:53):
Who are you looking forward to seeing test numbers that
validate and confirm what the film has shown? Oh boy?
Give me a couple of days.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
Questions.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Well, that's a really good question. I want to see.
Speaker 8 (20:06):
I want to see what Mason Graham does from from
from Michigan and testing, because when I watch him come
off on his garbage, man, those hands hit people in
the chest and people go flying backwards, and he's got
a great low center of gravity. And I said, wrestler, right, yeah,
wrestler shocker right right, Coach Max Chacker, He's one that
I want to see because he flat out doesn't look
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it like when he walks around here, you're not gonna
sit there and go that's the two time All American
and what have you. Like.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
He doesn't present that way.
Speaker 8 (20:34):
But I can't wait to watch and see because when
I watch him play, he's more than a handful.
Speaker 6 (20:40):
Now.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
He's more twitched up there, yeah way, and he looks
in the flesh.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
He's more twitched up on the field.
Speaker 8 (20:47):
There's no question about it. I mean, I'm just watching people.
It's like, okay, good luck dealing with that, folks. Yeah,
you know absolutely, And I will say this, this is
just a little bit off the thing. What's the kid
that's out there? Taka Hemingway, Yep, I'm tind to watch
him work out because when I watched those plays with
the wildcat plays and things of that, he's catching wildcat
snaps and normally those big guys they catch them and
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we're going forward and we're creating a pile. My man
sidestepping and evading and throwing a leg out and taking
it away.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
And I want to see this. He jumped cuts. We're
not jump cutting. I want to see this.
Speaker 7 (21:22):
I'm not talking about JJ pegee and a and a
full back package and toush push type deal.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Here they're about to talk for hemingway and shot. He
caught one on a fake punt and he was fully covered.
Coach my man.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
My man was like, this had to hand in the basket,
right If my man threw out.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
A paw and holding in, that's like I got to
see this kid.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
How about receivers. Let us look at receivers a little
bit because we don't we don't talk receivers much. Uh,
you know, because everybody's focused in on the quarterbacks and
everybody's focused in. This is a big man draft, Yeah
it is. You know that you know that you've done.
You're gonna be on air for a hunt hours.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
I mean but the big Man is meat and potatoes.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Drive.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Yeah, the big Man is what it's going to be.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
How about how about And I'm gonna go down the
line here, Ratt and I've already got our first vertical.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
I like it for you, so we'll we'll open this up.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
I'm finding Nashville and getting in on that next meeting.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Come on, come on, Jayden Higgins from Iowa State.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Yeah, Eastern Kentucky kid.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
That's that's why I wanted you to hit on him.
Speaker 8 (22:25):
Eastern Kentucky kid. Walt Wells had him Walt Wells at
Old Tennessee Vall. Walt Walt had him, had a nice
chance to talk with Wall loves the kid, loves everything
about him.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Says he's he's a full on.
Speaker 8 (22:35):
Worker, know you know what to him and just knew
he was too good there that he needed to go
and and imply his craft. Said he's got everything you're
looking for. The biggest thing is the fifty to fifty ball. Yeah,
he'll go get it.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Which it's becoming this league.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
This is it's hard to start to get away from.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
People with guys that the guys that have that kind
of length.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
It's it's throw it up there games to throw it
up their game now, and you know that. I mean
you've played, You've played the defensive back part of it,
and you know that if.
Speaker 8 (23:07):
They see the back of your head, right, coach, it's
coming up. They're throwing it because they're coming up.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Jalen Royals, Yeah, I.
Speaker 8 (23:14):
Saw him at the We all saw him at the
Senior ball right Utah State. I liked him a lot.
He was a guy that you know, coming in, I
was like, Okay, here we go. And then every day
I went on, he's pretty he's pretty good.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
You know. I don't know that he's a blazer.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
I don't think he is.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
I don't think he's a blazer. He's open, but he's open.
You know.
Speaker 8 (23:32):
It's kind of I'm trying to think of who I'm
relating that to Higgins a little bit that way that
I think Higgins is faster.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
He's faster, I think, but Royals, he's just he just
find a way. You know, I'll tell you who it was.
The kid at Arkansas.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Teslaw Teslau, Yes, yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Did he just keep making plays?
Speaker 8 (23:50):
Remember he got the lead invite to the Senior Ball
and then as a week went on, right, every time
he turned around, said, did.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
He just catch another one?
Speaker 8 (23:56):
He's just open, and he's just open. And when he
wasn't open, he created himself.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Every time I see guys like this, By.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
The way, Hillsdale College originally law see where we are now.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
But that's that's the truth, right, every time I see
guys like this, and of course I can't help but
go back to my personal experiences. I mean, I can't
count the number of people that when I was making
a decision, I sat with, you know, I really like
this bolding kid.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Coach, you can't run. Coach, you can't, I said, he's open.
Speaker 8 (24:27):
So so so what does that mean for the others?
But he's open, he can't run anyway. If he can't run,
what do they do it?
Speaker 1 (24:35):
We mentioned as we're talking about receivers, we have mentioned
there's no big names, but there's still a lot of
good talent in there. How beneficial is that going to be?
As this draft goes on?
Speaker 4 (24:45):
It's gonna be very beneficial.
Speaker 8 (24:47):
I've said it for years now, and I think I'm
right on this one. If we're gonna keep playing the
game the way we're playing it every year, there's gonna
be a lot of receivers. Now, will some be more
sexier than others, Yes, But every you're gonna get a
bunch of receivers are gonna come into the league and play.
That's why I'm always telling guys, if you're the fourth
receiver on your team, why don't you learn to backpedal
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because you have much better opportunity to make it numbers,
flip it around, find something right because somebody got covered
these guys. Somebody's got to be present themselves for these guys.
Go try and do that. Terry McDaniel, how I played
with the Tennessee is a phenomenal example. He was a receiver,
he couldn't get any traction. Guess what he became an
all pro corner.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah, figured it.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Out, Charles.
Speaker 7 (25:31):
We saw Jack Besh steal the show in the Senior Bowl,
and what a wonderful moment. You know, he's named MVP
a month to the day. Yeah, when his brother Tiger
tragically passed away in New Orleans. But there was a
lot of guys I think got lost down there, and
I know that you were a big part of the
broadcast and all the things down there. I want you
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to give me some stuff on Elkiam man Or from Stanford.
Speaker 8 (25:55):
I wanted to see him. I was excited to see him,
and then he left early. He left early. But when
you watch him play, you can see why he got invited.
And by the way, it's not like Canada isn't giving
us receivers. I know that Clay has kind of flamed out.
Remembers rookie year in.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Good right, Joshua Palmer, as a Canadian kid, came down
and has played well.
Speaker 8 (26:20):
So we're getting guys who you know, the athletes are
around and available, and that's what I think about him.
But I really wanted him around because in his bio
his mother was an arm wrestler as a kid. Now
you remember two years ago with Beijing. That's see, this
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is just stop him.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
Remember this is why when you sit down and you
listen and you sit with had so many of these
conversations with Charles Davis, stuff comes up that nobody else
knows go.
Speaker 8 (26:56):
So you remember we were all there with Tyson Baijey,
his dad, right, the dad over saving all week right,
worked the mic like a WWE guy and our guy,
our guy, Tom Pelisaro got up there and that's one
of the funniest things I've ever seen, because because the
guy was working the mike, he's like, oh, just go
ahead and submit, man, it's easier for you if you
just just let it happen, right. And so Tom was
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there and I said, Tom, this is the kid you've
got to get. And I said, if you read the
bio on him, he said no, And I told him
about the mom. He said, oh my god, he said,
you're trying to set me up. Get beat up again.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
I said, yes, I am, Yes, I didn't care for it.
And then the kid left.
Speaker 8 (27:32):
But it was too bad because he, you know, he
he put up some performances.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Now who is that that he chewed up? I think
it was Colorado.
Speaker 8 (27:39):
Colorado absolutely just just chewed them up, like to way
over to like fifteen catches that night, and they upset
Colorado that day.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Yes, they did.
Speaker 7 (27:47):
So Mom should be armor man or yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
I mean, I was just reading the bio. I was
on the floor. I was like, oh my god, I've
got to meet her.
Speaker 7 (27:55):
All right, let's go up to defense for a moment,
because you were defensive back and Titans haven't.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Led, Yes, you were. The Titans haven't eat at safety.
Speaker 7 (28:03):
There are some nice safety I mean we know about
Malachi Starks and Nick mm and worry.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Actually throw some guys down, go ahead.
Speaker 7 (28:11):
There's some guys towards the middle rounds of this that
I think are are beneficial, especially to the Titans.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
And you know, I liked Upton Stout from Western Kentucky.
Speaker 8 (28:21):
Good player, wasn't he He was good player, always around,
always around in the right spot. He looked under control
and everything that he did. I thought he was very
intelligent in how he went about playing the game. And
you know, he reminded me of a little bit and
watching them the kid out of Maryland, Dante Trader, I
thought he and Stout were very similarly constructed and what
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about their business that way? And Trader, you know, has
got a lacrosse background. He's a midfield guy. The midfielder
and lacrosse is the guy controls the action. He's essential
of your point guard and all that. Trader kind of
played that way. You could see him take it all
in and understand how it was going and how it's
gonna do. Kid was a monster recruit and played one
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year at Maryland and I think he was like a
third team All American.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Wow, hey free darn good.
Speaker 7 (29:07):
Yeah, knowing up a couple of pods and notches here.
Oh yeah, lots in maxt hook from Toledo. Oh yes,
maxt hooks. Yeah, Toleda.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
You know his you know his old roommate was Quinnion Mitchell.
Oh there it is their boys, there, it is.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
This is what people pay money for.
Speaker 7 (29:24):
And yeah, Texas and college football playoffs. First time we
had a twelve team playoffs, so we had more college
football to digest and top guy.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
How happy was Texas to have him at the end
of the end of the Arizona State game. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 8 (29:37):
Right, yeah, but he's got he's got that ball. I mean,
we all say it all. He's got the ball hawk
ability and you saw it. I saw range, you know,
I saw him come over and make that play. Not
as good as the one that for me Kyle Hamilton
in that open against Florida State is still the one
for me.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
Well, especially with that always talk about spatial awareness for
defensive back. But the thing that separates them, and we
all know this at this table, just is can you
hold your water at the catch point?
Speaker 4 (30:12):
At the catch point, the moment of truth.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
A lot of people get to the catch point and
then they can't hold their water.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
That panic, that panic.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
That bucket empties, and it's it's over.
Speaker 8 (30:22):
That panic's high, and that's when that's when you run
into people and there it is flags out there.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
It is.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
But those guys can hang in there. Yeah, I know
who fascinating I never once told.
Speaker 7 (30:34):
You I'm fascinated by. You know, obviously Kevin Winston junior
at Penn State is the guy. And then injury comes in.
Here's Jalen Reed, who's basically a slot corner. They move
him to full time safety. And what does he do.
He led the team in tackles. He led the team
in picks. That's a value pick.
Speaker 8 (30:52):
They're doing something right there, because I know they can't
beat Ohio State and people are flipping out. And I
say the same thing to Penn State people all the time,
said I know, I know, I know, tell me who's
beating Ohio State exactly. I mean, you guys are acting
like this is the worst thing ever. You're acting like
you're losing too. You know Penn State right right right
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that you're losing to you know, Penn State, Harrisburg. No,
this is Ohio State.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
This is tough to do. But look at the players
that are coming out. Brisker came out of there as
a safety not too long ago.
Speaker 8 (31:27):
Who's the kid with with San Francisco Brown Brown?
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Another safety comes out of there.
Speaker 8 (31:33):
They they've done a really nice jobs as you would expect,
coaching kids, putting them in the right spots, the whole deal.
And then when kids get their opportunities, those who want it,
they jump on and off they go. Because you remember
Kevin King came out of there, the corner who we
thought might have been a first round or two years prior,
turned out to be a seventh rounder. But guess what,
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he's in the league and he's playing.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
He's still on the bus.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
He's on the bus and he's still coach. Coach, you
wrote him in for your fifth.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Yeah, he's still on the bus.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
Still there. The other school that that does that in
the secondary that year after year after year is Iowa.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Oh my god, ye Phil Parker.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
Phil Parker for years and you just start watching his
guys and you know, let's go to the SEC real quick.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
About the Harrison kid, Maxwell Harrison from Kentucky.
Speaker 8 (32:19):
Oh Man, we got him, thank god we got him
at the Senior Bowl because you know, he was hurt
a lot of this year, so that's why we got
to see it mad Max and he had such a
good week.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
He did what we get at the Senior Bowl. He
got the Senior Bowl flew on Friday and we didn't
see him in the game, but he did. He was
he did what he did. He stepped out. He was good,
he was good coaching. The build on him seems very slender,
but he's stacked. But he's stacked.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
He stacked. Uh, I'm looking forward because you know, of
course I'm still countries.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
He's like those country kids that you don't mess with.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
No, he's like those wiry.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
Ones.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
They will don't mess with. Call quiet wire.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
If your description is wire rope, that's what you're looking for.
That wire rope. You know they make restraining things on
the highway.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Yet a bad day, I.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Think you're looking for. I think he's going to run
a really good time.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
Me too, Me too?
Speaker 8 (33:19):
And and did you spend it did you get to
spend a little time around him? No, he's he's got
a nice person out that's infectious. You know, he's one
of those kids and as a corner.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
You need that.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Charles.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
The one thing, one of the many things that Brian
Callahan said at the end of the year at his
closing presser, we have to find the right tackle. Give
me a couple of names that you're watching this week
that might be able to help the type.
Speaker 8 (33:44):
All right, well, I'm glad you brought that up because
actually wrote down of a couple of them. The kid
from Minnesota, Okay, Emory Jones, a l s U. We
got to see him. I want to see what they
do for all of you. Marcus bow from Purdue, He's
gonna be a guard or tackle, and then that's what
they're that's what they're trying to figure o. Everybody bump
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him inside that week, but it's play tackle for a
lot of his college career. And the kid at North
Carolina State who was a left tackle, Anthony belt Belton.
I think you can move him over to the right
tackle and be just fine. I like, I don't think
that's three sixty now. You want you want to you
want a monster because I think coach would have a
ball trying to figure out what to.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
Do with him.
Speaker 8 (34:26):
Yeah, I don't know how good a player he is,
but hinting from Michigan, Michigan with that bloodline, that program,
I would think hard about moving him inside and making
him just a massive guard at three forty two, three
forty five. I would think hard about doing that if
I'm a team that wants to beat people up inside.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
I mean, you're look, you've been doing this for a minute.
You're spot on. That's exactly what's going to.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
Happen, right, That's where he's going in the coach.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
But you look at the guys that have moved inside
in this league, and especially the way it's going now
with people starting to run a lot more pinning pool
stuff and a lot.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
More just knock aball. I mean, you know how trends go.
Speaker 6 (35:08):
Yeah, absolutely, it's real now, it's now, it's it's it's
going that way because people are attacking the cylinder now
at that center guard triangle.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
You need dudes in there.
Speaker 8 (35:21):
So let me ask you this coach when he wakes
up in the morning, did he ever think that Makai Beckton,
did he ever think in his life that he would
give thanks that they moved him inside to God?
Speaker 3 (35:32):
The answer is absolutely not.
Speaker 8 (35:34):
And now if you tried to move him back to tackle, no, no,
they'll fight you to the death.
Speaker 7 (35:38):
This is the same guy as a jet that wore
the shirt that said.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
I am a left Yeah. Adamantly, his career has been,
his career has changed. It changed his whole life, changed,
his whole life.
Speaker 8 (35:52):
And he's gonna make a bunch of Money's gonna make
a lot of money. He's gonna be a ten year veteran.
Now he's already got one ring and he's gonna, you know,
compete for more. But everything changed for him because he
was he was this closed to bouncing and everybody was
done with it. They brought him in to be a
swing tackle.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
Very close to bouncing right, and not only a swing tackle,
a maybe guy, a maybe swing tackle.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
He's got a front seat on the bus.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
They brought him in to compete for the swing tackle spot.
Speaker 8 (36:15):
A former first round nothing again for nothing, and now he.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
Does start whatever, nothing wrong with it.
Speaker 8 (36:24):
I'll leave it at this, guys, because I'm taking you
way too far. But Robert Gallery, coach, hey, right, because
because the problem was, especially way back when we were
doing it, then if you drafted a guy at left tackle,
where he had to be, and if he didn't make
it at left tackle, then he was a bust. And
Robert Gallery was not a bust. No, they moved inside
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the guard. He was a ten year veteran guard who's
a really good football player. Probably should have been a
guard from day one, but we drafted him at left
tackle at number six overall and everything changed.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Nothing to changes with you, man.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
It's so great to see you guys.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Thank you so much for a little bit.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
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You can go off all these We're just staying here.
We're not going anywhere else. This is it. You tell
everybody else. I'm done.
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twenty twenty five NFL Scouting Combine, which I believe very
strongly is the greatest event of the year. And we
have the opportunity to talk to so many people while
we're here. That's what makes this whole thing so great,
and we want to share those conversations with you, so
I'm not gonna waste any more of your time. We're
gonna get right to it. Here's our first guest, NFL
Network's very own Daniel Jeremiah. Daniel Jeremiah, thank you so
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much for taking some time to hang out with us
on the OTP. It's so good to see you in Indianapolis.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
It's great to be here. I feel like, uh, your
location maybe has changed a little bit from the last
year that we were here. I feel like they're kind
of spicing it up a little bit.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
It is we're backwards, we're on the opposite side of
the room, and it's a little bit jarring, but we're
seeing some new friends.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
We're meeting new people.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Looks nice and you get a chance to monitor the
exit with where you're located. Course is ducking out, who's
not hard, which teams want it?
Speaker 4 (01:25):
You know what I mean. It's been rearranged.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Exactly, but it seems very on brand for this year's
draft because this draft class is a little bit different.
It's a little bit strange. What have you noticed about
this group because it feels it feels different than in
previous years.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah, I think that, you know, look, the elephant in
the room is the sex. Appeal with drafts is quarterbacks
and then secondary it's probably wide receivers because those are
the players that you watch on a Saturday and you're
watching college football. The guys you notice and the guys
that stand out to most fans is a guy throwing
the ball and the guy catching the ball. And this
draft isn't necessarily really you know, strong in that in
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that regard. So that's why people are, you know, people have,
you know, kind of to be honest, have kind of
ripped on this draft, like, oh, what are you gonna get?
It's it's it's not a good draft. My whole thing
is this is a starter draft. Like there are starters.
There is a long line of starters you can find
in this draft. Guys you're not gonna have to replace.
You're gonna plug them and play them and not worry
about him for another seven eight years. At those spots
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and there's a there's a good group of those guys.
And I would say at the top, at least position
player wise, I think there's two there are two special players.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
To me.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Abdul Carter is a rusher with what he does is
pretty dynamic and pretty special. And then Travis Hunter with
all that he can do, and I'm fascinated to see
his usage. But you know, we don't see a lot
of those type of guys come into the league. So
those are some fun pieces there at the very top.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
The quarterbacks are an interesting group because there's a bit
of a debate over QB one QB two different pundits
say different and things different analysts have put them in
different places. I have a feeling this is a debate
that's going to linger until April. We're just not really
going to know until the first guy comes off the board.
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As it stands today February twenty fifth, who do you
have in that QB one spot and tell me why?
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Look, I think there's two quarterbacks that separated from the group,
cam Ward and Shadoor Sanders, And it's a to simplify it,
I would say, you can go floor ceiling, and to me,
Shador has a little bit higher floor. He's more polished.
You know, you kind of know what you're buying with him,
someone who's going to be you know, efficient and accurate.
Ball placement's really good. These are good qualities to have,
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by the way, But you know, arm strength wise, not
top shelf arm strength, not a ton of twitch, which
sounds crazy to say, you know, considering his dad, but
just not a ton of twitch and movement, you know there,
And then you know he's got some habit things he
can clean up drifting and taken some sacks over the
last couple of years to see that clean up. But
I feel like you get him with the right pieces
and protect him with an offensive line, he's gonna operate efficiently.
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Cam ward to me is ceiling in his upside. He
has a lot of twitch in his body, a lot
of twitch in his arm. The ball jumps out of
his hand when he decides to move like I'm not
talking about as like a dynamic runner, but you get
a free rusher. He's got enough twitch to be able
to get away from him and avoid him and then
make a play. So those are kind of more of
those high end traits. Now he's loose, He plays really loose.
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It's gotten better throughout his career, but there's still moments
where he's rolling right and you see the ball thrown
across his body and you're gonna go, what are you doing?
You can't do that. But he's been able to dig
himself out a lot of those holes because of the
talent that he has. So the way I changed looking
at this thing over the last five or six years
is in the AFC. There are so many cyborg quarterbacks
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in the AFC that you have to navigate around to
get where you want to go. That if you if
you go with the floor three years from now, you're
gonna go, you know what, good player, but he's not
good enough get us past these guys. You know, the
Josh Allens, the Mahomes, the Burrows, the Lamar Jackson's, the Herberts.
I mean that's a I'm just that's the tip of
the iceberg there. So I don't want to I don't
want to make a selection that I'm gonna have to
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replace three or four years from now. I'd rather chase
the ceiling. And if I miss, guess what, I'm gonna
go chase the ceiling one more time.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
That makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
You've worked the front office, You've been boots on the
ground in this league evaluating players. If you were with
the Titans right now, what would you be excited about
in this draft?
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I'd be excited about the defensive line and knowing full
well that that's already a strength of this team and
some of the pieces that are in place. The way
Sweat played last year was awesome too. You know, when
you've got him and Simmons this that's a pretty good
place to start. I'm just looking at it going, Okay,
you know, we've got a lot of holes, We've we've
got a lot of things we need to accomplish. I've
got pushback when I've said this, because people have said, well,
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people always say you can get the quarterback down the line,
and that's not the way it works. There's no guarantees.
I hear that. But then I also can give you
about eight different teams that have done that. I can
tell you about Houston deciding to wait and then getting
c J. Stroud a year after waiting, the Bears trading
out of the first pick, getting Caleb Williams the very
next year. There's a lot of teams that have done that.
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And if I'm if I'm the Titans, I've got a chance.
If I take Abdul Carter to say, all right, I
know we've got holes and we've got things we need
to fill, but we are going to have one of
the best defensive lines in the National Football League. And
to me, outside of quarterback, it's the second most important
position you want. It's hard, hard press, showing a dominant defense. Coach,
maybe you can enlighten me on this, but show me
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a dominant defense in the history of this league that
didn't have big time defensive line play.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Just check the Super Bowl we just watched.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
You know.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
My favorite, my favorite story about that. I was talking
to a buddy with the Eagles and he was talking
to someone, I won't mention the team. I want out
the team. But this was in the off season and
he said, he said, you know what, I think our
front four stacks up pretty well with your front four.
I know you got a great ful but I put
our front four right up there. He goes, Yep, you
probably can. But you know what, we got four behind
him that you don't have. That's the difference. We got
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eight of them. You got four of them that you're
confident about. We got waves, we got more of them.
So I just think you can't have enough. You can't say, well,
we've got we've had a couple dominant defensive linemen. Well,
you know what I want. I'm greedy. I want to
give me all of them. I want. It's hard to
be it's hard to be a bad defense with a
dominant defensive Lie.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
Well, I mean and you saw it. You saw it
in the Super Bowl. I mean I've lived it. You've
lived it with the team that you were with. What's
so important is and they stuck with it. They rushed
four no, no run road four Daniel, and then covered, yeah,
covered with seven. And when you can do that, you're
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four over three, three over two. That's just the math.
It was beautiful to watch. As a lifelong defensive dude.
I loved it, and I know.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
You did too.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I sent Jeremiah text after the game because I didn't
know if he was going to be aware of it
and full to go to Jim Washburn's son, Jeremiah.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Washburn, and I.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Said, I just literally sat like rushed for the entire game.
Exclamation point, exclamation point, exclamation point. I said, how sweet
was that? I mean, that was That's your dream if
you coach that position, is to say, just let us
do our thing with four. We don't need anything else,
he said.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
He told me.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Uh, we were talking afterwards, He's like, I don't know
that we had a call that we didn't install day
one a training camp.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Wow, Like there was no frills, there was no We're
just gonna line up and.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Just go yeah wow, deft tailed off of that.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
The thing that we've put together, of course, you live
this stuff. Edge rushers and the interior defensive lineman of
this draft.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
That's the group, right, Oh my gosh, coach I had
last year. I looked it up and with the grading
skill that I use, the and this is what we
learned in Baltimore. One of the grades is potential starter, Right,
so you have like role players back up and then
potential starter, eventual starter, you know, on and on well
of like potential like guys who have the potential to
start defensive tackles. Last year I gave out twelve of
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those grades. This year I gave out twenty four. Wow,
twenty four. I've never had a year with this many guys.
And it's not wishing and hoping. It's not he's two
hundred and seventy five pounds, you know, if he can
put on twenty pounds, this guy's three sixty. If he
can lose forty pounds, this guy doesn't. These are all
six foot three, three hundred and five, three hundred and
fifteen pound guys like scheme diverse, can penetrate, can hold
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up versus doubles like. These are not pretend dudes. These
are real dudes. Like there's a million of them.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
I mean that that's so good here ret night. You know,
we put together a vertical on the horizontal board. Yeah,
and as we work through, all of a sudden it
just jumps out at you when you start putting them
in pods.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Yeah, I mean those dudes, that's legit.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yeah, they're legit dudes. And you know the fun thing
is in the college game, you know, people can look
at sacks and go, Okay, this guy know how to rush.
It's hard to get to the quarterback in college. They
have spread you from sea to shining sea, and the
ball is coming out so fast, and so I think
some of these guys, you're like, oh, this defensive tackle
we had, you know, one and a half sacks or
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two sacks, and I'm like, look at my paper and
I see the words block destruction like over and over
and over, like they're winning the battle. They can't win
the war because the ball's gone. Well, the NFL, you
get a little more opportunity to get home. So that's
why I think you'll see even more from this group
as they get to the next level.
Speaker 7 (10:14):
One of the other needs the Titans have, and they
have quite a few, but one thing Brian Callahan mentioned
the very first press conference the day the season was
over is that they need to right tackle.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (10:24):
Last year's draft loaded with top tackle talent in the
top round and stuff throughout. This year different And I'm
the reason I'm asking this. We saw the Titans do
this with Peter Scornsky at number eleven a couple of
years ago. I think there's a lot of guys that
played tackle in college maybe don't have the length and
may move inside in this Could we see more Peter
Skeroonsky two point zeros in this draft?
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Yeah, And I think that's again there's a lot of
teams that have gone with that philosophy if they want
to have five offensive tackles on their offensive line. So
maybe some of these offense sackles just didn't have the
length to stay there once they got to the NFL.
But they have you know, we call like left tackle feet.
They've got the feet, then, okay, the length, that's fine,
We'll kick him inside and off we go. And this
draft has a bunch of those. It's not a great
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tackle draft. Like it's hard even in most years where
it's a good it's hard to find starters at you know,
at tackle outside the first round. They're just it's the
it's the whole theory, the big planet theory. There's only
so many of these guys walking around planet Earth that
are this big and this athletic, So it's not then
this is one of those years where outside the first round,
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I think you're gonna have to, you know, have some
patience here, more developmental type players that you can work
with down the line. But I'd be you know, i'd
be wanting to a dress that in free agency a
little bit, just at least have a placeholder there and
to buy me some time. Why try and develop some
of these young guys well.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
And that's a little bit of an anomaly that last
year was because there were dudes last year, yeah, as
offensive tackles that didn't have very often.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
No, it doesn't.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
And that's why I say this year seems like, you know,
it's a little bit barren, but just compared it to
what happened last year. And so if you got one
last year, you did a pretty good thing.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Yeah, one hundred percent, coach. And then you know, the
other thing is you get the right offensive line coach,
which there is in place there. Yes, now, all of
a sudden you get a first round player in the
fourth round, but it's provided we can be patient with
them for a year, you know, a year or two years.
And to me, that's why you have the luxury with
an offensive line coach to chase the ceiling. You can
go after some of these raw offensive linemen, and hey,
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we're gonna be patient. You know, this is not a
team that's gonna win the Super Bowl next year. You
earn the first pick, it wasn't given to you. So
let's let's think about where this team is and let's
start let's look at the three year mark. We're drafting
guys who are going to be who we want them
to be, you know, three years into this process.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
With that mentality, this seems like a really good draft
for the Tennessee Titans because there are some of those
players that would warrant that top billing if they are
chosen there. But there's also a lot of places where
the Titans can plug some holes and get some real
guys who can play at some premium positions.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Right yeah, at premium positions, and I would say, I
think there's tremendous value and even some of the non
premium positions where you know, not necessarily that it's the
biggest need in the world, but you're going to get
a running back if you want to just add another
guy into your stable in the fourth round, is a
really good player. You're going to get a tight end
in the fourth or fifth round who's going to be
a really good player. That's where you can find even
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some value in this draft is some of those positions
that maybe aren't the high you know, high target, high
value positions. But this year there's depth there. So defensive line.
My goal in this draft, if if I'm a team
that's picking up there in the top five, I would
love to have three new guys in my defensive line
room by the end of the draft, and that there's
enough talent there to take you all the way through
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to the end where you know, if your defensive line
coach isn't high fiving you after this draft, you probably
did it wrong.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
I mean to ask you something structurally, just the way
you look at it, the way you look at.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
This thing when we started putting this together. Every year
is different.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
You know, I've done it a while, So of you,
where do you think the belly of the draft is?
Just pod wise? Number wise two through five too through?
Where do you think that is?
Speaker 2 (13:57):
I think to me, the sweet spot of this draft
code is really like and this is kind of a
weird range, but twenty to like seventy, there you go.
I think that's probably that sweet spot where I don't know,
there's a big difference between twenty and seventy, but I
think that that is the you know, the grade that
I have is like a sixty three grade. That's just
a sea of them. It's made, if you know, to
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be honest, this is kind of off the off the
being path. It's harder to stack players like vertically this
year than any other year because they're so similarly graded.
It's like, well, I don't represent a team, so I
can't tell you if I'd rather have the six three
safety or the six three off the ball linebackers. So
they're all the they're literally all the same grade. They're
all starters you're not gonna have to replace. Might not
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be Pro Bowl players, but they're gonna be steady, solid, reliable,
dependable players. Twenty to seventy in this draft. You can
find a ton of them.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
But that's a great answer when redt and I start
putting our national one together, that's kind of what.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
You look at.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
Yeah, you look at you go, Okay, this is a
really important horizontal draft in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yeah no, I don't. I think you're gonna get altitude
sickness this year. You know, in terms of the talent
up there at the top. But there's a lot to
find there in that little suite.
Speaker 7 (15:06):
Yeah, Daniel, is that why when we get to around
that twenty spot in the first round, you'll see some
interesting picks because it'll be maybe best player available type selection.
They are not you know what's.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Going to happen. I already know what's going to happen,
and this is not this. I guarantee this is going
to happen. Is you're going to have a player get
picked at twenty two and then people are gonna go,
he was not on anybody's top fifty, and then we go,
but you know what, he's my fifty third player and
he had the exact same grade as the guy that
I had at twenty. So it's just flavor. It's just
whatever you want.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Yep, Daniel Jeremiah. We so appreciate you taking the time
to get us fired up about this draft. This is
going to be a good one.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I need you to not pick number one next year.
That's the thing.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
That's the goal, you know, that's our goal to.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
We go back to talk about who's going to fall
to us. That's what we need to do next. There
you go, that'll be us next year.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Good to see you, guys.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Good to see you.
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Speaker 3 (16:28):
Back to the OTP.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Charles Davis joins us here on the OTP. Charles, we
always love catching up with you in Indianapolis.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
It's great to see you all, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Lovely to see you. We want to get your thoughts
right off the bat on. Travis Hunter, Yeah, play both
ways in college. Now officially listed as a corner. Why
was that so advantageous for him to be listed as
a corner entering this draft?
Speaker 8 (16:51):
You know, I don't know if it's advantageous as much
as it is a declaration than anything else. Because some
teams see him as receiver, some team see him as
a corner. The ownership's gonna have to get involved in
how they see him. Yeah, right, Do I want him
to score touchdowns? Do I need that for my information?
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I just think that the idea that he's going to
go both ways at the level he did in college.
I don't want to use the word folly, but let's
just say I can't see it. It's a whole different world.
It's a whole different game. I will say this, I'm
beyond impressed. One hundred and eleven plays per ball game,
and he was making plays deep into ball games too.
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It wasn't that he made his plays in the first
half and the second half he gas out and nothing
would happen. He's knocking the ball free to keep him
from scoring a touchdown and win a game. He's catching
one late in the ball game to bring him back
from a in a big comeback. I mentioned, you guys,
remember Gordy Lockball holy Cross, He was a two way player.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
And I said it earlier today, and I just hope
the Holy Cross.
Speaker 8 (17:57):
People don't come for me because I meant it as
a compliment Gordy going both ways. But our pace of
play Coach Mack, it was a whole different ballgame. We
huddled on every snap. We you know, we took our time.
We did this one hundred and eleven plays. I would
imagine Gordy.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Was playing.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Eighty right may depending on depending on right.
Speaker 8 (18:22):
And and that means that doesn't mean I'm taking anything
away from him. If Gordy had played and we were
doing it at this pace, he would have done it
at that pace. He just it's just it's a different,
different deal. I just don't see him playing full time
both ways. Maybe some packages one way or the other.
But I think they're gonna want to specialize in one.
Isaiah Simmons is the name always comes to mind for me.
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He wasn't a two way player, remember him coming out
of clumpson sure, but but but he was the one
that we can play him here, We can play him here,
and we can play him here and he hasn't played
anywhere yet.
Speaker 7 (18:52):
Yeah, what is he?
Speaker 3 (18:53):
And that was a.
Speaker 8 (18:56):
Jack of all trades, master of none, couldn't settle in
one spot. I would want to get Travis Settles.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
Well, let me ask you about Travis for a second,
because the receiver part of it intrigues me. The one
thing I want to see him do this week is
run the gauntlet. Yeah yeah, I think we all do,
and I think he'll do it well. If he doesn't, I.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Think we all just want to see those things right now.
Speaker 8 (19:16):
He's such an exceptional athlete that he's beating people off
of those things. Now, when you go up and coach
Max drawing up defense for you, and he's got some
cats out there, especially when you call that cat defense.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
You got that cat, I got that cat.
Speaker 8 (19:29):
Then we're gonna see some things right see what he
has to go along with it. I'm not betting against him.
I'm just saying the refinement part of it, because when
you go both ways and your practicing, but you can't
do everything right everything, something's gonna slip. And when I
say slip, meaning you just don't have enough time to
hammer everything down. And he's such a great athlete on
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that level, he's gonna win those battles anyway.
Speaker 7 (19:53):
Who are you looking forward to seeing test numbers that
validate and confirm what the film has shown? Oh boy?
Give me a couple of days.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
Questions.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Well, that's a really good question. I want to see.
Speaker 8 (20:06):
I want to see what Mason Graham does from from
from Michigan and testing, because when I watch him come
off on his garbage, man, those hands hit people in
the chest and people go flying backwards, and he's got
a great low center of gravity. And I said, wrestler, right, yeah,
wrestler shocker right right, Coach Max Chacker, He's one that
I want to see because he flat out doesn't look
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it like when he walks around here, you're not gonna
sit there and go that's the two time All American
and what have you. Like.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
He doesn't present that way.
Speaker 8 (20:34):
But I can't wait to watch and see because when
I watch him play, he's more than a handful.
Speaker 6 (20:40):
Now.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
He's more twitched up there, yeah way, and he looks
in the flesh.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
He's more twitched up on the field.
Speaker 8 (20:47):
There's no question about it. I mean, I'm just watching people.
It's like, okay, good luck dealing with that, folks. Yeah,
you know absolutely, And I will say this, this is
just a little bit off the thing. What's the kid
that's out there? Taka Hemingway, Yep, I'm tind to watch
him work out because when I watched those plays with
the wildcat plays and things of that, he's catching wildcat
snaps and normally those big guys they catch them and
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we're going forward and we're creating a pile. My man
sidestepping and evading and throwing a leg out and taking
it away.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
And I want to see this. He jumped cuts. We're
not jump cutting. I want to see this.
Speaker 7 (21:22):
I'm not talking about JJ pegee and a and a
full back package and toush push type deal.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Here they're about to talk for hemingway and shot. He
caught one on a fake punt and he was fully covered.
Coach my man.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
My man was like, this had to hand in the basket,
right If my man threw out.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
A paw and holding in, that's like I got to
see this kid.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
How about receivers. Let us look at receivers a little
bit because we don't we don't talk receivers much. Uh,
you know, because everybody's focused in on the quarterbacks and
everybody's focused in. This is a big man draft, Yeah
it is. You know that you know that you've done.
You're gonna be on air for a hunt hours.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
I mean but the big Man is meat and potatoes.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Drive.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Yeah, the big Man is what it's going to be.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
How about how about And I'm gonna go down the
line here, Ratt and I've already got our first vertical.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
I like it for you, so we'll we'll open this up.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
I'm finding Nashville and getting in on that next meeting.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Come on, come on, Jayden Higgins from Iowa State.
Speaker 4 (22:20):
Yeah, Eastern Kentucky kid.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
That's that's why I wanted you to hit on him.
Speaker 8 (22:25):
Eastern Kentucky kid. Walt Wells had him Walt Wells at
Old Tennessee Vall. Walt Walt had him, had a nice
chance to talk with Wall loves the kid, loves everything
about him.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Says he's he's a full on.
Speaker 8 (22:35):
Worker, know you know what to him and just knew
he was too good there that he needed to go
and and imply his craft. Said he's got everything you're
looking for. The biggest thing is the fifty to fifty ball. Yeah,
he'll go get it.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Which it's becoming this league.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
This is it's hard to start to get away from.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
People with guys that the guys that have that kind
of length.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
It's it's throw it up there games to throw it
up their game now, and you know that. I mean
you've played, You've played the defensive back part of it,
and you know that if.
Speaker 8 (23:07):
They see the back of your head, right, coach, it's
coming up. They're throwing it because they're coming up.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Jalen Royals, Yeah, I.
Speaker 8 (23:14):
Saw him at the We all saw him at the
Senior ball right Utah State. I liked him a lot.
He was a guy that you know, coming in, I
was like, Okay, here we go. And then every day
I went on, he's pretty he's pretty good.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
You know. I don't know that he's a blazer.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
I don't think he is.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
I don't think he's a blazer. He's open, but he's open.
You know.
Speaker 8 (23:32):
It's kind of I'm trying to think of who I'm
relating that to Higgins a little bit that way that
I think Higgins is faster.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
He's faster, I think, but Royals, he's just he just
find a way. You know, I'll tell you who it was.
The kid at Arkansas.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Teslaw Teslau, Yes, yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Did he just keep making plays?
Speaker 8 (23:50):
Remember he got the lead invite to the Senior Ball
and then as a week went on, right, every time
he turned around, said, did.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
He just catch another one?
Speaker 8 (23:56):
He's just open, and he's just open. And when he
wasn't open, he created himself.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Every time I see guys like this, By.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
The way, Hillsdale College originally law see where we are now.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
But that's that's the truth, right, every time I see
guys like this, and of course I can't help but
go back to my personal experiences. I mean, I can't
count the number of people that when I was making
a decision, I sat with, you know, I really like
this bolding kid.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Coach, you can't run. Coach, you can't, I said, he's open.
Speaker 8 (24:27):
So so so what does that mean for the others?
But he's open, he can't run anyway. If he can't run,
what do they do it?
Speaker 1 (24:35):
We mentioned as we're talking about receivers, we have mentioned
there's no big names, but there's still a lot of
good talent in there. How beneficial is that going to be?
As this draft goes on?
Speaker 4 (24:45):
It's gonna be very beneficial.
Speaker 8 (24:47):
I've said it for years now, and I think I'm
right on this one. If we're gonna keep playing the
game the way we're playing it every year, there's gonna
be a lot of receivers. Now, will some be more
sexier than others, Yes, But every you're gonna get a
bunch of receivers are gonna come into the league and play.
That's why I'm always telling guys, if you're the fourth
receiver on your team, why don't you learn to backpedal
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because you have much better opportunity to make it numbers,
flip it around, find something right because somebody got covered
these guys. Somebody's got to be present themselves for these guys.
Go try and do that. Terry McDaniel, how I played
with the Tennessee is a phenomenal example. He was a receiver,
he couldn't get any traction. Guess what he became an
all pro corner.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah, figured it.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Out, Charles.
Speaker 7 (25:31):
We saw Jack Besh steal the show in the Senior Bowl,
and what a wonderful moment. You know, he's named MVP
a month to the day. Yeah, when his brother Tiger
tragically passed away in New Orleans. But there was a
lot of guys I think got lost down there, and
I know that you were a big part of the
broadcast and all the things down there. I want you
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to give me some stuff on Elkiam man Or from Stanford.
Speaker 8 (25:55):
I wanted to see him. I was excited to see him,
and then he left early. He left early. But when
you watch him play, you can see why he got invited.
And by the way, it's not like Canada isn't giving
us receivers. I know that Clay has kind of flamed out.
Remembers rookie year in.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Good right, Joshua Palmer, as a Canadian kid, came down
and has played well.
Speaker 8 (26:20):
So we're getting guys who you know, the athletes are
around and available, and that's what I think about him.
But I really wanted him around because in his bio
his mother was an arm wrestler as a kid. Now
you remember two years ago with Beijing. That's see, this
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is just stop him.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
Remember this is why when you sit down and you
listen and you sit with had so many of these
conversations with Charles Davis, stuff comes up that nobody else
knows go.
Speaker 8 (26:56):
So you remember we were all there with Tyson Baijey,
his dad, right, the dad over saving all week right,
worked the mic like a WWE guy and our guy,
our guy, Tom Pelisaro got up there and that's one
of the funniest things I've ever seen, because because the
guy was working the mike, he's like, oh, just go
ahead and submit, man, it's easier for you if you
just just let it happen, right. And so Tom was
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there and I said, Tom, this is the kid you've
got to get. And I said, if you read the
bio on him, he said no, And I told him
about the mom. He said, oh my god, he said,
you're trying to set me up. Get beat up again.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
I said, yes, I am, Yes, I didn't care for it.
And then the kid left.
Speaker 8 (27:32):
But it was too bad because he, you know, he
he put up some performances.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Now who is that that he chewed up? I think
it was Colorado.
Speaker 8 (27:39):
Colorado absolutely just just chewed them up, like to way
over to like fifteen catches that night, and they upset
Colorado that day.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Yes, they did.
Speaker 7 (27:47):
So Mom should be armor man or yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
I mean, I was just reading the bio. I was
on the floor. I was like, oh my god, I've
got to meet her.
Speaker 7 (27:55):
All right, let's go up to defense for a moment,
because you were defensive back and Titans haven't.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Led, Yes, you were. The Titans haven't eat at safety.
Speaker 7 (28:03):
There are some nice safety I mean we know about
Malachi Starks and Nick mm and worry.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Actually throw some guys down, go ahead.
Speaker 7 (28:11):
There's some guys towards the middle rounds of this that
I think are are beneficial, especially to the Titans.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
And you know, I liked Upton Stout from Western Kentucky.
Speaker 8 (28:21):
Good player, wasn't he He was good player, always around,
always around in the right spot. He looked under control
and everything that he did. I thought he was very
intelligent in how he went about playing the game. And
you know, he reminded me of a little bit and
watching them the kid out of Maryland, Dante Trader, I
thought he and Stout were very similarly constructed and what
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about their business that way? And Trader, you know, has
got a lacrosse background. He's a midfield guy. The midfielder
and lacrosse is the guy controls the action. He's essential
of your point guard and all that. Trader kind of
played that way. You could see him take it all
in and understand how it was going and how it's
gonna do. Kid was a monster recruit and played one
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year at Maryland and I think he was like a
third team All American.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Wow, hey free darn good.
Speaker 7 (29:07):
Yeah, knowing up a couple of pods and notches here.
Oh yeah, lots in maxt hook from Toledo. Oh yes,
maxt hooks. Yeah, Toleda.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
You know his you know his old roommate was Quinnion Mitchell.
Oh there it is their boys, there, it is.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
This is what people pay money for.
Speaker 7 (29:24):
And yeah, Texas and college football playoffs. First time we
had a twelve team playoffs, so we had more college
football to digest and top guy.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
How happy was Texas to have him at the end
of the end of the Arizona State game. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 8 (29:37):
Right, yeah, but he's got he's got that ball. I mean,
we all say it all. He's got the ball hawk
ability and you saw it. I saw range, you know,
I saw him come over and make that play. Not
as good as the one that for me Kyle Hamilton
in that open against Florida State is still the one
for me.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
Well, especially with that always talk about spatial awareness for
defensive back. But the thing that separates them, and we
all know this at this table, just is can you
hold your water at the catch point?
Speaker 4 (30:12):
At the catch point, the moment of truth.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
A lot of people get to the catch point and
then they can't hold their water.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
That panic, that panic.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
That bucket empties, and it's it's over.
Speaker 8 (30:22):
That panic's high, and that's when that's when you run
into people and there it is flags out there.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
It is.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
But those guys can hang in there. Yeah, I know
who fascinating I never once told.
Speaker 7 (30:34):
You I'm fascinated by. You know, obviously Kevin Winston junior
at Penn State is the guy. And then injury comes in.
Here's Jalen Reed, who's basically a slot corner. They move
him to full time safety. And what does he do.
He led the team in tackles. He led the team
in picks. That's a value pick.
Speaker 8 (30:52):
They're doing something right there, because I know they can't
beat Ohio State and people are flipping out. And I
say the same thing to Penn State people all the time,
said I know, I know, I know, tell me who's
beating Ohio State exactly. I mean, you guys are acting
like this is the worst thing ever. You're acting like
you're losing too. You know Penn State right right right
(31:16):
that you're losing to you know, Penn State, Harrisburg. No,
this is Ohio State.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
This is tough to do. But look at the players
that are coming out. Brisker came out of there as
a safety not too long ago.
Speaker 8 (31:27):
Who's the kid with with San Francisco Brown Brown?
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Another safety comes out of there.
Speaker 8 (31:33):
They they've done a really nice jobs as you would expect,
coaching kids, putting them in the right spots, the whole deal.
And then when kids get their opportunities, those who want it,
they jump on and off they go. Because you remember
Kevin King came out of there, the corner who we
thought might have been a first round or two years prior,
turned out to be a seventh rounder. But guess what,
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he's in the league and he's playing.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
He's still on the bus.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
He's on the bus and he's still coach. Coach, you
wrote him in for your fifth.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Yeah, he's still on the bus.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
Still there. The other school that that does that in
the secondary that year after year after year is Iowa.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Oh my god, ye Phil Parker.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
Phil Parker for years and you just start watching his
guys and you know, let's go to the SEC real quick.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
About the Harrison kid, Maxwell Harrison from Kentucky.
Speaker 8 (32:19):
Oh Man, we got him, thank god we got him
at the Senior Bowl because you know, he was hurt
a lot of this year, so that's why we got
to see it mad Max and he had such a
good week.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
He did what we get at the Senior Bowl. He
got the Senior Bowl flew on Friday and we didn't
see him in the game, but he did. He was
he did what he did. He stepped out. He was good,
he was good coaching. The build on him seems very slender,
but he's stacked. But he's stacked.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
He stacked. Uh, I'm looking forward because you know, of
course I'm still countries.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
He's like those country kids that you don't mess with.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
No, he's like those wiry.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
Ones.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
They will don't mess with. Call quiet wire.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
If your description is wire rope, that's what you're looking for.
That wire rope. You know they make restraining things on
the highway.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Yet a bad day, I.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Think you're looking for. I think he's going to run
a really good time.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
Me too, Me too?
Speaker 8 (33:19):
And and did you spend it did you get to
spend a little time around him? No, he's he's got
a nice person out that's infectious. You know, he's one
of those kids and as a corner.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
You need that.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Charles.
Speaker 7 (33:32):
The one thing, one of the many things that Brian
Callahan said at the end of the year at his
closing presser, we have to find the right tackle. Give
me a couple of names that you're watching this week
that might be able to help the type.
Speaker 8 (33:44):
All right, well, I'm glad you brought that up because
actually wrote down of a couple of them. The kid
from Minnesota, Okay, Emory Jones, a l s U. We
got to see him. I want to see what they
do for all of you. Marcus bow from Purdue, He's
gonna be a guard or tackle, and then that's what
they're that's what they're trying to figure o. Everybody bump
(34:07):
him inside that week, but it's play tackle for a
lot of his college career. And the kid at North
Carolina State who was a left tackle, Anthony belt Belton.
I think you can move him over to the right
tackle and be just fine. I like, I don't think
that's three sixty now. You want you want to you
want a monster because I think coach would have a
ball trying to figure out what to.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
Do with him.
Speaker 8 (34:26):
Yeah, I don't know how good a player he is,
but hinting from Michigan, Michigan with that bloodline, that program,
I would think hard about moving him inside and making
him just a massive guard at three forty two, three
forty five. I would think hard about doing that if
I'm a team that wants to beat people up inside.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
I mean, you're look, you've been doing this for a minute.
You're spot on. That's exactly what's going to.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
Happen, right, That's where he's going in the coach.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
But you look at the guys that have moved inside
in this league, and especially the way it's going now
with people starting to run a lot more pinning pool
stuff and a lot.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
More just knock aball. I mean, you know how trends go.
Speaker 6 (35:08):
Yeah, absolutely, it's real now, it's now, it's it's it's
going that way because people are attacking the cylinder now
at that center guard triangle.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
You need dudes in there.
Speaker 8 (35:21):
So let me ask you this coach when he wakes
up in the morning, did he ever think that Makai Beckton,
did he ever think in his life that he would
give thanks that they moved him inside to God?
Speaker 3 (35:32):
The answer is absolutely not.
Speaker 8 (35:34):
And now if you tried to move him back to tackle, no, no,
they'll fight you to the death.
Speaker 7 (35:38):
This is the same guy as a jet that wore
the shirt that said.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
I am a left Yeah. Adamantly, his career has been,
his career has changed. It changed his whole life, changed,
his whole life.
Speaker 8 (35:52):
And he's gonna make a bunch of Money's gonna make
a lot of money. He's gonna be a ten year veteran.
Now he's already got one ring and he's gonna, you know,
compete for more. But everything changed for him because he
was he was this closed to bouncing and everybody was
done with it. They brought him in to be a
swing tackle.
Speaker 5 (36:07):
Very close to bouncing right, and not only a swing tackle,
a maybe guy, a maybe swing tackle.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
He's got a front seat on the bus.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
They brought him in to compete for the swing tackle spot.
Speaker 8 (36:15):
A former first round nothing again for nothing, and now he.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
Does start whatever, nothing wrong with it.
Speaker 8 (36:24):
I'll leave it at this, guys, because I'm taking you
way too far. But Robert Gallery, coach, hey, right, because
because the problem was, especially way back when we were
doing it, then if you drafted a guy at left tackle,
where he had to be, and if he didn't make
it at left tackle, then he was a bust. And
Robert Gallery was not a bust. No, they moved inside
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the guard. He was a ten year veteran guard who's
a really good football player. Probably should have been a
guard from day one, but we drafted him at left
tackle at number six overall and everything changed.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Nothing to changes with you, man.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
It's so great to see you guys.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Thank you so much for a little bit.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
This is awesome. I wish I could just stay here.
You can go off all these We're just staying here.
We're not going anywhere else. This is it. You tell
everybody else. I'm done.
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