January 28, 2025 • 38 mins
Amie Wells is joined by Rhett Bryan , Ramon Foster and Dave McGinnis to talk all things Senior Bowl. Also interviews with Head Coach Brian Callahan and new General Manager Mike Borgonzi from Mobile , Alabama.
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in very Sunnymobile, Alabama at the twenty twenty five Reese's
Senior Bowl. I'm Amy Wells. Brian is here, Coach Mack
is here, Ramon Foster is here, the gang is all here,
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and it feels so good to be covering the Senior
Bowl this season. But before we get started, I feel
that we have to acknowledge the empty seat at the table,
because there is one. If you've been listening to the
OTP recently and thought, oh, that's a lot of Amy.
What is going on win is Mike Keith has taken
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his talents to Knoxville and he is going to be
the voice of the Tennessee Volunteers. He's going to be
covering football and basketball and doing all of the things
in Knoxville, and we are so so happy for him.
But there is definitely an empty seat at our table,
and it is very strange to not have him here
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in Mobile. Everybody knows Mike Keith loved this trip more
than any of the others, I think, and as much
as we made fun of him for it, it is
really odd to not have him here. However, we are
so excited for him. This is an incredible opportunity that
he has. It's a dream that he's had for a
long time, and so we are just so proud and
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we're so excited for our friend. But it's also very strange,
and so I think there's a lot of emotions. I
think we all have some big feelings because it feels
like there's a little avoid But we've spoken to Mike,
and Mike is adamant in letting Titans fans know how
much he misses the fans and how just grateful he
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is to everything that Titans fans have provided over the years,
and so I want to share that with everybody. I
wanted to make sure that we addressed it and we
talked about it, because I know it's a lot of
me right now, and we don't really know what the
OTP is going to look like going forward. We don't
know who else is going to be a part of it.
So for now, the Titans Radio crew is holding it down.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
We're doing our best.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
We're doing our best.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
The Mike Keith was here because he called us while
we were in the stands.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
He did, he did.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
I mean, Mike Keith is not gone for good. He
has just moved a couple miles east.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
He's migrated east. Yeah, that is correct, Yes, but yeah,
it's Uh.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
I've described it continually to people who have asked me.
Is it's the literal definition of bittersweet? The better part,
selfishly is we miss our guy, yep. And it's a
massive void for sure. And the sweet part is we
know that he will absolutely crush the job in Knoxville,
and how happy that we see him and we are
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supremely happy for him.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Well, I mean, Mike has got a unique chance in
any career. I mean he started Titans Radio. I and
Larry Stone, Rhet Brian started Titans Radio, built it to
what it is today, which is quite the entity, and
then in Knoxville being able to go back in now
and kind of reconfigure what's going on there with the
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Vall network. I mean, it's it's a it's an amazing
career story. Uh that there's nobody more deserving for it
because he's a true Hall of famer. And I mean
we used to kid Mike all the time about all
the hall of fames.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
That he was in.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I'm not going to any more dinner.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
So if someone wants to put him in a Hall
of Fame, you just send me, enjoy yourself, send a letter.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
But he will, There's no doubt, and rhet said it right.
He will absolutely crush Vall Network in Knoxville.
Speaker 6 (04:02):
And for me, like I got introduced to Mike one,
I was scared of Mike. Here I am saying sixty
sixty three hundred plus, and all I could think is,
don't step on Mike Toes, do the right thing, be professional,
don't embarrass.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Us outside of the house. Right.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
But I say that to say like the professional that
he was, and how he did this, and how he
went about making sure that Titan's Radio wasn't just a
station that you listen to like it's an event. It's
the way I somewhat look at it, and and how
is broadcast his voice the importance it was to a
lot of fans. I'll never get just with him, like
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understanding like this is how you call a game, this
is how you do the job, and just his recall
of facts and history and everything else that comes along
with it. That to me is one of the biggest parts.
But I had no idea this was his favorite event.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Oh yeah, he loved.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
The Mayor of Mobiles, love the Senor boat and let
me say that the scene love Mike. Yeah, yeah, because
he treated with a lot of respect. And uh, as
I said, he's he set a standard for Titans Radio.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
He did, and of course anybody that's been around him, uh,
you understand what it is like to work.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
And that's that's one of my biggest things. I know,
we joke and I all have a good.
Speaker 6 (05:17):
Time, but as soon as we get close to that
red dot come home and and record is game time,
it really is.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
So there's we have a lot to talk about on
the show, but I wanted to make sure that we
started off by acknowledging that Mike is not here. We
miss him dearly and we are so so excited for
everything that he is going to be doing in the future.
But now, Mac, I want to start with you with
talking about what this week really looks like and why
it's designed the way it is. So guys, come in
for a couple days and they have meetings, then they
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have a couple of days of practice, and then obviously
the grand finale is the actual game. Why is this
designed in this way so that guys have the opportunity
to install and learn and then practice it and then
play the game well.
Speaker 7 (06:00):
Plus they're also exposed to all the teams.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
I mean, these guys their day starts at six in
the morning and it runs until ten at night. I
mean they're not just showing up here and going to
practice and then walking around mobile. I mean, there is
a lot their time is very well scheduled here and
it's it's so extremely important because you've got a short
amount of time here. All the clubs want to find
real information about these guys, not only on the field,
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but these meetings are are very vital. You know, the
guys that we interviewed today, that's vital for us to
get to to get to know them. So their days
here are extremely and that that's you know, whenever I
talk to players that are here, I tell them be
ready to embrace the grind because it's a great it's
a great opportunity for their next step in their career.
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But it's a grind because it starts, as I said,
early in the morning and goes late at night, and
you've always got to be on your game. You always
have to be on your game, because you know the
old laddage. In this league, every day is an interview.
Will really every hour is an interview here that you're
outside your room. So it's a big deal here.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Safe to say it's just as mentally strenuous as it
is physically stringuous.
Speaker 7 (07:10):
Yeah, there's no doubt.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
There's no doubt because these guys, some of them are
used to talking to the media, some of them are
not used to talking. Some of them have done one
on one interviews before, some of them have not. And
it can be it can be all of that. As
a coach, you know, when I coach this thing several
times you would try to help the players through that
by mentioning, look, this is going to be this and
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so you just got to relax, let it come to
you and don't don't try not to feel any anxiety,
which they're.
Speaker 7 (07:38):
Still going to but it's it's all important now.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Ht on the media side, pull back the curtain a
little bit because we're doing a lot of stuff. There
are a lot of different teams, a lot of different
media outlets here that are also having a pretty crazy
week in terms of just gathering things all trying to lead.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Up for the draft.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
Yeah, and I think that's the other reason why it's
important for us to be here because, like Max, that
we can get to talk to some of these draftees
and you know, kind of pick their brain a little
bit about who they are, what they are, what they've
where they've been training, what this journey has been like.
But yeah, on Radio Row here's there's other teams that
are represented here and certainly sports talk stations that are
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all trying to get some of the same interviews that
we're doing. But yeah, Max Wright, in terms of the
media part of this, for the players, it's a good
primer for what they will have to go through if
they're invited to the combine. And I'd say a good
chunk of these guys have a chance to be able
to do that because this is an impressive class that
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Jim Naggy, the executive director, has put together in twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Ramon how much can a guy really make improvements or
change or build on the experience that they have at
some all of the All Star Games, whether it's East
West Shrine or the Senior Bowl, and maybe make some
changes or tinker with things a little bit between now
and the combine.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Well, for the.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
Guys like this is their last opportunity until late July August.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Actually put on pads.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
So for the ones who are tweeners that are guards
going to tackles, they say, the last time put on
pass a showcase they're capable of being a guard or
at least coachable enough to play the position. And that's
where a lot of this comes into play, like this
resume that you're building up to be drafted or at
least be selected, be on the team, Like it's very important,
and anxiety I heard you guys speak about that is
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high in these moments and it comes down to, all right,
if I do have a bad day, Coach Max said
it earlier when we were speaking off airs, like this
is just the first opportunity to prove yourself moving forward.
And that's why I think guys have started to understand
this a little bit more. I think if a guy
had a good day today, you might not see him
the next day because they understand, yes, I'm good enough,
I'm capable enough to be down here. I showed you
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guys what you think of me, and now's my time
to buy. So, yes, we've seen dudes come down here.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Last year.
Speaker 6 (10:04):
If I'm not mistaken, Dwan Jones was one of those guys,
had a real good first day. Didn't I see him
the rest of the time. Why because what you needed
him to do, he did and it proved forerd him
to you know, be good enough that Cleveland Brown selected
him and he played a little bit this year. And
if I'm not mistaken, having an injury or two, but
this is where that happens, where coaches put you in
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very you know, adverse situations to where you got to
come up out of it. We're speaking to a couple
of guys that had to go from guard I mean,
go from tackle to gar and watching them somewhat struggle,
but what you did see was a fight. Like I
know a guy was gonna lose a reper to here
or there, but guess what the idea that you're gonna compete.
That's what a lot of those coaches like seeing too.
I know, like we joke all the time and practices
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like the advantage sometimes goes to the offensive line in
one on one, but there's no excuse for it because well,
the defense has nobody around us and go inside outside
there's a lot that goes into the prep work of
this week. So yes, you can, you know, make a
better claim for yourself, but not just this game in particular.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Like I've seen guys that being other.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
Bowl games, Senior Bowl games and get the invite to
come over here later because of what they did in
those moments. So all of this does matter, especially the
physical side of it too.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Mac as a coach, as a scout, what are you
trying to get here at the Senior Bowl that you
can't necessarily get at any.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Of the other stops along the pre draft process.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
It's face to face now the pre draft process. See,
we're talking now about school visits in which you can
get a lot of time, a lot of face time.
We're talking about thirty visits where now they come into
your facility after the combine. Combine is all scheduled meetings.
They've got scheduled meetings here now they didn't used to
used to. I mean, it was a wild West show.
You just try to grab guys in the hallway and
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just get them when you could. It's all very organized now,
but the important part is getting face to face with them.
And the advantage of coaching this is is you can
really find out how they are in these moments where
they're a little bit when they're away from the other coaches,
are there away from this big spotlight that coming over here?
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Is are sitting down with us? Is or even on
the field? Is what are they like as people? Because
that's extremely important too, What are they like as people?
Because I mean, you can fool somebody for fifteen twenty
thirty forty five minutes an hour and put on your
best whoever you are. But if you are able to
live with these guys like the people that are coaching it,
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it's a huge advantage.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Let's talk about position groups a little bit. Obviously, all
positions are represented here at the Senior Bowl. MAC, is
there a group or two that you are looking forward
to watching as.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
This week goes on.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Let's talk about the draft numbers. The draft numbers this year.
First of all, there are a lot of running backs
in this draft, and there are a lot of running
backs here and we'll see more running backs, so that's
number one. You Also, on the back end of all
those COVID players. So you've got outside backers, you've got
some defensive linement here, and not particularly at the you know,
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the super superstars at the top, but the belly of
this draft, which is the bottom of the second through
about the sixth round, is full of players that are
going to help you at that position. The other thing
are there are edge rushers here, and this is a
good tight end class. It's a good tight end class
when you start looking at it. And to me, you've
got some of those guys here, not all of them,
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not all of them, but those groups today, and we
really concentrated on the bigs today. You know, just watching them,
you can tell that these guys, even if they're taking
in the belly of the draft, are going to be
able to help teams.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
RTT.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Do you have a position group or two that you're
excited about watching?
Speaker 5 (13:39):
Yeah, you know, Mac and ramone watched the big guys
in day one, and I decided to look at something
different because knowing the quarterbacks have an adjustment period in
day one and that they usually make adjustments and have
a little better showing of day two as you get
later into the week, I watched some of the skilled
positions that they were trying to target in this and
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so to his point, running backs R. J. Harvey from
Central Florida, Burschard Smith, the running back from SMU, Devin
Deal from Kansas. There's some nice backs in this just here,
plus the draft itself. The tight ends he mentioned were good.
And then there's you know, there's some off ball linebackers,
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a couple of those that are interesting to watch in this.
But in addition to watching the bigs, I watched some
of the skilled positions who were targets that actually made
a couple of plays here and there.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Ramoni, are you sticking with the big guys.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
A little bit?
Speaker 6 (14:37):
But I do have a little bit of flavor that
one I will say is this too. There was a
difference in my opinion, guys. I'm not sure if you
guys saw it, but like the national team, I thought
was a little bit more gritty in the morning than
it was the American team in the afternoon too, So.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
I was a little bit surprised. I will say this.
Speaker 6 (14:51):
I was shocked this morning because all I've been talking
about is edge players and defensive ends and d tackles.
I thought the offensive line held their own for the
most part in the morning practice on the national team
and just a couple of guys that come out Southern
Coals center guard. What it's a Jonah Monhaig Like, he's
the guy that showed up big time to me today.
You know a lot of Titans fans might not I
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want to hear this, but North Dakota State had a
guard today that played right guard, Gray Zabeled.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Okay, that was really.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
Good and was very solid for the most part, and
it was sprinklings all across. But I will go outside
the offensive line. I'll go to tight ends.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (15:27):
One guy in particular, Elijah Royal, I thought today had
a solid day down the field. He was able to
show he's a big prospect to begin with number one,
but he was able to break down some linebackers and
the safety too in his route running. So I was
very pleased in watching him for the most part. But
that was my focus for the most part today was
watching the interior exterior and the old line and D line.
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That's what my interest was. I was about to pretict
the quarterbacks and coach Max at ramone. No, no, no,
simmer down. It's day one quarterbacks iner exchanges. Thing that
has to be worked on. Timing of routes for the
wide receivers to quarterback is always a big thing. So,
as coach Mack like to say from time to time,
the ies instant evaluators coaches that are watching this tape,
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they understand these scenarios right here, so we'll see a lot. Hey,
this guy wasn't good. That guy would No, it wasn't
that today, it's the adjustment. Another unique individual that I
am looking at while we're on the O line two
is North Carolina's Willie Lampkin five ten two seventy five
playing guard and center. Wow, yes, under six foot. For
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the most part, he held his own. But of course
we'll see where he goes in the draft number one,
but also how he handles uh because there's some big
individuals out here. So we'll see how that goes over
the course of the rest of this week and in
his career. I mean, the guy, if I'm not mistaken,
was at least first team All acc and maybe All
American too, so he can play. It's a matter of
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where in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Well, just to stay with off though, the guys that
were making transitions that they asked them to make transitions
from tackles to guards like Whyatt Milem from West Virginia today,
Marcus Bowl from Purdue, Ozzie Trepeo from BC. Those guys
did a nice job.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
I will say this to about White mylems. Also, you
can tell, if you understand the game we had them
on earlier when we were speaking to him, he was
going from tackle to guard. Now you can tell he
was trying to figure out how do I play guard?
Is one of the wildest things you have to learn
in your career because it's such a difference in space
and being close confined. What I saw from him today
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was he had to start to fight early because in
his mind, if he could stop a guy, then it
means it was better for him. But what it was doing,
he was over exposing his inside charge, like his legs
were getting out from underneath them, and guys would beat him.
I'm okay with that. I love to see a guy
experience experiment in practice because it lets me know that
he's at least attempting to get better. So I'm not
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upset with Wyatt Mileam today and how he played left guard.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
One more guy that jumped out to us and I
knew nothing about coming in here and Rhet and I
do a pretty good car wash of guys before we
get down. Here was Anthony Belton from North Carolina State.
I mean this this dude, and Ret's the numbers guy,
so he's in my ear when I'm watching this guy.
I mean he's six oh five three three forty five
and he's got an eighty three and an eighth inch
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wingspan and just measure that sometimes at home with a
tape measure.
Speaker 7 (18:25):
So that guy was interesting today.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
Since you did it, Coach Mack, I guess we'll just
ping pong this thing back and forth. But there's a
guy defensively that showed up time and time again. Anita's appeables.
He just kept being in the backfield all day long
on the national team practice today. Undersize, but I think
Aaron Donald has changed that narrative across the board as
far as defensive line and goal. If you can play,
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you can create chaos what he did today during practice
and one on ones. This league will find the pathway
for you.
Speaker 7 (18:54):
What's the same way.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
And we're going way back now because we're the Titans.
To Jerrell Casey, yes real Casey was I can remember
his talking about him in draft rooms. It was the
same thing as far as you know. Not the tallest dude,
but quick and then there's a place for him. I
was around the drafting of him and the drafting of
Aaron Donald, and the showing down here is important.
Speaker 7 (19:16):
Yes it is, RTT.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Do you have any names that we should know to add.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
To the Yeah, I'm gonna do an honorary frog for
mac TCU's wide receiver Jack Besh.
Speaker 7 (19:25):
Thank you, Ritt.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Jack Besh is going to I think he's going to
get a lot of attention this week. Nice receiver prospect.
He'll get different attention too because his brother, Tiger, the
wide receiver from Princeton, obviously tragically lost his life and
the incident happened a few weeks ago in New Orleans,
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and so everyone's gonna wear his brother's tag and sticker
on the back of their helmets. He's wearing his brother's
number in the game. But he's actually a technically sound,
good route run wide receiver that I think can make
a difference in this. And then when we're talking about
I didn't talk much about the defensive secondary guys, but
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Max Harriston from Kentucky is a name you should definitely
be paying attention to Darien Porter from Iowa State, Quincy
Riley from Louisville, and that's the pipeline that we saw,
you know, Jarvis Brownlee come out of last year and
a Storm Duck.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
I just didn't want you not to mention Storm Ducks.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Oh great name he mentioned done.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
But yeah, there's just there's interesting prospects and Max right
the quarterbacks, they're just trying to find their footing in
day one. In day two, I will be very interested
to see there's a Canadian prospect here because Will Howard,
the Ohio State quarterback, took himself out of this because
we just finished college football.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
He's got to be tired, gotta.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
Be national champion. But there is a guy, Taylor ELGERSBA
and he is a graduate of Wilfred Laurier in Ontario, Canada.
He won the Heck Brighton Award, which is basically the
equivalent of the Canada's equivalent of the Heisman. Wow it finished.
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He had a lot of yards passing, but he was
two time player of the Year and one of the
few guys. But he's been working with an outfit called
QB Country and they have stations all they have actually
have won in Nashville, but it's some of the same
group of folks that run the Manning camp started this
whole deal. He's been down to Birmingham working at QB Country,
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getting himself ready for this pre draft process and certainly
this invite to the Senior Bowl. That's the same group
that trained both Drake May and bow Knicks into pre
draft process. But yeah, Taylor Elgersma is something that's going
to be interesting because he just you don't see guys
from Canada come to this thing at the quarterback position much.
And I think a lot of these guys, the evaluators,
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the scouts, a lot of them hadn't seen him because
he hasn't been to the Manning passing camps. He has
been taking a part of the Canadian Football League's Quarterback
Initiative and internship where you can actually a college player
can go and be in training camps in CFL training camps.
He's done that for the last three seasons for the
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Toronto Argonauts and for the Hamilton Tiger Cats. So he's
been around some pro type stuff and we'll see what
happens with him. But yeah, six six two fourteen, and
you know, if Jim Naggie tells you you can throw
it through a brick wall, he probably can. We'll see
about the touch and the accuracy. But yeah, that's that's
that's an interesting prospect.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Well.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
A name that we should know all of us is
Titan's head coach Brian Callahan. We should know that name.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
We had a chance to sit down and talk with
him here at the Senior Bowl and kind of the
kind of talk to him about a bunch of different things,
but one of the things that we started with was
his confidence level heading into his second season as a
head coach. Coach, you are no longer a rookie head coach,
you are now a seasoned head coach.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Feels good.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
See, does that make you feel a little bit more
confident not only in the role that you have going
into year two, but what you're looking for and how
you're evaluating.
Speaker 8 (23:22):
Absolutely, everything's everything is clearer. The vision is very clear.
What we need to do and how we need to
do is very clear. Things I need to improve on
are very clear. I just I feel so much more
comfortable in a job now than I did a year ago, which,
like anything, as we all grow with experience, but that's
not to say that the urgency isn't the same. You know,
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my urgency to get our team better and to improve
as high as it's ever been. And I'm excited about
the challenge. But yeah, I feel feel like I'm in
a good place right now.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Last year we heard a lot about like templates or
blueprints to Tennessee Titans, what that player looks like, get
a variety of positions. Following the twenty twenty four season,
did you tinker with those blueprints a little bit? No?
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Really, what we look for is pretty consistent.
Speaker 9 (24:08):
You know.
Speaker 8 (24:09):
The best way I can describe it is, you know,
if you look at, for example, like Pittsburgh Steelers outside linebacker,
they've looked the same for forty years, right right, There's
a there's a there's a profile and a process to
getting the players that fit what you're looking for, and
all that starts right here, which is which is great.
But our what we look for and why we look
for a certain characteristics hasn't changed much. It'll be interesting
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to see how you know, a lot of new personnel
people with with Ziggler and Reggie and Chad and Mike,
what that looks like and from them, But from a
coaching standpoint, You know, what we ask of them and
the players we look for is is pretty consistent, and
I think they see a lot of it the same.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
There's a lot of quarterback evaluation going on right now,
and you've talked a lot about that nervous system and
the reaction time. Is that something that you're able to
gauge and evaluate here at the Senior Bowl or do
you need those interviews that will come a little bit later.
Speaker 8 (25:00):
You need all of it, you know, you need every
part of the process. You need the Senior Bowl, you
need the combine. You need to see him throwing live,
you need to see him throw at their pro day.
You need to see them in your building on the
thirty visit. So there's there's a whole list of things
you sort of have to check off on your way
to making that decision. It's a long ways off at
this point. There's a lot of work to do on
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all these players, in particular the quarterbacks. But there's no
other way you can arrive at that conclusion until you've
sort of hit every part of the process to find
out about how they function and who they are as
a person.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
You mentioned Mike Worganzi and his staff. How much into
the weeds do you get in the evaluation process with
him or do you kind of let him do his
thing and kind of.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Get his team settled.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
It's both.
Speaker 8 (25:45):
I think they they have, you know, personnel sides always
focused on on the on the acquisition coaching, we still
have things that we start when we get back to
the office, our evaluation process. Then we sort of interject
into that process as it goes along. This is a
great time for me. It's my first exposure all these players.
But that's that's a whole. They definitely are more pushing
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forward on the personnel, whereas I have other things that
on the coaching side that I still have to work on.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
So it's good. It's a good mix and a good
marriage of it.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Speaking of personnel changes, you have some staffing changes on
the coaching side, adding John Fossil, better known as Bones,
to the special team.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Staff as a new coordinator.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
What was it about him that made him such a
valuable person to add to your staff.
Speaker 8 (26:31):
Well, he's one of the best special teams coaches in football.
Guys like him don't come available very often, and it
just so happened that whatever the situation was at his
previous employment, there was an opportunity to add him, and
we jumped on it, and we aggressively tried to go
after him, and he's done.
Speaker 9 (26:47):
He is.
Speaker 8 (26:48):
Wait till you guys get to know him. As the
best way I can say, he's he's got incredible energy,
He's a fantastic football coach. He's he's just one of
the best out there, both as a special teams coach
and then the injection of energy to the team and
connection with the team. He's phenomenal. And so I can't
wait for you guys to get a chance to meet Bones.
But I'm thrilled to have him. It's a huge gift
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for us.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Other guys that were added to the team, Tony Odin
was added as this passing game coordinator in quarterbacks coach
Renee Stewart as assistant special teams coach.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
What do those guys bring to their respective role.
Speaker 8 (27:20):
Yeah, well, Renee has been with Bones, They've they got
a relationship. Special teams coordinators and their assistants usually are
kind of like pairs, So like the line coaches and
assistant line coaches, they work really well together. It's a
very critical role for them. To be on the same page,
and so that was part of bones coming is that
we'd have an availability to bring Stu with them, and
I'm excited about that pairing.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
They work really well together.
Speaker 8 (27:43):
Tony Oden I was with in Detroit in twenty sixteen
and twenty seventeen, coached a fantastic secondary there with Darius Slay,
Caandre Diggs who was on that team, Glover Quinn. We
were really good in the secondary. Had a ton of
respect for him and again a guy that came available
due to change another organization, and so we acted aggressively
try to add him to but did a great job
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in New York. That secondary is fantastic, really really good
football coach and adding some more diversity of thought from
He's from a little bit different scheme in Denards, so
it'll be helpful for us.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Luke Stalker, who Titans fans remember as a tight end
player for the Titans, now promoted to the tight ends coach.
That's a really important position coach job to have. What
did you see in him in your time working together
that made you confident he'd be great in that role.
Speaker 8 (28:31):
The experience as a player is a part of it,
you know, He's one thing I appreciate about Luke is
he didn't he didn't skip any steps. You know, he
played for twelve years and came in and was an
internals first year, and then he was he'd drawn cards
and breaking down film and doing all the things that
a young coach would do. But I just see an
immense coaching talent. I think he's going to be really
good for a long time, and an opportunity to keep
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him here with us was important to me, And I'm
excited about what he'll bring from an experience standpoint as
a player and his knowledge as a young coach.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
All right after your time here in Mobile, how are
you going to bring all of this information back to
Nashville and ingest it all?
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Like what does that process even look like?
Speaker 8 (29:10):
It's the beginning, And so there's all these interviews in particular,
and watching the tape, I know our scouting staff will
will go into the draft room here sometime next week
and they'll be in there. You might not see him
for a month, you know. They just they go in
there and they go all day, sometimes seven days a week,
all over to the combine to make sure that we
get every exposure on the players. They watch multiple games
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on each player on the board, and that's a lot
of players, and so they're in there for a long time.
It's just the beginning part and then we hit the
combine and that's the next step. And so we just
said to hit all these checkpoints as we go. Their
job is much more demanding of compiling information than mine
because I have other things I have to do to
coaching wise. But I'm really excited about their process and
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how they do it, and it thinks gonna be really
good for us.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
How excited are you about just kicking off the twenty
five road to the draft. It's such an exciting time
for the Tennessee Titans.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (30:05):
Again, as I've said before, I don't really enjoy picking
first overall. I hope to not have to do it
ever again. But it is an opportunity and opportunity to
improve our team. And that's how the league works. If
you need players, they put you in position to get them.
You pick at the top of every round. You're gonna
have a chance to get good players at every turn.
And we got to add as many as possible. And
I love the draft process. I love the scouting process.
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That's why I'm here. You know, these are things that
I enjoy doing because I want to make sure we
get the right players and we need them. We need
the right players with the right makeup, Guys that love
playing football, the love winning football games, and as many
of those guys as we can get. That's how we guys,
what we got to find out, that's why we get
to go watch these guys and interview them. But I'm
really excited about the process and where we're headed.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Brian Callahan, thanks so much for the time.
Speaker 8 (30:46):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
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back to the OTP. We also had the opportunity to
talk with new general manager Mike Borganzi. He is here
and really starting to get in a groove kind of
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build chemistry with the new group of people that he
is going to be working with within the Titans personnel department.
So here's that conversation with Mike Burgonzi. Mike, you are
obviously not new to talent evaluation, but you are new
to the Tennessee Titans. When you are with a new organization,
does it color the lens that you are evaluating these
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guys through.
Speaker 9 (31:57):
This is a great opportunity from coming down here and
meet the staff of first time, so just to be
able to start those relationships with the with the scouts,
it's a great time to do that. This game has
always been an important part when we're in Kansas City
of evaluating guys. We've We've got a lot of guys
on our roster throughout Kansas City, so we know the
evaluation part here is you finally get to sit down
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and talk with some of these guys and see them
in person for the first time, right and then be
on the field to see them go through the competition.
So this is an important part of the process here
to start here in.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Mobile when you are getting to know your staff. I mean,
this is a real intensive in getting to know a
staff because you're here together for a couple of days,
you're on the road a lot. What are the first
things that you're trying to establish with your new team?
Speaker 9 (32:42):
Just relationships, who they are, where they came from. Some
of the guys I do know over the years, but
some of them are new to me. So that's the
most important part, I think, is building that relationship with
everybody you know, whether that's going out to dinner at
the East West with some of these guys and being
here with them and talking through them throughout practice. So
that's really the first step is really to get to
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know the staff and really to develop a relationship with them.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
When a team gets a new head coach, there's a
lot of talk about a new language, the play callings
a little bit, different things are labeled a different way.
Does the same thing happen in personnel? Is there a
new language that you guys are learning how to speak together.
Speaker 9 (33:18):
Yeah, it'll be a different process, a different grading scale. Listen,
at the end of the day, it's scouting football players,
So it's just really getting on the same page and
speaking that same language. But that's a process and we'll
go through that through through here where it starts. We'll
have meetings here in another week here and for seventeen
straight days, so that means that'll be new to the staff.
A lot of film watching, but I think that's the
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best way to learn the new language is to walk
through it, watch the film. It's a process. But like
I said, everything starts here right now.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Obviously you're creating relationships with your staff, but also with
Titan's head coach Brian Callahan and the time that you
guys have gotten to work together. I know you were
at the East West shrinebol now you're here. What have
you learned about him and maybe the way that you
guys are going to work together.
Speaker 9 (34:04):
First of all, great person and I've heard that over
the years that you know mutual people in the business
that has worked with him. Very smart, very detailed. I
see a lot of the same qualities I think in
me in him. So we kind of hit it off
right away. It's really just starting to develop the relationship part,
and that part has been great so far with Brian.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Let's talk a little bit of football.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Now, what are you able to gather here in Mobile
that you're maybe not able to get at any of
the other places throughout the pre draft process.
Speaker 9 (34:32):
Last night we went through the interviews, and tonight we'll
have more interviews. So it's the first time if you
haven't been into the school to really sit down and
talk with them, get to know them as people. If
there's any questions that we have for them that came
up in the past with them. It's an opportunity to
really just sit down and get to know the person.
So we'll go through the interview process. That's a very
important process, whether it's the All Star Games, the Combine,
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and then of course being out on the field and
seeing them go through competition, and it's the best of
the best out there, So it's this is this is
an important time and this.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Really is the last time that you get to see
these guys go through real football Like this is the last.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Time that they're doing these things.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Does your evaluation mean a little bit more because they're
actually in a game like setting or practice like setting
as opposed to doing drills and things on air.
Speaker 9 (35:18):
The most important part is being on the football field
in pads. They'll go through the testing at the combine
and we'll gather that information. But for us, the most
important part is going to be watching practices, watching game film.
So we get a lot out of this game.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
How do you ingest all.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Of this information once you get back to Ascension Saint
Thomas Sports Park.
Speaker 9 (35:38):
As soon as we get back, we'll turn the film on.
Now we start to watch all the practices. We'll go
through the game and that's part of our college pre
draft meetings that we'll do. Not only will we watch
the game tape from the fall, but we'll turn on
this film here. We'll watch all the practices, the individual periods,
and then of course the game. So yeah, and it's
and it's great competition out here. That's that's the most important.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
A lot of work to do, but it's fun work, right.
Speaker 9 (36:02):
It's fun work. This is what we're in the business for.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Mike Woorganzi, thank you so much for taking the time
to talk to us.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
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a winning play for you. They've been covering Tennesseeans for
nearly eighty years. Now back to the OTP. Well, guys,
we've got coaching staff additions. We've got all of the
things happening right now. We have a personnel group that
is down here trying to get their feed on the ground,
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trying to figure out what's what. We've got all of
these players to evaluate. We've got a high draft pick
for the Tennessee Titans, and what that it's going to
look like. It feels as though there are so many
things going on for the Titans.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Mac.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
How does any group of people keep everything kind of
straight in their brains and how did they work between Okay,
we've had some coaching staff changes.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Okay, that's done.
Speaker 7 (37:17):
Now we move on.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Now we've got to evaluate these players. Okay, we've got that.
We've got to keep going. Free agencies just around the corner. Okay,
we got to worry about that.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
How do you keep it all straight.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
Well, I'll tell you exactly how. First of all, I'll
say Titans Radio is on top of all of it.
So if you want to know how you keep everything straight,
it's Titan Radio. You have a plan coming in, you know,
none of these groups just show up and just start
going off in all different directions. This is very well
planned out. It's very well organized. When you get down here,
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who's going to look at, what meetings you're going to
have afterwards, what you're going to try together and glean
from the meetings, what specifically you want to talk about.
All of this stuff is planned out, and that's exactly now.
That's why it's so important to your point, for these
new additions to the Personnel Department and High Level Personnel
Department not only to get to know each other, but
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for everybody else involved to get to be able to
know them and see, the League is a very linear calendar.
No matter how many changes you make, it doesn't stop.
There's no difference, it doesn't stop. So you have to
be able to slot in like a jingle puzzle immediately.
That's what their meetings were about coming down here.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
So tomorrow there will be another day of interviews. There
will be more practice to be had. There is more
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in very Sunnymobile, Alabama at the twenty twenty five Reese's
Senior Bowl. I'm Amy Wells. Brian is here, Coach Mack
is here, Ramon Foster is here, the gang is all here,
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and it feels so good to be covering the Senior
Bowl this season. But before we get started, I feel
that we have to acknowledge the empty seat at the table,
because there is one. If you've been listening to the
OTP recently and thought, oh, that's a lot of Amy.
What is going on win is Mike Keith has taken
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his talents to Knoxville and he is going to be
the voice of the Tennessee Volunteers. He's going to be
covering football and basketball and doing all of the things
in Knoxville, and we are so so happy for him.
But there is definitely an empty seat at our table,
and it is very strange to not have him here
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in Mobile. Everybody knows Mike Keith loved this trip more
than any of the others, I think, and as much
as we made fun of him for it, it is
really odd to not have him here. However, we are
so excited for him. This is an incredible opportunity that
he has. It's a dream that he's had for a
long time, and so we are just so proud and
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we're so excited for our friend. But it's also very strange,
and so I think there's a lot of emotions. I
think we all have some big feelings because it feels
like there's a little avoid But we've spoken to Mike,
and Mike is adamant in letting Titans fans know how
much he misses the fans and how just grateful he
(02:10):
is to everything that Titans fans have provided over the years,
and so I want to share that with everybody. I
wanted to make sure that we addressed it and we
talked about it, because I know it's a lot of
me right now, and we don't really know what the
OTP is going to look like going forward. We don't
know who else is going to be a part of it.
So for now, the Titans Radio crew is holding it down.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
We're doing our best.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
We're doing our best.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
The Mike Keith was here because he called us while
we were in the stands.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
He did, he did.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
I mean, Mike Keith is not gone for good. He
has just moved a couple miles east.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
He's migrated east. Yeah, that is correct, Yes, but yeah,
it's Uh.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
I've described it continually to people who have asked me.
Is it's the literal definition of bittersweet? The better part,
selfishly is we miss our guy, yep. And it's a
massive void for sure. And the sweet part is we
know that he will absolutely crush the job in Knoxville,
and how happy that we see him and we are
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supremely happy for him.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Well, I mean, Mike has got a unique chance in
any career. I mean he started Titans Radio. I and
Larry Stone, Rhet Brian started Titans Radio, built it to
what it is today, which is quite the entity, and
then in Knoxville being able to go back in now
and kind of reconfigure what's going on there with the
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Vall network. I mean, it's it's a it's an amazing
career story. Uh that there's nobody more deserving for it
because he's a true Hall of famer. And I mean
we used to kid Mike all the time about all
the hall of fames.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
That he was in.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I'm not going to any more dinner.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
So if someone wants to put him in a Hall
of Fame, you just send me, enjoy yourself, send a letter.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
But he will, There's no doubt, and rhet said it right.
He will absolutely crush Vall Network in Knoxville.
Speaker 6 (04:02):
And for me, like I got introduced to Mike one,
I was scared of Mike. Here I am saying sixty
sixty three hundred plus, and all I could think is,
don't step on Mike Toes, do the right thing, be professional,
don't embarrass.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Us outside of the house. Right.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
But I say that to say like the professional that
he was, and how he did this, and how he
went about making sure that Titan's Radio wasn't just a
station that you listen to like it's an event. It's
the way I somewhat look at it, and and how
is broadcast his voice the importance it was to a
lot of fans. I'll never get just with him, like
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understanding like this is how you call a game, this
is how you do the job, and just his recall
of facts and history and everything else that comes along
with it. That to me is one of the biggest parts.
But I had no idea this was his favorite event.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Oh yeah, he loved.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
The Mayor of Mobiles, love the Senor boat and let
me say that the scene love Mike. Yeah, yeah, because
he treated with a lot of respect. And uh, as
I said, he's he set a standard for Titans Radio.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
He did, and of course anybody that's been around him, uh,
you understand what it is like to work.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
And that's that's one of my biggest things. I know,
we joke and I all have a good.
Speaker 6 (05:17):
Time, but as soon as we get close to that
red dot come home and and record is game time,
it really is.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
So there's we have a lot to talk about on
the show, but I wanted to make sure that we
started off by acknowledging that Mike is not here. We
miss him dearly and we are so so excited for
everything that he is going to be doing in the future.
But now, Mac, I want to start with you with
talking about what this week really looks like and why
it's designed the way it is. So guys, come in
for a couple days and they have meetings, then they
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have a couple of days of practice, and then obviously
the grand finale is the actual game. Why is this
designed in this way so that guys have the opportunity
to install and learn and then practice it and then
play the game well.
Speaker 7 (06:00):
Plus they're also exposed to all the teams.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
I mean, these guys their day starts at six in
the morning and it runs until ten at night. I
mean they're not just showing up here and going to
practice and then walking around mobile. I mean, there is
a lot their time is very well scheduled here and
it's it's so extremely important because you've got a short
amount of time here. All the clubs want to find
real information about these guys, not only on the field,
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but these meetings are are very vital. You know, the
guys that we interviewed today, that's vital for us to
get to to get to know them. So their days
here are extremely and that that's you know, whenever I
talk to players that are here, I tell them be
ready to embrace the grind because it's a great it's
a great opportunity for their next step in their career.
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But it's a grind because it starts, as I said,
early in the morning and goes late at night, and
you've always got to be on your game. You always
have to be on your game, because you know the
old laddage. In this league, every day is an interview.
Will really every hour is an interview here that you're
outside your room. So it's a big deal here.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Safe to say it's just as mentally strenuous as it
is physically stringuous.
Speaker 7 (07:10):
Yeah, there's no doubt.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
There's no doubt because these guys, some of them are
used to talking to the media, some of them are
not used to talking. Some of them have done one
on one interviews before, some of them have not. And
it can be it can be all of that. As
a coach, you know, when I coach this thing several
times you would try to help the players through that
by mentioning, look, this is going to be this and
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so you just got to relax, let it come to
you and don't don't try not to feel any anxiety,
which they're.
Speaker 7 (07:38):
Still going to but it's it's all important now.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Ht on the media side, pull back the curtain a
little bit because we're doing a lot of stuff. There
are a lot of different teams, a lot of different
media outlets here that are also having a pretty crazy
week in terms of just gathering things all trying to lead.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Up for the draft.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
Yeah, and I think that's the other reason why it's
important for us to be here because, like Max, that
we can get to talk to some of these draftees
and you know, kind of pick their brain a little
bit about who they are, what they are, what they've
where they've been training, what this journey has been like.
But yeah, on Radio Row here's there's other teams that
are represented here and certainly sports talk stations that are
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all trying to get some of the same interviews that
we're doing. But yeah, Max Wright, in terms of the
media part of this, for the players, it's a good
primer for what they will have to go through if
they're invited to the combine. And I'd say a good
chunk of these guys have a chance to be able
to do that because this is an impressive class that
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Jim Naggy, the executive director, has put together in twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Ramon how much can a guy really make improvements or
change or build on the experience that they have at
some all of the All Star Games, whether it's East
West Shrine or the Senior Bowl, and maybe make some
changes or tinker with things a little bit between now
and the combine.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Well, for the.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
Guys like this is their last opportunity until late July August.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Actually put on pads.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
So for the ones who are tweeners that are guards
going to tackles, they say, the last time put on
pass a showcase they're capable of being a guard or
at least coachable enough to play the position. And that's
where a lot of this comes into play, like this
resume that you're building up to be drafted or at
least be selected, be on the team, Like it's very important,
and anxiety I heard you guys speak about that is
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high in these moments and it comes down to, all right,
if I do have a bad day, Coach Max said
it earlier when we were speaking off airs, like this
is just the first opportunity to prove yourself moving forward.
And that's why I think guys have started to understand
this a little bit more. I think if a guy
had a good day today, you might not see him
the next day because they understand, yes, I'm good enough,
I'm capable enough to be down here. I showed you
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guys what you think of me, and now's my time
to buy. So, yes, we've seen dudes come down here.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Last year.
Speaker 6 (10:04):
If I'm not mistaken, Dwan Jones was one of those guys,
had a real good first day. Didn't I see him
the rest of the time. Why because what you needed
him to do, he did and it proved forerd him
to you know, be good enough that Cleveland Brown selected
him and he played a little bit this year. And
if I'm not mistaken, having an injury or two, but
this is where that happens, where coaches put you in
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very you know, adverse situations to where you got to
come up out of it. We're speaking to a couple
of guys that had to go from guard I mean,
go from tackle to gar and watching them somewhat struggle,
but what you did see was a fight. Like I
know a guy was gonna lose a reper to here
or there, but guess what the idea that you're gonna compete.
That's what a lot of those coaches like seeing too.
I know, like we joke all the time and practices
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like the advantage sometimes goes to the offensive line in
one on one, but there's no excuse for it because well,
the defense has nobody around us and go inside outside
there's a lot that goes into the prep work of
this week. So yes, you can, you know, make a
better claim for yourself, but not just this game in particular.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Like I've seen guys that being other.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
Bowl games, Senior Bowl games and get the invite to
come over here later because of what they did in
those moments. So all of this does matter, especially the
physical side of it too.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Mac as a coach, as a scout, what are you
trying to get here at the Senior Bowl that you
can't necessarily get at any.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Of the other stops along the pre draft process.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
It's face to face now the pre draft process. See,
we're talking now about school visits in which you can
get a lot of time, a lot of face time.
We're talking about thirty visits where now they come into
your facility after the combine. Combine is all scheduled meetings.
They've got scheduled meetings here now they didn't used to
used to. I mean, it was a wild West show.
You just try to grab guys in the hallway and
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just get them when you could. It's all very organized now,
but the important part is getting face to face with them.
And the advantage of coaching this is is you can
really find out how they are in these moments where
they're a little bit when they're away from the other coaches,
are there away from this big spotlight that coming over here?
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Is are sitting down with us? Is or even on
the field? Is what are they like as people? Because
that's extremely important too, What are they like as people?
Because I mean, you can fool somebody for fifteen twenty
thirty forty five minutes an hour and put on your
best whoever you are. But if you are able to
live with these guys like the people that are coaching it,
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it's a huge advantage.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Let's talk about position groups a little bit. Obviously, all
positions are represented here at the Senior Bowl. MAC, is
there a group or two that you are looking forward
to watching as.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
This week goes on.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Let's talk about the draft numbers. The draft numbers this year.
First of all, there are a lot of running backs
in this draft, and there are a lot of running
backs here and we'll see more running backs, so that's
number one. You Also, on the back end of all
those COVID players. So you've got outside backers, you've got
some defensive linement here, and not particularly at the you know,
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the super superstars at the top, but the belly of
this draft, which is the bottom of the second through
about the sixth round, is full of players that are
going to help you at that position. The other thing
are there are edge rushers here, and this is a
good tight end class. It's a good tight end class
when you start looking at it. And to me, you've
got some of those guys here, not all of them,
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not all of them, but those groups today, and we
really concentrated on the bigs today. You know, just watching them,
you can tell that these guys, even if they're taking
in the belly of the draft, are going to be
able to help teams.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
RTT.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Do you have a position group or two that you're
excited about watching?
Speaker 5 (13:39):
Yeah, you know, Mac and ramone watched the big guys
in day one, and I decided to look at something
different because knowing the quarterbacks have an adjustment period in
day one and that they usually make adjustments and have
a little better showing of day two as you get
later into the week, I watched some of the skilled
positions that they were trying to target in this and
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so to his point, running backs R. J. Harvey from
Central Florida, Burschard Smith, the running back from SMU, Devin
Deal from Kansas. There's some nice backs in this just here,
plus the draft itself. The tight ends he mentioned were good.
And then there's you know, there's some off ball linebackers,
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a couple of those that are interesting to watch in this.
But in addition to watching the bigs, I watched some
of the skilled positions who were targets that actually made
a couple of plays here and there.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Ramoni, are you sticking with the big guys.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
A little bit?
Speaker 6 (14:37):
But I do have a little bit of flavor that
one I will say is this too. There was a
difference in my opinion, guys. I'm not sure if you
guys saw it, but like the national team, I thought
was a little bit more gritty in the morning than
it was the American team in the afternoon too, So.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
I was a little bit surprised. I will say this.
Speaker 6 (14:51):
I was shocked this morning because all I've been talking
about is edge players and defensive ends and d tackles.
I thought the offensive line held their own for the
most part in the morning practice on the national team
and just a couple of guys that come out Southern
Coals center guard. What it's a Jonah Monhaig Like, he's
the guy that showed up big time to me today.
You know a lot of Titans fans might not I
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want to hear this, but North Dakota State had a
guard today that played right guard, Gray Zabeled.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Okay, that was really.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
Good and was very solid for the most part, and
it was sprinklings all across. But I will go outside
the offensive line. I'll go to tight ends.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (15:27):
One guy in particular, Elijah Royal, I thought today had
a solid day down the field. He was able to
show he's a big prospect to begin with number one,
but he was able to break down some linebackers and
the safety too in his route running. So I was
very pleased in watching him for the most part. But
that was my focus for the most part today was
watching the interior exterior and the old line and D line.
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That's what my interest was. I was about to pretict
the quarterbacks and coach Max at ramone. No, no, no,
simmer down. It's day one quarterbacks iner exchanges. Thing that
has to be worked on. Timing of routes for the
wide receivers to quarterback is always a big thing. So,
as coach Mack like to say from time to time,
the ies instant evaluators coaches that are watching this tape,
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they understand these scenarios right here, so we'll see a lot. Hey,
this guy wasn't good. That guy would No, it wasn't
that today, it's the adjustment. Another unique individual that I
am looking at while we're on the O line two
is North Carolina's Willie Lampkin five ten two seventy five
playing guard and center. Wow, yes, under six foot. For
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the most part, he held his own. But of course
we'll see where he goes in the draft number one,
but also how he handles uh because there's some big
individuals out here. So we'll see how that goes over
the course of the rest of this week and in
his career. I mean, the guy, if I'm not mistaken,
was at least first team All acc and maybe All
American too, so he can play. It's a matter of
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where in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Well, just to stay with off though, the guys that
were making transitions that they asked them to make transitions
from tackles to guards like Whyatt Milem from West Virginia today,
Marcus Bowl from Purdue, Ozzie Trepeo from BC. Those guys
did a nice job.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
I will say this to about White mylems. Also, you
can tell, if you understand the game we had them
on earlier when we were speaking to him, he was
going from tackle to guard. Now you can tell he
was trying to figure out how do I play guard?
Is one of the wildest things you have to learn
in your career because it's such a difference in space
and being close confined. What I saw from him today
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was he had to start to fight early because in
his mind, if he could stop a guy, then it
means it was better for him. But what it was doing,
he was over exposing his inside charge, like his legs
were getting out from underneath them, and guys would beat him.
I'm okay with that. I love to see a guy
experience experiment in practice because it lets me know that
he's at least attempting to get better. So I'm not
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upset with Wyatt Mileam today and how he played left guard.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
One more guy that jumped out to us and I
knew nothing about coming in here and Rhet and I
do a pretty good car wash of guys before we
get down. Here was Anthony Belton from North Carolina State.
I mean this this dude, and Ret's the numbers guy,
so he's in my ear when I'm watching this guy.
I mean he's six oh five three three forty five
and he's got an eighty three and an eighth inch
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wingspan and just measure that sometimes at home with a
tape measure.
Speaker 7 (18:25):
So that guy was interesting today.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
Since you did it, Coach Mack, I guess we'll just
ping pong this thing back and forth. But there's a
guy defensively that showed up time and time again. Anita's appeables.
He just kept being in the backfield all day long
on the national team practice today. Undersize, but I think
Aaron Donald has changed that narrative across the board as
far as defensive line and goal. If you can play,
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you can create chaos what he did today during practice
and one on ones. This league will find the pathway
for you.
Speaker 7 (18:54):
What's the same way.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
And we're going way back now because we're the Titans.
To Jerrell Casey, yes real Casey was I can remember
his talking about him in draft rooms. It was the
same thing as far as you know. Not the tallest dude,
but quick and then there's a place for him. I
was around the drafting of him and the drafting of
Aaron Donald, and the showing down here is important.
Speaker 7 (19:16):
Yes it is, RTT.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Do you have any names that we should know to add.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
To the Yeah, I'm gonna do an honorary frog for
mac TCU's wide receiver Jack Besh.
Speaker 7 (19:25):
Thank you, Ritt.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Jack Besh is going to I think he's going to
get a lot of attention this week. Nice receiver prospect.
He'll get different attention too because his brother, Tiger, the
wide receiver from Princeton, obviously tragically lost his life and
the incident happened a few weeks ago in New Orleans,
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and so everyone's gonna wear his brother's tag and sticker
on the back of their helmets. He's wearing his brother's
number in the game. But he's actually a technically sound,
good route run wide receiver that I think can make
a difference in this. And then when we're talking about
I didn't talk much about the defensive secondary guys, but
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Max Harriston from Kentucky is a name you should definitely
be paying attention to Darien Porter from Iowa State, Quincy
Riley from Louisville, and that's the pipeline that we saw,
you know, Jarvis Brownlee come out of last year and
a Storm Duck.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
I just didn't want you not to mention Storm Ducks.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Oh great name he mentioned done.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
But yeah, there's just there's interesting prospects and Max right
the quarterbacks, they're just trying to find their footing in
day one. In day two, I will be very interested
to see there's a Canadian prospect here because Will Howard,
the Ohio State quarterback, took himself out of this because
we just finished college football.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
He's got to be tired, gotta.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
Be national champion. But there is a guy, Taylor ELGERSBA
and he is a graduate of Wilfred Laurier in Ontario, Canada.
He won the Heck Brighton Award, which is basically the
equivalent of the Canada's equivalent of the Heisman. Wow it finished.
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He had a lot of yards passing, but he was
two time player of the Year and one of the
few guys. But he's been working with an outfit called
QB Country and they have stations all they have actually
have won in Nashville, but it's some of the same
group of folks that run the Manning camp started this
whole deal. He's been down to Birmingham working at QB Country,
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getting himself ready for this pre draft process and certainly
this invite to the Senior Bowl. That's the same group
that trained both Drake May and bow Knicks into pre
draft process. But yeah, Taylor Elgersma is something that's going
to be interesting because he just you don't see guys
from Canada come to this thing at the quarterback position much.
And I think a lot of these guys, the evaluators,
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the scouts, a lot of them hadn't seen him because
he hasn't been to the Manning passing camps. He has
been taking a part of the Canadian Football League's Quarterback
Initiative and internship where you can actually a college player
can go and be in training camps in CFL training camps.
He's done that for the last three seasons for the
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Toronto Argonauts and for the Hamilton Tiger Cats. So he's
been around some pro type stuff and we'll see what
happens with him. But yeah, six six two fourteen, and
you know, if Jim Naggie tells you you can throw
it through a brick wall, he probably can. We'll see
about the touch and the accuracy. But yeah, that's that's
that's an interesting prospect.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Well.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
A name that we should know all of us is
Titan's head coach Brian Callahan. We should know that name.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
We had a chance to sit down and talk with
him here at the Senior Bowl and kind of the
kind of talk to him about a bunch of different things,
but one of the things that we started with was
his confidence level heading into his second season as a
head coach. Coach, you are no longer a rookie head coach,
you are now a seasoned head coach.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Feels good.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
See, does that make you feel a little bit more
confident not only in the role that you have going
into year two, but what you're looking for and how
you're evaluating.
Speaker 8 (23:22):
Absolutely, everything's everything is clearer. The vision is very clear.
What we need to do and how we need to
do is very clear. Things I need to improve on
are very clear. I just I feel so much more
comfortable in a job now than I did a year ago, which,
like anything, as we all grow with experience, but that's
not to say that the urgency isn't the same. You know,
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my urgency to get our team better and to improve
as high as it's ever been. And I'm excited about
the challenge. But yeah, I feel feel like I'm in
a good place right now.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Last year we heard a lot about like templates or
blueprints to Tennessee Titans, what that player looks like, get
a variety of positions. Following the twenty twenty four season,
did you tinker with those blueprints a little bit? No?
Speaker 3 (24:06):
Really, what we look for is pretty consistent.
Speaker 9 (24:08):
You know.
Speaker 8 (24:09):
The best way I can describe it is, you know,
if you look at, for example, like Pittsburgh Steelers outside linebacker,
they've looked the same for forty years, right right, There's
a there's a there's a profile and a process to
getting the players that fit what you're looking for, and
all that starts right here, which is which is great.
But our what we look for and why we look
for a certain characteristics hasn't changed much. It'll be interesting
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to see how you know, a lot of new personnel
people with with Ziggler and Reggie and Chad and Mike,
what that looks like and from them, But from a
coaching standpoint, You know, what we ask of them and
the players we look for is is pretty consistent, and
I think they see a lot of it the same.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
There's a lot of quarterback evaluation going on right now,
and you've talked a lot about that nervous system and
the reaction time. Is that something that you're able to
gauge and evaluate here at the Senior Bowl or do
you need those interviews that will come a little bit later.
Speaker 8 (25:00):
You need all of it, you know, you need every
part of the process. You need the Senior Bowl, you
need the combine. You need to see him throwing live,
you need to see him throw at their pro day.
You need to see them in your building on the
thirty visit. So there's there's a whole list of things
you sort of have to check off on your way
to making that decision. It's a long ways off at
this point. There's a lot of work to do on
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all these players, in particular the quarterbacks. But there's no
other way you can arrive at that conclusion until you've
sort of hit every part of the process to find
out about how they function and who they are as
a person.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
You mentioned Mike Worganzi and his staff. How much into
the weeds do you get in the evaluation process with
him or do you kind of let him do his
thing and kind of.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Get his team settled.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
It's both.
Speaker 8 (25:45):
I think they they have, you know, personnel sides always
focused on on the on the acquisition coaching, we still
have things that we start when we get back to
the office, our evaluation process. Then we sort of interject
into that process as it goes along. This is a
great time for me. It's my first exposure all these players.
But that's that's a whole. They definitely are more pushing
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forward on the personnel, whereas I have other things that
on the coaching side that I still have to work on.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
So it's good. It's a good mix and a good
marriage of it.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Speaking of personnel changes, you have some staffing changes on
the coaching side, adding John Fossil, better known as Bones,
to the special team.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Staff as a new coordinator.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
What was it about him that made him such a
valuable person to add to your staff.
Speaker 8 (26:31):
Well, he's one of the best special teams coaches in football.
Guys like him don't come available very often, and it
just so happened that whatever the situation was at his
previous employment, there was an opportunity to add him, and
we jumped on it, and we aggressively tried to go
after him, and he's done.
Speaker 9 (26:47):
He is.
Speaker 8 (26:48):
Wait till you guys get to know him. As the
best way I can say, he's he's got incredible energy,
He's a fantastic football coach. He's he's just one of
the best out there, both as a special teams coach
and then the injection of energy to the team and
connection with the team. He's phenomenal. And so I can't
wait for you guys to get a chance to meet Bones.
But I'm thrilled to have him. It's a huge gift
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for us.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Other guys that were added to the team, Tony Odin
was added as this passing game coordinator in quarterbacks coach
Renee Stewart as assistant special teams coach.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
What do those guys bring to their respective role.
Speaker 8 (27:20):
Yeah, well, Renee has been with Bones, They've they got
a relationship. Special teams coordinators and their assistants usually are
kind of like pairs, So like the line coaches and
assistant line coaches, they work really well together. It's a
very critical role for them. To be on the same page,
and so that was part of bones coming is that
we'd have an availability to bring Stu with them, and
I'm excited about that pairing.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
They work really well together.
Speaker 8 (27:43):
Tony Oden I was with in Detroit in twenty sixteen
and twenty seventeen, coached a fantastic secondary there with Darius Slay,
Caandre Diggs who was on that team, Glover Quinn. We
were really good in the secondary. Had a ton of
respect for him and again a guy that came available
due to change another organization, and so we acted aggressively
try to add him to but did a great job
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in New York. That secondary is fantastic, really really good
football coach and adding some more diversity of thought from
He's from a little bit different scheme in Denards, so
it'll be helpful for us.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Luke Stalker, who Titans fans remember as a tight end
player for the Titans, now promoted to the tight ends coach.
That's a really important position coach job to have. What
did you see in him in your time working together
that made you confident he'd be great in that role.
Speaker 8 (28:31):
The experience as a player is a part of it,
you know, He's one thing I appreciate about Luke is
he didn't he didn't skip any steps. You know, he
played for twelve years and came in and was an
internals first year, and then he was he'd drawn cards
and breaking down film and doing all the things that
a young coach would do. But I just see an
immense coaching talent. I think he's going to be really
good for a long time, and an opportunity to keep
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him here with us was important to me, And I'm
excited about what he'll bring from an experience standpoint as
a player and his knowledge as a young coach.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
All right after your time here in Mobile, how are
you going to bring all of this information back to
Nashville and ingest it all?
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Like what does that process even look like?
Speaker 8 (29:10):
It's the beginning, And so there's all these interviews in particular,
and watching the tape, I know our scouting staff will
will go into the draft room here sometime next week
and they'll be in there. You might not see him
for a month, you know. They just they go in
there and they go all day, sometimes seven days a week,
all over to the combine to make sure that we
get every exposure on the players. They watch multiple games
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on each player on the board, and that's a lot
of players, and so they're in there for a long time.
It's just the beginning part and then we hit the
combine and that's the next step. And so we just
said to hit all these checkpoints as we go. Their
job is much more demanding of compiling information than mine
because I have other things I have to do to
coaching wise. But I'm really excited about their process and
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how they do it, and it thinks gonna be really
good for us.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
How excited are you about just kicking off the twenty
five road to the draft. It's such an exciting time
for the Tennessee Titans.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (30:05):
Again, as I've said before, I don't really enjoy picking
first overall. I hope to not have to do it
ever again. But it is an opportunity and opportunity to
improve our team. And that's how the league works. If
you need players, they put you in position to get them.
You pick at the top of every round. You're gonna
have a chance to get good players at every turn.
And we got to add as many as possible. And
I love the draft process. I love the scouting process.
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That's why I'm here. You know, these are things that
I enjoy doing because I want to make sure we
get the right players and we need them. We need
the right players with the right makeup, Guys that love
playing football, the love winning football games, and as many
of those guys as we can get. That's how we guys,
what we got to find out, that's why we get
to go watch these guys and interview them. But I'm
really excited about the process and where we're headed.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Brian Callahan, thanks so much for the time.
Speaker 8 (30:46):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
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back to the OTP. We also had the opportunity to
talk with new general manager Mike Borganzi. He is here
and really starting to get in a groove kind of
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build chemistry with the new group of people that he
is going to be working with within the Titans personnel department.
So here's that conversation with Mike Burgonzi. Mike, you are
obviously not new to talent evaluation, but you are new
to the Tennessee Titans. When you are with a new organization,
does it color the lens that you are evaluating these
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guys through.
Speaker 9 (31:57):
This is a great opportunity from coming down here and
meet the staff of first time, so just to be
able to start those relationships with the with the scouts,
it's a great time to do that. This game has
always been an important part when we're in Kansas City
of evaluating guys. We've We've got a lot of guys
on our roster throughout Kansas City, so we know the
evaluation part here is you finally get to sit down
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and talk with some of these guys and see them
in person for the first time, right and then be
on the field to see them go through the competition.
So this is an important part of the process here
to start here in.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Mobile when you are getting to know your staff. I mean,
this is a real intensive in getting to know a
staff because you're here together for a couple of days,
you're on the road a lot. What are the first
things that you're trying to establish with your new team?
Speaker 9 (32:42):
Just relationships, who they are, where they came from. Some
of the guys I do know over the years, but
some of them are new to me. So that's the
most important part, I think, is building that relationship with
everybody you know, whether that's going out to dinner at
the East West with some of these guys and being
here with them and talking through them throughout practice. So
that's really the first step is really to get to
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know the staff and really to develop a relationship with them.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
When a team gets a new head coach, there's a
lot of talk about a new language, the play callings
a little bit, different things are labeled a different way.
Does the same thing happen in personnel? Is there a
new language that you guys are learning how to speak together.
Speaker 9 (33:18):
Yeah, it'll be a different process, a different grading scale. Listen,
at the end of the day, it's scouting football players,
So it's just really getting on the same page and
speaking that same language. But that's a process and we'll
go through that through through here where it starts. We'll
have meetings here in another week here and for seventeen
straight days, so that means that'll be new to the staff.
A lot of film watching, but I think that's the
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best way to learn the new language is to walk
through it, watch the film. It's a process. But like
I said, everything starts here right now.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Obviously you're creating relationships with your staff, but also with
Titan's head coach Brian Callahan and the time that you
guys have gotten to work together. I know you were
at the East West shrinebol now you're here. What have
you learned about him and maybe the way that you
guys are going to work together.
Speaker 9 (34:04):
First of all, great person and I've heard that over
the years that you know mutual people in the business
that has worked with him. Very smart, very detailed. I
see a lot of the same qualities I think in
me in him. So we kind of hit it off
right away. It's really just starting to develop the relationship part,
and that part has been great so far with Brian.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Let's talk a little bit of football.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Now, what are you able to gather here in Mobile
that you're maybe not able to get at any of
the other places throughout the pre draft process.
Speaker 9 (34:32):
Last night we went through the interviews, and tonight we'll
have more interviews. So it's the first time if you
haven't been into the school to really sit down and
talk with them, get to know them as people. If
there's any questions that we have for them that came
up in the past with them. It's an opportunity to
really just sit down and get to know the person.
So we'll go through the interview process. That's a very
important process, whether it's the All Star Games, the Combine,
(34:53):
and then of course being out on the field and
seeing them go through competition, and it's the best of
the best out there, So it's this is this is
an important time and this.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Really is the last time that you get to see
these guys go through real football Like this is the last.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Time that they're doing these things.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Does your evaluation mean a little bit more because they're
actually in a game like setting or practice like setting
as opposed to doing drills and things on air.
Speaker 9 (35:18):
The most important part is being on the football field
in pads. They'll go through the testing at the combine
and we'll gather that information. But for us, the most
important part is going to be watching practices, watching game film.
So we get a lot out of this game.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
How do you ingest all.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Of this information once you get back to Ascension Saint
Thomas Sports Park.
Speaker 9 (35:38):
As soon as we get back, we'll turn the film on.
Now we start to watch all the practices. We'll go
through the game and that's part of our college pre
draft meetings that we'll do. Not only will we watch
the game tape from the fall, but we'll turn on
this film here. We'll watch all the practices, the individual periods,
and then of course the game. So yeah, and it's
and it's great competition out here. That's that's the most important.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
A lot of work to do, but it's fun work, right.
Speaker 9 (36:02):
It's fun work. This is what we're in the business for.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Mike Woorganzi, thank you so much for taking the time
to talk to us.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Hey, Titans fans.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
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(36:32):
a winning play for you. They've been covering Tennesseeans for
nearly eighty years. Now back to the OTP. Well, guys,
we've got coaching staff additions. We've got all of the
things happening right now. We have a personnel group that
is down here trying to get their feed on the ground,
(36:52):
trying to figure out what's what. We've got all of
these players to evaluate. We've got a high draft pick
for the Tennessee Titans, and what that it's going to
look like. It feels as though there are so many
things going on for the Titans.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Mac.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
How does any group of people keep everything kind of
straight in their brains and how did they work between Okay,
we've had some coaching staff changes.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Okay, that's done.
Speaker 7 (37:17):
Now we move on.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Now we've got to evaluate these players. Okay, we've got that.
We've got to keep going. Free agencies just around the corner. Okay,
we got to worry about that.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
How do you keep it all straight.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
Well, I'll tell you exactly how. First of all, I'll
say Titans Radio is on top of all of it.
So if you want to know how you keep everything straight,
it's Titan Radio. You have a plan coming in, you know,
none of these groups just show up and just start
going off in all different directions. This is very well
planned out. It's very well organized. When you get down here,
(37:46):
who's going to look at, what meetings you're going to
have afterwards, what you're going to try together and glean
from the meetings, what specifically you want to talk about.
All of this stuff is planned out, and that's exactly now.
That's why it's so important to your point, for these
new additions to the Personnel Department and High Level Personnel
Department not only to get to know each other, but
(38:08):
for everybody else involved to get to be able to
know them and see, the League is a very linear calendar.
No matter how many changes you make, it doesn't stop.
There's no difference, it doesn't stop. So you have to
be able to slot in like a jingle puzzle immediately.
That's what their meetings were about coming down here.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
So tomorrow there will be another day of interviews. There
will be more practice to be had. There is more
to come at Tennessee Titans dot com, on all the
Titans social channels, on YouTube, and of course right here
on the OTP. So for coach mac Retbrian Ramon Foster,
I'm Amy Wells, thanking you for listening to the OTP
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