The OTP | Planning for Training Camp

Amie Wells is joined by Head Coach Brian Callahan to wrap up Titans offseason program and look ahead to training camp.

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Welcome to another edition of the OTP. I'm Amy Wells
and we are joined by Tennessee Titans head coach Brian Callahan. Coach,
We're so happy to have you here. It's a holiday weekend,
so there's a lot of time for relaxing and slowing down,
and we want to talk about all of that. But
first we've got to do some football stuff. Early, early, early,

(00:34):
early in the off season program, you established that competition
was the name of the game throughout the whole process.
What was it that you saw or noticed about the
twenty twenty four season that you felt like a little
more competition could solve that problem.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
I think there's probably more layers to it than that. Okay,
certainly after the season, from feedback from coaches and players
as we left, and obviously whatever whatever we did prior
wasn't quite good enough. And so how do you know
as a as a leader, you have to sit there

(01:11):
and you got to take a lot of different viewpoints
and criticisms, and you have to be open to that
because at the end of the day, it's going to
make make you better, it's going to make our team better,
it's going to make our process better. So there's a
lot of different things that that some coaches and players
and people had sort of gave me feedback on that
I reflected on for a long time, and it's how

(01:33):
do you take all this information and how do you
make it actionable? How do you how do you take
a comment here and an idea here and another idea
over here, and so how do you manage all those things?
So I spent a lot of time going back through
all the things that the conversations I had at the
end of the year with a lot of people, and
and I sort of came away with like three or
four main points of emphasis. One is how do we

(01:57):
win football games? That's that's the goal, right, how do
we better put ourselves in position to win in doing that?
When you're saying how do we win football games? Well,
how do we keep ourselves first and foremost from losing
football games? Because that's a huge part of NFL football
is that you can lose a game a whole lot
easier than you can win one. And so we went

(02:18):
through and looked at and as part of yourself scout
and all that, all the different things that we did
and where we can actionably improve the things that we
can control, right, what are what did we do in
games that don't doesn't have anything to do with talent,
doesn't anything do with scheme. What are the things that
we can very actionably be better at that we can

(02:40):
control on a regular basis, And then how do we
measure it and verify it? That's kind of the theme
of what you what I'm going to talk about ultimately,
And that was the first thing. How do you do that?
Then the second thing was, we need more connection on
our football team from top to bottom coaches and players.
Coaches and coaches, how do you how do you players

(03:01):
to players? How do you foster connection? I thought we
had okay connectivity on our team, but it just needed
it needs to be more, It needs to be better.
So how do we do that? And for pro athletes
generally speaking, the thing that they connect over the quickest
is competition. Yeah, and so how do you how do

(03:22):
you make something that they're going to that doesn't feel
like you know, Kitchie and in high schooling and stuff
like that, but still but still gets to the core
of what you're trying to accomplish, which is is to
ramp up the level of competition, which should also then
in turn ramp up the level of connection those are
that that was kind of the core of what I

(03:43):
was looking at over over the course of the leading
up to the off season program is that how do
we do those things? How do we win football games?
How do we take take command of the things that
we can control, and then how do we connect our
football team better? And a lot of that is going
to be through competitive drills, competitive practices, competitive games for

(04:04):
lack of a better term. And it really sort of occurred.
I had a Peyton McCollum, who's who's our assistant wide
receivers coach. He had came to me and said, look,
there's here's something you should here's the thought. And I
take thoughts and ideas from everybody, and and he said,
there's this. You know, there's a there's a coach that

(04:26):
that I've kind of gotten familiar with over the years.
Who's a guy named Anson Anson Durants who's the head
women's soccer coach in North Carolina. He's written now multiple
books and you know they've been North Carolina women's soccer
has been one of the highest they're one of the
best programs in sports. And he was like, you should

(04:47):
just breath this. It's pretty interesting on how they structure
practice and how they compete, and so I kind of
dove down this rabbit hole of all the things they
did there and it's super fascinating. They do an unbelievable job.
And then I come to find a lot of it
can from Dean Smith, who was obviously legendary coach for
North Carolina men's basketball, and how they charted and uh

(05:10):
tracked practice. Uh So there's there's a whole and act
kind of like that's really fascinating. Well, how do I
how do we do something? Here's all the things I
want to do, here's some ideas, and how do you
meld them together? That's sort of how the whole thing
was born. And it was again a lot of thought
and effort and time and energy put into it. But

(05:31):
that's how we divided our That's the first step was
dividing the locker room back into into not just by
position groups, so we weren't siloed in the positions, because
that's where we spend all our time is with our position.
So I mixed the whole locker room up, and then
I said, well, let's mix the whole team up and
So the idea was this, we come up with these
eight different teams they have captains, and now you have

(05:55):
eight captains, and then you have a bunch of guys
that are competing for something other than just an offensive
defensive win. You know, in practice, so an offensive player
might get a point for a touchdown, but he also
might have a defensive player on his team that he's
playing against that has a negative because he just had
bad leverage and he gave up the touchdown. And so

(06:16):
there's this sort of points back and forth that really
the guys as it went on, they really bought into
and the competition amongst the players that wasn't just offense
and defense. That was truly about they wanted their team
to win. And so we again points, we points are
assigned for a million different things. But the idea was

(06:38):
is how do we how do we connect more through that?
And I think it was a really cool offseason program. Again,
the players will probably tell you their perspective on it,
but for me, it felt like the intent of what
we wanted to do we got out of it. And
that's that's encouraging and exciting for me as a head coach.
I think for our football team is that we found
a way to get all of those things kind of

(07:00):
packed into a very short amount of time, and I
think we got value from it and we're better for
it because of the of how we went about our business.
So I know that's a kind of a long roundabout
way of talking about the whole process, but I think
it's important to have the context in the background of
where it came from and why we're doing it. And

(07:20):
at the end, the one of the first videos I
showed the team and the team meeting was a video
from Steve Kerr from the Quarter Gold documentary, which is
really fantastic about all these other, you know, the other
basketball teams for the Olympics, and Steve cur said he'd
been around a bunch of winning, He's won a lot,
he's you know, first and foremost good players. That's part
of it, he goes, but there's two things that matter most,
and what wins its joy and its competition. And then

(07:42):
the third part is it's the joy in the success
of others. And that sort of was like, that makes
sense to me, And I think that's what we got
out of our off season program, is that was those
quite a bit of joy and a whole lot of competition,
and I think we're better for it.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
It's interesting because conventional wisdom would say there's a five
in line when instilling competition in something where you want
guys to compete, but not compete to the level where
you then fracture a locker room like you go too far.
But it seems like throughout this whole off season you've
done a really good job of minding that line and

(08:17):
getting peak performance and peak competition. So you're right at
the top of that curve.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah, anytime now there's when you're competing for something there
you're always risking that that you're tipping over the edge
right where it goes a little bit too too far.
We haven't had that issue, I think partly because it's
not it's not just a offense defense competition that there's

(08:43):
that there's more involved in it, and there's more things
that they're competing for with their team of guys as
opposed to our side of the ball. Because then you
do sides of the ball sometimes and it just becomes
it becomes almost irritating and personal. Is that they just
they just want to beat the hell out of each other,
you know what I mean? Right, This wasn't that This

(09:03):
wasn't that style of competition necessarily. It was more about
the connecting and the building up of the players and
the building of the relationships with guys maybe they hadn't
been around a lot previously, and I think that's what
kept it from being more than what we were looking for.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
So in your first year, you build a foundation to
your football team what it's going to be. In your
second year, you're adding this layer of connecting, of competition
and kind of establishing that this is going to be
the expectation going forward, that we handle ourselves in this way.
What are you hoping that that creates in your team
as you go through training camp and beyond through the season.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
At the end of the day, you're trying to create
You're trying to create your culture of what you want
your team and you're building to look like and act
like to the point where what you hope happens is
you get to you get to a spot where you
bring somebody in and they do something that isn't, you know,
kind of in line with how we operate, and people go,
you know, we don't do that here, you know what

(10:10):
I mean, that's not how were that's not how we
do business here. That's what you're trying to get to,
is you're trying to get to something that's so ingrained
in the locker room in the building that that's what's expected,
that's your that that is what your standard is. Now,
we got to go earn our standard. You know, you don't.
You don't just get to say what your standard is.
You have to earn it right, and and you earn

(10:30):
that through At the end of the day, you your
culture and your standards and your expectations are are ultimately
built through winning, because that's what we're all trying to
get done is win football games. But there's a whole
other part of that that as you as you win
and you build through the culture, through the things that
you're emphasizing and expecting, you hope that that's ultimately what

(10:51):
takes hold and then it becomes who you are, It
becomes what your organization is, your football team is that
when you walk in that locker room, there's no there's
no confusion on what's expected and what works for us here.
And if you're not a part of that, if you
don't buy into that, then you won't be here.

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of the Tennessee Titans. Now back to the OTP. This
team looks very different in twenty twenty five than it
did in twenty twenty four. A lot of new faces.
This roster has just experienced a lot of change. So
I'm going to make some sweeping generalizations about this team

(11:55):
and you can let me know if I am heading
down the right path here. The first one is that
one of the main characteristics you guys were looking for
in free agent acquisitions over the twenty twenty twenty five
offseason was durability. Is that correct?

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah, it's it's hard to It's hard to go out
and pay players that you don't know if they're going
to play seventeen games for you, because you're at the
end of the day. It's, you know, you to take
a step back from the personal side that you look
at the business part of it. It's you know, it's
you're you're making an investment in in a player, and

(12:33):
you're making investment in in performance. And it's hard to
perform if you can't play. And when you're when you're
investing money and you're spending the money of the organization
to upgrade your football team, you look at how does
this how does this player impact our team? And when
they're healthy, they are impactful. But you know this player
acts only played forty of his games and player be

(13:00):
as played ninety and so you're you're essentially betting on
the durability and that they're going to be there to
help us longer more often than you know another play
that maybe isn't that's not part of their strengths. And
so we invested heavily in availability. You know, guys that
have been available and performed at a high level over time,

(13:23):
and you want as many of those guys as possible
because there's also a mental toughness and a character, a
defined character to guys that are available, if that makes sense,
Because it's hard, it's very hard. It's hard to play
that many snaps over your course of your career because

(13:43):
it's a physical it hurts these guys. But there's part
of there's part of what drives these guys to continue
to suit up on Sundays. And you want as many
guys like that as you can find.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
All Right, another broad generalization, but this rookie class is
one of the most sure groups of rookie football players
that has ever existed.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
It's a really impressive class when it comes to professionalism, maturity,
those things. It's they've they check all of those boxes.
That was intentional, I know. I know Mike was very
adamant about it. The same with Chad and even for me,
I like him back at some point in the draft
process to really what turned you know, you just your

(14:27):
your product of your experiences. And so a lot of
my experiences with building of a team was through Cincinnati
when I was there, and I thought about the draft
class that sort of flipped our football team, and it
was our twenty twenty draft class, and that was it
was Joe Burrow and T Higgins and Logan Wilson and
Keem Davis gaither those guys that were I think of

(14:49):
that draft class. I think seven of the eight picks
were captains. They were super high level character players. They
became the foundation. That draft class and that free agency
class that we signed that year became the foundation of
of what was back to back AFC championship games and
a lot of success over two seasons. Mike had similar

(15:10):
experiences in Kansas City. And so when you when you
go when you and you were very intentional about the
character you're drafting, and you do all the work and
making sure that these are the kind of guys that
love playing football, that are intelligent football players, that have people.
When you draft a player and everybody you talk to
at the school says, this is this is the guy,

(15:31):
this is this is and maybe it's not their best player,
but it's like that's the guy. Like that's the guy
that's going to succeed. And so you you bet on
those characteristics that that's going to allow them to succeed. Uh.
And what is ultimately very challenging and difficult profession to
succeed in. And that the class in and of itself
has been fantastic when it comes to those things, But

(15:51):
it was all very intentional. We we sought out those
characteristics and players, and we drafted guys that fit that
profile for us, and uh, it has certainly paid off.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
We've made it this far without saying the name cam Ward,
which feels pretty impressive.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Just for us.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
So this feels like the appropriate time to ask what
has surprised you the most about cam warden the time
that you've been.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Able to work with him? Nothing?

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Really, he is as advertised.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah, nothing is surprised me. Because the more when we
went back to the beginning and we start watching this tape,
I would say that we were probably we were probably
pretty early on the process because we knew we were
picking first, so we kind of jumped into that maybe
a little more in depth than some teams would have
at the moment. And the more you watched him, you're like, man,
I think this guy's got real talent. And what matters

(16:43):
most in playing quarterback in the NFL, though, is the
rest of it?

Speaker 1 (16:46):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
There's plenty of guys that got talent, it's just the
rest of it. How do they process, what's their ability
to relate with their teammates, how do they lead? What's
the toughness like all the other things? Is what really
matters in quarterback play, and at every point that we
met with Cam, we learned more and more about him
as a person. And the more people you talk to

(17:08):
you learn about him as a player. In the locker
room and everything that we heard and all of our
own experiences, and once we got him here, everything was
exactly as advertised when it came to those things. And
that's what I mean by like nothing has surprised me,

(17:29):
because he's incredibly focused. He loves playing football. He only
cares about playing football at a high level. He works,
his work ethic is off the charts, and then his
ability to connect and relate to his teammates. He's got
an easy way about him, but he is He's also

(17:49):
highly competitive, hates to lose in anything he does. So
all these things are all things we knew about him
in the process, and then once he got here, as
you get to know him better, it's all real. That's
who he is. And so that's why nothing about Cam
has surprised me, because I feel like we had a
pretty good idea of who he was, and then he's

(18:11):
shown that to be accurate.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Throughout the offseason. But specifically, I think it was the
most pronounced during the mandatory mini camp. You could tell
that cam Ward was going to do cam Ward things,
and the defense as a whole collectively was determined to
remind everybody that he is still a rookie. Yeah, do
you like that? I know you're an offensive guy, and

(18:33):
I know you're a quarterback guy, but is that what
you want to see on your defense?

Speaker 2 (18:38):
That?

Speaker 1 (18:38):
All right? Cool, we appreciate your eighteen in a row completions.
We're coming for you now.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah. That's what he needs, That's what our team needs.
And I think the mark of a good football team
is when you do have You do have back and forth.
You have offense has good days, defense has good days.
Defense makes plays. Offense makes plays because you're competitive. Uh,
if the defense is consistently beating you drill the drill

(19:04):
day to day, that probably means you're not very good
on offense and vice versa. And so that competitiveness and
back and forth, I think is is great. And at
the end of the day, all the defensive players want
to know is is this a guy that we can
count on? And is this a guy that's gonna gonna
do what we think he can do? And they're testing him.

(19:26):
They want to find out because I think the ultimate
mark for pro football players is it doesn't really matter
where you come from, doesn't really matter what what anybody
else thinks of you when you walk in the locker room.
The players in the locker room want to know can
you help us win? And that is ultimately what they're
trying to find out. And that's why they they test
and they poke, and they prod and they and and
they don't care. They're not They're they're not trying, No,

(19:49):
They're just they're just trying to find out if this
guy's for real. And that goes the same way for
for for Elk and Strepo and Chim and all these
young players. They're just trying to find out are you
Are you going to be able to help us? And
they're going to find out are you made of the
right stuff? Do we think as veteran players and older

(20:10):
players or defensive players that all these young players are
able to help? And they go through their own process
of finding out. And that's really what you saw sort
of in real time, is that they're trying to find
out if these guys are up to the task.

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to the OTP. Is that why it was so important
to do as many joint practices with other teams as
you could to get that experience, to get that adversity.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yeah, that's exactly what you hope for. And it's good
because you get tired of playing against the same scheme.
You know, we've played all spring against an Arnge defense,
and he's played all spring against us, and you get
tired of just the day to day back and forth,
and it's like, you just want to go play something different.
You want to play different players with a different color
jersey on and a different scheme and then see where

(21:27):
you stack up. And I think I got a lot
of respect for Todd Bowles and what he's done in
Tampa and the defense style that they play there and
how well they've been able to build that offense, and
they've went through a couple of different iterations because obviously
Tom was there Brady and they had some success and
had some They've had success with Baker. I just think
they do such a great job and so to go
compete against a team like that is something I'm very

(21:49):
much looking forward to. And then you know, Atlanta's got
a ton of young talent, they got a young team
or Hem Morse is I think a really fantastic football
coach and so it's a and does things the right way,
and so you want to go practice against people like that,
and I'm excited for it. I think it's going to
be great for our football team as as a as
a barometer for us to see where we're where we're at.

(22:11):
It's going to help us get ready for September. And
it's also going to be hard. It's going to be hot, uh,
and we're on the road and we're not coming home,
and that's going to be a whole part of the process.
It's all very intentional, but that's why we do it.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
How do you turn this you, I guess You've been
working so hard to infuse as much competition in every
situation that you can for months. Now, how do you
turn that off for these next four weeks.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
I hope we don't. I hope. I mean, I'll everyone
want to take a step back because it's been it's
been a really good, hard offseason. It's been great. Guys
have bought in. I'm appreciative of their effort. I'm appreciative
their attendance, their their intensity, all those things. And so
it's an eight week program, and and now we got,
you know, roughly five ish weeks before we go back
for the real thing here the end of July. The

(23:05):
the idea is that this really isn't a vacation, it's
a break, and they should take a little bit of
time because they've they've earned that. But you know, fourth
of July weekend, a little bit after that, we should
we should be ramping back up, and guys should be
ready to come report in shape, you know, not losing
any of the things that we accomplished over this offseason

(23:27):
program and being able to hit the ground running right
back at it when we come back, when we come
back at the end of the month. So that's The
idea is that this this really isn't it's a break,
but it's not a vacation. You know, this isn't like
end of the season where you just like go away
and unplugs. I will unplug, I'll rest and I'll but
my mind is always on what's coming. When you get
to this point and you rest.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
If you don't unplug, though, how how do you slow
it down?

Speaker 2 (23:53):
You have to miss You have to try hard.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
If you're trying to rest, are you resting?

Speaker 2 (24:00):
No? No, not really No. I try to take a
little bit of time and just kind of step back.
But you know, I get to I get to get
to the fourth of July, and it's kind of like
you can just feel it coming and and and and
my mind gets is sort of always on it from
that point on. So I try to take a little
bit of time, but it's it's to me, it's already
it's here, so it's in it now.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah, do you physically have to go to a different
place or can you just go home or be in
Nashville and still like feel like you're stepping away.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
I try to go I try to get away a
little bit, but really where being my kids are in
some camps this summer that that they that they wanted
to be in and so we're just kind of hanging
around here, which actually for me is one of the
usually I like take off for the summer and we
go family and all that stuff. It helps it. You know,
my mom and dad are here, which is nice. Yeah,
but we don't we aren't going to do a lot

(24:51):
this summer, and I'm kind of hopeful that that that
does help a little bit where it's just you're not
kind of on the go for a couple of weeks.
I'm just here. I'm at my house, I with my
kids and and just hanging out and join Nashville a
little bit. And that's we'll see if that helps. But
then I'll take a little bit of time and I'll
go see my in laws and my wife's family. They
have a place up in Lake Georgia, New York. So

(25:12):
little lake life. Yeah, go jump on a boat and
puts around, and that's sort of that's sort of like
my one escape that I usually take.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
So your parents are here, your dad's on your staff.
Do you guys, are you able to have conversations and
not talk about work? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Not for ver long.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Okay, there it is. Yeah, not for.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Very long, but yeah we can. Yeah, and a lot
of it's usually centered around the kids and I'm brothers
and sisters and all that stuff, but yeah we can.
We can do it for a little bit, but inevitably
it always kind of like leans right.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
Back into the years into it. Well, I mean because
even when you're like close friends with co workers, when
you get together socially, you usually end up talking about
work anyway, always, and so I would imagine that it's
the same thing. You're at a family barbecue. You you're
all grilling, but you're also kind of talking about work.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah, that's pretty much how it good. Yeah, it's not.
It's no. And when you're in this profession too, like
it's it's just sort of all you ever think about.
You know, there's not a whole lot of like I'm
just going to leave this away for a while, Like
it just doesn't work that way.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yeah. Yeah, there's not a lot of not a lot
of separation, but still some time to relax, some time
to rest. And then everybody comes back for training camp
and we get this thing going. What is your number
one goal or priority for the first week or two
of training camp.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
The first week or two. The first week or two
has changed so much because you've got to go through
this acclamation period and so there's there's limits on we
won't even put pads on until we've been practicing for
almost seven days eight days. So you just sort of
you're more focused on ramping back into football. And and
what I mean by that is even OTAs isn't it's football,

(27:04):
but it's not. You're ramping into like padded practice and
real physical, hard football. And that's the ideas. You're trying
to get to that point. And then once you hit
that point, the process, the intent is to be hard.
You want you have to do hard things. I mean,
that's part of it. Like you're trying to manage your
team and your roster so you're healthy for seventeen games

(27:25):
and you're and you got to load manage some guys
through training camp. But the idea is that the way
that our practices are scheduled is we come off our
off days. We have a jog through day, which is
sort of like a primer to get back into it
after an off day. It's not as intense, it's a
little more mental. We're just moving around a little bit,
and then we have two back to back days and
pads and that's sort of our four day block works.

(27:47):
It's off day jog through two days and pads with
the intent of when we hit those two days and pads,
those are long, hard physical practices and the expectation is
that we are at full hill for two straight days
and then we break and then we start to cycle
over again. Yeah, and it gets you hardened and ready
for the football season, but it also manages the load

(28:10):
to the point where you're you're not losing guys hopefully
too often to injury, and you're managing that process the
smart and scientific way, which is what we do. But like,
you need football pads on your body and you need
to play football, and that's that's training camp, and it
should be hard, and it should you should be sore
and you should feel tired because you're trying to harden
your team and you're trying to toughen your team for

(28:31):
what's to come, which the regular season is is a
grind and it's it's hard, and so you're trying to
get yourself ready for that.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
But it seems like that cadence very similarly mirrors the
cadence of the regular season where you have some down days,
but you have some really really hard days, including Sunday.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Yeah, and that's that's the idea, is that it should
we the rhythm should mirror it to some degree because
really you look at a jog through day sort of
like our Wednesday practice and then our Thursday practices and pads.
This is during the season, Thursday practice and pads. It
should be long, it should be hard, and then Friday
sort of back it back down again. So it's kind
of like this, there's these undulations in effort and intensity,

(29:11):
and that's scientifically the way that you should be doing.
It shouldn't be this like max velocity for days at
a time. There should be it should be ebbs and flows.
And so that's the intent of it is that there's
this idea of bursts of effort and back downs and
bursts of effort and back downs, and that's how training

(29:31):
camp schedule that it mirrors how we schedule our regular
season weeks. And then again you max out on Sunday, Coach.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
That's for sure the first time the word undulation has
ever been said on this podcast, and we've had we've
had this podcast for seven years, so that's pretty impressive.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Well, I'll take the win.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah, we've gotten a lot of words on this podcast.
That's the first one for Undulation. Good coach Callahan. We
so appreciate the time. We hope you get some time
to relax and sort of unplug. Yeah, and then we'll
see you again and train here. I can't wait for
Brian Callahan. I'm Amy Wells and this has been the
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