Episode 1253: 08/10/25 - Livestream - The JQ in Historical Context w/ Thomas777

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, everyone looks like I got a guest with me today.
What's up? Thomas? Hey?

Speaker 2 (00:07):
How are you man?

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Doing good? Doing good?

Speaker 3 (00:11):
Just logged down and waiting for everybody to uh catch
up here?

Speaker 1 (00:17):
How's your how's your Sunday gone?

Speaker 2 (00:19):
It's going fine?

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (00:21):
I realize that kind of a bought on Sunday. I
kind of go into repose, you know, So don't take
a person.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
That's fine, no problem. Are we watching a movie tonight?

Speaker 2 (00:32):
I'll see what I feel depending on how long this goes.
How's that. I don't mean to be flaky, but I'm okay, yeah,
no problem. My level's gonna dirty. But we'll go as
long as you watch on the stream.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Sure, okay, cool. So I wanted to have you on
today to this whole occupation regime that we've been that
we've been suffering. There's a lot of people who, once they.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
Discover, you know, things like the JQ and things like that,
they they believe that everyone that the world is basically
fallen to it, and that it controls everyone, and to
the point where they don't think that an independent like country,

(01:27):
a country could actually have a Jewish population and organized
Jewish population and not be controlled by them, So I guess,
you know, first this came up, this just a whole
Russia thing yesterday because apparently Putin is Putin has been

(01:52):
called habodnik.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
How without even addressing the Russian thing, because I think
it's stupid the idea that a country cannot have an
organized Jewish population and still be a country that isn't
run by them.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
How does that in your head? How does that work? Well?

Speaker 2 (02:19):
The problem is that lay people. I don't like that terminology,
but I can't think of a better way to characterize it.
They don't understand politics, and they don't understand historical processes,
and they don't understand the anthropological aspects of these things.
It's like these guys who, you know what. I don't

(02:41):
know to be too hard on Alex Jones, because I
think in some ways he does good things. And I'd
rather I've got to wonder to convincing normies of anything.
But I'd way rather people can consume that kind of stuff
than say, like Fox News. But even like a bunch
of Alex Jones fanboys, they'll claim stuff like the Cold
War or with some sort of allegerate main. I mean,

(03:02):
that's just not how a human society at scale worse,
and that's not how humans interface with technology. You know,
you don't you know, you know, you don't kill off
one hundreds of thousands of people, like pretending to wage
proxy wars against the Soviet Union, and you don't. You
don't devise weapons platforms that cost billions and billions of

(03:26):
dollars at the end of the day, that deploy to
orbital space and can wipe out entire cities so that
you can pretend that you're fighting some sort of ideological
conflict to fool people. I mean, if you think that,
you're a complete idiot. But I mean more people think
that way than you might suspect, because the variables are

(03:49):
too complex, or they're too nuanced, or there's an intuition
required to kind of perceive these things that's just beyond them.
So their view is that the world's organized like their
workplace or something, where intercende rivalries don't compromise the core

(04:11):
mission of the firm or something, and ordinary people just
subject to these designs of more powerful people. It's like
a symbolance character the way things really are. And I
think when people think about desionism, their idea such that
they can perceive it at all, is that Jews are

(04:34):
bad guys or they're like rich guys who are some
sort of Machiavelian global elite who just control everything like
some sort of like some sort of majority shareholder population
and a big company, you know. And like I said,
it's a case of people not understanding of human population

(04:57):
is interact and how conceptual horizons of respective populations collide,
and how even people who don't necessarily have personal enmity
towards one another or some sort of horrible cultural clash,
and how they live among each other. Sometimes the existence

(05:20):
of one has a deleterious effect on the way of
life that they're tofore dominant culture, and that leads to violence.
I mean, honestly, there's that aspect in post Soviet Russia
between Slavs and Jews. I don't think those Slavs hate
Jews or vice versa. I think they look down on

(05:40):
each other, okay, but they don't look at each other
the way, you know, like white folks and blacks did
during like the worst days that like the sixties and
early nineties, And they don't look at each other the
way like Palestinians and Israeli's new You know, people who
think that like politics has to do with like people
you personally don't like, Like that has nothing to do

(06:03):
with it either, you know. But there's the same people
too think that, like the grand question is, like there's
too many Mexicans and I don't want to live by
black people, like neither one of which is a political problem.
There's political actions that both of those things, but those
are social problems. You know. This is exactly why you're

(06:26):
an idiot if you pretend that, like people voting somehow
dictates the course of actual event to the disposition of elites,
Like even if there was some ethical characteristic to mass enfranchisement,
which there isn't, but even if there was, these people
can't understand the subject matter, So what it would be

(06:50):
like it'd be like consulting people who can't do math
on how to like design and build a bridge that
will be able to bear a load or something.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
You know.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
It's that kind of stuff. And people, particularly people born
after the Cold War. I'm not transfing young people at all.
I don't do that, and I think young people with
scale actually a lot of insights older people don't. But
I think people unless they unless they have been like
insinuating to the culture, or they're kind of part of
the minority. It's a growing minority, but it's still the

(07:23):
minority of people who like travel a lot and like
spend time in the oldest block. They don't understand the Russians,
Like they just don't. They think like Russia is like
the EU, but they're just kind of different. Or they
got this idea that Russians are these kinds of malicious,
bad guys, but they don't understand that there's a really
tragic and really dysfunctional relationship between the Jews and the

(07:47):
majority there, you know, like sold the needs. They wrote
an entire book on that. This characterized the Soviet Union
for seven years. They literally went to war with Israel.
You know, the a catalyzing moment, one of the major
plane hijackings, one of the few were successful direct the

(08:08):
action team was able to liberate the aircraft without killing
all the hostages. It was an early success at GSG nine.
They were like the Bundesfaer like counter terrorism unit. It
was not surprising that the crowds did this well.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Okay, but.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Flight Leuftan's a flight one eighty one. It was hijacked
by the Popular Front Floration of Palestine in general command.
They're the same guy as he blew up the discotheque
in West Berlin. But interestingly, and people would know this,
it was like three men and a woman who were
the hijacked team. And that was the first time anybody

(08:47):
ever wore like a shade rivera visage on their shirt,
like the PFLP did that because they were saying that, like,
you know, Palestine's the front line of the struggle against
you know, capitalism, you know, and like the Jews of
these are oppress or standard bearers of of you know, America,
you know. And uh, incidentally, that's why guys like Horseta

(09:09):
Mahler and other like national Socialist Partisans, you know, we're
involved with like the Royth Army for action and things.
But it was understood during the Cold War, like the
mortal enemies of Israel are the East Block. Okay, I
mean this one without saying everybody understood that there, you know, basically,

(09:33):
like the main enemy of Jewry and political terms is Russia.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
It was without saying, you know, and that that didn't
go away after the Cold War and the Ukraine War.
I the enemies of the Russian Federation, which me bit
to do that anyway, Like NATO was looking for another
make Ork deployment, but it was mainly returned the serve

(10:00):
because the Russian Federation deployed to Syria and and routed
the Israelis. You know, Russia's allied with his Blah. They
were allied with a sad they sold out a sod
that the Russians do. But I don't really, I don't
really understand how unless you're a complete idiot, like you

(10:21):
couldn't notice that, you know, and so to you like
Putin was just kidding when the parts of the Russian
Federation deployed, you know, basically to provide combined arms or
Hesblah and the Syrian Arab army against the IDEF and
their allies. And then this guy who's like randomly, this

(10:41):
Jewish zigon Is somehow gets installed in Ukraine and then
suddenly there's like this massive escalation. That's just a coincidence.
But like Putin actually loves Israel and their friends. I mean,
I that's so stupid. I'm not gonna entertain it, Okay,
I mean it's I don't argue with people like that.
The Semons. Don't argue with people who tell me that
like the when landing was fake or that like nine

(11:01):
to elevee was fake. I mean, you're you're I mean
you're you're you're you're mentally retarded if you think that way.
But yeah, nad, I mean that's why. But it's the
same reason people, I mean, I don't really try my
aps say because like generally I don't respect them, Like
the only ops I respected in my life, like we're

(11:23):
all dead by now, like the ones that it's just now,
like just don't cut it. But like these internet I get,
I get like hate ship all the time and like
generally don't read it, but occasionally they do, and like
I think, I don't know exactly what they were talking about.
And I'm not trying to personalize this, but like it's
it's illustrated. Like uh, it's like Artie Chick. I don't

(11:46):
want to Hyde Park. She's like the Jewish broad. I mean,
she she's cool. She's a friend of mine, you know,
like sometimes we go off for drinks or something, and
I'm you know, uh, she knows some of the same
people that do we reachate Chicago, but you know, she
like pulled up some selfies with me, which is fine.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
You know.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
I like it when girls want to take photos of
me and people are like, you're a phony because you
like don't hate Jews. I'm like, well, why would I
hate Jews? Around like hating people? Like what what does
that even mean?

Speaker 1 (12:14):
You know?

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Like I I walk around, I'm like, it's hack mode,
and I'm like, this person's my enemy, and political terms,
I'm gonna go either house or like murder them, like, I.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
Mean what, well, it also it's you becoming them. I mean,
they have a genuine hatred of people who they consider
to be their enemies.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
And it's also insane. I mean, for the record, this
chicks like anti Zionist. That's only way in common, you know,
but like it's I mean, obviously okay, otherwise why would
she associate with me? But but the point is, like,
you know, it's that you feel like a rational person.
I mean, sitting around hating people's unmanly anyway, It's not

(13:00):
that's not what a rational men do. It's unerryan, it's unchristian.
But it's also now politics are about, you know, I mean,
God forbid, uh, God forbid. If some sort of early
nineties or like nineteen sixty eight situation jumped off here
and like black folks were gutting for me for the

(13:22):
color of my skin. I would not hesitate to like
walk and low and throw shots they have them to
defend myself. That doesn't mean like I hate the black guys.
I know, like again, like why why wasn't one thing
going to do with the other? You know, does that
mean that your country goes to war, You're only gonna
answer the call if like you personally hate the people
down range of your field of fire. That's only like

(13:46):
little girls think about stuff.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
It also takes away from the historic respect of one's enemy,
that too.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yeah yeah, well yeah, it's not personal. I mean, I
get a. I mean, it's for better or worse, the
natural state of the of this world is conflict. Conflicts endemic.
I mean, like I'm like saying, I mean, general warfare

(14:17):
at scale is rare, but conflict is endemic. And I
mean that's it's literally authored into every aspect of sociological existence.
And it wouldn't make any sense to be upset about that.
I mean, the kinds of people who can't accept reality
are these kinds of ridiculous. You know, Uh, progressive types

(14:43):
you thankfully are mostly gonna die off with the elder generation.
But they're the only people who think it's incorrect that
the world is this way, and we've got social engineer
that away. You know, you're you're claim to be right winging,
but your whobole kink is like I hate X, Y,
and Z people and that's what informs my politics, is

(15:04):
like I just hate people like this, you know, like
I said, that's not the way, that's not the way.
That's unmanly and aside from the fact it's got nothing
to do with existential realities.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
Well, here's a question, and I'll as somebody who maybe
may be Catholic but also has a pretty good education
in Calvinist theology. So hate is always irrational. God made
a mistake by providing that particular emotion. God provided everything,
and some things are a sin.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Yeah, So that's like saying that, like God approves of
rape because like men rape women at war, you know,
or like that's not you know what I'm saying Christianity,
If that's the way you think about it. Yeah, if
there was no sin, there'd be like no point to
human what if and there, there'll also be no piety
and there'd be no cele asian.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
So one of the things I wanted to say about
Russia was I have a friend he's been on the
show a couple of times, Ferris Modad. He's he's from
Lebanon originally, he lives in Britain, in England now. And
something he said about Putin was Putin can accept the
fact that there are people in his country that are

(16:22):
talking about communism. People can accept the Putin can accept
the fact that there are people in his country even
talking about fascism, but Putin cannot accept that there is
anyone promoting liberalism in his country.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
He goes when.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Putin, when people start to promote liberalism, which is probably
the most derascinating and chaos inducing system, he has to
put that person down.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
He has to be yeah, what's also people don't understand there,
like the Russians are anti high Nazi, so they must
like Zionism or like liberals.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
It's like, do you realize these people lost one in
six of their population in four years, so twenty five
million of them went down fighting the German Reich, and
they supposed to be like, yeah, we we love Nazism.
It's like you fucking retarded. I mean like what, like
how else? Why? Why?

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Why?

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Why? Why the actual fuck would the Russians like national
socialism or think they're like that's cool, Like that's there.
It makes perfect sense the Ivans to hold out the
German Reich as they're like ultimate like tolluric evil. That
makes perfect sense. Like what else would they how else
do they conceptualize it? You know, but it's it's not

(17:42):
it's not that. It's not there were Russians who built
Holocaust music, you knows, it's not that Russians do. When
the Russians conquered the the Eastern occupation zone, they encouraged
the natural Volkes Army to preserve the traditions of the Wehrmacht.
They said, we're not We're not. We're not gonna build
them a more old jewelry. We we lost twenty million

(18:02):
people fighting the fascists. We're the victims of fascism. You know,
they went to war with Israel. You know, you can't
pull that card that, you know, stupid on purpose card
that because the Russians don't they don't like the German
Reich and they don't appreciate it when he's like confused

(18:27):
white inn words in Ukraine like pretend that they're Nazis
by like fighting for greater Judea. You know, the fact
that the Russians don't appreciate that doesn't like make them
a bunch of like anti fascist liberals. But again, I mean,
some people are too stupid to be alive, and the
people propose those things constitute that class.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
I think people see that Putin would go out of
his way to protect the Jewish population in his country,
which is also something that Asad did, which is also
which is also something that Iran does right now.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
So I guess if you do that.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
To some people, that means that you have to you're
bowing down to them they somehow control you. It just
doesn't make it doesn't make any sense. It only makes
sense if you've bought into these people can control or
in control of everything.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Well, It's like I said, that's why that's why most
most normies like shouldn't try and understand these things, because
apparently they're not capable. I also think that most people, like,
for better or worse, I kind of a weird upbring
because again, you know, like my mom was a rich
kid from La My dad was like this third port

(19:50):
Oki who wounded up becoming very successful. But I'm kind
of like as a red Niggagh person who grew up
in Chicago, and specifically I grew up in like a
very Jewish hood. Okay, I was like around these people
my whole life. I'm like still around them. Like that
doesn't mean I have like any grand insight. But when
there's guys from like the middle of nowhere or from

(20:11):
like mall of America geography and nowhere places, they developed
this kind of like weird idea of like Jews that's
like no basis in reality. You know. This goes for
like the megatures retards who think Jews are like these
like Viking super rians who like love democracy or whatever.
And it goes to these guys who think that they're
like these like super being bad guys control everything, like

(20:35):
they don't understand them as a people. I think that
I do. I think frankly, that's part of it, you know.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
Yeah, I was talking to doctor Johnson the other day,
Matthew R. F Al Johnson and him just like I
mean that part of Jersey he grew up in was
Jewish and Italian.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
Same people.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
Yeah, yeah, and he and he says, he says this,
He goes, when I'm talking about jewelry, I'm not talking
about my dentist. I'm not talking about I'm talking about
an organize. I'm talking about an organization, A an inclination. A.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Yeah, he goes.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Something that something that can't just be laid off on
one person. It's something you know, and you know we're covering.
You know, so wrote wrote the book on this and
gave us a whole history of one country and how
they dealt with it, and we're covering this. And even
even Soliesen shows that early in the book, in the

(21:38):
Scheeddel system, that it was five percent of the population
of that system that had any power, any wealth, anything,
and they were just as apt to destroy or oppress
their own people as they were anyone else.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
People also don't understand that. I mean they don't understand.
I mean, they don't understand the political I mean, you're
talking about impersonal forces of a historical nature at literally
global scale. You know, It's just it's just it'd be

(22:19):
like it'd be like saying it'd be like it'd be
like judging a variable in economics or like uh or
like a scale economic actor by how this guy you
know spends his money and invests like it's not that's
not what we're talking about, you know, And it's maybe

(22:42):
it's also the reason why it fails when these like
American Renaissance types act like Asians or some super race.
They don't commit crimes. It's like, you know, your enemy
in political terms is your enemy because him asserting his
own politics constituents or repudiation of your way of life.

(23:02):
Like maybe this population are a bunch of great guys
and they're saintly or maybe they're like reprobate savages and criminals.
It doesn't matter because that's not how we judge politics.
I don't want to be ruled by the Chinese because
they don't go out and steal cars. You know that.
And if you think about it that way again, you're

(23:24):
you're you're a bourgeois simpleton, you know. Well, I mean
it's guys or maybe maybe or maybe they're terrible people. Generally,
it doesn't matter because Jewish politics consumes are repudiation of
my way of life, whether the kind of guys I
don't want to have over for cocktails or to talk

(23:44):
about women in the NFL or whether they're like guys
who are like scumbags, and I can't stand the sight
of that's totally irrelevant.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
The so you can look at things like this. I
love reading the Jerusalem Post because they basically will tell you.
It's almost like it's like, is that old joke about
you see a headline or you read something in a
Jewish periodical. It's like, okay, is this the Daily Forward
or the Daily Stormer? I can't tell, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

(24:16):
So they had this article and shout out to the
guys on the Third Rail podcast for pointing this out.
It's from two weeks ago. It says, if New York
falls to country follows, is the future of American Jewry
at risk. And they're talking to this rabbi, doctor Hank Scheimkoff,
and this is what he says.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Okay, he says, this is the way they describe him.
Shimkoff has worked on over seven hundred political campaigns in
fourteen countries, in four continents, and in forty four US states.
Some names among his previous clientele Bill Clinton, Michael Bloomberg,
Mexican President Leonelle Fernandez.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
People read that and it's obvious that there is organized jewelry.
If this guy is on four continents promoting elections, he's
I guarantee you he's not promoting elections that are not
in his best interest or or whoever.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
He'sn't a piece that says this guy they're talking about
he's running from here in New York. You sound like
pussy liberal. Uh. You know, if you find this guy scary,
you're either a demented old woman or you're some crazy
Zionist who like when the wind blows you claim you're
about to be pogrammed. So I mean, like, the fact

(25:39):
is these people are slipping because they hold up to
remember when they didn't talk that way. There's actually like
something slick about their propaganda. You know, like in nineteen
eighty five, if you'd read the j Post, it'd be like,
you know, for example, he'd be saying like, you know,
the Soviet Union brutalizes, you know, a nonconforming except where

(26:00):
they go look at what they're doing in Afghanistan. You know,
Soviet jewelry loves freedom and wants wants to live like Americans,
and the Stalinist depressors are are abusing them. Now, I
mean obviously a narrative like that is laid with propaganda too,
but it's like actually credible in a certain way, like
uh claiming some like claiming some cornball like Berkeley type

(26:24):
guy who claims to be Maslam but like goes to
like his gay friend's weddings and shit, he's like he's
gonna po gram us. It's like he look like a
fucking idiot, you know. I mean it's like and then yeah,
like and then it'll be like this guy like ry
By like Shicky like fuck Bock. It's like he owns
you know, like a uh he owns like a gay

(26:44):
pornography label, and like he's involved in human trafficking and
you know he's on the staff of like freedom loving
blad musawood Ski and like this Italian mafia boss and
like he was a friend of Jeffrey Epstein. And then
like when people like on the internet like start dropping
con it's like, you know, this guy sounds like a
super villain or something. You know, they like banish all

(27:06):
comments and stuff. It's like, man, look are you guys?
You guys are like something out of Austin Powers or something. Man,
It's like what happened to you did y'all like bottomize
yourselves or something like. I mean, that's kind of stilly rants.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
And you can tell and you can tell how bad
off they have it where they still have to go
to the Russia evil well, and then they go then
they go to like Iran and Syria and Asad Syria
in places like that, which anyone who like can do
a search on Google can find out that there are
huge Jewish communities there have been for thousands, you know,

(27:43):
for a thousand years, and they're protected by the government.
And here's another here's another thing. If you if you
say that there are people you know who like just
found out about the JQ a month ago, who will
be like, well, why are they protecting Jews?

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Would why would Vladimir Putin care about Russian Jews being
in danger anywhere? He should want to kill them? All right?

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yeah, because it's like this like Retardo politics. It's like
Retardo non politics. What's also too, I mean that problem
is Zion is I mean, and I'm not gonna sit here.
I mean, obviously I don't think Israel was ever like
anything but a totally dysfunctional political system, but it did
actually used to be a multi party system before Rabine

(28:30):
was assassinated, and uh, you know, they the policy in
terms of direct administration of conquered territories. And obviously the
founding action of Israel was a mass ethnic cleansing operation
and you can't like erase that. But moving forward, you

(28:51):
can't have a leekud one party state that's like this
openly racial state that uh regularly assaults in to this
kind of mass concentration camp that is Gaza, to quite
literally thin the ranks that people've identified to the racial enemies.
You can't do that then turn around and talk about

(29:13):
how like, well, we're an especially victimized population because racists
don't like us. Like that just doesn't work, you know,
even a simpleton. And then that's one of the reasons why, like,
world opinion is totally shifted. I mean, part of it's
the Cold War ending and the wh paradigm ending. But

(29:33):
world opinion doesn't matter. Whether that's right or not isn't important.
You know, you can't you can't make yourself a pariah
and then appeal to like Neumberg morality to say no,
I'm not a pariah, I'm a victim. That doesn't work.
That's what I'm always saying it's like late Soviet and nature,

(29:53):
you know, both to propaganda from the Department of State as
well as out of the Tel Aviv. It's like, these
people don't understand. There's got to be context, you know,
otherwise it doesn't serve a purpose. Otherwise it's your it's
self defeating. It's worse than neutral, it's self defeating.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
Yes's it really is with how people can access so
much information and then they can talk in public now
through social media and different platforms. I can start a
podcast and everything. It really just goes to show you
how people don't understand politics. Like if you were to say,
if you were to tell people, ask people the question, okay,

(30:34):
so basically the Vietnam War was a proxy war with
World Communism and the United States, and okay, okay, so
well why was the United States? You know, why was
your grain trade between the United States and the Soviet
Union during the Cold War. They can't they can't wrap

(30:55):
their head around that. You can't wrap your head around
how you can have your you can try with like
your biggest enemy on the planet and that, well.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
They don't understand, they don't understand globalism. But I realized
that too, even people who otherwise I think I started
really realizing this, you know, and like I rejoined the
world and stuff, and you know, October twenty twenty before that,
you know, it has been a few years or any
since I got my life together and stuff. But like
when I was on probation and stuff, I was still writing.

(31:27):
But I was basically just say going to Washington Library
and know, instant library and like writing stuff and going
on on research. And there was like two or three
guys who I'd run into, like around the city, who
I'd talked to about these things. But I didn't really
realize the depth of people's ignorance. So I remember, like rite,

(31:48):
when I got online again, I I was trying to
explain to this guy kind of my interpretation and the
Great Depression, and I realized he was talking about national states,
which is something you probably picked him in college. He's
like talking about the world like it was the year

(32:08):
nineteen thirty and like that there are no more states,
you know, there's there's something nominally called the United States
of America, where like power is concentrated periodically has cracked
ouns on like the free flow of persons and commerce
across the borders what you're seeing now. But this idea
that there's like these discrete, self contained loci of power

(32:30):
that are essentially insular from one another, it's like that
that honestly hasn't existed since nineteen eighteen. This is a fiction.
You know, it's a fiction, and it's I'm not even
saying it's like ledgered nain By horrible people like people
invoke these concepts more or less to kind of conceptualize
the world, because otherwise we're talking in abstraction and there's

(32:53):
not like a common conceptual vocabulary. I mean, like, yeah,
there's a place called France, there's a place called England,
there's a place called Japan. But those places have been
called that for thousands of years. You know, this idea
of like Westphalian style states that's not some permanent thing.

(33:14):
And essentially the three hundred years subsequent were like moves
towards you know, a limited modality of globalism, which is
the superpower era, which is why World War two happened.

(33:35):
The Cold War was the grand struggle between two globalisms.
Now there is one globalism, Like where are these other
forms of government? Don't say like North Korea with just
some weird Garrison state because unfortunately for them, they border
Russia and China. And I'm talking about some like random
kingdom of like one hundred and fifty thousand people. I'm
talking about like real, at scale political organization. There's only

(33:58):
one form of government. They's under the Department of States. Illiterate,
there's not democracy and not democracy. What's the not democracy?
Is there? Is? There is there an Eastern block? I
thought it went away. I seem to remember watching the
Berlin wallfall when I was a kid. What's the not democracy?

(34:19):
But I mean this cuts to the whole the literacy.
I mean, I mean Israel is a particularly extreme case
because they're very immus. There's this weird outlier like in
terms of their political values and their security situation within
the rationality of those values. But there's not there's not

(34:39):
like dozens of forms of governments. You know, there's only one.
It doesn't make sense to talk otherwise. But the State
Department Israel, this entire constellation of the dominant globalist fiction
they speak because if it's nineteen eighty because they're illiterate

(35:02):
and they they don't know how to characterize the world anymore.
I mean, part of that is problematic because of post
holes in their narrated But even aside from that, there's
like a monumental of literacy and conceptual terms there.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
So doctor Johnson and I are reading two hundred years together.
We're sixty one episodes in on that.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Oh well that's a lot.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
We're not We're not even halfway done. We're just getting
the halfway on the book.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
I've forgotten that.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Yeah, you know, no problem. And you know, like.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Carl Doll and I just did an episode on uh yeah,
my front.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
Yeah, he's a good guy.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
And we just did an episode on Kadriannu and the
Iron Guard, and you know how Accusa was such a
inspiration on them because of his talk of how jewelry
was taking over Romania. What is the benefit, like, what
do you see as the benefit of talking about that now?

(36:00):
Talking about jewry historically? How zog? Now, what's the benefit
of doing I mean, and I mean I could take
arrows on this one from you if you want to
play is there what is the benefit of me doing
all of this and talking about all.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Of this because you're not gonna be able to nobody's
gonna make it be able to make sense of the
current political and sociological paradigm. Lets they understand these things.
And and let's you understand the Second World War and
that the variables that led to it. You're not gonna
understand the twentieth century. If you understand the twentieth century,

(36:38):
you don't understand today. And everything that happens today is
derivative at precedent. And particularly the these actors in the
Islamic world, the Russian Federation, Israel, you know, uh, the

(37:01):
Jews as a people, like globally, the globally asked for
the disposition of America, which is not like the legacy
government of George Washington or something. It's the legacy government
of the New Deal regime. That's the only conceptualize these things.
And plus two, like you know, you know Schumpeter and
when you I mean Schumpeter was actually like a pure

(37:23):
political economists in a lot of ways, anything we can
talk about like a pure economics and the way we
can talk about like neoliberal economics, we're talking about Schumpeter.
But uh, you know how we talk about condetry of
waves like in economics. Okay, maybe if I'm portunate that pronunciation,
but basically, in his book Business Cycles, like Cavials is

(37:48):
also on the democracy is kind of the most accessible book,
and that was his book that sold the best. It's
the most important. What was business cycles, which one of
other things is like a huge repudiation to Keeens, but
it's very very damn it. It's two volumes. It's very difficult,
but it's in my opinion, it's a seminal statement on
Pluto economy, like the last like fire over years probably okay,

(38:11):
but his whole point was, Look, you can't everybody else
that's throwne with teams that entire paradigm. You can't look
at like a thirty year increment of macroeconomic activity and
scaled actors they're in. You've got to look at this
over at minimum, probably two hundred and fifty years, honestly,

(38:34):
probably more like three hundred years. If you want to
get a conceptual picture of economic development at scale and
what business cycles truly represent, you've got to get politics
the same way. If I take like the last thirty years,
for example, I say I'm gonna study from nineteen ninety
five to you know, August tenth, twenty twenty five, that

(38:57):
doesn't tell me anything, you know, I mean, so Okay,
I can break down. I can break down like rigas
of battle and casualties and geostrategic nuances of like the
Gulf War, you know, and then person who's like being
a lot, and then how they were able to corral,

(39:18):
you know, guys would combat experience as like you know,
direct action elements and terrorist activity, and then can talk
about like the response to nine to eleven, but in
of itself that's meaningless, like that's like, uh, it'd be
like it'd be like if accident investigators like these days,

(39:39):
I know this. I'm on foot a lot, I'm on
footer on CTA and like forgive this to the scene
was like an old person tangent, but I'm walking. The
other day when I did, I took the bus back
from the city and I disembarked like two miles from
my house and there was like this big accident at
this intersection by ninety four and there's a this lady

(40:00):
police and she was like doing something with her phone
with this weird app and I'm like, uh, I like
excuse me, man, like what are you doing, you know?
And she's like, oh, well, you know this is like
what we use to like try and you know basically
you know, try and like restructure like accidents and things.
And I'm sure this is just like a simple app
to help with a report. And I'm like, okay, thanks,

(40:23):
that's interesting. So when I got home, like I started
researching like how they like how this guy evidences admitted
in court and stuff, and the guys who actually do
like the insurance adjusted types. They use some greid to
that app. But they do all this like modeling, okay,
to try and see if like the physics of what
they think happened like could have happened. Okay, all right,

(40:43):
trying to just take like a twenty or thirty year
increment of history. They'd be like if these accident guys
came on an accident and said, no, no, no, we're not
gonna model anything that happened before. I only care about
what happened at the moment of impact. That's how we're
gonna solve accidents. That wouldn't tell you anything. They like
tell you how the body is ragged old. They tell

(41:05):
you about how like a Tesla when it collides with
like a geep Cherokee. They tell you like how the
conventions come apart, or like how the airbag deploys, it
would tell you nothing about the causal variables at an accident.
Do you see what I mean? That jumped out on
me because of the the kind of research that I do.
I guess that was like the connection I made when

(41:26):
this lady told me that, and when I got home
and started like google fooling the ship. But that's why
you got to look at it. So that's why it's important.
Let's do. The Iron Guard specifically is a weird not
weird in negative terms. It's it's it's unusual, it's unusual phenomenon.
That's why so much has written about it. When Romania.
You don't think of Romania as this country that has

(41:50):
this monumental impact on European culture generally because it it's
it's it's a other than all stirred in the troubles.
It's really the only and I realized that this the
sectarian sympathies were very different in each case, but it's
really the only case of like late modern Christian populations

(42:13):
developing like a holy warrior element. Okay, and uh, that's
highly significant. And there's a parallel there between NAT and
the Islamic Awakening, and that makes it relevant to today
in a way that not in ethical terms, but in

(42:35):
formal and structural terms. You know, things like things like
these most fascist parties and like the national Socialist movement,
aren't you know, there's like a national it's it's relevant
to study the German Reich. But you know, again like
that dialectically it was so bound up with like the
labor movement and direct antithetical resistance and communism and stuff.

(42:59):
You know, again the ethical foundation of his perennial, but
the structure of it is kind of historically contingent. The
Iron Guard is an outlawer, and I mean all all
all political modes of warfare and mobilization they're in or
are historically contingent. But that has a more uh that

(43:22):
that has a more timeless significance, you know, even though
that's tim poorly modally everything else too. That's why we'll
think the significant.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
I think one of the interesting things that that Carl Dahl,
that Carl said about the Iron Guard was that they
were they were early they're doing what they were doing
what we're doing now. They were going around the country
building social capital with people. They were going around the
country building parallel institutions. Yeah, they were they were doing

(43:54):
things that we should be doing now, which a lot
of the same people who you know, can't get their
head out of their ass, you know who who should
you know, who should be sympathetic to the things that
we talk about, But they can't get their head out
of their ass because they think that this is all
going to be solved on the national level.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Well, yeah, because they don't get it, because they're still
thinking in terms of this this they're imprisoned by twentieth
century thinking, you know. Yeah, that's why that was the
whole point of I mean, that's another thing is that, uh,

(44:35):
these Romanian guys they were they weren't they weren't reactionaries,
you know, but they also weren't these like secular like
art futures, you know, they.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
And that.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
But that's why that's why I met Mercia Eliotti, who
really was kind of their like a lot of uh,
a lot of adveragem types who kind of wanted them
murk him exaggerated is uh his and direct the action
type of stuff in the Iron Guard. But marcieli Audi
he really was, you know, like a philosopher of the

(45:07):
Romanian dissident, right, And that's why he was an important theologian,
and that's also why he had That's why he was
conceptually sophisticated on anthropology and theology and stuff like that,
you know, any because he had a he had a
very progressive view of politics and direct action there not
not progressive in values terms, I mean progressive in uh

(45:29):
like formal terms. And you know that's remarkable, but a
lot of I mean, Romania is a great country and
a great people. I'm not saying bad things about them,
but Romania traditionally is you know, someone underdeveloped, you know,
and there's there's structural difficulties there, but that's those that
kinds of situations were off and you get very sophisticated

(45:50):
revolutionaries emergent from you know, proudly because those people have
a difficult life and you know, the the kind of
intelligency among them. You know, they spend a lot of
time thinking about things, especially in comparative terms, you know,
because they because the stuff dregglying takes your life, you know,

(46:10):
if you're if you're a comparatively comfortable guy, you know,
in the United States or even even to this day,
like in a place like a lot of the UK's
in my stuff. But like in a London or something
like generally you're not really thinking about nor do you
care about, you know, what what life is like for
people where you know, things like the things like you know,

(46:34):
religiosity is as like a day to day significance and
kind of immediate conceptual terms, you know. I mean I
think about that stuff, but I I mean not that
sound likes smarter than anybody, but I I have like
kind of a weird life. And there been times where,
in part like due to my own doing, I was
like really poor or like I I was saying difficulties

(46:55):
surviving and stuff, and like you you know, generally like, uh,
that's not like an entirely bad experience. Like I made
that point before. I mean I don't at my age now,
I prefer not to go through that again. But uh,
you know, you get it promotes like, you know, meaningful
reflection on stuff, you know, and uh you compair like

(47:21):
different modes of life, you know, and so I think
that's part of it. But also Eliadi, Uh, Romania is
an interesting I mean Romania is a they're they're literally
like a Latin culture. I mean it was like a
Roman lost battalion who basically uh, bred with you know,

(47:41):
Docians and stuff you have like Romanians and like they
the language they speak is closest to the Latin of
living languages, but they're like a bit but they're like
they belong to Byzantium. You know, they're like very orthodox,
so they straddle this like weird kind of civilization diad

(48:02):
and uh, I think that's part of it. You know,
that tends to prompt uh reflections and things of you know,
like an ontological nature. But I don't know, but they
but there's a there's a tenor of mysticism in Remedian

(48:23):
religiosity too, that was able to remain alive even as uh,
the ontological shock of modernity kind of stripped that kind
of thing away. That's also why, I mean, that's why
I've been a lot and gravitated to Afghanistan. Like people
make jokes, people make it jokes and stuff. I mean

(48:43):
some of I mean, it's fine. I'm not saying people
shouldn't joke about ethnic stuff. But you know, bin Laden
his first destination was Sudan. You know, he funded a
bunch of infrastructural products projects there because he thought that
he was looking at replace like a pure Islam could
thrive and people superficially the way they come out that
the way they come at that as Oh, well, he's
talking about primitive conditions or you know places where you know,

(49:05):
like a local emo, so there's a lot of cloud. No, No,
that's not what he was talking about. You're talking about
like an intuitive way of life where this kind of
awareness of pre rational things was like a part of
the living faith. And he had an inclusion that Sudan
was not that place. You know, people have Sudanese or
a bunch of like bombs right around in Toyota's with

(49:27):
like class and across and there's something, there's something, but
uh in Afghanistan, I mean, Afghanistan is probably more primitive
than Sudan. But he's like among these past dunes, you know,
there's like a like true Islam can thrive if they're
like receptive to it, and you know they it's you know,

(49:49):
and I them being like a warrior race, I'm sure
has something to do with it. But you know, I'm
not sure just sing something like Romanians or like, you know,
their conditions are is are as primitive? Is that of passions?
But I'm just saying a complimentary thing of both populations,

(50:09):
you know, so that's something they consider, you know, but
there's one of the reasons why I like religiosity and
the practice of it is mysterious, you know.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
So there are a lot of people who have this, uh,
this romantic if you want to call it romantic notion
of that. The way that you know, the the United
States is going to be d zoged or you know,
the globalism will be kicked from it is the country

(50:41):
is going to become one ten. It's going to be Oh,
they've been kicked out of one hundred and nine countries
and the United States is going to be the one
hundred and tenth country that get kicked out of I
have a tendency to believe that that's not going to happen.
So I guess the question the question is is how
is zog How is this occupation defeated?

Speaker 4 (51:01):
Ultimately because uh, his historical processes, they're taking it down,
and you know, the the only strength of it is
the strength of it is the ability to manipulate sociological

(51:22):
factors and doing forced social engineering.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Well, that apparatusis is going away, you know. And ironically,
as true globalism sets in economically. I mean, the multilateral
system is dead. But that's that's a different thing. Like
what matters, I mean, don't get me wrong. Like that's
that's the one thing I like that the administration is doing.

(51:49):
Is there, you know, they they've realized a workable return
to bilateral trade arrangement to the essential because we're running massive,
running massive deficits. That that that's catastrophic, okay. But the issue.
The issue isn't imports and exports as regards to globalism.
It's uh, it's the velocity and mobility of money. And

(52:12):
that's not going away, that's here to stay. It's it's
becoming more integrated. Okay. So anywhere on this planet, I
can do business and access money, and so can any
other man Okay, unless he's like in a penitentiary or something, obviously.
But concomonant with that, political globalism is becoming decentralized because

(52:39):
there's no other choice. So free association is returning by necessity,
but also because it's not the political will to try
and break it up, you know. And uh, as there's
a the court of global opinion truly becomes this positive.

(53:03):
People won't tolerate these imperatives anymore. It's already happening. The
entire world despises Israel. You know this idea that uh
you know, like I said before too, like you know,
even even policing twenty cents a policing is coming to
an end. So it's like, okay, like moving forward over
the next two three centuries. I mean, it's already happening

(53:25):
in earnest, but I'm saying, O, yeah, this gets more
fully realized to go. Here's a community that's like a
ninety percent white is like a community like Harvey. It's
like it's like nine nine percent like black folks. You know,
here's like a community, you know, like like Pilson is
now where it's basically like Spanish. Ohkait, what what's gonna happen?
Is like the National guardgin was salt and say we

(53:47):
demand you stop living this way or what you're you're
gonna shoot us all? Try it? How's that going to
work for you? How's it gonna work on? Like you're
live streaming guys like opening up on like regular guys
and their wives and kids for like not having enough
of black people live there or in the gast of
black folks, like not being integrated enough that's done. That's unthinkable.

(54:11):
That's how.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
I think what a lot of I think what a
lot of people will argue is is that whether you
take the Kevin McDonald route about evolution you know how
how Jews have evolved through revolutionary processes to be so insular,
or you take the Michael Jones where you know they
denied logos and at the cross you know they've been

(54:35):
since then. I have a tendency to take a mixture
of both. I believe both have both have validity to
it that as long as they're there there, as long
as they're amongst you, they are going to be seeking
to subvert. So how can you live with them?

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Because that's not because people don't understand the reason why
is reach such out such intent. Hana or Runt, who
Wasger's accolyte, you know she her book The Origin of Totalitarianism,
is a really good book. You know, the title is
a little weird. She basically breaks down exactly like what

(55:15):
Jewish power is. And you know, before before the end
of the nineteenth century, Jews had no political power. Economic
power that's not like a small thing, but they had
no they had no political clout. That was laughable. Suddenly

(55:36):
in the twentieth century they did, and gee, look what happened.
Isn't that interesting? You know? It's also too like I'm
not saying that the people in the Pale Settlement are that,
you know, the Jewish minority in England in you know,
twelve to eighty, like was doing good things in the

(55:57):
country or was benign. But the reason why people like
Edward kicked them out was because he didn't want to
pay him back. It's not because he's like, I'm a
white man and to help with these Jews who aren't
white and they're comedies. It was okay you guys like
funding my war against the French, but you know, I
don't like the fact that you're shylocking me on these
on interest and I can't pay right now anyway, I'm

(56:19):
the king. What are you gonna do? Oh you don't
like it? Get out those few rights you had, they're gone.
That's what it was. It wasn't like he was based
and Cromwell was like a liberal who like Jews like that.
You can't like extrapolate current conditions back then, you know,
and uh where the rubber met the road, Yeah, you

(56:41):
had especially like I mean pauland Ukraine, which were like
the same territory for a long time. That was basically
like a goy of slave plantation. You know, the most
the you know, the most enslaved populations were like North Africans,
Arabs and Slavs, you know. And so yeah, I mean

(57:02):
I'm not saying that's like a minor thing, but people
this idea that like the political paradigms of like the
nineteen thirties existed in like the eleven thirties, and like
that's why you Jews were disliked Like that, that makes
no sense, you know, And like I said, okay, move

(57:23):
forward like two hundred years where there's like not really
a United States of America. Then kind of like in
name only, law enforcement and military power is like almost
exclusively private, you know, if you or it's like self
help oriented. You know. There's no more public school, there's

(57:46):
a the bully pulpit of media as exists in the
twentieth century is gone forever. There's no possibility of something
like a Cold War happening again because true globalism is
now centuries old. Like what what is the federal government
gonna do with people? Like I said, they're gonna they're
gonna get a bunch of pinkertons. So like, shoot, everybody

(58:06):
who's not diverse in the community live in that's laughable,
you know, like it's this is coming to an end,
and people don't understand that, and I try and tell
them again and again and they don't listen to me.
Old people do know some things. When I was like
a teenager, like half of the places I going out regularly,

(58:30):
like nighttime or daytime, if I went there, I might
have gotten fucking killed. Like black people would literally like
kill me. Now that's unthinkable. Thirty years ago, Bill Clinton,
he'd say to the DNC, like, you know, they're like
fifty years what would be one race? People like whoo, yeah,

(58:52):
it's type racism. Like if a president can't say that
now people want to fucking lynch him. You would be
like outraged. I mean, can you imagine that? You know?
Now people act like you're rather corny and they roll
their eyes at you or they tell you're like a
total piece of shit. If you're like stumped for Israel,
unless you're in like some like dumb hick town, or

(59:14):
unless you're like in Skokie, Illinois, were like ninety people
are Jewish or something. You live on a different planet
than thirty years ago in this regard, like it's it's
like a different country, you know, and people act like
this shit like somehow like a staying power. It's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
People also think that the that this was forced upon us,
And yeah, in a way, you do have a social
engineering regime, but you also have to have people who
are willing to go along with it and also willing
people who are willing to collude.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
Yeah. I tell people this all the time.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
I'm like, if you're if you if you want to
complain about this, jew did this and in history and
it led to this, and it led to this and everything.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
They didn't do it alone.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
What's the heck? That's all point of parables about people
like Nero and Julian the Apostate. You know these guys,
these guys were Roman patricians, you know, they they thought
that they were gods. Basically, you know the fact that uh,
I mean even even like Donald Trump's like that, you know,
like I call him like Trump episode he is a

(01:00:30):
piece of shit. But Trump Trump doesn't care about Jews.
Trump heres about Donald Trump. Like if every you think
of Israel, see to exist tomorrow. Trump would care, You
wouldn't care. You'd be like, these guys can no longer
pay me, you know, you find somebody else to pay him,
and somebody else would you know? I mean, in some

(01:00:53):
way you think that's worse than like being a part
of the inferialing people, even in a warped way that's
like against the God like zions are. But that's a
whole point, you know. And it's like also, I mean,
like I said, if you don't part of the the
reason why I'm writing this manuscript, I mean, it's for

(01:01:13):
a lot of reasons because you know, like I mentioned
you the other day, because I don't have children, which
I'm totally fine with, and I can't sing and dance,
you know, I kind of like to leave something behind
my own a small way. So that's like this book
I'm writing, and I'm trying to explain the twentieth century
in one value that's like not too cumbersome, is actually

(01:01:34):
some unreadable. You've got to look at the Jewish diaspora
like as a people, like as a as a true
nation in the ass where you got to look at
them as like a combatant actor in World War two,
as everybody did in the era. Frankly, and America and
the Soviet Union allied with that actor country Europe and

(01:01:56):
the Empire Japan. Okay, then as glo as this divided
globalism set in the Soviet Union turned on America and
this nation in diaspora, which now had representation in international law,
like in the state of Israel. So you're talking about

(01:02:18):
like the winning coalition of the victorious element in the
twentieth century. Like that's why, okay, And that's something I
try and explicate. I'm drawing things for the SEGA conceptual intelligibility.

(01:02:40):
I'm kind of drawing this in broad strokes, but that's
the short answer.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Yeah, I think that we I think everything. So we
live in a world and I think I heard you
say this recently. It's like people want to be like, oh,
I didn't know this, and I can't. I can't be
educated in this, even though like literally there every book
in the world is in the palm of their hand

(01:03:07):
with the phone and they can find out anything they want.
And yeah, I think that the you're people are not
going to understand exactly what's happened until you start blaming.
You don't just blame one group, you blame, you blame
everyone who was in on this.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Well, they just understand historical processes. Like I said, I
one thing I do think of on Mesians are on too.
I don't accept their whole. Uh, I don't accept their practice,
you know, or anything. But something I write about is
you do need some kind of intuition to interpret business cycles.

(01:03:51):
I mean Stumping made that point too. That's not it's
not that's not any mystical. It doesn't. I'm not any
reference or drawing around like all read or something. But
you either have that you don't. The whole is greater
than the sun. Its part sometimes the water, like reading
the discrete codable variables. It's the same thing with politics

(01:04:12):
and historical phenomenon or cultural things. I mean Eliot pointing
into you either it's like, oh, you know, he was
talking about shamanism and the prime symbols between very urus cultures.
What commonalities are He's like, yeah, I can list variables
that I can identify synonymous according to some arbitrary criteria,

(01:04:33):
you know, ideas of edification and suffering and things that
are and feelings that are universal the human condition. But
they don't like tell us anything like like a sacred
experience and things that are symbolic of it. In psychological terms,
you know them when you see them, or you don't
foresee these things, Okay, And I suppose that's what a

(01:04:56):
talent is for religion. A miss culttures ones that have
stronger and more vogative symbols of this nature or a
stronger in that regard. Ones that don't are weaker. Okay,
but that's part of it. Like even people are intelligent,
and I'm not like a super smart person. I don't

(01:05:17):
think I'm stupid, but I'm the last person's gonna pretend
like I'm some kind of like genius or like I'm
so much smarter than the norm. Because I'm not. I
can perceive things in my field of concentration that other
people can't.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
There's guys who trade stocks, and there's guys who trade
for its. They can do that with financial quantities and
things like that and financial instruments. I can't do that
with that kind of stuff. I can with macroagonomics and politics.
And if you can't, you're tripping over your dick because

(01:05:52):
you're just looking at variables and treating it like some
sort of formal equation or something, you know, and if
that was the case, you guys like Metternich or Henry
Kissinger or James Baker wouldn't exist. If you were a
king or like a president or like a warlord, you
just like hire a guy from M I T and'd
be like, Okay, code, code, what's gonna happen? You know,

(01:06:14):
what's what? What's the Soviet Union gonna do? Like code
these variables?

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
Well know for certain nobody can do that because that
does because that's not what it is. But somehow guys
like Metroanach and Kissinger and Baker like knew what was
going to happen. It's not as a psychic, you know.
I'm not saying like I'm anywhere near guys like that obviously,
but on the spectrum or scale spectrum said that if
you were going to call me a retard, but on

(01:06:38):
the scale of the way my mind is wired. I
that's where my skill set is.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
Okay, Well, one are the points made here and I'm
just doing a bunch of Devil's advocate at this point
is that the monetary system allows them to go, you know,
do a lot of the things that they can do
that's part. Do you see that, Do you see the
dollar going away?

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
Yeah, it's gonna be It's not gonna just disappear, and
there's not gonna be some punctuated collapse like nineteen twenty nine,
but that you know, wipes out the dollars of reserve
currency in some punctuated way, Like the dollar is gonna
be kind of devalued to the point where it's just
in a de fact a way, even if they're still
gonna be incentive to maintain it through reserve currency, so

(01:07:26):
you can still like encourage America to do business with
you in the way that America wants to, you know.
And like a lot of countries, I mean, China is
the most prominent, but you know, they arn't eventually peg
their currency against the dollar, you know, so that's gonna
endure for a while. But gradually, even countries that insist
that like the dollar is still the reserve currency, they're

(01:07:48):
gonna deal like what Bricks does. I'm not one of
these guys is like Bricks is the future because when
that that's the Kremlin being stupid. But uh, and coping
is like the youngsters see but uh, their model of
like maintaining like a floating basket of currencies as a
you know, to flesh out their reserves. That's going to

(01:08:10):
become the norm, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
Yeah, well what you know, I think what I hear
a lot of people say is it's like, oh, the
you know, the government's doing bitcoin reserves. El Salvador has
bitcoin reserves. We still have gold reserves.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
And but what the dollar, Like, Bitcoin's not a currency,
you know what bitcoin is. There's there's nothing wrong with crypto,
but it's not a currency. It's a non traditional bond
and it's a way of banking without being availed to
the enforcement mechanism and control and possible seizure of federal authorities.

(01:08:46):
Like you don't have a currency when the only store
and value when your currency is pegged to the dollar.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
Right, Yeah, I made that point about that. I made
that point about gold.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
It's like anything that you're trying to you identify as
a potential m one currency so that you can, you know,
stop fractional reserve banking. That's not what stops fractional or
reserve banking. What stops fractional or reserve banking is people
in charge who don't want to fractionally reserve the.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
Banking also something insidious thing in of itself, Like that's
antiquated thinking, you know, like what's the alternative we should have,
like an Islamic banking system where you're basically like when
you take out a loan from a bank, you're basically
lend them stock, and you know you're selling them like
perennial stock, like beyond the scope of their investment. I

(01:09:39):
mean like lending it, lending it interest in a way
that's not usurious. That that's that's what fuels business and innovation.
That's not like evil somehow. But the same people too,
like the people equate like banking is evil with the
same people claim like gold is is a is somehow

(01:10:00):
like immune to interest rate manipulation. Gold is literally a
shiny rock, like shiny rocks aren't real, and like bearer
papers not fake, Like how's like a shiny rock real?
You know, Like I think gold is cool. I like
to see stuff meat out of it. It's nice to
give you your girlfriend or something. I'm not anti gold,

(01:10:24):
but it's a shiny rock. I mean that's what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
All Right, I'm gonna get us out of here. Let
me just read a couple of super chats here. Uh
ex coboron Rumble says, and I don't believe this for
one second.

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
I mean I believe the second part. I don't believe
the first part.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
Says I've never met a Jew, but I did shake
George Bush's hand when I was ten in two thousand,
in the year two thousand, so close enough.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
That's awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
So yeah, yeah, right, yeah, Sully the amount like kite
subscribe for five, thank you, Carl Yen, says Pete. Did
you ever see any gigs at the Brass Mug in Tampa?
I saw some great bands back then. Yeah, that was
like the freakin' There was a lot of punk stuff
there and hardcore stuff, and like at that time when

(01:11:15):
I was in Tampa, I just wasn't into it. I've
been to the Mouse Down there too, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
and that was that was kind of blowing up when
when I was there too, But yeah, I was more
into like the there was like a big goth glam
scene there and everything, and that was like most of
my friends that I was hanging out with were like
into goth clam and everything. So yeah, Sully the Malki,

(01:11:40):
says Pete did reading the last crusade have anything to
do with you getting back to your Catholic roots. Understand
you likely were on your way, but wow, Carol's Carol's
work really pulls me that way too. For a bunch
of years, like I was just getting put in, like
Catholic heart core Catholics were getting put into, like my

(01:12:03):
friends were, like everyone that I was coming into contact
with was.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
A hardcore Catholic and everything.

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
And then I guess what cinched it was when I
moved to this little town in East Alabama that has,
you know, more like one hundred times more chickens than people,
and there's this little Catholic parish in this town, and
I'm just like, oh, let me go visit that and everything.
And that's what That's basically what pulled me back in

(01:12:29):
and got me for some of my first confession in decades,
which was a lot of fun. And then all right,
and our buddy Kreig says, always great to see Pete
and Thomas on a Sunday night stream after workg Creek.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
Coming in from Austria. That's awesome. But all right, man,
I'm gonna let you go. I I appreciate you joining
me for this stream and I appreciate everybody. You know.
I was, I was reading the comments, you know, and
and I just wasn't responding to him because I thought
this was a conversation that needed to be had at
this time. So I want to thank Thomas for joining

(01:13:09):
me once again. And yeah man. Oh and by the way, everyone,
in about an hour and fifteen minutes, the next episode
with Thomas comes out. It's part four of the Radical
Traditionalist School where Thomas talks about Marciliati and Julius Evila. Yeah,
so tune in. Thank you, Thomas, I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
Yeah, thank you, man.