Episode 1282: Charlie Kirk and 'The Cabal' w/ Aaron from Timeline Earth

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Aaron is one of the hosts of Timeline Earth.

Pete invited Aaron to come back on the show to talk about Laurent Guyenot's recent article, "The Public Execution of Charlie Kirk."

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The Public Execution of Charlie Kirk

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what's going on?

Speaker 3 (01:56):
How's it going?

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Good? Good? Been hearing you all lot on shows lately.
Oh that's right. No, I haven't heard you at all,
not even.

Speaker 4 (02:03):
Yeah, if you did, you'd hear a screeching baby in
the background.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Well I don't mind that. That's actually pretty cool to me. Yeah,
it's been a while and I don't even remember the
last the last thing we talked about, so you probably do.
You have a much better memory than I do when
it comes to stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
Oh my god, not right now, I don't. I've been
been in baby mode for a little over a month.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Now.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Well, congratulations, man, it's good to.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Hear, thank you.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah, all right. So, once upon a time, you and
I read an article by a guy named LORINGE. Gigno
called Israel the Psychopathic Nation, and that was that was fun.
So so about a week ago he put out another

(02:59):
another art whole and unsu uns dot com picked it up,
and or he wrote a friends dot Com I don't
know how that works, called the public Execution of Charlie
Kirk and without like you know, going into the whole
conspiracy around everything. I mean, I watched a Chris Martinsen

(03:21):
video this morning. It was like an hour and five
minutes about how there's no way the bullet could have
came from that building it came from, and I'm just like,
I mean, I know there are people who live for
that stuff.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
I just don't.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
Yeah, yeah, I when that first happened. I have two
younger brothers. One of them's twenty four, one of them's
twenty six. And I've never been a huge Charlie Kirk fan,
probably for the same reason you haven't been a huge
Charlie Kirk fan. But they called me immediately and they
were they were emotional, they were not not happy about this,

(04:00):
and maybe it's just a generational gap. But you know,
I I told them it's going to be something to
do with with a tranny, something to do with a tranny,
And at first I thought I was right, But as
as time goes on, there's just so much circumstantial evidence,

(04:21):
so much just an implausible amount of circumstantial evidence, uh,
pointing in the direction that we're about to talk about.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yeah, yeah, And even if I didn't want to, I
don't even know that I want to make this about
it being in another direction. But you know, one of
the big reveals to me and this is it's like, oh,
this is a conspiracy. Well yeah, it's a conspiracy. It's
absolutely a conspiracy. And like it's the group chat got

(04:53):
freaking laked proving it was a conspiracy. And you know,
I guess where where everything starts. Where, you know, without
getting into ballistics, kinetic energy and exit wounds and things
like that. You know, a lot of people know that.

(05:15):
You know, Charlie was questioning what Israel was doing, and
he was you know, he had recently refused to take money.
Now I'm not willing to go as far to say that,
you know, he had changed his mind about Israel and
he wasn't quarter of Israel anymore. That's that's just not
what That's not what it is. And I don't expect,
you know, I'm not one of those people who expects

(05:36):
most people to like not become supporters of Israel. I
think that there are people. I think a large section
of the population is becoming that way. But I don't
expect like people who are influencers and people who have
to and are forced to interact with Jewish people on

(06:00):
a daily basis taking money from whether it's taking money
from them or just working around them, having to be
around them, to take a public stance on this, and
he had and he didn't.

Speaker 4 (06:12):
Well, no, it's not even a public stance. It's just
it was opening the floor up to the question and
that was not palatable and still isn't palatable to this day.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
And you know, apparently what Charlie was basically telling them
was look, I think and I think he said this
to Netanyahu specifically, that you can't keep doing this. You
can't keep I mean, yeah, we're basically at the point
that every we're supposed to believe that. However, many tens

(06:48):
of thousands of people died in Gaza, every one of
them was either Hamas or a Hamas supporter, or Hamas
was hiding behind them.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
Yeah, it's well, that's to be expected. That's been there,
that's been the go to, that's worked for them for decades.
They can justify any atrocity they want. And you know,
as as a millennial, I was pretty apathetic to the
whole thing. And apathy suits everybody just fine, but being

(07:23):
apathetic to the existence of the state of Israel is
not acceptable. And we're learning that the hard way. And
as this article gets at Charlie Kirk learned that the
hard way that entertaining apathy is not an option. It
is not within the Overton window.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
They're, from what I've seen, the most rabid Zionists out there,
and you know, the people who basically wouldn't even talk
about their Jewish background before October seventh, but got activated
did by October seventh. They either want you to be
one hundred percent on their side or they're very happy

(08:08):
for you to be one hundred percent against them. But
like you said, the apathy, they have no time.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
For that and that really pisses them off.

Speaker 4 (08:19):
Well, they're starting to pivot towards apathy. These people are
very innovative, I want to say. They see the writing
on the wall, They see the attitudes that the younger
generations are coming into political awareness with, and now you're
starting to see this acceptance of well, who cares about

(08:42):
Israel anyways? And that's being filtered through there major I
guess they're remaining influencers right now, like apathy is starting
to be the next best thing to complete acceptance.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
M all right.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
So what we found out and they immediately called this
like a lie, that Charlie was summoned to Long Island.
Imagine that he was summoned to Long Island of I
am completely shocked to meet with a group. And mister

(09:26):
Gignan calls it a cabal, and he says here in
the article, let's first get acquainted with this, with the
Jewish cabal that is now the target of much suspicion.
And when he says suspicion, he's talking about in the assassination. So,
like I said, I don't know how much we're going
to get into that because I really haven't touched that yet.
Because yeah, it's one of those things whenever something like

(09:50):
this happens and they just slammed the door shut on it,
immediately start cleaning up the crime scene, taint the crime scene,
and don't release any information about it, don't talk about
I want to know, like what was the what was
the grain what was the grain weight of the bullet?

(10:12):
I want to know what brand it was that was shot?
Was it you know, was it military surplus? Did he
buy it at Walmart? You know, as the kind of
stuff I want to know. And apparently we're never going
to know this. So and maybe I'll talk about why
my biggest my biggest thing that leads me to believe

(10:36):
it's really hard to believe the uh, the the official narrative,
and it has nothing to do with a two hundred
yard shot or anything like that. It's something that I
learned much, much, uh a little later than that. So
so this Jewish cabal, so the people who met who
did an intervention with Charlie was the first one. Bill Ackman,

(11:00):
American hedge fund manager worth nine point four billion dollars,
unconditional support of Israel's genocide and gods and an important
contributor to Turning Point USA for about a year. What
I will say is I think that Tucker is doing
really good work in that Tucker just for like two
minutes on one of his streams says who is Bill

(11:23):
Ackman and why does he have nine billion dollars? Is
what is he done? What is he smart at?

Speaker 2 (11:29):
And then.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
Which what you never do is what Bill Ackman did.
He went on Twitter and had a friggin crash out
explaining how how special he what a special boy he
is that caused him to make this nine point four
billion dollars that like anyone who looks into Bill Ackman

(11:51):
is like, this isn't even his money. This is money
that he's just managing for. Somebody gave him this money
so that he could put it towards their interests, and
so it doesn't have to come from them. It's just
he's just another cutout in this game. Yeah, basically, So
on August.

Speaker 4 (12:12):
Tucker hacked that kind of person's mindset, questioning their competency.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
How dare you.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Tucker has their number? I mean, Tucker will say something
about net Yahoo and then net Yahoo like you know,
spins up the freaking webcam and does a video, you know,
and does streams about how he didn't kill Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 4 (12:35):
Yeah, Tucker's hasn't been out of the Murdoch sphere for
that long. He still knows all these people. They he
still went to dinner with all these people.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
All right.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
On August fourth and fifth, Ackman hosted a two day
meeting on the Hampton's Long Island with Kirk and important
executives and financi here as at TPUSA, Kirk was strongly
reprimanded for giving a platform to car Rlson in July
and submitted to what he experienced as threats in blackmail
over his recent public critics of critiques of Israel's influence

(13:10):
in America. Benjamin and Yaho invited himself in that meeting
by phone. So yeah, it was not only Tucker not
only inviting Tucker Carlson, but having Dave Smith on the
stage was another thing that pissed them off. Yeah, because
you know, Tucker Carlson is just a stupid boy. But
you know, Dave being eighty six percent Ashkenazi, they can't have,

(13:30):
you know, they hate that even more.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
Yeah, get to get Charlie back on the reservation, and
you know, taking away the funding for his life's work
is a good way to do that. But what happens
when that doesn't work?

Speaker 1 (13:46):
Yeah, well we can keep answering that. We can keep
asking that question, all right. Second person, Josh Hammer, speaking
of Dave Smith. He's the one he debated Hammer at
this at the TPUSA event and prove that he's an
insane psychopath.

Speaker 4 (14:02):
But so is a little background to that debate. So
I just recently watched Dave Smith interview with Nick Flentes,
and Dave was telling a story about how before that
debate they were all in the back room eating snacks
and shooting the ship, and uh, Josh Hammer came off
as a very genuine, nice, nice guy, and then once

(14:25):
they got out to the stage, Josh Hammer's opening statement
was something to the effect of and it discussed me
that I'm on the same stage as this vile person.
So that's the type of person we're dealing with. Just
a complete bug man.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Well it is either that or I mean he is
just it's an act.

Speaker 4 (14:49):
I mean, what the genuineness in the back room or.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
I think all of it.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yeah, when I when I was, when I watched johnjosh
Hammer talk, I don't see anything. I don't see anything
behind his.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
Eyes pantomiming being a human.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
So.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
So Josh Hammer is Jewish political commentator senior editor at
large of Newsweek who defines himself as a full advocate
for the Jewish people and for the Jewish State of Israel,
and a believer that jew hatred is inherent in the
European DNA. We talked about that when we read Keno's
Israel The Psychopathic Nation. How I think it was. Leo

(15:32):
Pinsker said that anti Semitism was our hereditary disease and incurable,
and Chris Martinsen made a really good point when Josh
Hammer tweeted that out. There's a copy of that. There's
a screenshot of the tweet up here. I am jewish.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
He says jew hatred is inherent in the European DNA,
and Chris Martinsen said, yep, that which usually gets encoded
in to the DNA of a people is a survival mechanism.
So what are you trying to tell us, Josh?

Speaker 4 (16:09):
Your terms are acceptable.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Hammer is author of a book claiming that Western civilization
was founded by Moses at Mount Sinai. Hammer was there
the whole time his words during the Hamptons meeting. On
the day before Kirk's public execution, Hammer retweeted approvingly a
twelve year old tweet by Trump mentioning, quote public execution

(16:35):
for all to see. Three hours after Kirk's death, he
again cryptically tweeted public execution, which is up here.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
So yeah, he.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Retweeted Trump saying on April tweeting on April nineteenth, twenty thirteen,
Trump said, should be public execution for all to see.
You will end this bullshit fast. I don't know what
Trump was referring to. I could look it up, but
I do right now And josh Hammer retweeted that this
is the day before Kirk was assassinate, he said, based

(17:09):
and the day a couple hours after Charlie Kirk was shot,
he tweeted out public execution.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
So it's just adding to the mountain of circumstantial evidence.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
Yeah, yeah, So all right, next person is Rabbi pessok
Walicki American I no stop, okay, it says American Israeli citizen,
Israeli citizen who lives in it, who lives in Israel,
who presents himself as Charlie Kirk's regular advisor on Israel issues.

(17:43):
The night before Kirk's assassination, he had a one hour
zoom conversation with him to practice his pro Israel talking points.
Josh Hammer was in the conversation Wellicky later reported that
Kirk was in a combative mood and playing the devil's advocate.

Speaker 4 (18:03):
I guess when you get told no, that could be
construed as a combative mood. Why are you telling me no?

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Well, I mean, I guess after somebody, after somebody is assassinated.
That if someone's assassinated the day after, you have a
zoom call on which they're combative. Any arguments that they
were making against your positions. It helps you to say
that they were playing devil's advocate, because you don't want
them to think that they were seriously being combative with

(18:34):
you and arguing with you and maybe disagreeing with you.

Speaker 4 (18:39):
Yeah, it'll it serves as a very nice message for
the people that are willing to ah to dig a
little deeper.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Next up, Robert Shillman. I love it American.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
No, he's not.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
Businessmen and political financier who has invested in several right
wing political activists such as Laura Lumer, Tommy Robinson and
Brilin Hollyhand. I think when it says invested in, I
think he's probably maybe been in at least two of those,

(19:18):
like literally been inside two of those. I won't say
which ones.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
Yeah, you got to wonder whose private jet Brilan Hollyhand
was on when he made his debut.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
I've said previously that I believe that he was created
in a test tube in Unit eighty two hundred and
Tel Aviv just to be their sex slave.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Yeah, yeah, he was.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Shilman was financing TPUSA to the tune to two million annually,
but according to The New York Times October one, twenty
twenty five, two days before mister Kirk's death, mister Shilman
angrily questioned mister Kirk for giving a platform to mister
Carlson informed him he was withdrawing a two million dollar
pledge to turning point.

Speaker 4 (20:05):
He has a property in the Berkshires in my home state.
And the other part of that story was that Charlie
went up to his property in the Birch years fairly
for before his assassination, and this is where all that happened,
where he was basically defunded.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
And this is the fun one Seth Dylon, CEO the
news satire site The Babylon Beast since twenty eighteen, with
an estimated net worth of six million in twenty twenty five.
So what the fuck is he doing there? I mean,
he's a minor player. What are they keeping him around for.

(20:53):
Dylan presents himself as an evangelical Christian but acknowledges his
Jewish heritage. You know, this is as soon as and
I knew that about this about him, and it reminded me.
Thomas and Jay Burden are covering like doing a series
on the occult, and they were talking about the Bayless
case from Russia circa like nineteen eleven to nineteen fifteen.

(21:17):
I think the trial went for an extremely long time
where you know, a Jewish gentleman was accused of insanguinating
a young Orthodox Christian boy and you know, killing him
and insanguinating.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
Him, and that seems familiar.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Yeah, yeah, And then Thomas like went down a whole
list of accusations and cases throughout you know, like the
last millennia.

Speaker 4 (21:52):
Oh, he's pretty extanguination specifically. Yeah, wow, all right, I'd
like to say I'm surprised.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
But one of the things that that Thomas brought up
in that episode was he was talking about how the
Talmud says if a Jew is able to deceive the Akum,
which technically like literally translates into worshiper of stars and planets,

(22:22):
so he's referring to like Pagans, but also over the
centuries it's applied to Christians. Says, by pretending to be
a Christian, he doesn't violate duc trinl or moral law. So,
in other words, pretty much the same thing as takiya
in yeaham yeah, all right, it says here with Seth Dillon,

(22:45):
he was part of the heated meetings with Kirk and
Ackman in the Hamptons.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
So it's.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Now you had a you had an interesting comment while
we were texting back and forth about talking about this,
how did you describe this?

Speaker 4 (23:03):
So this looks like a The first thing that came
to my mind is this is a meta cathedral specifically
tailored for the right wing. And by that, I'm sure
your audience is familiar with a Curtis Jarvin his idea
of the cathedral, which is just the ecosystem of narrative,

(23:23):
narrative creation with the higher education, the political system, and
the media. And I promise I'm not doing a Curtisy
Yarvid depression. And yeah, but if you look at the
types of people in this article, they all represent a

(23:50):
faction of this, this decentralized ecosystem that happens to line
up perfectly with a stated goal. And instead of the
furthering of progressivism, it's the furthering of Israeli interests. And
I you know, I guess you could describe the parts

(24:15):
of this cathedral as the donors, the platforms, and the influencers.
Does that make sense. You'll make your idea on it too.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
But as as people have said throughout Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
Ever since they heard the term cathedral come from from
Jarvin was yeah, really, it's a better term the synagogue.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Yeah, well.

Speaker 4 (24:52):
Yeah, I don't think Jarvin would uh like the application
to be universalized in this way. But yeah, I mean,
you got your conservative think tanks, your donor networks, your
media platforms, tp us A being a being a media platform.
When any when anybody gets off the reservation, the cathedral

(25:15):
that we know and love right now we have seen
has no problem sicking their sicking their antibodies on it.
And that's either in the form of you know, going
off into the sunset, permanent retirement, or even violence. So
it's and again this is all circumstantial, and it's it

(25:39):
all points. It points pretty well in in the direction
that the that the author talks about. But Charlie was
starting to become a disease. And you cannot you can't
have even the entertaining of the question of Israel's existence,

(26:04):
let alone you know, the Israel Palestine conflict, the influence
of Jewish people in our society. You just can't have that.
And even inviting the question was a It's not it's

(26:25):
not ridiculous to say that they would kill him for
just inviting that question.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Yeah, it seems to me that the his whole Charlie's
whole thing about I will talk to anybody. They don't.
They don't line up with that.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
No, not at all.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
Yeah, So having being like, oh, you know, Tucker Carlson's fine,
you know, I'll have Tucker Carlson speak at my event.
And it wasn't only Tucker Carlson speaking at the event.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
For people who.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Don't realize this or haven't watched his speech, it was
the reaction he was getting when he was slamming Israel.

Speaker 4 (27:10):
Yes, about eighty twenty in the crowd cheering him.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Young young people are turning on Israel. Young people are
starting to make Jewish jokes. Young people are starting to,
you know, use Jewish tropes that our grandparents and great
grandparents used.

Speaker 4 (27:31):
It's it's not only that this started a while ago,
when when Charlie would have his change my mind booths
and he would you know, he'd bank on getting like
these stupid college.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
That was I think that was I think I don't
think Charlie had to change my mind.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
I think that was crowder.

Speaker 4 (27:50):
But he would you would have an open forum where
people could ask him questions, and you know, he would
get the typical stupid college lefties that would you know,
why do you hate transgender and those were like low
hanging fruit, easy to pick off. But then he started
to get you know, people we would say are grouper's

(28:11):
and start getting questions about you know, Jewish influence and
foreign policy, and questions pointed at Israel. And that was
the only time that these young people ever saw saw
him squirm. So, I mean, you can't have that either,
But what do you do about that?

Speaker 1 (28:33):
So July eleventh through thirteenth was the TPUSA event when
Tucker Carlson spoke and Dave Smith had that you know,
had that debate with Josh Hammer, and apparently from the
timeline the they didn't like Tucker talking about the Epstein

(28:56):
files and how the Epstein files needed to be released.
And then the following days after that, says Kirk, was
bombarded with angry messages from his pro Israel backers. So yeah,
I mean, his his ideology of hey, you know, open
conversation just you know, leads to more freedom, well, and

(29:18):
not everybody believes that, Charlie.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
Yeah, no, that is more freedom is not the goal.
I mean what I've learned is that free speech to
me is being on a platform and having a thousand
of us have the ability to reply to some idiot
and call them a retarded fagot a thousand times. That
is free speech. And TPUSA was not about that. It

(29:49):
was you had you had your safety bumpers, and they
were all centered around Israel, and you cannot remove those
safety bumpers without consequences.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
So August fourth through fifth was the Hampton's meeting and
Blumenthal Max Blumenthal, who reported on this, said Akman hammered
Kirk for platforming critics of Israel at TPUSA events. Ackman,
according to multiple sources, had this meeting to basically bully

(30:21):
Charlie into submission. Charlie walked away, according to one person,
feeling like this where there was an attempt to blackmail him.
He refused offers of funding and also refused to offer
to travel to Israel and meet with net Yahoo personally.
And during that meeting Netya who spoke personally to Kirk
on the phone inviting him to Israel and offering him

(30:42):
one hundred and fifty million to bolster TPUSA, and apparently
Kirk said no, Yeah, he declined and that is one
thing that they don't understand. They don't understand you not
taking the money.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
Yeah, you have to be mentally ill, you have to
be incompetent.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
You have to be an anti Semite.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
Yeah, but they are starting, like even Netan Yahoo is
starting to understand that the generation's coming up. He is
on a timeline. I mean he as he as a Lakudnik.
He knows he's on a timeline. Anyways, as as soon
as peace actually happens, he's he's out and he's probably

(31:28):
getting brought up on trial for war crimes. I've talked
about this on TL quite a few times. But more
than that, the unequivocal support for Israel in our political
system is on a timeline, a slightly longer timeline. We
gotta wait for the boomers to die off. We gotta

(31:49):
wait for, you know, the the members of my generation
to be crushed. And yeah, and that's I think they're
well aware of it, especially now in the last two months,
they became acutely aware of it. And that's why you're
starting to see, Oh, guess who owns TikTok, Now, guess

(32:10):
who owns Oracle? Guess who's continuing to get billions, hundreds
of billions of dollars in government contracts and AI contracts.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
Palenteer. So, I think the.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
Shift now is to get people to go from hostile
to apathetic, and you're starting to see that with certain
members of Ben Shapiro's group.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
So the day after that meeting, Charlie went on Meghan
Kelly went live with Meghan Kelly and complained about the
repulsive ways he was treated, naming Josh Hammer, you know,
naming him and stating that as an executive director at TPUSA, quote,
I have less ability to criticize Israeli government and actual

(33:01):
Israeli is due and that's really really weird. So yeah, yeah,
I mean it's true, it's true. I mean there's no
there's no as far as I know, there's no law
in Israel against criticizing the government. And they have ridiculous

(33:23):
size protests all the time, protesting Lakud.

Speaker 4 (33:27):
Oh yeah, well they did on up until October sixth
of twenty twenty three.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Oh no, they still have them.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
Oh they do.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, we just don't. We don't see them,
just like we don't see the damage that it ran
did to did to Israel in the bombings Jesus. Yeah.
Then about a week after Charlie was on, Megan Kelly
Harrison Smith from Info Wars sweeted, I was told by
someone close to Kirk, Charlie Kirk that Charlie thinks Israel

(33:57):
will kill him if he turns against him. The tweet
drew little attention until after Kirk's death, when Smith confirmed
it and Max Bluemouth all stated that he had heard
the same from another source. So, I mean, that's just
basically hearsay, but you know it's rather interesting.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
Put it on the pile.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
Well, and this next one is is very important. So
on August twenty seventh, Kirk invited Marjorie Taylor Green to
speak at the next Turning Point Annual America Fest conference,
plan for December of this year. Green is known for
her opposition to the power of APAC and American politics,

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and her demand that APAC be registered as a foreign agent.
Kirk had previously addressed the APAC question as in as
in a July twenty twenty five debate with TPUSA chapter leaders.
And you know what I will say is I mean
immediately there, I mean, this had to have gone out
from Tel Aviv immediately when she started speaking out against Apak.

(35:02):
This thing went out that she is doing insider trading
and made herself rich, which has been debunked numerous times
because it's well known. I mean, you know, my wife
is from is from her district and it's not her
family owns a construction company, like one of the biggest
construction companies in Georgia.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
Yeah, she recently she recently had kind of a heel
turn about uh, wanting to loosen up on the deportations
for the purposes of cheap labor.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Right, Yeah, I heard that, Yeah, something like that. Yeah,
I mean, I don't know, I haven't looked I haven't
looked into it. I heard that that was being said,
but yeah, I've been I'm in paying a lot of
attention to current events. So I need to go down
a rabbit hole and see exactly what she was saying
and how it's being construed.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
So but yeah, and this is she had released screenshots
of Charlie saying you should speak at Amfest. Would you
want to also do a debate about Apak, et cetera.
Not with me, no pressure, will do whatever you want. So,
I mean, if Charlie's tweeting at her saying you can
do a debate about how you think you know, I

(36:19):
mean what he's saying is and I'll he how you
don't think a PAK is good for America. I'm fine
with it. Yeah, because that's what she says. That's what
she tells Tucker.

Speaker 4 (36:31):
Yep, just opening up the question again.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
So two days before he shot, Kirk interviews Ben Shapiro,
who I mean we Yeah. He discussed Israel's bombing of Katar,
quoted approvingly the distrust by some of his friends, possibly
Tucker Carlson in the mainstream narrative on Israel, and stated

(36:57):
that he doesn't like bbnet Yawho's statement, you can't be
maga if your anti Israel. Just think about the absurdity
of that narrative.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
I mean, it's a very convenient narrative and there's a
lot of armies that will run with that.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Do you think there it is?

Speaker 1 (37:19):
Stormy has been making this point, and Astral has been
making this point recently. That is the support for Israel
that we hear about from, you know, like evangelicals.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
Is it overstated? Because I mean, in my experience talking
with people older than me, they have this mental block
where they will agree with you, you know, the the you
know Trump voters, they will agree with you about everything

(37:56):
to do with foreign policy, with soft even with religion,
like fellow Catholics. But they have this mental block with
Israel where and I think it stems from just the.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
Global war on terror.

Speaker 4 (38:15):
They're you know, giving an inch to Islam or Muslims
is a non starter. And for some reason they think
that Israel is helping us to I guess fight them
over there. They still have that it's so ingrained that propaganda.

(38:37):
If we don't fight them here, we have to fight
them over there. And they view Israel as like our
protector that absorbs all the Islamic terror. And I don't know,
no matter how much I press them on it, and
I don't press them that much because they're my friends
and co workers, but they can't get over that disconnect.

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And that's just my experience. The fifty fifty something sixty
something Trump voters.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
You know, even like Little.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
I mean, I'm in I'm in the middle of the
Bible Belt and you're used on about towns that have
two thousand people in it and you have fifteen Baptist churches.
I mean, I'm the tiniest Baptist church I've been to
around here. They don't talk about Israel. Yeah, it's just
there is no support for it, you know. And you

(39:32):
would think that this would be the place, You're thinking,
this would be the place would be the most anti
Muslim and you know, and maybe I have him as
every church maybe there are, but you know, even pretty much, Yeah,
we're going to one. There's one Baptist church here that
we went to for a while and like the pastor
was woke on all this, was woke on Israel. And

(39:52):
how you know he was he pretty much understood the JQ. Yeah,
I mean, and he's in the and he's in rural
Alabama pastoring a church. So I don't know.

Speaker 4 (40:04):
I wonder if there's a divide between the mega churches
and the smaller parishes.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's the megachurches, man, I really do.
I think it's a church as like Adam Curry goes to.
So he has to get on his show and you
do everything he can to run interference, and you know,
it's it's the British.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
It's the British.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
No, it's Katar.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
So hours after the exchange between Shapiro and Kirk Shapiro
went on the Mark Levin Show Mark Levin, it turns
out is probably he's probably one of the most vile
people on the planet.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
Oh yeah, no, he's been.

Speaker 4 (40:45):
He's been showing his cards for a little while now,
and I'm honestly surprised he still has a show.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Like like the shit that he says, if you were
to say the same tone in the same language, you know,
and I know this is oh imagine if the roles
were reversed, but like about it, if you were to
talk about Israel and and you know, Jews the way
he talks about Muslims and people who don't support Jews,

(41:16):
you literally get arrested.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
In this country. Yeah, I think at least lose you're banking.

Speaker 4 (41:23):
He was one of the people that you know, talking
talking about rhetorical innovation. He's the one that pushed the
whole Katar money thing.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Yeah, oh yeah, he was big on he was calling
uh Tucker and Tucker Qatar alson. I mean like literally
we know that that Qatar is just basically like the
Switzerland to the Middle East, but.

Speaker 4 (41:47):
Then you need some That's one of the things that
these people bring up is like, well, what about Qatar.
Guitar donates more money into lobbying like American lobbyists than
any other country.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
But they don't.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
Oh no they you know what a they don't and
be they're registered, they're registered under Pharah and you know
who's not.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
Leather Apron Club did a really long video and I
clipped like fifteen minutes of it. All that money is
not coming into the country. Basically, Qatar is building like
foreign campuses for Texas A and M and and other
American colleges in Katar. But the money has to come through,

(42:34):
like they have to register the money, it has to
like show up like on in American ledgers. The money
doesn't come here. They're basically using it to build like
a an American college system in Katar. So the money
doesn't when they say, oh they look how much money
they give to American colleges, The money doesn't go to

(42:56):
American colleges.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
It stays so long.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
They're involved in a lot of construction as well, like
especially infrastructure construction. I think Houston all their new bridges
and concrete work was all done by Katari Katari connected contractors.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
But Qatar, the best that I can tell is that
if you want money, if you're a country like Israel
and you want money funneled to your enemies and you
don't want people to know, you send it to people
in Qatar, and Qatar sends it to Hamas, just like
Yahoo was doing by propping up Hamas. You know, so

(43:41):
all right, Shapiro tells Mark Levin. Shapiro speaking to Mark
Levin right after he speaks to Charlie Kirk. You can't
be a leader on the right if you think the
president is covering up a Masad rape ring or struck
Iran for Israel. I mean, we read this, we read this,

(44:02):
and we think this is comical.

Speaker 4 (44:06):
Yeah, good, good luck with that, but you know, and
then it and then it works on the gen xers
and boomers, yeah, and millennials, I got assume.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
Yeah, yeah, all right. September ninth, day before Kirk's assassination Martyrdom,
around three point thirty to four pm Eastern time, Charlie
exchanged messages on a WhatsApp group chat with seven other people,
including Josh Hammer, pastor Rob McCoy, and probably Rabbi Wallicky.

(44:38):
Kirk was obviously in a combative mood. Although punished for
having invited Carlson he was now thinking of inviting Candace.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Quote.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
I cannot and will not be bullied like this, leaving
me no choice but to leave the Pro Israel cause.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
End quote.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Candace revealed this exchange on October seventh and shamed McCoy
and Hammer for having lied when denying its existence. She
is vindicated by Andrew Colvett, executive producer of TPUSA, since
Colvet reported this exchange to the FBI after Kirk's death,
he must have been part of the WhatsApp group and
it is certainly him who communicated it to Candice. Charlie

(45:20):
says here in one of these Jewish donors play into
all the stereotypes. I cannot and will not be bullied
like this, leaving me no choice but to leave the
Pro Israel cause. Same day day before he shot, two
hours after that exchange, from six to seven pm, Kirk
had a one hour zoom meeting with Rabbi Willicky, Josh Hammer,

(45:40):
Mickey McCoy, who's Kirk's chief of staff, and a few others.
In an interview he gave on September thirteenth. This is
that's three days after Charlie's shot. To the New York Post,
and in later video appearance dated October ninth, well Licky
said he was concerned that many of Kirk's fans were
turned on Israel and there were prominent people actively working

(46:04):
to get him to drop his support for Israel. Kirk was,
according to Williky, in a combative mood and playing the
role of devil's advocate, which, in view of Kirk's messages
the day before, must be understood as Willicky's euphemistic presentation
of Kirk telling him and Hammer to go to hell.

Speaker 4 (46:23):
It's amazing how having a disagreement with Jews is the
exact same thing as actively working to erode support for Israel.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
No, dude, it's another holocaust. It's literally another holocaust. September ninth,
at nine oh five pm, two hours after his Zoom
meeting with Kirk, Josh Hammer retweeted approvingly a twelve year
old tweet by Trump saying should be public execution for
all to see. You will end this bullshit fast. Since

(46:53):
the context of Trump's original tweet is irrelevant, and since
Hammer was a key participant in all the communication with
Kirk that day, the SAP chat in the Zoom meeting
this week can reasonably be interpreted to as referring to
Kirk's public execution the next day, and thereby indicative of
Hammer's fore knowledge. I won't go to I won't say

(47:14):
all that, but man, it's really fucking weird.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
Yeah, yep.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
It's September tenth. Kirkushot dead on the campus of Utah
Valley University in Oorum, Utah at twelve twenty three, hours
after Kirk's death, Hammer again cryptically tweeted public execution, echoing
his tweet of the day before, suggesting that he was
cryptically taking a responsibility for Kirk's assassination once again. That

(47:41):
is Gigno. That is Ganno's understanding and how he sees
the tweets. I'm not saying anything. Yeah, yeah, okay.

Speaker 4 (47:54):
The lizard brain part of me is like, nah, that's
that's going a little too far.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
But hours after Kirk's death, net Yah, who eulogized Kirk
in an ex tweet and referred to his phone conversation
with Kirk.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
I spoke to him only two weeks ago and invited
him to Israel. Sadly that visits will not take place.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
The implication being that he was definitely wanting to.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Go September twelfth, two days after the assassination, a mid
mounting rumors that Israel was behind Kirk's assassination Netanyah, who
booked himself on Newsmax to declare those rumors insane.

Speaker 4 (48:37):
What an odd thing to say.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
It's what why would you do that?

Speaker 1 (48:48):
It was something we were talking about this on the
Inquisition the other day. It's like, if you get accused
of something, the best thing to do is shut up. Yes,
is don't address it, and they can't. He can't do that,
and yeah, who can't do that? And I don't think

(49:08):
I think since October seventh, I don't think Jews in
general can do it. I think October seventh was some
kind of activation, was some kind of We've seen it
before in history. If you study history.

Speaker 4 (49:21):
Hacking their neuroticism, well.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
This happens where it's just there's it's almost like the
spirit of the age changes. I have been saying since
September seventh that that was or was it October seventh?
October seventh, I've been saying since October seventh that it's
just a change.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
We changed the spirit of the age.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
We're in a new age now, and you know, nothing's
ever going to be I said, this is going to
be the conversation going forth. And I don't like to
make predictions because I think people who make predictions just
want who there. I think they're trying to build themselves
up to something they're not, and then when the prediction
doesn't come true, they have to go into rationalization mode.

(50:07):
But I mean, I'm on, you can listen to podcasts
from back then. I'm saying this changes everything, and this
will be a conversation going forward.

Speaker 4 (50:16):
We can observe its rhetorical use in the last couple
of years that it's it's trying to take the place
of the Holocaust narrative for the new generations. That's all
this is. That's all it is. I think you want
to know something funny. Guess what my anniversary is?

Speaker 2 (50:34):
What is it?

Speaker 4 (50:35):
October seventh, twenty twenty three, baby, best day of my life.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
You got married on that day, didn't you?

Speaker 3 (50:42):
I did? Yeah, yep.

Speaker 4 (50:44):
And then we went took our honeymoon in Greece while
there were missiles flying around.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
You know what? You know?

Speaker 1 (50:51):
My anniversary is what one ten?

Speaker 3 (50:56):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Yeah, I'll just leave that out there. My wife said,
I wanted to be something that you can remember. I'm like,
I'll remember one sent yeah. So yeah, and so basically
this is when it comes to if you if you

(51:19):
want to if you want to decide, I guess then
you have to take into consideration. Okay, you know who
is Tyler Robinson and what did he do that day?
And what did he why did he do this? What
is he saying? Is is he saying anything?

Speaker 3 (51:39):
Is?

Speaker 2 (51:39):
What is going on here?

Speaker 4 (51:41):
Are you talking about the text thread? Because that was
the text thread that Cash Patel released or they had
like a conference on it where they read through it.
And that was the first thing that got my wheel spinning.
Just how disingenuous and robotic. It sounded like, we know

(52:03):
the types of people that that are, like Tyler Robinson
just terminally online furry freaks and you know, in a
hermetically sealed positive feedback loop known as a group chat
that we can all relate to.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
But you know, just.

Speaker 4 (52:21):
In the direction of complete evil nihilism, and uh, that
didn't sound like those types of people talking with one another.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
It was very It was very theater kid. Yeah, you
know my love saying stuff like my love and everything
like that. I mean, yeah, I know, that. You know,
people say, oh, you know a lot of kids are
just basically theater kids now, But yeah, that just doesn't. Okay,
I just killed a high profile you know, figure on

(52:54):
the right and American politics, and I'm as calm as
can be.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
And you know, I.

Speaker 4 (53:01):
Even like the grammar and the syntax like, yeah, the
inconsistent use of like contractions like I have just killed somebody,
and like the complete the inconsistent use of like abbreviations
that we all use in regular texts and group chats,

(53:22):
like I don't know, it seemed like AI generated, but
I don't know. That's just that's the first thing that
got my wheel spinning.

Speaker 1 (53:30):
It was very wooden. The thing that really started to
the thing that I questioned the most. I'm not saying
I know what happened, but here's what the first thing
I thought was, Okay, it's a two hundred yard shot.
It wasn't a two hundred yard shot. It was one

(53:50):
hundred and forty yard shot. And I'm thinking to myself, well,
you has this person ever looked down a scope before
or and like you know, trained it on someone another
human being? You know, how how calm would he be?
What is he giving a second thought. How how proficient

(54:14):
is he with this weapon? Okay, had I don't even
care about that anymore, and I haven't. I haven't cared
about that in a while, because I found out through
just I look this up all the time to see
if it's changed. Tyler Robinson walks through the door onto
that roof, and sixty seconds later he's climbing down off

(54:39):
of that roof.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Yeah, do you see it? Do you see a problem
with that?

Speaker 3 (54:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (54:47):
As somebody who is as somebody who's shot. I'm sure
you've shot a rifle. I'm sure you've shot a scope rifle.
I'm sure you've probably shot one off a tripod. Do
you see any now, I'm sure you well, I don't.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
Know that that's some next level breathing control.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
Yeah, you're you're sort of a crazy guy. I don't
know if you've ever shot somebody. You know it assassinated
somebody from hundred and forty yards in a public place,
you know, at an at an angle, at a downward angle.
But sixty seconds you climb up on the roof, You
get there, you get in position, you get your rifle ready,

(55:24):
you train, you shoot him in the neck, kill shot
and then all within sixty seconds, you're climbing back down
off the roof.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
You get disassembled, rifle ready right.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
Well, now they're saying, well, whenever I've said that before,
and people are well, you know, no, no, he had
he had it in his pants, or he had it
covered or something. Okay, fine, I'm perfectly fine with that.
He didn't disassemble. Okay, Still sixty seconds up on that roof.
Is this guy a fucking pro? I mean, would tell me,
maybe someone can tell me who is a pro who's

(55:59):
assassinated people at distance in the middle of the day
from a roof in public. If you had sixty seconds
to set up, and if you had sixty seconds to
go through a door, go across a roof, the full length,
the full length across a roof, get in position, shoot

(56:19):
kill shot, and then you're climbing down off.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Of the building.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
Is sixty to sixty seconds sound plausible? It just doesn't
sound plausible to me that that's the part of the
story of his story the note, yeah, of course. But
the part of the story that gets me is that
he could do that all in sixty seconds if he
wasn't some kind of insanely trained pro which he wasn't.

(56:46):
So my question is how there's every time something like
this happens, I'm being asked and things come to light
that just seem to be impossible, you know, you know,
like you know that three planes could fly into the

(57:08):
friggin the two planes could fly into the most protected airspace,
and another plane could fly into even more protected airspace
and no one shoots it down and they're just allowed
to fly. I'm being asked to trust, to trust too
much in Oh, this was an anomaly. This, It's always

(57:30):
a fucking anomaly.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (57:33):
And then when you point that out, you're being asked
to suspend your disbelief or else.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
Yeah, or else you're crazy. And it's like, look, I'm
not even saying. I'm not here saying that Israel killed
Charlie Kirk. I'm saying that dude was up on a
fucking roof for sixty total seconds. And if you watch
the video of him getting up on the roof, the
door he goes through is all the way on the
other side of the roof where he fired the shot from.
So then he has to walk all the way across

(57:59):
the roof, gets set up train, you know, train a
scope take the shot and then start climbing down. I'm
just saying, I'm sorry, I'm saying that either that's a
bullshit story or he was up there for longer, but
I'm being told, no, it's definitely sixty seconds. So you know,

(58:22):
I'm being told, and I'm being told he was definitely
up there for sixty seconds.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
And you better believe that he.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Was able to do all of this, and do all
of this on his own with no help from anyone
else that we're being told of. And if I don't
believe that, I'm a kook.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
Yeah, yep.

Speaker 4 (58:45):
And no matter how big the mountain gets of circumstantial evidence,
it's still just a little bit beyond the pale for
the average person to even consider the questioning the official story.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
Yeah, and here's the thing, Okay, so let's play. Let's
play into the into what people are saying, and I
mean what normies are saying. They're literally I mean, I'm
hearing stories from people who are like, yeah, nomy normies,
I know, not even NORMI Khans like normies, or like,

(59:22):
oh yeah, Israel did this, This was Israel.

Speaker 4 (59:28):
See the normies I talked to say he was a Democrat,
which is just infuriating. It is absolutely infuriating, like that
he was a Democrat narrative stuck with so many people
that I know, and I I just it's all I
can do not to launch into a tirade to scare

(59:49):
the shit out of them and say, do you know
how many group chats with kids just like him exist
in the world and have existed since the internet was a.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
Thing you're talking about, Tyler Robinson, Yeah, yep, I mean
I think Charlie was.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
A Democrat, but.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
Oh he was a lib.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
I mean he was definitely a I mean, he was
a liberal. He thought that he could talk to people.
He thought that, oh, you know, the Enlightenment and you know.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
Oh no, no, I'm saying Tyler Robinson.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Yeah, yeah, he was a lib. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
I like the the one device that I like that
my friend carl Doll does. He's a he's my guy
to go to on the Spanish Civil War. He he
doesn't care if it's an anarchist or a communist or
a Republican in the Spanish Civil War. He calls him
all lib tuards because then he goes to explain how

(01:00:51):
they wanted to basically kill half of the Catholics in Spain.
And what he's doing by that is he's basically saying, look,
I don't care what what flavor of a liberal, you're
what libtard you're talking about? They all want to kill you.
Yeah yeah, I mean, and I mean, can it be

(01:01:11):
argued now they I mean, look at the way they
celebrated this, I mean openly people were people were fucking
celebrating this on their LinkedIn pages.

Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
Oh yeah, well who owns LinkedIn?

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
Reid Hoffmann? Yeah yeah, yeah, well I mean it does
he still I don't know, but.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
It's you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
You.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
These are hard things to have a conversation about anymore, because, well,
here's a good thing. Okay, so here, let me take
this in an opposite direction. Here's a good thing. People
just don't believe this shit anymore. Man, They don't believe
the official narrative. Like there are a lot of like, yeah,

(01:02:01):
what I thought to myself before like October seventh and before,
but really after October seventh, after I watched all of
this unfold, the way they're playing this, I thought, Man,
the way they can really get Israel back on their
side is they're going to have to pull off another
false flock.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
But the thing is who's going to believe it. Nobody believes.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
I mean, people don't believe anything anymore. They don't believe
the official story.

Speaker 4 (01:02:29):
No no, that died with COVID. Yeah, I think COVID
was the nail in the coffin for some type of
mass casualty event to be attributed to, you know, bad actors,
and then everybody can unite against those bad actors. That
nobody's uniting about anything anymore. You either have you either

(01:02:50):
have potential to recognize what the problem is or you don't.
And then when you become politically aware, you are sifted
from from one side or an other, and those sides
are completely adversarial now.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
So I guess the biggest thing that stands in the
way of the Israel killed Charlie Kirk thing is Tyler Robinson.
That he exists and that he's in jail. What happens
to the I mean, I keep thinking every day that

(01:03:27):
I'm going to wake up and I'm going to read
that Tyler Robinson killed himself in jail. And if that happens,
it's almost like they're in a rock. If if the narrative,
the people who write the narratives are honest, with themselves

(01:03:48):
and just aren't way out over their skis just throwing
shit against the wall sea and what sticks. They have
to realize that if they kill that kid, Nope, that
media everybody's going to run into that Israel killed Charlie Kirk.
But I mean do they even care anymore? Do they
think that they could get away with it somehow, that

(01:04:10):
like they could kill the kid and people would still
be on their side and and believe, Oh, well, you know,
he was just you know, he was a tortured boy
and everything, and you know he realized he killed somebody,
and you know, obviously, you know he he was into
he was into truon, so you know, he's probably he's
mentally ill. But I mean, I just don't see. This

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is what I've seen since October. The Charlie Kirk assassination
is just a continuation of what I've seen since October seventh.
They've completely lost the narrative, Like it doesn't matter, it
doesn't matter that the people that you talk to support Israel.
What's really what's more important is is that people with

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huge amounts of money and platform support Israel. Oh yeah,
that Tucker Carlson, that Tucker Carlson supports Israel, that Marjorie
Taylor Green supports Israel, that Thomas Massey supports Israel, that
Candas Owen supports Israel. And people couldn't say all they
want about how Candas owns is a clown. She's you know,
she's insane, dude. She is out there frigging j pilling

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like middle class women on a daily basis. Middle class
women are talking about how they Yeah, I'm hearing people saying, yeah,
my mom listens, my mom watches canvas every day. Now,
It's like, I mean, look, I don't care how they
get how people get get j pilled.

Speaker 4 (01:05:38):
I think I think that might be a function of
just wives and girlfriends inevitably assume the political identity of
their their their husbands or boyfriends.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
I've another thing that I've taken as saying that has
made some people crazy when I say it is the
dating period is only to find out if you're if
your potential wife is going to adopt your politics, because
if she doesn't adopt your politics, you're getting divorced.

Speaker 4 (01:06:12):
Yeah, And I think that was definitely a factor in
the dating game. In twenty nineteen, when I was still
in the dating game. That was definitely a factor.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
Yeah, you can't.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
I don't see how you can survive in house sharing
a bed with somebody who is like, you know, if
you're fantastasized. Yeah, if you're all the way over where
we are and they're all the way they're like secretly celebrating,
you know, Charlie Kirk's death.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
Well you know you shouldn't. Yeah, I mean, what do
you do.

Speaker 4 (01:06:52):
Now there's a fundamental mismatch in your foundational morality, and
marriages don't survive that, or relationships don't. Any relationship doesn't
really survive that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
Yeah, I think that that's really really important. I mean, yeah,
this pisses a lot of people off, but I mean,
women just don't have political agency. One of the reasons
why we're in the we're in the situation we're in
is because women are in politics. There are female politicians,
I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:07:30):
Their own devices. They gravitate towards power, and that power
and not to sound like a Lulbert, but that power
is the state.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
Yeah, you know, and you you throw a woman into
college and you know, at best, they don't come out
of flaming, purple haired, insane person they come out.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
A girl boss. Yeah, and a girl.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
Boss is fucking it is the kind of Oh, I
need to become a politician and I need to change things.
It's like, well, show me a show me a hardcore
right wing you know, female politician Marjorie that's not Marjorie
Taylor Green. No hardcore hardcore right winger.

Speaker 3 (01:08:22):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
I remember telling people like this conversation with this, and
it just really goes to show how conservatives how Trump.
Like when Trump ran, he a bunch of people who
had never like paid attention to politics other than like

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on a very superficial level, became political. But like the
only they didn't start reading books. They didn't like pick
up Eric Voglin or you know, like James Burnham or
you know, even like you know, read the federalist papers.
They started watching the news. And I remember talking to

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someone in like twenty twenty and we're talking about Biden,
you know, writing for election, and I'm like, and yeah,
he called Biden a communist. And I'm like, Biden's like
a center like center left, and on many days he's
center right. What are you what are you talking about?

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What's a communist? And like he's like you can't say
that Biden is like a centrist everything.

Speaker 4 (01:09:38):
I'm like, yeah, what about the what is what is
the centrist?

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
Yeah, it's like like what was the crime bill? And
these are people who don't even know that, like he
penned the crime bill in the nineties and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
So it's like.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
To go back to this whole you know, this article
and everything. Of course, a bunch of people are going
to when the whole spirit of politics at this time
is I mean a serious friend enemy distinction, existential.

Speaker 4 (01:10:19):
It's it's existential now. And that that's why I'm so
happy to see so many young people posting things like
I don't care about the group chat and a picture
of Charlie Kirk or a picture of what's her name, Eranah. Yeah,

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and this this whole attitude shift towards the debates over
we owe you nothing and now it's an existential conflict.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
Yeah, and these people don't and the left doesn't quote
unquote left doesn't to deal with it. The enemy just
doesn't know how to deal with the fact that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
I said to tell the racist I know, and they
don't know how to deal with it. They don't know
how to deal with the paradigm that they begged for.
They they never thought they would lose. It all goes
back to that they never thought they would lose. And

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that's not to say that we've won, but we are winning.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
Well, we're gonna have to win a lot harder because.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
Because if we don't.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
Yeah, if I mean when the swing back. Yeah, it's
like the lol cows who are like, you know, whenever
you increase the size increase the power of government. The
next time when you're out of power, I'm like, well,
when the fuck do they not increase the size of
government when they're in power?

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
No, COVID.

Speaker 4 (01:11:58):
If COVID didn't blow that apart, I don't know what
will then me. I assume those people are just arguing
in bad faith at that point.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
I mean, either they're arguing in bad faith or that
like that kind of libertarian attitude has just become their
identity and become their morality. Yeah, you know, so they
can't they can't see past it where you know, it's like, okay, well,
you know, I think Trump should become an article to

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president and basically you know, start crushing the worst of
the worst.

Speaker 4 (01:12:36):
Yes, because if he doesn't, then that Lawbard argument of well,
what happens when they get elected again, that lawbird argument
will come about, and that's the response to them is, gee,
you better make sure we don't lose, So stop being
a fuck TRD.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
You know you just I know that we have people
inside the administration who know this. I know this for
a fact because I know people inside the administration. But
it's trying to get there's too much. People want this

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to be done overnight, and I honestly believe it could
be done overnight. But you were gonna you're going to
have to I mean, you're gonna have to cross the
rubicon and you know, not set up camp on the
other side. You're just gonna have to keep going. But
it really proves that the last hundred years of building

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this managerial state, this administrative state, just how hard it
is to deal. I mean, yeah, yeah, I'm not going
to say Biden did this, because Biden didn't do anything
except his pants for for the last three years he
was president. But whoever he had around him, all they
did was I mean, it was a concerted effort to

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put judges, oh yeah, into I mean, did you see
that did you see that number that forty between forty
and sixty percent of the judges in Washington, DC, and
like circuit courts weren't born in this country.

Speaker 4 (01:14:16):
I didn't see that, but again, it's it's not surprising.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
I think think about that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
I mean, it is you're it's Bioleninism one hundred percent
right now. I mean, and that's basically where we're at is.
You know, the problem is is that when the left
does Bioleninism, they put people in there who are just
incompetent enough to like, really fuck shit up. But the
right doesn't really use Bioleninism in the way the left

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uses it. Like the left will also use it. And
I'm using left and right just as an American thing.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
Shut up.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
I know, I'm not in nineteenth century France. And people
who say you can't use left and right anymore, I
mean rarely see Canadian healthcare.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
But you're.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
You're putting What they're doing is they're putting the most
radical people into positions, people who cannot be argued with,
people who you're not going to change their mind. You're
you're taking your most radical people and making them judges,
putting them in charge of ngngos, putting them I mean
and what does the right do with their radical people,

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the people who know exactly what time it is, and
the people who are the ones who look to history
and say, Okay, this is the way, this is the
way we beat them before, this is how we're going
to have to beat them now. They leaked their group
chat and get them fired.

Speaker 4 (01:15:47):
Yep, there is absolutely no friend enemy distinction in conservatism.

Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
I would like to.

Speaker 4 (01:15:55):
Think that, you know, even though we are pretty decentralized,
even though we are kind of a uh, I guess
you could describe it as a thousand competing vertically integrated cathedrals,
and sometimes we get along and sometimes we fight. It's
just a function of I think it's just a function

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of you know, enjoying competition and enjoying hierarchy. But that's
that's one thing that we need to figure out badly.
And I say we, but it's something that you need
to figure out, Pete.

Speaker 1 (01:16:35):
Here's here's from my friends Stormy. I'll share this with you.
The Reagan Caucus saying no, sorry, guys, enough with the excuse.
Is using the FCC to go after your political opponents
is thug behavior. And the same Congress wouldn't put up
with that and what a stormy say. The enemy of
any revolutionary rightist movement is the conservative. The enemy of

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any revolutionary rights movement is the conservative. The enemy of
any revolutionary rightist movement is the conservative.

Speaker 4 (01:17:05):
That's almost a direct mirror of our State and Revolution reading.

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
Imagine that. That's why I released that every once in
a while. Re release that every once in a while. And
it's amazing that people, I assume there are people who
are like, I'm not going to listen to that. I'm
not going to listen.

Speaker 4 (01:17:23):
To give your audience more credit than that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
I hope, So, man, I really do, because you.

Speaker 3 (01:17:31):
Here's I don't give my audience credit, but your audience
is a cut above.

Speaker 1 (01:17:36):
You're openly hostile to your audience, which I am sometimes too.
I've learned too much from you, but.

Speaker 4 (01:17:43):
I'm so hostile. I just stop showing up.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
People don't realize that if they like listen to our
and I'm not saying you have to listen to it,
you can read State and Revolution on your own. It's
one hundred pages. You will know more about communism than
people calling themselves communists.

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
Oh absolutely, that was my whole stick for a while.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
Yeah, yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
You know, it's like Tom, It's like Thomas says, he goes,
they're running around calling like Mandami Mandamia communists and they're
calling all these people communists. It's like a right, So
where are their writings on dialectical materialism?

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:18:25):
Yeah, yeah, like postcolonial theory is just liberalism now, it's
not even I mean, orthodox Marxism is mostly dead. But
I'm in a way, in a sick way, I kind
of I kind of hope it starts resurging. You know,
these No King's protests that are going on today. On
their posters, they have a lot of mark like Marxist

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organizations that are going to be you know, helping out
with organizing and like, I don't know, it'll be interesting.
I don't support it obviously, but it'll be it'll be interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
Yeah, I mean, And to bring it back you were
talking about, you know how it's just basically democracy.

Speaker 3 (01:19:08):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
That's why another book that I read on my podcast
was A Demon and Democracy by Raizar Luguco, because he
just proves in there he shows you know, what the
Marxists were trying to do and what liberalism, what liberalism
turns into. And you know it's like where I think
you and I have said before that basically libertarianism, libertarians

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and Marxists have the same pretty much the same critiques
and they and but the problem with that is they
also have a tendency to view humans in the same
dehumanizing way.

Speaker 4 (01:19:47):
Yeah yep, yeah means instead of ends. Yeah yeah, all right, Well,
thank you for but they're free to go off into
the marsh.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
Just march.

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
March marches are your stuff. But anyway, are you are
you ever going to go back on t L?

Speaker 3 (01:20:11):
Eventually?

Speaker 4 (01:20:11):
I will, Yeah, I think I think my contractual obligations
are going to kick in, and I'm gonna get a
call from h t l's in house legal counsel if
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
He's doing really doing that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
Oh yeah, yep, yep.

Speaker 4 (01:20:27):
He gives uh, he gives us a lot of good
legal advice and sometimes we take it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
Most of the time.

Speaker 3 (01:20:34):
Not or you're free not to.

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
All right, man, I appreciate you, thank you, thank you
very much for having me on. Of course,