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Doctor Johnson, how are you this fine Monday afternoon?

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Oh, it's okay up here. I did the lawn yesterday,
which means, you know, probably tonight it's gonna have to
be done again. You know what strikes me about what
we've been talking about here, the early Bolshevik Revolution almost
completely Jewish, the fall of the Soviet Union almost completely Jewish,

(02:27):
and that as the second aspect of it, is going
to be a topic I'm going to be addressing very soon.
You know, why did the Jews separate from the USSR
in the nineteen seventies, which they did. They're certainly an
economic reason, but there are other reasons too, And once
they separated, what was left became a fairly patriotic you

(02:51):
know that like where Putin came out of a non
Judaic it's still you know, they weren't really marks anymore,
and that's when they got into a lot of trouble.
It makes me laugh. The only time that there were
ever any sanctions on the USSR was over the Jewish
question their immigration in the Jackson Vanic Amendment. But it

(03:17):
strikes that both sides of the Revolution. The revolution has
ended in the twenties and the nineties are both loaded
with Jews from top to bottom.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
All right, let's continue picking up where we left off
last time. In the beginning of April, the provisional government
issued and ordered by telegraph to free without individual investigation,
all Jews previously exiled as suspects of espionage. Some of
them resided in the now occupied territories, while others could

(03:49):
safely return home. And yet many deportees asked for permission
to reside in the cities of the European part of Russia.
There was a flow of Jews into Petrograd Jewish population
fifty thousand in nineteen seventeen, and a sharp increase of
Jewish population in Moscow sixty thousand.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
That's a huge number. That means they had the There
was a possibility of completely dominating the economy. The only
thing that saved the US, sorry the Tzarist Empire here
was the royal control over the currency. I think the
only real competitors they may have had were the old

(04:31):
Believers who moved into the merchant trades on a very
different foundation. They plowed their profits back into their people.
They also had a very strong sense of persecution and
a strong sense of identity. Old believer merchants is almost,
you know, a common thing. I have a book on
this topic, by the way, on the Old Believers in general,

(04:54):
and that's probably the only company. You know, fifty thousand
in nineteen seventeen in Saint Petersburg. That's more than enough
to control many elements of Uh, what was what was
going on? I don't think they made a huge difference,
whether it was the Council of Soviets, whether it was

(05:18):
the Amenseoviks with the Bolsheviks or anyone in between. They
had one agenda. And if anyone listened to my well
I recorded, uh Saturday night, it won't come on until Thursday. Uh,
you know, on this, you know, on this very topic,

(05:40):
and that might be worth it listen. But but these
numbers are huge for the time. But don't forget there
was They were able to live wherever they wanted before this.
You know, I've been I've been reading lenin a lot
of Latin recently, and just the dishonesty, all the stuff
we've been talking about, the pogrims and everything else. He

(06:01):
just ramps it up and uses all these very vague abstractions.
The Russian worker. He's talking about the party, but rather
than say the party, he means the Russian worker. He
says the Russian worker. There were no Russian workers involved.
Lenin was aware at this point, well in another another

(06:25):
few months anyway, that he was a tiny minority in
the Bolshek Party, and probably was at the time. He
had to tread very carefully. Whenever he wrote in the Jews,
he sounded like an idiot because it was all special pleading.
You know, Lenin is writing on the Jewish question is

(06:47):
is It's almost funny if it didn't lead to so
many people being murdered. And that's exactly what they were
doing at the time when this from from from this
point the takeover, the Civil War and right up practically
until the nineteen seventies. It was a concerted destruction of

(07:10):
Russia in particular. But they would use nationalisms like the
Baltics or Ukraine. They would create those when it suited them,
just like now, you know, the regime doesn't care about
Ukrainian nationalism. It's as convenient right now. So on Thursday

(07:32):
and Radio Albion listen to my show. Clearly it's based
on some of the stuff we've been talking about in
a summary way, and you know it's you know, basically
it comes down to the topic. Is everyone talks about

(07:53):
the laws that Lenden passed again anti Semitism, but don't
really ever cites them and talk about it all the
time in fact, but no one mentions that. Says, well,
I go through the ma all from essentrallyeen nineteen eighteen,
nineteen nineteen when they were first promulgated to just after
Lenin's death, and what they meant and how they were

(08:16):
interpreted later on. That's what I'm talking about here, because
you know, they knew that they were taking over, but
they couldn't have anyone talking about it here. They were
just not in that position yet, even though Jews were
everywhere in the Menshevik government, but not quite like it was.

(08:37):
From November on.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Russian Jews received less numerous, but highly energetic reinforcement from abroad.
Take those two famous trains that crossed hostile Germany without
hindrance and brought to Russian nearly two hundred prominent individuals,
thirty in Lenin's and one hundred and sixty and Natansen
Martov's train with Jews comprising an absolute majority. Passengers of

(09:00):
the Extra extra Territorial Trains were for the first time
published by v Bertsev. They represented almost all Jewish parties
emertually all of them would play a substantial role in
the future events of Russia. Hundreds of Jews returned from
the United States, former emigrants, revolutionaries and draft escapees. Now

(09:22):
they all were the revolutionary fighters and victims of Tsarism.
By order of Kerensky, the Russian Embassy in the USA
issued Russian passports to anyone who could provide just two
witnesses to testify to identity, literally from the street. The
situation around Trotsky's group was peculiar. They were apprehended in
Canada on suspicion of connections with Germany. The investigation found

(09:44):
that Trotsky traveled not with flimsy Russian papers, but with
a solid American passport, inexplicably granted to him despite his
short stay in the USA, and with a substantial yeah
and with a substantial sum of money, the source of
which remained the mis history a mystery. On June twenty second,
at the Exalted Russian Rally in New York City, directed

(10:07):
by P. Ruttenberg, one time friend and then a murderer
of gapone Abraham Kagan, the editor of Jewish newspaper Forwards.
Wow they're still around. The editor of Jewish newspaper Forwards
addressed Russian Ambassador bakmtev On behalf of two million Russian

(10:28):
Jews residing in the United States of America. We have
always loved our motherland. We have always sensed the links
of brotherhood with the entire Russian nation. Our hearts are
loyal to the red banner of Russian liberation and to
the national tricolor of the free Russia. He had also
claimed that the self sacrifice of the members of the
Nara Volya literally the people as well as terrorists left

(10:52):
wing revolutionary group in Tsarist Russia, best known for his
assassination of Tsar Alexander the Second known as the Tsar
Liberator for ending serfdom, was directly connected to the fact
of the fact of increased persecution of the Jews and
that people like Zandalovich, di Deitsch, Gershuni Jewish Ibramovich were

(11:15):
among the bravest.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
I don't even know. Sometimes I don't know what to
do with paragraphs like this. It would it depends on
my energy level at the time. Of course, you know,
the Bolsheviks hadn't taken over yet. This is still the
provisional era. World War One is still going on. The

(11:40):
trains that brought the you know, Jews were in nineteen hundred,
Jewish males were one point one percent of the population
of the Russian Empire. Given what was asked of them
in the early Soviet era, you know, there weren't enough
Jews to so and there certainly weren't enough Rusians to

(12:01):
fill these roles. They didn't trust them anyway, so they
were busting them in, so to speak, from all over
the place. Trotsky showed up. I think I mentioned the
Canada thing. Of course, he got the passport from a
shift associate that was paid for and everything. He came

(12:21):
with with a bunch of I don't know, a small
army of Jews from Brooklyn. He worked at, of course,
a newspaper like Marx worked at a mainstream newspaper when
he was when he was alive writing articles. I mean,
these guys were always in the media, loved by the
media and even writing for it. Martov, of course, who

(12:46):
was the kind of the semi theoretician of the men's
Vics also a Jew. But you know, there's the there's
so much there's so much error, there's so much evil here,
there's so much sickness here. And the frustrating element is

(13:08):
that I know that there are people out there making
a lot of money claiming to be experts on Russian
history who will deny all of this or claim that
it's irrelevant and attack me personally or professionally as a
result of this when the evidence is so blatant. Can
you imagine writing a history of the Russian Revolution and

(13:31):
not mentioning any of this stuff. It's absurd. What are
you getting? You end up getting the same kind of
Maudlin emotional stuff that Lena was writing about the Jews
at the time. Lenin took the stuff from the Jewish
press and just repeated it in his own in his
own work, I cited I don't know if there's an

(13:54):
English version, but Solomon's Schtz who was there at the time,
who eventually split. He actually split with the Soviets because
they didn't kill enough Christians, that the anti anti Semitic
laws weren't harsh enough. And it's absolutely true, and he
fled with Trotsky, and you know, created what eventually would

(14:15):
be the neocon movement, this obsession with the Soviet Union,
but only the Stalinists and Postdalmous Soviet Union, which they
claimed was very different from what had come before, even
though their policies were exactly the same in every way.
I have tried to figure out how Trotsky differed from
Lenin different from Stalin, and I can't. Maybe personalities, you know,

(14:41):
and while Trotsky claimed to be an internationalist, he had
Jews everywhere around him. That can't be a coincident. And
it's just this whole thing that the evil that we're
seeing unfold here really has an effect on normal people,
sensitive people, and normal people.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
And so they had begun coming back, and not just
from New York. Judging by the official introduction of discounted
railroad fare for political political emigrants traveling from Vladivostok. At
the late July rally in Whitechapel, London, it was found
that in London alone ten thousand Jews declared their willingness
to return to Russia. The final resolution had expressed pleasure

(15:23):
that Jews would go back to struggle for the new
social and democratic Russia, destinies of many returnees hurrying to
participate in the revolution and jumping headlong into the thick
of things were outstanding. Among the returnees were the famous
V Volodarsky, m Uritzky and Yu Laren. The latter was

(15:43):
the author of the War Communism Economy program. It is
less known that Jakov Sverdlov's brother V looks like essentially
Benjamin Yeah yeah Yeah, was also among the retorneys. Still,
he would not manage to write higher than the Deputy
Narkom People's Commissioner of Communications and a member of Board

(16:06):
of Supreme Soviet of National Economy, Moise Kartunonov or Karatonov,
Lenin's associate and emigration who returned to Russia in the
same train with him, quickly gained notoriety by assisting the
anarchists in their famous robbery in April. Later he was
secretary of PERM Saratov and Sverdlov Gubkums and the secretary

(16:29):
of Ural's Bureau of the Central Committee. Semyon dimon Stein,
a member of the Bolshevik group in Paris, would become
the head of the Jewish Commissariat at the People's Commissariat
of Nationalities and later the head of Yevsek at the
All Russian Central Executive Committee. He would in fact supervise

(16:50):
the entire Jewish life, even though it was called the
All Russian Central All Russian. Yeah. Amazingly, at the age
of eighteen, he managed to pass qualify cationas has to
become a rabbi and became a member of the Russian
Social Democratic Workers Party. All this and of course one
year similarly, members of the Trotsky's group had also fared.

(17:12):
While the jeweler g. Melenansky, the accountant Freeman, the typographer
A Mincoln Mensin and the decorator Gomberg Zorin had respectively
headed Soviet trade unions Pravda to Dispatch Office of Banknotes
and Securities and the Petrograd Revolutionary Tribunal.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
And these are the people who, when they wrote, claimed
to be speaking for the Russian workers. None of these
people had any connection with them whatsoever. I can't stress
that enough they weren't. The only actual workers were those
of Russian background. There were a handful of them. But

(17:53):
it's easy to forget that the Bolsheviks had to bust
in huge numbers of Jews, and almost exclusively Jews from
the US, Britain, and elsewhere to help staff this this revolution.
They simply didn't trust Russians enough, you know, uh, the Anarki.

(18:17):
Of course, the anarchists are going to be persecuted because
they don't really in the bank robbery. That's fine, you know,
they think they're cut, but that's it. The minute they
took over, they were gone. You know, you can't really
trust them anyway. They were useful. They're in the civil
war in a few places, and that's that's it. This
is you know, this was an alien government in every way,

(18:40):
an anti Russian government in every way it was. It
was very very Orwellian, calling themselves the All Russian Central Committee,
well none of them being Russians. And of course the
fact that almost all of them changed their names suggests
that they needed to show that this wasn't a or

(19:01):
They wanted to show. They were very im misconscious. Bullshiks
were very image conscious, especially in the beginning actually actually
throughout the Soviet Union. They were very concerned with what
the West thought of them. And you know, putting Lennon
up in an the front was important because he wasn't
obviously Jewish, he had such a mess of an ethnic background,

(19:25):
but he wasn't. He wasn't. Do you know he wasn't
you know Elsteine or something like that. He putting him
out in front was one of the ways of saying, oh, yeah,
this isn't. This isn't a Jewish government, despite all of
the ambassadors from England and the Netherlands writing back saying
that this is an ethnic movement and these are the

(19:45):
people who spoke in the name not only of the
workers but the peasants. You imagine these people marching off
to a to a peasant commune. They've never seen a
farming before. They hated this is that's goiamwork. And of
course while it was a semi it was a socialist

(20:08):
form of a traditional Christian form of family based socialism,
which the commune always was. You would think they'd be
happy with that. Well no, because they're not. I don't
care about any of that. It was a Christian thing
that had to be destroyed. And instead they began talking
about the collective farms. What could be called collective farms

(20:31):
the total opposite of the of the communes. Collective farms
were huge, and you know, random families were thrown in
and of course everything collapsed within the next few years,
the Russian economy will go to zero, so to speak.

(20:53):
The economy was doing extremely well right up until nineteen fourteen,
and even after nineteen fourteen. These guys take over for
a short time and it it gets to the point
where they need aid from the West for everything. Well,
I thought the West was anti Communists. They were very
anti Russian, but they lived on American aid for a

(21:19):
long time. Would Wilson was a huge part of that.
You know, I can only imagine being a Russian you know,
farmer at the time seeing this bunch take over. What
the hell is going to happen to me? Were a
Russian worker. They didn't give a damn about the Russian worker.
They then were pressed. The exploitation was beyond belief from

(21:43):
here on in. So obviously exploitation and hence Marxism wasn't
wasn't the issue. It's my theory and I did it
in my book The Soviet Experiment. It was a way
collect or, you know, the central the command economy. Central

(22:05):
planning essentially implies ownership. You know, they owned everything. You
can't plan everything unless you own it or control it.
That that was a way to enrich jewelry beyond, you know,
taking the labor of Russian workers for generations in the past.
And when these guys died, you know, when when Trotsky

(22:25):
was asked, he was what today would be considered a billionaire.
Same thing for all of these guys. They stole, they
had gold, they had gold, rubles, they had everything. They
were incredibly wealthy men because they were part of this revolution.

(22:46):
It had nothing to do with the labor. It had
nothing to do with the workers. The proletariat, the real proletariat,
suffered beyond belief under these people. And somehow we have
to convince you know, normies of that, and frankly, the
entire history of the twentieth century has to be rewritten,

(23:08):
right right from the bottom up.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
Well, I think you upset some low iq Spergs there
by saying Lenin wasn't Jewish, because it seems that some
people have to feel like they have to convince people
that Lenin and even Stalin were Jewish, because I don't
know why.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yes, Stalind definitely wasn't. He went to the Orthodox seminary
for a while. A dgu The first three letters of
his name in English does not mean Jew. The Georgian
word for Jew would be y Israeli, so coming from Israel,
Israel some kind, their pronunciation of it dgu has no

(23:51):
connection to so that's not true. Lenin wasn't Jewish, but
he had Jewish in his background, possibly a Jewish father
or at least in grand but he had it in
his background, but he never identified that way.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Unlike Pronchki, names of other returneyes after the February Revolution
are now completely forgotten, yet wrongly so, as they played
important roles in the revolutionary events. For example, the doctor
of biology Ivan ZELKND had actively participated in the October
coup and then in fact Ran Trotsky's people Commissariate of
Internal Affairs Semyon Kogan Semkoff became the political khmmizaar of

(24:34):
ish Schift's weapons and steel factories in November nineteen eighteen.
That is, he was in charge of the vindictive actions
during suppression of major uprising of Ishvesh workers, known for
its large in many thousands victims toll. In a single
incident on the Sobernaya Square in Ishvesh, four hundred workers

(24:55):
were gone downs.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Talking there good, yeah, yeah, let me cop you there.
This is supposed to be the spokesman for the Proletariat
November nineteen eighteen. They'd been in power roughly a year,
sort of the civil war had just begun. They had
some of the cities, They had Odeshia, they had Petersburg.

(25:19):
Whenever any labor would stick up their heads and complain,
they could gun down. So ours government didn't do that,
at least not without provocation. In this case they were
gunned down. I don't know how anyone could believe that
these people had any concern with workers whatsoever. Socialism was
just a pretext for them to take the products.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Of their labor. Tobinsen Krishna Shechekhov later headed the entire
Far East as the Secretary of the Far East Bureau
and the head of local government Gershfield. Stashevsky, under the
pseudonym Vrkovski, was in command of a squad of German
POWs and turncoats. That is, he laid found a for
the Bolshevik International squads. In nineteen twenty, he was ahead

(26:04):
of the clandestine intelligence at the Western Front. Later, in peacetime, he,
on orders of Czecha Presidium, had organized intelligence network in
the Western Europe. He was awarded the title of Honorary Czechist.
Among attorneys were many who did not share Bolshevik views,
at least at the time of arrival, but they were

(26:26):
nevertheless welcomed into the rank of Lenin and Trotsky's party.
For instance, although Yakub Fishman, a member of the Military
Revolutionary Committee of the October Coup, had deviated from the
Bolshevik mainstream by participating in the Left Socialist Revolutionary Insurrection
in July nineteen eighteen, he was later accepted into the
Russian Communist Party of Bolsheviks and entrusted with a post

(26:47):
in the Military Intelligence Administration of the Red Army. Or
take Yefim Jarchuk, who had returned as an anarchist syndicalist
but was delegated to the Petrograd Soviet to reinforce the
stad Soviet. During the October Coup, he had brought a
squad of sailors to Petrograd to storm the winter Palace

(27:08):
the Retornee Sevlo. I'm not pronouncing that Iichenbaum, the brother
of the literary scholar, was a consistent supporter of anarchism
and the idea and the ide the ideolgist, the ideologist
of Machno, a Ukrainian separatist anarchist movement. He was the

(27:29):
head of the Revolutionary Military SOVIETKNO in the Machno Army.
We know that Machno was more of an advantage than
a detriment of Bolsheviks, and as a result, Volin was
later merely forced to emigrate together with a dozen or
other anarchists.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
The academic establishment will tell you that there were three
sides to the Russians Civil War, the White, the Reds,
and what they call the Greens. There was a kron
all of truth to that. The Greens would be a
Nestor Makknow, who pretended to be Koalasaki was not. They

(28:08):
can still call on one though. Nestor Makno was probably
the best known of that. He had a lot of
misgivings about what the what Lendin was saying, but he
worked for them anyway. Eventually, anyone of these people, you know,
would have been purged regardless. And but but that's just

(28:29):
a way for them to not support the way they
can't support the Reds. Clearly, that would be supporting Stalin
most many of them do. But they really have trouble
with it because coming out and saying the Reds were
right but they certainly can't support the whites, so they
created this third force that they call the Greens, which

(28:51):
they claimed the peasants were involved in, which was was
not true. Well, the whites certainly failed to connect with
the peasant and endless peasant uprisings, but so did these guys.
These guys did know the first thing about peasants, just
like Macno didn't know the first thing about a car stack.
And that's the creation. Really, there's a there's a kernel

(29:11):
of truth to it, but for the most part, it's
it's a creation of the academic establishment that there was
this third side that you know, non non Marxists in
the academy that liberals, i should say, can't accept and
not have to feel bad about supporting the reds. They're liberals,

(29:32):
they're not Marxists, and so this green side is a
way to support or to fight the whites without having to,
you know, give in the supporting the red because of
course they weren't exactly liberal. And it's there's a lot
of books on it now I've read them all, and

(29:54):
beyond that, you know, they do say that a lot
of these guys were not necessar Charley Bolshoviks it really
didn't matter. A lot of them were. They were so pseudointellectual.
They would write about workers and peasants. They had no
idea what was going on in Russia at the time.

(30:14):
But they eventually got with the program. Some of them
were eliminated, but not all of them, not the majority of.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Them, and.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
So the Jewish interest was the main one. Now, over
the years, I have read everything I could in Russian
and English on these different groups, subgroups and the far
left at this period of time, and trying to find
a difference among them, a significant difference that would matter

(30:49):
is very difficult. So I have the feeling that they're
based more on personalities and agendas rather than actual ideological goals.
One of the reasons that the Reds won, and it's
an important reason, was that Lenin and Trotsky enforced total

(31:12):
theological uniformity. These are our goals, and you better go
along with the program. The whites really didn't have a program.
White generals were all over the place. They're all, you know,
disburst among the empire, all fighting on different fronts. Some
were royalists, some were more more liberals, some were against
the monarchy, some were some were very orthodox, some weren't.

(31:34):
They had no firm agenda. There was nothing to fight for,
so at a minimum, they're fighting for a negative We're
going to die to make sure that the Soviets don't
the Reds don't take over. That's not as good as
having a positive program to fight for, like Orthodoxy, that
would have had full support in that game. The best

(31:58):
Russian White generals Compel Dietrichs my two favorites again German names.
They were the strictest Orthodox and the strictest Royalists, and
they did extremely well despite being more minor having smaller armies,

(32:19):
because they had a full agenda that people understood, people
were born and raised with. So by the time the
Civil War was over, they realized that, you know, that
kind of royalists, they had to be destroyed. They had
to be killed. And the peasants that supported them pretty
much all the time, some were old believers, and peasants

(32:43):
were heavily old believers, so that that was a whole
separate issue. But I had to be liquidated because the
best performing of the White armies were those under the
strictest royalist generals like Dietrix, who was a very very
good man.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
The expectations of attorneys were not unfounded. Those were the
months marked by a notable rise to prominence from many
Jews in Russia. Quote the Jewish question exists no longer
in Russia. End quote. Still in the newspaper essay by
d A'sman and Sarah Alperovich, the wife of a merchant
who moved from Mince to Petrograd, had expressed her doubts.
So there is no more slavery and that's it. So

(33:24):
what about the things that Nicholas of yesterday did to
us in kishinev? In another article, David Eisman thus elaborated
his thought. Quote, Jews must secure the gains of revolution
by any means, without any qualms. Any necessary sacrifice must
be made. Everything is on the stake here and all
will be lost if we hesitate. Even the most backward

(33:45):
parts of Jewish mass. Of Jewish mass understand this. No
one questions what would happen if to Jews if the
counter revolution prevails? End quote. He was absolutely confident that
if this happens, there would be mass execution of Jews. Therefore, quote,
the filthy scum must be crushed even before it had
any chance to develop. In embryo there very seed must

(34:07):
be destroyed. Jews will be able to defend their freedom.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
I just said that without realizing it was going to
be in the next in the very next, uh, the
very next paragraph. The Talmutic mentality. You know, you don't
have to be a student directly at the Talmud to
have a Talmutic mentality. You know, Jews still were a
very separate group of people and that way of thinking,

(34:32):
especially you know, the superiority gentile women as prostitutes, gentiles
of as animals occasionally useful animals. But now they didn't
really have to worry what people thought of them. You know,
in the past, you know that, you know they couldn't
carry out you know, the best of the gentiles should

(34:54):
be killed. Well, you really can't do that in Russia
before this, because you know, you would, people would turn
on you. Here, they don't have to do that. There
was no question as to who these people were, which
is why there had to be this list of laws
and decrees from Lenin that Stalin went out of his

(35:14):
way to enforce and mention it to an Israeli sorry,
an American Jewish journalist against anti Semitism and the definition
of anti Semitism back then, Lenin actually said, I still
remember I just did it. So Lenin said, anti Semitism
is spreading enmity against Jews. Now that's the opposite of

(35:37):
a definition. That doesn't tell me anything essentially, anything that
Jews don't like. But the main thing was that you
can't talk about them essentially being in control of the
Red government. They were the workers. The workers fought for Lenin,
The workers fought for Tronticky. Yeah, they may have been

(35:58):
a handful of holdout to you know, like the monarchy. Well,
you know, they're just they need to be educated. But
otherwise the workers fought for us. It's almost a type
of manifesting. They think if they say it enough times,
it's going to be true. But we remember in the
nineteen oh five revolution they had to go into the
factories with rifles and force them to strike. That's the

(36:24):
only way they get them to do it. Again, they
were paid fairly well. Russian workers were paid very well,
especially in relation to Western Europe. So that mentality has
not gone away. And you notice what he says, Nicholas
of yesterday did it to Nicholas killed us in Kishnev.

(36:46):
They really believe that juice. Intellectuals believe that. Let him believe.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Let Lendon said it.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
That's how bad it got, this twisted mentality. Of course
we were innocent victims, We did nothing wrong. But Nicholas
signed a document and sent Henchman out to go kill
Jews for no reason. They really truly believe that, and
it's being preached today every day on the History Channel,
the stupid you know historians on YouTube and all these guys.

(37:19):
But there is not a no basis for any of
that in the actual evidence. That's one of the main
reasons this book is so wonderful once it was translated
into English. Now I read it in the original. These
pieces of it in the original when it when it
first came out and people were talking about it. But

(37:39):
he's uncovering stuff that no one had before. Of the
Union of the Russian people had a lot of this information,
but sold in Easton went to step further and plus
he sold in Eatsen. This is a huge crisis for them.
You couldn't have picked the better book for us to
go this long on because for those two reasons.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
At least crushed in embryo and even their very seed.
It was already pretty much to Bolshevik program, though expressed
in the words of the Old Testament. Yet whose seed
must be destroyed? Monarchists, but they were already breathless. All
their activists could be counted on fingers. So it could
only be those who had taken a stand against the unbridled,

(38:23):
running wild Soviets, against all kinds of committees and mad crowds,
those who wished to halt the breakdown of life in
the country, prudent ordinary people, former government officials and first
of all officers, and very soon the soldier General Kornilov.
There were Jews among those counter revolutionaries, but overall that
movement was the Russian national one. What about press? In

(38:49):
nineteen seventeen, the influence of print media grew. The number
of periodicals and associated journalists and staff was rising. Before
the revolution, only a limited number of media workers qualified
for draft deferral, and only those who were associated with
newspapers and printing offices who were established in the pre
war years. They were classified as defense enterprises. Despite their

(39:10):
desperate fight against governmental and military censorship. But now from
April on the assistance of the publishers, press privileges were
expanded with respect to the number of workers exempt from
military service. Newly found that political newspapers were henceforth also
covered by the exemption, sometimes fraudulently, as the only thing
needed to qualify was maintaining a circulation of thirty thousand

(39:32):
for at least two weeks. Draft privileges were introduced on
the basis of youth for the political emigrants and those
released from exile, everything the favored employment of new arrivals
in the leftist newspaper. At the same time, rightist newspapers
were being closed. Malenkaya Gazetta Nearadnya Gazeta were shut down

(39:54):
for accusing Bolsheviks of having links with Germans. When many
newspapers published the telegram fraudulently attributed to the Empress, and
the fake was exposed, it was an innocent joke of
a telegraph operator lady, for which of course she was
never disciplined, and so they had to retract their pieces.
Bersheievs Vedomosty, for instance, had produced such texts quote. It

(40:18):
turned out that neither the special archive at the main
Department of Post and Telegraph, where the royal telegrams were stored,
nor the head of the Office of Telegraph, contained any
evidence of this correspondence. See they presented it as if
telegrams were real, but all traces of their existence had
been skillfully erased. What a brave free press these revolutionaries

(40:40):
always talk about. This is same in the Color revolutions.
Today it's happening right now. They talk about a free press.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
I think the phrase now is independent press, which is
synonymous with the press controlled by corporate entities who were
overwhelmingly liberal. The Jews had penetrated the media in Russia
for a long time, and the Royalists, I mean the

(41:11):
Orthodox did okay on a religious foundation, but not on
a political one. Not of constuct came came the closest.
But there was no real organist, not until the Civil War,
not until well Dietrix. Uh did you have an explicit
militant organization fighting for the monarchy?

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (41:35):
They had, I said this before, but they just had
no conception of propaganda. The end of Nicholas's reign, he's
still you know, there was no he should have been organizing.
And it was easy for us to say now, but
he should have been organizing royalist groups all over the place.
He was a popular man, youth coups and everything else.

(42:01):
Now the nationalist movements in Europe in the thirties, they
actually did that. They had realized Nicholas's mistake. You know,
he came from a very much older vision of royal politics.
It was orthodox, it was strictly orthodox, it was ethnic.
But otherwise politics were you know, ideologies were vulgar. That

(42:25):
was only for the left. And so you had not
despite the popularity, despite all of Nicholas's achievements in the
Royal family in general, you never had until the Civil
War any kind of Miltont organizations around the country defending
it and fighting for it. Simply didn't happen. So rather

(42:49):
than rather than that, it came out in programs. But
if they had actual Miltont organizations, you wouldn't have programs.
Programs wouldn't have happened, they wouldn't have been as wild
and crazy. The Black Hundreds, of course, Union the Russian people,
they're two very different things, came out in nineteen oh five,
nineteen oh six. They had five hundred thousand members. That

(43:13):
was the closest you can get, and the Royal government
did not support them. Stolepan didn't like them at all.
And during the war, Yeah, you know, saying that there's
a connection with the Alexander was was German, and hence

(43:37):
maybe she's in bed with them, and so they were
shut down. Actually good newspapers for stuff like this, you know,
and in this intervening period before the Bolshevik takeover, they
were building their press foundation and they had no real opposition.
It was terrible the frustration, you know. Now, after the

(43:58):
Civil War was over, an exile, you had book after
book after book. I have them all here on Russian
royalism and everything, but not before then. It's it's it's
a it's a shame. I don't know what else to
say about.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
Well, we finish up a little early, so let me
ask you a question and get your take on this.
You had already mentioned the Talmud, and I try not
to bring the Talmut up too much because a lot
of people use it as try to bludgeon people with it.
But what a lot of people will say is, well,

(44:38):
most Jews have never even read the Talmud. And you know,
what I try to express to people is is that
most don't have to. If you're if your recent ancestors
have read the Talmud, you will be influenced by if
you grew up in a home where if you're not
one of if you don't grow up in one of
these completely a theistic Jewish homes, and even if you do,

(45:02):
and to a certain extent, Talmudism is just there. It's
going to be. It's going the kind of attitude is
going to be passed on, just as I mean the
kind of you know, you have people who are atheists,
who are more moral and act more along the line

(45:23):
with the Bible than a lot of Christians do. There's
just going to be an influence there that will survive
over generations just because it's it becomes part of your culture.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Yeah, I was kind of you know, a little while
ago I mentioned that concept. You don't have to be
a talmut scholar to be Talmuuk, you don't have to
be in a lodge to be Masonic. You can still
have those Uh, you know, it's in the air, it

(45:57):
is in the culture. It is how they're they're raised.
They're used to believe that they are superior, that they're
intellectually gifted God, they are essentially you know, collectively God.
You know, some god is very vague, especially amongst the Hissidics.
God's is very vague flux, you know, spoken about the

(46:18):
Sephar and stuff like that and other other contexts. But
in the Kabbala God, who do know where to be
found there? That's not quite atheism. And Moses hess his
whole purpose was to connect socialist materialism with basic Talmudism,

(46:41):
and he was successful. Now I've read large chunks of
the Talmut when I was in grad school, which was
I haven't mentioned that before the Sossino addition we had
there still remember it was in the basement. The B
section starting with be Beautifully Beautifully Bound, took up the

(47:06):
whole shelf. And when the web came out and I
learned about it, I went to the book at the Sanhedrin.
Few others that come up in like you know, like
Michael Hoffman stuff, And of course there's a lot of
cold words in there. You have to know what the
code words mean. So even reading a page took forever.

(47:26):
That's why Michael Hoffman's book The Judaism Discovered is brilliant
because he could he could synthesize that down into a
normal way, and he could. He agrees with us, you
don't have to be reading Talmud every day. A normal
person can't read Talmud every day, but you know, you
don't have to do that to be tell mudick. You know,

(47:49):
it comes down to the concept that these people, non Jews,
aren't really human. Their mud we could, you could use
them as a goal and whenever we need them. Sometimes
they're useful, sometimes they're not. We can't do anything that
we really piss them off, so we would be hurt
by it. But in the times of the time of

(48:12):
the Russian Civil War, that had all changed. It wasn't
like you had these rabbinical Jews, you know, protesting against
the Reds. It never happened. They were supportive. They saw
the basics of Talmudism manifest in the Red Army in
a very very simple sense. So they didn't like the

(48:35):
Zionist very much. That's true, but the Zionists at this
point were almost completely irrelevant. Not until World War Two
did they ever ever really matter again. But this was
a Jewish movement, a Jewish government, a Jewish press, and
you had Jewish supporters in Western Europe preaching to the Gentiles.

(49:02):
You know, we're just like you. We love our motherland,
as we heard before. Because the only principle they have
is power, that they are God, that our taking over
is something we will become God. That way, Adam Cadman
is the Antichrist, I mean, that's the ultimate the new Man.

(49:26):
Well need some gentiles around the course, so overwhelming majority
of Jews or atheists, it really doesn't matter one way
or the other. Their ideology is not affected by it. Again,
trotsk Key pretended to be an internationalist, saying that it

(49:47):
didn't matter. But of course everyone he hired, everyone that
was around him was a Jew, which is not obviously
not a coincidence. But it was that Jewish fanaticism, that neuroticism,
that paranoia that served them very well, not to mention
Western support, tons of Western support, media support, and a

(50:09):
firm agenda which of course once of it wasn't even real.
What they said they were going to do was not
what they did. And the White Army really was all
that was left, and it was so dispersed, even though
it was larger. They were all over the place ideologically,

(50:31):
some of them. You know, initially it started because Kunelov
saw himself as fighting for the provisional government against the Bolshovics.
That's what you know, the initial White Army, the Cossacks
didn't think that. But the Cossackts thought they were fighting
for their own independence in South Russia. You know, it
was it was a kaleidoscope. That's not what you want

(50:51):
during a civil war. The Reds are an excellent example
of how to win one of these. I repeat my
off again. The Whites never ever got a penny, not
a bullet, not a dime from the Western Powers. Never ever.
They were entrusted. They were too Russian. There were too

(51:17):
many monarchists in it, and as a British used to say,
there are too many anti Semites in it. I think
there was one attempt. I think it was the Nakan,
you know, Dan, a British representative there, said okay, we'll
support your movement if you purge it of all anti Semites,

(51:38):
so they'd have like three people left.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
You know.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
Oh and by the way, you know you're gonna have
to you'll have to have all of the the debts
of the previous RS government when you take over to
start paying that now, uh, you know, designed to be rejected.
They supported the Reds definitely once they were winning, once
they became you know, the truth is when the interventionist

(52:08):
came to try to keep Russia in the war against Germany,
and then after that trying to protect the ammunition stores.
They could have smashed the Petersburg Soviet in two seconds,
and they knew that, they didn't. Trotsky says this, Lenin

(52:30):
says this. The West could have smashed this government in Embryo,
and and they're refused. Now. I don't think they knew
a whole lot about what I what Bosvism was. So
you know, Capital didn't care. Capitol was heavily in. Capitol
was starting to invest already in the the new the

(52:52):
new Russia, the new Soviet Union, and the back and
forth between the Jews and both sides of East and
the West was already taking place. And of course you
have the most the short sighted attempt to kick Russia
out of the war by financing the revolutionaries by the Germans,

(53:17):
you know, the world's most short sighted policy ever. And
then then of course they were exhausted and Germany was
just a conduit then from from Jewish loans from New
York and in London. So it was a it was
a complete disaster. And you're seeing the foundations of this here.
You're seeing the foundations of it with with everything we've

(53:39):
been reading about over the last week or so.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Well, the next section we have here is looks like
it'll be a little a little longer episode. I think
we have another break like four and a half to
five pages from this, So we'll come back in a
couple of days and get through get through another part
of this section. This is one of the This is
actually one of the longer chapters in the book. So, yeah,

(54:04):
people are gonna have to wait for what they've been
anticipating the whole time.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Well, this is part of it. This is the immediate
predecessor to it.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
You right, yeah, Well, let's end this. Let's end this here.
I encourage you to go to the show notes and
to go to the description of the videos and all
the links there for how you can support doctor Johnson's work,
and uh, please do that if you haven't done, uh,
you know, if you can't get to Patreon and support him,

(54:36):
give him a one timer. And yeah, those of you
who have, you know, are enjoying the bitcoin bubble, the
ride up, throw some bitcoin doctor Johnson's way. He's got
a on his website. I'm almost positive that that your
address there is updated because I gave it to some media.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
You said you received, so that is that is correct?

Speaker 1 (54:58):
All right, Doctor Johnson talks to you in a couple day.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Is thank you all right, my friend, thank you for everything.
Come bye,
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