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August 1, 2025 105 mins

Max Winga, an AI safety advocate from Control AI, joins The Peter McCormack Show for a sobering look at the existential risk posed by artificial intelligence.

In this episode, Max reveals how the reckless race for superintelligence, a profound lack of enforceable safety measures, and the apathy of global governance are putting humanity on a potential path to extinction. We explore the chilling capabilities of emerging AI, the concept of a runaway "intelligence explosion," why top AI researchers are sounding the alarm, and what happens when we can no longer control our own creations.

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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00:00 - Introduction
00:03:15 - Experts Quit Over AI Fears
00:05:10 - Super Intelligence
00:06:45 - AI models Blackmail Engineers
00:08:30 - Crowdsourcing our Own Extinction
00:14:15 - AI Extinction Risk Scenarios
00:16:30 - How do AI Models Work?
00:20:45 - How an AI Model Could Escape
00:28:15 - The End of Human Control
00:31:30 - Why Would AI Want Human Extinction?
00:33:30 - Timeline For An Extinction Event
00:36:00 - AI Agents
00:41:00 - From Chess AI To Self-Learning
00:46:15 - Bitcoin As The Ideal Currency For AI
00:50:20 - The Race To Build Super Intelligence
00:54:30 - The Personal Toll Of This Work
00:58:30 - Mapping The Path To Human Extinction
01:01:45 - Are AI Leaders Being Irresponsible?
01:05:15 - The Need For A Global Effort
01:06:45 - Controlled Super Intelligence
01:10:20 - Is A Safety Breakthrough Possible?
01:18:00 - Why Aren't Safety Issues Being Solved?
01:20:00 - Should Individuals Stop Using AI?
01:27:00 - What If We Pass The Point Of No Return?
01:29:45 - "Stop Hiring Humans" Advertising Campaign
01:32:00 - The Current State Of Robotics
01:35:30 - How Robots Learn And Improve
01:37:00 - Final Thoughts And Call To Action

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FILMED BY CURTIS TAYLOR
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EDITED BY CONOR MCCORMACK

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