Brittani and Cameron - Married PAs in GYN and Interventional Radiology! - The Pre-PA Club

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So we've been on a bit of a hiatus, eh?
So, Savannah, I'm a dermatologyPA, the creator of the PA platform,
and to be perfectly honest, Ineeded a break from the podcast.
It was not inspiring to me for a while,but I've had so many of you guys asking
for it, and I really love getting toconnect with our guests, so we're back!

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And some of these interviews thatyou'll hear coming up are ones
that we have recorded a whileback, but It feels good to be back.
It feels good to be recording.
I'm in a new office.
We're back in in school.
Got this first kind of semester down.
Uh, we survived HurricaneHelene in Georgia.
A lot has happened.
We had our virtual MappedConconference last month.

(00:45):
If you missed that, youcan go to mappedcon.
com to get all the replays for free.
Highly recommend theadmissions panel, by the way.
But I hope you guys are doing well andthat you still want to become PAs, right?
So this episode that we're jumpingback in with is Brittany and Cameron.
They have coached with us atthe PA platform for a long time.
They are taking a break right nowas they have become foster parents

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and I highly recommend you followthem on Instagram and TikTok.
They're so funny.
So they're called married.
Married PA.
What is it?
Married PAS.
I gotta look it up.
Um, but they have a, an accounttogether and they share so much stuff.
Um, so it's married, married to,hold on, married to PA underscore C.

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There you go.
Um, so definitely, youknow, enjoy this episode.
Go say hey to them.
They're great.
And, um, Again, it's good to be back.
We have some cool stuff planned foryou for Black Friday and Cyber Monday.
Make sure you're following us.
Pre PA Academy, our firstyear, was fantastic.
We'll be doing that againstarting in February.

(01:54):
And just continuing to spread theword about the PA profession and
help more people figure it out.
All right, let's jump in.
We're back, and today's podcastepisode has two of my favorite
humans, Brittany and Cameron.
They are both PAs.
We are going to hear about theirjourneys, their jobs, and you will laugh.
I promise you will laughduring this episode.

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Alright, do y'all want to do introductions?
Tell me who you are and why you're here.
No, I'm just kidding.
I'm just telling you who you are.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: Okay. (02:42):
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, my name is Brittany.
I am a PA in Texas, andI work in gynecology.
I'm Cameron.
I'm, also a PA in Texas.
What are the chances?
And I work in interventionalradiology and we're married

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Cool, cool.
Good to know.
I know this from y'all's, , socialmedia and Instagram and just
what I've seen, but, can youfill me in on your, PA journey?
Where y'all both Pre PA like I don'tknow this how these stories intertwine

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: No, so I okay, so I was at a young age. (03:11):
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I was my cousin ingrained into methat I needed to go into medicine.
She was mainly orthopedic surgeon though.
Okay.
She's like, you're going tobe an orthopedic surgeon.
But then whenever I was 12, I got to seeher birth my baby cousin and that kind of

(03:32):
solidified medicine for me moving forward.
And from that point forward,it was women's health.
From that point on, it never,it never really changed.
Now that baby cousin is 17 years old.
I was pre med , whenever I was anundergrad, go figure, , at first
I was a biology major, got out ofthere as fast as I could, , and
then I switched to, , allied health and,but I was still pre med at the time, so

(03:58):
I took all the pre med prereqs, physics,biochem, ochem 2, all the things, , and
then, I did not decide that I wantedto go, , into the, like to be a PA
until after I had graduated undergrad.
So at that point I was stillpremed and my GPA wasn't, I mean,

(04:19):
It wasn't bad, but it was 3.
6.
And I was like, you know, that shouldprobably be higher because my science
GPA was lower than my overall GPA.
So I decided to enroll in a master'scourse or a master's program, , at
the university at Texas A& M.
Um, and I completed that and then inthe summer between graduating undergrad

(04:42):
and starting that masters, I decidedto switch to, the PA profession,
mainly because, I didn't know aboutthe profession as a lot of people do
not.
and so Cameron had found this interestin the profession while in undergrad,
and I would go to his meetings.
just cause we had the same ride home.
so I would go to his meetingsand I got to learn about the PA

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profession from that standpoint.
So I made that decision betweenundergrad and then starting my master's
and that was, that was my goal.
Like even during my master's.
And looking back, you know, I probably,instead of doing a master's since
my GPA like wasn't terrible, I
probably should have just wentand got PCE, , but you know,

(05:25):
looking back, looking back.

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there you go.
It's okay

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: Yeah, so I finished my (05:29):
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master's applied to PA school.
During my master's I was the, my third,my second semester and the master's
applied and then got in my first roundand I went to UT Health San Antonio.

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Yay, and now you're here
doing what you wanted to do, which
we'll talk about in a minute

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: Yeah. (05:52):
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All right.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905 (05:56):
So aside from being her positive influence
to the world of PAs, well, Cameron'sstory is a little bit different.
A little.
Yeah.
I never knew I was going toactually go to college at first.
and then somehow I wound up at a communitycollege that wanted to accept me.
Um, and it was feel likewe gotta, we gotta go back.

(06:19):
Let's back.
What was your life goals?
I originally wanted toget into the military.
Is that what you're talking about?
Yeah, so Cameron did not haveany, ambition to go, , into
any sort of, , extra schooling.
, we actually met in high school.
Not saying that I helped him on hisHis algebra test, but you know, I may
have, , because he was two years aheadof me, but I was in the same class,

(06:42):
but pre AP and so I would help him.
So Yeah
Cameron, Cameron had no like ambitionwhenever I was trying to get through.
That was it.
He was, yeah, he was just trying toget into the military because that was
kind of his background and his family.
No child left behind wasgreat until it wasn't.
Um, so, yeah, I was trying to,I thankfully somehow got into a

(07:06):
college, and started at like probablyfifth grade math when I got there,
and then slowly built back up towhat would be college level math.
And then at that time I was like,well, I really love football.
I love sports.
I love everything about them.
I think I want to be a coach.
So I was kind of like along that pathwhen I was in my community college phase.

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And then Brittany at that time wasobviously doing all of her pre med stuff.
And she started shadowing a gynecologydoctor, OB GYN doc, gynecologist,
whatever, and, , was really loving it.
And I was just, you know,we're in a relationship.
So we're talking about our days and.
She's going over this stuff and I'm like,wow, that sounds like really, really cool.

(07:50):
And so, um, I somehow got into thepoint where I was like watching
surgeries on YouTube and like, Iwas really interested in things.
And then I was like, oh,this is kind of interesting.
And so my, my paths are goingdown the lines of, well, I think
I want to maybe go to med schooland see how that path treats me.
And I was, for whateverreason, extremely lucky.

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And my biology teacher.
I had a married in cousin whowas an orthopedic surgeon and I
started shadowing him and he was anextremely positive influence, really,
really great physician and was, hehappened to have two PAs as well.
And so I was shadowing all of them andI was like, Oh, these like PA guys are

(08:34):
like, they're number two in the surgery.
They're doing half of the surgery.
He's doing the other half.
this is really gnarly.
I was.
Kind of curious.
And so I was starting to shadowthem and then I got onto the line.
I was like, oh, yeah, this isdefinitely what I want to do.
I want to, I want to be a PA rather thana physician, mainly because of the years.
I thought I was like really far behind.

(08:54):
Cause when I went tocollege, how old was I?
Um, probably 22, 23.
I don't think you started.
Yeah.
I don't think you started collegeuntil, uh, I was, you have
to make everything your age.
Don't you?
Yeah.
Yeah.

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Nice.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: So you were 22. (09:13):
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Okay.
So I always, for whatever reason, Iwas like, Oh, I'm really far behind.
I don't want to go to school for 10plus years and do all the things.
And probably in some aspect of mybrain, I was really insecure about
like my, my level of, uh, smartness.
Um, so I was like, maybe I'm just notsmart enough to do all those things.
And that was probably a partof it at the very beginning.

(09:35):
And then, um, Whenever I reallygot onto the path, like I chose
my path, my grades started reallyimproving and being really good.
And I was more on the upwardscale rather than the, uh, just
playing even at the Britney level.
And so I was able to eventuallyovercome some like learning problems
and, uh, had like, uh, testingdisabilities and stuff like that.

(09:59):
And so then I eventually was acceptedat UT Southwestern, which is one
of the best schools in the state.
Oh, you forgot to say thatyou transferred into A& M.
Oh, well, I did go to A& M.
Yeah.
Thankfully, somehow Igot into A& M as well.
Which, uh, I'm really proud to be an Aggiebecause I never thought I would ever be,
quote, smart enough to go to college.
So that was a really bigaccomplishment to me.

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So, little different backgrounds.

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Yeah.
That's great though.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: we are both, um, first (10:29):
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generation college students.
my dad didn't graduate high school.
He is in his 70s.
So that was like Just what theydid back then My mom actually did
really really well in school, butthen like it was just you know blue
collar thing to just not Go to college

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Right.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: Both my parents went to the military. (10:46):
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Yeah That's where military came from me

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Yeah.
Medicine.
I love it.
Uh, so wait, were y'all, wait, did I getso confused by the Texas schools and be
honest because there's a lot of them.
Did y'all go to the samePA program or you didn't

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: No, no, (11:06):
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know?
That's what I thought.
It was different.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905 (11:09):
Yes.
Hours

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Okay.
At the same time or not at the same time.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: We applied in. (11:14):
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May of 2000, May of 20.
18.
18.
We applied in 2018.
Whenever we were applying, I waslike, you know, hopefully this is
not going to be an issue for me.
Like, I had like a master's,and I was like, you know,
they look at you well rounded.
I don't have the best PCE,but I have a really great GPA.

(11:35):
0 in my master's program.
I mean, not to like tootmy own horn, but, you know.
Um, and

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That helps.

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Yeah.
And then, um, so we appliedin May, we both did.
And then I was like, you know,we were already planning.
This is one of the things that Ialways tell the people that I advise
is that like, you always have tobe preparing for the next cycle, no
matter how great your application is.
I had a non healthcare job on campusand I was preparing to , quit that

(12:03):
and then move on to just full time,patient care experience afterwards.
Cameron was already planning toapply to my master's program.
Like, we had, we had a plan in place.
Um, what happened was, is thatwe thought that I was going
to get accepted, no problem.
And then Cameron might have to,you know Do the master's program.
Do the master's program.

(12:25):
Yeah.
And, um I got accepted first.
What happened was, okay What happenedwas, is that, so I got, so yes, there
are schools, there's several schoolsin Texas, and Texas is a massive state.
So I got my interview, um, probablyin like July, I think, June or July.
You got the invite.

(12:45):
I got the, yeah, the interview invitein June or July, and I was like,
heck yeah, bag secured, let's go.
And then before my interview, Cameron gothis interview invite for UT Southwestern.
Like two weeks priorto my to my interview.
Yes.
And so early.
Yes So Cameron got his interviewinvite later than me mark that myth.

(13:06):
Let that be in the notes.
Okay?
Hey, he got his interview in a rightafter me, but his interview was
before me And Anything about Texas
geography is that my interview thatUNT in Fort Worth and then his was
in Dallas So would have been perfect.

(13:26):
They're in the same Metroplex wouldhave been a perfect situation.
Right.
Um, but Cameron interviewed on aSaturday and we were napping on
Sunday or on Monday because it wasthe first day of the semester because
it takes it to takes it out of the,you know, they literally called him
during our nap and it was after five.

(13:50):
Wasn't expecting that.
So when
he, when he called the school back.
I maybe called like at5 or 6 or something.
Yeah.
Something really early.
I immediately got the voicemail line of UT
Southwest and I was like,What does this mean?
Are they saying they hate me?
Are they saying they like me?
I don't know.

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up.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: Yeah, and yeah, so like, it (14:08):
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was such a cliffhanger that

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Yeah.
That's very nerve wracking.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: do you, are you excited or, you (14:15):
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know, you, you can't be until

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I would assume I messed up.
I would assume theylike, needed something.
They're like, oh, weneed a background check.
Like we need something from

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: yeah, yeah, (14:28):
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Not that they were calling with

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: yes, I don't, how did, how did (14:31):
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you actually figure it out?
I called, I called the program thenext day and I spoke to Isela, which is
like one of the, now that I know she'slike one of the main people for admin.
And she was like, Oh,your last name is Orm.
Yeah, you got accepted.
And I was like,
Huh?
What?
I'm like walking around campus.
I'm like, are you sure?

(14:52):
Or she's like, yeah, you got accepted.
She's like, extremely like, flat.
Very

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no big deal.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: you know. (14:57):
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Oh my God.
Thank you.
And so,

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No big

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: I like told everybody. (15:00):
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And that same night, day number two,The admissions director called me again.
And what was
I doing?
I was

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sleeping.
They're like, this is,should we have done this?
No, that's

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905 (15:16):
was
so mad.
Yeah, so, so when my interviewwas a couple weeks later, after he
had gotten his acceptance, you canonly imagine the immense pressure
that I was under.

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Yeah.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: And my sister was like, thinking about (15:30):
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buying a house like wherever we wentso that we could rent it out from them.
Um, so she was like looking at Zillow,being like, this is where y'all
are going to live type of thing.
Like, are you planning this out?
And I was like, I'm the kindof person that's like, no.
You can't do that yet.
Because then when it doesn't workout, you're going to be extremely sad.

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So, um, I was under a lotof pressure, obviously.
Didn't think I performedpoorly, but God, I really did
not like their interview style.
Um, it's what they call modified MMI.
And there's like writing portions and
group portions.
I mean, I feel like the face toface was only like 15 minutes.

(16:12):
Which
I really hate interviews like that.
But, um, so got the calllike maybe a week or not.
I got the email and didn't get a call.
I got an email a weekor two later at work.
Um, being like, hey, we regretto inform you, blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
So, I, yeah,
so I, I go into my office and I like crythe whole day because life is ruined.

(16:34):
But, I still had an interviewfor UTHealth San Antonio.
So whenever I, and that was in October, sothis interview I had at UNT was in August
or September, and this one was in October.
And so , I was like fivehours away from Dallas.
And so I was like, you know, this isvery selfish of me and I hate saying this

(16:59):
now, but honestly I feel like it workedto my advantage, but I walked into that
interview kind of being like, you know.
If it happens, it happens.
If it doesn't, it doesn't.
Because I was like, if I getin here, it's gonna suck.
And if, but if I get inhere, it's gonna be great.
You know?
At the same time.
But I was definitely focusingmore on the first one.
For

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yeah,

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: Because we had lived together (17:19):
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for five years at this point.
And we were about to get married.
And it just was not gonnabe a good situation.
So, I interviewed on a Monday.
Got a call on Friday.
A call this time, not an emailsaying that I was accepted.
Oh, I forgot to say, I walked intothe interview because I was so

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like, whatever happens happens.
I was way more relaxed in thatinterview than I was for UNT.
And
that's why I say, I think thatthat was to my advantage because.
Whenever you're stressed out and anxiousin an interview, you say random stuff.
Um, also San Antoniohad a really great MMI.

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Like a real MMI.
Like
A

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true one.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: a very standard like 10 room MMI, (18:03):
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which I hated before, loved after.
Um, but yeah, I kind of went in therejust being like, you know, whatever.
And it worked to my advantage.
So, here we are.

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Yeah.
That's helpful.
Wait, did y'all apply to the same programs
and that's just how it fleshed out, or no?

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: interestingly enough, the 2 programs that (18:23):
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I interviewed at Cameron did not applyto because they had certain, , prereq
requirements that I had from being premed,
, and Cameron did not have.
So biochem was why he didnot apply to San Antonio.

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Okay.
Mm-Hmm.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: we were just like, so we had (18:39):
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done long distance before.
Um, cause we started quote unquote datingin high school whenever I was 16 and
Cameron was graduated at creepy age.
Let's just say that.
Yeah.
Um, but he was out of the state.
So, you know, nothing could happen.
So, um, we were longdistance for two years.

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So we were like, we're goingto apply wherever it's only
for two and a half years.
Do what you need to do.

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Yeah.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: Frickin hard. (19:07):
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Yeah.
I thought I was going to love it.
I was like, I'm going to getIndian food every freaking week.
Let's go.
And cause at that time I did it.
I did.
I, I, I loved it at that time.

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That's a really funny thing to be excited about.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: he was excited for Indian food (19:25):
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and to turn the AC up to like 80.
And I did that one.
I did that

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That's really funny.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: I usually (19:35):
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Oh, no, but that's hard.
Even like from like a loan standpoint,like you're having to take out living
expenses in two different places.
Like that's a lot
to

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: Yeah, no, our loan amounts. (19:47):
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So right now, I think we'resitting at, well, you know,
interest started re accruing,
but before it did, um, we were sitting atlike 220, I think, um, cause I think that
if daddy Biden would have given us ourmoney, it would have gone to under 200,

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Yeah.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: but it didn't. (20:06):
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So,
um,

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makes sense for two people going through PA school.
I mean, that's

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: Yeah, tuition was not the problem. (20:12):
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No, I mean, our, our programsare like in the top, like five
cheapest programs in the nation.

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just

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: So, our, our tuition, my (20:23):
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tuition was only 45 K.
Cameron was like, between 45and 50, but it's the living
expenses that are so expensive.
I mean, I paid, you know, a cheap.
A relatively cheap amount for my rent.
It was 7.
50.
Um, Cameron was paying like 1,000 because he was in Dallas.

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Yeah.

, squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: and then I lived with my sister. (20:43):
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I did not get
that for free.
I just want to have that on the record.
I tell people that I live withmy sister and they're like,
Oh my god, that's so nice!
I'm like, no.
It was still cheaper.
I mean, it was nice, yes,but It was still cheaper.

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Yeah.

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So,

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shamelessly say I moved in with my parents.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: Yeah, dude, if you can absolutely, because (21:00):
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if you think about it,750 times 30, what is

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Yeah.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: I mean, that's (21:09):
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More than I want to think
about.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: over that's over 20, 000. (21:11):
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So, I mean, here, let me do the math.

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Yeah.
I moved in with my
parents for the first year.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: 750 times 30. (21:21):
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22, 500.

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Yeah, and that just compounds
and all that fun

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did y'all see each other ever?

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905 (21:33):
So whenever we first started school, Cameron,
we both had an extremely hard time.
Yeah, that first summerwas extremely tough.
Yeah.

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With the academics or the transition or

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: all of it? (21:45):
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all of it?
Okay.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: not living together for the (21:47):
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first time ever was tough.
Figuring Like just life ingeneral, like my car battery died.
Thankfully I was like lessthan a mile from campus.
And once I figured that walk out,I was like, this is incredible.
I've walked every single day to school.
I never drove.
Yeah.
I was able to either walk through schoolbuildings in order to get there or

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walk to the, like the on campus bus.
It was incredibly nice being so close.
I would never trade that again.
And then we had, um, So we got married16 days before PA school started.
I don't think that matters inthis part of things Yeah, did
you just see your face?
That was a

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No, that does suck.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: we got married 16 days (22:28):
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Like people, like a lot of you would think they couldn't do that.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: Yeah, yeah, so we had to move our (22:33):
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wedding twice, , because, and wehad a destination wedding, so it
wasn't like a huge deal to do that.
, but , our initial wedding was likein the summer, because usually
PA's will start in the fall ish.
, and so Cameron got accepted, hisstart date was May 20th, so we
had to move it up to before that.

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I got accepted.
My school also started on May 20th,but I had a week of orientation before,
so then we had to move it up evenmore, so, yeah, we ended up getting
married 16 days before PA school, comingback to Texas, and then going to our
separate cities after that, and I,

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That's just a lot.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: the day that he left was like, because (23:14):
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we were in San Antonio, and he left togo to Dallas, was miserable, and then
Memorial Day was shortly after that.
So I was like, I'm driving to Dallas.
, and the traffic was terrible.
So here I am just sitting in traffic,

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like crying all the way to Dallas.
, Cameron's like, stop crying.
You can't see the road.
And I was like, I can't, I can't.
Yeah, that was really tough.
So , in that first weekend, Cameronwas like, we're not going to be
able to see each other, like whenI saw out of the schedule, like the
amount of work was in that firstsummer, I don't think it's possible.

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And thankfully we found the bussystem that went back and forth
between San Antonio and Dallas.
And let me tell you howmuch nausea I had, like,

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reading the books.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: take opalamine once, and (24:11):
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I should have, honestly,

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Huh?

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: was just nauseous and studying. (24:15):
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That's all
I could, so it was bad.
Yeah, I like to, I would love tosay that I studied, but I didn't.
Yeah, she had never, but youneeded decompress as well.
Yeah.
yeah.

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Well, that's, that's nice.
Cause then you don't have to drive it.

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Yeah.
But then also, , every time I goton that bus, something happened
every time they were late.
, one time our bus got into a wreck.
, one time, which I was already indistress because I had left my keys,
my car keys at Cameron's house,which also had my house keys on it.

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And my sister was gone for that week.
So I couldn't get into my house.
Then the bus ended up filling upwith people, which never happened.
So here I am crying, no chapstick,which fun fact about me.
I'm addicted to chapstickphysically, not mentally, physically.

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I might have somebody do their perioral, to be honest.
We might need to talk about that.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: maybe, um, so yeah, no chapstick, no keys. (25:12):
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, I have a lot of anxiety aboutstaying home alone, like at the
house that I lived in San Antonio.
So it was just, it was terrible.

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That's a lot.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: Cameron had the best time though. (25:24):
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Oh

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Just me.
Just me.
A lot of stress about, , getting thereon time and stuff like that, but Yeah.
Yeah.
Besides that, it was great.
I mean, I remember going back to,like, how tough PA school was.
Also another thing that happened was thatin undergrad and in my master's, I had

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a study method that was, like, you puta PowerPoint on one side of your screen
and you put a Google Doc on the other.
And you just type everything out.
And then once you're done typing thatout, you print it out and study from it.
And by the time the papercrinkles a certain way, that's
how you know, that you're ready.

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Yeah.
I like that.
I'm similar.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: Uh huh. (26:08):
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, so when I got to PA school, Idon't know if you know this,
but, uh, that you can't do that.

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Yeah.
There's not time.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: No, there's not time. (26:15):
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And there's a lot of pictures.
So I.
Quickly, quickly had to realize thatI couldn't, I tried to put like a
group together to be like, Hey, youdo this lecture, I'll do this lecture.
Um, it fell apart very quickly.
Immediately.
I, I don't think he ever got off theground , and then I was like, doctor
tried something with cooking too.

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Um, and so I,

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All good intentions.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: I had to, I had to learn how to (26:40):
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study directly from the PowerPoint,which was extremely difficult for me
because, but I introduced you to that.
I told you that, and you said,there's no way I can't do that.

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squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: got no choice. (26:51):
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That's the only way to study.
But,

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And y'all probably couldn't even study together necessarily
because a lot of programs don'tgo curriculum wise at the same

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: No, they weren't. (27:01):
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, one moment in particular that I remember,it was like, I think the second week of PA
school, and one of my favorite, actuallymy favorite professor, , came up to me
and was like, How are you doing, Brittany?
And I literally looked at him withthis like blank fake smile face And
I could feel the tears like wellingup behind me and I was like I need to
go to the bathroom and I like went tothe bathroom and just like had a good

(27:24):
little cry session there and Yeah, I
went back.
I went back to him and I said stop askingus how we're doing We are not okay.
We are not.
So every time, every time like a newclass would start at my school, I,
I get like so much anxiety from it.
Like, just like secondhand anxiety.

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I feel like that's a, , a universal experience in k school is
like that moment when at some point.
Someone, whether it's faculty oranother student or family for me,
it was like all three at some point.
We're like, how are you
doing?
And I was like.
Not good.
Not good.

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Like I remember one , we wentto, , a small group session and it
was me and three other girls in myclass and my favorite teacher and
it was our teacher for that sectionand she was teaching us ortho.
It was like towards the end of Thefirst ClinMed semester, and she was
like, guys, how did, how's it going?
What y'all, like, y'allstudying going well?

(28:28):
And I was like, no, I was like, lastnight I sat at the table and cried.
Like, no, it's not good.
And then everyone else inmy group was like, me too.
I was

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: Yeah, yeah, and that's yeah. (28:35):
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Yeah.
You realize like everybody'skind of handling PA school
a little bit differently.
You're all kind of roughed up by PAschool, but some people are able to
put on a better front than others.
But like, when we would start talkingwith each other about it, be like, oh, no.
Yeah, I'm on antidepressants

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not good.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: A ton of our, my class, and I (28:58):
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think maybe your class too, but aton of us were on antidepressants
that had never been before.
I

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some help.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: You know, I, I did not start so Lexa (29:08):
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Lexa, a Lexapro is my best friend.

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I've seen you post on Instagram and it's so

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905 (29:16):
I, yeah, so, um, I made it through all of
didactic, not being on any sort of , antidepression, anti anxiety medication.
, I went to the student counselingcenter a couple of times,
you know, cried my face off.
, never really talked inthe sessions, just cried.
, and then really what, what broke me wasclinicals, which everybody says clinicals

(29:40):
get so much better and easier, right?
Which is true.
But

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You're different.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: what they don't tell you (29:47):
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is that there's a change.
So there's going to be a complete changein your study methods from didactic to
undergrad, which I had mastered didactic.
I'd mastered it.
Um, again, not to shoot myown heart, but I got a 4.
0 in PA school.
Uh, thanks.

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I did not.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905 (30:05):
So I had mastered didactic and then going into
clinicals, it is a whole new ball gameand there is no power point to study from.
You have to find your own materials to
study from.
, and I just remember that 1st weekendcrying so much that my eyes were like,
almost swollen shut because I waslike, I was chilling that 1st week.

(30:26):
I was chilling and then we, Igot together with my peaceful
friends and they were like.
Freaking out.
And I was like, whyare y'all freaking out?
And then I finally looked at myinternal medicine, like topic list.
And I was

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was
that your first one?

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: yeah, yeah. (30:40):
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Ooh.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: Uh huh. (30:42):
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And I looked at that topiclist and I was like, Oh.
And then I started crying That's when,and so after, I didn't get to start
my Lexapro though, until I literallygot the prescription, like the day
before my EOR, but I was like, I'mnot gonna start it before my EOR.
Yeah.
So I started it the day of my EOR,like, but you got prop propanolol.

(31:04):
I did get propanolol.
I did take that.
Mm-Hmm,
, so yeah, me and Alexahave been together for.
Three years now, we're best friends.
Um, and let me, let me tell you thedifference that I was from my first EOR
to my second EOR, just 28 days later wasmy second EOR was emergency medicine.

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Ooh.
Oh.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: And the world of difference between (31:33):
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those two days was incredible.
And so I always like to, like, especiallywhen I'm talking to my patients now,
when I'm talking about anxiety andstuff, I tell them that story because
if I would have started my Alexa pro.
In didactic, I probably wouldn'thave hated PA school so much.

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In didactic.
I tried telling

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Had a different experience.

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But
Cameron had more depression.
Oh yeah.
I was pretty depressed.

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because you misread me

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and you were in P.
A.
school.

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He was on Wellbutrin.

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It's just a tough, I think the biggest thing is that,
well, luckily y'all had each other,but like, no one else understands.
And that
is also difficult.
Like, the people that you're in classwith understand, but like, they also have
their own stuff going on and, can onlysupport each other to a certain extent.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: let me tell you, my friends (32:29):
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put on a good front.
They did.
I know they were

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In P.
A.
school?
Or not?
Oh,

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905 (32:35):
when we studied together, we were all anxious,
but like , my friend, , Shelby in general,, she always just seemed so chill,
so chill.
And that's just her personality.
But I was like, are you?
Are you, am I supposed to be like you?
why why am I over hereand you're over here?
I don't understand.

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I was probably in the middle, but I had a super chill friend,
and then I had a not super chillfriend, and so I was kind of like the
teeter totter, like in the middle oflike, you should be more worried, and
you need to chill out more, like.
No, you can't know everydetail in every book.
Like, that's not possible,so we gotta reframe this.

(33:16):
, but you over here, I need youto worry a little bit more.
, squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: I Wilson?
that's the interesting thing about PA school, too, is
they give you every personality.
I feel like it's
this, like, little melting pot of a
class.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: You, really do. (33:26):
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, but kind of how I combated my anxietyin PA school is killing myself.
Like, studying until 10pm everynight, like, and just wake up the
next day and do it over again.
Because my anxiety is when I get to a testand I don't know the answers to several
questions, and that's when it kicks in.
So I knew in order to preventthat, I needed to kill

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squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905 (33:53):
No!

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like

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905 (33:54):
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Okay, okay.
Because I did that, too.
My first two semesters, that was me.
, I'm, like, literallyfalling asleep in my bed.
With my book hitting my face.
And then going into probably thirdsemester, like I, I almost remember
the day I actually do remember theday, cause I was living at home with
my parents and they said, Hey, do youwant to go get Mexican for dinner?

(34:17):
and I would like look to themAnd I was like, are you crazy?
I was like, I have to study.
No.
and they're like, you also need toeat, but like, we'll bring you dinner.
, and after they left, Iwas kind of like, wait.
I do, you're right, like, at some pointI am going to have to eat dinner, and
yes I can study while I eat dinner,but like, for us to run up the road

(34:39):
and get food and come back, it wouldtake at most probably 45 minutes.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: Yeah, (34:43):
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yeah.
And also you're like,falling asleep setting.
That's not,

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it's not effective.
And that's why I was like, willthis 45 minutes be the difference
in me, like, passing a class orwill it be the difference in maybe
me getting one question right?
And then after that I was like,oh, okay, maybe I should take some
breaks and not

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: I honestly, I honestly wish that I (35:05):
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would have gotten a B early on sothat I wasn't competing with myself.
Because really that's what it was.
It's like I made it this long.
I can't I can't
go messing that streak up now

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How many people GPA was?

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: Uh, like professionally, none. (35:25):
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Mm-Hmm.
.Right.
And that's, and that's

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No one cares.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: tell people. (35:30):
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That's what I tell people.
It's a cool bragging point.
I'll say

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It is.
I'm proud of you.
But, it's also,

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squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: when I talk to people, I tell them like, (35:42):
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yes, I got like, 'cause they always askme like, was pa school hard for you?
And then they'll be like,what's your, what was your GPA
and I'll be like, okay, wait.
This is not a fair questionbecause my GPA was a 4.
0 because I literally didn't do anything.
And I don't suggest that.

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Don't do it.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905 (36:02):
So.

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Well, I'm going to tell you something that will
probably make you um, mad or sad.
But, so, I didn't have standardized EORs.
They started the year after me.

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So, we just had the ones that my school came up with.
So, I don't think ours were nearly 3.
What yours were

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: I mean, that doesn't make me mad. (36:24):
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I.

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were hard I mean every test is hard, but like the ones now like they are
Really rough, especially like I've heardinternal medicine emergency medicine like
those big ones that just have everything

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: yeah. (36:46):
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I found my faculty tests tobe way harder than any other
test that took in PA school.
Because I really leaned on thefact that they had had hundreds
of people read that test question.
My faculty, my cardiology test, shewrote those questions the day before.
And they were trash and
they did not make sense.

(37:06):
And, and you would have so manyquestions where they'd be like, yeah,
there's like 30 percent of y'allthat didn't get that one, right.
Which is high, but wethink it's still fine.
So we're going to accept it.
And I'm just like,

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It's a
problem.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: not fair. (37:20):
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, and there's a reason why 30 percentof the class chose this one answer
because you told us that that was athing during the lecture and I can
pull up the freaking notes to prove it.
And , there was a question, not even,not even cardiology, but I remember it
and they had never told us that, , DDAVPis also the drug called Desmopressin.

(37:45):
They'd never told us that.
Hashtag trauma.
And every single lecture,they called it DDAVP.
No idea what that stands for.
Not a clue.
But I know the other name forit is Desmopressin because
I took Kaplan testing.
And I tortured myself with herquestions that she never even looked at.
And I got that question right, butI was like, there's no way anybody

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else in here should know that unlessthey looked up other names for DDAVP.
I was
so mad and so many people gotit wrong, but they still counted
it as like a legit question.
But you know, who didn't get it wrong?
You,

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squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905 (38:23):
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I really, I thought every single othertest besides maybe The gynecology EOR
was, or OB GYN, was extremely easy.
I was never worried aboutfailing besides the gyne one.
That was it.

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squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: Yeah, I really did. (38:43):
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I wholeheartedly believedI had failed my first EOR.
Mainly because I had a whole two hourpanic attack throughout the entire thing.
Um, and that's when, yeah, that's when myfriend Lexa entered my life that night.
So, um, but see, here's the thing aboutCameron is that he doesn't have anxiety.

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squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: My anxiety was cured by my (39:06):
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testing, my testing allowances.
That, so my anxiety got cured by that.
What do you, what do you meanby your testing allowances?
I had extended time during testing,which allowed me time to have
mini panic attacks during a test.
But then I could work my way throughit and be like, Oh, I'm just gonna
skip this after my two to three minutesession of like, I don't know anything.

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And then I could just move on.
So, that allowed me to have that time.
There was times where I useda full two and a half hours.
Cameron, so here's the thing is like,Cameron was never anxious for his tests.
Yeah.
Um, to where like, I would literally,No, I would wake up at like, On test days
I would wake up at 4am, Go to Chick filA, Chick fil A was not even open yet.

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So I'm waiting in their drive thru,and then get Chick fil A, go to the
library, eyes super heavy, super itchybecause they're so tired, and just like
look over everything before the exam.
Just one more time.
But Cameron, like, didnot, did not have that.
And so when he says that he wasn't anxiousfor any of his EORs, just know that
doesn't come, like, from the same place.

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It's a different place, that's fair.
And I definitely do think thatthe PAEA, is that who makes them?
So far, I don't know.
I don't even know.
Yeah, so I think PAEA makes the EORs.
And I will tell you that our clinicaldirector who, like, administered the
EORs for us scared the crap out of us.
, she was like, it's

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squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: So many people fail. (40:35):
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, be prepared, do not like,do not take it lightly.
, and so I think everyone ended up, I don't,I wouldn't, that was the goal though.
I wouldn't necessarily saying overprepared, but, , I definitely do
think studying for all of the EORs,like from a pa EAC standpoint and
having the topic list helped so much
when, when going to take the pants,because, you know, I had a lot of.

(40:58):
I wouldn't say confidence becauseI was never confident in myself,
but I didn't have as much anxietygoing into the pants because I had
already, I had been preparing thisfor this for the past 30 months.
Like,
I I took an EOR at the end of everysingle rotation and we had 15 of them,
so I took 15 EORs and then I waslike, that, that should be enough.

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ready as you could be

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: Plus your cumulative exam at the (41:25):
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end, which nobody tells you about.
Now, do I still have dreams about mehaving to take the pants now, even though
I haven't done any studying for it?
Yes.

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Really?

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: every week. (41:38):
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I'm saying I had a dream recently a very vivid dream that
I at this point in my life Decidedto go back to PA school to see what
it was like again So I, I applied.
I'm working as a Durham PA still,this doesn't logistically make
sense, but I applied and I like wentto class the first day and I like

(42:04):
went to class and sat down and theystarted and I was like, why am I here?
Why am I doing this again?

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: Yeah, (42:11):
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And I, I don't know why, like,

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: Yeah, I've (42:16):
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definitely done that.
Like, mine's more like highschool, like sitting back down
in high school in a math class.
And I'm like, what?
I don't need to behere, but I have a test.
I have to take it.

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No, why am I

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: have a (42:26):
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here?

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: dream from high school. (42:27):
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I was in drill team whenI was in high school.
, but I quit because there was conflicting,um, Things between student council and I
was just more into student council and Istill have dreams that I like Rejoined at
this stage in my life and don't know thedances, but they're either expecting me to
go dance And I don't know where that comesfrom Some sort of trauma in my life, but

(42:53):
That one happens pretty often, too

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These have to mean something.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905 (42:57):
Mm
hmm.
Yeah

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right.
I don't want to take toomuch of y'all's time.
, but I do want to hear aboutyour jobs because Well number
one, I'm be perfectly honest.
I don't know you doinginterventional radiology Number

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: don't know that I do. (43:11):
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So,

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everyone wants to go into gynecology or
things they do and everyonewants to quote deliver babies
So I'd love to hear your thoughts on that
as a PA in gynecology

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Who do you want to go first?

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whoever

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: You go. (43:30):
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, so I only do gynecology.
I don't do OBE and that is not specificto PAs though, because in PA school.
The PA that I was with did both OB andGYN, , but she didn't deliver babies.
She was purely clinic.
, now I will say I am a person of repetitionand that is where I'm comfortable and that
is a lot of what my job does and Cameron'sis the complete opposite of that.

(43:53):
, so I work in a clinic Mondaythrough Friday, , I see a lot.
Of annuals, a lot of them, , youknow, okay, go ahead and put
your hands up in the air.
Like you just don't care.
I'm going to do your breast exam.
That kind of thing.
, now what I like about that isI'm getting to the point now
to where I'm seeing patients.

(44:14):
I, I know them, uh, or at leastI, when I look back, I'm like,
Oh, I've seen them before becauseI have such a terrible memory.
Um, but, or, you know, andthose people that I do know,
you know, usually it's not.
For a good, a good reason, you know,
So I see I'm getting to that point nowwhere I'm seeing people over and over

(44:34):
again, and it's fun because One thingthat I do and that I I said that I would
do from a long time ago Was that I makelittle notes in their chart about what we
talked about that time And then I bringit up again, and then they're like you
have such a good memory, and I'm like

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I mean, I, I can't remember facesand I cannot remember names, but
I can remember the entire storythat we talked about the last
time that I was with you.
And that's why I'm so big into tellingstories and personal statements,
because that's, that
is really what makes things stick.
But, , anyways, so I see a lot of annuals.

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My favorite part about my job is that I.
Everybody knows women's health, asa female going into a gynecology
appointment, is uncomfortable.
Everybody knows it, right?
I've been putting offmy pap for a while now.
You know, probablyshouldn't, but I have been.
It's uncomfortable and I know that,but what I love most about my job is
that I have the personality, , whereif somebody comes in, I have a

(45:38):
smile on my face the entire time.
I will make it the funnest visitthat you've had a very long time.
, and I will make you comfortableand I will listen to you.
Whatever you're saying,I will listen to you.
, and I will have a conversation to wherewe will get to the end of the visit and
you'll be like, that wasn't bad at allbecause we were talking the entire time.
And so what I love about my job isthat I can be someone who makes

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Yeah.

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21 year olds because I get to shapetheir entire perspective of women's
health, like their life moving forward.
, so those are probably my favoritevisits, that and like my Lexapro visits.
But yes, I work Mondaythrough Friday, , 8.
30 to 5, and then onFridays I work 8 to 3 ish.

(46:27):
What's your extra time?
I see about, um, 20 patients a day.
What are you talking
about?
You don't leave at 5 o'clock every day?
I usually leave at like 5.
30 because I'm clearing out my box.
Yes, you have a box that you haveto clear out, which is toxic.
I don't got one of those.
Oh, you don't have a box,that's why he's saying that.

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Um,
I don't know if I havea box, like an inbox.

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Like, uh, results that come back.
Yeah, yeah.
You have like biopsies and stuff.
You have

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Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I, I do it.
You, I usually do minefirst thing in the morning

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and then Yeah.
Throughout the day.

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some in the evening, then I'llgo ahead and I'll finish it out.
You know, get the ones out that I can.
For ones that I have to use my brain.
I'm like, we'll save that for tomorrow.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So that's what my day is.
It's very, it's very like repetitiveand I see the same people every day.
And I love that.

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I love it.
Yeah, I don't

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I love that you , found that perfect match job for
you.

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Yeah.
Oh, but I will say that I dohave , a person in my class
who does deliver babies.
Yeah.
So, but,

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Georgia, PAs cannot, are not allowed to deliver

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only midwives.

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Do you have any nurse practitioners?
No midwives.
Same.

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they would have to like specifically
have the like

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practitioners are purely clinical.
Purely.
So, could a surgical nurse practitioner?
Would that be

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not in Georgia.

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A.
S.
Can deliver babies in Texas, but it'spretty rare because the midwives, the
residents, the physicians take over.
, but she works in a rural setting.
So,

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Ashlyn, she, she works in our area andshe delivers Ashlyn bone with Janet.
Yeah.
So anyways, , I work in the littleblack box called interventional
radiology, which a lot of peoplesay, uh, , so interventional

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it have to do with cardiology or am I wrong?

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interventional cardiology.
There is some radiologists which do that.
Yes.
But that would be kind of like,um, another subspecialty within
interventional radiology.
There's neuro interventional radiologists,which do stroke cases, thrombectomies.
, carotid and up essentially, plus all theother interventional radiology stuff.

(48:59):
, so as a PA in interventionalradiology, the way I see my role
is to be like a little vacuum thatsucks up all the baby cases so
that my docs can do the big cases.
I really don't like that you say that.
That's the way I see it, Michael.
It's not your story, it's mine.

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like, and I hate when they say this likein their mock interviews or in their
personal statements, is that like yeah,so the PAs see like the easy cases so
that the doctors can see the big cases,and I'm like, I mean, true to like some
extent, but like not in all settings.
It's just, it's just like, Ifeel like it's like bringing down

(49:45):
what you do when you say that.
I mean, I don't see it like that.
Okay.

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I, I don't, I, I get what you're saying.
I, I think I wouldn't necessarily like it.
It like what you're saying, Brittany,like an interview setting from a

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student, but I get what you're like, cause I, I say something similar.
Like when people are like, Oh,do you like assist the doctor?
I'm like, yeah, I lether take more vacations.
Like that's my job.
That's why I'm there.
, , I guess part of what I really dosee my job is like make her life
easier, whatever that looks like.

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that their lives are easier.
Every single interventionist thatworks with PAs says, I would not be
able to do what I do without you.
They're able to readmore diagnostic images.
, they can do a CT scan in the same,like five CT scans in the same time
that I can do 20 procedures, but theywouldn't have been able to do those.

(50:37):
And let me tell you, those CT scanspay way more than a little paracentesis
or thyroid or even a line placement.
So they truly appreciate it.
And like the way that I see itmost is we just started at, uh,
the PAs started at a new hospital.
And we've not been at this one before,but our docs have, and they had been

(50:59):
there for probably two or three years
PAs to help.
And the company's like, youdon't have enough, you don't got
enough cases or patients for usto be able to give them to you.
So they're like, yes, we do.
Yes, we do.
And when we came in there.

(51:20):
The highest RVUs, because now we gaugeRVUs, which is essentially like the, the
points at which, um, your cases count.
And if you have so many RVUs, thenthey pay so much, blah, blah, blah.
And so the RVUs at ourbiggest hospital was 2, 500.
This hospital now has 1,500, which is a big jump.

(51:45):
The next hospital has 1, 400.
So that's, there's a big jump there.
But it's a lot of, it's a lot ofpoints that this hospital gets
and our physicians that work thereare like, this is incredible.
That doesn't even count what the docs do.
That's just what the PAs are doingin that hospital, which is a lot.
And so they're like, first, thediagnostic docs that we're having to

(52:08):
do something called ferroscopy, whichis essentially you swallow contrast
or we put contrast somewhere in thebody and we take pictures of it.
They're like, they hatethat part of their job.
A lot of them really don't like it.
So do you!
I just like it, yes.
But, it's still semi interesting.
But they really hate it.
And they're like, thank you.

(52:28):
Thank you for being here.
Thank you for doing this enema,or this esophagram, whatever.
They really like it.
So I do a lot of different cases.
So The thing that is different in myjob, like I may go months without doing
a certain type of procedure, and thenI'm like expected to be able to, oh, now
this procedure dropped onto the board andit's quote, a PA case, so I will do it.

(52:53):
, like the other day, I did a, afeeding tube exchange except for it's,
it's a, it's a J-tube, so it goesdeeper down into the small bowel.
And I hadn't done a j-tube exchange.
In a long time, I'd doneG tubes, but not a J tube.
And so, I was doing this case and Iwas like, trying to remember the steps.
And, um, the biggest thingin interventional radiology

(53:16):
is don't lose your access.
It's important that once you haveaccess, you try to always have it.
Because you may not beable to get it again.
And, I lost access.
And so, me and the, the rad techthat I was working with were
trying to get access back again.
But it's like, I really like that part ofmy job is I do a lot of different things
that I may not have done in a while.

(53:37):
Um, and then I might go do roundingand then I might go downstairs
and help with fluoroscopy.
So, depending upon where I'm at, Iwork either 730 to 430 or 8 to 430.
But usually I could be doneby 4 o'clock and leave,

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Yeah.
Nice.
And you're doing mostly procedures.
You do mostly procedures.

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upon where you're at.
So that newest location, we do all 3.
We do rounding,fluoroscopy and procedures.
And so, like this last Friday,I did a ton of light place
line placements into the neck.
Um, I did some biopsies.
I did.
drainages, and then I did roundingon like five different people

(54:21):
that we had seen the prior day.
So since Cameron is no longer in training,he's going to several locations now.
Yeah.
But whenever he was at his initiallocation at like their training
hospital, every day he would have likea different like, I'm on IR2 today.
And IR2 is the rounding team, but tomorrowI'm on IR1, and that's the procedure team.

(54:42):
And then the next day I'm onfluoro, so I'll be doing fluoro.
And then if there like ever islike a lull or anything, then
they can go help other people.
And at
that hospital, which is our traininghospital, it's , very sectionalized.
So usually one team doesn'thave to help the other team.
And it's a, it's a reallygood learning basis.
Like we have.

(55:03):
Probably five new PAs that aregoing to be onboarding over
the next eight months or so.
And so they'll be mainly at thathospital doing all the learning stuff.
And my company is really great.
Like when they say like you're goingto have one year of learning, it's not
like, Oh, we're actually going to throwyou into the wolves in two months.
It's a true learning basis.
And I feel like our company does areally good job trying to value us and

(55:24):
make us feel valued most of the time.
They're a company still, but theydo a really good job of, , helping
the PAs when they need it.
And we have a really receptivesupervisor who's also a PA as well.
Uh, and we all really like each other.
All the PAs work really well.
We're not gunning for some of eachother and like trying to like, I don't

(55:46):
know, steal cases and stuff like that.
, we do a pretty good job helping.
We do a lot of like individualget togethers and stuff like that.
So it was fun.
I forgot to say I'm theonly PA in my practice.
is
what they say, right?
They'll be the first PA and make you work.

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NPEs or just, no, like you're
you're a.

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know these numbers by now.
But, we, I think we havelike six physicians.
And then, me.
And then we used to have a nursepractitioner, but she left in September.
She's been there for a while then.
Yeah, she's been there for 17 years.
And then we have midwives.
We have three midwives.
, but , me and Kristen, theNP, we were the same thing.

(56:27):
, we were clinic only, everybodyelse, the midwives and the docs have
like a call day and a post call day.
, but yeah, I'm the onlyPA in the office, so.

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That's the one thing I love about our profession is like we're all three
PAs and our jobs are completely different.
Like we have the same title, but we do not
do any of the same things.
And

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Then also, like,, if I didn't want to workin gynecology anymore, , my 2nd interest
far from 1st, but 2nd interest was peds.
So, like, if I was, like, I really don'tlike this repetition, I could go work
in peds, but peds is also repetitive.
So.

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think everything, like I think I've decided everything kind of

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Yeah, that's, that's, my thingwas like, I don't want repetition.
Like day to day.
Right.
And
so like, thankfully, uh, I was ableto talk to my supervisor about that.
And I am currently credentialed, I think,at four or five different hospitals.
So like next week I'm atthree of those five hospitals.
So it's, it's pretty nice.
I would hate that.

(57:34):
And I love it.
Cause I get to see all differentpeople every single day.
See, I am an extroverted introvert.
And so, if I am in a situation to whereI am like, , I'm having to meet new
people or be with people I haven't seenin a while, it, I'll like pull back.
But if I'm like with the same peopleevery day, I'm like, What's up, Dr.
Shimer?

(57:54):
Hey, like
I'm like the personality in our office.
Um,

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I can see that,
Brittany.
I can see that.

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But if I had to go to threedifferent hospitals in one week,

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That would be a lot.
Uh, yeah.
See, I, I don't thinkI'm a hospital person.
That's what I decided.
Like, I'm, that's just like, not
my setting.
I would be fine if I had to do it, butlike, it wouldn't be my preference ever.

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would be.
I wouldn't be.
I wouldn't

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so I, so here's my thing.
I love an OR.
Like if I could do general surgery andlike just be in an OR and not have like
the schedule of general surgery and the
call and all that,like, I would love that.
Yeah.
Like, but if, but like, that's where derm,you know, I still get to do procedures,
but it's not that, um, but yeah, my, and

(58:50):
then my second, if I didn't do.
Derm, I'd do either general surgeryor , endocrinology would be my
second, which I, so here's the thing.
Here's the thing.
So I hated it in PA school.
I hated it.
Like that was, that was my leastfavorite section of didactic.
So because of that, I was, whenI was choosing rotations or

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it.
You got to split it.

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I went and I did
an endocrine rotation and I loved it.
I was like, this makes no sense becauseI hate this, but now I love this.
And so I just like, and honestly,I had a terrible preceptor.
Like I did not like,
him at all, but just actuallydoing endocrine, I enjoyed so much.

(59:40):
And so if.
Isn't that so weird though?

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905 (59:43):
I mean, when people would say like, yeah,
do your electives and what you didn't dowell in, in didactic, I'm like, I would
never do a cardio rotation in my life.
Keep me away from the heart.
You

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I probably should have.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905 (59:59):
a substantial amount, you know, from the
heart to, you know, where I need to be.
That's a pretty good approach.
Distance.
I'm good.
I'm good.
You'd be a podiatrist.
I could be.
I could be a foot pa, but

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see I would not
want to do that.
I see way too many feet in my
job.
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Yeah.
Uhhuh.
Mm-Hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, I send a lot of,uh, vulvar moles to you.
Um, I send a lot of hair thinning
acne.
Mm-Hmm.
. Mm-Hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah, we, that, yeah.

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We do get a lot of those referrals.

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What,
if you send me a vulnerable?
Yeah.
so here's the thing, and that's,that's the thing, like if it, if
it is external, like I can see it,
sometimes people come and they'relike, I have this like internal
mole, and I'm like, Idon't, like, I literally
can't, I, I don't havethe tools to see that.
Yeah, and so, and, and that's,you know, a few certain.

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People that will send that to usand we're like, Hey, like we just
aren't really equipped for that.

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I ever did on a vulnerable, , the patient that was also the first
patient who ever passed out on me.
Like right in the middle, like.
Just out and

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it was also like I was fairly new.
I don't even practicing for maybelike 6, 8 months and I like went to my
doctor and I was like, Hey, like I'venever done this type of biopsy before.
Like, what do I need to do?
Just like, it's fine.
Just do it normal.
Like you always wouldlike just a little punch.
It's fine.
And I was like, okay.
And then the patient passes out andI'm like, I'm never doing this again.

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She was already laying down.

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was laying down but likeeyes rolling back like

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my

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It wasn't good, but I was like in the middle of it I was
like, I just gotta finish this like
y'all fan her y'all talk toher like get her awake But like

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Yep And that's what we
did.
So, yeah.
Yeah, she was, wasn'tvery happy with me, but
that's fine.
Uh,

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Mhm.

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degrees.
I'm like,
it's gotta stay cool in hereor everybody's gonna pass out
on me.

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fan, so anytime anybody getslike, I feel woozy, I'm like, get
my fan!

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yeah.
I'm feeling a little hot.
I'm
like, lay back,

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peanut butter crackers.

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We got a Coke and a straw, yep.

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fun times in medicine.

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So that was a good reason.
So I just held on to the littlefluoroscopy machine and we went back down.
It was good.
I've never had anyone pass out on me.
Nauseous.
Yes.
But, um,

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on wood.

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are the people who are in lab.
We have a special whistle system.
So Ms.
Betty has a whistle that she blowswhenever somebody is starting to pass out.
And then the providerswill go up there and make
sure that

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I, we have quite, we havequite a few, uh, honestly with

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Okay.
So when I did the
first time I ever saw the first timeI saw a punch biopsy, I was in college
shadowing and you just don't expectit to be as deep as it is and all that.
And then the PA looked at me andshe was like, you need to sit down.
And I was like, Yes,
I do.

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I'm glad she

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excision like on
the shoulder.
Um, and it, you know, you can excise anycysts anywhere on the body and I'd be
fine, but just the shoulder where there'slike not a whole lot of tissue there
and like, like weird scraping noises.

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That's what got me.
And I, it, I mean, I, I'vewatched knee replacements.
I've watched C sections.
I have seen barbaricstuff , and, um,, and that I
was like.
All I could think of was likejust a pa like, you know, just
a pa at just APA on Instagram.
She was like, if you're,she's a surgery pa.

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So she's like, if you're gonnapass out, leave, do not be a
second patient in the room.
And so, like, my butt was sweating.
I was starting to get like cold, but I was
sweating.
I was starting to get nauseous.
I was like, I need to get outta here.
I need to get outta here.
And I was like, but I was like,don't be a little b Brittany.
Don't be, don't be a little.

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No, you gotta get out.

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But I was like, get out, get out.
And I was like, I'mgoing to go sit out here.
And I like went and sat in a chair andmy preceptor like walks around the corner
cause he was not in that procedure.
And he was like, Oh, you are very white.
And I was like.
Yeah, not feeling the best.
And then that night I was staying atmy cousin's house for that rotation.

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And I was like, I need to wash my pants.
I got sweat all up in my booty.
It was not a good situation.
It was not good.

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That's it.
Everybody has their like thing.
And I think if you see it enough, you get.
But yeah,
that's how I am with ortho stuff.
Like bones I don't do.
And I have the exact sameexperience on a ER rotation.
A kid had broken both ofhis arm bones and they
had him sedated.
And the doctor was like,here, come feel it.

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You need to recreate the injuryto set it and he like made me
feel it and move it around.
And my vision just startedlike going, I could feel it.
And I was like, ah, like, andI was like, I'm going to go.
And so I walked out and like, at thatpoint, like couldn't see just stars.

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And I was, I sat down in the nurse'sstation, like in a chair and they came out
and they're like, you look like a sheet.

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I was about to hit the floor.

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don't do that to me again, and then my preceptor was like, yeah, ER's not
for you, and I was like, okay, thank you.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: I really hate critical. (01:06:31):
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Yeah,

Track 1 (01:06:33):
I don't either, but he was, he was very like blunt and
straightforward, and he was just like,

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905 (01:06:39):
I
mean, I could totally do derm.
Totally.

Track 1 (01:06:42):
yeah, you, I mean, yeah,

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: Totally. (01:06:43):
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But like,
maybe like excisions on shoulders,I would give that to Savannah.

Track 1 (01:06:48):
Well, well, so like the PI I work with, she won't do an ASIS.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: Really? (01:06:52):
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Track 1 (01:06:53):
Um, so she won't do, yeah, she doesn't do any cis excisions, like
she just doesn't like them, and that's
fine.
And then the other PA that works withus doesn't do any excisions at all.
So,

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: Do you (01:07:03):
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do excisions?

Track 1 (01:07:05):
I love them.
Like, I would be fine
doing all of that.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: Well, the, the, the precepts, (01:07:09):
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so I did a derm rotation.
And, um, the PAs didn't do excisions.
So, I didn't know if that was,

Track 1 (01:07:19):
It just, it's practiced a bit.
So my old practice, Ididn't do them very much.
But I do a lot more cosmetics and in thisoffice I do a lot more surgical cases
and less cosmetics.

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Nice.

Track 1 (01:07:32):
which is my, my preference.

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Nice.
Now on the last day of my derm rotation,I saw this great, and you probably
call them something different, butblackhead on this person's back, and
I was like, I was telling my preceptorthat I wanted to get these things so
bad, but he was like, oh, nope, gottasuggest an excision for that, because you
gotta get the whole sac out, whatever.

Track 1 (01:07:55):
yeah, yeah.
Can't just
drain it.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: yeah. (01:07:57):
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And the last I like pointed out to him.
I was like, and then he was like, youknow, you got a pretty big open coma
dome on the back of on your back.
Do you want us to get that for you?
And I was like,
and so I got, I got it out andI even got the sack out too.

Track 1 (01:08:17):
Good job.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: it was, it was quite, (01:08:18):
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Track 1 (01:08:20):
Derm's very rewarding
when you like fix itor get it or whatever.
You're just

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Yeah.

Track 1 (01:08:27):
got that.
I got that.

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Uh huh.
Yeah.
And sometimes, I mean, I'm sure you see itwith like HS, like in the groin and stuff.

Track 1 (01:08:36):
Yeah, we get a lot of those referrals

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905 (01:08:37):
yes.
Yes, that is also anotherone that I send to you.
Yeah, because they'll be, they'llbe like, I get these bumps all
over me and I'm like, yeah.

Track 1 (01:08:46):
Yeah.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: brutal disease process there. (01:08:46):
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Yeah.
Yeah, I've seen somecommercials out there.

Track 1 (01:08:59):
Um, cause when I started, like, we just didn't really have much
at

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: like, or antibiotics, right? (01:09:06):
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Like,

Track 1 (01:09:08):
Yeah.
Antibiotics, topicals, um, sometimeshormonal therapy will help some,
but like, it, yeah, now there,there are some medicines that do
better and then reallylike even surgery doesn't.
Help
often and can cause some problems.
So,

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: more scarring on top of scarring really. (01:09:27):
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Track 1 (01:09:30):
yep, exactly.
And so, yeah, it's like, that'sa tough one that that's the
hard part about Derm is there areso many things that like, we don't
have a reason for, like, why ithappened or why somebody has it.
Um, and
we don't have a cure,
so it's just a lot ofconversations about that,

(01:09:52):
um,

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: I always tell people, I can't (01:09:52):
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tell you what you do have, but Ican tell you what you don't have.

Track 1 (01:09:57):
yeah.
And there's a lot of thatand figuring out, so, yeah.
But it's fun.
I'm not planning on going anywhere.
I
like my, my job.

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Yeah, you also have oneof those coveted jobs.

Track 1 (01:10:13):
I do, and I have a fantastic office and practice that,
It's just like crazy flexible and
kind and
yeah, like as long as y'allhave me, I will be here.

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That's awesome.
That's kind of how I feel about mine.
I feel really happy every day that I'mlike, I somehow landed this great job
with great pay, really good benefits,and they're actually willing to teach
me everything that I need to know, and
they're not going to force me?
Like, what?
Yeah.
And

Track 1 (01:10:44):
that's a bit like, I think all of us have great jobs.
Like it's like, you hear a lot ofcomplaints about jobs, but like,
we're here to say like, they're also
great jobs out there

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I think also though, youhave to be adaptable.
Yeah.

Track 1 (01:10:59):
I agree with that.

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But I really do like my job, so.
I think
it was a good place for like, new grads.
Really good place for new grads.
Because we have, whatdid I say, six doctors?
I don't know if that's accurate,

Track 1 (01:11:11):
A lot of people to learn from.
Yeah,

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905 (01:11:13):
And like, I'm constantly surrounded by people.
So I always had somebodyto ask questions to.
Whenever I had to.

Track 1 (01:11:20):
lucky to have you.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905 (01:11:22):
Oh,

Track 1 (01:11:25):
Well, y'all are great to talk to.
This is going to be like oneof my favorite episodes ever.

squadcaster-bc4h_1_01-20-2024_202905: Glad to help. (01:11:30):
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We like it.

Track 1 (01:11:33):
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