January 20, 2025 • 59 mins
A lot of professional organizers are in an age range that makes this topic SUPER important--and it's one that you might need help navigating. We are talking about perimenopause, menopause, and post-menopause as professional organizers.
Links for products Kim recommends are below the timestamps!
Navigating Perimenopause and Menopause as a Professional Organizer with Kim Snodgrass of Rustic Home Organizing
Today we dive into a topic Melissa has wanted to cover for a while—menopause, perimenopause, and post-menopause, especially as it impacts professional organizers.
Melissa and Kim share their personal experiences, challenges, and tips for managing symptoms while running a business. They emphasize the importance of advocating for oneself, whether with doctors or clients, and highlight the need for organizers to take care of their health and comfort on the job. The conversation includes practical advice such as using cooling products, ensuring proper hydration, and speaking up for personal needs.
00:42 Discussing Menopause and Perimenopause
02:18 Personal Experiences and Challenges
06:09 Health Advocacy and Medical Insights
09:10 Impact on Daily Life and Business
24:58 ADHD and Menopause: A Complex Relationship
31:50 Understanding Modern Life's Impact on Attention
33:04 Menopause and Unexpected Symptoms
34:36 Client Interactions and Personal Comfort
35:48 Managing Heat and Staying Cool on the Job
37:21 Practical Tips for Organizers
44:07 Adapting to Physical Changes
53:51 Advocating for Yourself and Finding Resources
58:27 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
Links for cooling products Kim recommends (NOT affiliate links, this isn't an ad, it's actual stuff she uses!)
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Hey Pro Organizers, my name isMelissa Klug and you are listening
to the Pro Organizer Studio Podcast.
Professional organizingchanged my entire life.
After 20 years of working at hugecompanies, I started working for myself.
I opened a professional organizingbusiness, grew it to six
figures, and I never looked back.
Now I get to spend all day, every day,teaching organizers around the world.
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How to find clients, how to marketand sell yourselves, how to turn this
business into what you want it to be.
Whether you have been in businessfor 15 minutes or 15 years, you
have a home at Pro Organizer Studio.
I'm excited that you're here.
Let's get started.
Hey pro organizers.
It's Melissa and I am here witha podcast that I've actually
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wanted to do for a long time.
And I found the perfect person totalk about it with my friend Kim.
She's been on the podcast several times.
But we are talking about something thatis really, really important to chat about,
That we are starting to hear more aboutout in the greater world in the news
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is menopause and perimenopause andpost-menopause and all of those things.
And it is still something that maybe somepeople are uncomfortable talking about.
But because there are so many women inthis industry and because there may be
things happening to you that you are like,oh, hey, I didn't know what this was.
That's what happened to me.
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That's what happened to my guest, Kim.
And so we just wanted to havea podcast about what you may be
going through and your organizingbusiness and not even realize it.
Couple of caveats.
First of all, neither of us are doctors.
We make people's underwear drawers.
Very pretty.
So, obviously this is not a substitute forany sort of actual medical information in
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the same way that Instagram and Tik TOKare not substitutes for medical education.
And the second thing is Idid record this awhile ago.
So, um, even though like today,when I am recording this intro, it
is negative 14 degrees at my house.
Um, you are going to hear mein one section, talk about air
conditioning and you might belike, well, I'm very confused.
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We recorded this a while ago.
All right.
I would like to reintroduce youto someone who gets so much love
when she comes on the podcast.
So I'm thrilled to have herback to talk about this.
It's my friend Kim Snodgrass ofRustic Home Organizing in Oregon.
Well, before we hit record, we weretalking about, I couldn't make this up
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if I tried, chin hairs and gray, grayeyebrow hairs, which really leads us
like beautifully into this conversation.
Kim, how are you?
I am good.
Yeah, that we definitely kindof down an interesting path.
I, I have said this many timesbefore, just depending on the guests.
Like when it's someone that Iactually know in real life, like
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you we should probably recordthe podcast before the podcast.
That would probably be morepopular than what we're actually
Possibly you possibly maybecould have taken a few little
bits and pieces from that.
Right.
Yeah.
But I asked Kim to be herewith me for a few reasons.
One, she's delightful.
Two, she and I talk offline aboutthe subject quite a bit, and it's
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something that impacts organizers a lot.
And also, because your podcastepisodes, people love hearing from you.
So I decided it was time to have you back
yes.
I'm excited too.
This is great.
And it's definitely a topic thatyou and I have covered a lot.
And even though I'm not a doctor, Iwould love to just weigh in on what
I have figured out, learned, and.
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What you're experiencing.
What we were talking about today,and this might not be everybody's
cup of tea, and that is okay.
If you are not comfortabletalking about this stuff, you
can skip on and don't listen.
But, we are talking about perimenopause,menopause, and being an organizer and a
business owner and all of those things,and how they all interact together.
And I actually love that we're talkingabout this because I believe that and
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I've seen it with my kids for sure.
I think this new generation of kids, andwe both have kids in the same ish age
category, they're a lot more open abouttalking about things that impact us, like
body stuff and all that kind of thing.
Like, whereas we grew up a littlebit more, you know, you didn't
talk about these things and theywere private and they were buttoned
up and no one talked about it.
I think we're doing a much betterjob in talking about Major things
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health wise that impact us, butsome people are still like a little
about talking about perimenopause,menopause, that type of thing.
Have you seen that?
A hundred percent.
And just to back up a little bit, Idon't know if Michael aka Steve is
listening, but he might want to justlike forward to the next episode
because this might not be for him.
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Okay, so what Kim's talking about is wehave it's a small number, but we have
some men in our Inspired Organizer group.
There was one of our Inspired Organizermembers who is a dude, Michael Quan.
Hello, Michael.
Who actually probably doesn'tlisten to this podcast, but at
the How To (05:09):
Summit, he was there and got to know a bunch of people.
And then he was on one of our livezooms where we ended up talking about
kegels and all sorts of other things.
And he was like, I don't knowwhat's going on right now.
So anyway, but he's a goodsport, which is great.
But yeah, but these areimportant things to talk about.
And I know it might feeluncomfortable, but like, these are
things everybody's dealing with it.
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But if we don't talk aboutit, we all think we're alone.
I agree.
I, I do think for me, I've had toshift my thoughts of not so taboo as
far as the menopause, perimenopauseand what all that means, but it's just
almost, you know, your body is justtransitioning into a whole new world.
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Phase.
And there is no manual.
There's no heads up.
It's coming.
It hits everybody differently.
That's what I have learned.
I, I know how it has hit me.
But things that I suffer from,I can talk to somebody else
that they're not feeling that.
But they're feeling so many other things.
But what I realized this last year ishow much it was impacting my daily life.
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And how I could operate.
How it was affecting parts of mybody that I was clueless on why they
were doing what they were doing.
And then after deep diving, doing lotsof blood work, lots of doctor visits,
figuring out what was causing a lot of it.
Was shocking that something so simpleas low estrogen and what it was doing
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to me as a whole and I think I'm stillstruggling and this statement is
probably a little bolder than you wantedto dive into right away, but I think
what I'm I am trying to wrap my headaround is why we are so uncomfortable.
When our body is supposed to naturallybe doing this, and so for me, I'm trying
to figure out does this mean we'rehitting this perimenopause, menopause,
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postmenopause stage in our life too soon?
Is our body not ready for it?
Is it food?
Is it environment?
You know, what is all of this?
Because I have been sohealthy my entire life.
And then all of a sudden to feel likea pile of dog poop on a daily basis
has really thrown me for a loop.
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And I think that there's more and moreresearch being done, which is fantastic.
I'm hoping that my girls don't haveto suffer as much as long as I did.
And I'm hoping they don't have to dosome of the things that I'm doing.
I hope that there's going to beadvances or understanding of how
to prevent some of this stuff.
One of the things when you talk aboutyou know is this just normal is it or
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is it you know is it happening earlieris it any of those things I think the
hard part with that is we don't reallyknow I mean I'm sure doctors know
but we don't really know because ourparents didn't talk about these things
like it was not discussed like it'sjust really recently and I think it It,
what I have seen is it is social media,sometimes social media does good things.
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There have been some reallygood social media coverage of
perimenopause, menopause, postmenopause.
I mean, one of the resources that Ipersonally recommend and use a lot is Dr.
Mary Claire Haver, who is she's an OBGYNwho specializes in menopause research.
And one of the reasons I like heris because she is talking about
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how OBGYNs do not get trained.
On menopause, like I think her statisticwas it was like two days of medical
school or something about menopauseand she is just basically saying
like, Hey, we're not educated in this.
And so we're, we're lettingwomen kind of suffer.
It is a normal process.
But there are things that wehaven't been talking about.
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And so I think it's,it's really important.
And I think for someone like you and me,I've generally been pretty healthy too.
But you start to feel like reallybad and you think, Oh my gosh,
something major is going on.
Nope.
It's actually something teeny tiny,
very tiny.
microscopic that is impacting how I feelwhen I wake up, how I don't have as much
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energy at jobs, all that kind of thing.
My biggest eyeopening moment was when.
I was about to have my handsall sliced and diced again here.
I was going to do it September becausemy erosive arthritis diagnosis that
I had they said it was genetic.
Which from what I read it is but I wasready to have all 10 fingers cut open and
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cleaned out and stitch backed up, whichwould have meant my business was going to
be put on hold for quite a bit of time.
It's a six week recovery and again,
life.
yeah.
And cutting open your fingers,you know, I had, they were huge.
I could barely move them.
I was struggling working.
I was getting the cystson all the fingers again.
And for about the sixth time in theyear, I went back to the doctor and
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just said, you know, can we, canwe just relook at all of my blood?
And it's when we realized thatmy estrogen had plummeted.
And but then you start deep diving intoestrogen is what protects our joints.
And it gives this little armor to them.
And when I lost my estrogen,I lost my armor to my joints.
So then my geneticarthritis attacked them.
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And so as soon as I went on the estrogenpatch, which was a very difficult decision
for me, and this is a, I know this is hardfor everybody with hormone replacement
therapy because I do have breast cancer inmy family and it was something we wanted
to stay away from but my body was like,things were terrible were happening to it.
Anyway, fast forward two months,my swelling's down, my cysts are
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gone, and my joints are fine.
They're not percent, but it's notunderstanding, I think, how menopause
can affect the loss of certain hormones.
How it can affect other parts of ourbody that we wouldn't think it's tied to.
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I wouldn't have thought that myarthritis was tied to loss of estrogen.
I would have no idea.
I, I for sure, until Istarted, really realizing what,
like, I'm in perimenopause.
And when I started to realize that,I was like, Oh, this explains things.
Like after I started reading aboutall the things that can happen.
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I'm like, Oh, this explains a lot ofthings for me, but if you don't know
that it's going on, you start to feellike, I think I might be breaking.
I'm either breaking down or I'mgoing crazy or all of the above.
That's at least how I felt.
I was like, why am I fullof rage for no reason?
And then I talked to a friendwho's a little older than I am.
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And she's like, cause perimenopause.
I'm like, pardon?
excuse me.
And it was just funny becauseI didn't have the emotions.
I was
That's the thing iseverybody's so different.
I wasn't sad, and so I just was havingthis arthritis and severe hot flashes.
RIght.
Severe, but it wasn't just a hot flash.
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So mine were a progression ofa quick anxiety attack that
would last about 30 seconds.
I couldn't describe it.
It would be a fight or flight feelingand like something, what just happened,
like the universe, just like somesort of weird shift just happened
because I was fine three seconds ago.
And then my heart rate would spikeand at times, and I've even recorded
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it on my watch to show The doctor,it would spike from like a 72 to 170.
And so then I would want to, that'san extremely high heart rate.
I mean, that's like high cardio impact
Yeah, that's like running anultra marathon at a sprint.
And then it would be,I'm going to throw up.
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then a couple minutes later, the sweatwould pour out and then it would be over.
But I was having those15 to 20 a day and I
That's a lot.
That's a
could, I couldn't, Iwas struggling at jobs.
I would panic if I went into somebody'shouse and it was there was no airflow.
I mean, I would be like, I don't knowhow I'm going to be here all day long.
And so I also want to kind of talkabout a little little tricks that I've
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learned along the way in case anybodyis going through that that's listening.
But again, I suffered with thosefor a year and I don't think I
should have suffered that long.
And I really did have to bean advocate for my own health.
I had to really, really, really push,even though I really like my doctor and I
see a naturopathic slash regular doctor.
She does both.
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But I had to keep sayingsomething isn't right.
Something isn't right.
And it wasn't her that told me aboutthe estrogen affecting my Joints.
It was me doing my research and thenbringing it to her and her confirming it.
So you really do have to be an advocatefor yourself and not that Google can
tell you the truth, but it can lead youto a few clues that might be happening
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and then bring that to your doc.
That really helped me a lot.
Yeah.
And I love what you're saying too.
This is coincidental that we arerecording this a day that a good
friend of mine was like, I'm having.
You know, XYZ problems.
And according to Google, it'seither, this simple thing.
She's like, or it might be cancer.
And I'm like, don't go to Google forimmediate medical advice, but there is now
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a lot more stuff about you do have to do.
Not every doctor is the right one for you.
And I think we have this idea.
Kind of a tangent, but I think we havethis idea that like every doctor must just
be like the best, smartest, best person.
I have a really good friend whois a medical, by the way, a lot of
friends who are dear, dear friendswho are doctors and wonderful doctors.
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This is not a doctor slam, but I hada friend who was in medical school and
I said to her, Hey, how many peoplekind of like flame out first year?
Like how many people arenot in your class anymore?
And she's like, Oh, no one.
She goes, they make sure once youget in, they make sure you graduate.
So she had a guy in her class who wason his third time at his first year.
Well, that guy will be a doctor someday.
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So it's just, just a message that if youdon't feel like you're being listened to.
If you don't feel like you know thatsomeone is really taking your care
or your concerns seriously, you canfind someone else and just say, is
this really just like a second opinionon, Hey, is this doctor telling me
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all the same things the first doctor?
So maybe this seems right.
Or is there something else?
no, no, that's, that's very true.
I think too, I think where I startedto realize like something's got to
give here is the amount of medicationthat kept getting prescribed
to me to cover up the symptoms.
So the, the heart rate was a bigconcern because that's, you know,
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Having those that many a day, thatwas, that's not good for your heart.
So then I get put on beta blockersto slow, to slow my heart rate down.
And then I get put on this other drugthat you can get from a compound pharmacy
that they give to opioid addicts,but they give it to you in low doses.
And this kind of helps with chronic pain.
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And I mean, at onepoint I was taking like.
6 to 10 pills throughout the day.
This is from somebody who tooknothing her whole life to 6 to 10.
I was like, I can't do this.
I literally can't, I won't do this.
That's why,
patch took all of that away.
and you're right.
These are all really personal decisions.
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And I know that by the way, this isobviously not medical advice because we
make people's underwear drawers pretty.
We are not doctors, but it is just beinglike, I really love what you said about
being an advocate for yourself because.
Yeah.
One of the things that, like Isaid, OBGYNs are sometimes a great
place to go, but they might notbe the right place for some things
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that you would think they would be.
Sort of like how organizers always thinkrealtors should be a great source of
referrals for them, and in fact they are.
You know what I mean?
It's those things that like,make sense, and you go like,
well, I'm having this problem.
It's an OBGYN problem.
My OBGYN should be able to help me.
Sometimes they're just notas well versed in it either.
And so it's about finding someone thatwill listen to you and figure out,
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hey, is there a deeper problem here?
For you, it looked like thislittle estrogen patch that
fixed a lot of other things.
Yeah, which was crazy.
yeah I, so I'm very fortunate that Ihave an OB GYN who's the loveliest.
She is one of my favorite people and wefound out during one of my pregnancies
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that we were born on the exact same day.
I, this year, was like, I am goingin to see her, last year I didn't see
her, I saw someone else, and I'm goingin to see her because I know that she
will know precisely what I am talkingabout, because we are the same age.
But then you also realize that,like, no, that's actually not true,
because your symptoms are wildlydifferent than mine, which are
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wildly different, like, everybodyhas different stuff going on, too.
Right.
And, and that's hard too, becauselike I have friends I talk to this
about, talk about this with, andthey're all, you know, some of my
friends are having tons of hot flashes.
I'm lucky that I haven't had thatyet, but I'm kind of hot all the time.
Yeah.
Yes, there's it's definitely a differenceand my temperature did start to rise.
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I would say about four yearsbefore I so Oh, really quick.
I also learned in a book I was listeningto and I can't reference it off the
top of my head, but I learned thatthere the three phases of menopause the
perimenopause menopause and postmenopause.
I learned that menopauseis literally one day.
Which I thought was kind of cool.
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And I don't think everybody realizes that.
So basically you're eitherperimenopause or postmenopause.
Menopause is the day that youhave your one year anniversary.
We all know what thatone year anniversary is.
So yeah, just to anybody out therethat's just entering this phase
of this wonderful magical world.
You really have two areas andwhat determines that is levels.
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Whatever those hormone levels are.
And
Which is estrogen and testosterone, right?
And
yeah.
And then your obviously going one yearwithout a cycle brings you into that.
Actually I think that istechnically medically what
determines your post menopause.
It is.
Yes.
But along with that is theseplummeting levels of these hormones.
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And that's why I wanted to make surethat we were talking about perimenopause
a lot because of the age rangethat a lot of organizers fall in.
And because I know, like me, I'm apretty well read, educated person.
Like I know a lot of randomthings about a lot of things.
And I was extremely uneducated about thelength of time perimenopause could be.
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Years.
It also can start way earlierthan you think it does.
So I think there's this number in ourheads of like, when you're in your
50s, these things start to happen.
No, it can actually, perimenopausecan start in your 30s.
There's no, there's no rhymeor reason to what age it is.
I think, I believe it's a little bitgenetically influenced by your mom.
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But that isn't even always a good arbiter.
And so if there are, if you arein your 30s, you know, mid 30s
and you're like, well, I'm notfeeling quite the same as I used to.
I know for me, it kind of really,I really kind of felt it at like 40
Mine was 41.
you might not realize it, but you areprobably in some stage of perimenopause
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when that estrogen starts to go downand you might start feeling impacts.
Like for me, I never had whatpeople would call PMS ever.
Totally fine.
All of a sudden I'd be like, wow,I just really want to kill everyone
that I come in contact with.
Like including people I love verymuch like what why I don't have any
reason to like, I'm not being attacked.
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Nothing's happening to me.
I'm like, why am I so upset all the time?
And then I'd be like, oh, Oh, it's PMS.
Well, wait, I've never had that before.
These are all like little signs.
And for me, it was also justfeeling a lot more tired.
And even when I got plenty of sleep,all those things weight gain, which
is my favorite, that's the best.
Such a joy.
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Can't can't be more excited about that.
But yeah, there are just a lotof different symptoms that you
might go, Hey, it's perimenopause.
And I have friends now who, you know,I have a group text with one set of
friends or the other day, this womanwas complaining about X, Y, Z symptoms.
And I'm like, just FYI,probably perimenopause.
kind of.
Yeah,
Like, what, what are you talking about?
And looking back, I can see nowwhen I started, that's how I
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know I had my first little cystpop up on my hand when I was 41.
And it just kind of stayed dormantfor about five years before
I had to do anything to it.
But those were the beginning.
Beginning signs of it.
Yeah.
And you know, the lackof sleep, all of that.
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You know, the whole thing really affectsyour daily life and if you're running
a business I think to be preparedfor it because it really does kind
of throw a wrench into your plans.
And there's a lot of diet andexercise that goes along with this.
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And I am not as educated in that.
I'd have a friend of mine thatreally dives deep into that.
And I do get information from her.
And I don't do enough.
I know.
I don't, I know I'm not doing enough of
working on that right now.
I had a very long doctor'sappointment about that earlier this
Yeah, I, I, I dabbled a littlebit, but I was like, I just don't
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enjoy working out like I once did.
It's something that I amconsciously trying to change my
mindset, but I'm not there yet.
But there's just so muchthat goes along with it.
And what you think might not bea symptom could be a symptom and
definitely be an advocate for yourself.
What you said about justas organizer, first of all,
organizing is a physical job.
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We all know that.
And just running a business in general,you know, I don't care how big or small
your your business is running a businesstakes a lot of work and energy and effort.
And as your energy goes down, likeI am a person who in, you know, 10
years ago, 20 years ago, I could havestayed, I could have survived on four
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hours of sleep for a few nights a week.
I mean, that's not good long term, right?
But I had a huge project I was working on.
It was no big deal.
I could get five hours of sleepfunction great the next day.
And sometimes in entrepreneurship, youhave those times where you're like, I
have to work really late, you know, I'mgoing to a client and then I have to
build them and blah, blah, blah, all thethings your energy does start to go down.
And so you have to really protect that.
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And you have to have a plan for that.
And that's something that I'm personallyworking through right now, but that
that's hard to all of it's hard.
Yeah, and there are mornings andand even afternoons where you,
I just feel like crap, I just, Iliterally feel like I partied for
the last three or four days hard,
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Right.
and I don't, nothing really was different.
So that must be something internal goingon and that's also another thing that you
know I struggle with sometimes I have.
If I have a big job the day before,the night before, if I have a big
job, the next day, I'll start likeworrying, Oh, gosh, am I going to sleep?
Am I going to wake up tomorrow andfeel okay and blah, and then you
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just set yourself up for failure?
I have seen in myself, in the,the years since I started my
business, you know, definitely.
Cause I started when I was 42 I definitelyhave seen, like, I used to work seven
days a week and it was no problem.
Like, it really didn't bother me.
I just, I have realizedI can't do that anymore.
That's not something that works for me.
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And I've had to cometo grips with that too.
You know, another thing that Irecently was brought to my attention,
and again, I'm not a doctor, andI am not going to state anything
that I know is overly factual.
But I do see a pattern.
So there is this big wave of allthese late life ADHD diagnosis in
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women, especially in women, not men.
We're not hearing about the men we're
Now, because they getdiagnosed when they're kids.
I know.
And again, I don't, I'm not going to beable to state all of the facts because
my brain doesn't remember things.
And that's not menopause.
That's just me.
That's just my brain.
So imagine it on menopause anyway.
So apparently there is a connectionbetween the loss of hormones.
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And the intensity in whichADHD presents itself.
Interesting.
And the person that I talked to aboutthis had done a deep dive into it and
had a lot more of the clinical research.
So I probably should have written thatdown before we talked, but I didn't.
Which explains
going to call this podcast TikTokmedicine because that's the same thing
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as like any, when you go on TikTok,I got TikTok diagnosed with ADHD.
So that's, that's what this is.
This is not medical advice.
And you know, I got diagnosedalmost two years ago.
In fourth grade my teacher basicallytold my mom your kid's pretty jacked.
And, you know, back then, back thenthey didn't really do much for us
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and mine wasn't the super hyper.
I was just kind of like, Ijust couldn't retain anything.
I was talkative andblah, blah, blah, anywho.
So I was a stay at home mom, most.
Of my adult life with the exceptionof some jobs here and there.
It wasn't until I startedthis business that I realized.
Oh, crap.
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I really struggle at the computer.
Oh, I really struggle like sitting hereand understanding and comprehending
and remembering and like, can youtell me that step one more time?
Or can you tell me thatstep 10 more times?
And so I ended up going to a ADHD clinic.
So my doctor doesn't treat me for it.
I went to a clinic that is 100percent all they treat is ADHD
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because I wanted to understandwhat our brains are doing with it.
Not just give me a pill and sendme on my way, because I know that
anyway, and I've already forgottento know where I was going with
This is a great, I was excited.
I was like, okay, I'm on the train.
Oh.
You know, I just, I, I really dovein deep with my, the, and it's
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a doctor that's, that's all theytreat though, which I wish so much.
And maybe we will get doctorsthat just treat menopause.
a single lane doctor.
percent treat menopause.
Over the last two years of being onthis medicine, we have had to really
play around with types of medicine,time of the day I take the medicine,
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quick release, fast release becauseof the menopause phase of my life that
I'm in and how it affects my What I'mdoing in my body on a daily basis.
So she was talking about allof these TikTok diagnosis
I'm
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sure it drives doctors insane.
does because there is a true brain fogthat comes with menopause and that can
be confused with a true ADHD diagnosis.
Well, I think that's a good point,though, of like, doctors haven't even
figured some of this stuff out, right?
Like, and, like, they makingthose connections for them.
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By the way, a doctor's job is so hard.
Like, having to make all theseconnections between all the things,
like, that seems very stressful, andI would not, not be a good doctor.
But that's really super interesting thatyou can have a symptom, sort of like your
arthritis, that mimics, like, it couldeasily be something else, but it's not.
It's like a Canary in thecoal mine or whatever.
yeah.
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And, and so I do believe there area lot of women in our age range
right now that are being quoteunquote diagnosed with ADHD or ADD.
I think it's just, there is no in between.
You just, presents itself differently.
And I think they've stoppedusing one or the other terms.
I think it's just oneterm now, maybe ADHD.
I don't know.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
but I highly recommend if anybodyis out there thinking they have
it and they have the TikTokdiagnosis, head to a specialist.
It is amazing.
Talk about what your brain is doing,and it is so cool to learn, and it
helps me understand more how I work,and how I operate, and why I do the
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things I've done in the past, and whysome things are happening to me now.
I, I was just lookingfor the text you sent me.
I don't think you'll mind me sayingthis, but when we were trying to figure
out when to tape this, you were like,wait, I have to make sure my meds
have kicked in when I talk to you.
I do!
I have to.
You know, it's interestingin the IO group.
So many people, the young,it's more of the younger ones.
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I think I have this client with ADD andI just, you know, I want to make like,
guys, we're not like this weird beast.
Right.
Well, so we're going to start
different, yeah, there's differentlevels of it and it presents itself
differently and it's not always that.
Yeah, it's,
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is one of the, as I like to talkabout the hills I'll die on is
now, you know, we have seen a lotof people come into the group.
I have a client who tells me she has ADHD.
How do I work with her?
And it's like, well, she couldhave 22 different kinds of it.
Like I have had clientswith ADHD that present.
And I know we've talked about this before,but I'm going to keep talking about it.
ADHD presents a ton of differentways depending on the client.
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Some people become so hyper organizedthat they're over organized.
Some people are the squirrel.
Some people need things in clear bins,but some people want them hidden.
It's all, it's all over the board.
And my going in hypothesis forevery organizer is you should assume
that your client has ADHD untilshe tells you that she doesn't.
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that's what I'm seeing more and more.
I had a consultation the other day andI just, as she was talking to me, I
just, and I sensed she was the kind ofperson that would be cool with this.
I was like, do you mind me asking,have you been diagnosed with ADHD?
She's like, yeah, I totally have.
How did you know?
And I'm like and
industry you can catchon to it pretty quick.
Yeah, definitely.
so figuring that out, we're goingto be talking a lot more about ADHD
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because I think it's really importantfor organizers to really figure out
how to be flexible of their approach.
But your point is, itcould be, could be ADHD.
It could just be menopauseor perimenopause.
It could be both.
It could
It could be a very dysfunctional marriage.
It could be a lot.
It could be a lot of things.
But I definitely, I, I, I willsay, I mean, I know you go
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in thinking everybody has it.
I go in assuming nobody does.
I'm just going to treat everybodyjust where they need to be met at.
So
I don't even go in with like, oh, Iassume you have an actual diagnosis.
I just mean, I assume that right now,because of modern life, all the other
things, all of the people that I'mhelping have some degree, I personally,
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again, not a medical professional, Ijust think that the speed of modern
life, phones, our attention span,all of those things are affecting
all of us, and there might be them.
Right.
Even if we don't have an actualdiagnosis, I think we all just have
the shortest attention spans ever.
And so we can't keep our focus on, youknow, even if a client just doesn't
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want to organize their linen closet,it's because we can't focus on anything.
And so I just am going to assume that Ineed to figure out how to make a plan that
works for everyone, but I need to act asif everybody just probably has, again,
either the TikTok or the actual diagnosis.
Because it's everyone now.
Is definitely.
So yeah, so there's, you know, menopauseI have found totally has affected
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the earth, my arthritis a new one.
This is fun.
This was a lot is in the last six weeksand I thought it was, I didn't know
what it was to be honest with you,but my mouth is so incredibly dry.
yeah, you told me this.
Yeah, that my like inthe middle of the night.
It's almost like I have to peelmy gums from my teeth and like
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it feels like my gums are goingto rip off and stay on my teeth.
this is a very specific complaint.
horrific.
It is so bad.
I don't have bad breath, butI have incredibly dry mouth.
Like, it's the weirdestthing in the entire world.
We all think we've had drymouth until we have dry mouth.
That is, and again, Istarted looking it up.
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And, estrogen affects yoursalvato, salvatory glands?
Salva glands.
Salivary.
Yes, so again, my doctor didn't tell methis, but I deep dive, and it's like gave
like a few different reasons like it couldbe because of medication, and I've been
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on my medication for two years so it wouldhave, I would have already figured that
Sure, yeah.
And.
And then it said low estrogen.
Stop it.
yeah, so I have a dry mouth spray thatI carry around with me at client's house
so that I can actually speak to them whenthey want to, because my mouth is so dry.
Yeah.
It's terrible.
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Well, let's talk about clients.
Because I, okay, so I was at a clientthe other day, I actually put this on
Instagram, and many people chimed in.
I was at a client who is an older manand his house is, he just really doesn't
like air conditioning, he's, it's not amoney thing, trust me, not a money thing.
It is just, he doesn'tlike air conditioning.
His house always has the windows open,and it was 155, 000 degrees in there,
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and I was really proud of myself becauseI just flat out said, now I've worked
with him for a long time, I have a goodrelationship with him but I was like,
hey, Bill, I'm gonna need to ask you,can I turn the air conditioning on?
It's pretty, pretty toasty up here.
He's like, oh, yeah, sure.
He didn't care.
But I was really proud of myself becauseevery other time I've been there, the
million times that I've been to hishouse, I have never, ever said a word.
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And I just have sweat myself silly.
I had many people that responded arelike, Oh, my gosh, I hate when clients
houses are hot, that type of thing.
But I was really proud ofmyself for speaking up for
like, Hey, this is what I need.
And that might seem very tiny to you.
For me, that's a big deal.
I don't I'm usually like, this is fine.
But I have what are some things thatyou have had to do at clients to
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compensate for some of these things?
so the hot flashes.
Thank the Lord have gone almost away.
I get, I get a little bit ofinternal inferno, but I don't
get the high heart rate as much.
If I do, it's only like 110, not 170.
I don't like get beetred in the face anymore.
And that's all because of being onthe patch, but I still do get hot.
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And the, the year that I sufferedwith that, I, it was a big thing.
I like you, I wouldn't say anythingbecause I didn't want to make my clients
uncomfortable because they obviously havethe thermometer set where they want it.
Sure.
Yeah,
but it, it was difficult and it, Imean, it would be sometimes where you're
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literally watching the clock and notbeing able to concentrate almost on
what you're doing or rushing it becauseyou've got to get yourself outside.
So for me, what I did, becauseagain, I didn't speak up.
Which that's changed now.
I do always ask for air ventilation.
Just a window open, something.
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I carried around a mini fan.
It was a rechargeable mini fan.
And it had a little stand with it.
It was like $10 on Amazon.
And that saved my life.
So when I got like super overheated, Icould just hold it on me for a second.
That was very, very helpful.
I always made sure I had ice inmy water and I would guzzle that.
I had no problem walking outsidehere or there for a few minutes.
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Now in the summertime, that waswhen it was 100 degrees outside.
That didn't
didn't help.
For me having, I'm not a team, I'm a soloorganizer, but I do have an assistant
and my assistant doing all of the.
Loading back and forth that saved my life.
I would always switch my shoes midday
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Okay.
because if you think about it, likewhen you get really hot, they either
say like, cool your wrists, coolthe back of your neck your ankles.
And so our shoes get so hot.
Oh, I never really I'venever thought about that.
they're almost like little heating pads.
So they just hold that heat.
And so midday, I would change myshoes and that was a game changer.
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Interesting.
I never thought about that.
changed my shoes and my socks.
They're refreshed.
So they weren't likeholding all this heat.
That's interesting because I live in sucha cold place and we always, we have foot
warmers for the winter when we're outside.
We need foot coolers.
We need foot coolers for
I mean, I'm sure we could probablyjust get like, yeah, interesting.
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Okay.
I never really thought about that.
Yeah.
Obviously I would dress in layers.
I didn't always love to wear atank top at a client's house, but
eventually it would end up my tank.
I would just have my, my work tanktop on the dry wicking yoga pants.
I know there's a lot of organizers thatdon't think that's very professional
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and Maybe not, but the houses I'mworking in, I usually have to come
home and hop right in the shower.
I'm not, you know, dealing in thesame realm maybe as some, so I didn't
have a problem wearing my yoga pants.
And then for me, even thoughI was changing my shoes,
my shoes were flip flops.
Just the flip flop girl.
And yeah, the, the heat is a,it's a, it's a thing in the
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There were, I'll have to put linkstogether, but when I was in Japan, it
gets really, really hot in Japan in thesummer and they had all, they have like a
ton of technology for trying to stay cooland there was a thing I need to look into
it, but it's like an ice ring you wear
Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.
Oh, that was the other thing I ordered.
I ordered these really cute pink.
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They're like this size.
I know if you're not watching it, I'm likeputting my hands up and giving this size.
Yeah.
I'd put and they're for like injuriesand they have like the velcro strap
on them, but I would put those inthe small of my back and I would
have a cooler in the car that wouldhave an ice pack so I could swap it
You could switch to switch it out.
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Yep.
Oh my gosh, that helps so much.
And you can put that under your shirt.
So it's not even being
Yeah.
It's not visible.
Oh my gosh, that helps so much.
And we'll for anything that you love,I'll totally link it in the show notes.
Like if
Okay.
I do have a few go tos, especially thathandheld fan because it's purse size.
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It fits in my tool bag.
It can fit in my pocket and thecharge holds for a couple of days.
And I'm a, I'm a big fan of that guy.
that's good.
You're a big fan of the fan.
I'm a big fan.
Yeah.
But I just think that as much as possiblefor us to within the, you know, the level
of our comfort to just be upfront withclients about, Hey, you're going to get
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better work out of me if I can be cool.
And by the way, this is, this justgoes for, if you're even not in
perimenopause or post menopause, like.
Making sure you're comfortablewith a client is good for a
hundred different reasons.
You're going to work better all thethings, but especially during this
time, if you want to continue towork and be productive, speaking up
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occasionally, I've, I realized thatthat's a me problem, not a client problem.
The clients aren't frustrated by it.
No, they aren't.
And I know one way for like peoplelike you and me who maybe don't
want to be upfront about it.
I've said this before, and this I usedmore to go towards having the, the space
ready and set up and dogs not sniffsniffing my, you know what, all the time.
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But sending an email a day or two before.
Of setting expectations and just saying,you know, we work fast because we want
you to get the most bang for your buck.
If you could, you know, have thehouse at 68, I, that, you know, even
if it's not that comfortable for you,it really helps us work so much more.
Or have a fan available, somethinglike just stating what you need
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because the client doesn't know.
They're sitting there at theirdesk working or watching you,
which drives me out of my mind.
know that's your least favoritething when someone watches you.
Can you please not watch me ever,
Please leave me
I just, you know what, my workt shirts are now going to say,
I need you to stop watching.
need you to please exit the space.
Thank you very much.
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Leave.
Leave with your belongings.
No offense.
Get out.
Yeah so I think that's a really good justway to just, you know, Set the precedence.
Not every client's going toread it, but most of them will.
And maybe if it's just set, you justdon't even have to have the conversation.
Make your
Or even if you just have, like, even ifyou don't want to do a whole, you know,
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expectation document, which I think isa great idea you could just say, hey,
just a couple of things for our session.
And, you know, if it's, if that's thekind of the non negotiable, just, you
know, Give them the, give them a texta couple days beforehand saying, hey,
just something that people don't oftenthink about, but it really helps us.
Or you can literally just say toa person, hey, I'm just having
a little bit of a medical thing.
It's not, not, not a big deal,but you know, if we could take the
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temperature down, that would be great.
There are a lot of ways you can say it.
You don't have to like come out and
Yeah.
Cause really working, working in astuffy home is, is really uncomfortable.
It's so
what you have going on.
It's the worst for our
It really is.
Yeah.
Yeah.
My hothouse client the other dayI found I wasn't going to be there
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for a super, super long time.
So I didn't want to go through thewhole rigmarole, but I happened
to find like one of their emptyrooms had one of those vortex fans.
And I'm like, I'm not even
Plug that in.
I'm just taking it.
If he has questions, I'll answer them.
But I'm like, I plug in that baby and, andit made it like a billion times better.
So
I did start carrying in my car andthis even goes for winter time.
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You know, we don't get as cold asMinnesota, but we do get cold here
and then people crank the heat.
And so now you're in a housethat's 82 degrees and fake heat.
Anyway, I did start carrying whenCostco gets them in the, the WUZU fans.
Yes.
The small little round guy, they'requiet you know, and they oscillate up,
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down, all around, and they have goodpower for just a small little guy.
And I did bring, have that onone job because I just, I've
got to have some airflow.
Especially for longer ones.
Are there any other thingsthat you have found, like,
outside of the actual session?
Like, sleep, or food,or anything like that?
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Anything else that you have found?
You're further in thejourney than I am, so.
I will say there is a really bigdifference when you can get your
protein in having the protein helpsyour energy level, which you would think
the carbs and all of that would but.
I have found that, and I do thinkthere is some backing behind this, that
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the higher protein meals throughoutthe day helps with that, that energy
constant, not the ups and the downs.
And so I always make sure when Iam working that I have The high
protein yogurt, chicken, likejust, just protein stuff that, that
has definitely helped me a lot.
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Of course they say no alcohol, but Ican't tell you because I haven't, I
to try out that particular
tried that because I don't want to.
That's why.
Yeah.
But, oh, another thing for the in on jobs.
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And this is for anybody that sweats.
It is a lifesaver and I learned it froma client who was going through menopause.
The AMB powder, you can get it on Amazon.
Oh, I don't even know what it is.
Anti monkey butt,
Anti monkey butt.
Oh, I know what monkey butt is.
AMB powder, life changing.
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You can put, you can put thatin crevices from head to toe
Okay.
and it, it traps that sweat and you don'tfeel it dripping down and it's so great.
Interesting.
Okay.
The only reason I know aboutMonkey Butt, boy, this podcast is
really going a lot of direction.
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I know about Monkey Butt because weused to run, if you've ever heard
of Ragnar, by the way, I don't run.
I only drive.
I was the support person.
But there was this like two day.
Sounds like our hood to coast.
Yes, is a huge running race.
I used to drive like my husbandand all the people on our team.
But there was one guy who was soobsessed with monkey, but I mean, he
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was like, constantly like one of ourquote, we always kept a quote book from
the weekend and we're like, Oh, Adam'sputting monkey butt down his pants again.
And it was just like, so that's theonly reason I know what monkey butt is.
But now I'm excited to know that.
and yes, they also have a glidethat is great, you know, and it.
Yeah, for the areas that produce sweata lot, I highly recommend even double
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upping the glide and the powder.
It's, it's good.
It's good stuff.
So it's all about comfort.
My lower back on jobs is a sweaty mess.
You need the ice pack.
I know.
Yeah.
The ice pack is, is amazing.
Yeah, that's actually really smart.
I honestly have never, that's so sillybecause I love, I get migraines a lot
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and I have multiple ice packs for myhead, but I've never considered having
one for like my waist or my back.
That's really, really smart.
But I just think giving yourselfthe grace of, you know, so you
and I are at different scales.
stages of this journey.
I'm just a little bit youngerthan you are, not by very much.
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And again, that agerange is widely varying.
It doesn't matter what age you are.
But I'm still in perimenopause, whichwill last who knows how many years.
I have found like givingmyself the grace of guess what?
I can't do things exactly like I didfive years ago or even a year ago.
Like I have to pivot.
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And I have to be watchingmyself more carefully.
Like I have to be takingbetter care of myself.
That's one thing I have realizedis I haven't been doing a good
job taking care of myself.
And I think that's easy as anentrepreneur to just be like, whatever,
I don't need to go for a walk today.
I have too many things to do.
No, I, I have to, and it's going tohelp keep me healthy to continue to
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organize and coach and do all the things.
For sure.
I noticed that my balance isn't quite as
Yeah, same.
So I have to be a little bit morecautious when I'm going downstairs.
You know, I don't, whereas beforeI could carry like six or seven
boxes and not even see where I'mgoing, I will not do that now.
I, I definitely am more cautious
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I'm carrying and where.
Yeah, I'm glad you said that becauseI actually thought about that earlier
and I had forgotten to say it.
I, I used to be the kind of,and I still am, I'm the kind
of person I like to say yes.
I like to really help a client withthings even that might be outside
of kind of technical job scope.
I had a client recently who like, Twoyears ago, I would have been like, yeah,
let's move that furniture from the attic.
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Let's go.
And I flat out told her, I waslike, babe, I really love you.
And she's much younger than I am.
And I go, I adore you, but I can'tdo that kind of stuff anymore.
I go, can you call your cousin,your neighbor, your whatever?
Like, I, I just am not goingto feel comfortable moving
an armoire from the attic.
Whereas two years ago, I wouldhave been like, yeah, let's go.
Let's do this.
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I just have realized I don't want to, Idon't want to risk doing something stupid
because I definitely am not the same.
Right.
Yeah.
Unfortunately, the menopausedoes take a toll on our bodies.
And I think there's a lot ofthings that you can do to make
it better that aren't all fun.
And that's for me, that's, I know a lotof my problem right now, physically the
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strength is because I'm not working onit and I choose not to at the moment.
And that's where I am.
And I, I had a, I had a little,little heartwarming heartwarming
moment this week with the doctor.
That's like, girl.
put it.
Yeah, so that's, that's going to be my, mynew concentration is figuring some of that
stuff out, but it's, that's important too.
So you've got to, you'vegot to work with people.
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I have finally declared defeaton some of my own problems and
said, I need to go to a doctor.
I need a doctor to helpme with these things.
And, and I just know that it's goingto be hard work that is worthwhile
because I want to be healthy.
yeah, yeah.
decade.
So
and to all those ladies outthere who sleep through the
night, you're so fortunate.
And if all of a sudden, like me, who forlike 40, eight years, slept like a baby.
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And then one night you sleep foran hour and 15 minutes at a time.
I mean, for only maybe two or threesessions that takes a toll on you too.
Your body does slowly start to adjust.
So there is, you will learn how toadapt to some of that loss of sleep.
Unfortunately the hormonesdidn't help that piece with me.
So I still don't do the sleep thing, butAllow yourself a nap, take a nap, take a
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break with a client, go close your eyes.
Like you just got to let yourself get alittle bit of shut eye here and there.
Yeah, legitimately, I don't do it often.
But if it's really, really necessary, Ihave 100 percent by the way, go around
the corner if you need to drive yourcar around the corner if you need to.
I have taken a 20 minute car nap, justto get it's certainly not an enjoyable
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nap situation, but like gettingeven a tiny bit of quiet and rest.
Really can help in my experience.
If you ever see an email for meor an Instagram post or whatever
in the middle of the night, you'regoing to know now why, because
same thing, like it's not, mine'sactually getting a little bit better,
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Oh, that's good.
because we got a new bed.
I also think that's part of it,but yeah, I, we got a new bed
Okay.
Yeah.
that, that has actually helped.
Okay.
I got a cooling mat cooling blanket.
It's actually like, comfortercooling comforter that.
Was a game changer for a littlebit of my comfort at night.
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It's the type that as soon as ithits air, it instantly gets cold.
And when I say cold,I mean, freezing cold.
interesting.
Yeah.
And that that is hands down my, oneof my favorite tools that I've gotten
throughout this whole thing was that.
Comforter.
Yeah.
I know.
So my brother is a medical researcherand he always sends me like that.
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I mean, like legit.
He is actually a doctor.
I just play one on this podcast,but he sends me stuff occasionally
that he finds and is really useful.
And we have talked before aboutthe cooling mattress toppers,
like they have them and you can.
You can do that.
They have cooling and heating.
You can get one for me for both sides.
So you're not like freezing out, youknow, someone that you sleep with.
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But there is a lot of legit sciencebehind some of these things.
I, I have the cooling pillow, thecooling pillow case, cooling pillow
case, the cooling sheets and the coolingmattress topper and or the mattress pad.
And I have the cooling comforter.
Out of all of those, the coolingcomforter is the only one that actually
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gives me any sort of true quick relief.
Okay.
I will say that.
And maybe I'm just not buyingthe right things and the other
ones, but it all makes sense whenit says it's activated by air.
You know, your mattress topper isn'tgetting the air, your pillow, your heads
on it, you know, so it kind of makessense to me, your sheets aren't getting
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it because you've got the blanket over it.
So it kind of makes senseto me why it works so well.
So if anybody wants to buy anyof one out of all those, I say
get the comforter for sure.
Okay.
Yeah.
And we'll, we'll link if you havegood links, we'll put them in the
I will try and find the link to that one.
It was a Costco purchase.
it might not work then.
I know.
Anyway.
just gives people an idea of,of what might be out there.
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But I just think being an ad, I thinkwhat you've said is most important as
being an advocate for yourself, whetherthat's at your doctor's office, whether
that's with a client you know, youdon't have to go into amazing depths
of detail with people, but just belike, Hey, you know, I need X, Y, Z,
take the breaks, be kind to yourself.
One of the things that's been reallygood for me, and again, I don't,
I, I don't know what, you know,this might not work for everyone.
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It might not be somethingthat fits with them.
But I mentioned Dr.
Mary Claire Haver, who is someonethat I know a lot of women listen to.
She has a book called thepause life, which I read.
And I just, I really liked it.
So if you just want moreinformation, it's very comprehensive.
She talks about all of the things, likeit's a very holistic about, you know,
pros and cons of HRT pros and cons of,you know, eating all that kind of stuff.
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So that was one that Iparticularly connected with
That's great.
Yeah.
I found one and I'll have to look it upthat really talked about the hormones
and understanding the difference inthe hormone replacement therapy and
how research that was done X amount ofyears ago that gave it such a bad rap.
The research has, you know, changed aseverything and some of the validity in
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that research and then just understandingthe different types of hormone
replacement, bioidentical versus not andyou know, your genetic makeup and how
it's possibly going to respond to those.
There's just so much out there.
But I think there is a lot of fluff too.
So you definitely have to be careful,just like picking a business coach,
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Yeah,
which is something else wetalked about, but you have to be
careful that you're listening orreading the right information.
I think that, and without going downa rabbit hole of, you know, this is
not a political statement, it's notanything, but I think, like, when COVID
happened, and everybody starts saying,like, I'm doing my own research, and
you're like, then we stopped listeningto doctors, and we stopped, like, there's
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just a lot of stuff out there, andthe one thing that I will just always
remind people is Figuring out what alegitimate source of information is,
by the way, whether that is a businesscoach or a doctor or anything else.
I think there, because as we werejoking earlier about TikTok diagnoses
of ADHD, there is so much stuffout there that people speak very
knowledgeably about something.
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And you're like, they, who are they?
They're like, literally, I could goon TikTok and start talking about,
you know, menopause treatments.
I don't know anything, right?
Like,
But somebody might listen to you
Yeah, but just like checkout who you're talking to.
That's why I personally connect with Dr.
Haver because she is a boardcertified OBGYN and she like, and
she talks about OBGYN educationand how it's bad and all the, like,
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I don't know, I connect with her.
You might not, but just make sure you'regetting good sources of information
and, you know, actually going todoctors and, and all the things,
whatever you feel comfortable with, but
for sure.
Yep.
And just, you know, set yourselfup for success in your own home.
You know, make sure that you'vegot a fan close by I have
a fan in my kitchen window.
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So if I get hot doingdishes, I just turn it on.
And I have flip flop slippersinstead of closed toe slippers,
because I know my feet are goingto get hot and then I'll get hot.
Like set yourself up for success.
Don't, you know, you don'thave to suffer completely.
Completely.
And your family is goingto learn how to freeze.
It's
Yeah.
So you just reminded me.
So when I was pregnant with myfirst kid, she was born in January
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and I distinctly remember is like,you know, at the end of when you're
pregnant and you're just a furnace.
And it was like January 8th,probably it was freezing cold
where we lived at the time.
And I went to bed wearing shorts anda tank top and I had a sheet over me.
That was it.
My husband was next to me in a hoodie, athick hoodie with the hood all the way up.
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It's cold.
He had a hat under the hoodie.
He, I can still see it.
He had multiple comforterson another blanket.
I mean, he was just.
Freezing and I was like,it's so hot in here.
And he's like, what is going on?
And I told him not that long ago,I go, Hey buddy, do you remember
that night in Ohio when I waspregnant and you were freezing
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cold and I was really, really hot.
I go, that is coming back for you.
we're coming and it's goingto be for a long time.
Yeah, that window is goingto be open all winter, dude.
So get ready.
My favorite temperature is 58 so when thewhen it's 58 in here I'm like, this is.
Yeah, I, it's starting toget a little cooler here.
Probably the same for you a little bit.
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And I am living for it.
It's
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Is there anything thatwe did not talk about?
You know, probably, but Not that Ican think of off the top of my head.
Again, just being an advocate foryourself and knowing that there could
be some things going on in your bodythat are directly related to it and
talking to your doctor about it is,I think, and being persistent about
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before you do anything super drastic.
Yeah, I love it.
So we will put lots of resourcesany links that Kim can find
of things that she loves.
I'll put links that I find that I love.
We will put them in the show notesand on the blog and all the places.
Well, thank you so much for joining us.
I love talking to you.
Yeah, it's always fun.
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That is a wrap on this week'spro organizer studio podcast.
I will see you next week.
Have a great day.
Organizers.
Hey Pro Organizers, my name isMelissa Klug and you are listening
to the Pro Organizer Studio Podcast.
Professional organizingchanged my entire life.
After 20 years of working at hugecompanies, I started working for myself.
I opened a professional organizingbusiness, grew it to six
figures, and I never looked back.
Now I get to spend all day, every day,teaching organizers around the world.
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How to find clients, how to marketand sell yourselves, how to turn this
business into what you want it to be.
Whether you have been in businessfor 15 minutes or 15 years, you
have a home at Pro Organizer Studio.
I'm excited that you're here.
Let's get started.
Hey pro organizers.
It's Melissa and I am here witha podcast that I've actually
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wanted to do for a long time.
And I found the perfect person totalk about it with my friend Kim.
She's been on the podcast several times.
But we are talking about something thatis really, really important to chat about,
That we are starting to hear more aboutout in the greater world in the news
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is menopause and perimenopause andpost-menopause and all of those things.
And it is still something that maybe somepeople are uncomfortable talking about.
But because there are so many women inthis industry and because there may be
things happening to you that you are like,oh, hey, I didn't know what this was.
That's what happened to me.
(01:31):
That's what happened to my guest, Kim.
And so we just wanted to havea podcast about what you may be
going through and your organizingbusiness and not even realize it.
Couple of caveats.
First of all, neither of us are doctors.
We make people's underwear drawers.
Very pretty.
So, obviously this is not a substitute forany sort of actual medical information in
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the same way that Instagram and Tik TOKare not substitutes for medical education.
And the second thing is Idid record this awhile ago.
So, um, even though like today,when I am recording this intro, it
is negative 14 degrees at my house.
Um, you are going to hear mein one section, talk about air
conditioning and you might belike, well, I'm very confused.
(02:16):
We recorded this a while ago.
All right.
I would like to reintroduce youto someone who gets so much love
when she comes on the podcast.
So I'm thrilled to have herback to talk about this.
It's my friend Kim Snodgrass ofRustic Home Organizing in Oregon.
Well, before we hit record, we weretalking about, I couldn't make this up
(02:37):
if I tried, chin hairs and gray, grayeyebrow hairs, which really leads us
like beautifully into this conversation.
Kim, how are you?
I am good.
Yeah, that we definitely kindof down an interesting path.
I, I have said this many timesbefore, just depending on the guests.
Like when it's someone that Iactually know in real life, like
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you we should probably recordthe podcast before the podcast.
That would probably be morepopular than what we're actually
Possibly you possibly maybecould have taken a few little
bits and pieces from that.
Right.
Yeah.
But I asked Kim to be herewith me for a few reasons.
One, she's delightful.
Two, she and I talk offline aboutthe subject quite a bit, and it's
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something that impacts organizers a lot.
And also, because your podcastepisodes, people love hearing from you.
So I decided it was time to have you back
yes.
I'm excited too.
This is great.
And it's definitely a topic thatyou and I have covered a lot.
And even though I'm not a doctor, Iwould love to just weigh in on what
I have figured out, learned, and.
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What you're experiencing.
What we were talking about today,and this might not be everybody's
cup of tea, and that is okay.
If you are not comfortabletalking about this stuff, you
can skip on and don't listen.
But, we are talking about perimenopause,menopause, and being an organizer and a
business owner and all of those things,and how they all interact together.
And I actually love that we're talkingabout this because I believe that and
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I've seen it with my kids for sure.
I think this new generation of kids, andwe both have kids in the same ish age
category, they're a lot more open abouttalking about things that impact us, like
body stuff and all that kind of thing.
Like, whereas we grew up a littlebit more, you know, you didn't
talk about these things and theywere private and they were buttoned
up and no one talked about it.
I think we're doing a much betterjob in talking about Major things
(04:31):
health wise that impact us, butsome people are still like a little
about talking about perimenopause,menopause, that type of thing.
Have you seen that?
A hundred percent.
And just to back up a little bit, Idon't know if Michael aka Steve is
listening, but he might want to justlike forward to the next episode
because this might not be for him.
(04:53):
Okay, so what Kim's talking about is wehave it's a small number, but we have
some men in our Inspired Organizer group.
There was one of our Inspired Organizermembers who is a dude, Michael Quan.
Hello, Michael.
Who actually probably doesn'tlisten to this podcast, but at
the How To (05:09):
Summit, he was there and got to know a bunch of people.
And then he was on one of our livezooms where we ended up talking about
kegels and all sorts of other things.
And he was like, I don't knowwhat's going on right now.
So anyway, but he's a goodsport, which is great.
But yeah, but these areimportant things to talk about.
And I know it might feeluncomfortable, but like, these are
things everybody's dealing with it.
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But if we don't talk aboutit, we all think we're alone.
I agree.
I, I do think for me, I've had toshift my thoughts of not so taboo as
far as the menopause, perimenopauseand what all that means, but it's just
almost, you know, your body is justtransitioning into a whole new world.
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Phase.
And there is no manual.
There's no heads up.
It's coming.
It hits everybody differently.
That's what I have learned.
I, I know how it has hit me.
But things that I suffer from,I can talk to somebody else
that they're not feeling that.
But they're feeling so many other things.
But what I realized this last year ishow much it was impacting my daily life.
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And how I could operate.
How it was affecting parts of mybody that I was clueless on why they
were doing what they were doing.
And then after deep diving, doing lotsof blood work, lots of doctor visits,
figuring out what was causing a lot of it.
Was shocking that something so simpleas low estrogen and what it was doing
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to me as a whole and I think I'm stillstruggling and this statement is
probably a little bolder than you wantedto dive into right away, but I think
what I'm I am trying to wrap my headaround is why we are so uncomfortable.
When our body is supposed to naturallybe doing this, and so for me, I'm trying
to figure out does this mean we'rehitting this perimenopause, menopause,
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postmenopause stage in our life too soon?
Is our body not ready for it?
Is it food?
Is it environment?
You know, what is all of this?
Because I have been sohealthy my entire life.
And then all of a sudden to feel likea pile of dog poop on a daily basis
has really thrown me for a loop.
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And I think that there's more and moreresearch being done, which is fantastic.
I'm hoping that my girls don't haveto suffer as much as long as I did.
And I'm hoping they don't have to dosome of the things that I'm doing.
I hope that there's going to beadvances or understanding of how
to prevent some of this stuff.
One of the things when you talk aboutyou know is this just normal is it or
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is it you know is it happening earlieris it any of those things I think the
hard part with that is we don't reallyknow I mean I'm sure doctors know
but we don't really know because ourparents didn't talk about these things
like it was not discussed like it'sjust really recently and I think it It,
what I have seen is it is social media,sometimes social media does good things.
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There have been some reallygood social media coverage of
perimenopause, menopause, postmenopause.
I mean, one of the resources that Ipersonally recommend and use a lot is Dr.
Mary Claire Haver, who is she's an OBGYNwho specializes in menopause research.
And one of the reasons I like heris because she is talking about
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how OBGYNs do not get trained.
On menopause, like I think her statisticwas it was like two days of medical
school or something about menopauseand she is just basically saying
like, Hey, we're not educated in this.
And so we're, we're lettingwomen kind of suffer.
It is a normal process.
But there are things that wehaven't been talking about.
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And so I think it's,it's really important.
And I think for someone like you and me,I've generally been pretty healthy too.
But you start to feel like reallybad and you think, Oh my gosh,
something major is going on.
Nope.
It's actually something teeny tiny,
very tiny.
microscopic that is impacting how I feelwhen I wake up, how I don't have as much
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energy at jobs, all that kind of thing.
My biggest eyeopening moment was when.
I was about to have my handsall sliced and diced again here.
I was going to do it September becausemy erosive arthritis diagnosis that
I had they said it was genetic.
Which from what I read it is but I wasready to have all 10 fingers cut open and
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cleaned out and stitch backed up, whichwould have meant my business was going to
be put on hold for quite a bit of time.
It's a six week recovery and again,
life.
yeah.
And cutting open your fingers,you know, I had, they were huge.
I could barely move them.
I was struggling working.
I was getting the cystson all the fingers again.
And for about the sixth time in theyear, I went back to the doctor and
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just said, you know, can we, canwe just relook at all of my blood?
And it's when we realized thatmy estrogen had plummeted.
And but then you start deep diving intoestrogen is what protects our joints.
And it gives this little armor to them.
And when I lost my estrogen,I lost my armor to my joints.
So then my geneticarthritis attacked them.
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And so as soon as I went on the estrogenpatch, which was a very difficult decision
for me, and this is a, I know this is hardfor everybody with hormone replacement
therapy because I do have breast cancer inmy family and it was something we wanted
to stay away from but my body was like,things were terrible were happening to it.
Anyway, fast forward two months,my swelling's down, my cysts are
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gone, and my joints are fine.
They're not percent, but it's notunderstanding, I think, how menopause
can affect the loss of certain hormones.
How it can affect other parts of ourbody that we wouldn't think it's tied to.
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I wouldn't have thought that myarthritis was tied to loss of estrogen.
I would have no idea.
I, I for sure, until Istarted, really realizing what,
like, I'm in perimenopause.
And when I started to realize that,I was like, Oh, this explains things.
Like after I started reading aboutall the things that can happen.
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I'm like, Oh, this explains a lot ofthings for me, but if you don't know
that it's going on, you start to feellike, I think I might be breaking.
I'm either breaking down or I'mgoing crazy or all of the above.
That's at least how I felt.
I was like, why am I fullof rage for no reason?
And then I talked to a friendwho's a little older than I am.
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And she's like, cause perimenopause.
I'm like, pardon?
excuse me.
And it was just funny becauseI didn't have the emotions.
I was
That's the thing iseverybody's so different.
I wasn't sad, and so I just was havingthis arthritis and severe hot flashes.
RIght.
Severe, but it wasn't just a hot flash.
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So mine were a progression ofa quick anxiety attack that
would last about 30 seconds.
I couldn't describe it.
It would be a fight or flight feelingand like something, what just happened,
like the universe, just like somesort of weird shift just happened
because I was fine three seconds ago.
And then my heart rate would spikeand at times, and I've even recorded
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it on my watch to show The doctor,it would spike from like a 72 to 170.
And so then I would want to, that'san extremely high heart rate.
I mean, that's like high cardio impact
Yeah, that's like running anultra marathon at a sprint.
And then it would be,I'm going to throw up.
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then a couple minutes later, the sweatwould pour out and then it would be over.
But I was having those15 to 20 a day and I
That's a lot.
That's a
could, I couldn't, Iwas struggling at jobs.
I would panic if I went into somebody'shouse and it was there was no airflow.
I mean, I would be like, I don't knowhow I'm going to be here all day long.
And so I also want to kind of talkabout a little little tricks that I've
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learned along the way in case anybodyis going through that that's listening.
But again, I suffered with thosefor a year and I don't think I
should have suffered that long.
And I really did have to bean advocate for my own health.
I had to really, really, really push,even though I really like my doctor and I
see a naturopathic slash regular doctor.
She does both.
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But I had to keep sayingsomething isn't right.
Something isn't right.
And it wasn't her that told me aboutthe estrogen affecting my Joints.
It was me doing my research and thenbringing it to her and her confirming it.
So you really do have to be an advocatefor yourself and not that Google can
tell you the truth, but it can lead youto a few clues that might be happening
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and then bring that to your doc.
That really helped me a lot.
Yeah.
And I love what you're saying too.
This is coincidental that we arerecording this a day that a good
friend of mine was like, I'm having.
You know, XYZ problems.
And according to Google, it'seither, this simple thing.
She's like, or it might be cancer.
And I'm like, don't go to Google forimmediate medical advice, but there is now
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a lot more stuff about you do have to do.
Not every doctor is the right one for you.
And I think we have this idea.
Kind of a tangent, but I think we havethis idea that like every doctor must just
be like the best, smartest, best person.
I have a really good friend whois a medical, by the way, a lot of
friends who are dear, dear friendswho are doctors and wonderful doctors.
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This is not a doctor slam, but I hada friend who was in medical school and
I said to her, Hey, how many peoplekind of like flame out first year?
Like how many people arenot in your class anymore?
And she's like, Oh, no one.
She goes, they make sure once youget in, they make sure you graduate.
So she had a guy in her class who wason his third time at his first year.
Well, that guy will be a doctor someday.
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So it's just, just a message that if youdon't feel like you're being listened to.
If you don't feel like you know thatsomeone is really taking your care
or your concerns seriously, you canfind someone else and just say, is
this really just like a second opinionon, Hey, is this doctor telling me
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all the same things the first doctor?
So maybe this seems right.
Or is there something else?
no, no, that's, that's very true.
I think too, I think where I startedto realize like something's got to
give here is the amount of medicationthat kept getting prescribed
to me to cover up the symptoms.
So the, the heart rate was a bigconcern because that's, you know,
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Having those that many a day, thatwas, that's not good for your heart.
So then I get put on beta blockersto slow, to slow my heart rate down.
And then I get put on this other drugthat you can get from a compound pharmacy
that they give to opioid addicts,but they give it to you in low doses.
And this kind of helps with chronic pain.
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And I mean, at onepoint I was taking like.
6 to 10 pills throughout the day.
This is from somebody who tooknothing her whole life to 6 to 10.
I was like, I can't do this.
I literally can't, I won't do this.
That's why,
patch took all of that away.
and you're right.
These are all really personal decisions.
(16:34):
And I know that by the way, this isobviously not medical advice because we
make people's underwear drawers pretty.
We are not doctors, but it is just beinglike, I really love what you said about
being an advocate for yourself because.
Yeah.
One of the things that, like Isaid, OBGYNs are sometimes a great
place to go, but they might notbe the right place for some things
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that you would think they would be.
Sort of like how organizers always thinkrealtors should be a great source of
referrals for them, and in fact they are.
You know what I mean?
It's those things that like,make sense, and you go like,
well, I'm having this problem.
It's an OBGYN problem.
My OBGYN should be able to help me.
Sometimes they're just notas well versed in it either.
And so it's about finding someone thatwill listen to you and figure out,
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hey, is there a deeper problem here?
For you, it looked like thislittle estrogen patch that
fixed a lot of other things.
Yeah, which was crazy.
yeah I, so I'm very fortunate that Ihave an OB GYN who's the loveliest.
She is one of my favorite people and wefound out during one of my pregnancies
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that we were born on the exact same day.
I, this year, was like, I am goingin to see her, last year I didn't see
her, I saw someone else, and I'm goingin to see her because I know that she
will know precisely what I am talkingabout, because we are the same age.
But then you also realize that,like, no, that's actually not true,
because your symptoms are wildlydifferent than mine, which are
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wildly different, like, everybodyhas different stuff going on, too.
Right.
And, and that's hard too, becauselike I have friends I talk to this
about, talk about this with, andthey're all, you know, some of my
friends are having tons of hot flashes.
I'm lucky that I haven't had thatyet, but I'm kind of hot all the time.
Yeah.
Yes, there's it's definitely a differenceand my temperature did start to rise.
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I would say about four yearsbefore I so Oh, really quick.
I also learned in a book I was listeningto and I can't reference it off the
top of my head, but I learned thatthere the three phases of menopause the
perimenopause menopause and postmenopause.
I learned that menopauseis literally one day.
Which I thought was kind of cool.
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And I don't think everybody realizes that.
So basically you're eitherperimenopause or postmenopause.
Menopause is the day that youhave your one year anniversary.
We all know what thatone year anniversary is.
So yeah, just to anybody out therethat's just entering this phase
of this wonderful magical world.
You really have two areas andwhat determines that is levels.
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Whatever those hormone levels are.
And
Which is estrogen and testosterone, right?
And
yeah.
And then your obviously going one yearwithout a cycle brings you into that.
Actually I think that istechnically medically what
determines your post menopause.
It is.
Yes.
But along with that is theseplummeting levels of these hormones.
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And that's why I wanted to make surethat we were talking about perimenopause
a lot because of the age rangethat a lot of organizers fall in.
And because I know, like me, I'm apretty well read, educated person.
Like I know a lot of randomthings about a lot of things.
And I was extremely uneducated about thelength of time perimenopause could be.
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Years.
It also can start way earlierthan you think it does.
So I think there's this number in ourheads of like, when you're in your
50s, these things start to happen.
No, it can actually, perimenopausecan start in your 30s.
There's no, there's no rhymeor reason to what age it is.
I think, I believe it's a little bitgenetically influenced by your mom.
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But that isn't even always a good arbiter.
And so if there are, if you arein your 30s, you know, mid 30s
and you're like, well, I'm notfeeling quite the same as I used to.
I know for me, it kind of really,I really kind of felt it at like 40
Mine was 41.
you might not realize it, but you areprobably in some stage of perimenopause
(20:41):
when that estrogen starts to go downand you might start feeling impacts.
Like for me, I never had whatpeople would call PMS ever.
Totally fine.
All of a sudden I'd be like, wow,I just really want to kill everyone
that I come in contact with.
Like including people I love verymuch like what why I don't have any
reason to like, I'm not being attacked.
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Nothing's happening to me.
I'm like, why am I so upset all the time?
And then I'd be like, oh, Oh, it's PMS.
Well, wait, I've never had that before.
These are all like little signs.
And for me, it was also justfeeling a lot more tired.
And even when I got plenty of sleep,all those things weight gain, which
is my favorite, that's the best.
Such a joy.
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Can't can't be more excited about that.
But yeah, there are just a lotof different symptoms that you
might go, Hey, it's perimenopause.
And I have friends now who, you know,I have a group text with one set of
friends or the other day, this womanwas complaining about X, Y, Z symptoms.
And I'm like, just FYI,probably perimenopause.
kind of.
Yeah,
Like, what, what are you talking about?
And looking back, I can see nowwhen I started, that's how I
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know I had my first little cystpop up on my hand when I was 41.
And it just kind of stayed dormantfor about five years before
I had to do anything to it.
But those were the beginning.
Beginning signs of it.
Yeah.
And you know, the lackof sleep, all of that.
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You know, the whole thing really affectsyour daily life and if you're running
a business I think to be preparedfor it because it really does kind
of throw a wrench into your plans.
And there's a lot of diet andexercise that goes along with this.
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And I am not as educated in that.
I'd have a friend of mine thatreally dives deep into that.
And I do get information from her.
And I don't do enough.
I know.
I don't, I know I'm not doing enough of
working on that right now.
I had a very long doctor'sappointment about that earlier this
Yeah, I, I, I dabbled a littlebit, but I was like, I just don't
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enjoy working out like I once did.
It's something that I amconsciously trying to change my
mindset, but I'm not there yet.
But there's just so muchthat goes along with it.
And what you think might not bea symptom could be a symptom and
definitely be an advocate for yourself.
What you said about justas organizer, first of all,
organizing is a physical job.
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We all know that.
And just running a business in general,you know, I don't care how big or small
your your business is running a businesstakes a lot of work and energy and effort.
And as your energy goes down, likeI am a person who in, you know, 10
years ago, 20 years ago, I could havestayed, I could have survived on four
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hours of sleep for a few nights a week.
I mean, that's not good long term, right?
But I had a huge project I was working on.
It was no big deal.
I could get five hours of sleepfunction great the next day.
And sometimes in entrepreneurship, youhave those times where you're like, I
have to work really late, you know, I'mgoing to a client and then I have to
build them and blah, blah, blah, all thethings your energy does start to go down.
And so you have to really protect that.
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And you have to have a plan for that.
And that's something that I'm personallyworking through right now, but that
that's hard to all of it's hard.
Yeah, and there are mornings andand even afternoons where you,
I just feel like crap, I just, Iliterally feel like I partied for
the last three or four days hard,
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Right.
and I don't, nothing really was different.
So that must be something internal goingon and that's also another thing that you
know I struggle with sometimes I have.
If I have a big job the day before,the night before, if I have a big
job, the next day, I'll start likeworrying, Oh, gosh, am I going to sleep?
Am I going to wake up tomorrow andfeel okay and blah, and then you
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just set yourself up for failure?
I have seen in myself, in the,the years since I started my
business, you know, definitely.
Cause I started when I was 42 I definitelyhave seen, like, I used to work seven
days a week and it was no problem.
Like, it really didn't bother me.
I just, I have realizedI can't do that anymore.
That's not something that works for me.
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And I've had to cometo grips with that too.
You know, another thing that Irecently was brought to my attention,
and again, I'm not a doctor, andI am not going to state anything
that I know is overly factual.
But I do see a pattern.
So there is this big wave of allthese late life ADHD diagnosis in
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women, especially in women, not men.
We're not hearing about the men we're
Now, because they getdiagnosed when they're kids.
I know.
And again, I don't, I'm not going to beable to state all of the facts because
my brain doesn't remember things.
And that's not menopause.
That's just me.
That's just my brain.
So imagine it on menopause anyway.
So apparently there is a connectionbetween the loss of hormones.
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And the intensity in whichADHD presents itself.
Interesting.
And the person that I talked to aboutthis had done a deep dive into it and
had a lot more of the clinical research.
So I probably should have written thatdown before we talked, but I didn't.
Which explains
going to call this podcast TikTokmedicine because that's the same thing
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as like any, when you go on TikTok,I got TikTok diagnosed with ADHD.
So that's, that's what this is.
This is not medical advice.
And you know, I got diagnosedalmost two years ago.
In fourth grade my teacher basicallytold my mom your kid's pretty jacked.
And, you know, back then, back thenthey didn't really do much for us
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and mine wasn't the super hyper.
I was just kind of like, Ijust couldn't retain anything.
I was talkative andblah, blah, blah, anywho.
So I was a stay at home mom, most.
Of my adult life with the exceptionof some jobs here and there.
It wasn't until I startedthis business that I realized.
Oh, crap.
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I really struggle at the computer.
Oh, I really struggle like sitting hereand understanding and comprehending
and remembering and like, can youtell me that step one more time?
Or can you tell me thatstep 10 more times?
And so I ended up going to a ADHD clinic.
So my doctor doesn't treat me for it.
I went to a clinic that is 100percent all they treat is ADHD
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because I wanted to understandwhat our brains are doing with it.
Not just give me a pill and sendme on my way, because I know that
anyway, and I've already forgottento know where I was going with
This is a great, I was excited.
I was like, okay, I'm on the train.
Oh.
You know, I just, I, I really dovein deep with my, the, and it's
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a doctor that's, that's all theytreat though, which I wish so much.
And maybe we will get doctorsthat just treat menopause.
a single lane doctor.
percent treat menopause.
Over the last two years of being onthis medicine, we have had to really
play around with types of medicine,time of the day I take the medicine,
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quick release, fast release becauseof the menopause phase of my life that
I'm in and how it affects my What I'mdoing in my body on a daily basis.
So she was talking about allof these TikTok diagnosis
I'm
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sure it drives doctors insane.
does because there is a true brain fogthat comes with menopause and that can
be confused with a true ADHD diagnosis.
Well, I think that's a good point,though, of like, doctors haven't even
figured some of this stuff out, right?
Like, and, like, they makingthose connections for them.
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By the way, a doctor's job is so hard.
Like, having to make all theseconnections between all the things,
like, that seems very stressful, andI would not, not be a good doctor.
But that's really super interesting thatyou can have a symptom, sort of like your
arthritis, that mimics, like, it couldeasily be something else, but it's not.
It's like a Canary in thecoal mine or whatever.
yeah.
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And, and so I do believe there area lot of women in our age range
right now that are being quoteunquote diagnosed with ADHD or ADD.
I think it's just, there is no in between.
You just, presents itself differently.
And I think they've stoppedusing one or the other terms.
I think it's just oneterm now, maybe ADHD.
I don't know.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
but I highly recommend if anybodyis out there thinking they have
it and they have the TikTokdiagnosis, head to a specialist.
It is amazing.
Talk about what your brain is doing,and it is so cool to learn, and it
helps me understand more how I work,and how I operate, and why I do the
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things I've done in the past, and whysome things are happening to me now.
I, I was just lookingfor the text you sent me.
I don't think you'll mind me sayingthis, but when we were trying to figure
out when to tape this, you were like,wait, I have to make sure my meds
have kicked in when I talk to you.
I do!
I have to.
You know, it's interestingin the IO group.
So many people, the young,it's more of the younger ones.
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I think I have this client with ADD andI just, you know, I want to make like,
guys, we're not like this weird beast.
Right.
Well, so we're going to start
different, yeah, there's differentlevels of it and it presents itself
differently and it's not always that.
Yeah, it's,
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is one of the, as I like to talkabout the hills I'll die on is
now, you know, we have seen a lotof people come into the group.
I have a client who tells me she has ADHD.
How do I work with her?
And it's like, well, she couldhave 22 different kinds of it.
Like I have had clientswith ADHD that present.
And I know we've talked about this before,but I'm going to keep talking about it.
ADHD presents a ton of differentways depending on the client.
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Some people become so hyper organizedthat they're over organized.
Some people are the squirrel.
Some people need things in clear bins,but some people want them hidden.
It's all, it's all over the board.
And my going in hypothesis forevery organizer is you should assume
that your client has ADHD untilshe tells you that she doesn't.
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that's what I'm seeing more and more.
I had a consultation the other day andI just, as she was talking to me, I
just, and I sensed she was the kind ofperson that would be cool with this.
I was like, do you mind me asking,have you been diagnosed with ADHD?
She's like, yeah, I totally have.
How did you know?
And I'm like and
industry you can catchon to it pretty quick.
Yeah, definitely.
so figuring that out, we're goingto be talking a lot more about ADHD
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because I think it's really importantfor organizers to really figure out
how to be flexible of their approach.
But your point is, itcould be, could be ADHD.
It could just be menopauseor perimenopause.
It could be both.
It could
It could be a very dysfunctional marriage.
It could be a lot.
It could be a lot of things.
But I definitely, I, I, I willsay, I mean, I know you go
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in thinking everybody has it.
I go in assuming nobody does.
I'm just going to treat everybodyjust where they need to be met at.
So
I don't even go in with like, oh, Iassume you have an actual diagnosis.
I just mean, I assume that right now,because of modern life, all the other
things, all of the people that I'mhelping have some degree, I personally,
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again, not a medical professional, Ijust think that the speed of modern
life, phones, our attention span,all of those things are affecting
all of us, and there might be them.
Right.
Even if we don't have an actualdiagnosis, I think we all just have
the shortest attention spans ever.
And so we can't keep our focus on, youknow, even if a client just doesn't
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want to organize their linen closet,it's because we can't focus on anything.
And so I just am going to assume that Ineed to figure out how to make a plan that
works for everyone, but I need to act asif everybody just probably has, again,
either the TikTok or the actual diagnosis.
Because it's everyone now.
Is definitely.
So yeah, so there's, you know, menopauseI have found totally has affected
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the earth, my arthritis a new one.
This is fun.
This was a lot is in the last six weeksand I thought it was, I didn't know
what it was to be honest with you,but my mouth is so incredibly dry.
yeah, you told me this.
Yeah, that my like inthe middle of the night.
It's almost like I have to peelmy gums from my teeth and like
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it feels like my gums are goingto rip off and stay on my teeth.
this is a very specific complaint.
horrific.
It is so bad.
I don't have bad breath, butI have incredibly dry mouth.
Like, it's the weirdestthing in the entire world.
We all think we've had drymouth until we have dry mouth.
That is, and again, Istarted looking it up.
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And, estrogen affects yoursalvato, salvatory glands?
Salva glands.
Salivary.
Yes, so again, my doctor didn't tell methis, but I deep dive, and it's like gave
like a few different reasons like it couldbe because of medication, and I've been
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on my medication for two years so it wouldhave, I would have already figured that
Sure, yeah.
And.
And then it said low estrogen.
Stop it.
yeah, so I have a dry mouth spray thatI carry around with me at client's house
so that I can actually speak to them whenthey want to, because my mouth is so dry.
Yeah.
It's terrible.
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Well, let's talk about clients.
Because I, okay, so I was at a clientthe other day, I actually put this on
Instagram, and many people chimed in.
I was at a client who is an older manand his house is, he just really doesn't
like air conditioning, he's, it's not amoney thing, trust me, not a money thing.
It is just, he doesn'tlike air conditioning.
His house always has the windows open,and it was 155, 000 degrees in there,
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and I was really proud of myself becauseI just flat out said, now I've worked
with him for a long time, I have a goodrelationship with him but I was like,
hey, Bill, I'm gonna need to ask you,can I turn the air conditioning on?
It's pretty, pretty toasty up here.
He's like, oh, yeah, sure.
He didn't care.
But I was really proud of myself becauseevery other time I've been there, the
million times that I've been to hishouse, I have never, ever said a word.
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And I just have sweat myself silly.
I had many people that responded arelike, Oh, my gosh, I hate when clients
houses are hot, that type of thing.
But I was really proud ofmyself for speaking up for
like, Hey, this is what I need.
And that might seem very tiny to you.
For me, that's a big deal.
I don't I'm usually like, this is fine.
But I have what are some things thatyou have had to do at clients to
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compensate for some of these things?
so the hot flashes.
Thank the Lord have gone almost away.
I get, I get a little bit ofinternal inferno, but I don't
get the high heart rate as much.
If I do, it's only like 110, not 170.
I don't like get beetred in the face anymore.
And that's all because of being onthe patch, but I still do get hot.
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And the, the year that I sufferedwith that, I, it was a big thing.
I like you, I wouldn't say anythingbecause I didn't want to make my clients
uncomfortable because they obviously havethe thermometer set where they want it.
Sure.
Yeah,
but it, it was difficult and it, Imean, it would be sometimes where you're
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literally watching the clock and notbeing able to concentrate almost on
what you're doing or rushing it becauseyou've got to get yourself outside.
So for me, what I did, becauseagain, I didn't speak up.
Which that's changed now.
I do always ask for air ventilation.
Just a window open, something.
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I carried around a mini fan.
It was a rechargeable mini fan.
And it had a little stand with it.
It was like $10 on Amazon.
And that saved my life.
So when I got like super overheated, Icould just hold it on me for a second.
That was very, very helpful.
I always made sure I had ice inmy water and I would guzzle that.
I had no problem walking outsidehere or there for a few minutes.
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Now in the summertime, that waswhen it was 100 degrees outside.
That didn't
didn't help.
For me having, I'm not a team, I'm a soloorganizer, but I do have an assistant
and my assistant doing all of the.
Loading back and forth that saved my life.
I would always switch my shoes midday
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Okay.
because if you think about it, likewhen you get really hot, they either
say like, cool your wrists, coolthe back of your neck your ankles.
And so our shoes get so hot.
Oh, I never really I'venever thought about that.
they're almost like little heating pads.
So they just hold that heat.
And so midday, I would change myshoes and that was a game changer.
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Interesting.
I never thought about that.
changed my shoes and my socks.
They're refreshed.
So they weren't likeholding all this heat.
That's interesting because I live in sucha cold place and we always, we have foot
warmers for the winter when we're outside.
We need foot coolers.
We need foot coolers for
I mean, I'm sure we could probablyjust get like, yeah, interesting.
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Okay.
I never really thought about that.
Yeah.
Obviously I would dress in layers.
I didn't always love to wear atank top at a client's house, but
eventually it would end up my tank.
I would just have my, my work tanktop on the dry wicking yoga pants.
I know there's a lot of organizers thatdon't think that's very professional
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and Maybe not, but the houses I'mworking in, I usually have to come
home and hop right in the shower.
I'm not, you know, dealing in thesame realm maybe as some, so I didn't
have a problem wearing my yoga pants.
And then for me, even thoughI was changing my shoes,
my shoes were flip flops.
Just the flip flop girl.
And yeah, the, the heat is a,it's a, it's a thing in the
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There were, I'll have to put linkstogether, but when I was in Japan, it
gets really, really hot in Japan in thesummer and they had all, they have like a
ton of technology for trying to stay cooland there was a thing I need to look into
it, but it's like an ice ring you wear
Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.
Oh, that was the other thing I ordered.
I ordered these really cute pink.
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They're like this size.
I know if you're not watching it, I'm likeputting my hands up and giving this size.
Yeah.
I'd put and they're for like injuriesand they have like the velcro strap
on them, but I would put those inthe small of my back and I would
have a cooler in the car that wouldhave an ice pack so I could swap it
You could switch to switch it out.
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Yep.
Oh my gosh, that helps so much.
And you can put that under your shirt.
So it's not even being
Yeah.
It's not visible.
Oh my gosh, that helps so much.
And we'll for anything that you love,I'll totally link it in the show notes.
Like if
Okay.
I do have a few go tos, especially thathandheld fan because it's purse size.
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It fits in my tool bag.
It can fit in my pocket and thecharge holds for a couple of days.
And I'm a, I'm a big fan of that guy.
that's good.
You're a big fan of the fan.
I'm a big fan.
Yeah.
But I just think that as much as possiblefor us to within the, you know, the level
of our comfort to just be upfront withclients about, Hey, you're going to get
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better work out of me if I can be cool.
And by the way, this is, this justgoes for, if you're even not in
perimenopause or post menopause, like.
Making sure you're comfortablewith a client is good for a
hundred different reasons.
You're going to work better all thethings, but especially during this
time, if you want to continue towork and be productive, speaking up
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occasionally, I've, I realized thatthat's a me problem, not a client problem.
The clients aren't frustrated by it.
No, they aren't.
And I know one way for like peoplelike you and me who maybe don't
want to be upfront about it.
I've said this before, and this I usedmore to go towards having the, the space
ready and set up and dogs not sniffsniffing my, you know what, all the time.
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But sending an email a day or two before.
Of setting expectations and just saying,you know, we work fast because we want
you to get the most bang for your buck.
If you could, you know, have thehouse at 68, I, that, you know, even
if it's not that comfortable for you,it really helps us work so much more.
Or have a fan available, somethinglike just stating what you need
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because the client doesn't know.
They're sitting there at theirdesk working or watching you,
which drives me out of my mind.
know that's your least favoritething when someone watches you.
Can you please not watch me ever,
Please leave me
I just, you know what, my workt shirts are now going to say,
I need you to stop watching.
need you to please exit the space.
Thank you very much.
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Leave.
Leave with your belongings.
No offense.
Get out.
Yeah so I think that's a really good justway to just, you know, Set the precedence.
Not every client's going toread it, but most of them will.
And maybe if it's just set, you justdon't even have to have the conversation.
Make your
Or even if you just have, like, even ifyou don't want to do a whole, you know,
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expectation document, which I think isa great idea you could just say, hey,
just a couple of things for our session.
And, you know, if it's, if that's thekind of the non negotiable, just, you
know, Give them the, give them a texta couple days beforehand saying, hey,
just something that people don't oftenthink about, but it really helps us.
Or you can literally just say toa person, hey, I'm just having
a little bit of a medical thing.
It's not, not, not a big deal,but you know, if we could take the
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temperature down, that would be great.
There are a lot of ways you can say it.
You don't have to like come out and
Yeah.
Cause really working, working in astuffy home is, is really uncomfortable.
It's so
what you have going on.
It's the worst for our
It really is.
Yeah.
Yeah.
My hothouse client the other dayI found I wasn't going to be there
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for a super, super long time.
So I didn't want to go through thewhole rigmarole, but I happened
to find like one of their emptyrooms had one of those vortex fans.
And I'm like, I'm not even
Plug that in.
I'm just taking it.
If he has questions, I'll answer them.
But I'm like, I plug in that baby and, andit made it like a billion times better.
So
I did start carrying in my car andthis even goes for winter time.
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You know, we don't get as cold asMinnesota, but we do get cold here
and then people crank the heat.
And so now you're in a housethat's 82 degrees and fake heat.
Anyway, I did start carrying whenCostco gets them in the, the WUZU fans.
Yes.
The small little round guy, they'requiet you know, and they oscillate up,
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down, all around, and they have goodpower for just a small little guy.
And I did bring, have that onone job because I just, I've
got to have some airflow.
Especially for longer ones.
Are there any other thingsthat you have found, like,
outside of the actual session?
Like, sleep, or food,or anything like that?
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Anything else that you have found?
You're further in thejourney than I am, so.
I will say there is a really bigdifference when you can get your
protein in having the protein helpsyour energy level, which you would think
the carbs and all of that would but.
I have found that, and I do thinkthere is some backing behind this, that
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the higher protein meals throughoutthe day helps with that, that energy
constant, not the ups and the downs.
And so I always make sure when Iam working that I have The high
protein yogurt, chicken, likejust, just protein stuff that, that
has definitely helped me a lot.
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Of course they say no alcohol, but Ican't tell you because I haven't, I
to try out that particular
tried that because I don't want to.
That's why.
Yeah.
But, oh, another thing for the in on jobs.
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And this is for anybody that sweats.
It is a lifesaver and I learned it froma client who was going through menopause.
The AMB powder, you can get it on Amazon.
Oh, I don't even know what it is.
Anti monkey butt,
Anti monkey butt.
Oh, I know what monkey butt is.
AMB powder, life changing.
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You can put, you can put thatin crevices from head to toe
Okay.
and it, it traps that sweat and you don'tfeel it dripping down and it's so great.
Interesting.
Okay.
The only reason I know aboutMonkey Butt, boy, this podcast is
really going a lot of direction.
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I know about Monkey Butt because weused to run, if you've ever heard
of Ragnar, by the way, I don't run.
I only drive.
I was the support person.
But there was this like two day.
Sounds like our hood to coast.
Yes, is a huge running race.
I used to drive like my husbandand all the people on our team.
But there was one guy who was soobsessed with monkey, but I mean, he
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was like, constantly like one of ourquote, we always kept a quote book from
the weekend and we're like, Oh, Adam'sputting monkey butt down his pants again.
And it was just like, so that's theonly reason I know what monkey butt is.
But now I'm excited to know that.
and yes, they also have a glidethat is great, you know, and it.
Yeah, for the areas that produce sweata lot, I highly recommend even double
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upping the glide and the powder.
It's, it's good.
It's good stuff.
So it's all about comfort.
My lower back on jobs is a sweaty mess.
You need the ice pack.
I know.
Yeah.
The ice pack is, is amazing.
Yeah, that's actually really smart.
I honestly have never, that's so sillybecause I love, I get migraines a lot
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and I have multiple ice packs for myhead, but I've never considered having
one for like my waist or my back.
That's really, really smart.
But I just think giving yourselfthe grace of, you know, so you
and I are at different scales.
stages of this journey.
I'm just a little bit youngerthan you are, not by very much.
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And again, that agerange is widely varying.
It doesn't matter what age you are.
But I'm still in perimenopause, whichwill last who knows how many years.
I have found like givingmyself the grace of guess what?
I can't do things exactly like I didfive years ago or even a year ago.
Like I have to pivot.
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And I have to be watchingmyself more carefully.
Like I have to be takingbetter care of myself.
That's one thing I have realizedis I haven't been doing a good
job taking care of myself.
And I think that's easy as anentrepreneur to just be like, whatever,
I don't need to go for a walk today.
I have too many things to do.
No, I, I have to, and it's going tohelp keep me healthy to continue to
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organize and coach and do all the things.
For sure.
I noticed that my balance isn't quite as
Yeah, same.
So I have to be a little bit morecautious when I'm going downstairs.
You know, I don't, whereas beforeI could carry like six or seven
boxes and not even see where I'mgoing, I will not do that now.
I, I definitely am more cautious
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I'm carrying and where.
Yeah, I'm glad you said that becauseI actually thought about that earlier
and I had forgotten to say it.
I, I used to be the kind of,and I still am, I'm the kind
of person I like to say yes.
I like to really help a client withthings even that might be outside
of kind of technical job scope.
I had a client recently who like, Twoyears ago, I would have been like, yeah,
let's move that furniture from the attic.
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Let's go.
And I flat out told her, I waslike, babe, I really love you.
And she's much younger than I am.
And I go, I adore you, but I can'tdo that kind of stuff anymore.
I go, can you call your cousin,your neighbor, your whatever?
Like, I, I just am not goingto feel comfortable moving
an armoire from the attic.
Whereas two years ago, I wouldhave been like, yeah, let's go.
Let's do this.
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I just have realized I don't want to, Idon't want to risk doing something stupid
because I definitely am not the same.
Right.
Yeah.
Unfortunately, the menopausedoes take a toll on our bodies.
And I think there's a lot ofthings that you can do to make
it better that aren't all fun.
And that's for me, that's, I know a lotof my problem right now, physically the
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strength is because I'm not working onit and I choose not to at the moment.
And that's where I am.
And I, I had a, I had a little,little heartwarming heartwarming
moment this week with the doctor.
That's like, girl.
put it.
Yeah, so that's, that's going to be my, mynew concentration is figuring some of that
stuff out, but it's, that's important too.
So you've got to, you'vegot to work with people.
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I have finally declared defeaton some of my own problems and
said, I need to go to a doctor.
I need a doctor to helpme with these things.
And, and I just know that it's goingto be hard work that is worthwhile
because I want to be healthy.
yeah, yeah.
decade.
So
and to all those ladies outthere who sleep through the
night, you're so fortunate.
And if all of a sudden, like me, who forlike 40, eight years, slept like a baby.
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And then one night you sleep foran hour and 15 minutes at a time.
I mean, for only maybe two or threesessions that takes a toll on you too.
Your body does slowly start to adjust.
So there is, you will learn how toadapt to some of that loss of sleep.
Unfortunately the hormonesdidn't help that piece with me.
So I still don't do the sleep thing, butAllow yourself a nap, take a nap, take a
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break with a client, go close your eyes.
Like you just got to let yourself get alittle bit of shut eye here and there.
Yeah, legitimately, I don't do it often.
But if it's really, really necessary, Ihave 100 percent by the way, go around
the corner if you need to drive yourcar around the corner if you need to.
I have taken a 20 minute car nap, justto get it's certainly not an enjoyable
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nap situation, but like gettingeven a tiny bit of quiet and rest.
Really can help in my experience.
If you ever see an email for meor an Instagram post or whatever
in the middle of the night, you'regoing to know now why, because
same thing, like it's not, mine'sactually getting a little bit better,
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Oh, that's good.
because we got a new bed.
I also think that's part of it,but yeah, I, we got a new bed
Okay.
Yeah.
that, that has actually helped.
Okay.
I got a cooling mat cooling blanket.
It's actually like, comfortercooling comforter that.
Was a game changer for a littlebit of my comfort at night.
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It's the type that as soon as ithits air, it instantly gets cold.
And when I say cold,I mean, freezing cold.
interesting.
Yeah.
And that that is hands down my, oneof my favorite tools that I've gotten
throughout this whole thing was that.
Comforter.
Yeah.
I know.
So my brother is a medical researcherand he always sends me like that.
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I mean, like legit.
He is actually a doctor.
I just play one on this podcast,but he sends me stuff occasionally
that he finds and is really useful.
And we have talked before aboutthe cooling mattress toppers,
like they have them and you can.
You can do that.
They have cooling and heating.
You can get one for me for both sides.
So you're not like freezing out, youknow, someone that you sleep with.
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But there is a lot of legit sciencebehind some of these things.
I, I have the cooling pillow, thecooling pillow case, cooling pillow
case, the cooling sheets and the coolingmattress topper and or the mattress pad.
And I have the cooling comforter.
Out of all of those, the coolingcomforter is the only one that actually
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gives me any sort of true quick relief.
Okay.
I will say that.
And maybe I'm just not buyingthe right things and the other
ones, but it all makes sense whenit says it's activated by air.
You know, your mattress topper isn'tgetting the air, your pillow, your heads
on it, you know, so it kind of makessense to me, your sheets aren't getting
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it because you've got the blanket over it.
So it kind of makes senseto me why it works so well.
So if anybody wants to buy anyof one out of all those, I say
get the comforter for sure.
Okay.
Yeah.
And we'll, we'll link if you havegood links, we'll put them in the
I will try and find the link to that one.
It was a Costco purchase.
it might not work then.
I know.
Anyway.
just gives people an idea of,of what might be out there.
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But I just think being an ad, I thinkwhat you've said is most important as
being an advocate for yourself, whetherthat's at your doctor's office, whether
that's with a client you know, youdon't have to go into amazing depths
of detail with people, but just belike, Hey, you know, I need X, Y, Z,
take the breaks, be kind to yourself.
One of the things that's been reallygood for me, and again, I don't,
I, I don't know what, you know,this might not work for everyone.
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It might not be somethingthat fits with them.
But I mentioned Dr.
Mary Claire Haver, who is someonethat I know a lot of women listen to.
She has a book called thepause life, which I read.
And I just, I really liked it.
So if you just want moreinformation, it's very comprehensive.
She talks about all of the things, likeit's a very holistic about, you know,
pros and cons of HRT pros and cons of,you know, eating all that kind of stuff.
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So that was one that Iparticularly connected with
That's great.
Yeah.
I found one and I'll have to look it upthat really talked about the hormones
and understanding the difference inthe hormone replacement therapy and
how research that was done X amount ofyears ago that gave it such a bad rap.
The research has, you know, changed aseverything and some of the validity in
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that research and then just understandingthe different types of hormone
replacement, bioidentical versus not andyou know, your genetic makeup and how
it's possibly going to respond to those.
There's just so much out there.
But I think there is a lot of fluff too.
So you definitely have to be careful,just like picking a business coach,
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Yeah,
which is something else wetalked about, but you have to be
careful that you're listening orreading the right information.
I think that, and without going downa rabbit hole of, you know, this is
not a political statement, it's notanything, but I think, like, when COVID
happened, and everybody starts saying,like, I'm doing my own research, and
you're like, then we stopped listeningto doctors, and we stopped, like, there's
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just a lot of stuff out there, andthe one thing that I will just always
remind people is Figuring out what alegitimate source of information is,
by the way, whether that is a businesscoach or a doctor or anything else.
I think there, because as we werejoking earlier about TikTok diagnoses
of ADHD, there is so much stuffout there that people speak very
knowledgeably about something.
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And you're like, they, who are they?
They're like, literally, I could goon TikTok and start talking about,
you know, menopause treatments.
I don't know anything, right?
Like,
But somebody might listen to you
Yeah, but just like checkout who you're talking to.
That's why I personally connect with Dr.
Haver because she is a boardcertified OBGYN and she like, and
she talks about OBGYN educationand how it's bad and all the, like,
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I don't know, I connect with her.
You might not, but just make sure you'regetting good sources of information
and, you know, actually going todoctors and, and all the things,
whatever you feel comfortable with, but
for sure.
Yep.
And just, you know, set yourselfup for success in your own home.
You know, make sure that you'vegot a fan close by I have
a fan in my kitchen window.
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So if I get hot doingdishes, I just turn it on.
And I have flip flop slippersinstead of closed toe slippers,
because I know my feet are goingto get hot and then I'll get hot.
Like set yourself up for success.
Don't, you know, you don'thave to suffer completely.
Completely.
And your family is goingto learn how to freeze.
It's
Yeah.
So you just reminded me.
So when I was pregnant with myfirst kid, she was born in January
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and I distinctly remember is like,you know, at the end of when you're
pregnant and you're just a furnace.
And it was like January 8th,probably it was freezing cold
where we lived at the time.
And I went to bed wearing shorts anda tank top and I had a sheet over me.
That was it.
My husband was next to me in a hoodie, athick hoodie with the hood all the way up.
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It's cold.
He had a hat under the hoodie.
He, I can still see it.
He had multiple comforterson another blanket.
I mean, he was just.
Freezing and I was like,it's so hot in here.
And he's like, what is going on?
And I told him not that long ago,I go, Hey buddy, do you remember
that night in Ohio when I waspregnant and you were freezing
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cold and I was really, really hot.
I go, that is coming back for you.
we're coming and it's goingto be for a long time.
Yeah, that window is goingto be open all winter, dude.
So get ready.
My favorite temperature is 58 so when thewhen it's 58 in here I'm like, this is.
Yeah, I, it's starting toget a little cooler here.
Probably the same for you a little bit.
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And I am living for it.
It's
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Is there anything thatwe did not talk about?
You know, probably, but Not that Ican think of off the top of my head.
Again, just being an advocate foryourself and knowing that there could
be some things going on in your bodythat are directly related to it and
talking to your doctor about it is,I think, and being persistent about
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before you do anything super drastic.
Yeah, I love it.
So we will put lots of resourcesany links that Kim can find
of things that she loves.
I'll put links that I find that I love.
We will put them in the show notesand on the blog and all the places.
Well, thank you so much for joining us.
I love talking to you.
Yeah, it's always fun.
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That is a wrap on this week'spro organizer studio podcast.
I will see you next week.
Have a great day.
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