September 16, 2023 • 30 mins
Ken Brock joined THE PROTECTORS® PODCAST to talk about blades, titanium, his LEO career and a ton more. We were joined by Ken’s wife Janet as co-host.
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
And, by the way, we started recording.
Welcome to the Protectorspodcast.
We really just kind of thislike an ad hoc.
We're in person here, we're ata very cool university down
south and we are doing adifferent type of podcast
because it's like a couplespodcast and now the wife gets
asked, the husband questions.
(00:35):
It's going to be kind ofinteresting because both have
law enforcement background,intense law enforcement
background.
But one also has an incredibleknife company and if anybody
knows me, you know my backgroundknives.
Somehow I've transitioned fromknives to guns and now that I'm
looking at these knives now Ithink I'm going to be
transitioning back to buyingmore knives.
Welcome to the show, ken andJanet Brock.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Hello, glad to be here.
Is this your first?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
podcast Absolutely your first podcast, and your
wife is co hosting.
That's fantastic.
Welcome, Janet.
She's very apprehensive becausethis is her first podcast.
So marketing, marketing,marketing, marketing.
Now I've been to your websitesold out incredible knives.
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We're going to get into yourbackground a little while, but
it's such a different animalcoming from the background of a
protector and then trying to puta product on a market and
market it.
You're not a salesman.
I mean, you sell yourself tothe public in a way with your
mentality and your rhetoric.
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But putting an incredibleproduct and getting it out there
to the masses, that's prettytough.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
So originally I got into knife making.
I made a few knives in shop inhigh school and later on, as I
was in law enforcement, therewas a guy that would he would
work courthouse security andthen he would go and work a side
job as a basketball game, andthen he would go and work at
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Walmart as a side job and thenhe would go and work something
else and he would work so muchthat he couldn't make it home.
He would actually go sleepingto sell at the courthouse and at
that point I'm like this dude'sliving on three hours of sleep
a day.
He's not ever going home.
I'm not going to be the guythat lives in a uniform.
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I'm going to find somethingelse is going to give me an
option to make money, becausecop pay is terrible.
So I sold a couple of guns and acouple of custom knives and I
bought a knife grinder and somesteel and I just started working
on trying to figure out thebusiness as I could.
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And as far as marketing, what Ididn't want to happen is
working full time in lawenforcement.
I didn't have a ton of time todevote to making knives, so I
didn't try to market my presenceBecause then if it grew too big
I wouldn't be able to keep upwith demand and I didn't want
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people to have you know theyorder something is five years
before it gets to them.
So I purposely suppressed themarketing to a degree until I
retired.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
You know, social media is a different animal.
We'll get into that.
But let's talk about yourbackground, both of your
backgrounds.
Now, janet, you've, you knowyou work for different police
agencies and now you work for areally incredible college down
south and transitioning, and youguys are doing all this, all
this, and you're doing ittogether and here and there, but
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Now you're here and now you'resupporting your husband with his
.
It's not even a side jobanymore, it's like a business.
So let's talk about like whatthat's like to you know.
Hey, you know I lost you to thejob and now I'm like I'm losing
you to the grinder.
So and I'm not talking aboutgrinder, I'm talking about like
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the knife grinder.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
So yeah, thanks for clarifying.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah, I had to clarify that.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Well, several years and working with the knives.
And now that he's retired butstill working at the shit at the
department that he's workingfor mainly his his knives that
he was making were fixed bladeswe had been thinking and talking
a lot about making a folder forseveral years and now that he's
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retired and I'm working and Ihave a good job, that's where my
support comes in trying to getmy husband to push himself a
little further and developing afolder.
So hopefully we'll have afolder here coming soon.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Hopefully in a couple of months.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I love fixed blades.
I love fixed blades and youknow one of the things about
your website and everything iscoming from your background,
like SWAT LEO, you know what,how important it is to have
something readily available, butthe right shape and the right
strength.
So how do we?
How do we?
Let's talk about the buildingof a knife.
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I mean, is this something youdo like in your garage?
You got a workshop, you have ashop, and how do you?
How do you?
Is it like you buy them, buythe steel, and then you do this
and do that?
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Yeah, so essentially I use one of two materials.
I use titanium for people thatwant a super lightweight,
non-corrosive blade, and I alsouse a steel that it's called CPM
3V, which lets me the strengthof the steel, lets me use a
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little bit thinner stock than Inormally would for the old type
of steels.
Up until about 2003, everysteel that was out there was
adapted from some other industry.
So ATS 34 was originally madeby Hitachi of Japan for aircraft
turbines.
Somebody figured it would makea good knife steel, so they
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pressed it out into sheets andthen began to use it for knives.
D2 was a common steel.
It's a tool in die steel that'sused to cut other steel.
So about 2003 crucible metalscame up with a process where
they actually formulated knifesteel for specifically for
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knives, and they worked withsome knife makers and
essentially what they would dois they would take all the
elements that are in the steel,they put it into this crucible
and they melt it, and then theyshoot it through air nozzles to
powder it and then they collectthat, melt it again and then
form it into bars.
So the steel is morehomogeneous.
In the old days you may have apit here where there was a lump
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of chromium, or you may have apiece of carbon that was in a
certain place.
So anyway, long story, thesteel was developed.
So I use crucible steel, threeV's the formula, and then I have
it heat treated by a company.
So the only step I don't do isheat treating.
I send it to a professionalcompany in Pennsylvania.
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They harden it in an oxygenfree oven, they cryogenically
treat it, they test every bladefor the hardness that I specify
and if any of them work duringthe process they straighten them
.
But basically I get bars of thesteel.
Sometimes I have patterns on mywall that if I'm going to make a
, if I'm going to make a scheme,do like the ones on the table.
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I'll trace out that pattern andthen cut it out and grind it.
Sometimes I have an idea.
So if you say, hey, I'd like tohave a four inch fixed blade,
and this is kind of the idea,I'll just take a sharpie and
kind of roughly sketch what myidea is, and then I just start
grinding and and kind of I mean,I hate to sound artsy, but you
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kind of.
You know you're going to beable to do that.
You know what you're going toend up with.
You just have to play with it.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I love that word art because it's craft and that's a
lot of us in this community,especially law and force,
military.
Anybody been in a protectorcommunity that you're dealing
with everyday stress but thenyou're dealing with everybody
else's everyday stress.
You really need a creativeoutlet, whether that's art and
this is like to me, believe itor not.
Podcasting and writing is adifferent.
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It's my craft, it's my art.
But for you, getting into theknife industry, it's your outlet
, it's your craft.
It was.
Maybe it started off assomething like yeah, maybe this
will be a side hustle, maybeit's something I enjoy, but now
it's, it's into the businessside, but it's also still your
art and still your craft.
And I think when you look atsmall business owners like you,
you and when you look at there'sso many different, incredible
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knife makers out there, everyone of them is unique.
Now, we all know the bigmanufacturers.
They're cutting things out,they're shipping them out.
But when you're buying a pieceof steel from someone who's
putting their energy and theirart, their craft, their designs,
I think that's a differentanimal and I think that's where
the price points are spot on.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Yeah, absolutely.
A lot of these places aremaking so many of the same thing
and everything's pictured.
I grind everything freehand.
I don't own anything to measurecertain things.
I had an engineer friend ofmine came over one day and he
was watching me make knives andafter about an hour he's like I
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could tell someone was bugginghim.
And I'm like, okay, what is it?
What's wrong?
Get it off your chest.
And he says I've been here anhour, you haven't measured a
damn thing.
And I just don't, because Idon't know if I'm smart enough
to measure it and have it comeout the way I want it.
I've just been doing everythingbecause I've been making knives
for 21 years.
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So I have a process and I thinkif I mess with that process
it's going to mess up the finalproduct.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Jenny, you've been watching this for a while now.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
I do have a question to ask my husband Okay, there we
go.
I've been waiting.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I do want you to talk about because I think it's
amazing how you know being apolice officer.
We have the brotherhood and howwe build that.
You know our community and thethings that we do, but you know
being married to you andlearning a lot about the knife
making world.
I have been honored and had aprivilege to be part of that
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community through you when we goto the blade show and how that
has influenced also even ourchildren.
If you can talk about a littlebit about you know that
community and you know thepeople that are the knife makers
and you know how that impactstheir family.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
So the knife making community is pretty unique, I
think, in that when I startedmaking knives and I would ask
some of the guys that alreadyknew in the industry, I'm like,
hey, what about this or whatabout that?
And they're like, look, here'ssome ideas, here's some advice,
I'll send you some stuff.
I had a couple of guys are like, look, don't try to invent
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something right out of the gate.
It's a common rookie mistake.
And knife making you try tocome up with something different
.
It's different because itdoesn't work.
And so the some of the bestadvice I was given by other
knife makers is hey, I'll sendyou some of my blanks.
You learn grinding first, thenwork on design.
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Knife making community is biginto helping each other.
I can only think of one guy offhand that was resistant to
helping anybody.
His processes were proprietaryand that kind of thing.
And for the most part they willhelp you do anything.
And my kids have grown uparound that to the point that
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some of the guys I hang out withtreat them like their own
children.
My daughter works the tablewith us at the blade show and
which I let her sell.
She's a lot better salespersonthan I am.
But even to the point wherethey would send my daughter
started making jewelry out ofknife materials and I would just
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get boxes in the mail ofmaterials like hey, give this to
your daughter so she can turnit around and make money.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
That's, you know, the family aspect of is really cool
and you know, one one community, it sounds like, is like the
writing community, it's the samething there's.
I've interviewed so manyauthors and so many creatives
that they will help everybodyelse out in such an incredible
community.
Because I think with the knifecommunities, like me, I can't
just have one gun, I can't justhave one knife, can't just have
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one book.
So if you're having a uniqueyou know unique if you're having
a unique product, nobody elseis going to have that same
product.
So when I go to buy a knife,I'm always looking at something
like that's me, that fits me,and it's not everyone.
Nobody else is going to have it.
So when you have this wholecommunity and then you integrate
your family, that's, that's anincredible experience.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Yeah, and it's very common.
If I put a knife up onInstagram, for instance, at
least four or five of my friendsthat are in the business will
repost it and Say, hey, go buythis from this guy before it's
gone.
You're not gonna buy one knifeand that's the only knife you're
gonna have forever.
If you're a knife person,you're gonna buy one from me,
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you're gonna buy one fromStrider knives, you're gonna buy
one from less George, you'regonna buy one from Spartan
blades.
And all these Guys are friendsof mine and we will just we will
suggest our knives to somebodyelse, especially when I was
working full-time and Somebodywould reach out to me and
they're like, how, I want to buysomething like you should buy
one for my buddy less.
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That's his job.
It was just a side thing for me.
It didn't matter if I soldknife that month, but maybe he
needed to sell Four or five toto make sure that he was gonna
get the income that month thathe needed.
So it really is a close-knitcommunity.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I would agree.
I think I've seen a lot ofamazing things, especially when
the knife makers get together,like in Atlanta during the big
knife show, and Then you havesometimes within that little
community, they know thatthere's somebody need, how they
get together and they willeither work on Making this knife
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to donate it to that familywhenever they're in need, which
law enforcement we do the samething.
We get together when we seethat one of ours is in need.
Or, even if it's not in thesame agency, when we know that
there's somebody that he needs,the community gets together and
tries to help out.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Yeah, in 2015, a good friend of mine died suddenly.
He was a knife maker and it wasa month, six weeks, before the
blade show in Atlanta, and sohis close friend lived near him
said hey, I'm gonna send theknives out that he was building
and I'm gonna send one to eachof his friends.
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So 20 knives went out to 20different friends of his.
So we all finished his knivesfor the show.
All of his family came to theshow, set at his table and they
auctioned off all those, those20 folders, to support his
family.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
I, you know this community and that's what people
need.
Like, when you're looking forthat, don't look for the
almighty dollar sign.
Yeah, everybody wants to sidehustle where they're gonna make
a million dollars.
If you can make us, if you canmake a side hustle into a
business, that's actually Notjust lucrative but also
Emotionally supportive, becauseit's another mission.
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You know we all look when weretire, when we move out of
these careers.
We need another mission to keepus mentally sane.
Absolutely, keep our foot inthat in that world too.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
So more power to you and Not only that, but you even
have some friends that will dosomething, especially if
somebody was looking for doing aknife and Something happened to
them.
You'll see knife makers gettogether and push that project
with not asking nothing inreturn.
And the benefit of that personor their families.
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I think that's incredible.
I.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Still visualize the knife maker like the blacksmith.
Yeah you know, I that's like inmy mind because, like with guns
and with knives, comes theWestern guns in the Western era.
And you know, I think a lot ofus have the same type of thing
where it's like, you know thesix-year days, the blacksmith,
that you're using your hands,you're building something,
you're creating something withyou, and that must be a cool
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experience.
When you're out there, you're,you're in your zone, you're like
the sharpness that, the design,and then the handles.
That's one thing I want to talkabout is the handle.
So you can, blades are great,but the handles are really that
added touch.
The real artwork is where itshows out.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Yeah, so I Tried to find a balance of having a knife
that was Smooth enough that itwouldn't tear your clothing up.
So if you carry concealed, I'msure you're familiar with the
way that your gun will knockholes in your shirt.
Mm-hmm the same kind of thingfor a blade and actually another
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knife maker friend of mine.
We were at the blade show andhe was telling me he does a
similar handle of mine and Isaid, martin, how do you, how do
you get it smooth but yettextured the same way?
And he was a physical Texan andhe says I just throw the whole
damn thing in a tumbler.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Oh yeah, I'm like what?
Speaker 3 (17:39):
that?
Because I'm thinking, havingnever used a tumbler, I'm
thinking was that just eat awayyour material.
No it.
You throw it in there for acouple of hours.
And now so all these groovesare textured by hand on a small
wheel on the grinder, and then,once that's done, I bead blast
the whole thing, throw it in thetumbler for a couple hours and
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pull it out, wash it off, soakit with WD-40 and you have this
nice smooth texture with, with,with no hot spots is gonna end
up biting into your hand or your, your waistband.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Now you may have heard Some shuffling or
something in the backgroundduring this podcast.
What I was doing is I wasactually looking I'm looking at
three blades right now and onething that really kind of hit
right off the bat was Superlight.
There's titanium titanium.
This is such an incredibleblade and I love.
I love fixed blades, but I alsolike it's almost like the
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dagger type.
Mm-hmm and it's.
I think that's prellio worldand I think and you know a lot
of our different worlds when itcomes to having something that's
solid and something that'sstraight and something that
could fit on at your side or inyour kit, I think that's an
incredible aspect of it.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
So titanium is a pretty cool material.
The problem is that it doesn't.
It's not hardenable Mm-hmm, atleast most grades of titanium
that are affordable or nothardenable like steel.
So Most knives are going to bein the Rockwell hardness of
between 55 to 62.
Titanium only gets about 42.
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So what I do and I didn't comeup with this, I stole it from
somebody else is you weld alayer of tungsten carbide, so
this gray layer here is tungstencarbide, and then you sharpen
the other side and what happensis that gives you a thin edge of
tungsten carbide which I thinkis in the lower 70s on the
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hardness scale.
So it actually gives you alittle more edge retention long
term in dealing with cutting.
The thing about it is there's atrade off for everything.
If you want one of my steelknives in 3V, it's going to hold
an edge a long time, it's goingto be strong, but it's going to
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be a little harder to sharpenthan, say, a 1095 or an 01
carbon steel because they'resofter.
Titanium is softer, it'slighter, it's non-corrosive, but
it's never going to cut as goodas steel.
Now, each one of them willshave the hair off my leg before
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it leaves a shop which my wifegives me a hard time about, but
you just have to pick the righttool for the job.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
I think, being a layman, being someone, it's
almost like medical jargon to me.
When you're talking about knifehardness, it makes a lot of
sense that you're going to havetrade off, and my biggest
concern ever was always beenwhat if I break the tip off the
blade when I'm going to beopening some stupid thing like a
safe?
It's never going to happen, butit's like me before, when we
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were talking about guns, I'mlike well, you never know, I'm
going to run into a bear out inthe woods.
We were talking about thisbefore.
But it's like yeah, you mayhave a light blade and it may
lose its sharpness, but a fixedblade like the Titanium to me
would be like hey, you know what?
This is kind of cool.
It's going to be on my kit.
I'm not going to use it everyday.
I'm not going to be using it toopen up the Amazon boxes.
I'm not going to be shavinghairs on my legs every day, but
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it's going to be an excellentutility when the time comes.
It's going to be on my kit.
It's going to be light enoughto work and we all know in the
law enforcement world, even in atactical world, every ounce
counts.
So when you pick up theseblades.
They're super lightweight.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
A lot of the guys on my former team are carrying a
Titanium fixed blade.
They forget it's there.
They tuck it in by signing amagazine pouch and if they need
it it's there and it works.
And they know if.
My warranty is pretty simple ifyou break it, I'll fix it or
replace it.
Not that that's ever happened.
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I think I have.
I've had a couple of guys thatdropped a steel knife on
concrete and shipped about aneight inch eighth of an inch
piece off the tip and I justsharpened it out.
So it's not a huge problem.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
So we're getting into a new generation, the folders,
and I've you know that's.
That's got to be an interestingthing to get into too.
With the, to me it's likewatchmaking, like you know.
You can have, you know, the,the swatches and stuff like that
, but then you're going to getinto, like the, anything in
between up to the Rolexes.
But how are you going to?
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How do you put together a fixedblade?
Speaker 3 (22:29):
How do you put together a fixed blade or a
folder?
I mean folder.
Yeah, honestly, yeah, you coulddo it in a similar way as I do
with a fixed blade.
You can cut out each handle,you can cut out each blade.
The problem is there's gonna bea variation that's gonna take a
whole lot more hand fitting.
So what you do is you find afriend like mine that when we
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went to visit him at his shop Itook one of my fixed blades.
He put it in his computer.
It can figure out where thepivot needs to be.
It will actually fold in thecomputer and then, once it's
where we want it, he prints itout on his 3D printer and sends
it to me and then I can playwith it and figure out, and then
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in his computer he can nest allof the, let's say, a two by two
sheet of titanium.
The computer will program outall the handles, for instance at
with the least amount of waste,and then he can send that file
to a water jet guy or sea andsea guy and they can cut all
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that out.
So all the parts are the same.
So do the same thing for theblades.
So then, when it comes to me.
There's a lot of cleanup andstuff I'll have to do and I'll
grind the blades.
They're not gonna be mid-tech,they're not gonna be
manufactured in a facilitysomewhere and then I have to fit
them all together and you haveto grind the face of the lock
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and to make sure everything it'sa lot of fiddly stuff.
You have to put it together.
Okay, this didn't quite right.
Have to take it apart again,take it back over to the grinder
, touch it up, put it backtogether.
So there's a lot of that.
That goes on.
So I'm gonna go to a foldermaking school at my buddy's
house for a couple of days whenwe actually get the parts cut
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out, so he can show me some ofthe easier ways to do it with
less possibility for losingparts and messing something up.
And that goes back into what westarted talking about initially
is he's gonna take a couple ofdays out of his work to help me.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Not only that, but I'm excited about your folder
because I have a personalexperience with the folders when
my children were born becausehe's a knife maker I had the
privilege to have my husbandgrind the knife and cut my
children's ability cord and thatwas really, really awesome.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Now, that's cool.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
So a friend of mine, mcstryder McStryder Knives, sent
me one of their SMF folders andhe says it was just a box of
parts with a blank blade thathe'd already heat treated and
he'd written my name on it inSharpie.
So I ground the blade out, putthe folder together and I didn't
take any of the Sharpie off.
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I left all the blade out, fluidhe'd put on it and I was
carrying that knife on ourdaughter.
We went to the hospital for herto have our daughter and Janet
says you should cut the cordwith your knife.
And the obstetrician comes inand I said, hey, I'm gonna cut
this cord with this knife.
And he's like cool, he was asuper, super cool doctor.
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He actually took me to a CWPclass for me years ago and then
when our son was born, I saidI'm gonna use that same knife
and I'm gonna have it and I'llend up having it engraved with
both of their names andbirthdays.
But as a thank you I made theobstetrician a little knife and
gave it to him.
And the nurse comes back in.
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She said oh honey, that fooldidn't cut himself with that
knife out there, acting like anidiot, like some kind of ninja.
So they had to patch up theobstetrician before he delivered
our son.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
You know that is an incredible thing.
That folders, too, is like.
Every folder means somethingLike to me I'd like to have a
folder hand out of my daughterto my son, to other people I've
given folders away to likereally good friends.
Folders are like.
They're another thing.
That's art when you, becauseyou're carrying, you can carry a
folder with you anywhere.
I mean, if I rolled up anywhereand I have a fixed blade on my
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belt, people are gonna be like,huh, is this dude a biker or
what's going on here?
You watching a little too muchSun's Anarchy or something like
that.
But a folder, you can carrythat around with you.
You could.
And people, it's like art.
I'm like, hey, I'm gonna wearthis outfit, I'm gonna wear this
one because the I don't knowwhat it is.
You know there's somethingabout it too, and everything has
a story behind it.
Everything has a story behindit.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Yeah, and people buy folding knives about 10 to one
over fixed blades.
I tend to carry a fixed bladeeverywhere.
I rarely carry a folder myself,but that's just me.
Most people prefer to carry afolder.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
You know we've been talking for a bit now and maybe
we should probably tell peoplewhere to buy your knives.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
So my website is broughtblazecom or
broughtblazenet.
It goes to the same place.
Don't usually have a ton instock.
A lot of times, as we weretalking before you started
recording, I can either grindsteel or I can spend time all
day on the website listingknives.
So what I tend to do is get abatch together and send them to
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one of my dealers.
So Monkey Edge is one of mydealers and KnifeCenter is the
other big dealer.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
I love it.
I'm looking forward to buyingone and I'm looking forward to
carrying one and I'm definitelygonna buy a folder when it comes
out.
But you know, I've kind ofhogged up a lot of the air.
Does Janet have any questions?
Speaker 2 (28:07):
I would say, if you're gonna buy anything, you
need to buy something that istitanium because, like I said,
there is a story behind it.
It is amazing as a wife pullingup to your driving and watching
your husband catch on firewhile he's trying to grind those
knives.
So there's always a storybehind it.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
So titanium is a terrible material to work with.
If I'm grinding a steel blade,so the KnifeGruinder is a two by
72 inch belt that goes overdifferent attachments that you
have on a horse and a half ortwo horsepower motor.
(28:44):
And so when I'm grinding, ifI'm grinding steel, the steel is
heavy enough it just falls down.
When you're grinding titanium,the pieces that are coming off
are so light, that kind of floatin the air and they'll settle.
They'll settle wherever, butusually on your hand, and a
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spark will eventually catch andit's like trying to flick a 3000
degree booger off your hand.
And you're doing this kung fufighting in the shop, an
invisible opponent trying to getthis off while you're burning.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
And she finds that humorous for some reason.
I don't know why.
That's why we have goodhumongous insurance.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
You gotta get the camera out for that one next
time.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Yeah, I need to make a reel of that.
It would go viral.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Well, I do wanna.
It's in the retail areas,though.
Thank you so much for coming ona show and talking blades.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I could really.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
I mean, if we had another hour we could really get
into it, but you know, theprotector is only like 30, 35
minutes, but looking forward toreally checking out the blades.
Janet, you are a protector andcan, you are too, and I do wanna
thank you both.
I mean, believe me, someonecomes to the military and
everything, and a lot of peopleto.
My idea is this if you'regiving back to the community, if
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you put on a badge, you put ona uniform, you're giving back,
you are serving, and thank youboth for your service and thank
you for what you're doing forthe community, and I really
appreciate this.
I appreciate your hospitality aswell.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Absolutely glad to be here.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Make sure you go to Instagram too, because we know
all about this marketing stuffBrockblades.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Brock underscore blades is Instagram.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yep and we'll definitely be pushing these out
and thank you both so much,Thank you.
And, by the way, we started recording.
Welcome to the Protectorspodcast.
We really just kind of thislike an ad hoc.
We're in person here, we're ata very cool university down
south and we are doing adifferent type of podcast
because it's like a couplespodcast and now the wife gets
asked, the husband questions.
(00:35):
It's going to be kind ofinteresting because both have
law enforcement background,intense law enforcement
background.
But one also has an incredibleknife company and if anybody
knows me, you know my backgroundknives.
Somehow I've transitioned fromknives to guns and now that I'm
looking at these knives now Ithink I'm going to be
transitioning back to buyingmore knives.
Welcome to the show, ken andJanet Brock.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Hello, glad to be here.
Is this your first?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
podcast Absolutely your first podcast, and your
wife is co hosting.
That's fantastic.
Welcome, Janet.
She's very apprehensive becausethis is her first podcast.
So marketing, marketing,marketing, marketing.
Now I've been to your websitesold out incredible knives.
(01:24):
We're going to get into yourbackground a little while, but
it's such a different animalcoming from the background of a
protector and then trying to puta product on a market and
market it.
You're not a salesman.
I mean, you sell yourself tothe public in a way with your
mentality and your rhetoric.
(01:46):
But putting an incredibleproduct and getting it out there
to the masses, that's prettytough.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
So originally I got into knife making.
I made a few knives in shop inhigh school and later on, as I
was in law enforcement, therewas a guy that would he would
work courthouse security andthen he would go and work a side
job as a basketball game, andthen he would go and work at
(02:14):
Walmart as a side job and thenhe would go and work something
else and he would work so muchthat he couldn't make it home.
He would actually go sleepingto sell at the courthouse and at
that point I'm like this dude'sliving on three hours of sleep
a day.
He's not ever going home.
I'm not going to be the guythat lives in a uniform.
(02:34):
I'm going to find somethingelse is going to give me an
option to make money, becausecop pay is terrible.
So I sold a couple of guns and acouple of custom knives and I
bought a knife grinder and somesteel and I just started working
on trying to figure out thebusiness as I could.
(02:57):
And as far as marketing, what Ididn't want to happen is
working full time in lawenforcement.
I didn't have a ton of time todevote to making knives, so I
didn't try to market my presenceBecause then if it grew too big
I wouldn't be able to keep upwith demand and I didn't want
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people to have you know theyorder something is five years
before it gets to them.
So I purposely suppressed themarketing to a degree until I
retired.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
You know, social media is a different animal.
We'll get into that.
But let's talk about yourbackground, both of your
backgrounds.
Now, janet, you've, you knowyou work for different police
agencies and now you work for areally incredible college down
south and transitioning, and youguys are doing all this, all
this, and you're doing ittogether and here and there, but
(03:51):
Now you're here and now you'resupporting your husband with his
.
It's not even a side jobanymore, it's like a business.
So let's talk about like whatthat's like to you know.
Hey, you know I lost you to thejob and now I'm like I'm losing
you to the grinder.
So and I'm not talking aboutgrinder, I'm talking about like
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the knife grinder.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
So yeah, thanks for clarifying.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah, I had to clarify that.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Well, several years and working with the knives.
And now that he's retired butstill working at the shit at the
department that he's workingfor mainly his his knives that
he was making were fixed bladeswe had been thinking and talking
a lot about making a folder forseveral years and now that he's
(04:37):
retired and I'm working and Ihave a good job, that's where my
support comes in trying to getmy husband to push himself a
little further and developing afolder.
So hopefully we'll have afolder here coming soon.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Hopefully in a couple of months.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I love fixed blades.
I love fixed blades and youknow one of the things about
your website and everything iscoming from your background,
like SWAT LEO, you know what,how important it is to have
something readily available, butthe right shape and the right
strength.
So how do we?
How do we?
Let's talk about the buildingof a knife.
(05:14):
I mean, is this something youdo like in your garage?
You got a workshop, you have ashop, and how do you?
How do you?
Is it like you buy them, buythe steel, and then you do this
and do that?
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Yeah, so essentially I use one of two materials.
I use titanium for people thatwant a super lightweight,
non-corrosive blade, and I alsouse a steel that it's called CPM
3V, which lets me the strengthof the steel, lets me use a
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little bit thinner stock than Inormally would for the old type
of steels.
Up until about 2003, everysteel that was out there was
adapted from some other industry.
So ATS 34 was originally madeby Hitachi of Japan for aircraft
turbines.
Somebody figured it would makea good knife steel, so they
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pressed it out into sheets andthen began to use it for knives.
D2 was a common steel.
It's a tool in die steel that'sused to cut other steel.
So about 2003 crucible metalscame up with a process where
they actually formulated knifesteel for specifically for
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knives, and they worked withsome knife makers and
essentially what they would dois they would take all the
elements that are in the steel,they put it into this crucible
and they melt it, and then theyshoot it through air nozzles to
powder it and then they collectthat, melt it again and then
form it into bars.
So the steel is morehomogeneous.
In the old days you may have apit here where there was a lump
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of chromium, or you may have apiece of carbon that was in a
certain place.
So anyway, long story, thesteel was developed.
So I use crucible steel, threeV's the formula, and then I have
it heat treated by a company.
So the only step I don't do isheat treating.
I send it to a professionalcompany in Pennsylvania.
(07:16):
They harden it in an oxygenfree oven, they cryogenically
treat it, they test every bladefor the hardness that I specify
and if any of them work duringthe process they straighten them
.
But basically I get bars of thesteel.
Sometimes I have patterns on mywall that if I'm going to make a
, if I'm going to make a scheme,do like the ones on the table.
(07:38):
I'll trace out that pattern andthen cut it out and grind it.
Sometimes I have an idea.
So if you say, hey, I'd like tohave a four inch fixed blade,
and this is kind of the idea,I'll just take a sharpie and
kind of roughly sketch what myidea is, and then I just start
grinding and and kind of I mean,I hate to sound artsy, but you
(07:59):
kind of.
You know you're going to beable to do that.
You know what you're going toend up with.
You just have to play with it.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I love that word art because it's craft and that's a
lot of us in this community,especially law and force,
military.
Anybody been in a protectorcommunity that you're dealing
with everyday stress but thenyou're dealing with everybody
else's everyday stress.
You really need a creativeoutlet, whether that's art and
this is like to me, believe itor not.
Podcasting and writing is adifferent.
(08:28):
It's my craft, it's my art.
But for you, getting into theknife industry, it's your outlet
, it's your craft.
It was.
Maybe it started off assomething like yeah, maybe this
will be a side hustle, maybeit's something I enjoy, but now
it's, it's into the businessside, but it's also still your
art and still your craft.
And I think when you look atsmall business owners like you,
you and when you look at there'sso many different, incredible
(08:50):
knife makers out there, everyone of them is unique.
Now, we all know the bigmanufacturers.
They're cutting things out,they're shipping them out.
But when you're buying a pieceof steel from someone who's
putting their energy and theirart, their craft, their designs,
I think that's a differentanimal and I think that's where
the price points are spot on.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Yeah, absolutely.
A lot of these places aremaking so many of the same thing
and everything's pictured.
I grind everything freehand.
I don't own anything to measurecertain things.
I had an engineer friend ofmine came over one day and he
was watching me make knives andafter about an hour he's like I
(09:29):
could tell someone was bugginghim.
And I'm like, okay, what is it?
What's wrong?
Get it off your chest.
And he says I've been here anhour, you haven't measured a
damn thing.
And I just don't, because Idon't know if I'm smart enough
to measure it and have it comeout the way I want it.
I've just been doing everythingbecause I've been making knives
for 21 years.
(09:50):
So I have a process and I thinkif I mess with that process
it's going to mess up the finalproduct.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Jenny, you've been watching this for a while now.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
I do have a question to ask my husband Okay, there we
go.
I've been waiting.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I do want you to talk about because I think it's
amazing how you know being apolice officer.
We have the brotherhood and howwe build that.
You know our community and thethings that we do, but you know
being married to you andlearning a lot about the knife
making world.
I have been honored and had aprivilege to be part of that
(10:26):
community through you when we goto the blade show and how that
has influenced also even ourchildren.
If you can talk about a littlebit about you know that
community and you know thepeople that are the knife makers
and you know how that impactstheir family.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
So the knife making community is pretty unique, I
think, in that when I startedmaking knives and I would ask
some of the guys that alreadyknew in the industry, I'm like,
hey, what about this or whatabout that?
And they're like, look, here'ssome ideas, here's some advice,
I'll send you some stuff.
I had a couple of guys are like, look, don't try to invent
(11:05):
something right out of the gate.
It's a common rookie mistake.
And knife making you try tocome up with something different
.
It's different because itdoesn't work.
And so the some of the bestadvice I was given by other
knife makers is hey, I'll sendyou some of my blanks.
You learn grinding first, thenwork on design.
(11:25):
Knife making community is biginto helping each other.
I can only think of one guy offhand that was resistant to
helping anybody.
His processes were proprietaryand that kind of thing.
And for the most part they willhelp you do anything.
And my kids have grown uparound that to the point that
(11:48):
some of the guys I hang out withtreat them like their own
children.
My daughter works the tablewith us at the blade show and
which I let her sell.
She's a lot better salespersonthan I am.
But even to the point wherethey would send my daughter
started making jewelry out ofknife materials and I would just
(12:10):
get boxes in the mail ofmaterials like hey, give this to
your daughter so she can turnit around and make money.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
That's, you know, the family aspect of is really cool
and you know, one one community, it sounds like, is like the
writing community, it's the samething there's.
I've interviewed so manyauthors and so many creatives
that they will help everybodyelse out in such an incredible
community.
Because I think with the knifecommunities, like me, I can't
just have one gun, I can't justhave one knife, can't just have
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one book.
So if you're having a uniqueyou know unique if you're having
a unique product, nobody elseis going to have that same
product.
So when I go to buy a knife,I'm always looking at something
like that's me, that fits me,and it's not everyone.
Nobody else is going to have it.
So when you have this wholecommunity and then you integrate
your family, that's, that's anincredible experience.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Yeah, and it's very common.
If I put a knife up onInstagram, for instance, at
least four or five of my friendsthat are in the business will
repost it and Say, hey, go buythis from this guy before it's
gone.
You're not gonna buy one knifeand that's the only knife you're
gonna have forever.
If you're a knife person,you're gonna buy one from me,
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you're gonna buy one fromStrider knives, you're gonna buy
one from less George, you'regonna buy one from Spartan
blades.
And all these Guys are friendsof mine and we will just we will
suggest our knives to somebodyelse, especially when I was
working full-time and Somebodywould reach out to me and
they're like, how, I want to buysomething like you should buy
one for my buddy less.
(13:47):
That's his job.
It was just a side thing for me.
It didn't matter if I soldknife that month, but maybe he
needed to sell Four or five toto make sure that he was gonna
get the income that month thathe needed.
So it really is a close-knitcommunity.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I would agree.
I think I've seen a lot ofamazing things, especially when
the knife makers get together,like in Atlanta during the big
knife show, and Then you havesometimes within that little
community, they know thatthere's somebody need, how they
get together and they willeither work on Making this knife
(14:25):
to donate it to that familywhenever they're in need, which
law enforcement we do the samething.
We get together when we seethat one of ours is in need.
Or, even if it's not in thesame agency, when we know that
there's somebody that he needs,the community gets together and
tries to help out.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Yeah, in 2015, a good friend of mine died suddenly.
He was a knife maker and it wasa month, six weeks, before the
blade show in Atlanta, and sohis close friend lived near him
said hey, I'm gonna send theknives out that he was building
and I'm gonna send one to eachof his friends.
(15:01):
So 20 knives went out to 20different friends of his.
So we all finished his knivesfor the show.
All of his family came to theshow, set at his table and they
auctioned off all those, those20 folders, to support his
family.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
I, you know this community and that's what people
need.
Like, when you're looking forthat, don't look for the
almighty dollar sign.
Yeah, everybody wants to sidehustle where they're gonna make
a million dollars.
If you can make us, if you canmake a side hustle into a
business, that's actually Notjust lucrative but also
Emotionally supportive, becauseit's another mission.
(15:41):
You know we all look when weretire, when we move out of
these careers.
We need another mission to keepus mentally sane.
Absolutely, keep our foot inthat in that world too.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
So more power to you and Not only that, but you even
have some friends that will dosomething, especially if
somebody was looking for doing aknife and Something happened to
them.
You'll see knife makers gettogether and push that project
with not asking nothing inreturn.
And the benefit of that personor their families.
(16:11):
I think that's incredible.
I.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Still visualize the knife maker like the blacksmith.
Yeah you know, I that's like inmy mind because, like with guns
and with knives, comes theWestern guns in the Western era.
And you know, I think a lot ofus have the same type of thing
where it's like, you know thesix-year days, the blacksmith,
that you're using your hands,you're building something,
you're creating something withyou, and that must be a cool
(16:37):
experience.
When you're out there, you're,you're in your zone, you're like
the sharpness that, the design,and then the handles.
That's one thing I want to talkabout is the handle.
So you can, blades are great,but the handles are really that
added touch.
The real artwork is where itshows out.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Yeah, so I Tried to find a balance of having a knife
that was Smooth enough that itwouldn't tear your clothing up.
So if you carry concealed, I'msure you're familiar with the
way that your gun will knockholes in your shirt.
Mm-hmm the same kind of thingfor a blade and actually another
(17:17):
knife maker friend of mine.
We were at the blade show andhe was telling me he does a
similar handle of mine and Isaid, martin, how do you, how do
you get it smooth but yettextured the same way?
And he was a physical Texan andhe says I just throw the whole
damn thing in a tumbler.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Oh yeah, I'm like what?
Speaker 3 (17:39):
that?
Because I'm thinking, havingnever used a tumbler, I'm
thinking was that just eat awayyour material.
No it.
You throw it in there for acouple of hours.
And now so all these groovesare textured by hand on a small
wheel on the grinder, and then,once that's done, I bead blast
the whole thing, throw it in thetumbler for a couple hours and
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pull it out, wash it off, soakit with WD-40 and you have this
nice smooth texture with, with,with no hot spots is gonna end
up biting into your hand or your, your waistband.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Now you may have heard Some shuffling or
something in the backgroundduring this podcast.
What I was doing is I wasactually looking I'm looking at
three blades right now and onething that really kind of hit
right off the bat was Superlight.
There's titanium titanium.
This is such an incredibleblade and I love.
I love fixed blades, but I alsolike it's almost like the
(18:36):
dagger type.
Mm-hmm and it's.
I think that's prellio worldand I think and you know a lot
of our different worlds when itcomes to having something that's
solid and something that'sstraight and something that
could fit on at your side or inyour kit, I think that's an
incredible aspect of it.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
So titanium is a pretty cool material.
The problem is that it doesn't.
It's not hardenable Mm-hmm, atleast most grades of titanium
that are affordable or nothardenable like steel.
So Most knives are going to bein the Rockwell hardness of
between 55 to 62.
Titanium only gets about 42.
(19:13):
So what I do and I didn't comeup with this, I stole it from
somebody else is you weld alayer of tungsten carbide, so
this gray layer here is tungstencarbide, and then you sharpen
the other side and what happensis that gives you a thin edge of
tungsten carbide which I thinkis in the lower 70s on the
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hardness scale.
So it actually gives you alittle more edge retention long
term in dealing with cutting.
The thing about it is there's atrade off for everything.
If you want one of my steelknives in 3V, it's going to hold
an edge a long time, it's goingto be strong, but it's going to
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be a little harder to sharpenthan, say, a 1095 or an 01
carbon steel because they'resofter.
Titanium is softer, it'slighter, it's non-corrosive, but
it's never going to cut as goodas steel.
Now, each one of them willshave the hair off my leg before
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it leaves a shop which my wifegives me a hard time about, but
you just have to pick the righttool for the job.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
I think, being a layman, being someone, it's
almost like medical jargon to me.
When you're talking about knifehardness, it makes a lot of
sense that you're going to havetrade off, and my biggest
concern ever was always beenwhat if I break the tip off the
blade when I'm going to beopening some stupid thing like a
safe?
It's never going to happen, butit's like me before, when we
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were talking about guns, I'mlike well, you never know, I'm
going to run into a bear out inthe woods.
We were talking about thisbefore.
But it's like yeah, you mayhave a light blade and it may
lose its sharpness, but a fixedblade like the Titanium to me
would be like hey, you know what?
This is kind of cool.
It's going to be on my kit.
I'm not going to use it everyday.
I'm not going to be using it toopen up the Amazon boxes.
I'm not going to be shavinghairs on my legs every day, but
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it's going to be an excellentutility when the time comes.
It's going to be on my kit.
It's going to be light enoughto work and we all know in the
law enforcement world, even in atactical world, every ounce
counts.
So when you pick up theseblades.
They're super lightweight.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
A lot of the guys on my former team are carrying a
Titanium fixed blade.
They forget it's there.
They tuck it in by signing amagazine pouch and if they need
it it's there and it works.
And they know if.
My warranty is pretty simple ifyou break it, I'll fix it or
replace it.
Not that that's ever happened.
(21:50):
I think I have.
I've had a couple of guys thatdropped a steel knife on
concrete and shipped about aneight inch eighth of an inch
piece off the tip and I justsharpened it out.
So it's not a huge problem.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
So we're getting into a new generation, the folders,
and I've you know that's.
That's got to be an interestingthing to get into too.
With the, to me it's likewatchmaking, like you know.
You can have, you know, the,the swatches and stuff like that
, but then you're going to getinto, like the, anything in
between up to the Rolexes.
But how are you going to?
(22:27):
How do you put together a fixedblade?
Speaker 3 (22:29):
How do you put together a fixed blade or a
folder?
I mean folder.
Yeah, honestly, yeah, you coulddo it in a similar way as I do
with a fixed blade.
You can cut out each handle,you can cut out each blade.
The problem is there's gonna bea variation that's gonna take a
whole lot more hand fitting.
So what you do is you find afriend like mine that when we
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went to visit him at his shop Itook one of my fixed blades.
He put it in his computer.
It can figure out where thepivot needs to be.
It will actually fold in thecomputer and then, once it's
where we want it, he prints itout on his 3D printer and sends
it to me and then I can playwith it and figure out, and then
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in his computer he can nest allof the, let's say, a two by two
sheet of titanium.
The computer will program outall the handles, for instance at
with the least amount of waste,and then he can send that file
to a water jet guy or sea andsea guy and they can cut all
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that out.
So all the parts are the same.
So do the same thing for theblades.
So then, when it comes to me.
There's a lot of cleanup andstuff I'll have to do and I'll
grind the blades.
They're not gonna be mid-tech,they're not gonna be
manufactured in a facilitysomewhere and then I have to fit
them all together and you haveto grind the face of the lock
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and to make sure everything it'sa lot of fiddly stuff.
You have to put it together.
Okay, this didn't quite right.
Have to take it apart again,take it back over to the grinder
, touch it up, put it backtogether.
So there's a lot of that.
That goes on.
So I'm gonna go to a foldermaking school at my buddy's
house for a couple of days whenwe actually get the parts cut
(24:17):
out, so he can show me some ofthe easier ways to do it with
less possibility for losingparts and messing something up.
And that goes back into what westarted talking about initially
is he's gonna take a couple ofdays out of his work to help me.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Not only that, but I'm excited about your folder
because I have a personalexperience with the folders when
my children were born becausehe's a knife maker I had the
privilege to have my husbandgrind the knife and cut my
children's ability cord and thatwas really, really awesome.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Now, that's cool.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
So a friend of mine, mcstryder McStryder Knives, sent
me one of their SMF folders andhe says it was just a box of
parts with a blank blade thathe'd already heat treated and
he'd written my name on it inSharpie.
So I ground the blade out, putthe folder together and I didn't
take any of the Sharpie off.
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I left all the blade out, fluidhe'd put on it and I was
carrying that knife on ourdaughter.
We went to the hospital for herto have our daughter and Janet
says you should cut the cordwith your knife.
And the obstetrician comes inand I said, hey, I'm gonna cut
this cord with this knife.
And he's like cool, he was asuper, super cool doctor.
(25:45):
He actually took me to a CWPclass for me years ago and then
when our son was born, I saidI'm gonna use that same knife
and I'm gonna have it and I'llend up having it engraved with
both of their names andbirthdays.
But as a thank you I made theobstetrician a little knife and
gave it to him.
And the nurse comes back in.
(26:06):
She said oh honey, that fooldidn't cut himself with that
knife out there, acting like anidiot, like some kind of ninja.
So they had to patch up theobstetrician before he delivered
our son.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
You know that is an incredible thing.
That folders, too, is like.
Every folder means somethingLike to me I'd like to have a
folder hand out of my daughterto my son, to other people I've
given folders away to likereally good friends.
Folders are like.
They're another thing.
That's art when you, becauseyou're carrying, you can carry a
folder with you anywhere.
I mean, if I rolled up anywhereand I have a fixed blade on my
(26:42):
belt, people are gonna be like,huh, is this dude a biker or
what's going on here?
You watching a little too muchSun's Anarchy or something like
that.
But a folder, you can carrythat around with you.
You could.
And people, it's like art.
I'm like, hey, I'm gonna wearthis outfit, I'm gonna wear this
one because the I don't knowwhat it is.
You know there's somethingabout it too, and everything has
a story behind it.
Everything has a story behindit.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Yeah, and people buy folding knives about 10 to one
over fixed blades.
I tend to carry a fixed bladeeverywhere.
I rarely carry a folder myself,but that's just me.
Most people prefer to carry afolder.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
You know we've been talking for a bit now and maybe
we should probably tell peoplewhere to buy your knives.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
So my website is broughtblazecom or
broughtblazenet.
It goes to the same place.
Don't usually have a ton instock.
A lot of times, as we weretalking before you started
recording, I can either grindsteel or I can spend time all
day on the website listingknives.
So what I tend to do is get abatch together and send them to
(27:46):
one of my dealers.
So Monkey Edge is one of mydealers and KnifeCenter is the
other big dealer.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
I love it.
I'm looking forward to buyingone and I'm looking forward to
carrying one and I'm definitelygonna buy a folder when it comes
out.
But you know, I've kind ofhogged up a lot of the air.
Does Janet have any questions?
Speaker 2 (28:07):
I would say, if you're gonna buy anything, you
need to buy something that istitanium because, like I said,
there is a story behind it.
It is amazing as a wife pullingup to your driving and watching
your husband catch on firewhile he's trying to grind those
knives.
So there's always a storybehind it.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
So titanium is a terrible material to work with.
If I'm grinding a steel blade,so the KnifeGruinder is a two by
72 inch belt that goes overdifferent attachments that you
have on a horse and a half ortwo horsepower motor.
(28:44):
And so when I'm grinding, ifI'm grinding steel, the steel is
heavy enough it just falls down.
When you're grinding titanium,the pieces that are coming off
are so light, that kind of floatin the air and they'll settle.
They'll settle wherever, butusually on your hand, and a
(29:04):
spark will eventually catch andit's like trying to flick a 3000
degree booger off your hand.
And you're doing this kung fufighting in the shop, an
invisible opponent trying to getthis off while you're burning.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
And she finds that humorous for some reason.
I don't know why.
That's why we have goodhumongous insurance.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
You gotta get the camera out for that one next
time.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Yeah, I need to make a reel of that.
It would go viral.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Well, I do wanna.
It's in the retail areas,though.
Thank you so much for coming ona show and talking blades.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I could really.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
I mean, if we had another hour we could really get
into it, but you know, theprotector is only like 30, 35
minutes, but looking forward toreally checking out the blades.
Janet, you are a protector andcan, you are too, and I do wanna
thank you both.
I mean, believe me, someonecomes to the military and
everything, and a lot of peopleto.
My idea is this if you'regiving back to the community, if
(30:05):
you put on a badge, you put ona uniform, you're giving back,
you are serving, and thank youboth for your service and thank
you for what you're doing forthe community, and I really
appreciate this.
I appreciate your hospitality aswell.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Absolutely glad to be here.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Make sure you go to Instagram too, because we know
all about this marketing stuffBrockblades.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Brock underscore blades is Instagram.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yep and we'll definitely be pushing these out
and thank you both so much,Thank you.
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