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July 2, 2025 33 mins

In this episode of The Real Enneagram, we had the pleasure of welcoming Dr. Jennifer Joss, a psychologist and leadership coach who has been using the Enneagram in her work for many years. Dr. Joss shared her journey with the Enneagram, which began in 1993, and her recent deep dive into understanding the Enneagram symbol itself.

She discussed how her exploration was sparked by a transformative experience during a workshop led by Uranio Paes, where she felt a profound connection to the Enneagram as a map for personal and spiritual growth. Dr. Joss emphasized the importance of the Enneagram's three laws— the law of one, the law of three, and the law of seven— and how they reflect universal patterns of creation and renewal.

Throughout our conversation, we explored the idea that the Enneagram is not just a tool for understanding personality types but a deeper symbol that can guide us toward wholeness and integration. Dr. Joss highlighted the significance of holding paradoxes and the necessity of coming apart in order to experience a new level of being.

We also touched on her coaching approach, which she describes as hermetic philosophy, focusing on distilling truths from various spiritual and philosophical traditions. Dr. Joss expressed her desire to create a workbook to make her insights more accessible and practical for those looking to navigate their own journeys.

This episode was rich with insights and reflections on how the Enneagram can serve as a powerful tool for personal transformation and understanding our interconnectedness. We hope you enjoy this enlightening discussion and find inspiration in Dr. Joss's journey and insights.

To learn more about Dr. Joss and her offerings, visit: jumpingcurves.com

To learn more about the Institute for Conscious Being, visit: theicb.info

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