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Lisa, absolutely, Tamra. Thisis a conversation, not a dissertation.

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Yeah, no scene by scene breakdownshere. We jump around a lot
and of course huge spoiler alert forthe entire universe through yesterday's episode. So
if you're cool with that, thisis the place for you, and we
should jump right on into episode three. Maggie's up to no good? Yeah,
okay, okay. I have beenwondering about this since about halfway through

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the first episode, and at firstI was kind of just kind of get
no, she just doesn't trust Nigan, you know, she has a lot
of you know, baggage with him. But after she set the Dino on
fire, HM, I am sureof it. She because she has a
plan, but she will not tellhim what it is, and I am

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pretty sure at this point it isoffering him up for sacrifice. So too.
I also wondered why she set thatthing on fire, like she just
did not want Nigan to know thatthe girl was around, I think,
but why absolutely, Yeah she does. I mean she doesn't want anything to
distract Nigan from being the bait.And I mean he's already said I'm the

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bait. But I think she's planningon double crossing him. Well, so
I'm not completely sure of that.I think she still has her own motives
clearly, but I feel like asthey are learning more about like she learned
about his current situation, which Iwant to talk about shortly, But she

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learned about that, and people aresaying, well, maybe they're opening up
to each other. Maybe she's notas and then she set the Dino on
fire. I know, But youknow what, I think it's just personally,
I think it's more about her sonthan it is about Nigan. Yeah,
because if Nigan gets sidetracked, wastrying to find this girl that puts

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her son on the back burner.Yeah, Now, did you did you
read the article I sent you today? I did? Yeah, Okay,
so we also know now and Iwill say this, So you and I
last week we were talking about herstaring at that water tower. Yeah.
Now it turns out the water towerit's not a water tower. It's a
grain tower. Tower. Yeah.Now that's someone from the Midwest. I'm

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used to sing silos. So whatI think grain? I think silos,
not a water tower. Um.But and then you know in the article
pointed out and honestly it never evenclicked to me, but they did linger
when I thought back about it onthe sandwich the bread, if if this
guy, if the Creation had comeand taken their wiped out their grain supplies

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and was coming back for more,there is no way that they would be
making bread and then would not youknow, things would not you know.
So there's these little clues sprinkled throughoutthat episode that was showing that whatever actually
happened, it's not what Maggie said. So how much weight are you putting
into this theory? Because I onlyasked the question because we know that this

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show, all of these shows havebeen really bad about continuity here off and
on. Yeah, and that's true. But honestly, if it is that
is a grain tower, Okay,they have enough grain to make bread and
you know, and the other thingis is no one there really seemed on
high alert. Did you notice that? Yeah, they were just living their

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everyday life. They're fixing you know, they're fixing the front gate, but
no one was. They weren't preparingto defend themselves, right, you know
what I mean. You didn't reallysee anyone, you know, walking around
armed. You didn't see you know, security guards walking around. It was

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pretty relaxed, honestly. Um,even then fixing that that front gate,
Yeah, they're just kind of standingaround talking occasionally, you know, killing
a walker as they were doing theirwork. You know, it was very
well. Also, don't forget theythey feel like they have a month,
right, Yeah, so unless he'sbroken his word before, they probably feel

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secure in that he won't be backuntil he says he's back. And there
is that possibility as well. Um, but there I don't know, There's
just been these little things throughout Maggie'sstory. And I've been questioning this for
a while and we talked about itlast week. Why would this guy have
come so far from New York?Yeah? Why go so far Inland?

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Um? I mean that's a validquestion. That seems like it's pretty far
to go right again. I mean, if they were going to hit a
community, they would have hit Oceansidewell before. Um they they hit h
Hilltop, just because you know they'rethey're there. There's no good way to

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transport a lot of grain, youknow, like that. And I do
you think that the girl Jenny islike, I need to tell Nigan that
they have grain. You think that'sI don't know, I don't know.
No. I think she was probablygoing to find Nigan one way or the
other. Mum, she is connectedto him. And when we saw the

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flashbacks and stuff, we could see, you know, Niga was like,
I don't know why you're following me. You got to find you a place.
And She's just like throwing a nope, your mind, I have claimed
you and and and honestly, itsays something about Nigan's character right now that
this girl who's been through so muchtrauma would trust him. So I think
there has been kind of a fundamentalshift in his Okay, I gotta,

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I gotta say something. Okay,I gotta when you say his character Okay.
So a friend of the show,Karina, sent me an article and
I just saw it literally right beforecoming on air here, so I haven't
had a chance to really digest it. I'm kind of just reacting to it.
So the article is on insider dotcom. I'll try, I'll put

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I'll put a link in the comments. And we're talking about Neigan being a
different, kinder person. But whenhe tells the story about what happened to
his wife, right, oh yeah, I absolutely see that. So he
leaves his wife and child, heleaves them, get on get on the
train and go right to Missouristy andthen he's gonna just help Jenny and watch

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this kid and like help Maggie.And he's like he's doing the absolute most
for everybody except his family. Idon't understand. And and I so what's
obvious to me is that he likesleaving his wives. Because Kareea also mentioned

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rightfully so that he did leave hiswife with kidser he ran off, you
know, so he has like,well just but he ran off to go
get medicine. Yes, yes,but he knew she was gonna die,
like he knew. Yeah, Ididn't die. And it's like, okay,
yes, one hand, Yes heis kind to Jenny. Yes he

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is trying to help Maggie because heowes her one. But at his core,
he's still trash. He's still trash. Yeah, I mean, I
will say, and this is probablymy guess. So Nigan went and he's
like, I don't know that Imeant to kill him, but we all
know he probably did. But Ikind of wonder if there could be a

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component that when he went back tohis wife, it wasn't just the running,
because she told him not to godo that. She told him not
to and she knew what he haddone, he'd killed all of those people.
I don't think I'd be mad.I don't and I don't think any
would be mad because I don't know. I mean, because she told him

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not to make a fuss, Shetold him not to do anything, she
told not to go, And soI'm kind of wondering if there's a part
of the reason he left his hedidn't look at him the same way anymore,
you know what I mean. Well, you know, I've never ever
been in this situation where five menattacked me and did other things, because

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it was also implied she was attackedin a you know, a sexual way,
right, I can't imagine that evenif I told my husband not to
do anything, if he did it, I would hold it over him.
That is something outrageous that you wouldexpect your husband to react awfully too.

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I can't imagine she would send him, you know, be so put out
by him. He would feel likehe needs to run away, right,
although on the flip side, wecould go back to being being a bad
person and just not being able toyou're not to deal with shit. Yeah,
Like he's very immature in that way, and I feel like that immaturity

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kind of came through, like evendealing with that other guy that he killed.
You know, he asked for someof the bomb, he didn't want
to give him any He's eyeball init. I'm like, okay, yeah,
he's very immature. But at thesame time, on that one,
Megan's like, I don't want thisto be a thing. We don't have

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to go down this road. Thisis not where we have to be.
And the guy went, oh,yeah, we do. Yeah, And
so I don't think that was hisfirst course of action, was you know,
killing this guy. And and honestly, the fall back onto that post
was accidental. Yes, the killingwasn't, but you know, but but
yeah, I don't know. Ithink he's you know again, is he

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a great guy? He's not.Um, it seems like everybody and I
say that loosely, right, it'snot everybody, literally, but it seems
like people just are so old,the old Negans back. It's so fun
to watch. It's so this,it's so that, and it's like,
I don't know, seeing that article, it just really took me off.

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Yeah, it's true. It's trueabout his character, and I don't like
him still, right, And it'snot I like the character of Neigan because
you know, every show needs agood I'm not going to root for him
if he dies, I'd be like, oh no, no, no he
dies. No. It's kind oflike, you know, shows with a

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good um and he's not really aprotagonist, but who somewhere lives in the
very moral, gray ish black area. Um can add some some fun to
the show, you know. Imean, you're not fun if you're actually
living it believing. Um. Youknow, but it, um, just

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because you're a bad guy doesn't meanyou can't be a good character. And
I think Nigan's a good character.But I don't root for him either,
you know, I don't I don't. He's not. I enjoy watching him
because it's it's fun because I'm noton the receiving end of any of his

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shenanigans. And I think it addsthis interesting dynamic with him and Maggie together.
So what do you think that says, if anything, about the bigger
picture about this character or how thewriters and everyone are choosing to make these
choices for this character. Well,I think forgiveness stebs a turtle for a

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lot of people. You know,they're willing to, you know, because
he has changed. They're willing togive him the benefit of a doubt at
this point. You know, he'sdifferent now, he's not the same person
used to be. I feel likehe kind of is. I kind of

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feel like, honestly, it's aslippery slope, right, Yes, he
doesn't want to be that person.He's tried to work himself out of it.
But I feel like, if youkeep doing things, it's it's back.
You know, it doesn't take longto slide back into a persona that

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you he he seems like he likesit. He's so much at it.
I mean there, I mean,there's something fun about being the bad guy,
you know, there really is Iknow, but he does it very
well and and he did it fora very long time. He did um.

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I think he has some regrets,not enough to really feel bad about
it. He doesn't feel bad aboutit, but you know, he is
you know, Nigan is never gonnabe a great person. Uh. But
then again, there's been other notgreat people on this show, and and

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and you know they've they've done Okay, I feel like Nigan is the biggest
bad they've ever had. Ad Andwhen we were first introduced to him,
let's not forget people drop this showafter that scene. Yeah, that's true.
They said, I am over thisshit, what is this? I'm

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done? So they have pushed theenvelope really far with this character. And
I mean, and you have toadmit, everyone likes a good redemption story,
and that's what when Hegan represents toa lot of people, he is
the redemption arc. It's a fakegass redemption in my opinion. I don't

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know. I just feel like athis core, he is the same.
He's Yeah, he's put the dressingon, he's tried to make it better
on the front, but you know, honestly, everything about him has always
been window dressing. It's always beenwindow dressing. When when he played the
Big Bad with Lucille, it waswindow dressing. As he playing this person,

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now it's still window dressing. Hiscircumstances has changed, so he has
changed with them, but he's stillthe same person he always was. He's
just not you know, killing peoplewith baseball bats right now. So yeah,

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he's not doing that. But Iwonder if maybe they've led the way
for there to be maybe a reunionbetween Annie and him when they're ready for
him to leave this show or yeah, I don't know, or they're done
with it, maybe they'll reunite them. I just I feel like I don't

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want to hate that character, butI hate that character Annie no Nigan.
I hated him before and I stillhate him now. Like, yes,
last week, I thought it waspretty comical his acting and stuff. You
know, yeah, that was prettyfunny. But this week I'm sitting there
watching the screen and when what wasthe guy's name that he accidentally killed at

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first, you know, he accidentallyinjured him, then killed him, I
was like the fuck. I literallysat there like, oh my god,
you gonna run a cheese grater overhis face? And then I don't know,
I was just like, damn,here we go. Well, I
mean here, I mean that reallywas I mean because that guy had you
know he was he had said you'regone, You're out. Yeah, and

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when Degan said no, we're gonnago rescue this kid, it was game
on. I mean that was whetherMegan had hit him first or the other
guy had started it, the outcomewould have been similar. Yeah, I
think I would have been a littlebit less, like, oh my god.
I literally just said OMG, likereally really didn't hit him that with

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the with the with the greater untilafter he tried to hit him with the
with the pot Yeah. Um,that was his secondary choice because you know,
I mean that guy was twice thesize of Nigan mum, and uh
he was a big guy. Soyou know he was using because he in
a fair one on one fight.I mean, let's face it, Nigan

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couldn't have won. The guy hadthe reach on him, he had the
strength, and he had the height. M h Um. This guy was
not, you know, a tinyperson, and he was not con you
know, it's not that he wasn'tconditioned to survive, so you know,
I I see, you know,it was a foregone conclusion for the minute

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that guy walked in there and said, nope, you're done, and so
he didn't like him anyway, youknow, he didn't like him. He
didn't like him, and before hesaw the one in poster, he just
didn't like Nigan And that's fair,it's fair, right, Um. But

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everyone else had already said no,we're gonna do this, you know,
we're um, because this apparently issomething that they have been wanting to do
for a while, and Maggie andMegan have now given them the excuse to
do what they've wanted to do fora while, which is to go after
the Croatian Mum. And I don'tknow that it's a good idea. I

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mean, let's face it, youknow, this is a it's got a
hell of a setup going on inthere. This dude is freaking crazy,
Like, he does have a reallygood setup and he's very smart and he

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has no problem drugging people with fumesand throwing them in the in the in
the game for entertainment value. I'mlike, oh my god, this guy
is legit crazy. M I wascrazy, And I don't know, I
mean, the people said, youknow, hey, we haven't been We're

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not new to this. We grewup here where we've been around for him
as he's been here taken over.So I mean, I've got to think
that they understand a level of crazythat he is and how dangerous he is.
Oh yeah, Oh they know exactlyand they know that. I mean,
it is an island and he ismethodically taking over the entire territory and

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very soon there will be no onebut him and his people on that island
if someone doesn't do anything. Nowthat being said, just like to point
out the sixteen year old girl paddledover and you know what, do you
call it? A cooler? Soif these guys really wanted to they could

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just leave. They could Yeah,I really lie. There's no boats per
se. But if if all you'reif it's a one and done situation,
you just want to get off theisland, they could do it. Um,
they are choosing to stay. Andbut then again, I mean they've

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been there their entire life. Thisis what they know. So and I
either is that that need to defendyour your home turf. Yeah, they
don't want to leave, like theydon't. Yeah, but when it comes
to numbers though, they've got whata dozen people. Yeah, they were

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telling how they've lost people and yeah, so I don't exactly know their number,
but they don't have the numbers againstthem, right, I mean,
because you know the Croatian he's gothundreds, and you can you know the
number of people there in the arena, the you know, the people milling
around, Um did the operation theyhave he's got he's got the numbers.

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And you know, everyone seems fairlyhappy with their with their lot in life.
Although you know that one guy dieda sudden and abrupt death because so
let me, oh my god,I'm like, wait a minute, Um,
he was trying to make an excuse, like I feel like someone else
must have made the stake or something. It seemed like he was trying to

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give him an excuse before he didn'twant to hear it. But I'm like,
oh my god, that's so gross. It's a bugging there, it's
a worming their nasty. But Ididn't think he would pay for his life.
But he did pay for it withhis life. Oh. I knew
the minute he saw that and hestarted in the coroaching got mad. Absolutely,
I knew he was that man wasdead. Um, but yeah,

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like it's a surprise they even hadme honestly, Well, I mean there
appears to be dear yeah, andand it's very I mean they're in a
in a gigantic stadium. It's notlike they couldn't have a part of it
set up as a for a farm. M hm um. You know,
football stadiums do tend to be prettygood sized. And it's not like we

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haven't seen someone who tried to buildup a home in a stadium before anyway.
I know, yeah, this one'sa you know, it's bigger.
It's a lot bigger. Um.I'm not sure which stadium, which one
would that would be? Would thatbe for the the stadium? Is that?
Was it for baseball? Like Iwas thinking it was a team in

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New York. I don't know,I don't know. I don't do sports.
I have no idea. I justI thought they were about baseball there.
I don't know. I could bewrong. Don't give me the lion,
because I'm not about sports either.But for some reason I always thought
baseball. But that could be wrong. I mean, I know they have
baseball teams, they technically have two. Yeah, was it Red Sox and

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or White Sox and girl, Idon't know. I don't know. I
don't not want to get mad atme. I don't do sports. I
don't I don't know who any teamsare. Um, I'm guessing on any
good day. But uh but yeah, I mean so, but I mean
it looks like a good sized stadium. So yeah, in Madison and those
guys, they they built one upthat had you know, um crops and

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everything else. But this one lookedenclosed. So it'd be like an AstraDome
maybe, you know, when wherethey had the thing that comes over the
top. Yeah, so they've gotpower, so you know they can they
can open and close it. Iwould imagine they've got power because they ps
people keep dying. Yep, they'vegot power. That's right. People are

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resources, man. I was rightabout that. I remember what I told
you. They were probably making fuelfor the dead. I was right.
You were right, and makes sense, you know. But it's so gross.
I'm like, oh, and they'reall sitting there happy, go lucky
about it. That guy they justtossed them in there. Well it's part
I mean, because it was kindof interesting because they kept flipping back and

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forth between them and their celebration ofthis guy's death essentially m and over to
the meal where they were doing thathummy thing and or chanty thing and you
know with the remembrance pieces. Yeah, that was very interesting how they wove
those two together. Why that like, Okay, we've got like two polar

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opposite things going on. Really soyeah, I mean, and they are
very much showing the differences between thesetwo groups. You know, there's a
reverence on one side, and thenthere's a jubilation you know, a cult
like mania on the other. Yeah, because they are very rowdy, very

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loud, very like wrapped up.It reminded me of like a ww uh
e wrestling thing. Yeah, youknow where you know, you have the
Croatian up there on the stage talkingand getting them all fired up, and
people jumping around and and you cansee people even taking the masks you know,

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for the methane to basically get youknow high. They were having too
much fun, too much fun.Um it was entertainment. I mean,
he basically told Pearly, right,Hey, that was the best entertainment we've
had in a while. Hey,yeah, thanks, like what like,

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yeah, that was a whole thing, like drugs and throw them in there
and let them go right, well, I mean and that I mean that
goes back to like the Roman timesof the colosseum. Why do you why
why do they have these these colosseumfights and stuff like that. It was
to appease the masses, to keepthem, you know, focus and entertained,

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and draw the energy towards something thatis non threatening to the you know,
to the rulership essentially. And that'swhat he's doing. He's he's focusing
their their anger, their you know, their energy towards these fights in the
ring and everything to keep them focusedon that more than what's going on on

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the outside, because you know,one you can sit there and go at
least it's not me, you know. Yeah, when that m walker came
in to the ring, I almostdidn't recognize at first that it was the
same guy. I'm like, ohmy gosh, that was kind of cool.
How when they threw him in there, that was that was done on

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purpose because from that that whole thingfor the moment he made that guy eat
that key ikey. Yes, hewas saying he was testing him kind of
as well, although I'm not sureif it would have made it to the
stomach. I mean, is heswallowed. Well, I don't know.
I guess it would be pretty close. Well, I guess it depends on
how much time it passed. Buthonestly, would his skin okay? So

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and again this is like I don'tknow, I guess suspend you know,
disbelief or whatever. But if youjust turned within like an hour or two,
yeah, he sen that bad?Yeah, and would your skin Just
would you be able to just punchthrough someone's skin like that? Like I

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would think not? But you know, I don't know. Maybe it's me.
You've got to be more decayed andstuff to just do that. I
think. I don't know. Maybehe's filled up all of these zombies with
keys. We don't know. Yeah, it could be a whole thing.
Facts. I don't know, becauseI'm like, he looked kind of decrepit

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for somebody that just that a coupleof minutes ago or hours, even if
it's a couple hours. Yeah,I don't know that he just has a
whole horror zombies with you know,handcookies, maybe just for ships and giggles.
I guess, I don't know.Well, to see if they you
know, is a way for thesepeople to get out because you know,
again it is entertainment. He's givingthem a chance to free themselves. You

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know he can, he can.You know that that's part of the whole
illusion of it. He's theoretically givingevery person a chance to make it.
Im like, Hey, you're aboutto die, but first whallow this key.
I don't know. I mean,it's not like they couldn't shove it
in, you know, shove itdown a walker's throat. I guess you
could, at the risk of gettingbit, I don't know, a piece

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of meat and put it on astick. I guess maybe you're kind of
like feeding a dog a pill.Possibly, I don't know. Boy,
that'd be a hell of a job, wouldn't it. Hey, you can
meat on a stick to shove downthe throats of walkers, that'd be a
hell of a job. Disgusting passI know, right, I don't know.

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But if I had to do thator serve the Croatian guy his meals,
I'd probably not want to serve hismeals unless it's perfect. So I
don't know. I would have Youknow, it was me if I was
served, I would have checked everythingover before I put a plate down.
But that's just me. Mmmmmm.Considering how I mean this guy is very

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particular. Mmm. Um okay,so what did you think about? Um,
so, other than like just Niganbeing showing showing himself as being kind,
did you get anything extra out ofthe flashbacks with Jenny? You know
it, he's very reluctant to beher protector. He's you know, he's

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accepted it to a degree. Butthen again, he didn't fight handing her
over to Maggie either. And hehas been saying throughout this entire thing,
you need a place, you needpeople, not me. Well, he
can't have a place because people areafter him, right, so he can't

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be someplace like that, not really, not really except you know, and
again, I mean, Nigan couldleave, he could leave the area,
he could follow it, like hesaid he could. He could follow his
wife, you know, to Missouri. Why Missouri. But at the same
time, I don't know, It'slike, I don't know, It's like

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Nigan's invested in his own suffering atthis point. Yeah, it's weird.
I mean, so, I guessthat was kind of helpful of him to
think of a way for her tospeak to him without speaking, you know,
like go for help with the whistleor whatever. So he's being kind
of inventive when dealing with her,even though you could tell he's very frustrated
by it all, like, dude, you gotta say something. You can't

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just not be talking. And thenyou know they're looking for that fucking stuffed
animal, and he's like, ohmy god. You know, you could
tell he's very kind of put outby it, but he's gonna just do
it anyway, right, And I'mpretty sure that Whistle's gonna factor in at
some point next episode. Yes,she's gonna let him know she's there some
kind of way, because I'm sureshe's still just slinking around in the dark.

(32:29):
So they did show her watching,Maggie says her Dina on fire,
yes, which is why I washonestly surprised she didn't, like try to
come out and make her aware thatshe was there, like, hey,
don't burn my thing. I thoughtshe was gonna step out, but she
didn't know so well. She seemsto be incredibly distrustful to anybody except for

(32:52):
Negan. Negan seems to be theonly person that she trusts and the only
person she cares about. And Idon't think she trusts Maggie. No,
she just met her. She onlymet her briefly, right, and then
Maggie setting her Dinah on fire,you know, does not do anything to
make her trust her anymore. NowI'm trying to remember, because you guys

(33:15):
know, I don't remember every singlething from every week. But did did
she physically see her with that dinahin the first episode? Yes? She
did, Okay, because because shehad it, because she had it pulled
out when she was talking to whenMaggie was talking to Nigan. Okay,
because I thought she had recognized it. That's how come she used the excuse

(33:35):
with the old woman like, oh, I just know a kid that would
like something like that, right,fast thinking. But I'm like, well,
she obviously recognized it. I justdon't remember the scene where she saw
it, Okay, yep. Soshe was aware of it, and like
I said, and that's why shewas she was surprised to see it and
upset to see it. M h. So yeah, like I said,

(34:00):
I mean, it could just bethat she doesn't want anything distracting Negan from
what he's doing. But I've hadthis feeling since a very since she said
I have a you know, Ihave a play, and wasn't playing I'm
not telling you hum and things aren'taren't adding up. So yeah, something

(34:20):
did happen. I just don't thinkit's what she said it was. I
don't know that. I don't knowif she was out on an expedition,
you know, an exploratory thing andand they took herschel, or if it
was something else. But I don'tthink it's a story that she's telling Negan.

(34:43):
Yeah, now I am really curiousabout that, you know, if
that's if she if that's a straightup lie and that is not what got
herschel taken and what did you knowand make it make sense? And well,
I don't I don't know. AndI'm thinking that, I mean,
she did say she told him togo into the cellar, you know,

(35:05):
and and to hide m et cetera, et cetera. But I don't know.
I'm almost thinking I think something elsewent down. I just don't know
what it is I have I mean, I literally have no idea. It
wasn't that this happened outside of Hilltop. And she even when she was talking
about you know, she hasn't beenclose to a lot of people, um

(35:30):
and and and she referenced, youknow, isolating Hilltop. That was probably
not the best idea. She probablyshouldn't have um, And so you know,
there are some regrets going on withwith whatever's going on. But I'm
just curious. I mean, Idon't know if maybe I'm wondering if maybe

(35:52):
she tried to trade with them andthings went badly. Maybe. I don't
know, um, because I knowwe got like one little scene with Herschel
and him the Crow Act. Butm hmm, maybe you would think that
if he was so important, right, we'd have more scenes with him.
I don't write. Yeah, we'vehad more scenes with with Jenny. Yeah,

(36:16):
m hmmm, because I did thinkabout that. I'm like, we
haven't really seen him, but thatthat that one time? So far have
we seen him more than once?No, just the one time? Hmmm?
Yes, well, I mean technicallyit was two, but it was
you know, it was there weremore or less, you know. So
it was a scene with him inthe Croatian and then someone else and then

(36:39):
this and and then another scene.Yeah, not the flashback. I'm talking
about like present day only, right, that's night and two. Okay,
So they they had him, youknow, with the first meeting with with
the Croatian and then there was asecond one where he's like, oh,
you think you know you're gonna survivethis, um or you think you're you're
strong whatever. Yeah, yeah,and and you can see the bad things

(37:04):
were about to happen, and thenthey were. He was called off m
So, I mean, if ifhe took herschel As as a hostage,
then it would behoove him to keephim alive. Um, if he wasn't
for information. I mean, honestly, why take a kid? Kids and

(37:30):
no stuff? Well yeah, Imean they do know stuff, but you
know, they can break easier thanan it don't. Yeah, but in
general, most kids don't know theins and outs of, you know,
how a lot of things are done. They just don't pay attention. Um,
I mean general overview. Yeah,but I don't know, I just

(37:52):
I don't. A lot of thisis just it just doesn't make any sense.
Why he was taken, why theCroatian was so far away from Manhattan,
why he went to Hilltop all,none of it really makes any sense
at this point. And that's whyI'm saying I'm pretty sure Maggie is lying
because something happened. I just don'tthink it's what she's saying happened. They

(38:19):
just need to make it make sense, that's all. Because now that the
Croatian guy, the Croat knows thatNigan is here, right, because we
know that Percy told him, Hey, I'm here for this guy Nigan,
He's like, who would make youcome this way? All this? You
know, He's like, oh,Nigan, this guy named Nigan. So
now that he knows he's there,I feel like that's gonna be the focus

(38:40):
of him trying to get capture orkill or payback Nigan. He might not
even realize that Maggie is with himimmediately. He's so focused on Nigan.
And we don't even know if heknows who Maggie is, because we don't
know if he left before or afterUm the Saviors met Alexandria's Alexandrian's we don't

(39:07):
know. Side note, do weknow what that that's the name of their
community or no? Did we geta new name or is this still um
Hilltop? And then it's still Hilltop? Okay, so they just moved They
didn't change the name, yep,because she still she because she referred to
it as Hilltop. Okay, movingHilltop away from the others because That's what

(39:30):
prompted uh Neigan to say, yeah, we you know, we we kind
of moved, you know, wehad this little farm is away from everyone.
M So yeah, it's and andagain Maggie took her people and she
isolated them, and I think thatwas a bad move on her part.
You know, Maggie, I feellike, and I've said this before,

(39:52):
she's not the best strategic thinker,like she's not the best long term,
big pitch her thinker. I thinkshe is more reactive than like proactive about
how to do stuff. Like she'slike, oh, we've been people are
trying to get to us. Let'sreact and shut it down. No new

(40:13):
people, no new friends. Youknow, She's, like I said,
very reactive, and that kind ofputs them in a negative, a bad
space. They're not prepared, Imean, and obviously they all know about
the other communities, you know,the Commonwealth and Ocean side and because they've
been mentioned. Yeah, but atthe same time, she is instead of

(40:39):
staying within their sphere of you know, mutual mutual alliance, you know,
she has chosen to stand alone,which I think is a was a mistake
on her part. Well, youknow, she doesn't like the choices the
other groups are making. Really well, She's she really is kind of one

(41:01):
of those people that either I'm incharge or I'm not gonna I'm not gonna
play mm hmmm. And and shehas been like that for a while now.
And I even know that, youknow, she was very reluctant even
to come back to Alexandria, youknow, after she had lost another community,
and you know, she has drugherschel around from place to place to

(41:22):
place to place, um his wholelife and from group to group out of
this unresolved anger that she has hadsince Glenn died. She even now,
I mean, she's never come toterms with it. She's she's never um

(41:45):
and you can see that it colorseverything she does, and it's I think
it's part of the reason why she'sisolated herself from from Hilltop, because she
never wants to have her authority questioned. And to be honest, like,
I totally one hundred percent understand notforgetting and not forgiving, but how could

(42:09):
you let something and I mean,it's been a long time, how are
you still you know, in thesame headspace about it. It seems weird
that you haven't, like Maggie hasn'tgotten a little further, you know what
I mean, It's like she's reactinglike it was yesterday still, And I

(42:32):
know that it was traumatic. Don'tget that was traumatic, and I'm not
and I'm not discounting that. Andhonestly, I think the only reason Maggie
is still around is because of Herschel. Yeah, I am pretty sure that
Maggie would have blindly gone off intoa rage and just put Nig into shame

(42:59):
when it comes to to to bodycount kills um if it wasn't for the
fact that she was pregnant and shehad Herschel. See, because of Herschel's
almost why I expect it like herto be different and to have seemed like
seems like she is in a growingplace or a better place, because she'd
want to be better for her Schel, right, she doesn't want to be

(43:21):
broken for her son. Right.But you know you can even the tension
between the two, you know youneed you know you this is the third
time this month that you've missed handto hand combat. Hum And I mean,
and I know why she's pushing thatso hard. It's it's fear.

(43:42):
She never wants anything to happen.She never wants anything that she never wants
it the possibility of what happened toGlenn to happen to herschel And yet here
we are, here, we areYeah, like her kid's gone, your
kids done. But she but youknow, in her in her attempt to
keep him safe, she has madea lot of stupid choices. Um.

(44:04):
And again it's it's the reactive thing. But you know, she doesn't she
doesn't make good decisions. People followher because she people like a confident person,
and she does project confidence. Andshe is a survivor, you know,
she has you know, and andthere's even a a mild mystique about

(44:25):
her. You know, she's thewidow. Um. You know, there
are stories about Maggie. So sheis, you know, passing into the
realm of legend at this point,whether she's aware of it or not.
Um. And so people will followher. But and it's not that she's
a terrible leader, she's not.But all of her she is, all

(44:51):
of her decisions are based on thesame thing that she has going on inside,
and that's to be closed off andto be on guard and to isolate
and and she's done that to herselfand she's done that to her people,
and could I just say so RJ. I was thinking about r J just
now. But Herschel does seem likea strong kid. But I expected Herschel

(45:16):
to feel more like Judith than not, and he feels like he seems like
he's the opposite. So instead,like Judith embraced it, and she wants
to know the thing. She wantsto be like her mom and kick ass
and take names, you know whatI'm saying. And Herschel's like, I
don't want to go to my class. I don't want I'm like, oh

(45:37):
my god, Well and what happened? Like you failed? You know?
Well if you if you remember lastseason, things between her and Herschel were
strained um and it really insensed herthat he also you know, took to

(45:59):
Nigan. Oh that upset her.God, that upset her. And I
get it. You know, ifsome someone had killed my you know,
my husband, you know that Iactually cared about um in front of me
and then befriended by my child,I would be incensed. I get it.
But you know, I mean,the thing of it is is Herschel

(46:22):
pretty much knew who Nigan was andhe didn't care um. It's because of
her, It's because she has notbeen able to I don't know, just
like not get over it, butlike go past it, moved past it.
You know, she a different kindof mom. Yeah, I think

(46:44):
you know she's she has focused allof her energy on keeping him alive,
but none of it on embracing herself. I mean she's because it's it's not
her. I don't want to sayshe's cold when it comes to Herschel,
but there is I have never seen. I have not seen a moment between

(47:05):
the two of them were that itwas a a tender moment. No,
And you know what, I'm gladyou said that, because now I am
wondering, is that by design thatthe writers and the directors are not showing
that? Or is it the actress? What is it? I feel like
every time I see her with Herschel, there's like deadpan, Like it's not

(47:30):
that loving, familial mom's son thingthat I expect to see. You know,
when he was younger, right,and what you see is a duty
and obligation to keep him alive becauseof what happened to Glenn. You're not
seeing Maybe that's this problem. Iknow you don't love me well, I

(47:54):
mean, because you know, Imean herschel is wrapped up in a lot
of trauma. You know, theyou know the fact that you know,
the reason that they were out onthe road was because you know, she
was in pre term labor and theywere trying to get her to was it
Alexandria or to Hilltop? I can'tremember where the doctor was at that time,

(48:14):
but they were trying to go fromone community to the other. Um.
If it hadn't, if she hadn't, if this hadn't happened, they
wouldn't have been on the road,which means they wouldn't have been picked up
by Nigan. Um, you know. And you know, and and even
after uh, you know, Glenndied and they were more or less kind

(48:34):
of out of it, she hadto go into hiding. They had to
hide her from from Nigan because hebecame somewhat obsessed with with finding her the
widow. Where's the widow? Um? So everything about her pregnancy and birth
and afterwards, you know, thehiding, the trauma. UM, that's
all wrapped up into herschel. Andand while she feels this, you know,

(48:58):
passionate need to keep him alive becausethis is her last remaining link to
Glenn. Mum, I don't Ithink she is so concerned and she is
so focused and she is so brokenbecause of what happened. Um, I
don't think she can actually give himthe love he needs. You know,

(49:21):
she will keep him alive, Shewill give him the training to stay alive.
She will, um, you know, she will make sure that he
is well, that he has fed, that he is that he is taken
care of. That's the problem withtheir relationship. That is exactly the problem,
and that is exactly why he's actingout toward her. That is it.

(49:43):
That is I think it's as simpleor as complicated, is that,
you know what I mean? Likenot necessarily that he's trying to be up
brad about it. He just knowshis mother doesn't really care about him like
that, like in the way thathe probably wants right m well as a
child and created a com commented youknow, like a Sarah Connor and terminator.

(50:05):
Yeah, exactly, like that.She has a mission to keep this
child alive, and that mission overshadowslove, compassion, you know, intimacy,
you know, I mean with achild. I mean, I don't
mean that in a weird way,but you have a it's not just about

(50:28):
keeping them alive. It's about developingtheir personality or helping them develop their personality
and helping them to thrive and toexplore their personality, you know, who
they're going to become kind of thing. And I think that's the biggest difference
between like um Herschel and Judith,as Judith was raised in this very loving
environment where people took care of herand showered her with love and let her

(50:51):
know that she was no matter whatshe was loved. I mean how Michelm
left and she still knew her motheror cared about her, right, you
know. And even in Michelle Leavingssaid, I you know, I'm doing
this because I want to bring yourfather back, you know, And and
there was and Judus went go,you know, she she agreed that this

(51:12):
is needed to be done. Umeven though I don't really think she remembers
Rick, not really not like that. No, And I mean, of
course, now she's got her littlebrother RJ. And he even he seems
like even know, he didn't havethat many speaking words right last time we
saw him. But these kids arejust very different from her should and I
think HER's going to grow up tobe not what we think right. Well,

(51:37):
and if you think about it too, I don't think she so like
when it comes comes to Judith.You know, people talk about rick you
know, he was someone's best friend. He was you know, their leader,
he was someone they admired, theywere you know, but you know,
he was a man that they theypresented to her. They she even

(51:57):
even though her and RJ really don'tremember you are Jay never met his dad
and she doesn't really remember Hi becauseshe would have been small, you know
what, four three not very old. Um, Rickie is a legend.
He's like a myth, a legend. Now everyone is talking about him,
and no one knows Glenn right,the myth, the man, the legend.
Yeah. Um, but Maggie activelydiscourages people from talking about Glenn.

(52:22):
And how who's around in her groupthat knew him? Well, there are
a few, but she keeps himaway from those people, you know,
I mean there are people that youknow, Darryl knew him, Carol knew
him. Yeah, but she's notwith any of those people that could talk
about Glenn, and she has pushedall of them away, all of them.

(52:44):
I think Nigan has talked more aboutGlenn to to her should than she
has. Yeah, and that's prettyterrible because really all he has is black
killed him. Um, you know, so your dad, Sorry kid,
sorry kid, Oh, I'm notsorry. I had to do it right.
But you know she so Judith grewup with this, you know,

(53:07):
at least this figure that and andsurrounded with people that loved her. And
you know, we're dedicated to notjust her survival, but her happiness.
And the only thing that Maggie seemsto be concerned with Herschel, Herschel is
his survival. Um. I meanwhen we first met, I mean,

(53:29):
he was a quiet kid. Hehe looked traumatized and I and from everything
I you know, when they wereshe was backtracking and she was talking about,
you know, looking for when shewas taking them to that other community
last season and they were finding therea little like you know, uh depots
where they had stuff, and that'snot the place that was burned down.

(53:51):
Well, you know, the Herscheland I were here, we we got
trapped and it burned down. AndI mean everything she ever talks about with
him, it's basically her dragging himfrom one trauma to another. Poor kid,
and she could have gone back toAlexandria at any point in time,
and for years it was safe inAlexandria. Year she had that axe to

(54:15):
grind with them, like they leftNaga alive. That's the biggest problem she
had and she's not She never wasgonna get over that. So she couldn't
be with them as long as Nagawas around. Right, But at the
same time, she could have chosento stay with the Hillshop group, she
could have chosen to stay with theKingdom and instead, because she could not

(54:42):
let you know, she cannot letthis trauma go. She cannot. She
won't cope with it, she won'tdeal with it, she won't process it.
She has just drugged this poor kidfrom one terrible place in situation to
another. And while they are relativelysafe now at Hilltop, she's still isolating

(55:05):
them, which puts them in moredanger. Instead of staying close to either
Alexandria or the Commonwealth or ocean side, they have chosen to stay apart because
of her. So I'm halfway thinkingthat I'm expecting Herschel to act a fool
when Maggie burst in to try tosave him. When Maggie burst in or

(55:29):
Nigan burst in whoever finds him first, he's gonna act a fool. I'm
not sure he's just gonna get upand leave. I feel like it's gonna
be some drama. I haven't feelingif it was Nigan coming in to save
him. I think he's gonna bea little more you know, amendable to
it. And I don't think Idon't think he's gonna fight his mom about

(55:51):
getting out of there because he wantsout. Yeah, but I have a
feeling that whenever actually happened, we'regonna find out when Maggie and herschel get
together. Oh my gosh, he'sgonna like talk shit to her or say
it's your fault or whatever. He'sgonna like have one of those little teenage
angsty moments probably, And that's whatwe're probably gonna find out what actually happened,

(56:14):
is when two of them come togetherI threw a flashback or whatever.
We'll actually, you know, we'llfind out the actual story. Um,
because it's not like this kid wantsto stay where he's at. He's not
being trained well there now, hedoesn't want to stay there, but he
got problems with his mother clearly.Oh yeah, And like I said,

(56:35):
it's it really just comes down toshe's invested all of her efforts into keeping
him alive because of Glenn, notguse of him. Yeah, not not
for Herschel's sake, but for Glenn'ssake. UM. And I mean,
you know it, considering the amountof trauma she's been in. I mean,

(56:58):
women do have have been known tojust not be able to cope with
the child that they have because oftrauma. UM. I would imagine she
probably had some fairly severe post youknow, postpartum depression that of course there
was no one there to treat.Girl. It's so funny, like funny
but not funny, that how Maggieand Nigan are like stuck together in this

(57:22):
situation and they're they're both like reallyreally damaged characters, Like yeah, although
neither one of them are like inany shape to be doing what they're doing.
Really, I mean, it's theonly thing that I mean, the
one thing that Maggie and Negan havein common is they are both the consummate

(57:45):
survivors and both of them will needwill do what needs to be done to
to save who they have chosen tosave. Um And Maggie has shown you
know when they took over that lastwhen they took over the um from the
army people. She didn't have tokill shoot that one guy in the back,

(58:06):
but she did. Yeah, shehas transformed into a person that does
what she thinks she needs to do. And that's it. So it's almost
like the same philosophy that Nigan hadwithout the bombastic attitude, exactly without the
flare. Right, it's Nagan lightshe I mean because there really, I

(58:30):
mean she she has done some terrible, terrible things. Um, the biggest
difference right now between the two ofthem is not not their degree of badness,
honestly, it's Nigan embraced it andyou know, very vivaciously, you
know, showed it to the world. Um where Maggie does, you know,

(58:54):
is so enclosed in on herself.She does these things, but um
they're done almost in dead silence.Yeah. Well yeah, and she thinks
she has to and she thinks Niganwants to. That's the difference. Like
she thinks she does what she hasto do and Nigan is just has no
moral at all and he's just doingwhat the fuck ever he wants. That's

(59:15):
how she thinks of him, Right, And you know. I mean,
but again, she does things andshe justifies it, but in a lot
of times she it's not necessary.It is unnecessary violence. Um, she
doesn't because Maggie always gets even Maggie'sall about the vengeance, She's all about

(59:37):
the retribution. Um. And sheis. She has become a very much
eye for an eye kind of person. And Nigan is too. I mean,
everything that Nigan ever did came downto an eye for an eye.
Um. I mean even with hiswife. He's doing that. Yeah,
and that's fair and that I meanI feel like sometimes that happens, you

(59:58):
know, but don't know, notfor everything. You can't do it for
everything. But that's you know,but that's how that's how Maggie operates.
She, like I said, thebiggest difference between her and Nigan is you
know, he does it with flairand she doesn't. And I would be
okay with that for Maggie if shedidn't have a kid. But she's got

(01:00:21):
this kid relying on her and shecan't be both things, you know,
and she's not. And that's thereason why her and m Herschel have so
many problems with each other. Andyou can see that she kind of wants
to have that closeness. She justhas no idea how to do it.
No, she's like a deer inheadlights, Like she's trying to connect to

(01:00:45):
him. You know, she's lookingat his little painting or picture or whatever
drying, and he's like, getthe hell out of here. I'm believing
she doesn't even want to hear it, like she's try because her attempt is
like so hollow, and he knowsit. She doesn't even know what to
do or what to say. Youknow, she feels this connection to him,

(01:01:06):
but again, it always that connectionalways goes back to Glenn. It's
not to Herschel personally, and youknow, as a kid, I'm sure
he feels that. I'm sure heabsolutely feels that it's our smart of course
he does, you know, andyou know, and he knows that their
life was harder than it really hadto be because Maggie can't cope. Yeah,

(01:01:30):
he knows that too. And theolder he gets, the more blaring
it is. I feel like so. And I mean even because he can
see how Judith was being treated bythose around her and then how he was
being treated, and I mean therewas a world, literally a world of
difference, between how he was beingraised and how Judith is being raised.

(01:01:55):
You know. So, yeah,it's a there's there's a lot of trauma.
There's more than enough trauma to goaround. I know. The funny
thing I think would be like ifsomehow Jenny was able to get in there
and help him, Like, canyou believe that? That would be kind
of funny? Oh yeah, Imean I could. I mean, I

(01:02:19):
have no idea what kind of roleJenny's gonna have in this, but I
know she's gonna she's gonna arrive onthe scene at some point next week,
and it's not gonna be pretty.I don't know, no, because he's
gonna be like, wtf are youdoing here? You know. Now,
unless she decides to speak, she'snever gonna be able to relate any of
the information that she has. No, she burned my you know, she

(01:02:40):
burned my dido. You know theyhave wheat. She's gonna be given her
the evil live, that's what.But she was giving her the evil I
before she ever, you know,before they ever left. Yeah. True,
she's gonna be really going in harderthan that. I don't know.
Maybe, you know, Nigan isaware, he know he could tell I

(01:03:02):
think he can tell something's gonna comeout. I bet she'll talk something's gonna
happen. She can't get something's gonnahappen. Yeah, it's really hard to
say. But I mean, thisis a girl that has been dedicated to
saying nothing. I know that's stubbornright there. I'm not saying a word.
So it's I don't know that shewill say something or not. I

(01:03:27):
mean, she is going to makean appearance, and obviously she's gonna meet
you know, there's gonna be somethingwhen she shows up in Nigan Caesar.
Yeah. Um, it's gonna bea whole thing. Oh it is.
I look forward to saying what itis. Hopefully I can get through one
episode without like wanting to rage onthe podcast. Let's see if I could

(01:03:50):
do that so well. I mean, you know, honestly, I mean
most of what we've talked about it'snot you know, these aren't technical errors.
It's you know, we're wondering whatthe characters are going to do,
which is nuts because it's it's notpicking apart and going, oh my god,
why do they do this? Yeah, it's I much rather think about

(01:04:12):
character motivation and why the writers aremaking choices than to critique the dumb shit
that we had to last you know, last couple of things that we reviewed
exactly, you know. So Imean I've really you know, I'm I've
enjoyed I enjoyed last you know,this past episode. I think it was
good. Um, and and I'mreally excited to see next week's. I

(01:04:38):
mean, I've I've really enjoyed thisthis entire season so far. Yeah,
I'm still I still think it's good. I don't think I'm liking it as
much as you. I am,like enjoying it, but I'm still having
that like attention problem when I firststart these episodes. So I think,
honestly, it's because you hate Nigan, you think, so I really do.

(01:05:00):
I don't hate Nigan. I heis a character I love to hate.
Okay, Um, I don't hatehim, but you hate Nigan.
I do. And and and halfthe show is Neigan. So I can
see where that reluctance, you know, um, like, what is this
am Afri going to do this week? What? Now? Exactly? Like

(01:05:24):
I said, I love to hateNigan. I love when Nigan's a bag.
I love to hate him, youknow. And and I'm enjoying this,
this other side of him, whichhonestly was always there, because like
I said, Nigan's hasn't changed.He's he's the same person. Um,
he just he puts on a newpersona as circumstances change. Yeah. Um,

(01:05:45):
so I don't think that he hashad a come to Jesus moment so
much as this is my reality andyou know, and he's doing the best
he can with it because again he'salways he's always had a soft spot for
kids. Um, he's always beenkind to them. Like what's going on
with Herschel in the Croatian never wouldhave happened between Nigan and in her in

(01:06:08):
Herschel in that situation. Um,you know Carl was you know, he
was good to Judith. Um.You know. So he's he's got this
you know, so that's always beenkind of part part of part of his
core personality. Um. So yeah, he's he's changed, but he's he's

(01:06:30):
not a different person. Yeah,yeah, definitely. Okay, I think
we're done with this episode. Ithink we beat that horse to death.
What do you think? Yeah,you know, I I said, I'm
looking. Oh I did want tomention one thing, Um, did you
have you seen the trailer for DarylDixon. I did see the trailer.

(01:06:51):
Yes, what do you think?That's fine? Okay, I'm it's fine.
Oh, we've already established he doesn'tknow how he got there, so
we know that he was out lookingfor something because he said found more than

(01:07:14):
I bargained for. But you don'tknow how he got there, of course,
which kind of guess that's what itwould be. I feel like we
kind of said, he's not gonnaThey're gonna just drop his ass there and
he's not gonna know anything. Yeah. Now, I did hear a rumor
that Morgan's gonna show up in uhum the Machen. Uh Yeah. Now

(01:07:45):
that doesn't surprise me. I washoping for it, Like yeah, as
soon as they you know, lethim leave the show after halfway through the
season, I'm like, oh,definitely he's got to go there. He's
got to come in contact. Ifif he's not in that whole season,
at least part of the season,a couple of episodes, you know.
So I was watching a thing andthere's some rumors that, um that Morgan

(01:08:09):
will be showing up in that show. I hope so I want them to.
That would be too like closing upthe circle right exactly. Um,
I think you know there's because westarted with with breaking in Morgan. That's
where the show started. Yeah,so you know, for for to come

(01:08:30):
full circle with the two of them, I think would be a good,
satisfying close circle ending. I thinkso too. I would love it.
I hope it's true, but I'velearned before and not to get my hopes
up. Oh yeah, absolutely.I just like I said, I thought
i'd share that rumor that I heard, and I'm like, well, I
mean, and there's there's merit toit. Mm hmmm. So no spottings

(01:08:56):
of of of Morgan there, likewe have Earl with Darryl right right.
Oh, and speaking of fear,like they've been talking about the guy and
the trailer is that guy Troy frombefore? People are saying, look at
the back of the head, thatlooks like Troy. That was like the
character from that season that she were, you know, she supposedly died,

(01:09:20):
she tried to kill him or whatever. And I need to go back and
rewatch it. If I can findit somewhere that I don't have to pay
extra to see it, I mightgo back and try to rewatch because that's
been so long, but I neverI didn't watch those seasons, so I
I know you didn't. But sothis person has no spark for me,

(01:09:41):
you know, if it's an Honestly, he was just like this bad guy
for a couple of episodes. Hewasn't even like a main character, So
I'm like, why is everybody?I don't know. It might not even
be him, but she is gettingreally upset with whoever that is, so
maybe it is. I don't know. Um, I don't Honestly, I
feel lukewarm about it being him because, like I said, he's not like

(01:10:04):
he was a major character in myopinion. So whichever way, carrying around
a vendetta for this long yeah,yeah, I don't know. So I'm
curious to see who it actually is. But I keep seeing that pop up
over and over again, so I'mlike, maybe maybe I'll find a synopsis

(01:10:25):
someplace about this dude. Yeah,I was a touple episodes, so,
I mean, looking at their hands, I assumed it was a woman.
You know, it could have been. I don't know his family was that
whole ranch arc? Yeah, Kreina, I don't even remember the whole ranch
arc. Like I said, Igotta go back and try to sort it

(01:10:49):
out. Like I don't even rememberhim like that. So I'm sure I
don't even know how long the rancharc was. I don't know. I
don't know anything about it. UmMy hatred for Madison kept me from watching
all those episodes. Yeah, Um, so I don't know. I might.
I might go back if someone,if somehow, some way they can

(01:11:10):
definitively say yes, that is absolutelyhim, then I will go back and
watch it, and um, justwatch those episodes and so then I will
feel like I know what the hell'sgoing on and what you know, what
the grinding is exactly. But um, other than that, I'm not gonna
if they can't. If someone can'tshow me some photos with the man's face

(01:11:32):
and prove that it is him,I probably won't go back and watch them.
But if I here it is andI'll watch them. Like I said,
with the with the blonde way,with the blonde hair and the hands,
I mean, I assume that itwas a woman. I was trying
to figure out what female, andI could be wrong, but those look
very very much like feminine hands,not not masculine ones. Yeah, it

(01:11:55):
could be a woman, and itcould be a woman with him, or
it could be a woman and hecould still be there. I mean they
both could be two different things orthe same thing. I don't know.
Yeah, so I guess we'll justhave to wait and find Yeah, we'll
have to see, because we'll seeanyway, anything else you hear? No,
I think that's it. You know, everyone, have a good Fourth

(01:12:17):
of July tomorrow. Yeah, havea good one. Enjoy some food,
some wine, or cottail or sleep, whatever you want to do on that
day. Barbecue, barbecue. Ifyou gotta work, sorry, you know,
hopefully you're getting double time or something. And my boyfriend has to work.
It's really sad. Oh okay,y'all, so we're gonna call it

(01:12:40):
there. Thanks so much for listeningto the episode. We appreciate you for
being here, and of course,don't forget to like and subscribe before you
go, and we'll talk to younext week. Take care of yourselves.
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