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right, Lisa, absolutely tamber.This is a conversation, not a dissertation.
Yeah, still scene by scene breakdownshere we jump around a lot.
Huge spoiler alert for everything in theuniverse beyond not passed to the yesterday's episode.
Right, I can't talk, Soif you're cool with that, this
is the place for you. Sowe should just jump right on in.

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We are talking about episode five.Yes, are you happy with episode five?
You know? I am um II am still gonna say that.
They are definitely working towards making Nigana more sympathetic figure and not so much

(02:19):
Maggie. But we did find outwhy she was like, no, it's
gotta be Nigan. It's gotta beNigan, and you and I kind of
talked about this before. He heis the offering is so m It wasn't
that they took her the grain storesor anything else. They did attack the
place, but for one reason toget herschel Yeah, because they now you

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know, see the thing is,I think they're trying to make Maggie the
villain here and like swap, likewe talked about before, a swap with
Nigan. And I do feel tosome extent that if Maggie had approached him
and said, hey, this iswhat's happening, will you help me?
He might have said yes. Ithink he would have said yes, yes.

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But on the flip side, howwe know these characters in and out,
especially Maggie, We know her plight. She technically doesn't owe him anything
and she doesn't trust him. Stilltrue. Yeah, although I think this
episode, and you can tell mewhat you think, Lisa, but I
think in this episode, when shewas dealing with the people in the sewers

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and especially talking to that guy,I think maybe she's starting to crack the
door to understanding, you know whatI mean, maybe not be so hard
ass about everything, you know,like when she figured out, you know
that he was the reason why theywere compromised, and she was just like,

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no, he's a narc, he'sa he's a rat. M he
turned on you guys, and thenyou know, he's like, no,
I was promised this place and andironically it was horror place. Yeah,
you know, and I guess it'snot called Hilltops now it's called the Bricks,
the Bricks, which also I rememberkind of we talked about this before,

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you know, I'm like, whatare they called? Is it still
Hilltop? We have this whole conversation. Yeah, finally they give us a
name in episode five. Yeah,well because when because Maggie did tell Megan
early, you know, in thatfirst episode she'd take her, she'd take
Jenny to Hilltop. So I'm like, okay, I mean, is technically

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any place it has a hilltop couldbe called Hilltop? It doesn't really matter,
you know. But no, Iguess it's not called the Bricks.
Yeah, I guess because all thebuildings are made of brick. Yeah.
And the guy when he was talkingsaid, no, there's this place and
everything. You know, they've gotreal kitchens and everything's made of brick and
it's all safe and you know,and Maggie's listening to him, and she's

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like, that's my home. Yeah, you get the look on her face.
She's like, oh okay. Youknow, so the crowd was was
basically offered, you know, asthe prize was offering him the chance to
take him to his girlfriend to thisto her home mum, which obviously means

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he has seen it, yep.And but yeah, so I mean they
came in and again it wasn't forfood, it wasn't for anything else.
He him and that woman who isjust weird by the way, Um,
Amaya you think Amaya is weird?No, no, no, no,

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the croat. Oh oh what washer name? The she had a name
too, it was what was hername? Like the theater lady? Yeah.
Um, if you're asking, ifyou want me to remember names,
you are, oh the dama there, it is that the dama. Um.
Yeah, she's weird and everything forher is you know, what is

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it, life as life as aplay. Yeah, yeah, she's really
taken that to heart. See thatmakes me wonder she was like a theater
director or theater feature or actress orsomething in her previous life. And oh
yeah, she is definitely you knowsomewhere in the theater all the world is
a stage. Well, no,it is for her, So can I

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just say you're you're mentioning how weirdshe is and she is. But the
scene where the crow act came upto the door and this woman was leaving
that room and she like snaps athim to move either the way b word,
I'm like, oh my god,I'm like, look at him.
He goes my lady to her,so he like he is not It's clear

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he is not top dog. Wekind of have that inclination. But I'm
like, damn, that woman justtalked to him like she ain't shit.
Well it's one of those things wherehe may have been top dog there at
the stadium, right, but ina hierarchy, apparently he is. I
mean, he's not low man onthe totem pole, but he is not

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near the top. Which also feedsback to like what we were theorizing before,
because remember we were talking about,well, why would they blow up
that place? Right, We're like, well, maybe that's not the place.
Maybe that's just a place you knowthat was essentially for them a factory.
Yeah, still doesn't make any sensethat they blew it up. Honestly,

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if you really want to know thetruth, because you know, I
mean, you know, that's whythey were making their fuel. Sure,
but I suppose if they have otherlocations where they can do that, you
know, it's fine. And likeI said, this woman is obviously not
all there in the head because shewas like, you know, the big

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finale means nothing if we don't getour starved. Oh my gosh. So
I mean, this whole thing,as far as she's concerned, was just
a action movie. Yeah, itseems like, um, honestly, quite
frankly, that they just want Niganto be the front for their situation.

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Is that. Yeah, Well,I'm not really sure. I mean,
because the whole point and now,and this is a thing that really surprises
me. So they have kidnapped Herschelto lure him there, you know,
to get Maggie to lure him there, and it never once occurred to him
that the reason he was there wasfor the kid. Hmm. You know

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what I mean? Yeah, Ithink I do, because he's like,
oh, I know what you want, and he brought out the Marshal.
He's like, I don't want thatfreaking Marshal. That's not what I'm here
for. I'm here for the kid, you know. Yeah, exactly.
Um, you know, so,and yeah, that doesn't really match.
Maybe he was just I don't know, me that's weird. Maybe he thought

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it was a coincidence at first.Yeah, I mean, the only thing
I can think of is that itnever occurred to the crow At that Maggie
would tell him that he had kidnappedit, you know, herschel, that
he would keep that part of it, you know, that he'd lure there
him there another way, so youknow, but he's been expecting him for

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a while now. Yeah, definitely. So how much time has passed?
So here we go with the timeagain, I can't even help it.
Here we go, but how muchtime has passed from the time that the
crow At took herschel to the timethat she got Nigan to go? Like?
Was it immediate? Was it like? Because I'm trying to figure out

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how long he's had her kid I'mI mean, I'm gonna go with probably
a month would be my guy.Um. And the reason for that is,
I mean, it's not like travelis fast, and she didn't know
exactly where he was right, soshe would have to track him down.

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Um from the scenes that we saw, you know in her you know,
drug addled mind, it would appearthat they he was there at Hilltop or
the Bricks um, which would havethen also explain the you know, the
construction they were doing there at theum at the entrance, but otherwise the

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place is relatively unscathed and um sofigure from the time that she left the
Bricks found Negan, well, actuallyshe left the Bricks, she went to
Manhattan and scoped it out, wentand found Negan, and then they went

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back. Well that they had togo to Bricks to drop off the child,
and then you know, there's awhole bunch of back and forth going
on here. And I don't knowhow far away the Bricks is from Manhattan,
right, I'm not even sure whereshe's what state she's in at this
point. I assume that she ismoderately close to Alexandria and stuff, because

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when they took Jenny to the classroom, they you know, they mentioned Oceanside
and the kids were familiar with that, So, I mean, they can't
I don't think they could be thatfar from you know, where they had
been located. But I mean it'sI mean, it's a it's a decent

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trek in good conditions, you know, from like Virginia or the Virginia area
to to Manhattan anyway, right right. I mean it's not like a super
long trip or anything, don't getme wrong, but you know, assume
that they're not driving. Well,yeah, they were driving, weren't they,
but you know, not decent roadsand zombies and everything else. I

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don't know, but yeah, withall the back and forth travel time,
and it's been about a week sincethey landed, I would say from because
they were there that first night orthey got there that first day. Then
there was a couple of nights andthey met the people that there was a
couple of nights and then so probablyabout a week. Okay, So I'm

(12:33):
gonna go with three three weeks toa month. Okay, that sounds more
reasonable to me, Okay, becauseyeah, I was just trying to figure
out because I'm like, you know, all the things that they're doing,
and then you know, it seemedlike it was urgent and I feel like
we're not going to get resolution inthe finale. Do you think that they're

(12:58):
going to get herschel in the finale? You know, I mean, I
don't know if it's a one anddone, I'm gonna go with somehow they're
gonna make it work. Maybe,I don't know. And we still haven't
seen Herschel since what the first episode? Yeah, since the flashbacks? Oh
yeah, and the one time hewas the flashback he was in and then
of course when they first had himor whatever, you know, when he

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was being interrogating more sort of hAnd I'm gonna assume right now he is
probably somewhere there in that theater.Yeah, he's probably there, I agree,
because he you know, they triedto search the other place and obviously
he wasn't there, right, So, and I do believe in the In

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the previews for next week, Idid see Herschel, Okay, so I'm
gonna say that he is at leastgonna make an appearance. Yeah, um,
because I also saw I did seeit. Now, I don't remember
all of the preview, but Isee that, you know, Maggie had
reunited with Nigan. So I can'thelp but wonder if he She's gonna tell

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Nigan the truth before they go afterhim, because she knows the truth is
out. Yeah. Well, Imean, and you know Jenny wrote there
on the on the wall, liar, yes, and she knows Jenny is
out there, you know, lookingfor Lican and and set off that flare.
M h and Nigan saw it.I'm sure other people have seen it,

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um. And now I'm saying thatyou know their presence m Um.
You know, but at this point, I mean Maggie, I mean,
for Maggie, doesn't really matter ifthey're seen or not. I mean,
she the whole point is for herto let the the crow at No.
But you know, honestly, therewould there could have been a lot simpler
ways for her to go about doingthis plan of hers, you know,

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because it was to give up Niganthis entire time. It was. Yes,
Now, I don't think the croatwas explicit on why he wanted Nigan.
Um. I'm sure she probably assumesit was to to kill him.
But apparently that's not the case.They want him to, I don't know,

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be the star of the show.Apparently. I'm thaying, it's weird.
It's weird, and why does hethink? And I would like to
know the reasoning of that, Likewhy unless the croat thinks that Nigan is
the same as he always was,that's my guess. He is making the
assumption that you know, Neigan isthis well maybe more or less the same

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person he was. And now theweird thing is is, if Maggie could
find him, why couldn't he exactlygood question, you know, So why
did he need Naggie to Nagie?Maggie? Naggie? Ye, sorry about
that, guys. Why did heneed Maggie to do it? Unless there

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is again, this is very theatricalat this point. So we have this
woman that you know, apparently seesthe whole world is you know, a
script three written by her and shehas written, you know, an action
adventure movie. And I guess thisit's almost like they wanted to play out

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like this. So I don't know, it's it's interesting. Um I did
think I did kind of enjoy theinteraction between Nigan and the Marshal, and
you know, the Marshal's no,you're a bad guy. That's it,
you know, and everything is blackand white and YadA, YadA, YadA,

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And then you know, when they'resitting there in the bus, he
has this moment and where he reallystarts to kind of question, did I
do the right thing? You know, I left my brother behind, you
know, you know, is everythingin black and white? You know?
Are these again for the title ofthe episode, or these are the stories
we tell ourselves to make ourselves feelbetter, and um, you know,

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so he's kind of having that ina way. I mean, Maggie's having
that same kind of revelation when shewas, um, you know talking,
you know, when he was talkingabout the bricks and stuff and wanting to
take her, you know, hisgirlfriend to a better place. Yeah,
I mean he referenced something she said, like we do basically, we do

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what we have to do to survive, right, exactly what we have to
do to find a better place oryou know, And I think she resonated
with that a little bit because that'smore or less what Nigan has been saying
to her this entire time. Butbecause it was coming from Nigan, you
know, you know how much weightthat carried, right, But then he

(17:55):
said it so it's a wrong period, right. But then, I mean,
you know, she's kind of seeingthat throughout, you know, with
all of these people and everything else. And you know, when he had
that speech with his girlfriend, he'slike, you know, you know,
we're never gonna reclaim this island.We're never gonna get it back. We're
never gonna you know, that's justa fantasy, right, And and I'm

(18:17):
wondering if he tried to get herto go to the bricks before and she
just flat out refused. Maybe Idon't know, you know, maybe she
really wanted her home and yeah,she if she refused, then that would
be a reason for him to rightto set this whole thing up so that
she would have no choice, right, you know. And I'm wondering because

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otherwise, if he knew this placeexisted, you know, he could have
just said, fine, I'll takeall my people and we'll go um or.
I mean, honestly, I knowthat they've gotten rid of all the
boats, but Jenny came over ina freaking cooler. I know. I'm
that crazy, I know. Imean it's you know, I mean,

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there's a lot of things, honestly, that will float, not just boats.
So and even the Marshall's idea,they were he was just gonna un
more appear and use it as araft to go across the water. M
h. And you know, andthere are you know, I did see
docks, and you know, andwe've learned that the docks can separate too,

(19:29):
by the way, Yeah, alldocks can separate. Yeah, and
could do that. Yeah, Ilive on a river. They all separate.
Oh okay, I get to know. I didn't. I had no
clue. I've been like they do. Oh well yeah, I mean,
I mean you want to to staymore. Don't get me wrong, but
there's a lot of reasons that youwant to be able to have a dock,

(19:52):
to be able to disconnect, youknow, damage, um storms and
stuff repairs. Right. So,yeah, all docs are designed it.
I mean, they're they're they're securedown. I mean, the pilings are
always secure down. Um, thoseare embedded, but the the flat part

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can be disengaged. Well that's good. They have a way off. Although
maybe I can see them using itfor Jenny and Harshell and go home.
Yeah. So, I mean Idon't know him. I don't know,
I don't know, but um Iwill I will share this one thing.

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Okay. So Maggie is so upsetat this guy for betraying them, all
right, and she refuses refuses touse the oxygen even after they die.
Yes, I said the same thing. I'm like, why didn't she pick
up the oxygen? Like he's dead, it's right there, it's right there.

(21:00):
Yeah, she was so stubborn,you know what that is her character
though she stubborn, I know,but I mean she knows that they're going
through mething. She's already experiencing,you know, the lightheaded this and this,
that and the other. She wouldrather die at this point legitimately,

(21:22):
which you're stif thinking, yeah,then to take that stupid oxygen tank because
you know he did something bad.And then after she kind of forgave no,
No, it wasn't your fault,you know how to rethink there,
she still didn't take the stupid tank. No, she didn't. I don't
know why, but she did not. And we know that they're still good

(21:44):
because Jenny still had hers. Idon't know. I don't know about Maggie.
Sometimes I I feel like I wenton a mini rant about her last
episodes. I don't want to dothat again, but I sometimes I just
don't understand the logic. Like sometimesyou could tell she's very smart, right,

(22:06):
she's very with it. Like shewas able to identify that Oldie was
carrying the tanks really quickly, right, she was to distinguish that he was
lying. And you know, she'sgood like that because she's leary of everyone.
But like when it comes to basiclogic like, let me get the
oxygen tank so I don't faint.Right, she doesn't do it, you

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know, so I can be clearheaded so that I can get you know,
so we can get through this honestlyfaster. Yeah, because she's just
stumbling around. Yeah, I mean, now, granted she did take on
that squishy monster. She did which, by the way, so that thing,
let me see. I haven't havea picture of it. If you're

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on YouTube, you can see it. Oh my gosh, this thing nasty,
I know. So it's just anamalogam of all these different you know,
zombies that have melted into each other. Yeah, from just disintegration and
just being gross and disgusting. Theyjust merged together. Yeah. Oh,
did you happen to notice that theexecutive producer on this episode was um uh

(23:18):
Nigan? No, I did notnotice that. Yep, I happened to
know. I was, you know, just watching because normally I skipped the
the intro and this time I justkind of forgot. So I'm like,
okay, whatever, I was justwatching it play along, and um yeah,
his name popped up as not Niganobviously his actual his actual name showed

(23:41):
up as an executive producer on thisparticular episode. Go for him getting those
producer credits. I know, right, you do it. That's extra money.
Yeah, so yeah, that wasI thought that was kind of cool.
Yeah, I think so that iscool. Um sod were you scared

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at any point with this uh scene, with these scenes of these nasty walkers
and the I did jump or not. I kind of flinched back at one
point, but I don't remember.It wasn't It wasn't the the gooey monster.
M it was something else. Idon't even remember what it was.
Now. There was just a moment, you know, and I can't remember

(24:26):
what it was so I could tellyou the moment I jumped and it was
only one and I burst out loudlaughing because I thought it was so eighties
slasher style. So after Maggie takesdown this multi headed walker, you know
this uh what they call it,a walker king or king or whatever.
After she takes it down, she'slaying there all out of breath and all

(24:48):
this stuff, and then like onehead like pops up like a torso pops
up. Yep. I'm like,oh my god, that's like so eighties.
And it was like I just waswaiting for like the big scream after
but you know that's not Maggie.She would never scream, right, And
honestly, I you know I wasbecause I'm like, I was keeping track
of all the head she was killing, m M. And I and I

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had seen that when I'm like,no, she didn't kill that one.
It's gonna pop up here in asecond. And it did. Mm,
So that wasn't it was trying toremember now it was. I don't know.
There was just at one point whereI just wasn't quite expecting it m
M. And I don't even rememberwhere it was. But um, I

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mean for the most and I knewthat that squishy monster was coming up at
some point because it's you know,I asked you if you'd seen it in
the previews. Yeah, and uh, I know they call it the Zombie
King, but at this point I'mjust calling it the squishy monsters. It's
a squishy monster. It was funnybecause um actually, uh Karanas listener to

(25:53):
the show Karana, she mentioned somethingabout it being reminiscent of like the last
past of us with um the ratKing or something. Oh yeah, but
I was watching this YouTube video andI forgot to write it down. I
guess they did something similar with somemonster that predates that, So I know

(26:15):
that the guy said, oh Ithought of this years ago, but it's
definitely something that has been done morethan once. So you know, the
melding of things. Oh yeah,I mean you know, I mean there's
there's some really gross ones from theeighties and I'm not going to mention them.

(26:37):
Um that was done intentionally too,but but yeah, there's um,
I mean, there's a whole genreof scary things where they have spliced.
Was it the um was it thethe Island of Doctor fu Manchu? I
believe it was one of them.M and uh, we're crazy men.

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Ages was just like hooking up youknow, animals and people together. Yikes.
Okay, so executive producer guy,you're not so original. Stop trying
to act like you just thought thisup. Yeah, Oh, it's been
done. I mean, you know, and I mean it was kind of
because, like I said, wewere talking about it, I'm like,
you know, did someone put thisthing together? And no, it just

(27:23):
you know, and it melted togetherthere in the sewers. M you know,
because actually the whole sewer scene,like when you think about the amount
of bodies that are down there andhow they had piled them where they're climbing
up and down them. I'm like, the amount of work that that took,

(27:45):
and who wants to just stack bodieslike that? That is like beyond
just beyond well, the way thatthey were in there, because there was
like clear spaces and then filled spaces. I'm wondering if it was because you
know, show lore that basically becausethey were saying that they were opening up
the sewers and shoving them down there. So I'm wondering if they were just

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the reason why they had areas wherethere was a lot of them is where
they had opened up a sewer grateor a manhole and just shoved them down.
Maybe that could be. I don'tknow, but it seemed like at
some parts they were like lined upalong the edges, you know sometimes they're
a hill. I mean that itwas just crazy well, I mean,

(28:30):
honestly, i gotta tell you,I'm surprised because technically, in most of
those areas the only reason that theNew York Subway system is not under water
is because they have pumps that areconstantly running, Otherwise they'll flood and they'll

(28:52):
go to the top. So thefact that they were in and you can
see that it wasn't just sewers,because you see, you saw tracks in
certain areas. They were in thesubway more or less. And I'm like,
I don't understand why there's no water. Now, It's possible that the
reason they're on the side is becausewater has rushed through there on occasion and

(29:12):
pushed them off to the sides.Yeah maybe, but yeah, under normal
circumstances, truthfully speaking, they wouldnot have been able to walk there.
No, not at all because itwould have been flooded. Yeah, oh
yeah. I know what else Iwant to say? Ask you about so

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old boy what's his name, Armstrongthe marshal hearing his story about his brother
and his parents and stuff. Didthat make you like him more or because
I honestly didn't know what they weredoing with this character, but I feel
like by him sharing more and Iguess letting us feel some kind of empathy

(29:57):
about him, maybe he's gonna stickaround. Maybe he might make it through
the end. He might. Imean, you know the fact that they've
given him a chance to tell hisstory bodes well. You know, he
isn't necessarily wearing a red shirt now, I know, Actually, did you
notice? Like I didn't notice,but another YouTuber that does all these Easter

(30:19):
eggs, I guess apparently everyone.It's like I guess he calls it a
red theory or a red shirt,like it is literally a red shirt.
But I guess he pointed out thatAmya and Tom was Tom a Sale or
whatever his name is, they bothhave red on. You understand the red

(30:40):
shirt reference. I've heard it before, but I just know they were for
I don't. It's a star trek. It's a star trek term. Oh
so whenever they send down an oldstar trek, whenever they sent down an
instant wearing a red shirt, ohhe died, always died. Okay,

(31:00):
I mean if they if they wereunnamed and they had a red shirt on,
oh, you knew as soon asthey hit the landing party, they
were done for. So it's umso yeah, it became it's become this
long running gag now about wearing ared shirt. Okay, because I don't
think they have red shirts on perse, but they had something red like

(31:25):
not literally a red shirt, buta red shirt. Well and even um,
what was the Galaxy. Do youever seen Galaxy to crass quest?
Uh? No, okay, becausethat's a parody on Star Trek and even
the one character he's like, Ididn't have a name. My name was
just I was just guy. Neverwould I'm gonna done, you know.

(31:45):
So yeah, I mean it's it'sone of those you know, well known
little you know, if you're ifyou're a Trek e, you know exactly
what the red shirt references. Andand I and I have noticed over in
certain genre. Um, they'll they'llgive that a nod. You know.
So the character that dies, youknow, is wearing a red shirt or

(32:07):
you know, red tie or something, you know something that So did you
notice it in this show? Andapparently and I need to go back and
like cite him more specifically, butI guess he's saying he's seen it again
and again and again in this series. Have you picked up on that?
Okay, I'm gonna be real truthful. Um, I'm losing some colors and

(32:30):
red and brown look a lot aliketo me right now, okay, especially
in dim light. So I amnot the person to ask I can't see
green either, okay, because Ifeel like now i'm going to pay more
attention. But no, I neverreally noticed before. But now I'm like,
if that's true, it's good,you know, because this show has

(32:51):
does a lot of stuff in lowlights. Um. I sometimes have problems
distinguishing certain colors. I mean Ican I can see the things I can't,
but I can't tell you specifically unlessit's a bright color in these low
in during when they film in thelow light. Okay, I understand,

(33:12):
but I don't know. I don't. Actually I don't like all the dark
scenes. I don't either. Iwish they would lighten them up a little
bit. Like, honestly, ifI have to make my entire room dark
just so I could see the TVclearly, I don't like it, you
know. And they're not as badas as some shows m M. When

(33:37):
they Willow when it was out onwhen they played it on on Disney,
h Um, I actually had toturn on the blind close captioning because it
was so dark. And I meanI turned off all my lights and I
put it up on like I triedit to like bright and cinematic, but

(33:57):
it was so shat it wasn't AndI found it wasn't just me because I
pulled other people. I'm like,can you see what's going on here?
No idea? So it was justlike basically black on black on gray on
black, shadows moving, um,and I had I couldn't tell. I
mean, I could hear the voices, but I couldn't see what they were
doing. So yeah, I turnedon the the U the blind captioning,

(34:21):
just so I can find out whatwas going on. Yeah, and there's
even a scene in there's a coupleof scenes and um, um uh the
House of Dragon, Like yeah,like that one kid, um he took
uh, he took the dragon thatwasn't supposed to be his. Yeah,
they were on the beach or whatever. Yeah, so dark, and I

(34:45):
honestly wasn't sure what was going onat first. Um. I had to
rewatch it and and you know,standing about two three feet from my TV
on on the brightest setting, umto make out the fact that this kid
was climbing onto a dragon because theshadows and stuff made it look like,

(35:06):
you know, because dragons are scaly, they kind of look like rock anyway.
And and it's a bit a bitthat dark on dark has been a
really big complaint with a lot ofpeople. Yeah, some of it's too
dark, but it like this showspecifically, it's like it it flips back
and forth. So like we havesome of the regular like daylight when you

(35:29):
know, Nigan was running around withArmstrong. You know, it's daylight,
no problem, and then we godown and the Sewers or whatever, it's
very dark, and then it wasnot as dark. It was like medium
dark. When we had the scenewith the Croat and the Dama. You
know, I was indoors, butthey had light. So they're really playing

(35:49):
around back and forth with the brightnessand the light. Yeah, I mean,
like I said, when it's likethe Sewers, I mean, it
wasn't so you know, like Isaid, the reason I gave the other
examples is I mean, I youcould not just could not seem and but
even on this show, there's beentimes where they've made an artistic choice to

(36:12):
go with a really dark and forevoting well stop it, you know,
guess we want to see what's goingon. Like I mean, I get
it right, they're trying to makeit really you know, full of tension
and ratchet up the you know,paranorma paranoia and like unco make you uncomfortable

(36:34):
with the darkness with the music andthe noises, but man, it makes
it for a hard viewing sometimes,Like sometimes, yeah, this show comes
on at night, but I watchit in the morning or in the middle
of the day, and I'm like, it's so I can't make it dark
enough inside my house in the middleof the day. Yeah. And the
thing of it is is, honestly, you're not We're not in a theater,

(36:55):
right, we shouldn't have to haveour viewing areas pitch black, you
know, in order to make outsome detail in And the thing, if
it is is, for the mostpart, most of these scenes are shot
under very bright light. Yes,So how they're getting this effect is they're

(37:16):
basically putting a filter on it,and you know, so this is you
know, it's it's not even thatthey're filming in low light conditions. They
are making an artistic choice. Yes, And I refuse to turn up the
brightness for one TV show because I'llforget and like sometimes when I watch TV
at night, I do turn thebrightness down on my like master bedroom TV

(37:40):
ycause I don't want to be blindedat nighttime. So it's not going to
turn it up for one show.Um, I prefer the like the cinematic,
because that one seems to gives yougive you the most depth. But
yeah, and some of these shows, you know, you can't you know,
cinematic unless you are sitting in apitch dark room, you are never

(38:05):
going to be able to make outwhatever's going on. It's almost they almost
should like put a recommendation for bestviewing, you know, set your TV
up, turn on these settings,get boy exactly, you know, because
it's really frustrating to watch these showsand have to sit there and you know,
pause it to play with the brightnesssettings and just so you can see

(38:29):
what's going on. Well, youknow, they even do and I know
I'm getting a little bit off topichere, but they even do that with
some of the words. And Ifeel like we talked about this before.
Some of the the what they're sayingis so quiet or momboie. At times,
I actually turn on the captions.I have too, so I'm like,
what did he say? Now Ijust read the captions while I'm watching.

(38:52):
Yeah, like I'm going blind,not deafly, oh my gosh.
And but but they'll have that musicso loud. Yeah, and then they'll
have you know, then they'll whisperto each other and they'll keep it in
a whisper. I'm like, areyou serious? Are you serious? And
you know so instead of like goingyou know, okay, So we've got

(39:12):
it on twenty for music and we'vegot it on seventy five for the conversation.
Mum, I'll, you know,pick a nice middle and like twenty
three or something and then turn onthe closed caption m because I find it.
I find that less disruptive. Yeah, I hear you. Um,
Okay, So I think it wouldbe fun we had a callin. Okay,

(39:37):
I think it would be fun tolisten to the callin. Maybe bring
us this, bring us back tothe topic days. Yeah, sorry about
that, guy. I know sometimeswe get off the topic. So we're
gonna play the colin. If youcall in, we may play your message
and it will give some commentary onthe comment. Okay, you ready,
yep, right there. I justminded to send the smithsage guys, because

(40:00):
I am a OGE Walking Dead fan. I've been with the series since twenty
ten. Kind of dropped off intwenty seventeen because I lost cable, But
anyway, I got back into itand got ready for the spin off shows,
and I'm loving Dead City so far. But I wanted to share with
you a little theory that I've hadfloating around in my head since the very
first episode. Knowing that Darlene Snell'sactress is going to be featured in the

(40:25):
next episode and her characters are usuallymanipulative and controlling. Not only do I
think she's also controlling the Crow atsort of, But here's a theory for
you. What if herschel is goingto side with the Crow at side with
Darlene against his mother because they getto him and they speak on the fact

(40:50):
that Maggie has kind of failed asa mother and also in revenging his father
because his person, how view,is still alive his murderer. Thank you
for the comment. We appreciate it. I think that that woman. Did
you recognize her? She was onthe Ozark? Do you watch Ozark?

(41:12):
No? I don't. She placesvillain and I think her name I don't
know this one. I need tolook up her real name because she kept
saying Darlene, but I thought Darlenewas the character's name on the Ozark.
On The Ozark, I don't know. Do you know the actress's name.
I know, you don't. Whyam I saying that I don't know the
names of anything? Okay, Sowhat did you think about her theory?
Well, she was partially right,right, Yeah, I mean we we've

(41:34):
already shown that, you know,partially right. She's the mastermind behind pretty
much all this you know, fuckery, and yes, basically and um,
but honestly, I don't. Idon't think I agree with her assessment of
herschel. Now, I'm not sayingthat I think that he's absolutely going to
choose his mom because there is alot going on there. But and he

(42:02):
knows who Nigan is. He knowsthat Neigan killed his dad, and we
was you know, that was establishedlast season, and he's I mean,
he's not okay with it, buthim and Nigan kind of have an understanding.
So I could see him sighting withNigan over his mom, but I

(42:22):
don't I don't really see him maybetaking the crowat over his mom. And
plus, like we kind of justsorted out the timing it bend with the
mom enough for any kind of brainwashingto that level, I don't think.
Yeah, I mean, and youknow, while they're in again, I

(42:46):
mean, he was taken from hismom. I mean he was calling for
he was desperate to get away,and you know he wasn't exactly bending the
knee. Um that first episode thatwe saw him. Now again, we
haven't seen him since, right,and we know that the croat can be
none too gentle. But but forhim to switch sides, that has to

(43:09):
be like brainwashing. You have toconvince him. You're not gonna force someone
to switch sides because they won't reallyswitch sides, right, Um, yeah,
proper brainwashing takes time, yeah,which they don't have if we figured
out the timing correctly. Right.And and like I said, I don't

(43:30):
I mean, the season is thesame, you know, So I mean
it's not had you know, ithasn't been like a year or anything.
Um, I'm you know, I'mgonna go with you know, I mean,
it might be a little bit morethan a month because you know,
we don't know how long it tookher to find Negan. But um,
I can't. I don't think itwas that long because you know, I

(43:55):
just I don't think so I agreewith you. Um, I think again,
thanks for the theory. I appreciateit, but I don't think.
Yeah, I don't think that he'sgonna turn like that. I just don't
well, and you know, andhere's another thing. The crowd was really
really surprised when Nigan said I camefor the kid. And the crowd is

(44:20):
completely aware of who this kid is. It's Glenn's kid, right, because
he took him by design on perfecttook him. You know, this was
by design. He was specifically targeted. So the fact that he is shocked
that Nigan would have come for thiskid is kind of interesting when it tells

(44:42):
me he really isn't doing his duediligence because anyone could have told him that
was involved with these groups would knowthat Neigan and Herschel had a sympathetic relationship
with each other. So just shootingthings out here, what if the crow

(45:04):
at did not think that Maggie wasable to get him there that fast?
So after finding out that the sheriffwas looking for him, it was a
maybe he thought it was a coincidenceat first, and he really was here
because of the sheriff, because hello, the sheriff just said I'm hunting him
right right, So maybe he reallydid think, wow, what a coincidence.

(45:27):
And then when he said I'm herefor the boy. He was like,
oh, you're still working, youknow, you're still helping the widow
hunt. So it's like he justdidn't expect it. I don't think he
expected her to get it done soquickly, or because he met the sheriff
first. He just assumed he washere because of the sheriff. Yeah,
but why would Nigan even run toManhattan? I don't know. I mean,

(45:51):
truthfully, Nigan has never had areason to go there unless he was
just running from the sheriff and that'sthe only place he thought to go.
I don't know. I don't whowant to go there. I'm here to
tell you if I was running,Manhattan would be a low on my list
of places that I would be running. Two. Yeah, um, even
in good times, you know,it's it's it's it's a lot um.

(46:19):
But yeah, I mean there's afew discrepancies. And but you know,
honestly, I mean, you couldbe right. Maybe she did find Nigan
a lot faster. Maybe he didlook for Nigan at first and couldn't find
him, been figured that Maggie couldfind him faster, you know, with
her son's life, you know,hanging in the balance and he was right.
Um, he was not wrong onthat assumption, So I'll give him

(46:40):
that. No, but very right. Yeah, I mean, I mean
it is interesting. I mean Ido find it interesting that he is.
I guess the biggest thing is whywhy do they want Nigan so bad?

(47:00):
That's just the thing, the onlything I can think of, unless they
come by, they come back andhappen to tell us like the real reason
for it, it's just because theCRUs because you know, the Dama said,
you know, you've told me storiesabout him, right right, So
maybe if they think he's the sameperson, or this is the person we're
gonna get, we're gonna get thisloud show bowie person that can talk people

(47:23):
into doing what we want. Apuppet, another puppet like well and a
flamboyant wanted that, yeah, likeone that maybe can think he's in charge,
but he's not. You know,he'll take the power because that's what
Nagan does, yep, and wecan use him. That's the only thing
I can think is that they justneed someone to kind of strong arm everybody

(47:45):
else in a better way that she'sdoing. I don't know. Yeah,
well she doesn't, see she doesn'tshe's not the out in front. She's
the director, she's the behind thescenes persons in the strings, not rallying
the masses. Yeah. True.And I mean, and you know,

(48:07):
you gotta give it to Negan.I mean he he is a showman much
more than than the croat is um. He knows how to um. He
asked charisma and the croat doesn't.Yeah, and maybe that's what the Dama
wants, someone prismatic, someone thatbecause, like you pointed out, you

(48:31):
know that scene there in the hallway, he's not well respected outside of his
little fiefdom. No, that woman, Oh my god, I'm like,
what the hell is this? Orjust the dude black, I'm like,
what's happening? Oh my gosh.You know. So, you know,
it's it's interesting that, you know, maybe she's looking for a lieutenant.

(48:54):
Maybe maybe she is, I don'tknow. I mean the way the crowd
like kind of bowed down to her, kissed her hand, you know,
like she didn't even kiss her hand, kiss the poliverse in her hand,
and then put his forehead in it. Yes, it was very weird.
Yes, I'm like, what thewhat is happening? And you know,

(49:22):
so maybe she's looking for someone thatis not so easily manipulated. Maybe because
the crow it really is. Imean, he's he's scary, but he's
more of a follower mm hmm.And and I think he feels more comfortable
not being in that front position.He wants to be, you know,

(49:45):
the inventor, the interrogator, thatthe scary guy in the in the corner
of the room. Yeah, he'sgood at doing the bad stuff to people.
That's all he cares about. Tortureand stuff. Um, he wants
respect, but he doesn't want theresponse. I don't even want to say
responsibility. I just I don't UnlikeNigan, I don't think he feels as

(50:07):
comfortable in that showman position. Wellup till now, the kret was the
head guy right to everyone else,Like think about all the the people that
they met, like you know betweenum like what Amaya and Tamaso and you

(50:28):
know that group, they all thoughtthat the croat was it. Yeah,
we'll kill him, you get yourkid, you know, everybody gets something
right. So yeah, so theyhad he's just a cog in the machine.
Yeah, they had no clue aboutthe Damas. So whatever her long
game is she is, they've beenkeeping a really you know, tight circle

(50:52):
or you know, they're really notshowing the hands right well, and I'm
wondering if like there's just there's littlegroups, um, but maybe not all
of them are quite as you know, um, aggressive mean territorial, I
don't know. I mean, Imean Manhattan's I mean it's a it's a

(51:13):
decent size, you know, squarefootage. So it's very possible that you
know, the you know, differentareas are controlled by different people and they're
ruled different in different ways. Yeah, totally, yeah, I don't know,
I don't know, it's crazy.Um, I'm curious to see what
becomes of it, though, Um, is she gonna die this season?

(51:37):
Is she gonna be the next villain? Because I feel like if they end
up killing the crow at next week, because you know, they get Herschel
back and they kill them, thenthey still have another villain to deal with
if they go into a season two, right, that's possible. I mean,
and it's even you know, likeI could see them shifting because again

(52:04):
we talked about this that they're reallytrying to rebrand Nigan right now. They
are this entire you know, thesethis entire five episodes has basically been let's
rebrand Nigan. Mum, Maggie hasbeen flat and unrelatable, and Nigan has
been I mean, honestly, They'vetried to make him warm, understanding,

(52:34):
relatable, even when he's trying todo Like he's trying to run from the
Marshal and he turns around and helpsthem. He's like, what am I
doing? Right? I don't evenknow why I'm doing this? This is
dumb, but I you know,I don't want to leave anyone behind.
I've never wanted to leave anyone behind. Yeah, um, you know.

(52:57):
So I'm kind of wondering if thiswhole rebranding is, if they are going
to do a second season, ifit's going to be Niga's adventure in Manhattan,
I don't know, you know.And if by some chance Maggie ends
up telling Niga in the truth andhe lets it go, you know,
for the greater good of saving youknow, Hershel, maybe she will help

(53:21):
him in return, right, andmaybe they can have a different dynamic in
season two, right. And Andthe thing of it is is I kind
of feel I have a feeling thathe is he is going to know that
Jenny is there. Um, myassumption is she's going to come clean.

(53:43):
She's gonna speak yeah, well no, I mean that Maggie's gonna come clean,
uh huh. And you're right,it's probably gonna be because she speaks,
yes, and she's gonna say I'myou know, he came in he
you know, it wasn't food thathe was after it was hurt. It
was specifically herschel um to try andforce me to She's gonna be trying to

(54:04):
explain herself, like in that episodewhere Niga was trying to explain himself and
she was like, I want tohear it basically, Yeah, you know,
because I mean, honestly, becausethis lie. Because you and I
have both questioned, you know,this whole thing, this whole story of
hers, why is it so importantthat she get Nigan? Why is you
know, because her focus has beenon you know, it's gotta be Nigan,
It's gotta be Nigan. Well whydoes it got to be Nigan?

(54:27):
Mum? You even Nigan said,I haven't seen this man in years,
and you know he's not gonna bereal happy to see me. Um.
I can give you some insight,but you know, Christy could have given
him insight, you know, noton the island exactly. So, you
know, this whole thing. We'vebeen questioning it anyway, and it's kind

(54:49):
of like her life. Oh youknow, we were on a boat,
we were trying to go to Canada. It was that same caliber of of
lie, yes my girl. No. So oh one more thing. I
don't know if you spotted this ornot. So as I was perusing all
the episode five stuff, I sawon the internet. The scene where Nigan

(55:13):
goes to exit the school, itsays do not open dead outside, mm
hmm. And then I'm scrolling scrolling, and I'm like, oh, snap,
there's a playback to episode one,Yes, from the hospital, from
the hospital. Yeah, I didnotice that. I'm like, wait a

(55:36):
minute, that was kind of cool. Did they do that on purpose?
Do you think they did on purpose? I don't know. I kind of
I assumed they did because I've noticedthat there's been kind of this tip of
the hat, you know, onon a couple of different things throughout this
this you know, new show.Um and nothing I mean nothing big,

(55:59):
but you know, little things likeyou know that that scene where you know,
dead inside or dead outside. Yeah, and uh so yeah, I
just assumed that they're they're making artisticchoices and and you know, kind of
throwing back to so the before.That's great if they're doing that, but

(56:22):
one artistic choice I am missing isOkay, so, remember when we were
introduced to these variants, and it'sbeen some more years, why haven't they
shown us one or two variants onthis show? I don't know. I
mean, maybe because we're dealing withManhattan zombies. But look, they had

(56:45):
zombies Trump dropping off the roof,and they seemed confused by that, but
they didn't bother to say, oh, well, we've seen zombies crawling or
walking or climbing or you know what. Ever, Yeah, I've actually seen
that as a common complaint. Okay, you bring us, you know,
you give us these variants, andwhy have you done nothing with them?

(57:10):
And they doesn't have to be completelyall about the variants, but they did
have a couple opportunities where they couldhave used some zombies that were in the
variant, you know, variety tojust kind of amp things up a little
bit. They could have, butapparently they you know, to amp up

(57:30):
that, you know, they relyon the stupidity of the characters. I
guess I just feel like they're notThey're still you know, as this is
supposed to be one cohesive universe,they're still missing the mark with making it
like on paper cohesive like some stuffhad. Like like authors when they write

(57:52):
a series and then they write spinoffs, right, the core of the world
building is true too. You knowyou're in the same world. The world
building sticks right with the spinoff.You don't totally forget things that you've introduced,
and these are like major things.So I don't quite understand why they
just let it drop. Um.I don't know, because honestly, they

(58:15):
should have them. There should bea huge masterboard somewhere that says, Okay,
don't forget you know, this isCannon. Yeah, there used to
be this I can't remember her name. She used to go on The Talking
Dead and she was like one ofthose uber fans. Oh Nicole Brown.

(58:37):
Yeah, I mean she has notebookswith notes. Yeah. I mean,
they need to just hire that woman, and she needs to tell them no,
no, no, no, that'snot Cannon. I have it right
here. I mean they should seriouslyjust hire that woman. Okay. Karina
wants to know are we watching thefinale on Thursday or waiting until Sunday.

(59:00):
I'm waiting until Sunday. I'm probablygonna watch it early. I don't know
if it's gonna be Thursday, butit's probably gonna be Friday morning because I
don't want to be spoiled from theinternet. So I'm probably gonna watch it
and then rewatch it again like Sundaynight or so it's fresh. That's fair.

(59:21):
Mhm m That's what I'm gonna do. I think, just because you
know, people they post, likesome people get their hands on these episodes
even earlier than that, and theydrop these videos and articles and everything before
it even airs. Oh I know, and I have gotten really good at
avoiding them, and I thought aboutwatching it early, but I kind of

(59:45):
want to. I don't want to. I don't want to lose out on
the I don't want to call itexcitement as much as the most I just
I try to watch them on Sundayjust so that when we talk about it
on my day, I haven't hada lot of time to super process things.

(01:00:05):
Oh I do, and then I'dbe like, what about this?
And what about that? And whythis? Especially if I watch a second
time, I'm like, uh,you know, I find it it's a
little more enjoyable because I will sometimesgo back and watch it a second time,
mum, but I generally just tryto watch it once and then make

(01:00:29):
my commentary off of it. That'sthat's fun. I mean I used to
do that. I used to dothe same issue, but now I just
I don't know. For this show, I kind of want to watch it
before somebody spoils something for me,just by you know, accident of scrolling
or whatever. So oh, I'llprobably watch it, I would like to
say, because we were talking abouthow long before we come back again after

(01:00:51):
this mmm, they officially have droppedthe the date for the Daryl Dixon Show,
and fifty four days. Yes,it's like September tenth, right,
I think, so it's in fiftyfour days. I can tell you that.
So our break isn't gonna be abouta month and a half. Yes,

(01:01:12):
so we'll be gone. Don't forgetyou guys, subscribe so you don't
miss when we returned. You don'tneed a reminder. We'll just pop back
in your feed because we'll be rightback here with bells on. Ye,
and then the Fear of the WalkingDead returns in ninety seven days. Yeah,
So I actually I don't think there'sa break in between. So I
think Daryl Dixon ends one Sunday andthen Fear returns the next Sunday. So

(01:01:37):
we'll have that short break and thenyou know, we'll just swing back in
and as I understand it, thenthere there'll be another short break and then
we'll swing into the machine in.Yeah, that's gonna be twenty twenty four
though, so I said there.So basically this is going to run up

(01:02:00):
until about November, I think,and then we'll have a I think we'll
have a wing the Winner off andthen sometime February March ish is when to
expect Mishonen and Rick. Yeah,so one last thing to cover because it's

(01:02:24):
been in the news and so Ithink it's timely. So we know Comic
Con it's coming up, and noneof the actors will be there, so
no panels in the traditional sense.I don't know how exciting it's going to
be to watch the show runners andproducers, et cetera have panels. I

(01:02:45):
mean, there's some people that likethat stuff, but I watched some when
the actors were on it, youknow, because especially if they were doing
reveals. So from what I understand, we should still be getting all of
the like you know, drops oflike trailers and stuff. We're still gonna

(01:03:06):
get that, but we're not gonnaget the panels in a traditional way.
So did they ever say why,Well, because they're going on strike.
Oh that's right, you're right,you're right, you're right, they're going
on strike. Um, yesterday,day before yesterday. So pay the people.

(01:03:27):
You know, when I envisioned thefuture, it was never you know,
humans are gonna work hard manual labor, and you know, robots are
gonna make art and music. Girl, I know right, Like, so
you heard about the artificial intelligence andlike the use of people's like likeness and
perpetuity. Get the hell out ofhere. No one's gonna go for that.

(01:03:49):
Well. I was reading an interestingarticle the other day. Um,
did you ever watch Oh Christ it'sthe train that goes around the world because
of the cataclysm? Uh, theycanceled it last season. Anyway, the
actors on it UM during the finalseason had had full body scans and um

(01:04:16):
and uh voice imprints done, butthey were never told why they were said.
I guess they were given the flimsyexcuse that it was, Oh,
it's for CGI, you know,so we can do you know something something
something Mum. But now that nowthat they have them, technically all those
actors that did that, they canuse you know, their their full body

(01:04:39):
scans to put them wherever they want. Now, wait, was that in
the contract if did they sign acontract they said they could use that.
Uh it was apparently vaguely written.Um, and you know, basically they're
like, oh so that we can, Um, we can that they gave
permission to have their likenesses and voicesused for cgi effects somebody skin suit yeah,

(01:05:04):
um and uh so all the actorsnow are going, well, wait
a minute, we thought it wasjust gonna be for this show if you
needed to do post you know,production whatever clean up. But now looking
back, apparently they're they're all nowconcerned that the studios now have free right

(01:05:30):
to use their their stuff to we'llmake entire movies with no that's gonna be
okay. So they tried it,It's not gonna happen. It's not gonna
happen. I don't think that theactors will allow it. The AFRA group
will even allow that, Like they'regonna fight anything, and we cannot not

(01:05:53):
have actors working, like stop thisbullshit, Like just stop. Well,
and it's it's it's the whole thing. You know. They want AI to
to make the make the scripts,and then they want to use you know,
our you know, AI to createyou know, movies based on people's

(01:06:14):
likenesses, you know, using artificialintelligence. It's not even gonna be real
movies anymore. It's gonna be likevideo games. Yeah, garbage. No
one wants that. Well, andit's it's not just you know, it's
not just you know, there's ayou know, oh I love that actor,
you know kind of thing. It'sit's it's the connection that the actors
have with people. There's entire moviesand stuff that I have started to watch

(01:06:38):
because I liked the actor, notbecause you know, I'm like, well
I really don't know about this series, but I like this actor. Um.
And honestly, this is you know, because I own a publishing house,
this has been something that's been becoming. I haven't personally run into the
issue, um, you know,but they're now advertising get our AI program

(01:07:02):
and it will write your stories andwe'll tell you how to you know,
how to make bank off of it. Yeah, you know, so,
I mean, you know, whenI get new submissions Now, one of
the first things I do is Irun it through a program to make sure
that it's not you know, thatwas actually written by a person well you

(01:07:23):
know, so it's taken over.They're trying to get into the movies,
they're trying to touch the books,and apparently they're trying to touch music too.
I was listening to a podcast.I think it was NPR, maybe
I don't know, don't quote me. Where you know, some of the
music industry is getting upset because,you know, how you can now replicate
voices and people are making music withcelebrity voices, with you know, famous

(01:07:45):
musicians voices, and they're putting iton Spotify in other places and earning revenue.
And it's like what, oh yeah, I mean it's I mean when
I see those things that are like, oh, have AI generate you know,
your next bestseller and and we'll teachyou how to you know, how

(01:08:09):
to market it and stuff, youknow, and I'm looking at that going
are you kidding me? Are youkidding me? I mean, and now
they're just blatantly saying, hey,you know, plagiarize you know, a
thousand different authors. Well, becausehere's the thing. AI can't actually create
anything original. No, it's it'spinching from a bunch of different things that

(01:08:29):
it's grabbing off the internet. Soit's basically going through you know, the
whatever is publicly available and plagiarizing everybodyto make these things. And and it's
just you know, I mean,because I gotta tell you, authors put
in hundreds of hours and hundreds thousandsof dollars, you know, marketing and

(01:08:56):
you know, and working on editingand and formatting and you'll cover art and
making sure that they give you agood book. And then there's these hacks
coming along. They are just stealingand and we're and they're just publicly broadcasting.
Hey, we'll teach you how todo this steal from other hardworking art
authors. And I know that there'sartists out there, Oh, they're stealing

(01:09:20):
their artwork. Like did you hearabout like this is off topic, eis?
I know, but that you know, people have stolen people's artwork for
book covers, like because they askedthe AI to generate it. They say,
AI create this artwork and they stoleit from someone and they didn't even
know. Yeah, I mean Ihave artwork up that you know that I

(01:09:41):
sell and I'm so far I haven'tcome across to any of my artwork in
these AI generations, but it wouldn'tsurprise me if somewhere someone's using something of
mine at the and there's no wayof even tracking it down unless someone catches
it. That's what happened, Likethis big name author. I'm sending to
you later, but yeah, abig author got caught using it um just

(01:10:02):
because some we're recognized it and liketweet, you know, Twitter, they
go, they went after the publisher. Yeah it's a big publisher. Oops.
Yeah, I just imagine there.Now this is going to seep into
our TV and movies too, Likeyou're stealing from the actors. Yeah,
you're, I mean this everything withthis AI stuff, it it all really

(01:10:25):
comes down to theft. It's alltheft m hm um. Because the computer
can't make things up on its own. That's not that's not what they do.
You know, they're not creative.Yeah, no original content. It's
coming out of a computer. Right, So if you're using AI for anything,
nothing is original content. It's youknow, made up somewhere, um,

(01:10:47):
made from somebody else's hard work.And and that's you know, so
when these actors and the screenwriters andand other people are going, no,
we're on strike. I'm absolutely supportingthem. M hmm. Absolutely, And
I really think places like Amazon shouldbe cracking down on you know, they
really should be doing because because Iknow they do checks of the books before

(01:11:12):
they post them, and they shouldabsolutely be cracking down on these people that
are using AI programs to to generatebooks. I agree across the board with
all the artsy things we've been talkingabout today, Yeah, it's sad because
yeah, yeah, even I mean, there's various inconsistencies that go on within

(01:11:35):
The Walking Dead that do drive youand I both crazy. But the fact
of it is is some of theseare just simply human errors. And I'd
rather have the human errors than tohave something created by an AI program.
You know, these shows would notbe the same if we had AI writers

(01:11:56):
writing this show, writing these scripts, and then you have some digital version
of these actors acting, it wouldbe whack. I'm sorry, Yeah,
I mean it would be like watchinga video game. I mean it,
granted, video games are getting tothe point where they're getting more hyper realistic,
but you can though, but youcan tell that they are not real.

(01:12:19):
Um, and there's some shows thatI'm like, okay, because you
know they are they're CGI intensive.I mean, they're they're live action.
But for you know, for thingslike mex suits and the stuff they're using
CGI. All right, fine,I can I can accept that, you
know, um, but to justbasically pay someone a hundred bucks to scan

(01:12:44):
their body and there, you know, and record their voice and never pay
them again and then use them inthousands of movies and TV shows, I'm
no that No, I know,it's a mess. And we haven't even
touched the surface of all the problemsthat there are outside of that. So
with that said, I mean comingback around. So sorry, I mean,

(01:13:08):
we want to at Tangent, butwe do that sometimes, y'all.
We do. Sorry, m butfeel free to leave a comment on what
you think about what's going on inthe industry, you know, with the
strikes and stuff and how the studiosare acting or not acting not reacting.
Well, they're looking at it asprofit because if they never have to,

(01:13:28):
you know, if you cost thema hundred bucks to digitize a person and
then they never you know, inall it costs at that point is production
that's all profit to them? Yesit is. And I know that's exactly
what they're looking for looking at youknow. I mean, in theory,
I could populate my entire publishing housewith you know, pen names into pseudo

(01:13:49):
books. But that's you know,that's no. It's about the rash.
It's trash. It should be aboutthe art, should be about the craft,
it should be the human touch toit. Yeah, so all right,
I think we're done. What doyou think we're gonna end on that

(01:14:10):
note? So, thank you guysfor checking out today's episode. Um,
we hope you liked it, andwe'll see you guys again right here,
same time next week for the finaleof Dead City. And again, don't
forget to like and subscribe so thatyou can be here when we return for
Joel Dixon. See you guys nextweek. Take care of yourselves. Bye

(01:14:31):
guys, Bye bye

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