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(00:05):
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the podcast, we are laid backin our view style, right, Lisa,
Absolutely, Tamra. This is aconversation, not a dissertation, exactly,
no scene by scene breakdowns here.We jump around and of course,

(01:33):
huge spoiler alert for everything every showin the world through yesterday's episode. So
if you're good with that, thisis the place for you, and let's
jump into it. What'd you think? Well, it was an episode that
it was people did things, peopledid stuff, and it was tough and

(01:57):
they were shooting and fire and ofuseless drama. It was it was a
show. Yeah that that is true. That is true. And I'm with
you there. I'm sitting there watchinglike ugh whyugh? But you know,
if I had to give the showone positive thing, it would be thank

(02:21):
God, Thank the Lord. Theydid not go with that dumb theory of
Alicia is this kid's mother. Oh, but they they strung it out to
the bitter end, didn't they.Yeah, I mean, all the little
clues about when she was born,how old she was, the medallion she
was wearing, YadA YadA, YadA, YadA YadA, and even the chick

(02:45):
that she pointed out, there's Alicia. You know, it was her mother
that looked similar to Yeah, shewas in the wheelhouse. But instantly when
I saw her, I'm like,her hair is not that dark? Yeah,
Like I just knew it was nother, Like before she even you
know, was shown to us,I just knew it wasn't. But one
thing that didn't make sense is ifthis is her mother and not Alicia,

(03:08):
clearly, why is the woman's armcut off? That is a very good
question, like why did they dothat? Why did Troy cut her arm
off? For what? I don'tknow? I mean, SERI, I
don't know why anyone is doing anythingat this point, because simple solution is
to sniper Troy mm hm and youknow, and then mop up the rest.

(03:34):
I just kill them already. Idon't I really don't understand. I
don't understand what's really going on,and and we have everyone doing insane things
like all right, fine, Victorkidnapped the kid whatever? Was it a
great move on his part? Probablynot. But these guys thinking that somehow

(04:00):
giving this kid back to Troy isgoing to make him lead them alone.
Stupid, stupid. And then we'vegot Victor taking off her blindfold remember the
lighthouse. Oh my lord. Well, look, I mean I kind of
kind of many a little bit understandwhy he did. He really wanted to

(04:26):
make it that it was now impossiblefor them to an over. You know,
you're not going to now, right. But at the same time,
now what are they going to dowith the kid, because now they're stuck
with her or they have to killher. And obviously he could get away
because he got away. You know, if it was that easy, he

(04:47):
could have just jumped over the side, even with his hands bound. Yeah,
and did what he did, youknow, basically, you know,
disable the boat and jump over theside. Right, He could have done
that without taking up her blind fold. Of what he was concerned about was
his own hide. M M.And I don't see why he has a
sudden concern for this kid, because, I mean, Troy's been keeping her

(05:09):
alive for seven years. I don'tsee why he's gonna stop now. Well,
you know, okay, so mentioningTroy taking care of this kid.
Yes, he does take care ofthe kid, but when it came down
to him making a choice of tradingthis child or fighting, he chose to
fight. He didn't choose the kid. So I'm like, clearly this is

(05:31):
not his blood child, it can'tbe. Why and if it is,
oh my god, I mean thefact that he does this to any child,
but you know, let alone hisown child. Yeah, like you
just chose to have a fight thatyou probably wouldn't win instead of trading to
get your little girl back, right, I mean, and honestly, instead

(05:54):
of radioing him on the boat,they could have done it from the island.
She was still safely ensconced on theisland and made the deal. And
they you know, and they definitelycould have had Victor a little more secure,
obviously, Yeah, obviously. AndI mean we all they know,

(06:18):
we all know that his number onepriority is saving his own butt. So
having him just sit there loose withjust a zip ties on his hand,
seriously, guys, you know howdangerous this man is. M hm.
That was just dumb. They shouldhave had him secured to a bowl or
something. You know, It's likethey love to underestimate him or something like

(06:45):
they it's like they understand. Imean, June said it, I saw
you, I know what you did. I know you know. So she
they're not dumb, but I don'tknow. Maybe they are. They are,
They're all dumb. Okay, That'swhere I'm at right now, because
one, they never should have.This negotiated deal that they're making is stupid
to begin with. All right,they could have, you know, they

(07:10):
could have stayed on the island andsaid, listen, you guys, turn
away, we'll pick a location.We'll drop this kid off to you if
you move on. And they're like, well, there's still the matter if
we have no place to live.You have the hotel, you have the
resort that was really really nice,right, so no, you don't actually

(07:31):
need some place to live. Youhave some place wrecked, you know.
And then you know the fact that, all right, fine, they I
don't know. And we got wegot Madison who's absolutely obsessed with finding her
daughter after all these years. Andit doesn't even she's dead, all right,

(07:55):
I get it. It's it's troublingwhatever she's dead. Mm hmm.
Every person on this show have lostchildren and parents and siblings and spouses.
They've all lost someone or you know, at some point, if not everyone.

(08:15):
So the fact that she is justlosing her mind after basically giving up
on them for ten plus years isjust stupid. She has put people in
danger, She has you know,threatened everyone's little colonies. Also that she
could what find her and kill her, to her, you know, to

(08:37):
put her to rest, put herarrest, I mean, okay, So
honestly I kind of get that,but I don't understand the method that she's
like, I don't understand the madnessof it. It seems like that's something
she can do after she squared awaythat the current imminent danger. Yeah,

(08:58):
she didn't have to be doing thisright now. Well, And the thing,
if it is, is when shetalked to Morgan, Morgan told her
that both of her children were dead, all right. She was okay with
it, I mean not okay,but she accepted it all right. And
now all of a sudden she islosing her mind. Why because it was

(09:22):
Troy that killed her. Yeah,supposedly, that seems like that's the catalyst,
right, But it doesn't make sense. I mean, I wouldn't just
write off believe him anyway. Whywould you just believe him? I would
more likely believe what Morgan told me. I mean, I guess that still
makes her dead, but I don'tknow. I just wouldn't have let him

(09:45):
enbrage me like that. Well,and I'm here to tell you I love
my kids. I would be devastatedif I lost a single one of them,
much less all of them. Butin this kind of situation, I
would warn my children, but theliving or the priority, you know.
I'm sorry, but a body isa body, and once you're gone,

(10:09):
it doesn't matter. She's not gonnarest any easier on the ground or wandering
around. Yeah, so can Ijust say real fast before we go off
the rails a little bit like whenshe was standing out there playing the music
to get the walkers to come toher. I guess this was her quick
sort, you know. Option Yeah, I'm like, she out here with

(10:31):
again with this stupid sledgehammer, someonewho has a difficult time breathing. Why
is that? That doesn't seem likethe smartest thing? And like, where's
she like the the oxygen take isjust sitting somewhere on the ground. This
gets on her back? Is that? I don't remember seeing it on her

(10:52):
back when she was swinging on thosethings and smashing heads. Yeah, because
remember shortly after Victor showed up,she reached over her shoulder and grabbed the
basko it's breath. I feel like, why put yourself through that? Why
do that? I want to knowwhere she's coming up with all this oxygen
unlimited supply. Apparently it's like avideo game. Yeah, I mean really,

(11:16):
I mean oxygen is I mean,oxygen's all around its don't get me
wrong, but it's it's it isa little difficult to manufacture your oxygen.
It is, you know, andit can be done, but it generally
requires things like electricity and equipment.And she's just wandering around. And have

(11:39):
you ever used a sledgehammer? Ihave not, but I know the thing
is heavy. Okay, I have, all right, I have. I
have knocked down things with a sledgehammer, and and I'm here to tell you
it's uh, it is an thing, it, you know. I mean,

(12:03):
when you get into a rhythm ofthings, it's not too bad,
but it is high intensity m hm. Truthfully speaking, unless you're you know,
blut cage of five ten swings,you're getting a little winded. Yeah,
and it's part of it. Imean it because the whole point of
a sledgehammer is it's really heavily weightedon one side, so when you bring

(12:28):
it down, the weight of it, you yeah, propels you. Yeah,
but you know the beginning, youknow, the bottom up to the
top of that arc, it's effort. Yeah, and even keeping control of
it on the downward side, youknow, because you have to keep control
or you're going to lose it.So the fact that she's using something that

(12:52):
heavy just doesn't make any sense.I mean, at that point, you
should be better off of the quarterstaff. Hell, she'd be better off with
a fucking pocket knife. She wouldbe just stap that thing in the head
when it gets close to you,you know. Or I mean she could
always use a you know, Imean, if she really wants to do

(13:13):
that, she could go with amace. Maces are heavy, but they're
don't take require as much effort.We know that these walkers are old,
decrepit. It does not take aheavy item to bash their head in.
People stump their foot, yeah,So you don't need the heavy power of

(13:35):
a sledgehammer to do the job.You just don't need it, right,
you know. And and for someonewho is oxygen deprived, where every breath
is effort. This is a terribleweapon. Yeah, it's a bad idea.
So you let's say you get outof breath, and so what your

(13:56):
back's not your packs on your back. I mean for some reason, let's
say you're on your back and youcan't reach it, or you know,
something happens and your cord gets tangled. I mean, any reason this is
a bad choice, like that youwould need to grab oxygen at any moment.
Yeah, because you're swinging a sledgehammeraround and this is not a close

(14:18):
range weapon. No, I meanit, the closer an object is with
that sledgehammer, the harder it isto control the thing. You know,
it's stupid. You know, itneeds legitimately distance. You know, it's
it's not like a knife. It'sit's not versatal like a quarter staff.

(14:39):
It's not you know, even tryingto use it as a quarter staff wouldn't
work because it's so heavily weighted onone side. Yeah. You know,
even morgan stupid axe quarterstaff thing mademore sense than this thing does for her.
Yeah, I don't know. Theycan't make a lot of this stuff

(15:00):
makes sense. And I think that'smy biggest problem is when I see blaring
things that don't make sense. I'mlike, oh my god, that is
like the biggest issue for me.So when this little girl, Tracy leads
them to where quote unquote Alicia isright, another thing that does not make
sense. Why are you gonna trustthis dumb little girl? What makes you

(15:22):
think she knows number one? Andso you do follow her? And where
in the hell are you where it'sfrozen? Yeah? I was wondering that
myself because it didn't look frozen inthe previous scene. Well, and we
don't know how far they've gone,but it makes us that afternoon. Yeah,

(15:43):
I know, And I mean I'mtrying. So they're down in Louisiana.
Somewhere in Louisiana, there's somewhere inthe values and Wiley will occasionally get
a cold snap through there. Theyare rare and and you know this because
they all freak out and they don'thave anything to clean their roads with or

(16:06):
anything. If they even get alight dusting of snow, you gotta get
up like above Montgomery, Alabama.You know that somewhere in that parallel to
really start worrying about freezing, orsomewhere around Montgomery, as someone who's done
a lot of traveling north and southMontgomery is usually that you know that that

(16:32):
parallel right there is about where youhave to start worrying about freezing unless you're
up in like the foothills or somethingof you know, Tennessee or Kentucky.
Okay, but we know that Troywas using that as like a holding place,
right he intended to use those walkersto take over the hotel, I

(16:55):
mean, or what you call it, Padre Andre. And so it's not
that far. It's not that far, No, And I think for it
to have that type of frost andfor it to permanently stay frozen, I
still don't think they're north enough.No, they're not. Even if it

(17:15):
freezes overnight, it's gonna thaw everyday exactly. Yeah. I mean for
them to be for it to besoggy enough for them to to have gotten
stuck, but cold enough for themto be frozen. It's not Louisiana.
Another thing. Make it make sense, people. This is the dumbest thing

(17:37):
to me. It's so stupid.It's like they're just trying to like get
some cool stuff, throw it inthe pan, and let's just do it.
Because it could be cool, right, Yeah, I mean I don't
know. I mean, because Iknow Louisiana in those adjacent areas, they

(17:59):
don't. I mean they get occasionalfreezes, but that's what they are,
occasional, and they don't last forvery long. I mean, it gets
cold down there, don't get mewrong. It can get cold, but
it doesn't it doesn't generally dip tofreezing. I mean, and that's a
hard freeze where the feet can't move. Yeah, you know, I mean

(18:21):
I've been in I've been in NewOrleans in January wearing a short sleeved shirt
and you know, capriz and Iwas comfortable. I mean, it got
a little brisk at night, butI mean we're talking like fifty maybe forty
mm hmm, and that's January,right, So you know, I don't

(18:45):
know, I don't. Yeah,I mean, it would have been better
if they had, I don't know, put them in a in a corral
or some kindaley or something. Idon't know. Yeah, the quarry would
be good. You know, theycould have let them down into a quarry

(19:06):
and then blocked off, you know, them getting back out something anything besides
that dumb stuff. Yeah, andobviously you know they're all supposed to be
stuck, but now they're getting themselvesloose. So right, you know now
that it's convenient for them to getloose. They could have gotten loose at

(19:26):
any point apparently, Yeah, butnow it's a perfect time. So oh
it's fine. Yeah, fun.And why would this kid even know where
Alicia is? She can't know.That's why I'm like, Okay, So
we find out that that's the child'smother, which I kind of thought.

(19:47):
I'm like, obviously they think thatMadison killed her mother. That's what I
thought, right, And the explanationthat the child gave was the dumbest shit
I ever heard. So because theywere symbols or things they believed in that
her mother believed in. Now it'sher fault that her mother died. Yeah,

(20:07):
that everyone deserves a second chance,and that's why your mom is dead.
And so now you deserve to diebecause she believed what you said?
Is she she thought like you did? That is the dumbest I was expecting.
Oh, you killed my mother,you stabbed her, you shot her,
you did something? Yeah, somethingyou know it was. And how

(20:30):
does she even because young, howdoes she even know? Well there's that
and the fact is so the implicationis is at some point this woman came
in contact with Madison, so fromwhere we don't know from, maybe the
farm, and I don't even knowanything about the farm except for what they

(20:53):
talked about on this episode. Iteven been directly, it could have been
her video, right, could havebeen her video. It could have been
anything. Mm hmm. So howwas this Madison's fault because another person chose
to follow her philosophy, which,honestly, once I started trying to consider,

(21:15):
how could that be her fault?It made me wonder if Troy's just
lying to the little girl, likehonestly, Troy killed her mother, and
it was like, oh, it'sMadison's fault, Yeah, like brainwashed her
or something. And that's definitely apossibility as well. And the fact that

(21:37):
I mean, if this woman meantso much to him, why did he
leave her in a herd of Walker'syes, and why did he cut her
arm off? Exactly? If tworats asked about that lady, he probably
didn't even know her that well.I am convinced that it was pure accident.
He came across this kid and hedecided, Okay, I'll look out

(22:00):
for the child. I do.I do wonder why he gave her that
that necklace though that was creepy.Maybe just another feeding into his delusions.
You know, I don't know whoknows what he told her about that necklace,
right, you know, but itwas Alicia's because what's his name,

(22:25):
Victor gave it to her. Andyou know he's flipping out because of the
necklace. This doesn't make sense.So why would Okay, so let's think
about it at the most basic level. Okay, so you know Alicia thought
like her mom, and you blameher mom for your mother's death. Why

(22:45):
would you want to wear the necklacethat belonged to Alicia? What would make
you think that's a cool thing towear? I don't know. It mean,
she didn't seem surprised when Pacher said, you know that this has belonged
to Alicia because he had given itto her, right, She wasn't surprised,
not at all, you know.And I I don't know, I

(23:11):
don't. I don't get any ofthis, you know. And I guess
he's been doing sort of a sortof whisper thing by bringing this herd across
the country and just decimating everyone withit. We can't find a home.
I'm sorry. These dudes do notseem smart enough to be able to pull
that off successfully. I know.So I don't know if they're intentionally just

(23:34):
baiting them to keep them following behindor what the deal is, but apparently
they're using you know, because Iguess he used a horde of walkers to
take out the farm. Yeah.I don't know. I only know that
because of what's his name talking abouthis daughter's death. You know, she

(23:56):
chose to stay behind to try andsave the farm. Yeah, I don't
know. It just all is Lucygoosey with the plot, yeah, with
the motivations, and then we haveeveryone showing up at the gas station.
All right, yes and so,and I guess that she had most of

(24:17):
her people where all the people youknow, hidden off here and yonder,
and then Troy just strets on up. I'm gonna take your stuff at that
point that you can't tell me thatthere's not one person in that entire group
that couldn't have been a sharpshooter andshot that man in the head. Because

(24:41):
we've already established everyone has agreed,everyone's established everyone who's interacted with him has
said the exact same thing. Hecan't be trusted and he's psychotic, So
yeah, why not just shoot himin the head, don't negotiate with him,
kill them. Yeah, it doesn'tmake sense, None of it does.

(25:03):
And I know they're trying to stretchthis out, and I think they
would have done it more successfully if, like you said, like what if
Troy was always heard but not seenbut for a handful of times, right,
that might be harder because you can'tcatch him, you don't know where
he is. Type of feeling theycan even it could be one of those

(25:26):
things where you know, they getrumors that someone is decimating communities along the
routes that what's your name is establishedon our trucker routes. Hey there's some
kind of new menace. There's someonecoming up. You know, we don't
know who it is, or maybethey do know who it is. It's
Troy, but they can't quite findhim. But he's just you know,

(25:52):
killing off people's left and right,you know, swaths of communities. At
that point, then all the communityher you know, the padre and all
the other outlying communities have a reasonto get together to stop this guy,
right mm hm. And I thinkthat would have been actually a little more
entertaining than all of that, becausethey're all just fighting each other at this

(26:15):
point. No one is agreeing onhow anything is supposed to be done.
Everyone's accusing someone else of just notdoing you know, right by someone else,
and oh my god, get ittogether right. It's a mess.
It's a and honestly, you knowwhat, none of thinking about this whole

(26:38):
cast, right, all the individualcharacters, with exception of I'd say maybe
Victor and Madison they're a little morecopathetic. But everyone kind of hates everyone.
Yeah, everyone, Like everyone's gottheir problem with someone else. Yeah,

(27:00):
And that's what I'm saying every Yeah, there's all this. So we
got the the German people from youknow, from the resort you know there,
they don't trust the people from Padre, and you know, the people
from pre Padre are having issues becauseof Strand. And then they're gonna turn
over Strand, which is gonna causea whole bunch of more issues because you

(27:22):
know, they've got all the people, all the Germans there. Now,
what do they think was gonna happenwith that? Oh wait, so I
guess June and to White and shareyou it, like, are they the
only adults in Padre because when theycame back, you know, here without
somebody watching you. But yet thenthe little girl Dove I think her name

(27:45):
is, she goes we the kidscould have been in charge basically and pictures
like your kids, right, Butthey had been in charge. I get
that. But were there no otherreal adults around. I don't know.
Were they it? I don't know, I don't know. I don't know.
Because if Victor is the only himand his friends are the only adults,

(28:07):
then of course naturally he's gonna comein there and do what he sees
fit right, and his family andfriends are gonna follow his lead. Now
I know that you know those thoseparents that were picked up by uh guy

(28:29):
with the hat, the beanie killer, uh Daniel Daniel. Yeah, so
we know Daniel had gathered up agroup of parents. We know those group
of parents did join Padre M there'swhat maybe twenty five of them or so.
Yeah, So there was those Andthe implication is is, you know,

(28:49):
after they've been in charge there andsending out this message, hey,
we might have your kid come checkit out. I would assume more parents
had shown because there was a lotof them wandering around out there looking for
their kids. But it's also possiblethat some of them, after they retrieved

(29:10):
their child left, Yeah totally,they might not want to hang around exactly.
So I don't know. I mean, there could be fifty to one
hundred adults. It could just bethe kids that haven't been claimed yet.
I don't know. Yeah, wedon't have a good grasp of who all
is there exactly, which kind ofmakes all of this other stuff still not

(29:33):
make sense really, Like, howcould Victor and his people just come in
there, because it didn't seem likeit was that many of them either,
Like when they were at the resort, it seemed like it was a lot
right enough for them to have awhole like sports team. Yeah, but
then when we see them now,I guess they're just around. We don't

(29:53):
really know how many people they have. I don't Yeah, and with the
implication of a you know, therewas school and there was sports teams teams
not team. Yeah, you knowthat that implies that there was you know,
at least what thirty fifty kids thereto have teams and have multiple teams

(30:15):
in which to play against. It'sso stupid. I just I don't know.
I mean, and I would assumethat everyone, you know, they
took their kids to Podre to mixwith the other kids at Padre. But
I mean when we did that,when they did that first walk through of

(30:36):
the resort, I was estimating atleast two hundred people. And the reason
for that is just because of youknow, the amount of activity, and
everywhere we looked there was someone different. So there were people working in the
garden, there were people in thekitchen, there were people serving food.
You know, there was school teachers, there were you know, people wandering,

(30:56):
were Victor's people, you know.I mean, I'm just talking at
the at the resort. Okay,you know, so I'm I would estimate
probably about two hundred or so,and along with quite a few kids.
So because again we've got teams ofsports playing at this point, I think

(31:21):
it's all soccer. But even still, unless you're gonna keep playing the same
team over and over again, whichI suppose they could do. But it
sounded more like there was several ofthem when they were talking about it in
that first episode. And I don'tknow, I just but now it's those
people with implant then on pod right, Yeah, and I guess they went

(31:45):
right to work, handing peaches andeverything exactly. But as far as the
rest of the adults, I haveno idea that you know, we haven't.
That was actually our first look atPadre this season, right, and
we don't. The implication was isthere were more people there. There were
and there was a ton of kids. Mm hmmm. Because when we did

(32:08):
when they did that first pass throughshowing us Padre, you know, all
the training grounds and all the differentkids and the different sections and the team
leaders and this, that and theother. I mean, there was a
ton of kids, like five hundredor more. Yeah, now it doesn't
seem like they're that many. Soand and that was and apparently there were

(32:31):
satellite facilities because they sent uh finchto one of the satellite ones, and
there was a hospital off, youknow, away from Padre somewhere, which
they haven't even mentioned since then.And I don't know what's going on with
that, or why the medical personnelhasn't all just been pulled back to Padre

(32:54):
or what the deal with that is. But there was a whole medical facility
somewhere, Yeah, I don't know. And there was the train too,
but that was a whole different thing. Yeah, I can't even I don't
know, so yeah, so honestly, so I still I want to talk
about some or more mess that Idon't quite grasp. Okay, the Alicia

(33:22):
fan club, uh huh. It'sin the Apocalypse I okay. So these
women they say that Alicia told themstories of strand before Troy killed her.
Uh huh, and they act indressed like her to quote keep her alive.

(33:43):
Uh huh. What? And thenin the same breath, the one
girl says, well, you know, I didn't know her very well.
I just knew her for a moment, right, she constantly moves around,
So what in that moment? WhyI don't understand. Well, at least
you get her antibiotics saved your life. Okay, that's not enough for me

(34:06):
to change how I dress and lookand act. I know that's like almost
cult like vibes, right, Butshe wasn't even around that long to impress
upon them to that extent. Sothis doesn't make sense to me. Well
and to face it. Well,and the one girl was talking about there's

(34:28):
marauders coming in and trying to takeover their community and what she single handedly
went in there and with their butts. I guess. I don't know.
I mean it sounds like she wasbetter too, yeah, you know,
and because he asked if she wasstill sick, I wouldn't know about that.
Well, you know what, youcould look at her and see if

(34:51):
she was sick, Like did shelook like death walking or not? Yeah?
I mean did she pro back up? I mean, was she pretty
act or was she you know,looking really you know, vampirey? We
didn't he inquiring minds want to knowabsolutely that whole thing. I mean,

(35:13):
he's in the van or whatever thatthing is called. He's in there asking
questions, and I'm like, theheck is going on here? Like,
I don't know. It just feltlike, well, how and how did
they even get the the vehicle back? I don't know? I mean,
did they just want to show thevehicle again to kind of remind us?

(35:37):
I mean, and they had itloaded with AMMO, but apparently they used
it all to kill those you know, those walkers on the road. And
then they're out of AMMO and theyhave to go get some more AMMA.
Where are they going to get moreAMMO for that thing? I don't know.
I don't even think they care,because all they want is for people
to believe that Alicia is still outthere helping, you know, keeping memory,

(35:57):
her memory intact and all this stuff. But again, why why I
am all about people's motivations for doingthings and her helping them for in their
own ways is great. I thinkthat's excellent, But I still stand by
the fact that is not enough forthe average person to just be like,

(36:20):
I'm just gonna pretend that I'm doingdeeds as Alicia and we're just gonna fake
it like she's still alive. Right, who thinks of that? Well,
no offense to anyone out there,but the fact that Strand thought the black
lady was Alicia for a minute makesme wonder about his eyesight. I don't

(36:44):
know, because it was enough todo it, I don't know. Yeah,
but you can't tell me that shewas. She's the only person that
puts a hoodie on if you thatthat thing on her, that contraption on
her hand as well. Yeah,and his first instinct probably was who all
stabbed someone in the head like that? Okay, I guess I'll give you

(37:07):
that one. I guess that makessense. But when he was looking up
at her, it wasn't until shetook you know, she took the thing
completely off her head. Oh you'renot Alicia. Good call good to be
able to see that, you cantell the difference, good to know,
good to know. Yeah, Imean, none of them honestly resemble her

(37:30):
that much, aside from the factthat they apparently used had their own little
arm thing in memory of her.Oh, let's go look in for clothes
and metal things to stick to ourhands so we can be like Alicia.
That sound like the dumbest Oh,like I said, cosplay the Apocalypse.

(37:52):
Yeah, yeah, and that's that'sexactly when when they unveiled the particular storyline,
they just want to add more peopleso they have more people to kill.
Yeah. And you know, inthe in the fact that, oh,
we listened to Madison's tape so muchthat it broke you know. Madison's

(38:15):
tape was okay, but honestly,there were better ones. Yeah, there
were. Morgan's actually was pretty good. Yeah, but they were obsessed with
Madison's tape because that was Alicia's mother. Yeah. But yeah, I mean
there was actually because I remember someof those interviews, and I mean she

(38:35):
had some really good ones. Youknow, I would love to see Alphia
again. Yeah, didn't she shetook off with her girlfriend. Yeah,
from up there with the h CRM. Yeah. I would love to see
her again, by the way,like that. I liked her character,
but we won't. She's gone.But yeah, And the thing that I

(38:59):
don't underst is Alicia didn't leave withthe m RAP. And that thing had
been left well about a season orso ago, because was it they it
basically became defunct. They couldn't getgas or whatever it was it was left,
it was left behind. How didthese chicks find the m RAP?

(39:20):
I don't know. And how didthey get it going? How they get
it going? I mean, asI understand, if I remember correctly,
they left it locked so no oneelse could get in there. Mm hmm.
You had to have one of thekeys, and I don't recall Alisha
having a key. I don't thinkthat mean either. So you know,
this isn't a vehicle. You're probablygonna just you know, Jimmy and hot

(39:44):
wire. I mean, I supposeyou could, but not more than once
or twice, because you know,hot wiring things isn't a good perforate solution.
So I don't know. I don'tknow how they got the machine.
I don't know how they nothing.It just doesn't make any sense. And
how would they even know that them rap was out there? I mean,

(40:05):
I guess Alicia could have told him. But at the same time,
God's sakes, I know, effort, man, effort, I know.
I'm telling you honestly, none ofthis stuff makes sense, like none,
and that's my that is my wholeproblem. And so to be fair,
I mean, this episode wasn't boring, right, it wasn't boring. I

(40:29):
was entertained enough, but I couldn'tget passed how stupid everything was. I'm
gonna be real truthful. I hadto pose it a couple different times and
go do something else, you know, for a little bit, because I'm
just like I can't handle the stupid. Okay, mm hmmm, that you
know, it wasn't so much thatI was bored as I was irritated.

(40:52):
Okay, the stupid was strong.It was it honestly was. I don't
know how the showrunners talk people intodoing this dumb ass storyline to end it.
I don't know how they did itbecause this sounds so stupid. Well,
and then when we go back,you know, let's go back to

(41:14):
you know, the shootout at theok Corral gas station. Oh gosh.
Right, And again, so nosnipers were used to get rid of Troy.
And then apparently, even though theseguys were massively outgunned, they decided
to open fire. And yet Troysurvived. The what's his name had a

(41:37):
gun directly on his face. Yes, and you're telling me he missed.
I know that sounds crazy, doesn'tit. You know, And they were
out, I mean, they wereoutgunned by the time the other people showed
up. It looked about at leasttwo to one, if not three to
one. Yeah, because they werecoming out like from all sides. Yeah,

(41:57):
I mean they were completely surrounded.Yeah, you know. And and
yet somehow, and and the excusewas it was it was like as if
they didn't care if they lived ordied. Well, great, kill them.
Yeah, yeah, I don't knowhow. I mean, so Troy
did lose some people, right,they did kill some of his people.

(42:17):
But I agree with you. Howdid Troy not at the very least get
severely injured? You know, Iguess they stole a vehicle. Well,
okay, good, I guess whateverit wasn't the semi And I don't know

(42:38):
again, I you know, yousee some casualties on both sides, but
honestly, and where did all thefire come from? Why was all that
fire? I don't know. Imean, fire needs to start from something.
I don't know. I just Idon't. I don't understand the after
scene. We didn't see the fight. And hang on a second, I

(43:00):
got a cough. I gotta ticklein my throat. It's killing me.
Anyway, we didn't see the fight, but there wasn't really all that much
flammable stuff around there. I mean, it's it's an empty parking lot,
for God's sakes, which, bythe way, I just want to comment
that I'm kind of disappointed we didn'tsee the fight. I feel like that

(43:22):
was kind of a cop out.Yeah, And so we pop back to
it and we have overturned vehicles andthings on fire from a gun fight.
How they spent so much money onthe stupid broken walkers? They couldn't.
But I I just I don't.I don't get it. Show us,

(43:46):
show us, that's how they needto make us get it. But they
didn't. They just skipped it andsaid here this is the result. Believe
it right, and and none noneof that layout made sense, because,
like I said, with the overturnedcars, mm hmm, did somebody have
grenades? I don't know, itdoesn't I mean, it doesn't make any

(44:07):
sense. And and and the fires, and and the and the flipped over
cars and and and and the additionaldestruction I from guns. None of that
should have been able to happen mmhmm. So and because we didn't get
to see the fight, it's hardto say the own I mean, I
suppose they could have had grenades,but they haven't used him up until now

(44:30):
as far as I know. Yeah, So I don't know. It just
none of it makes any sense.And and and again we still go back
to the whole Troy, we needa home. You had a home.
Apparently you've had many along the way, because now they're hearing the kind of
rumors of you know, from thewomen and stuff, basically Troy going through

(44:52):
and decimating entire communities. M m. So he could have had a home,
but instead they're you know, andI think that's just his excuse.
No matter where they end up,you know, because as soon as they
come in, they're like locus andthey destroy the place. Well, I
don't want this place. It brokeit, you know, okay, So

(45:13):
I can kind of okay, soI could maybe give them the pass on
some of the stuff if I wasgetting satisfaction out of the other storylines,
But unfortunately nothing is hitting nothing,So I'm not even convinced. Well,
I do feel like more than everthat Alicia needs to be alive and she

(45:34):
and her mother need to come together, but I don't think if that happens,
it's not going to be in anysatisfactory kind of way. We're not
going to be satisfied with it right. Whatever they choose to do, the
audience is going to be like,what a lutdown? Yeah, so we're
not getting it there. Maybe Troywill finally be dead at the end of
this and we can get some satisfactionon that dragging this out for episode after

(46:02):
episode after episode, but I don'tknow. I feel like the only way
this show can end and not feellike total bs is for all these people
that hate each other to go theirseparate ways. Now that rude? Does
that mean? Well? I meanthe hostility between the groups honestly doesn't even

(46:25):
make any sense. I don't understandwhy what's her name is so mad at
the survivors from Padre because she wasworking for Padre too. I don't know,
they were all working for Padre.You can't be holier than now if
you're all doing the same thing.Except for her going. Well, we

(46:46):
were building, you know, thereare you know, the roads and the
fact that she lose your R roads. You can use R roads, dude,
there's roads everywhere. Get over yourself, right. But I can see
Lucy and Daniel going back to theirlittle corner, you know, the other

(47:07):
three, you know, June andDwight and Sherry, them staying on Padre
and Victor his husband and son.In that group, they may stay or
they may go. I can andof course you know Madison Lee's and she
finds Alicia. That's how I seeit ending. I don't see a happy

(47:28):
family type meal or anything crazy likethat at the end of this group.
I don't see it. No.Well, and even the whole vision of
what Padre was supposed to be,we've already we've established now in this season,
even with all those cargo containers,even with all those supplies and the
mandate to rebuild civilization. This iswhere they're This is what they're doing.

(47:52):
I know. And honestly, thefact that they keep regurgitating the fact that
they're doing from for Alisha. Thisis Alicia's dream. I'm kind of sick
to death of hearing that as wellwell, because before Alicia died, it
was even Madison's dream alive. Everythingthey do right first is Madison, and

(48:15):
now it's flipped to Alicia, becauseeven when Madison was about to kill Tracy,
she's like, I feel like Strayawas like Alicia wouldn't want this,
right, you know, they're alwaysdoing all these things. Oh well,
we have to keep Alicia's memory,like, well, great, Alicia's memory

(48:37):
was to build communities. You haveall those flipping cargo containers. You have
an entire cargo ship of cargo containersfull of supplies. Mm hmm. And
the only one that has, youknow, that's done anything with any of
the cargo containers is you know,Luciana. Seriously, and you guys are

(48:59):
have done what in the last sixmonths to a year or whenever it was,
how far however long it was fromthe last time we checked in with
them, Right, I've done nothingother than Madison sending out those stupid repeater
message we have your kids maybe,you know, right, And that's it.
They haven't, do the best ofmy knowledge, they haven't established a

(49:21):
new camp anywhere else. They haven'tmade contact with any other groups. They
haven't brought in any supplies. Theyhaven't even supplied Louisiana with anything. She's
using the ones that she found.Yeah, and if they are, it's
not a priority for the story tobe that to be told to us because
it doesn't matter. You know.But if this whole, you know,

(49:42):
oh, this is what Alicia wouldhave wanted. Alicia would have wanted them
to build all of this, andthey would have been like, you know,
again, this may even if theydidn't show the building, they could
have said, you know, westarted, you know, we helped this
community in this community and all theseother communities, and we're all banding together
and then Troy comes along, andagain it could have been Troy going through

(50:04):
and starting to trash all the communitiesthey've helped, and that's when they come
in that okay, fine, butthis is just dumb. Yeah, it
doesn't really, it's not hitting,it's not making sense. I don't know.
I don't even have really, Imean, other than what I just
said about the group splitting up,I don't have any predictions or excitement for

(50:30):
these final two episodes. I'm curiousto see what's actually gonna happen versus what
I think is gonna happen. ButI'm just feeling like it's gonna fall flats,
you know, I don't. Ihave no expectations because no one has
done anything that makes sense this entiretime. Yeah, and no one's actionly

(50:55):
rational or making logical decisions or evensurvivor decisions. They're just you know,
the do you ever see a moamana moana? Thank you? With the
chicken? A little chicken that runsaround and just kind of keeps running into

(51:17):
things. That's what these people remindme of right now, that chicken.
And I feel you know, honestly, I feel bad for the actors because
I don't think they're doing a badjob, but they just have this stupid
these these scripts. Yeah, youknow, they only can work with what
they they're given. And this storyisn't good. The story is not good.

(51:44):
It's not gelling. Nope. Ifeel bad for them, Like you
guys are going out like this,you know, it kind of sounds it
almost feels like an Ai wrote theprogram. Oh my, I hope not.
But you know it just because thatwas part of what, you know,

(52:04):
the whole writers strike and everything wasabout, was shows like this,
you know, starting to turn toAI to make the scripts. And if
they did that, I wouldn't approve, but at least it would make sense.
I don't know. I feel likethe AI isn't that advanced yet.
It would need a lot of work, a lot of tweaking. Oh yeah,

(52:28):
but you don't. Oh yeah,but this is a whole big thing
now because they're writing books, andAmazon and everyone else's we're all scrambling to
keep AI from legitimately publishing books.Well, you know what is even come
into the podcast arena because I wason a podcast group and someone had posted
that they had published several AI createdand AI Voices podcast and I listened one

(52:57):
voice. I couldn't tell any otherI could, but it's kind of taking
over everything, Like people aren't evenwriting their own podcast scripts anymore. Well,
it's we we had so new technology. One of my authors was the
very first one to beta test thisthing. Uh, there's a company called
Bookshelfy or book Selfie sorry, andthey have an AI book reviewer now hmmm.

(53:25):
And and I listened to the book. I listened to it because they
do it live on a on astreaming thing on Saturdays, and it was
fairly insightful but a little creepy.Yeah, because you know, you're not

(53:45):
with the AI. It's not amatter of programming. It's you know,
they they dumped the book into itand it tells you whatever. So yeah,
AI is really it's they're they're gettingthere, So yeah, I don't
know. But anyway, I thisscript is just bad. It's just bad.
It is bad, and it's reallyunfortunate because I don't know, I'm

(54:07):
ready for it to be over.For the amount of money that AMC dumps
into the show or all these youknow, into this universe, you would
think that they would pay for goodwriting, you would think. But I
think that they're kind of getting andthey have been right because none of these
shows have really been very consistent,not in my opinion, even in the

(54:31):
more spinoffs, it's not been likea five star full season. But some
have done better than others, youknow, like Jerald Dixon has been better
than others. Yeah, but evenin the flagship show, it was not
consistent throughout. So they always kindof struggled with in this world with the

(54:54):
writers in the plot and paysing andeverything, all things they've kind of struggled
with. You can tell, youcan pretty much tell when they ran out
of source material. Yeah, youknow, kind of like a game Game
of Thrones. You could definitely tellwhy when they ran out of source material.
Yeah, and now they're trying tomake up their own and it's not

(55:15):
going well. Yeah. You know, honestly, what they should have done
is they should have just hired thecomic book creators to continue the story.
Or maybe they should have just stucka little closer to the story instead of
trying to get rid of actors.Yeah, you know, so I don't
know, I don't know. It'sa whole thing. And yeah, I'm

(55:37):
just I'm looking forward to, youknow, the ones who live, but
I am ready to be done withthis particular show. See, I'm also
feeling excited for the ones who live, but but are the ones that live
whatever it is. I am alsonervous that I don't want to have this

(55:59):
expectation that it's going to be good, or have this expectation that, oh,
you know, I heard that theone who plays Michone, she's written
some of the script. I hearm hm, and I've heard, you
know, some of the other peoplewe like, you know, have come
through and directed some episodes. SoI don't know. I don't want to

(56:21):
get excited. I think it's goingto be great. I mean, the
bar is set, you know,with us having Dead City and then Darryl
Dixon. The bar is set,and it's kind of high. So I
hope it doesn't crash and burn.I really don't want to crash and burn.
I'm hoping, but I'm really tryingto adjust the expectations so I can
enjoy it more. And I willsay this, from the very beginning,

(56:44):
Fear of the Walking Dead has alwaysstruggled. They had a few stellar seasons
in the Center. Not stellar,but they had good seasons in the Center.
But and I will say that itup until the time they killed off
Madison was crap, and it waspretty good after she was dead, and

(57:06):
now that she's back, it's againcrap. Yeah. Yeah, I don't
like her as an actress, youknow, or at least in this I
don't like this character anyway. Inever understood why people screamed so much to
bring Madison back, because I've neverliked her as a character, I found
her annoying, and her with VictorI found really annoying. And uh,

(57:31):
yeah, I don't know. AndI did even you know, in the
season before this, when they firstbrought Madison, you know, oh,
look it's Madison. You could almostIt's almost like it just hollowed everything else
out. I know. I agree. I wasn't excited for Madison either,

(57:52):
And I was not in the wholeTwitter sphere of people who really loved Matti,
and so I didn't see a lotof that on my feed because that's
not my people, right, SoI didn't get the excitement. But I
was kind of like, Okay,if this is what the showrunners want to

(58:13):
do, then maybe they know somethingI don't. But it didn't. In
my opinion, it was I wouldhave been just fine without her in the
last episodes. Yeah, absolutely,So I don't know. I guess we've
got next week. We get adoubleheader, Yes, so ahead plan to

(58:35):
watch ahead in case it's hard.Yeah, and uh we'll go from there.
My plan is to watch Sunday morningjust in case it takes me a
few hours. I'm gonna have todo it Sunday afternoon, you know,
because I technically work on Sunday.Excuse me, I work on Sundays.
Uh huh. So we'll see.I'll fit it into my schedules somehow,

(58:59):
even if I have to stay uppath the night and drink a lot of
coffee. I'll do it. Butyou're like, I'll do it, but
I won't like it. That's right, kick it and screaming. I'll be
watching it. Oh my gosh.I guess we'll have to see. We'll
have to see, right. Sowish us all luck. I wish you

(59:19):
guys luck too. So hopefully whenwe meet up next week, tell us
how you feel. Mm hmm.Yeah. Please do leave comments on this
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(59:42):
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What do you think, Lisa?Oh god, yes, a fun
hour of complaining. This has beenour thing lately. We just can for
sixty minute. Well, there's somecommiseration going on there yes, you know

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