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Speaker 1 (00:10):
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(00:30):
Dixon season two, subtitled as The Book of Carol, Episode one.
For those of you joining us live today, thanks for
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(00:53):
co host Lisa Welcome.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Back, Lisa, Hey, Tamar, Hey everyone. My name is Lisa Orban.
I'm an author. I'm also the founder of Indies United
publishing house, and I love all things pop culture. So
if you'd like to find me, you can find me
pretty much everywhere at least an urban author or at
Indies United pub.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
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Speaker 2 (01:32):
Right, Lisa, absolutely camera. This is a conversation, not a dissertation. Right.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
No scene by scene breakdowns here. We jump around and
of course huge boiler alert for everything every show in
the world through yesterday's episode. So if you're cool with
that is the place for you, and let's just jump
into it. Wow, it's been a long time since we
said that.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
I know it really has been.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
Oh, okay, are you ready to talk about this show?
Are you ready to do it? I am ready to
ror Okay, So before we get into the details, high level,
did you like it?

Speaker 2 (02:12):
I I wasn't unhappy with it, Okay, I mean, was
it a great piece of Masterpce theater. No, but we
have seen a lot worse.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
True. Yeah, that's facts. I'm with you on that. I personally,
when I finished watching I thought that Darryl's parts were
extremely boring to me, and I enjoyed Carroll's parts, so
I'm like, oh, no, that can't be good. It's his show.

(02:50):
But you know, we're focusing on Carroll, so maybe that's
the point. But I had to rewatch too because I
was so bored with some of his stuff. So yeah,
that says something. But it was fine. High level was fine.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
I'm gonna be real truthful. The French is because I've
been watching you with the the audio titles, you know, subtitles. Yeah,
so when the French comes on, things get really weird.
So you know, I'm like and sometimes I'm just like, yeah,

(03:31):
I don't really care. Yeah it's okay, it's okay.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
I know I can't. Maybe I'm you know, I didn't
really love all the French stuff last season, and I
think I'm gonna feel that way again. But I'm going
into this season trying to be as positive as I can,
trying to give the show the benefit of the doubts,
you know, And I know it won't be as good

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as the ones who live, right. I know, we know it.
It's not going to be as good. It's just it
can't be. But I'm trying to, you know, see what
the showrunners and the actors have served up for us
without any prey negativity.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
I will say apparently reviewers that have been allowed to
see the whole season, yeah, have said that it comes
to a very satisfying conclusion.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Okay, I've heard some other interesting things, and I didn't
hear afying conclusion, but I did hear some regression of
characters and some other things that I may not enjoy.
But I don't know. We're gonna see. I only got
mild spoilers, you know, nothing too crazy, but they are

(04:46):
out there, guys. So if you're trying to avoid spoilers,
just be careful because a lot of people have seen
this whole season and.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
I've been yeah, when I was the things that I'm reading,
I'm trying not to get into two in depth ones
mm hmmm, because I don't want the spoilers. I'd like
to be surprised. And uh so, yeah, I they were
just giving some general overviews that generally people found the
season good and it came to a satisfying conclusions. I'm like, Okay,

(05:17):
that's good enough, you know.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
Wow, Okay, so they're saying it's good mm hmm, Okay,
that's great. I hope I think so too, because Laura
knows we can complain if you if you're new, you
haven't been introduced to that yet, but you will be.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
I gotta tell you that. So watching Carol's side of
it all, like the song Signs was going through my head,
Signs Signs everywhere sign because there's always moments where it's
hearkening back to her past. M hm. So you know,

(05:57):
we we've got, you know, the barn scene with her daughter,
which was just awful. I mean it was good, No,
I mean I really liked it. It was just that
was a heartbreaking scene the first time around.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
And you know the you know, the flower the Gypsy Rose,
you know that Darryl had given to her, saying that
you know, this is this, you know, maybe proving that
her your daughter is still out there. And then there
was the music box singing you or my Sunshine, which

(06:31):
was something she's saying to her daughter. So there's all
these kickbacks, you know, even the at the end when
they're up in the plane m hm and he's like,
you know, just breathe in, breathe out, and she turns,
I mean abruptly and looks at it because that's what
they were saying, that's what was playing when she crashed

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the car.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Yeah, I thought that. I'm like, oh, he is like
literally verbatim eating back to her literariness of it.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
And that's really the first time she really reacted to that,
you know, to the outside influence of those throwbacks. But
I have a feeling that this season is going to
be a lot of Carol coming to terms with Carol.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Interesting. So do you think that they're going to make
changes to her character? Do you think she's gonna change
in a way that we might not like?

Speaker 2 (07:35):
You know, I mean, you and I have talked about
this before, when it comes She's never really come to
terms with a lot of the things that's after her.
You know, she's lost a son, she's lost a daughter,
look at the flowers, you know. So you know, Carol

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has done some really awful things to stay alive, to
save others, to you know, and she's always been except
for that brief moment when she was living in that
house alone before Ezekiel pulled her out of it. That's
her really the only time she's had a moment to

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stop and reflect on anything which is and she still
wanted more time, and no one was giving it to her.
So she has a lot. She's got a lot of
baggage to process that she's never really had the chance
to process.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
Well, I guess on screen, yes, But if we go
with the timeline, I guess she might have had a
little bit of time after the end of the main show. Yeah,
to sit with things.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
I guess, yeah, but she really didn't have that much
time before she went looking for Darryl.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yeah. I don't know. I feel like I I'm right now,
I am buying it right, because two things can be
true right about her. She could have not dealt with
her past appropriately and still be the force that she
is right now, Like how she straight up lied to Ash,
Like she totally manipulated that guy. And I'm surprised she

(09:19):
would use her own daughter to do it, but she did.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Like she feels bad about it.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
She might, but she won't tell the truth, not if
it's gonna endanger her plan.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah, or what are they gonna do as they hit France?

Speaker 1 (09:35):
Oh my god, that poor guy. He's gonna be so mad.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
He's gonna be so mad.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yeah, I don't know. Actually, you know, I wonder about him,
Like is he going to even survive this season? Are
they gonna use him, you know as zombie babe? You
know what is gonna happen? Will he make it out
of the season that's gonna be Do you have a
guess on that?

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Every time in except for like the previews for next week,
all the once, she's you know, across the ocean. It's
just Carrol By herself.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
So either he is, she's got him holed up somewhere,
you know, keeping the plane safe, which I mean is possible.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
That's a two seater plane, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Uh, there's room for three mm hmm. Okay, I mean
it wouldn't be a comfortable ride, but there's.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
No over over the ocean. I can't imagine. Okay, so
you know. Side note note, I did watch the Little
After Show thing and the people running the show seem
to think that they did their research and while it
would be very difficult, well, that kind of plane could
make that journey.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Yeah, it is improbable, they said, but.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Not impos right, not impossible, And to be quite frank,
I would freak the hell out thinking about going across
the ocean in that thing. I can't imagine. There's got
to be another way. I can't. It seems so crazy
to me, like insane to do that.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Well, my first thought was, instead of chasing down the plane,
why didn't she go back down to ocean side and
just borrow her boot.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
She could have That might have made more sense.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
But it would have taken longer.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
It would have, but you know, when you have to,
I guess, yeah, definitely would have taken longer. You're right.
And then the sail is longer than flying, so.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
I mean it's not I mean, it wouldn't be horribly long,
but it would be be about a month or two.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
Mm hm hm.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
I mean, and truthfully it would be. It could be
just as dangerous on that boat on the ocean, like
and like you pointed out, there's no weather forecast, there's
no NORAD, there's no anything. You're just weighing it. So
I mean, a boat could be just as dangerous as
a plane.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
I think a plane is worse. Like for example, if
you run, okay, let's say you get turned around, you
don't know which way you're going. You could be out
there and run out of gas. You're gonna crash period
into the ocean.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
He does have all those extra canisters. I would imagine
that if they start, if they really actually got low,
he would just land.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
I would hope. I don't know, you know, it seems
a little far fetched, but you know, so many things
with this show, it's so far fetched. I'm trying to
just you know, roll with it. But I thought it
was kind of crazy. I'm like, Wow, she really gonna
get in that little teeny plane and convince this guy
to go across the ocean?

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Mm hmm. You know she has done technically crazier things.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah, I mean, and she.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Apparently has never been on a plane, so she's getting
for a hell of a ride. But yeah, I mean,
as far as Ash is concerned, I'm hoping what happens
is she stashes him somewhere and says, keep the plane safe,
don't let anyone take it. But I you know, this

(13:36):
is the Walking Dead, so more than likely he's you know, zombie.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
He can be toast. Or he decides to leave her
and go back after he finds out that she lied.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yeah, I mean that's possible too.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, because I mean he left his home, you know,
his child's you know, burial thing. He just kind of
threw it up to the you know, through caution to
the wind to help her find her long lost daughter.
That would oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
Although I mean considering how they left, you know, with
the lightning striking his generator.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
It's all burnt down.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Probably anyway, he would have had to evacuate anyway, at
least temporarily.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Carol is like walking trouble. Like he helps her, and
then his whole world crumbles.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
I know, right, He's like.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
I been just fine. He comes back, you know, the
zombies are all you know, the Walkers are all in
the greenhouse thing. She's like, what did you do? Like,
I out this one chick and just the rest is,
you know, trash. His whole life trashed. I feel like
I do feel bad for that character. I guess we'll see.

(14:54):
And for that matter, in that matter alone, I hope
they keep him around so we actually have time to
like him and stuff.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yeah, I am going to point out that every time
anyone from the main any of the main characters, or
the group from the main walking did interact with any
other community that may have been up to that point,
Stable does not remain that way.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
That's true. They just they're walking trouble.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
And it doesn't matter where I mean technically the governors,
you know, little fightd him. While it wasn't great, I mean,
people enjoyed it. You know, he was a terrible person.
But for the most you know, they enjoyed their ice cream.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah they did.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
I'm just saying, you know, the Commonwealth again not wasn't great,
but they were enjoying the cookies and you know, and
cake and so yeah. I just you know, anytime these
guys interact with any other culture, doesn't matter. If they
were stable to begin with, they aren't by the time
they're done with them.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
No, they coming in Brackett Like, it's totally crazy how
that happens. But I don't know, We'll see, We'll see
what happens. I really, you know, I guess I did
kind of miss Carol's character because, like I mentioned earlier,
when we first started, I did enjoy all of the
scenes that she did, even when she was like I

(16:22):
was talking to the screen a little bit with her
lying and doing all this crazy stuff. But I really liked,
you know, McBride's acting. I'm like, okay, yeah, I can
see her on this show. I was feeling it.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Oh yeah, I mean, she she really did a good job.
I mean, and she's a character that you and I
have you know, have often liked even when Carol's being bad,
you know, we still like her.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Yeah. And I'm fearful, though, Lisa, that what we or
what I thought might happen, is going to happen where
she's gonna steal the show and no one is going
to care about Darryl or you know, his stuff is
going to be so whack until they're together again. I

(17:08):
just I don't know, like she can totally outshine him.
I feel like.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
What I'm hoping is is that they are together by
episode three.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Hmm. Maybe I guess she'll get a clue about where
he's at some kind of way.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yeah, and I mean, I I mean, it's possible that
they won't interact with each other until the very end,
but I don't know. I just I have a feeling that,
I mean, it's kind of like they did with you know,
on The Ones Who Lived. I really thought it would
be longer before micheone and Ray got together, but that

(17:53):
worked out really well. Yeah, I did, So I'm kind
of hoping they'll go You know, that was a pretty
good idea, that they don't draw it out over the
whole season, you know, because I know people want to
see the two of them together.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Oh absolutely, yeah they do. And I you know what,
you know, the people who are just really feigning for
them to be together are the people that think they're
supposed to be a couple and they're not.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
They're not. They're best friends.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
Yeah. So from what I hear, the Carollers is that
what they call them. They're already on a rampage on
X that's what I hear. Oh jeez, they're back at it.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
You know. I don't understand why they won't just let
them be good friends.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
I don't know, it's weird.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
I mean, I have a good male friend. We've been
friends for We met each other in nineteen ninety three,
so it's been a very long time that I know
if I came up missing, he would cross the world
look for me. I know this power, no power, And

(19:06):
it doesn't mean that at the end of it, we're
going to be a couple, you know, right, my best friend,
and he would kept looking for me, and I would
go looking for him.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
You know. That's what you do for your friends, right,
especially your best friend.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
You do that, you know, And I mean Darryl is
her best friend. So, I mean, I just I don't
understand why people just won't let them be best friends.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yeah, it's weird. And actually I haven't been on X
for a couple of weeks. I deleted it from my device.
I'm so sick of that app. So I didn't see
it firsthand, but I heard about it, and I'm like, oh,
I'm glad I didn't see it because the stuff is ridiculous.
And you know that when they come back together and
nothing happens but them being friends, the people are gonna

(19:56):
lose it and it's gonna be funny. They shouldn't. They
should just let it go. I agree, let it go.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
I mean, just let them be really good. There's nothing
wrong with the two of them being really good friends.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah. And plus, you know he's into Isabelle, right is
not her name? Well, yeah, he's into her, and unless
you know, they kill her off, she's going to be
around so.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Well, and you know he's had other interests, you know. Yeah,
and you know he's never you know since what would
have been season three when they were looking for her daughter,
there was that that mild hit at the time, like, Okay,
I could kind of see them maybe the two of them.

(20:47):
But then after that, I'm like, no, they're just they're
just friends and people need to come they need to
come to grips with this. They just need to come
to terms with it and accept it.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
And move on. Because like back then, like, wasn't he
like into Beth? He was? Yeah, and then of course
he had his x resurface. Who else was he into?
He had a couple maybe one more forgetting so lady yeah,
the soldier lady m hm. So yeah, it's never it

(21:17):
was never gonna be them together. It was never gonna
be that way, right, So, plus Carol's so much older
than him.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah, I just you know, I mean they're good together,
but again, they're good together as friends.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
That's like her little brother or something.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Can't she's the big sister right now, she's going to
look for him.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, Okay, well we'll see what happens. We
know they're gonna come together, hopefully sooner than later. Because
I agree, if it was like the last episode, that's
gonna be a long time of watching two different stories
and it was gonna get boring.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Yeah, and you can already see that the head priest there,
the head Hans show where Darryl's at. He's doesn't know
quite where to fit Daryl into things, you know what.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
Oh yeah, thanks Karana Kannie. Yeah, he wasn't to Connie,
but that never happened. I was sad, okay, But back
to what you were saying. Yeah, that priest guy and
whoever that woman was who was talking to him. Yeah,
I was like, what is this exactly? It's feeling like
really culty it is, And.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
I mean I don't know why. The way that she's
making it sounded like almost like are you playing and
sacrificing you? What are you doing? You know?

Speaker 1 (22:45):
Yeah, it seems weird. So whatever ceremony they have to do,
I'm like, what are they gonna do to him? It's weird.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
So if whatever it is is, he's very hesitant about
doing it, yeah, what is kind of making me a
little nervous because I'm like, you know, if they were
just gonna, you know, install him as the god king
everor well, I mean, well it'll be a little over
the top. I mean, it wouldn't hurt him, but the

(23:17):
way he was acting about it, it almost sounded like
it's gonna be something brutal.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Yeah, it's gonna be strange, Like what if they try
to kill him or something like as a sacrifice or something.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
I feel like it's gonna be something strange, and this
guy is going to help him escape. Yeah, maybe it's
not going to be that bad, but it's something that
he's gonna help him leave. Well.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
From the uh, the previews for you know, the upcoming
you know the seasonal preview m hm, it seemed like
they were allowing allowowing him to get kidnapped.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Yeah, which, okay, which is the plot device that I
kind of hate. That is the typical plot device to
I don't know. I just feel like it's the stupidest one.
Who would kidnap him? And why? And who would allow
him to be kidnapped or offer him up to be kidnapped?
I don't it sounds like it's gonna I don't know.

(24:24):
I don't like the kidnapping plots. I just don't. It's stupid.
I'm already calling it stupid and I don't even know
the reason.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
Okay, let's go back to Carol did a good job?

Speaker 1 (24:38):
Look have I hate to be the negative Nancy, but
I'm like, damn, Okay, and Okay, so this is gonna
take us back to the beginning. But I noticed a
really big editing mess up. Did you notice it at
early in the show.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
Asking the blind woman? No? No, I didn't.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
Okay, So in this scene where Carol is driving and
she's listening to the tapes that we were talking about earlier,
and she sticks her head out to look at the
plane and she's driving, driving, driving, and then you know,
she swears to hit the walker. She crashes the car.
When she gets out of the car, the window is

(25:18):
rolled up completely. I'm like, the window was open.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
It was huh that stuff?

Speaker 1 (25:28):
I don't know. I noticed that immediately. I'm like, what
is that's the dumb stuff that I noticed? Who notices
that I do? Because when the walker came it banged
on the window. I'm like, the window was down.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
I don't know why she just didn't run over the walker,
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Why didn't you just blast through that thing? It wouldn't
have mattered. I don't know. Again, she knows better, she's
like a superkiller of these. Why would she just not
run it over?

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Because then she didn't have an injury to go and
you know, get herself a plain boy.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Look she could. I don't know. The devices that they
are using to push the plot the way they want
is already looking dumb. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, sorry, not sorry,
I don't know what to say.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
It's okay, it's fine.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Yeah, but she was actually Hey, she acted her heart out.
I believed it even though I saw it.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Yeah, and well, she's always been really good at projecting
the Susie homemaker and sorry, I just saw see. Thank
you for joining, even if you haven't watched it yet.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Yes, we appreciate you for being here.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
But uh, you know, she's always been able to kind
of make herself seem helpless. I mean she did that
when she when she rolled the bike in looking for Daryl,
looking for information. I mean, she really does use that
to her best advantage.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
You know, she she gets that unassuming, meek voice, and
you know, so people don't. They're not as on guard
with her as they should be.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
You know, Oh we can, I just you know, we
can still rely on the kindness of strangers. I mean
even when she goes to the shop, which is another thing.
What's up with this this shop? But she goes and
she's like, oh can someone help me who worked on
this bike. She's so like, you know, she knows how
to walk the walk, talk the talk to get people

(27:58):
to kind of trust her, trust her and think it's
this lady, she's fine, she's not gonna do anything, and
then she could come cow she whips it out, and
then you're in a world of hurt. You know, arrows
in the leg, you're flying across the ocean in a
little you know can. But you know, that's her job.

(28:22):
She knows what she's doing.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah, m hm, you know. I mean, I think that's
one of the things you and I've always really kind
of enjoyed about Carol is she she is very chameleon
like mm hmm. And whenever she is thrown into a
new situation, she always goes to the Susie homemaker.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
That's her go to like persona. And I think it's
because she did it for so long, you know well, and.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
She's done it for so long and it it very
much disarms other people. I mean, she's not a threat.
Look at her. Listen to her.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
Yeah, what's the phrase, you catch more flies with honey
kind of thing, yeah, mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
And you know, and she'll keep it up for as
long as she needs to. H I mean she's kept
it up for I don't know how long, almost a
year or so at the Commonwealth.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yeah, it's a long time.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
Yeah. You know, everyone thought that she was just as
sweet and kind person and we all knew better.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Yeah, don't trust it.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Cookies, man, don't your food.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yeah, I don't know, but that's why, you know, that's
probably why Carol will find Darryl pretty quickly, because she's slick,
you know. Oh.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
I can see her even buttering up. Oh, the the
one woman I can't remember her name from the battie
from last season.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Oh, Cheney or is it Cheney? Yeah, And I.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Can definitely see her. I could see her following in
with her and just going oh hello, you know, and
getting on her I don't want to call it good side,
but you know, getting on her trust side.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Oh my god. That probably would take like weeks to
do that after she located her or stumbled across her.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yeah. But I mean, you know, she's got skilled. I mean,
she really does have mad skills when it comes to
finding people. Mm hm.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
So well, at least they're consistent with that, right, Her
character is consistent after all this time she's still using
her same tactics. She still got you know, her wits
about her, and I love that. And I hope that
while she is on this journey and she's trying to
I guess REDI figure out her feelings and work through

(30:52):
her trauma, that that doesn't put her in a place
where I'm like rolling my eyes going like, oh my god,
why she's so stupid now, right, don't do that to her.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Let her be both, because she kind of did. They
kind of did that to her when she first came
off the boat, when she was graving her son's death,
and Daryl's like, I need you, and so she stayed.
And then she's taken you know, the the no sleeping pills,
you know, and and all the other stuff, and you know,

(31:25):
so she was in a really bad place there, and
so she did some really stupid things. I'm hoping they
don't do something like that with her here, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Yeah, I agree, that would be nice if they let
her be able to do both things, you know, heal herself,
throw herself, and still remain the bad ass that she is, Like,
we can be two things.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
So because her absolutely, I mean, she really is of
all the people on the show. She's really one. She
really is a true badass, and people forget that about her.
I mean the people that are around her sometimes forgets that,
you know, because she really does. She she's like this

(32:12):
still water that's ready to for sudden violence.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, she's really kind to the people she cares about,
right so, to the kids, you know, to her friends,
to what she considers her family, she is really nice.
But she just has this other side and.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
They depend on the other side.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Uh So.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
That's I think that's why she's she Of all the
characters they've they've had on the show, she's probably the
one with the biggest arc of change because she went
from someone who was scared and a domestic abuse abuse
survivor to this ultimate survivor. And you know, she she's

(32:58):
one of the best. I mean, she's doing what a
lot of people on this show really can't do, and
that's be out in the world on her own and
know that she can survive.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
Right right, And she's doing it all without being extremely
bitter like Maggie. You know, Maggie just holds onto the
she's enraged all the time, all the time. But Carol
is like so even tempered with it. Even if she
feels the rage, she doesn't let it come out. It
doesn't show right.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
And I think that's one of the reasons why you
and I both like Carol better than we like Maggie
at this point, because Maggie is just mean and really
she's Yeah. I understand she lost Glenn, I get it,
but it has been hard.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
And while I don't say, you know, I'm not saying
she has to forget about him, but she does need
to let him go because it's even affecting her relationship
with her son.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Yes, we saw so.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
And Carol, on the other hand, I mean, you know,
her husband died too, but she's pretty happy about it.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
You know, She's like, oh, no, he died.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
He darns, you know, he darns. Yeah, you know, I mean,
but losing her I mean, Carol has honestly lost more
than Maggie ever has.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
You know.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Maggie lost you know, her her dad and stuff, I
mean granted, but you know, Carol has lost you know, children, yeah,
ult yeah, her own biological daughter, her adopted son, you know,
the three kids that she was desperately trying to keep alive,

(34:59):
you know, I mean, you know, she's she's had a
kind of a rough cole of it.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
She has, and she's like each time she comes out,
you know, she might have a couple of setbacks, but
she seems to come out a little bit stronger for it.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
You know, she doesn't say bitter about it.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Yeah, and yeah that's you.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Know, Carol's are good. She she really she's a well
rounded survivor.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Yeah, and they better not mess it up. Don't mess
it up, like, just do the right thing. Now, I'm
curious to see what they're gonna do with Darryl, Like,
how is he gonna change? Because when he started this
journey on his own, I was like, well, you know, honestly,
I didn't think that character could carry a show and

(35:47):
I still don't. But okay, he did, okay, but he
that was like more of an ensemble cast I think
the first season, right, but he did alright, he held
his own. But what Carol comes on the scene, What
is gonna happen to him? Is he gonna like kind

(36:09):
of shriek back and she's gonna be, like I said,
the star or do you think that his character will
be able to maintain what he's managed to accomplish in
season one, like have some leading man star power. Do
you think he can do it? Or will they they
twist them up and make them I don't know.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
I mean, the two of them have always been really
good together. Yeah, so I'm hoping they give they give
them both equal weight, you know, not not leader, not follower,
but you know partners.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Well they're not giving them equal screen time right now.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Yeah, Well it is the book of Carol.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Yeah, so I can't help but wonder, Like I mean,
I really hope for the character development and all that
Darryl's character is able to retain that, but I'm not
going to count on it, unfortunately, because both of them
when they were on the main show, both of them

(37:12):
were a part of the Neither one of them were
show leaders. They were kind of in the background, acting
in concert, doing other things. You know, they had their spotlights,
but they weren't the heads of the show. Right. But
now it's just two of them, So I don't know.
I guess we'll see. Time will tell. I just I

(37:34):
have a theory and I think Darryl's not going to
be that interesting to watch. I might be eating those
words on episode six, but we'll have to see.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
All right, we'll see. I mean, like I said, I
didn't hate the episode. Really, I I thought Carol was
you know, it was nice to see her back in
this saddle, so to speak.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
Yeah, she was the best thing she I loved her stuff.
And I like that guy Ash, the guy who plays him.
Oh yeah, I like him. I used to watch him
on The Resident. He's a doctor on the Resident Fox.
I'm like, oh, that's fun. That guy's on here. So
I like him as a you know, actor, and I
liked what he was doing in this role. So I

(38:25):
wouldn't mind watching a couple more episodes of he and
Carol playing off of each other. Yeah, and for the
dynamic changes.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Yeah, you know, it's really kind of you know, it's
kind of sad because if she had not used her
daughter as a as the reason for them going across
the ocean mm hm. You know, that could have been
a real close bonding moment between the two of them.

(38:55):
He lost a son, she lost her daughter, you know,
and she lost her daughter horrifically. You know, that's something
that they could have you know, if she had not
had ulterior motives, could have been something they truly would
have bonded over. But you know she she needed him

(39:18):
to get in that plane and take her across the ocean. Yeah, okay,
but you know, I'm like I said, as soon as
they you know, as soon as they get to France,
you know. And I don't know if she's even thought
about this, But what is she going to tell him,
you know, when she goes looking for Daryl and not

(39:38):
her daughter.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Sorry I lied, get over it? Yeah sorry, not sorry.
I don't know. I can't believe. I don't think she'd
be very like soft about it. She'll just be like, well, shit, sorry, yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
I needed to get over here. A daughter she died. Sorry,
it was horrible and you know, yeah, happening. Uh. So
Killer is asking is uh what do you hope? What
do you both hope to see the season? What do
you hope to see?

Speaker 1 (40:14):
I hope to see some more you know, great writing. Honestly,
I hope that things stay tense. I want to see
tense scenes. I want to feel like people are in danger.
I want to believe that whatever they're doing, however, they're

(40:35):
getting to their goal that is believable. I'd love to
see Darryl actually hook up with Isabelle. I'd like them
to actually get in a relationship if they can get there.
What else would I'd like to see? I wouldn't mind
a small time jump. I'd like to see the little

(40:57):
kid acting a little older. I wouldn't mind it. But
it's only six episodes, so I probably won't get that, right.
That's about all I can think of. You know, Carol
keep doing her thing and being Carol, just you know,
don't change her. Yeah, what about you, Lisa?

Speaker 2 (41:16):
What about me? I am hoping that they reunite Darryl
and Carroll early on, like I said, no later than
season three. I would like the two of them to
basically be this dynamic course that I know that they
can be when it comes to whatever is going on

(41:36):
with Laurent and you know, the in the other subplots
that we've we've had going on left over from season one.
I would like to see the two of them take
them on, take that on together. I'd like to see,
you know, I wouldn't mind seeing garyl you know, end

(41:57):
up in a relationship, although I do I don't know.
I mean, he does okay in France, but I don't know.
I just kind of want the two of them back
over in the US so they can.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
I heard that they're not going to go back to
the US, but they may not be in France for
the next season. That's what I heard. So so you
can kiss the US goodbye for now.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
I mean, I'm because I really want, at some point
in time for Daryl to find out that Rick is
still alive.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
Oh that would be great. But I don't know if
that's going to happen.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
I mean, I that's one of those things that because
you know, we had that that interrupted phone call. He's back, yeah, okay,
and you and I talked about and I said it
might be Rick, and you know, we talked about other possibilities.
But I would really like and Carol doesn't know either.

(42:49):
But for Darryl, you know, his best friend, you know,
the person he has had this massive amount of guilt about.
To find out that Micheon and Rick are home.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Well, you know, if if it was Rick, if what
she was saying on that mic was Rick, then that's
probably gonna be one of the first ten sentences out
of her mouth after she finds him.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Yeah, except she never but remember the radio broke up
and she never did find out. Hmmm, it cut out,
And now so she doesn't know.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Oh, well, he's not gonna know. Then, they're not gonna know,
not for a while.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
I mean, that's what I mean. That's one of those
things that I'm really I want him to find out
that we is still alive, because that is a lot
of that is a lot of Daryl's underlying guilt is
Rick's death, you know. So for him to find out

(43:53):
that both him and the Shone are still alive by
that would make me very happy.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
However that happened, they'll find out when they're winding this
show down, and they'll find a way for them to
get back, because I do think ultimately they're gonna rejoin
this cast in a future state in a different show,
you know what I mean. I feel like we're not
done with them completely, like some more years past and

(44:19):
they have some kind of I don't know, many mini
season reunion something or another. I feel like they will
he will find out and he will see him again eventually.
I think that will happen, but just not on Darryl
Dixon's show.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Yeah, I mean, mostly what I'm looking forward to is
I want to see I want to see Carol and
Darryl's reunion almost as much as I wanted to see
Ricky Mashons.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Oh my gosh, yeah, huh.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
Because you know, I mean there's certain characters that just
go together, you know what I mean, And the fact
that these guys been apart as long as they have
and and I like the two of them together again,
good friends, and they play well off of each other
and they always have so and she, you know, she

(45:13):
did a fairly decent job of domesticating Darryl. You know,
I really believe that she was one of the big
influence because you know, if you go back to first season,
you know, Daryl was a little beyond rough around the edges, right,

(45:35):
and he wasn't necessarily a bad person, but he wasn't
a he wasn't a good person.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
I mean, yeah, he's damaged. You know, he was under
like the stuff that influence of his brother for a while.
You know, he's just kind of weird.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Right, And you know, Carol has been this, you know,
she's she really has. She's she's rather nicely domesticated him
and not in a bad way, but you know, she's
really helped him become the person that he is right now.
And I think Garyl really helped her come out of

(46:11):
her shell and become, allowed her to become the person
that she is, you.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Know, And I think, honestly, at the core the reason
why that happened is because at the time Dale probably thought, oh, look,
someone that's weaker than me.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Yeah, someone who's more damage than I write.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
So let me help her because I can actually help
someone because I'm not the worst.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
You know. I mean, And they both came from you know,
they both came from very damaged backgrounds. So the two
of them have helped build each other up and brought
out the best in each other. So I really want
to see you know, I don't I'm hoping that this
season is not he doesn't drag and drag and drag,

(46:59):
you know, teasing about the two of them finding each other. Yeah,
I hope it soon.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Oh, I thought of one more thing I want to happen. Okay,
I want them to kill Janay. Be done with that
witch kill her, like, just kill her.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Happy with that Janay could die? Yeah, you know, I
wouldn't mind, you know, if we find out a little
bit more about was it Lavender, Lilac, whatever the the
group was that made the Superies, Hm, I wouldn't mind
finding out a little bit more about them, but not

(47:35):
in a story intense way, right because I I mean,
we're so many years into this, but you know, the
origins of why it happened are still you know, they're
still out there, and I you know, if then someone
wants to fill in a couple more puzzle pieces, that
would be awesome.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
Yeah, that would be nice. I'd be happy to get that. Yeah,
a few more. So, Yeah, they've got some things they
can do with the next five episodes, but it's only
five more. It's not you know, last season was only
six to two, so we know they can do it.
We know they can put a lot of story into
six episodes. They just gotta trim the fat, you know.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Well, and I think I'm hoping that they actually bring
at least the two of them at the end of
the episode of next episode, because I've seen the little
short with her standing behind Darryl and going Hi, Hi, Darryl.
You know, so I'm kind of hoping that's maybe like

(48:40):
the last couple of minutes or last minute or two
of the next episode, and then we swing into episode
three halfway through, you know, with the two of them together.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
I honestly would love that, just make it make sense.
Y'all know, that's my phrase. Make it make sense? Just
how she gonna France is not like really really small.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Yeah, and it's not like the United States either.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
No, it's not. But there is hours of drive from
Paris to like where that castle is. It's hours of drive.
I've been there. It's not close. And I guess maybe
if they just happened to land on the same beach,
you know, the Normandy beach, I guess maybe, But I

(49:28):
don't know. I I'm just gonna hope that they tell
a story that's believable. That's all I want. Just let
me buy it, you know, I want to buy it, even.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
A Normandy beach that's still some distance from where Darryl's
actually at.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
It is, but closer than Paris, though.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
But closer. Yeah, And she doesn't I don't think all
she knows is France, right. She doesn't even know that
he was in Paris.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
No, she doesn't know north, South, nothing, she knows nothing.
So if she can find him in one episode, I
would be astonished. It would have to be a huge
coincidence that just please has to make sense. Well, I mean.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
If because Darryl is not at the castle right now,
he's out, you know, they're bringing those people back. I mean,
and it's even possible that Carol is with you know,
has found Janine or Janay and you know, one of

(50:34):
these guys mentions, oh yeah, there's this woman, you know.
But but everything that I've seen from the teases is
she finds him. Yeah, so we'll just have to see.
I don't know. I mean, like I said, Carol's good
at finding things. I mean, she as soon as she
found out that that he was missing, you know, she

(50:59):
followed the head crumbs pretty quickly.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Well you know what what you said earlier could make
total sense for her to find him quickly. If Carol
somehow falls finds herself entangled with Jenney and the crew, right, yeah,
we know Darryl wants to kill her. And maybe if
by some way that they have another interaction and Carol's

(51:22):
in the perimeter of that, you know what I mean,
and she sees him or something, maybe Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Thees are saying, I've been seeing a lot of Carol
and Darryl shippers very angry lately with the show's starring
again or starting again, that they still haven't gotten together.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Yeah we know, yeah, yeah, we talked about that. They
need to get over it. That's what we say. Get
over it.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
Yeah, you know, just just let him be friends, man,
just let him be friends.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
Okay, So he say, because the Rashon Shippers got theirs,
they want theirs too, they deserve it. Well first off,
and we know you know this, you're you're with us,
you know, But Michon and Rick were completely different. They
actually were in a relationship.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Yeah, in a romantic relationship, in.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
A romantic relationship. Carol and Daryl were never in a
romantic relationship. So it's like comparing like apples to oranges,
like it's completely different. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
So looks at him like a little brother. He looks
at her like a big sister. It would just be weird.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
Yeah, and you know Rick looked at me show him
like you want to eat her, you know, for dinner.
So there's completely different mentality there. So that's all. That's
all they need to get over it. You know, I
hope you're ignoring those comments because I'd be like rolling
my eyes when I see that stuff. It's funny.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Yeah, like I said, I really I do hope that
they because again, like you said, it's only six episodes.
So and Carol is you know, she she has tracked
him across the United States, and he's already made an
impression in France. Yeah, you know, everywhere he's gone, he

(53:14):
has made an impression. She's bound to run into groups
that have heard of him or have interacted with him.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
Yeah. And plus you know she's new. You know they're
gonna be like, I've never seen this talk, smart talking
American before where you come from. She looks kind of distinct,
you know, she definitely doesn't look French. Yeah, so if
someone sees her, they're gonna probably maybe put two and
two together maybe.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Well, and she doesn't she doesn't look dangerous like Daryl does.
So again she can use that, you know, oh helpless
me to her best advantage as she tries to find
him in France.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
So, look, I'm about to say something real kind of rude, dude,
but it's the truth, y'all. Why does Daryl always look dirty? Always?
He always looks dirty?

Speaker 2 (54:07):
He does?

Speaker 1 (54:08):
I hate that shit. Why everyone else in the Apocalypse
can figure out how to take a bath? I can't.
Every time I see him, I'm like, why does he
look like that? He just looks like he would smell bad.
I don't know, and I hate that I feel like that,

(54:31):
but that's how I feel. I cannot I can't take
it back. Like, come on, y'all do something.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
I don't know. I mean, his hair looks washed.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Does it? It look kind of greasy to me? Well, no,
I mean, I don't know. I don't know. He just
looked kind of tone around and raggedy all the time.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
He always does look raggedy.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Yeah, and like Carol's so put together.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Look at her.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
She looked like she stepped out of a magazine with
her suglasses on. Look at her diamonds, studs, her little
studs in her ear, and.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
She's got mission impossible going on, you know, vibes right there.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
Yeah, I mean, the hell, what the hell? I mean?
Even Isabelle? Look at her? She her hairs, look her
hair not greasy. She don't have no make you know,
obviously no makeup and stuff, but you know, she looking regular.
I don't know, y'll get it together with Daryl's character.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
I love you, Caesar. Even when they had showers in Alexandria,
they still kept it looking like a raccoon that had just.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
That's exactly it. That's exactly it. Why I do that
to him, like, oh my god, he.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
Has a look, man, he has an iconic look, and
it is trash banded, Okay, like.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
Come on, I mean, I guess he can't clean himself
up now after all these years. But something it's distracting
to me.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Like you know, I just I've just accepted it as
this is just how.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
Daryl looks, you know, and that's why they will always
be batonic. No one wants that just.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Kind of you know, especially when he was wearing his
the poncho thing. He really had those the old Clint
Eastwood spaghetti western you know vibe going on there and
not quite so much Nolod He's in France, but you
can still kind of feel it.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
That's funny. Oh goodness, I swear the stuff I noticed.
I just I just hone in on the most odd
things sometimes, and that's just I can't even help it.
All right, what do you think? Are there more points
you like to talk about or like.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
I said, that's the only thing is this whole episode
was Carol getting signs all along this this whole route,
and I'm wondering if they are planning and continuing that,
if that's gonna be part of a theme for her.
I didn't hate it, but it was occasionally funny, and

(57:18):
you know that where they you know, and and they're
bringing up the good and the bad in her past,
but you know, she's I did find it kind of
interesting that, you know, all these little clues to her
past keep kind of randomly popping up. So I'm just

(57:39):
wondering if that's gonna be an ongoing theme or if
that was just something they got it to push or going.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
You know, I am curious because I feel like, well,
it's probably gonna come up at least one more time
because I feel like when she has to come to
Jesus with ass, she's gonna have to admit to lying,
she's probably going to share her real story, right, And
so it'll probably come up at least one more time

(58:09):
before they move on, because you can't really keep having
that over and over again, where the character never really
did that before. I don't know, maybe this will be
the breakthrough she needs and she can move on, you know.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Well that and I was kind of wondering if they
were going to use these, you know, Carol getting these
signs along the way as a tie in to whatever
it is that they think Laurent's going to become Oh no, yeah,
so I was kind of wondering about that too.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Oh no, don't cross those lines. Don't cross those wires.
I don't think.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
I hope that dreams don't cross the streets anyway. Like
I said, that was just something that you know that
I was because they kind of did the same thing
a little bit with Darryl last season. You know these
you know, little you know, coincidences or throwbacks and stuff.

(59:03):
So I'm wondering if they're gonna do the same thing
with with Carol.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Mm. They might. I don't know. I feel like we
want them to go much deeper than they'll be able to.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
Yeah, they're gonna be like what you want to you
want what from us? We would character the character development.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Episodes with full character development. Please.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Yeah, they're like, that's a tall order. I don't know
if we can do it. Okay, Well I guess we'll see.
Well we'll see. That's all we can do. So quickly
before we go, I just want to say thank you
to everyone that listens live Caesar Karna. We appreciate you
guys for being here. And we had a new comment

(59:53):
from Perry. I don't think we've seen you before. Thanks
for being here and commenting. U. Is there anything else?

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Yeah, we are going to be needing to show perparently
back to seven thirty right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Yeah, it's gonna be seven thirty Central eight thirty Eastern
for the rest of the five episodes.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
Kay, yep, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
So I guess that's it for today. It's been a
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