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Speaker 1 (00:03):
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subtitled The Book of Carol, episode five. For those of

(00:26):
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Speaker 2 (01:23):
Lisa, absolutely, Tamra. This is a conversation, not a dissertation.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Right, no scene by scene breakdowns here. We jump around
a lot, and of course huge spoiler alert for everything
every show in the world through yesterday's episode. So if
you're cool with that, this is the place for you
and we just get to it. Did you like the episode?

Speaker 2 (01:42):
I did?

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Okay, that's great.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Iya Ash took the news really well, he.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Took it appropriately, Yes, he really did.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
I did. I really kind of enjoyed the whole dynamic
of the episode. And Carol, you know, starting off with
Carol say to Daryld, just let me go in first,
or you could just wait here, or you know, does
not scare him. He's just looking at her like what
is going on?

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Like what is happening right now?

Speaker 2 (02:21):
So would you tell him, like what I was your brother?

Speaker 1 (02:24):
You know, She's like, oh no, actually, that would have
been a better lie.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
To be honest, it would have been a better lie,
But I don't know that it would have motivated Ash.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Probably not because she hit him right in the gut
where accounts, you know, when it comes to children, their children,
you know, exactly. So, Okay, I liked the episode two,
but I still have a couple of issues with the pacing.
It's going so fast, and because they're limited with the
amount of episodes, like, they have a lot of convenient

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things happening just to move the story, which you know,
on one hand, I don't like any wasted words. So
on one hand, I'm kind of okay with it, and
on the other hand, I'm kind of like, well, they
could have used a little bit more time. And I'll
give you an example. So when Darryl had to tell

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Laurent that Isabelle was dead, I think I would have
liked to see that scene because was it necessary, No,
But I think had I seen it, it would have
given me more of a chance to see both of
those actors acting. Chops, right, It could have been a
really good scene to see and like grow their relationship

(03:41):
even more, you know what I mean. Versus us not
seeing it things like that.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
You know, I get it, But I did like the
scene that they had between the two of them, you know,
the aftermath of the conversation.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
I guess, hmmm.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
And like you said, I mean, we've only got one
episode left, and this was maybe an eight episode show you,
they would probably have more time for that, but it's
six episodes and they need to get to the end.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
I'm honestly shocked that they only Like, honestly, I'm for
real shocked that they only had six It's so short,
and we could have used two more episodes and flushed
out some of this stuff a little bit more.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, because I mean it does feel like and I
will agree with you, it does kind of feel a
bit like we're getting you abridged version. Yeah, and two
or more episodes could have helped with that. But we
also know when they're given more episodes, they start to
tend to start putting in more filler.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Well, they don't need ten episodes, that's for sure. That's
too many, So I don't know, maybe play around with
it next season, see what seven episodes looks like. There
was just some now, you know, because that they are
aptly killing off everyone. This show is going to look
really different next season.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Well, we were talking last week that it's not going
to be taking places in France next year or next season.
Mm hm, So you know, I mean with everyone being
killed off, I mean, it's probably okay because you know
they're gonna have fine new bad guys somewhere.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
So I wanted to ask you about this because we
talked about this subject at the end of the first
season of Daryld Dixon. We were talking about was Carol
really needed and could you know that actor carry the
show on his own with the supporting cast that he's got.

(05:49):
That's what we were talking about, essentially. And now that
they've added Carroll back, they have swiftly went about face
and just started hacking people dead. And I don't obviously,
I don't think that was the plan from the start,
but the dynamic of this show is going to be
completely different, and I'm wondering if that's gonna make it

(06:14):
better or worse in the long run. Honestly.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Well, I mean, here's the thing. We know that this
second season is the book of Carol.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
All right.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Have you gotten a confirmation that Carol's going to be
in next next season?

Speaker 1 (06:32):
I hadn't heard anything to say she wasn't, so I
just kind of assumed she would be okay, So I
didn't hear anything in the negative, like, you know, because
I feel like if she weren't going to be there,
we'd hear about it, right, maybe because the fans would
be really mad if she wasn't. So I'd like to

(06:54):
think we would have heard.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Maybe, well, because I kind of have a theory.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Okay, what's your theory?

Speaker 2 (07:02):
So as we go pop forward to the end of
the episode, and we have Ash, and we have Carol,
we have Darryl, have we have Laurent, and Ash drops
the bad news this play won't take four. So that

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means when Laurent wanted to stay behind, okay, except now
Darryl is convinced him to come to America, and honestly,
at this point it's probably the safest place for him
because everybody wants to turn this kid into something that

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he really isn't, which is almost a Jesus figure. Is
he a talented kid, Is he a perceptive Yeah? Sure, yeah,
But I mean that you take any kid and you
put him in the environment where he was taught as
he was, and you know, the sole focus of everyone's

(08:04):
attention as far as teaching him things, You're going to
have a very smart, perceptive kid unless there's something wrong
with them. But you know, they want him to be
a christ figure.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
Is that for lack of better words, right.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
And particularly with that, they want him to come back
from the dead, not as a ghoul, not as a zombie,
but as a as a person. And so the best
thing that they can do for this kid is get
him out of this area because everyone apparently in Europe
is aware of who he is. The only place he

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would be safe is America. So my theory is he
will either a go back with just Ash and Ash
will become his new guardian essentially, or Carol and Ash.
Caroly and Ash will take him back and Darryl will

(09:08):
stay behind.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Okay, I'm on board with your first theory. That was
mine's too, because when I saw the preview, it seemed
like Laurent was in the you know, the little plane
thing with him, so I'm like, okay. And then we
saw another scene where I think Carol and Daryl were
in the car and there was no one else with them,

(09:30):
so I'm thinking.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
There was also though a scene of Carol hugging Darryl.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yes, we did see that, you know, have to be
I think she's gonna stay with him, And I think, well,
your first theory is what's gonna happen. They're gonna be like, well,
you take him. She's because Carol's gonna be like, I'm
not gonna leave my friend. I came this whole way.
I'm not just gonna leave him, right, So I'll stay here.

(09:58):
You take him back. This is where you know our
people are go there and you can have a home there,
and that's what he's gonna do.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
And and that's that's kind of where I was leaning.
But that's why I was asking if you had heard,
if we'd had confirmation that Carol was going to be
there next next season.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah, no, I haven't seen anything or heard anything yet.
So and you know they already know where they're going,
so you think that by now it would have leaked,
especially since they already had Comic Con already. So so
far nothing, Okay, So I think I think you're right, honestly,

(10:37):
because that was the same thing I thought when I
was watching the preview. I'm like, oh, so they're going
to send them off into the sunset for home, and
I guess we'll see them again eventually.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah. Yeah, And I mean Ashwood would be a decent
guardian for you know, for Laurent.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
He definite would, yeah, Okay.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Karina says that there is confirmation she will be there. Okay,
she will be in the second season.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Okay, So that even solidifies your theory even more.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
And and honestly, I kind of like that that solution.
I like Laurent going off with ash ash has lost
a son, and you know, and Laurent can't stay where
he is because there's always going to be someone there
that's going to try to to turn him into this martyr,

(11:35):
to turn him into this figure that you know. I mean,
I don't know. Maybe he could survive because of the
unusual circumstances of his birth, but I doubt it. I
very much doubt it. Yeah, and I would hate to
see this kid being eaten just for stupid Any's sake.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
Right, So, honestly, there's no where he could have remained. Okay, So,
just like you said, everyone's kind of looking for him.
And the one woman, the redhead, I can't remember what
her name is, There's no way she would have taken
him in there's no way, even though she said he's
always welcome there, but I don't think that she would
do that.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Well, I mean, he's welcome there as long as she
doesn't he doesn't cause any problems. I mean, and she'll
sneak him out. But obviously she sat there and just
let him go through.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
She's like, I'm not crazy. I'm not trying to get
myself killed or hurt over that.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
But yeah, she's she's not going to go out. I mean,
she'll help, but she won't go out of her way. Yeah,
you know, and and I really did. I like the
scene when when the priest came in and he's like, no,

(12:55):
we need him, you know, as a testimony to our faith.
And uh, the one guy's like, if you need that,
it's not faith, you know, And that's you know, and
we had discussed that. Yeah, you know, the whole point
of faith is you take this not based on evidence

(13:19):
but faith.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
Right, It's literally the meaning of faith.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yeah, you know, you don't need evidence. You don't need
you know, someone to PLoP down in front of you
and hand you the you know, the schematics to make
it true. You just you have faith. You you have
a feeling and you follow it. But again and desperate
people and and and unfortunately there are a lots you

(13:45):
know the world is full of desperate people right.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Now mm hm.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
And and the they have hyped this kid up into
a messiah figure, which he never He didn't know it,
you know, and I don't. I don't think you know,
his aunt knew it.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
You know, they they were kept in the dark.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
So I do think you know, now that lo saying
is dead, I mean, his head was bashed in pretty good.
But now that he's gone, I think that if there
are there probably are some remaining people lurking around from
his you know group that will still want that. But

(14:32):
Fa Lou is still there. And there were people who
were plotting and you know, had his back on what
he was saying about faith. So it might end up
words like two groups of them, they're gonna split maybe
if there's still even a thing you know, to be
worried about right in the future.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Well, and I mean, and they even said, you know
who's going to be the you know, there's a power vacuum.
Now you know someone's going to take that place. You know,
are they going to be better? Are they going to
be worse. Nobody knows, you know, they hope for better,
but there's really no saying. And if Carol and Daryl
are leaving the country, then something tells me that the

(15:14):
people that were willing to just accept Laurent on faith
without works are not going to be the winners of
this contest.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Yeah, honestly, I really don't think it's even gonna matter
in the end, because, like you said, Laurent is not staying.
He's not there's period. They're not going to drag him
to Spain and they're going to get him out of there.
He now wants to go to America after he's had
his full chat. Right, and Carol and Daryll make their
way to Spain. No one's going to give a crap

(15:46):
about what's going on in Paris anymore.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Right, Well, and I'm thinking that they're leaving simply because
you know, there's just too much. You know, these two
groups are are just going to keep fighting.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
You know. If they're going to hear something that says honestly,
they're gonna be like, oh, I think there's another way home.
Yea such and such and maybe Anna that's the woman's name.
Maybe Anna will say, uh, you know, they'll go back
to her and she'll say, this is how I heard
of something, you know, yeah, pride, surprise, easy plot device,
It's gonna be something. And then they're gonna have a

(16:21):
reason to go to Spain that may lead them back
to America. I think that's why they go there.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
What I would to want, you know, I do have
to wonder where are all the sailboats.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
Uh, I don't know, someone maybe they're all just trashed,
you know.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Yeah, but I mean you can fix a sailboat.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
Maybe they're out in the ocean just floating around with
dead people on them.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
I mean that's possible, mm hmm. But I mean I
do know, you know, I mean, you know it's people
even now take you know, small sailboats from from Europe
to and they come to America to the Americas and
from the Americas over to Europe. I met a couple
when I was in Panama actually that had done just that.

(17:11):
I mean it was just probably only a twelve fifteen
foot sailboat, and they jumped in there and just went,
we'll go with this, you know, where the wind takes us.
And they ended up in Panama from they were from
France actually, yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
I get that, so because actually I s see YouTubers
do it. Yeah, they have their little boats and they
you know, record their daily life. So yeah, that's totally possible,
you know.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
I mean it's so I mean, yeah, I mean, if
if people were really that determined to get other really,
a plane is not the way to do it. A
boat is. And I mean they could someone could make
a boat. They could. I mean, Daryl was sleeping in
a boat, for God's sakes, in the water right now.
Granted that wasn't a sailboat, but you know, I mean

(17:59):
they could find what.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
I'm sure, Yeah, but I don't know. They've been so
kind of unpredictable, kind of anything could really happen. You know,
I have no confidence in any of my guesses. You know,
our guesses are logical, but we've been logical about a

(18:20):
lot of things and it's still been wrong.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
This is true. They're like, oh, look, they just went
to they took a path. You know, it doesn't make
any sense, but they took.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
A path exactly.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
So I did like the scene with Carol and Darryl
in the car when you know, as they fought their
way to ash.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Oh my god, before you talk about that. Can I
just say, what idiot? Ashes He gets in the car,
opens the door and brains himself with the door. I know,
I'm like, oh my god, what sir?

Speaker 2 (18:59):
But you know, he really he doesn't. You know, he
has spent the entire apocalypse, you know, pretty much hit
you know, safe behind his fenced walls, and he would leave,
but he would leave it a plane.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
So it's he doesn't have a lot of experience.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
No, he doesn't. But I was like, why are you
trying to open the door? What is happening? And then
before you know what, bam right in the head. I'm like, wow,
I just laughed. I'm like, You've got to be kidding me.
I know.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Although you know, it was funny because as soon as
they came in there, the first thing carold in his weight.
She knew there'd be traps, and there were traps, and
the traps had caught people. Yeah you know, the place
was full of dead people.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Yeah. Absolutely, So you were saying in the car, oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Just you know, the two of them looking at you know, like, well, okay,
we got in here. He's like got any ideas, no
good ones, But yeah, I don't know. I just did.
They were working in tandem again.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yeah, they're good at that, I mean, And honestly, when
Darryl stood up, I'm like, oh, he's got He picked
up one of those things with the darts, and I'm like,
oh no, I know what he's gonna do. And he
sure that he shot two of them, and they came
and just like killed every all the walkers. Yeah, drem
apart and then they the last two tried to jump

(20:30):
in the car. I'm like, oh no, but they killed
them obviously. But I'm like that was pretty smart. And
just the sound of everything just like dying, you know,
or re dying or splat.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Yeah, there's a lot of splat sounding.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yeah. I'm sure Ash was happy he was knocked out
during that because he would probably be traumatized.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
So probably, I mean, he was kind of awake.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
He's like, who is that?

Speaker 2 (20:59):
I mean, for like the long as long as she
could push it off, Yeah, don't worry about it, just
just rest, just dress, get your yeah, you know. And
then you know, he has a conversation with her after
he's kind of recovered, and you know, he's like, I
got out of my head and I was able to
put my son to rest and this trip was really

(21:20):
good for me. And Carol's like, Okay, now's the time
to tell him.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
You know, I know she was gonna tell him, and
then he said that, and she's like, well, maybe it's
not the best time. I'll wait a little longer, yeah,
because it's like, how do you He just said something
really kind and you know, he had growth and he
thanked her for that, and now she's got to say, well,
I lied, sorry.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Right, you know, I mean, in a way, I'm kind
of I kind of wish she had just said to Darren,
let's just tell him. But then you know that, yeah,
she had died there. But then again, if if they
were going to bring him back to the to the
common well, you know, everyone knows Carol's story.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yeah, she couldn't keep lying. She'd he'd find out.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
He would find out, you know, if he made it,
he would have found out. And it was better coming
from her.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
But you know, yeah, yeah, she even like, you know,
Jirl's like, so when are you gonna tell him? She's like,
I'm gonna let him get a little better before I
break his heart. You know, She's like, I know it's
gonna be awful. She knows it's gonna be bad, and
it was.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yeah, it was awful, and I felt I did feel
bad for Carol. But I get it. I mean, I
get it, you know, from his point of view, she lied,
I mean, and she used his trauma in her trauma
to manipulate him.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
And that's what Carol does.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
We know this. It was successful. She did it.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
I mean, she did it, and you I don't know.
If I had been her, I probably would have started
off with I need you to know who my friend is.
Who he is, and he's very important to me, and
this is why I liked and he's why I like.

(23:12):
To you, it's probably you know, and again this isn't
an excuse, this is an explanation. I was desperate to
get to my friend, who I look at as a
you know, as as a brother and so on and
so forth. It's probably how I would have presented it.
But you know, she was, she really was. She did

(23:35):
her best to come clean and do it honestly, so
I mean, I'm gonna give her props for that. But oh,
she upset him.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
It was like pulling teeth to get her to do it.
But she did it, and and I was happy with
his reaction because I'm like, if he just like gives
her a pass, that's not going to be appropriate at all.
So he did have the correct level of upsetness about
Oh yeah, And he also gets credit as a character
because he didn't do one of these well fine, I'm

(24:04):
leaving you guys, right, He didn't even say anything like that.
He kind of just accepted what she said and he
still had his head about him. So he's still going
to try to help them get out, right. So that
says a lot about his character.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yeah, I mean, and we you know, and and that
was part of Carol's is she is? She really stressed
when talking to Daryl. You know, he's a good man.
Why I don't want to break his heart because he
really you know, they're they're good men are hard to find.
Good people, you know, period, Ones that haven't been damaged

(24:43):
beyond repair are are kind of hard to find. I
mean it's not that they haven't found them. You know
that the group that Laurent was hiding with, I mean,
those were good people, right, But but again there's there's
a lot of days image in this world.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Yeah, and it's funny. Daryl was like, do you like
him or something like like not like that, like that
just because I think someone's nice and kind doesn't mean
you know that. Yeah, but you know that's kind of funny.
I also, I did like the scene that we got

(25:24):
between Cadrone and Laurent and Darryl, because you know, we
got a chance to and I think we're gonna this
is gonna be something that happens with this character because
you know, he's not really a bad guy anymore. Right,
he kind of like explained why he wanted to kill Darryl,

(25:45):
you know what I mean. He pretty much says he's
sorry that he had played a part in the kid's
situation basically, and then later, you know, him and Daryl
are shaking hands. So that what makes me wonder is
he going to go to Spain with them? Is he
going to somehow end up a part of their group?

Speaker 2 (26:07):
You know, I wouldn't be unhappy about that. I mean
I wouldn't. He would be a good addition. You know,
he really has and this wasn't a surface change. You know,
he held out under torture to keep Laurent's location a secret.

(26:32):
You know, he he risked his life more than once
to save him. Yeah, so, you know, and and he really,
you know, he really didn't think Laurent would forgive him.
He was hopeful that someday he might. And Laurent's like, no,
I already have and and just his I don't want

(26:54):
to relief his gratitude. I don't know what the word
would be. You know, there was just that sigh of
you know that this kid that he has obviously grown
fond of is not going to continue to hold a
grudge or hate Hi him.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Yeah, exactly. And I mean also it shows us again
that he's not really a bad person, because when he's
fighting with that woman, I think her name's Decanta. I think,
you know the lackey Lossan's lackey. She throws her against
the wall and she gets knocked out, but she doesn't die.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Yeah, you see her hand twitch there.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Yeah, so it's not like he finished her like I
think he should have, you know. And then then you know,
two seconds later, Darryl is like beating little Santa Death Gaul.
So the contrast is not lost, Like, yeah, that looked
like it hurt, you know when she got thrown against
the wall, but he left her there. He didn't like

(27:58):
give her a headshot. Her thing right just left her.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
You know, and I mean but I mean Darryl also knew,
knew that if he left this guy alive, he wasn't
gonna stop. Yeah, the religious few, you know, Fervor is.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
He's dangerous. He needs to die because he has always
a threat to Laurent. Right, he's a to him and
he always will be because he has grows loose and
he didn't have any sign of changing at all, no
opinion changed, So he had to do what he needed
to do.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
He took everything as a sign that, you know, God,
you know God, this is a sign from God saying
we're following the right path. No matter what was happening.
You know, it was just you know, he would he
would manipulate it around so that it was always no,
this is this is God rewarding us for our faith,

(28:52):
you know. So and and people like that and it,
you know, whether there's an apocalypse or not. You know,
they do tend to manipulate themselves and other people by
and part of it is their own true conviction of themselves.

(29:13):
You know, it's hard when someone has true conviction like that,
it's it's hard for people to go, well, you know,
he's not sincere. Well he's sincere, all right, he's bat shit,
but he's sincere about it. But that's what makes converts,

(29:36):
you know, It's it's that sincerity along with the madness.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Yeah. I wonder if Lron feels any kind of way,
because you know, he was hiding in that little ancho thing,
that little thing, after seeing Darryl like kill him.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
I don't think he actually did.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
I think he was in sight of him.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
He wasn't, Yeah, but they were down, you know, they
were down the tunnels a bit, and I mean it
was dark and he was hiding.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
The kid's not stupid, you can hear it.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
He knows what happened.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
Yeah. I wonder if he's going to have anything to
say about it later. Probably not.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
I don't think Laurent would ever say it out loud,
but he's you know, there's probably a part of that
goes while he killed my aunt good. Laurent's not the
kind of person that would probably articulate that even to himself.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
But I'm never but there somewhere Again, though we don't
even know how much detail Darryl told him, right, We
don't know if he told him that he stabbed her.
We don't know, because did he even know that didn't
happen in front of him?

Speaker 2 (30:49):
No, but she did tell Carol. Carol would have told Darryl.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Do you think she told him those things? Stay up?
Stat me? Do you think she said that she's dying?

Speaker 2 (31:03):
Really well, she knows who Caroll is and who who
she means you actual is see him. I think she
would have said, so, that's.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
A long shot. I feel those we are concerned about
getting Darryl free, and you know.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Yeah, except her main concern was making sure laurn was
was safe. Yeah, and since he killed her, you know,
since he stabbed her with the intent of her dying,
he becomes an imminent threat. So yeah, I think she
would have.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Said, hmm, okay, so let's use your hypothesis she told Carol,
Carol told Darryl. Darryl still wouldn't tell that child, this
guy you looked up to this whole time killed your aunt.
I don't think he. I think he would keep it
from him. He's so sensitive. I think he wouldn't tell him.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
I don't know. I think he might because.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Maybe he'll tell him after they get where they're supposed
to be, because who wants to They got to escape.
Who's gonna tell somebody that?

Speaker 2 (32:03):
But I also I think Daryl would have because he
needs Ron to Laurent to understand how dangerous Little Fame
was or had become.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Maybe. I don't know. If they had played that scene,
we would know.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
We would know, but they don't know. Yeah, we're just
stuck with not knowing.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Mm hm, unless it comes up later, which I doubt.
With one episode left, they have a lot to do
and they be on their way and somehow get this
kid off to America and they need to go.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Back and get their fifty gallons of gas. Yeah, let's
not forget that.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah, So I mean it's gonna be real one, two, three, four,
real fast bam bam bam. There's not gonna I'm sure
there won't be. Maybe but one more really emotional conversation
and when he says goodbye to him, yeah, well i'll
see you in a little while. I always come back
or something like that, you know, hmm.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
He'll be safe in America and I will find my
way to you.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
Right.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
And it could even be because when when Ash told
him that they needed that those extra gallons, it was
to cover three people. So the other reason why they
may be able to take if it's just him and Laurent.
Laurent doesn't make that much, he's small. Yeah, it may

(33:38):
be that they don't need that extra gas. That's why
they're you know, he takes off with just.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Him, Yeah, because then they could just go. They don't
because honestly, when they took that thing over there, in
my mind, I'm like, can even three people fit in
there with all the gas? I guess they would be tight,
but I guess, but no way. For I think we
all kind of knew that from the four people weren't
going to fit in there. So what would have.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Been even worse? If you know, what's her name and
made it Elizabeth? No, what's her name? The aunt? Oh
never mind, anyway.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
I knew what it was and then asked me what
it was. It just left my head.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
Oh my god, man, that would have been a hell
of a coming in Darryl, the Aunt, Laurent, Carol and
Ash look at him, all going, oh, I don't think so, Scooter.
It's a small plane. You know, this is a two seater.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Look what would have happened in that case Isabelle and
Laurent would have went yeah, and then Carol and Daryl
would still have been on their own trying to get
out of there. Yeah, that's true, that's what it would
have happened. Should she know had she had survived. Yeah, mmm,

(35:04):
that's funny. Oh my gosh, Okay, And you know, and this, honestly,
I feel like a lot happened, but not that much happened.
At the same time, I feel like everything was just
small little tip bits of things. Like you said in
abridged version, It was just like a lot of I

(35:27):
guess things happening to make other things happening. And the
flow was a little The flow felt a little bit
choppy to me, and to be honest.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
It was jumping around quite a bit. But I mean, again,
there's a lot. There was a lot going on.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Mm hm.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
You know, because you know, we had low Faine, and
we had Laurent and then we had the the burlesque,
the underground burlesque place, which has become really interesting.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Yeah, they got a whole wide world opened up to them. Yes,
he was the.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
One guy be walked around like a like a puppy dog.
He thought he was going to have an opinion, you know,
he thought so, he thought. But yeah, I mean it's uh,
you know, so, I mean they actually visited quite a
few locations in last night's episode, you know. So you know,

(36:29):
we had uh Janet's former fortress, and I want to know,
did she take so many people out of there to
to go after the nest that she just left it undefended?

Speaker 1 (36:43):
That's what it seems like.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
It seems because that place was there were no survivors, right,
I mean, there may have been survivors and they got out,
but I mean that had seemed like a pretty secure location.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
So I guess, well, I don't know, but it was gone.
It was empty when they got to it. Yeah, and
only the dead were in there.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Like I said, I mean, it's I mean, I'm sure
there were survivors. The survivors would have left, you know,
but when we were last when we were last there,
you know, there were several hundred people there.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
But how would they have known that it was safe
to leave, quote unquote, Like maybe they went back and
told them that Janey was dead, but it seemed like
they just stayed at the nest after that. Yeah, So
I don't know, how would the people that remained known
that they weren't coming back or that Janey was dead?

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Well, we know that there are already rumors that she
had died. You know, rumors do travel fast, even in
an apocalypse, apparently apparently. And they do have radios, we
know that.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
But by the way, we haven't really seen a bunch
of radio usage. And they love radios on this show.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
I know. I was thinking about that last night. But oh,
and Carol did find Darryl's recording.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
Oh that was odd. So that was the recording from
season one, long long ago. And she's like press play
and listening and then when he comes, it's like he
doesn't even acknowledge what she's hearing. It's weird an say
anything about what she's listening to.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Nope, he doesn't say a whole lot of a lot
of anything unless he asks to.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
Range, you know.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
But the person. But like I said, I don't know,
something must have happened to the chateau because you know,
there's a person there in a chair dead. It looked
like she had been shot. And I don't I assume
it was a she. It looked like a she to me,

(39:13):
you know, with all those papers and everything else. So
I did find that kind of odd.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
Okay, well, just.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Because I mean, I mean Janet took people. She did,
she took all, you know, she took about one hundred
or so people to turn into the weird zombies. And
then she took this, you know, the scientists and the
support staff. And then she had her soldiers. I mean
that was quite a few people, don't get me wrong.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
But the all the workers, like the people who are
feeding the prisoners, the prisoners and right the prison people.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Now, it did look like all the prisoners were pretty
much turned into zombies. But yeah, all the support people,
you know, the people that you know, we were feeding
and in the kitchens and you know, in the workhouses
and the and the laundry and the great you know vineyards.
Come on, what happened and again we're back to the

(40:14):
abridge version. Well we'll probably not know, but it was
just kind of odd because I didn't it didn't seem
like there had been that much time between them leaving
for the nest and Darrel and Carroll returning there, you know,
maybe a couple of days a week.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Hm hm, you know, yeah, I don't know. See all
the things I'd like to know, all these little tidbits.
I'd like the things tied up with a bow. But
I'm starting to just have to accept that we're not
ever gonna get that ever.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
No, no, we're not.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
We're just going to be open ended.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Well, and like I said, for you know that that
was my you know, my big question is what happened?

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Right?

Speaker 2 (41:05):
I mean, we know that the Mona Lisa ends up
at the cabaret.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
You know. Yeah, we see them hanging it up.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
Yeah, and you're looking at it. You know, she had
that moment as she's out there and stared at it,
you know. But you know, and and it also means
that they've been sending scavengers in there to go after that,
you know, what was in the chateau. The only other
thing I can think of is when Janet left, she

(41:39):
was abandoning the place.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
So because they intended to just move into the nest.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Yeah, and then the ones that were left behind were
the ones that she just didn't care about. That's the
only thing that kind of makes sense. But if that
was the case, she would have taken I would would
have thought she would have packed up the moment Lisa.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
With her, Yeah, because she really Yeah, that would have
That's one of her things. She probably would have taken it.
You're right, wish she had left it behind. Hmm. I
don't know. A mystery will never solve.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
I'm sure probably not.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
Right, one of many, you know.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
I mean, it's it's a small detail, but it's it's
just one of those things that I don't understand.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
Well, this has always been our thing with all the
Walking Dead shows. We always say the doubles and the details,
and we talk about stuff. We always poke holes in
the plot and we're like, what about this and what
about that? Just like random things that This has always
been an ongoing thing with this all the shows in
this world.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Yeah, it's like, I mean, they wanted that place to fall,
that's fine, but it would have been.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
Give us three minute and it's show us three minutes
of the thing what happened? Or two lines of dialogue
that explained something.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
You know, there could have been such a conversation the
cabaret that went oh yeah, after Jane left, when the
rumors started to circulate that you know, she had died,
there was a panic there m hm. And honestly that's
really all they you know, if it was something like that,
that would have made sense.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
Yeah, And that would have been good enough, honestly, because
we'd have that answered, right, I don't know, they just
maybe they don't care about those kind of things, those
kind of details. I don't know. Maybe you know, I guess.
You know, we still had a good time even without it,
but you know, it would be nice, I guess, icing
on the cake to have all of these things answered.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
I mean, and I do. I will admit that during
an actual apocalypse, it's not like we're all going to
find out what's going on. We're all going to be
pretty much in the dark most of the time. And
then I get that part.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
Yeah, but you know, as of viewer, give me some details. Yeah,
I mean, you could lead the people in the dark,
just give us some details.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
I know the characters don't have to know, but we
want to know. We want to know, right, So I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
I I didn't give it thirty seconds of panic.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Yeah, you know. So I did like it, but it
wasn't one of the best of the season. I don't
think it was fine. It was fine, you know me
and fine, it was fine. So I don't know. I
don't I'm curious to see what's next. I feel fairly

(44:48):
fairly confident that anything we hypothesized is wrong.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna stick with he sends Ash off,
or he sends Ash with Laurent to head back to
America to take him to to the Commonwealth.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
Yeah, I think at bare minimum that would be correct,
unless again, they're playing games with us with the trailer.
You know, they've been known to play games in the
trailer before with mister Rex, right, But that's.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Not that That's why I mentioned the hug, Yeah, because
it almost felt like a good bye hug between the
two of them.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
Yeah, it probably was.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Between Carol and Darryl.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
Oh, well, we know they're gonna stick together. But you know,
it could have been a goodbye hug. It could have
been at the moment and like I said, Carol changes
her mind, I'm not going or something. So maybe the
original plan was for her to leave and then she
says no, So it totally in context, could have been

(46:02):
a goodbye hug, but it just didn't pan out that way.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Right, So yeah, that's why you know, that's why I
said with the miss you know, the logical assumption is
Laurent will go back with Ash and Carol and Darrel
will stay together. Yeah, Carol has come too far to
just leave him behind, and you know, and Darryl's not

(46:26):
gonna leave the kid behind and get on the plane
himself and leave you know, the kid and the kid
and Carol behind. I mean, he's just not gonna do it. So, yeah,
it's a but they they are good at the misdirect.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
So I just had a random thought here. So if
this character could could drone somehow ends up going to
Spain with them, Carol could have another love interest with
that guy.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
I suppose she could.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
I don't know if they would even do that or
think about that, but it could happen. I'm just putting
it out there. I wouldn't hate it, all right, I mean,
he's rough neck, she likes to look. She would like it.
I bet.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Come on, Okay, write it, you know, jot it down
and pull it out next you know, next season, and.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
I'll find out, I know, right. Well, I guess we'll
see if he makes it through and actually leaves with them,
or if he dies. Hopefully he doesn't die, I mean
everyone else is dead pretty much.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
I mean, honestly, I assumed that he actually had died
until he showed up, you know. Uh, he popped up
there with where Laurent was at I'm like, well, huh,
look at that.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
No, I'm of the school they're never dead unless I
see it. If I don't see it, not after that
whole Alicia, bullshit, No, no it did. If it's not
on screen, it didn't happen. You know, because they like
to play us on, you know, the writers of these shows.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Oh, they do. So you don't just even open that
tiniest slip of a crack of a possibility.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
No, so what else? Anything else? On this episode? I
feel like I've gotten everything I want to say out.
But if you've got more, we can cover it.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
No, No, I mean that was Those were the highlights.
I think. I think next week, you know, I'm hoping
they'll give us a good satisfying ending. I mean this
really yeah, I know when we first started watching Darryl Dixon,

(48:43):
you're like, man, I just can't feel excited about it. Yeah,
but it hasn't. It's definitely not the worst show they've
ever made.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
Oh we know what show that is? That one still
holds the crown for the worst show ever in the world. Rather, Yeah,
that was bad. And if y'all don't know what we're
talking about, it is a world beyond that was the
absolute worst.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
It was bad. Yeah. And It's sad thing is you
and I both agreed that, you know, fear of the
Walking Dead. As soon as they killed killed off what's
your name? Uh, you know what I'm talking about?

Speaker 1 (49:24):
The mother, Yeah, Madison, who Madison died and it wasn't dead.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Yeah, I know. But what I'm saying is as soon
as they quote unquote killed or off, it brought into
new characters. They brought in Morgan. It was actually a
pretty decent show. And then they had to set off
nuclear bombs and then they had to bring back Madison yeah,
and everything went terrible.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
Yeah. So you know, you know, I just thought of
something like, you know, how this sees well, this show
and general, so many French speaking people and words, and
you know, we have to see the translation on screen.
All the titles are in French. Once they go, you know,

(50:13):
to Spain, everything is gonna be in Spanish. We're gonna
have Spanish speaking characters and Spanish titles. I ugh, Okay,
this is just different. You know. I'm trying to like
wrap my mind around it and just take it for
what it is and have a good time with it.
But I still ultimately way back before this show started.

(50:37):
I'm like Daryl in France. You know, I just couldn't.
I could not understand, like what the I kind of
just still feel that way, even though I'm watching the
show and all this stuff is happening. Ultimately, it sounds
stupid to me. But okay, I'm gonna stop.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
He is definitely a stranger in a strange land.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
Yeah, but yeah, so I guess maybe he'll learn some
Spanish now. Spanish is easier, definitely easier. I agree. I
took Spanish in high school, but.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Well I did too. I took two years of You
what I could do? M I could ask for tequila
the bathroom.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
I think everyone knows how to ask for the bathroom.
Is you better if you go to Mexico or any
Spanish Spanish speaking country, you better not ask for the bathroom,
especially if you fuck round and drink the water.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Yeah, like I said, I can order tequila and I
can ask for the bathroom. Yeah yeah, you know right,
But that that's a I can see Paco a little.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Bit, okay, yeah, so so so yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
I mean, like I love and I love to visit Mexico,
but and I tried, I've tried to learn four languages,
and I'm bad at it.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
It's hard. It's hard to learn foreign languages, especially if
you can't like be immersed and speak it every day.
It's pretty difficult. But I do know someone who is
becoming fluent in French as an adult, and she actually
had to join, like, you know, groups that speak French,

(52:19):
like on purpose, and she did like a couple of
weeks in this other immersion program where they could only
speak French when they went they went to like Montreal
or someplace, and then they went to France. You know,
like certain things like that, it kind of forces you.
But if you're not like making that effort to like
actually immerse yourself in the language and force yourself and

(52:41):
talk to people with it, adults, it's hard for adults
to learn languages. Yeah, it takes a lot of effort
unless you're a genius and you know, you people, there
are some people out there that take the language very easy,
but it's not many of them.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Oh I know. Yeah. I used to be married to
someone who could pick up languages and oh got it.
He spoke six seven languages and it just he'd here,
he'd hear a language and he could he could speak
it within two weeks.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
I'm jealous.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
I would love that speak it fluently that Honestly, it's
a talent I do not have. I have another friend
who speaks eleven languages and he just has a talent
for it. So yeah. Me, on the other hand, I'm like, dude,
I struggle with English some days. You know, as I'm

(53:35):
sitting here going the the thing that it's about this
big and yellow the thing, the thing. Yeah, you know,
you start throwing their languages at me. I have over
here the thing.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
You know, how do you have those problems? It's fine.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
And I'm a writer, guys, Okay, that's what I do
for Olivia. I'm a writer, and I still struggle sometimes. Yeah,
But I mean I did find it kind of funny
at one point where Carol looks at Darryl and she's like,
what's he saying? You know, He's like, eh, stuff, He's

(54:18):
saying stuff stuff.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Yeah. But although I do get the feeling that Daryl
understands a lot of it, or more of it. He
can't really speak it that well, but you know, he's
start needs to understand.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
He's getting the gist of it.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Exactly exactly that Okay, Are we done? Is that it?

Speaker 2 (54:40):
I think we're done tonight.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
Dear, Oh my gosh, that was fun. It's fun and
I didn't even complain that much.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
So yay, look at you go.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
Look this has been a couple of episodes. Now I
think that's great.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
You know, it's progress.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
It is progress, Yeah, definitely is. We'll see how it
ends now. Next this week will be the real test.
If I'm gonna be like wtf the whole hour, we'll
find out. You guys, stick around, subscribe, follow, and find
out what happens to me next week after we've finish
this finale, because it's all about No, it's not truly,

(55:20):
but you know, I can't be entertaining when I'm on
a rampage. That's all I gotta say. That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
You can be Yah, we'll give you that. Yes, yes,
I really agree.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
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(55:51):
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