The Walking Dead: Daryl Dixon S3 E3 | TWDU - The Recap! The Walking Dead Universe

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Speaker 3 (01:28):
This is a conversation, not a dissertation.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Exactly, no scene by scene breakdowns here. We jump around
and of course huge spoiler alert for everything in the
world through yesterday's episode. If you're cool with that, this
is the place for you, and we should just jump
right on in, all right, Lisa, Episode three, What did
you think? I liked it? You liked it? I did?

(01:53):
I think Daryl's getting a little more gruff. Yeah, yeah,
he is getting noticeable.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
Well he's you know, I on the prize, you know everything,
you know the whole you know, steal what we need,
do what we need to do, screw over who we
have to who cares about these people?

Speaker 1 (02:15):
We're just gonna get home.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
And I mean that's I mean, I don't want to
say it's a serious departure from from Darryl, but it
is kind of a departure of he usually he's in
seasons past, he's had a little more compassion.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
I'm okay with this version because somebody needs to keep
the eye on the prize. They can't bote to be
like squirrel, right. I like it from his point of view.
Actually don't think it'll be like that for long. So
that's I think ultimately why I'm fine with it, because
you know, he's a good guy. He's not gonna just

(02:52):
let things happen. I thought, I don't know, it was
it was fine. All of these episodes have just been fine.
And I know that's like my favorite thing to say,
but I'm just I don't know. I need to find
a day. I need to find another adjective. I guess
because I it was acceptable, it was acceptable. Yeah, all

(03:16):
of these episodes are generally speaking acceptable. So cool. So
we get to push the story forward a little bit
more this episode. People make stupid choices, you know, as
we expect. Well, I don't know that.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
I can't remember the girl's name, the one that traded
place was with paulba. I can't remember her.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Name, and it was only written on that ribbon like
a million times. What was it? It was like, I'm
going to read that it's escaped me right now, it'll
come back. But she's lost just there we go.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
She's lost her parents, she has her uncle, and she
has a grandmother. Yeah, but you know, she she's wanting
to find a purpose of meaning in her life, and
I don't think young love is enough for her. I mean,
she was willing to leave with him, but now that
they're back, she's also willing to sacrifice.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yeah, yeah, which is the title of this episode. But
I did think it was odd that. Okay, so I
thought last week when we talked about this, we had
said we were trying to ruminate over why they felt relieved,
and I was like, well, is it just because she
got out of this round? And then you kind of

(04:37):
indicated maybe she was done. But her to be done
with this whole thing and meant to turn around and
just turn herself over for a friend after running away
with her boyfriend, it just seemed kind of out of
character for me, like, all of a sudden, where did
this come from? I think it was all those ribbons.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
It was just because he's kept every rib of every
person that was that's been taken over the years, and
there were a lot of ribbons there, and I'd be
I think, you know, and I think it kind of
when they're being taken one at a time. I don't
think it had quite the effect of seeing all those names,
and she was really I don't think her initial idea

(05:21):
was to turn herself over. I think it was talking
to Carol and Carol making the comment it's not like
you can switch places with her, and she.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Went, well, wait a minute, I could. Technically, I can.
Technically I can. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
And I think it was Carol to put the idea
in her head, because I don't think it had been
in her head before that.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
I think she's so upset. I took a screenshot of
this when I was watching it on the TV, so
excuse it. But I'm like, I was trying to see
if these were all different names, are all her name?
And they're all her name? Are they so the years? Yeah,
because remember we were saying we wondered like if he

(06:05):
was slight of handing that so she wasn't getting picked.
I don't know. I'm just kind of thinking maybe he
was doing that and then keeping them for all the
time she escaped out of it. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
I mean it's not like they threw I mean, he
might have just kept all the ribbons from all the
times that he's that she didn't get.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Picked, right, and that's they made a new one every year.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
It was two, three, four, five, six, I'm counting six,
so that's six years worth.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
Man, that means he started when she was what twelve?

Speaker 1 (06:38):
That's what we were trying to figure out. Remember, We're like,
when did they start this? Is it twelve or thirteen
or what? Yeah. I'm hoping that she's got a plan
and she's not really just gonna go and just literally
just I don't know, wait for something to happen, wait
for someone to do something. I hope she has a plan.
It might be a stupid plan, but a plan. I

(07:01):
don't know. Do you have any suspicions on what she
intends to do or do you think she's just literally
I'm just sacrificing myself and that's it. Honestly, I think
she's sacrificing herself. Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
I would hope that she has more of a plan,
but more of a plan would require her to tell
someone what she is doing.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
Right, she did not do that. She just did it.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
She just did it. Yeah, so you know, I mean
she she could have confided in.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
Carol.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
I mean Carol had already voiced her disapproval of this
whole thing, so she was looking for an ally. Carol
would have been the person to go to.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
I don't think she would have gone to her uncle,
but she could have gone to her grandmother just you know,
or to someone else that.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
She was close to.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
So yeah, the fact that she didn't say anything to anyone,
mm hmm. I think she just I think she just
traded herself.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
I think that is so silly, and I guess, okay,
I think and I understand why. Right, she said that
Alba had this really strong relationship with her mom and
she didn't think that either one of them could make it.
But that is so extreme, And sometimes I think about,
you know, plots of Ia books for the leading lady

(08:29):
is gonna save the world. You know, she thinks she's
gonna go do make a sacrifice, and then she ends
up trying to save everyone. Right, I'd like to think
this is what she's doing, because I think that is
so ridiculous to have to have all these people. Obviously,
her uncle Darryl Carrol and whoever else, you know, have
to try to. I don't know, maybe they'll try to

(08:52):
rescue her, maybe they won't. I don't know what's gonna happen.
It's hard to It's very hard to tell what's gonna
happen on this.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
Right, I mean, it's it's very I mean, yeah, it
kind of reminded me of you know, Mockingbird, you know,
I you know, I offer myself this tribute kind of thing. Yeah,
and I don't think she was intending to overturn the regime.
She was just trying to save her sister. And I
kind of I'm not going to discount that this act

(09:20):
of hers, her turn, you know, taking the other's place,
won't have some you know, domino effect further down the line. Yeah,
but she said it, it's very mocky. Jay's very Hunger Games.
That is exactly what she did.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Literally, shet they copy pasted that essentially, just like you know,
the whole picking of the girl was very Hunger Games like. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
Well, and I will say this, I mean, the one
big difference between her and and the other show is
this girl doesn't really have any skills.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
No, see, yeah, you're right, she's got anything.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
I mean they if they had stayed out, there's no
way that the two of them could have survived, or
at least not for very long. They would have been
eaten by walkers or picked up by bandoliers, or picked
up by the other group.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
Yeah, you know. I mean they didn't have a plan
on where they were going. They don't.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
They don't know of any other real communities that they
could go to. They know there's other communities, but they
all participate in this game.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
M hm.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
So I mean I don't think that there was a
real plan, you know. Okay, fine, they escape to where
to what?

Speaker 1 (10:38):
You know? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (10:40):
And even the kid, you know, when they were trying
to get the you know, the rudder for the boat,
he was determined, don't get me wrong, but not the
boy has no skills.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Look, okay, I gotta say mis scene though, where they're
out there trying to get the rudder out and he's
making all this wrecking, and then you know, the walkers
come and I'll help her lose for a moment, and
Daryl's like, just leave it, We'll get another one. I'm like,
what do you mean get another one? This is not
like a boat lot where you can just go get
another one. A kid's like no, you know, he goes

(11:11):
back and gets it. I'm like, well, someone's thinking. I'm like,
what does Daryl mean We'll just get another one? Like
it's just plentiful boat parts everywhere.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
I think what he's saying, because he's seen where it's
not just one or two walkers or half a dozen,
it's one hundreds start coming up.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Yeah, but he's supposedly desperate to get home, right, Yeah,
he's risked things before. He That just seemed odd to me,
and I get it. Yeah, this kid has no skills
negative zero, you know, negative one hundred on the power scale, right,
But I don't know. That just surprised me. He said that.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
I think if he had been with someone who he
knew was competent, or if Carol was you know, back
to her former you know self, I think he wouldn't
have big quite so quick to drop it. But he
also knew that, you know, he couldn't. Really he was
kind of there stuck with this kid that really doesn't

(12:08):
know a whole lot, and he didn't he doesn't have
any idea of how many people might be down there.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
Yeah, he could have just said, we'll come back for it.
That would have been acceptable. But we'll get another, We'll
find another, so stupid, I don't know. That's just silly
to me. It's like, that's not the world you're in.
It was hard to find that. It was scrappy to
find that.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
I mean, there were other boats they hadn't checked out yet.
But again, I really think when he said, well, we
can find another one, you know, I'm sure he was thinking, well,
I can come back, or we can come back, or
you know, let the dead rest for a little bit.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
M h.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
I mean that rudder's pretty heavy, it's you know, I
mean obviously they were struggling holding on to it. M
So I don't think it would have gone very far
in that surf.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
No, it would have stayed right where it was, which
is why I was acceptable to come back for it.
I don't I can't imagine it would have gotten taken
away with the with the tide. Yeah, I can't imagine that,
but you know, I guess you never know. But again,
this show is like always prime for us to suspend
disbelief and just accept what they tell us.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
Just you know, that's what they expect us to do.
And the place was really waking up with walkers. You know,
they were coming out of the boats, they were coming
out of the water, and this kid could not defend himself.
If Daryl was not as competent as he was, this
would have been all over.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Well, to be fair, they're only making all that racket
because Darryl needed something.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
I think that was part of his thinking is as
more walkers are coming out, and then they're coming out
of the boats, and they're coming out from wherever you
know they've been sleeping. Yeah, there was quite a few,
and this kid, it's not any help.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
No, And I think he was prepared for that, being
how they met. Yeah, you know, he's like any He
just really wanted his help in getting the stuff for
the boat. And I don't think that he has any
expectation that this kid would ever help him in any
kind of fight.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
I really don't, right, But again, I think that's where
the calculation came in.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Leave it because he could.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
I don't think he felt I don't think he felt
that he could both protect the kid and keep an
eye on things.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Well, you know, Daryl is a superhero and he did
do that. He got all of the walkers down and
with a weapon he just finds what is that It
was a hook, it was a anchor. Yeah, So he
did that and then they just fell out on the
beach like, whoof who the hell's hard? Okay, we made it,

(14:53):
We're alive. Yeah. I like that scene. It was good.
But I also liked that the kid Roberto, Oh, there
we go, roberttee. I like that he had enough, you know,
gumption to try to negotiate with Darryl, like, hey, i'll
help you, but we need to leave with you, right.
I like that part. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
And I assumed that with as eager as he was
to help Daryl, Darrel had already figured out I want
out of here.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
M hm.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
So that did kind of surprise me that Daryl's like, no, like, Daryl,
why do you think he's helping you?

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Right? Not for nothing? Not for nothing?

Speaker 3 (15:31):
Yeah, And I I did kind of roll my eyes
a little bit in him telling Carol to figure out
how to get the solar panel down, as if they
wouldn't notice.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
That, you know, Darryl is so bold. I mean Carol
is too. She's stealing like right from the pantry, like openly,
and you're right, this is a solar panel that's highly
visible it's in the middle of a walkway. Anyone can
see her getting it down. It looks like it's soddered
on there. Yeah. Yeah, she just kept staring at it,

(16:05):
like huh okay. Yeah. And I do wonder though, why
wouldn't Carol attempt to ask that guy? He was so
kind and giving them everything. Why did she? I guess
maybe that's just not autopilot. That's how she thinks they
have to deal people out there. Now. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
I will say so, I'm gonna the giggle I had
her with would you say his name was ROBERTA.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Whatever? Yeah? Whatever?

Speaker 3 (16:34):
And they're in there watching the movies, all right, and
I got this giggle because he was talking about preserving
history for the next generation and he's giving these examples
hes or the Mona Lisa, and she just kind of
looked at him, and I got a giggle because she
had seen the Moda Lisa.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
She was remember, she was right there staring at it.
Yeah that's funny. Yeah, I guess that was a callback
to that. Yeah mm hmmm. So yeah, I don't know why.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
I just got to think to giggle out of that one.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Not that. Oh yeah, his name is Antonio yes, roversus,
father is Antonio, all this stuff, so many people, so
many new people for them to die. I feel like
some of them are going to die. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
I guess if the previews for next week or any
indication there's shit it's about to go down now.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
I only saw the short preview at the end of
the episode. I did not see any kind of like
full length preview. Did you see that somewhere like on YouTube?
I just I was watching things blow up? Mm hmmmm. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
So I assume anytime that you know, fire is raining
down on you when you're jumping, you know it's bad.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah. Yeah, things are getting real, yeah probably. Yeah, that's
a fair assessment.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
Yeah. I mean generally people don't send you fire when
they're happy with you.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
No, they do not. They do not. Not that way up. No,
you're that is a valid statement. I gotta agree with
you there. Okay, what else is going on in this episode?

Speaker 3 (18:09):
Wow, we've got the whole thing with the Koonnak our
finest Konyak. Do you think I'm here for a drink?
And then absolutely humiliated this guy and then took took
that swing at Cognac repulsive, sets it down and walks
out and then the guy picks up the glass, scrolls around,

(18:31):
sniffs it, takes it, takes a drink, and you can
see him like to himself.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Yeah yeah, he's like, what's wrong with it? What's wrong?
It's fine, It's fine.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
You know, just that whole huh, you know the the
it was just it was I found these little moments
throughout the episode, just amusing, like the cognac, like the
Mona Lisa statement, mm hm, the ship's captain, she amused me.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
She's awesome character. I love her. I'm like, she's so interesting. Yes, yeah,
you know, do you know who the worst passengers were
on the cruise ships? Americans? Yes, yes, I knew she's
gonna say Americans. Oh yeah, I'm a.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
Great person on a cruise ship, all right.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
I know this.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
I have a lot of fun, and you know, people
like me.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
But I can't say that she would be wrong because
I've also been on a cruise ship with other Americans
and I've gone really, dude, seriously, you know it would
kill you to say thank.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
You yeah, or on a plane or on a train anywhere.
It's like come on now. Yeah, So yeah, I can't.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
I couldn't disagree with that. Assessment Americans are kind of rude.
But yeah, and then she has the two boyfriends or
two husbands or whatever.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
You know, I'm like, look at her, get her thrower
upon in the Apocalypse. You go, girl, you forget it.
I know she's she is living a very good life
in the Apocalypse. Yeah, I think that was fun.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
Yeah, you can see she's she's really enjoying the Apocalypse.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yes she is. I mean that's how a lot of
us would like to enjoy the apocalypse instead of being
like miserable. Yet's just have some fun exactly.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
So, Yeah, she amused me. And you can see that
she likes this kid. H Because Daryl had just shown
up at her doorstep, they either would have shot him
or gotten rid of him.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
Right.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
She wouldn't have helped him, No, absolutely not. And and
I think she's partly just I think partly she's helping him.
Just how to boredom mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
I don't think.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
I mean, I don't think she has a miserable life.
Obviously she says to be quite enjoying herself. But I
think she's also a little bored. And see that, and
this is it's you know, it's a project. I mean
and he did bring her spicy, so why not, you know,
But I really do think she likes this kid. It's

(21:06):
obviously they've had multiple encounters with each other.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Yeah, I think she likes both of them, him and Justina,
because you know, she knows they want I think she
knows they want to get out of there, right so,
and she knows what they do in that town and
she does not approve.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
Yeah, she does not approve of the right the taking
of girls.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
Mm hmm. So she's like, I'm going to help. Yeah, sure,
as long as he can get what he needs to
get out of here. They need to go, and I
think they maybe they will. Maybe that could be the
ending of this season we see Daryl and Carroll get
back in the boat with these two, but that would
be too perfect, so I don't see it probably going

(21:49):
that way.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
I'm I'm pretty sure we're going to see Daryl and
Carroll get on that boat maybe with one of them,
with one of them, and I'm gonna guess it's gonna
be Justine.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
Yeah. Same Like Sorry, Roberto, I don't know if you're
gonna make it out of this season. Yeah, that would
just be too happily. Ever after there's no way that
both of them are making out of it alive. So
that's just my two cents. I could be wrong, you know,
but I hope she.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
Gives Darryl a few sailing lessons or at least some
pointers on, you know, how to get to.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
The other side. Yeah, that might be harp again.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
I mean, the ocean's big, don't get me wrong. You know,
as long as you're heading the boat, you know, with
the parallel with the sun and heading towards the setting sun,
you should be fine.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
Yeah. Well, I mean Darryl he like doesn't really he's
not grasping how much work it is to actually fix
this boat. You know. He's like, oh, we just patch
it up. She's like, you can't just patch up the
whole of the boat, Like, what do you mean just
patch it up? Like, dude, that's not really how that's
gonna work. What does he think he's gonna patch it with?

(23:06):
Probably not what he thinks is gonna be. It's gonna
be a lot more work than that. Yeah, I don't know,
we'll see. It's probably gonna take months for them to
actually leave, So I bet this season takes place over
a few months. It's gonna take a long time to
get that fixed, not a couple of days. Yeah, this
is I mean, I mean the boat is an in
terrible condition, but you can see that it definitely needs

(23:29):
some work. Andy far, it's far from the waterline, you
see that, Like, even if the tide comes in, it
doesn't come in that far, Otherwise it would have taken
the boat back out right. So yeah, the boat is.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
In dire need of someone who knows how to fix it.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
And how are they gonna get it back in the water.
That thing is heavy, I don't.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
Know, something with wheels, well, no, they're on sand maybe
like logs or something rolling in on logs.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
That's a big effort. It's gonna take a lot of
people to do it. So I don't I mean, she
might have something. Who knows. She seems to have a
lot of secrets.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
I mean, I you know, we live on the river here,
so I've seen people be you know, bring boats in
and out of the river all the time. Nothing and
we've had some big boats, don't get me wrong, but yeah,
we don't have tides like this. M h.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
Well, we talked a little bit about you know, Carol
is on a different path than Dale right now. And
I think it's a good idea that the writers are
splitting their priorities right now, because although we do have
some touch base, you know, kind of scenes with them,
you know, where they interact together and they talk about,
hey do this, do that? We got to get out

(24:45):
of here? You know all of that, it like lets
us learn more about this community in the extended communities. So,
and I think it keeps things interesting that they're not
with each other all the time. Yeah, So gives some
time for the characters to develop on both ends. Like
Carol and Antonio, I'm still holding out hope that something

(25:07):
could happen between them.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
I mean there's something. I mean, there's definitely something there
between the two of them.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
I mean it was there when you know, he was
banishing her shoulder, and it was definitely there when she
was watching movies with him. Yeah, and then he made
her a very nice dinner.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
He made her dinner and then continued to say, hey,
you know you can just ask for yeh you know,
I thought maybe I could give you an extra solar panel,
and you know, maybe if you need some food instead
of taking it out of my pantry, you know, like that,
like dang.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
Yeah, so he's been aware of what she's been doing.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
H She's like she's not as slick as she thinks.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Yeah, well, and part we can tell that Carol is
not at her normal level of cunningness. No, yeah, she
I mean there's there's there's some fogginess, you know. There,
she's a little she's discombobulated.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Yeah, although Antonio did give her the green light for
her head well externally anyway, externally.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
So, like I said, I'm pretty I mean she she
had had a terrible concussion and it can take weeks
months to really to clear the fog. And she's getting better, obviously,
she's she's not nearly as as bad as she was
even when she first came in, and part of that
was fever and infection. But you can tell that she's

(26:43):
she's but she's not not quite there.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Well, she's not fully her self. But so she is
with it though. You know, she hears the loud noises
and she grabs a weapon. She thinks she's gonna go
maybe savee someone and it's a movie, right, you know,
she burst in there with a sword and you know,

(27:09):
even with Justina, she could tell the girl and needs
to talk and she's like, I'm somebody. Think I'm somebody
you know, less I'm a checked So she's definitely I
don't think she's working at that much of a deficit.
She's just in a different place, I think. Yeah, And
I see that too. I mean she she has been
softer since she came out of the tunnel m h.

(27:32):
But there is a difference of her behavior now and
when she was in England. So she's you know, like
I said, part of it is that that that little
bit of a softer side that we're seeing, and I think,
but part of it too is just she's not quite
as there as she was saying, you know before the
boat wreck. That's fair. Yeah. So you know when she

(27:57):
was talking to Antonio and he was talking about Barcelona
and she said, like she knew someone a friend whose
brother was there or something. Do you okay? So I
did not read the comics, so that was an easter egg.
And Karina, who listens to us and helps us out

(28:18):
a lot, she sent me something where it kind of
pulls us back to noting that that's Rick's brother in
the comic books that she's referring to, because his brother
got trapped in Barcelona.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
See.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
I didn't even know Rick had a brother. Yeah, I
mean either. I was like, oh for real, I didn't,
you know, because they never mentioned him at all ever.
But they went and pulled that from the comics. Interesting.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
Yeah, because I was trying to think of who would
be in Barcelona, I'm like, and my first thought was
the pilot.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah yeah, I kind of just let it go because
I'm like, who the heck she's sawr I have no clue.
But turns out that's who she's talking about. So another
easter head egg for people who read the comic books. Interesting,
m h. It's always something. I wonder why they chose
to lay that little tip it in there.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
You know, it might just I don't know that there's
a real big plan. I mean, kind of like the
throwaway with Mona Lisa. I think they're just they're layering
things to make, you know, And I think it's also
kind of a tip to tip of the hat to
the people that used to read the comics.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
Or entertain entertain this. Let me know what you think.
We all know that this world. I think the fans
have been asking for Rick to come back, Amashon to
come back together with this cast at some point. Right,
so if by chance we're in Spain, what if the

(29:48):
next season they end up in Barcelona and they come
across someone who's Rick's brother, hmm, and then when they
go back, you know, it could just be another connection. Maybe,
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
So we're gonna drag these two incompetent children to Barcelona, okay.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Sorry, or one of them, one of them may at
least one of them, right, I don't know, because I
have a hard time thinking that they're actually gonna get
that boat back in the water. I feel like something
else is gonna happen. I just think that is a
huge feat and I don't know if they can actually
do it. So after to find another boat maybe or

(30:31):
another plane even though she didn't know how to fly,
I don't know, Or they get there and someone else
has a plane or boat or something. I don't know,
because I'm like, why would they even mention that, Like
there's no rhyme or reason other than to just throw
something out there to the you know, to the wind,
I guess, and just take people catch it, because what's

(30:51):
the point, you know, I'm saying, like, I don't know,
that's just me making some theories, but who knows. I
think that could be something later maybe maybe not maybe
mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
I mean we've already we've already determined too that they
are terrible sailors.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
Yeah, they're not good. It is very possible that they.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
Could get the boat fixed and still end up in Barcelona.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah, that's totally possible.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
I'm just saying, you know, because they're not navigators, and
they're not navigators, and I mean they've learned a little bit,
but I mean they were only on that boat with
Nigel for what three four days? Yeah, and so they
kind of understand it barely because he was thinking maybe

(31:39):
they were lost, and then you know, he's like, well
maybe not.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Maybe I'm you know, maybe not lost. You know. So
I don't think they actually know, and no one's trying
to learn anything. They just want to get the boat
fixed and hope and pray they can get it where
they needed to go. So I don't know, there's one
more season, so they've got to do something. I do

(32:04):
want them. Ultimately, My wish is for them to make
it back to their community and that at the end
of that fourth season mine too.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
Yeah, like I said, what I would really love and
again that we don't have to bring in the whole
cast of characters, you know, for for a whole season
or anything, but just on that last episode, you know,
them all reuniting, or as many of them as they
can bring back. I mean she mentioned Jerry even, which
is man, they haven't mentioned him in forever. Yeah, and

(32:34):
you know, you remind me of you know, someone I know, Jerry,
And so that was kind of a also kind of
a throwaway comment as well.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Yeah, they're bringing up all in all in one episode,
so you.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
Know, and then we've got Darryl putting down the Ruby's cube,
you know, at the.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
At the at the little monument thing. Yeah, yeah, which
you know he's thinking about Laurent. Mm hm.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
There is a lot of references to people in their past,
more so than than they normally dom h. So yeah,
I mean I did pick up on that.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Yeah, same, I don't know so I and I think
also obviously, if they make it back to the community,
Laurent will be there looking a kazillion years older, because
you know, kids grow, right, they do do that. Yeah,
they grow up into adults. So who knows, he might
even be a full fledge adult by the time they
get around to taping that. Who knows, but I don't know. Yeah,

(33:34):
there was a lot of references to people in the
past in this episode, and I think I've got to
think it was by design and like on purpose, not
just like, oh, let's do this, throw it up there. Oh,
let's try this throw it up there. Hopefully it comes
back around to actually mean something than just for the
sake of throwing Easter eggs in there, right, because I'm

(33:54):
not I don't know. I don't think that's fun if
it doesn't have any kind of pay off somewhere later.
I mean, maybe that's maybe that's asking too much. I
don't know. Also, we did get a couple more scenes
of Daryl's past, a couple more.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
Yeah, here and there. Yeah, I ran away a few times. Yeah,
complicated reasons, Yeah, not really complicated, but.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
You know, too complicated for him to want to explain.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
I guess right, I don't think it's complicated. I just
don't think you wanted to talk about it.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
Yeah, which is fair, just but I'm kind of wondering
how all of these scenes will come together and what
revelation his character will have or what you know, resolution
or he'll figure out through this journey. Hopefully it's something again,
these have to mean something. It has to come, you know,

(34:47):
to a point at some point. He can't just I
guess you could, but I think it's pointless. You just
have the flashbacks without any kind of payoff for them, Like,
what are we seeing? Why are we seeing it? What
is Daryl learning or healing from?

Speaker 3 (35:01):
I'm gonna so almost all the scenes that we've seen
with Darryl flashing back is his abusive father.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
Hm.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
I think it's going to tie into the girls that
are taken because we saw the one wife when she
sat up, had bruises on her had a big ass
bruise on her shoulder.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
I don't think she fell from a horse.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
No, she did not, She absolutely did not. And I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
I mean, something tells me that these memories of his
childhood and that bruise that we saw today are going
to end up tying in together later on. Well, I
don't know how he would see that bruise. It would
be and I don't think it necessarily. I think it's
setting up this where Daryl goes okay enough, yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
Yeah, but they left though at the end of this episode,
they all left out it. They skid Dad all out
of there. So maybe the girl tells him about it,
you know, while they're all talking about what happened or whatnot.
Maybe maybe I don't know.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
I mean, my guess is, as soon as they get
back and Roberto finds out that his one true love
has sacrificed herself, he's gonna be on the road trying
to find him.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
Well, he's gonna lose his mind.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
Oh, he's gonna lose his mind, absolutely, Yeah. And Carol
could track them if if she really wanted to. I mean,
I mean, there are vehicles that can't be that hard. Yeah,
But Darryl's definitely the better tracker between the two. And
it could even be that Roberto tells him, I won't

(36:46):
unless you help me find her. I'm not gonna let you.
I'm not gonna help you with the boat anymore. And
without his help, the ship's captain won't help him.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
Right, That could happen. That definitely could happen. And then
I guess that would also encourage, you know, Roberto's dad
to come because he knows his son is worthless. Basically
he can't do anything, so he would probably come and
help as well. So I could see like a little
group of them on the road to try to find

(37:14):
where they are. Yeah, because they can't. They're not gonna
stay in this town. They're not gonna stay in this town.
We're gonna see it. I don't think.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
Yeah, I don't think they're gonna. Well, they stay in
the town at least long enough for to get fireballed.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
M then they're out.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
Then they're out, mm hmm. And I'm hoping the town
doesn't fall. You know, it's been around for a while,
and you know, it's a nice community. I want to
see it stand. I want Daryl and Carroll to go
to a community that does not fall by the end
of their leading.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
And I realize they're giving a daughter, you know, once
a year. I get that part.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
But for the rest of the time, this really isn't
a terrible community. We have seen so many worse.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
It feels like everywhere they go just trouble follows them.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
This is what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
Yeah, I would just once like a community to stand
after they leave. Is that too much to ask for? Like,
how about not destroy everything? Well, no, that would be
a lot to ask for it, But maybe maybe here
if that could happen.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
I mean, these guys are like walking hexes at this point.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
Actually, everyone from their initial group are just walking hexes
because it doesn't matter what community do they any of
them go to, they end up bringing it down.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
It's always a mess, and they under the guise of
them trying to help write or do the right thing,
but it just turns into the biggest cluster ever every time.
Every time. Yeah, because I don't know.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
This community has been ongoing since the apocalypse started. Mm hm,
and they've They've not done terrible, truthfully. I mean they
have some power, a little movie theater. You know, no
one is starving. It's not a dictatorship, right, It is
a monarchy, but you know the king only comes around

(39:09):
once a year, so it doesn't really matter. M m yeah,
I mean it's I would just truthfully, I would really
like to see this community stand.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Yeah, well maybe we can hope. It would be the
worst thing ever for them not to leave something in
ashes as they walk away.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
Right, I mean, I guess they can knock the community
around a little bit, you know, cot it upside the head.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
I guess, but let it survive. For God's sake. Half
of the community might be dead, but leave it so
they can rebuild. Yeah, at least now.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
I am kind of wondering if they figure out that
the three guys that went missing was because of Darryl,
And I'm wondering if that's the source of the fireballs.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
So if they probably, I don't know if they'll figure
out it's Darryl per se. But this this guy already
knows that these two Americans are a problem. So between
Carol just opening her quote unquote big mouth, right, and
then Darryl, you know, they pass him, A couple of
soldiers passed him as he's walking out. You know, they

(40:16):
they're gonna figure out there, probably will assume that he
has something to do with it. You know, I don't
know how. Maybe they'll see them as walkers in that pen.
Maybe yeah, one guy mm hmmm. So I don't know. Yeah,
well we know he doesn't. He thinks that this town

(40:36):
has to you know, kiss the ring basically and make
up for whatever he thinks was wrong about Carol opening
her mouth and showing disrespect. So maybe I don't know,
or maybe the Bandeleiro people come, Maybe it's them, Maybe
it's not this guy. And that's also a possibility, yeah,

(41:00):
because they seem like they just trying to take stuff.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Well, because I mean the one thing I don't understand
with this whole, you know, taking the girls in exchange
for a trunk full of whatever. And I'm not saying
some of the stuff can't be useful mm hmm, but
what is it worth the loss of a person and
two while there's they are supposed to be like a coalition,

(41:24):
I'm not sure if one of them gets attacked, there's
no mechanism for any anybody else to come to their aid.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
M hm.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
You know, I mean when they had when we had
like Alexandria, Hilltop and Ocean Side, they would come to
each other's aid, right, But I don't think that's that's
what this is, right, you know, for the most part,
the monarchy takes and it gives a little bit back.
But I don't think it protects.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
No, no, because they would have had soldiers there or something.
They're already I mean some kind of rotation of protection
or something. You can't just leave them there. You can't
protect from afar r phones.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
Right, And that's what you know, So you know, I
almost feel like the monarchy is more of a security blanket,
m you know, than a shield. Yeah, I get that
because even Carol pointed out, what are you getting in exchange?

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Or are these girls work? What's in that box?

Speaker 3 (42:29):
And I didn't get a good look, but I mean,
and it seemed like there was what looked like a
little bit of medicine, maybe some weapons, but I really
didn't and they didn't really show too much what was
in there, but it didn't seem like a lot. And
it definitely wasn't. I mean, if it's it was, if
it was equally distributed throughout the community, would it.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
Make a difference. Who knows? Maybe not? Probably not not
A well they're doing this, you know, the guy said, hey,
we're happy to be a part of this alliance. Right,
so whatever they're getting, for some reason, they've either been
brainwashed to think this is good for them or something

(43:11):
about this actually is good for them, because why do it? Right? So,
and I guess at this point we're so far into it,
I don't know if we'll ever actually no, if it's
worth it, maybe they'll just say screw it and just
you know, after whatever explosion happens or whatever happens next week.

(43:32):
You know, maybe the leader of this community is fine
with them trying to get their people back and being
done with this, you know, whole thing, this whole alliance.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
Who knows, because, like I said, unless there's more to
it that I'm not seeing or we're not seeing, it
doesn't seem like they're getting a lot out of the deal.
And he does call it an alliance, but an alliance
means that if you're in trouble, someone will come right.

(44:02):
You're supposed to have each other's back, right, And I'm
not seeing that. Yeah, definitely feels lopsided, that's for sure.
And Carol obviously spots that She's like, is this if
I'm worth it?

Speaker 1 (44:19):
Probably not? Probably not. And I think a lot of
the community would agree. But because of whatever their leader
is saying, they're just complying. No one's pushing back. Well,
things are comfortable right now.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
I mean, it's uncomfortable to lose a daughter, Okay, don't
get me wrong, But for the rest of you know,
for the other three hundred and sixty or you know,
sixty three days, it's pretty comfortable there, right, So there's
really not a.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Lot of underlying tension to really rile people up. Hm.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
And because they're only taking one person at a time.
If they came in and rounded up all the girls
of a certain age, that would get the whole town
in and uproar, and they absolutely wouldn't stand for it.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
M hm. So it said they're going to come back
and just take one every year, right. The slow attrition
is you know, you know, it's kind of like the
frog in the boiling water. If you start off, you know,
at a low temperature. By the time it's deadly, it's
too late for the frog to get out because they
just didn't notice until it was too late. Yeah, yeah,

(45:38):
well that could be this. I don't know if we'll
ever get that deep in the roots of it. But
I am still thinking about what you said last week
about this guy and how many wives he has. Yeah, curious, Yeah,
I don't know. He got them wives by forest, that's
for sure. No one is wanting the dude. He seems

(45:58):
so mean. You know, I'm saying he's just got a
bad personality, Like he seems mean, he seems deceitful. And
I don't believe what the girl said at that dinner
last week. You know, she's like, look at me, I'm
proof we're fine. I don't believe it for a second,
like you, I don't think she fell off the horse.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
Well, and she when she was with the other woman
and she's like my husband, yes, and you've never called
him by name? Who's your husband?

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Right? Oh? So christ uh huh, it's so grunge now.
Something is bad. Something smells bad here? Yeah, mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
I mean the ship captain with two husbands, all right, fine,
because they are both there willingly, all right, that's a
whole different scenario. If if you're in a situation like
that and everyone is a willing participant, and that's fine.
But if you're rounding up young girls and you are
forcing them into this, it's not fine. Right, It's two

(47:03):
wholly different things, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
So with them kind of splitting time between Darryl and Carol,
do you think that next week, because they took Justina,
do you think we'll see any screen time with her
without either of our main characters. Do you think we'll
get to see what's going on there? I don't know.
Maybe that would be fun, I think, to see what

(47:29):
she's seeing before the others come. Yeah, I think it
would be too. I wouldn't mind it at all, because
I'm very curious about it now, and they've talked it up.
You know, it's such a big point of I guess
contention here, right, this is the whole driving force behind
all of this. So I want to see what's going on.
I want to see firsthand, and hopefully we can see

(47:50):
it through Justina.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
Yeah, I think we will. I'm hoping it'll be next episode.
I mean, we don't have a lot of episodes live.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
Yeah, so interesting, And this was another episode that was
like it had a lot going on, but really there
was only like four or five main things going on
in this story. It was still kind of a tight story.
And I don't mind that.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
I mean, because you and I had talked about, particularly
in The Walking Dead, that they had gotten to the
point where there were so many characters, there were so
many people that no one really, no one really got
a lot of good screen time, and we'd even forget
about characters just because we hadn't seen them in a while. Right,

(48:34):
So you know, I don't mind that they're they're keeping
these episode tight and and there's a lot of people around,
but we don't they don't really matter, you know, right,
there's the backdrop right for this story, So I'm not
hating the way that they're they're keeping these episodes pretty contained.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
Yeah, I agree. So they're tight episodes with a little
bit of action. You know. They threw in some Walkers
for our sake, you know, to keep things interesting. Same
with last episode where Dyl's fighting. He's doing all the
interactions with the Walkers this season so far. Well, he's
the only one that's really going out too m hm.

(49:17):
So you know, or doing anything other than.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
Well, you know, Carol's just not herself right now, No,
she is not.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Maybe she'll do some killing before the end of the season,
you know, yeah, instead of ooing and eyeing over a
cute couple that was just so weird to me. Still, Yeah,
but you know, I guess it is what it is.
So we'll see how long it takes Carol to get
back to herself. Will they get in the boat and leave?

(49:46):
We will yet to see what happens there.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
Well, like I said, they could get in that boat
and very well end up in Barcelona anyway, you end
up anywhere. Yeah, they don't know what the hell they're doing, right,
and they don't have they have a I mean it's
a sailboat, but they don't have a motor. So if
the seas get calm, they have no way to go forward.
There's no you know, it's not like they're gonna row

(50:10):
row row their boat. And if there's another storm, neither
one of them know what to do obviously, right, Honestly,
I don't think any three of them knew what to
do in a storm like that, which is why it
ended up so bad.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
But you know, yeah, I guess we'll have to see. Yeah,
I don't know. Maybe that lady will give them a
lesson on what to do. You know, she's a captain
after all. Yeah, it's cruise ships, but you know, yeah,
but still navigation is navigation, so navigation is navigation. Yeah, yeah,

(50:52):
maybe she can help them. And I bet she's driven
all kinds of boats, and you know, the cruise ship
is just the craziest, biggest boat you've ever seen. Yeah,
she can drive a little one. Or who knows, maybe
she'll end up with them, maybe she'll leave. I don't
think she'll leave her boys. She's not leaving her guys.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
Yeah I thought about that, but like, yeah, well that
voat is entirely too small to have Carol Darrell, her
her two husbands, and and then even just one of
the kids.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Yeah, it's too small. It is entirely too small. I
mean that's just that. That's really like a two three
person vote at most. Yeah. The three of them, three
adults was hard enough on there. Yeah, there was not
a lot of room. M m. Yeah. The whole gang
is not leaving. It's only going to be one more person. Yeah,
and we said it here, it's gonna be Justina. I
think we're right, and that's why I think it's gonna

(51:42):
be Yeah. Mm hmmm. If they get back on the boat,
that is all right. Anything else you think, no, I
think that's about it. Yeah. Okay, Well, this was a
fun time talking about episode three, and of course thank
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