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October 14, 2025 58 mins
In this episode review, Tamara and Lisa discuss the intense developments in the latest episode of The Walking Dead Universe. They explore Daryl's challenges, character growth, and the dynamics within the community. The conversation touches on the humor and light moments amidst the tension, as well as the backstories of key characters like Antonio. They express anticipation for the finale, emphasizing the need for character resolutions and plot payoffs.

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
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(00:30):
I am your host, Tamara, and I love a good
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can also find me at shelf Addiction. Joining me is
show co host Lisa.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Welcome, Lisa, Hey, Tamra, Hey everyone.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
My name is Lisa Orban. I am an author. I
am also the founder of Indies United publishing.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
House, and I love all things pop culture, So if
you would like to connect with me online, you can
find me pretty much everywhere at Lisa Urban Author or
at indic United.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Pub So, before we dive in a few quick things, first,
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(01:25):
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in our view style, right Lisa. Oh, absolutely, Tamra.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
This is a conversation, not a dissertation.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Exactly, no scene by scene breakdowns here, we jump around
and of course huge spoiler alert for everything in the
world through yesterday's episode. If you're cool with that, this
is the place for you, and we should just jump
right on in. Okay, episode six one more to go. Yep,
what do you think? This was way more intense than

(01:58):
last week's You think? Well? I think so? Yeah, Okay,
tell me why. Well, let's see.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Uh, we had poisonings and a lot of threats and
a lot of you know, a lot of fighting, and
it just seemed it just seemed like a little more
of a tense episode.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
H Okay, Yeah, I get what you're saying. Yeah, that's
totally fair. Did I like it more than last week's episode?
I'm gonna say no for me, but I liked it
just you know, fine. They kept with the formula which
I enjoy for this show, and yeah, all good stuff. Really,

(02:41):
I honestly don't have that many complaints. That's good.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
I don't know who made that lock for those for
the for the back of the truck, but I gotta
tell you they must have been master craftsman or made
it out of titanium or something.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Okay, So I kind of suspected he would not be
able to get that lock off. I thought, you know,
we need him to fail at something, and it's going
to be that lock.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
And he did mm hmm. Although it does kind of
surprise me a little bit. I mean, knowing that they
were going to go in and try to break this lock,
why they didn't bring something bigger for more leverage?

Speaker 1 (03:24):
You know? The only thing I can think is they
didn't have it just played. They just didn't have it, yeah,
because it would have made sense to have something bring
it with you, right, they had made all these grand plans.
That would have been a big mess. If they had
something and they just forgot it or didn't think to
bring it, that would have been a mess. So I'm

(03:44):
gonna say they didn't have it. Yeah, yeah, and poor Darryl,
he looks so sad. He was so like up like
kind of upset that he couldn't do it. You know,
I think he was shocked that he did get her free.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
You know, well he's usually pretty good at these things,
you know, breaking into things, getting stuff, you know all that.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
And yeah, he failed, he did fail, and I actually
I think that's good for him. He needs to fail
at something. But that also moves the story forward. So yeah,
and they're moving on from Barcelona. Now, they're gonna go
to their next stop, right, which is I think the

(04:29):
home base for these people, right, it might be yuh yeah,
So I think that's gonna be interesting. Just from a
little quick preview, I saw him like, okay, yeah, because
they're all the girls are all cleaned up and wear
another outfit. So yeah, it looks like they're going somewhere
like that. So I don't know, we'll see, but I

(04:54):
like that. You know, he didn't win. I guess he
had to take a loss in now he has to
go on and keep fighting, although I must say that
seriously sucks that he dragged those people into that, did
not win, did not accomplish what he needed, and old
girl's Pause friend died like dude, like she does, and

(05:18):
they got they let all those Walkers loose. Yeah, what
a mess. It was not a win for them that day. No,
it was a complete loss all around, a real mess.
And that kind of like we mentioned before, that kind
of follows Darryl, Right, yeah, yeah, Darryld.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
The you know, it really is the curse of the
you know, the the the group that we have been
following since The Walking Dead. It seems like every time
they go somewhere, it just should go south.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yeah. They're trying to like be resourceful and to be fair,
Daryld did tell Pause, hey, we don't need help, we
could just do it on our own. Yeah, and she
said no, I know. People, so they went and now
this is the result. But I must say I was
also surprised that, even after everything was said and done,

(06:15):
for her to be so happy to have seen her friends,
she didn't even seem that sad when the girl died. Yeah,
I'm like that was odd.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Right, Well, I mean, she could just be really good
at masking it, but yeah, I thought she'd be a
little sadder.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
Yeah, it's like, oh, well, what's next? Was like, dang,
all right, we're moving on to the next city. Let's go.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, we'll leave, you know, terribly sorry for your loss,
and now we're moving on.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah, like you take care of them girls if no, nothing.
It was so weird to me. I just thought that
just didn't seem right, being that, you know, she lived
there with them for a while before she moved on,
so I don't know she tucked them into it. The
girl dies and she's like, well, thankes for help. So sorry,

(07:04):
and you.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Know all those guards that they had tied up they
didn't make it either.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
Oh no, they died. Oh they definitely died. Oh yeah, yeah.
They're wrecking balls anyone associated with our main group. They
come in, just wreck some stuff and then keep it moving.
People die. No, I will say that.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
You know, Darryl did a pretty good job of not
you know, bringing a wrecking ball through the lepers.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
I mean that was that was new. Yeah, yeah, that's true.
He did. He was successful there. Yeah, that's true. I
guess he doesn't do it every single time. But I
guess kind of the fact that we're meeting and discarding
new groups is kind of like the old Walking Dead,
you know, kind of feels like that to me, like,

(07:53):
but sped up a little bit, like instead of sending
I guess, spending a whole season with only one group,
trying to deal with one group, we're like flying through
them by episodes, meat discard, meat discard. So I wonder
what's gonna be next. We're going to meet another group,
He's gonna get more help? Is he going to be
a solo you know, just him and pause? I don't know,

(08:18):
I have no idea. Yeah, but I'm curious to see
what they end up doing with it. I think actually
the fact that they're deciding to do that, or they
decided to do that with this season is making this
season move faster to me than versus last season or
even the season before or the first season.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
I mean they were traveling, you know they or was
it last season? Yeah, they were traveling and stuff, but
it wasn't like but there was like a core group
that they were sticking with. H So yeah, and then
well no, actually Daryl was pretty much which is they
were there at the at the sanctuary, you know, the

(09:00):
church right place at the end of the world. But
the season before that, you know, they had been moving
around a lot.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
But you know, yeah, I like I like this though,
because you know the show, they have to kill people.
That's just a part of living in a world with zombies.
People have to die, and people have to turn and
be eaten. And there's no easier way to do that
than with a bunch of people that we just met
and we are not invested in them. So m hm

(09:32):
mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
You know now, or Berto on the other hand, you know,
he's having kind of a rough time of things.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
Okay, that poor kid. He's getting quote unquote healed, but
instead he's getting poisoned. How dreadful?

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah, well, and he seemed to have been doing better
and then he was not.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
No, he was not. I guess do you think like
Vede gave his mom some poison and she just didn't know,
because clearly when towards the end she helped Carol. So
I'm thinking she just didn't know. I don't think she knew.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yeah, otherwise I don't think she would have helped.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yeah, she would have just turned Carol in. Yeah, well
that was a way to find out what the cat.
I'm like, not the cat. I should have known when
he was sitting there, when Antonio was sitting there holding
the cat, I'm like, oh no. Thinking back in retrospect,
I'm like, you know, that was probably a sign that
the cat was not going to be around for long.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
No, we haven't seen the cat here and there the season,
but not the cat got a lot of airtime this episode.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
It did. It was eating out of the ball and
she shoot him away. It was kind of obvious. Now
that you know, I think about it, I'm like, oh, oh,
poor cat. I can't believe it kills an animal. Oh well,
now the shower scene was actually pretty funny. Okay, girl,
I was laughing. I said, oh, man, without clothes. She

(11:15):
hasn't seen that in a long time. She was stunned,
I think, very discombobulated. She didn't know how to react
to that. But to run away, No, I I just
needed a screwdriver. I'll look around anywhere, but at you. Yeah,

(11:37):
I'll just keep looking in and then I'm gonna like,
you know yeah. And he's like, not really that bothered.
I think he was kind of surprised by her. But
then he's like, oh, there's plenty of hot water. She like,
what I'm out of here. He's like, I didn't mean
with me. I don't like that in general. Well, you know,

(12:00):
I kind of was waiting for something, and you know,
she did get a little lip action there at the
end of the thing. So she finally got to I
guess have a mini sample of the local wine. Yes, yes, yes,
which I'd like that for Carol. I liked it a lot.
I'm like, that's really cute and that really makes me

(12:23):
hope that he does end up leaving with them. I
would love that for her.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
She deserves it, and she she's had, you know, she's
had a few people that she has loved. Yeah, she
was married to a king once. You know, she was
Queen Carol.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Remember that.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
I wouldn't they be surprised to know at one point
she had been called Queen Carol.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
But but yeah, you know, this is this is different.
You know, he's this is a different kind of relationship
than she's had before in the past.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
Yeah, this guy, he has a lot of regrets for
things he's done. He you know, he said he is
the blame you know what I mean, for the death
of his wife. Yeah, and Roberto's mother. So I think
that is a level of heavy that Carol can relate to.

(13:22):
You know, So I think they connect on a different
way than she was able to with her previous husband. Yeah,
so maybe this one might work out well if he
lives that long. If he lives that long, I know,
who knows if that will happen, but I kind of

(13:44):
like it. I like, you know, they're both to really
damaged people and they somehow connected even what over the
course of a couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, yeah, and you can tell that Carol is getting
back to her more competent self mm hmm. Just by
the way she was handling her handgun when she got stopped. Yeah,
she wasn't. She wasn't acting confused. She was she was

(14:20):
very deliberately moving and I'm like, hey, look Carol's back.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Yeah, she was ready to just start shooting. And yeah,
I think she's been kind of back, but I think
you're right. That kind of did show us, like for
she's for real now she's got a purpose and she's
not messing around and she is fully there.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Yeah, because she know, you know, up until really this episode,
she had been I mean she was still kind of there,
but a little spacey, you know, almost kind of like
she was walking around out in like a in a
slight days like someone who's been for far too long
they're you know, they're there, but you know they're not

(15:09):
quite mm hmmm. And uh watching her, you know, put
her hand on on you know, on her on the handgun,
and you know the way she was sliding through, and I'm.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Like, oh, yeah, there we go, there's Karra.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
We found her.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
Yeah, she's got her. Her character though, has always kind
of done a really good job seeming in a sense
and soft, yeah, but also being hard. And people who
don't know her don't know that. Yeah. So I think
even though she kind of had a deficit from that

(15:44):
head wound, the people in that town couldn't tell. They
just probably thought that was her, right right, you know,
but we know we know. Yeah, that poor kid, he's
back there under the panel with his head sticking out.
I'm like, she didn't even hide him that well. They

(16:05):
should have saw him the minute they looked in the.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Back of that truck. Oh, absolutely, they should have. I
don't know, they should have put like a sheet of
plywood down or a plank or I don't know something.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
They should have hidden him better, Yeah, because I'm like, oh,
they're gonna see him and it's gonna be like a
fight or something. And that didn't happen. But I guess
we're supposed to just I guess suspend disbelief for that.
But there's no way they didn't see him. That was
horrible hiding. Yes, but yeah, she actually got saved by

(16:40):
you know, her boyfriend. He came up and said, hey,
what's going on? Are we in prison? Now? We can't
let people leave, you know, and starts telling everyone the business,
which is he's gonna pay for later. He's gonna pay
for later.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Oh yeah, you know, which is part of the reason
why Darryl's like, you know, fainting ignor and is probably
our best bet here because you know, Beda's not gonna
be real happy about any of this.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
No, no, but now, okay, so remember you had a
theory about their relationship. I was wrong.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Yeah, well I wasn't. I mean, I was wrong, But
it does turn out he did have you know, he
had an unrequited love with you know, Roberta's mother.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yes, and he was pretty salty. He's still salty about it. Yeah,
he had our picture still. Yeah, like, that's been a
long time and that was never your person.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
So what is that that's kind of creepy. Well, when
I first saw the picture, I'm like, oh, maybe I'm right.
You know, she had a you know, an affair or something, and.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
You know.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
That's why he doesn't want the two of them together.
But no, it's mostly because he's he's a selfish little
you know, he's such a baby like he he whines
and he tries to cheat all the time.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
So again, I still don't think he's quote unquote like
a villain exactly. He's just petty. Yeah, he's very petty.
To the point though, I guess when you try to
kill an innocent child, that does make you a villain. Yeah,
just because you didn't want the truth to get out.
So I guess, yeah, that he's turned villain. That that

(18:33):
and that alone would make him a villain because he
wasn't trying to kill someone for well, I guess in
his mind is for the good of.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
The group, but mostly it's just to help secure his
position with the village, right, to make sure nothing upsets
his apple cart.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
Mm hmmm, Well, I did like that we did see
the history of Antonio and his wife and what happened
with that that was jarring the way that explosion killed
her and explains how his face looks the way it does. Yeah,

(19:14):
I got so disfigured. Yeah, yeah, but that was wild.
Like so she was helping him with something she didn't
believe in, but she was doing it because he wanted
and then she dies for it. And I think that
was unique how they decided to show it through a
movie instead of a flashback. I thought that was different.

(19:36):
We have enough flashback, so it was nice that they
switched it up. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Well, and I mean he was filming this. He was
trying to make a documentary, right although considering his wife
had just died in an explosion and his face had
gotten you know, sheared almost off and you know, the
walking or the dead rose at that particular moment. The
that he managed to remember to take his his film gear,

(20:04):
it's you know, pretty impressive.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yeah. I mean, when people started waking up and his
wife started moving, I wouldn't think that would just make
someone just want to run, but you know, he stopped
and got his camera.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
So I mean he may have had his camera with him.
I don't know, maybe, but yeah, I mean I'm going
to assume considering the time frame, I mean, I guess
it could have been small, but I don't know how
small it would have been. If it was a professional camera,
not that small.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
I don't know. I guess we didn't see the camera,
but I guess anything's possible. But I thought that was
really interesting and you can see why he carries the guilt.
And of course, anytime anytime someone makes a confession like that,
someone's there to hear that. They don't want to.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Well, yeah, you know, and it's not you know, if
he had just quietly told her off in the corner somewhere.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
Now, instead he's crying and yelling that it's his fault.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
You know, pounding on his chest, it's my fault.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
And uh yeah, which it was his fault technically, that's
why she was there, Yeah, because of him. But that's
unfortunate that his son had to find out that way.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah, and and I understand why he didn't that he
probably should have told Roberto what had happened a long
long ago.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
Mm hmm. But you know how the parents are, they're like,
when it's the right time to tell something like that,
There is no right time, but that's the excuse they use.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
Oh I am curious because he would have had to
have confessed for anyone to know what happened, because she
died on the same day that again the dead woke up. Right,
he didn't have to admit to anything to anyone. Fedda
didn't need to know. How did he know unless he
saw the film footage.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
Yeah, I don't know. I guess we may or may
not find that out. I don't know. Maybe he confided
in him about it. So yeah, he's like, get the
impression I could have what a maybe girlfriend?

Speaker 2 (22:26):
Well, I kind of get the impression at one point
in time they may have been friends.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
It seems like that. It seems that way for sure.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
You know that at one point you know, kind of
like you know that song Jesse's Girl, I want Jesse's girl,
that they were friends. And then you know, when Feda
lost out, he was not happy.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
Mm hmm. But yeah, I mean you're right.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
I suppose Antonio could have just confided to him because
he needed to confide in somebody and he wasn't gonna
tell his son, right, and probably thought he could trust
him because they had been friends. That that's that would
make sense and why no one else knows?

Speaker 1 (23:10):
So well, now everyone's gonna know. Yeah it was he
owned it. Yeah, he owned it. Everyone's gonna know. And
I think is gonna try to make him look like
the villain in all of this after his outburst. You know.
So I wonder if his mother will feed's mother, the

(23:36):
old woman will help him, you know, out of being
tortured or whatever he ends up doing to him, because
it seems like she, you know, she's got a line. Obviously,
she's got a line in the sand. So I wonder
if this is a step too far as well, it
might be I I.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
You know, a lot of ways, this community has been,
compared to a lot of other places, fairly untouched by
what has happened to the world outside.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
You know, they still have all of their possessions. You know,
they're they're still in their ancestral village. You know, the
women are still wearing the skirts and the kerchiefs, and.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
You know, so this is.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
You know, that compared to a lot of other places.
If they're very soft mm hmm. But you know, I'm
kind of hoping that the people around there go, Okay,
maybe this is a bridge too far. You know, we've
been giving giving out o girls, and we find out
that you know, has been lying to us about a
lot of things. Yeah, and come around or not. It's really,

(24:57):
it's it's hard to say.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
I think Carol planted in his mother's head that feed
as a liar, So I think it's totally possible she
would turn on him for his own good, you know,
and maybe he'll admit some of the stuff. I don't know,
but Carol was very smart when she got busted to

(25:21):
like use the words she had and not get shot.
I thought that scene was pretty good. She's like, he
is a liar, he lies. Yeah, So now it's like,
once you hear something, you can't you can't unring the bell, right,
So I think at the very least, the truth will
come out about him to the community, and maybe maybe

(25:45):
he doesn't survive the next episode. I don't know. Well,
and I did think so.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
He did find out in this episode that this whole
rounding up of the girls was apparently supposed to be
a one time thing. Yeah, they were only supposed to
do it once for repopulation, you know whatever, right, and
now it's turned into an annual event. And I don't

(26:14):
know how many girls they're gathering up. They had what
two or three in the back of that truck.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
This least sounds just like trafficking.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
And they're going to go to at least one more place.
And when we saw the previews for next week, we
saw a line of girls, probably about six of them.
So and when we were at that sanctuary, we found
out that a lot of the girls, you know, the
girls that could escape and have escaped, have gone there, right,

(26:47):
and a lot of their fates doesn't apparently seem to
be good.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
No, not at all. I mean the one girl who
was playing the instrument, they said, you know, she didn't
really speak for three months, Yeah, for three months. Like,
what the heck is going on? What are they doing
to people? It's not good. It never is, I mean
honestly from day one when we found out that's they

(27:13):
were coming around like collecting girls through a lottery, right basically.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
And then those girls ever you know, speak to their
families again.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Yeah, nothing good can be going on. Now. It would
be different if you know, their families were allowed to
go see them. And this was a.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Like more of a cultural exchange, so to speak, where
it was a little more on the up and up,
be slightly different where if the girls volunteered to go, oh,
I'd like to go live in court, you know, hm,
and be a lady in waiting or whatever.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
But yeah, that's not what's happening here. No, I mean
even Galirimo, that's his name, right, he's looking at that
girl like what what have you done? You know, like,
what are you looking at?

Speaker 2 (28:11):
What?

Speaker 1 (28:12):
That whole scene when the fight was breaking out and
she spotted paused, he saw that. He's gonna show what
an evil person he is. It's gonna come out even
more next episode. We gonna see I mean, it's it's
barely below the surface as it is. He is not
a nice person. No, it's it's gonna be all bad

(28:35):
when it comes out next week. It's gonna be horrific.
We're gonna all be like, oh my gosh. And if
it's not, I'm gonna be mad because that means that
they oversold it, you know what I mean. It better
be bad, and Daryl's gonna rescue them from that life
of misery.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Something tells me that, you know, because he couldn't get
the two girls this time, that when he goes in there,
it's gonna be free them all.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Yes, it is. That's exactly what's gonna happen. He's gonna
see what's going on, and then suddenly he's gotta let
all of them, help all of them get away, and
that's just the right thing to do. He would you know,
Daryl has a line as well, so I think that's
what would happen. He's gonna go there with the intent

(29:26):
of getting two people and he's gonna come out with
I don't know, fifteen or twenty maybe a lot more
than that.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yeah, because they've been doing this since shortly after the the.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
World fell apart. Yeah, assuming all the girls are still
in the same location together. Yeah, yeah, mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
I'm gonna say probably between ten and twenty mm hm.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
This payoff better be worth it it better Please do
not lam flat after all of this. You know, you
have people being kidnapped, We're seeing people in a like
jailed basically in a carriage like they make They are
really building this up to be like basically, like I said, trafficking,

(30:20):
and it better be a payoff. And that's something stupid,
That's all I'm saying. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Now I am kind of curious, Yeah, because she was
kind of walking freely when when Roberto you know, pirate
you know, ran away with her. I'm wondering if they
put the they put them in this lock truck simply
because of that happening. If they had not, if they
had not been locked up like this prior.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
To that, probably that makes sense to me because I'm
pretty sure that all the girls have been brainwashed to
think that this is their duty, this is what they're
supposed to do. So I'm sure very few few of
them actually tried to run away at that point. Yeah,
I'm sure it happens, but not very often, so I

(31:10):
don't know. I gotta imagine they just had that, but
maybe they weren't in it, you know, like a plan
B if they act up put them in there maybe.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah, Or they could have been you know, the I mean,
the bars could have been there and stuff before, but
the lock was was added.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
Mm hmm, that too. I don't know if we'll get
that level of detail though, but I'm seeing to think
about you know, yeah, she was she was wandering fairly
freely around that camp.

Speaker 4 (31:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yeah, they were all kind of resting, right they were hmm, yeah,
I don't know. She did say I'll be right back,
right and she just walked off, yep. So it does
seem like that they were at least she was pretty
much free at that point.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
And again and like you said, it's when these girls
get taken, it's I don't think they have that many.
They don't really have good, you know, survival skills. So
they probably figured none of these girls would take up,
particularly at night. M h you know straight away from
the security the safety of you know, the guys that

(32:21):
have the guns, right, So yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Yeah, that makes sense to me, Like why would they
because we've been told more than once, especially at the
beginning of this, how unprepared for Broto and just you know,
were to even be out there. Yeah, so yeah, they
would not anticipate those girls running off in the middle

(32:46):
of the night. So that was a fluke, you know.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
And honestly, I gotta tell you if I had been
if they had run off, I would have. They didn't
even get as far as the light tower before they
had to go it probably in the water. Yeah, you know,
you know they had gone to the light tower, I'm
pretty sure they you know, they could have hit out
there for a little while, but now you know, they

(33:12):
made it less than a day's walk away from the
from the place before they decided to you know, just
clown around.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
That's some kids stuff right there, Like you're not even
out of the prix, you know, get away from where
you're trying to get away from before you relax. Yeah,
it's so stupid, and I think I felt like that
when it first happened. I'm like, they're just they're so
close to their home. What is this a day trip? Yeah?

(33:40):
You know, I mean they.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yeah, there was no situational awareness going on there. No,
I mean, for God's sakes, Carol was the state of
there watching?

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Yes, Yeah, which is which also makes me wonder why
did were or to even think that he can run
away with her? Obviously the kid can't barely drive either. Yeah.
What a cluster like they are just acting with their

(34:12):
feelings and not with their heads as teenagers do as
they tend to do. Yes, yeah, leave it to the
adults to rescue everyone because you're all crazy.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Well, and I mean, and you know Roberto's dad, you know,
I mean, they've commented several times. You know, you can't
handle it out there. You don't know how to survive
out there. You wouldn't last one day by yourself. And honestly,
they're probably not wrong, right, but then again, that could
probably be said for most of the people inside of.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
That you know, inside that town, which I honestly, I
don't understand that. I don't because how I think that's
really irresponsible to have people unprepared to defend themselves. It
is unprepared, completely unprepared. That is so irresponsible. I don't

(35:11):
quite understand that. But I guess maybe that's maybe something
that Fedter would want. You know, Hey, I protect you
with these things that we get, and we've got it.
The small handful of us that can use the weapons
we've got, We've got you protected. And that's it.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
And I don't think I get the impression that there's
not a lot of walkers around there. I mean, there
are a few, but I don't I don't I get
the impression. This isn't you know, it's not like New
York or you know, a lot of the heavy, heavily
populated areas.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Oh, you have a bunch of them on the premises
for security or punishment or whatever you want to use
them for that and that alone, I would have people
prepared just in case one got out. Yeah, exactly. So
I don't know, but we've noted.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
But we've seen this before in a lot of community,
a lot of the gated communities, the people really don't
know how to. You know, they didn't have to cope
because they weren't forced to. You know, so things are
different than you know, from the than the before times.
But again, the city, it's probably not markedly different than

(36:28):
it had been one hundred years prior.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
Mm hmm. You know a small.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Number of people and you know not I mean some electricity,
but not a lot a lot of candle light. They
seem to be living very similar to probably the same
way they lived in that village one hundred years prior. Probably,
And it's not a terrible thing. Not every you know,
it shouldn't you know, you shouldn't be living in misery,

(36:55):
but they really should be better prepared. But a lot
of community like that, they just don't prepare. They're people
for the new reality. They protect them from it instead,
which always goes left. It always goes wrong on this show.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
It never works out where people who don't know how
to defend themselves don't ever need to. Yeah, which I
guess makes it an easy kind of I guess plot
device to keep using over and over and over again,

(37:35):
because you know, people would do that in the real world.
They would act like that in the real world. So
it's easy. There were a lot of the dead in Barcelona, there.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
Were, Yeah, and they were a little more prepared to
take care of themselves there, too, weren't.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
They They were they were Yeah, that whole group they well,
we don't know every single person in that group, but
the people in the group that we saw, they seemed
like they were pretty much prepared to deal with anything.
I mean, people show up and they have you know, crossbows.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
And at their heads they had crossbows and they had
you know, regular bow and arrows or you know, compound
bows mm hmm and uh yeah. And they were looking
pretty Robin hoodie.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Yeah, they were dearld's like, hey, nice nice crossbow he liked. Hey,
I like I used to use one. I used to
have one of those.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
And they weren't They weren't fearful. When they came up
with the plant, they seem like, you know, they seemed
like they knew what they were doing. The plants seemed solid,
you know, and it checked all the boxes to be successful,
and it just wasn't.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Now, Honest, if I had been them, since they couldn't
get the lock open, I would have just taken the
people that were driving the truck out and put it
in reverse and just take it off with.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
The whole truck. Oh yeah, that's a good idea.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Well, you know, I'm just saying they had options.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
Yeah, yeah, they did have some options. But instead, you know,
and I can't remember this leblond's name, but you know,
the whole key they were there to take out Guillermo.
They were like, let's take him out. That was how

(39:41):
they talked them into doing it. Yeah, we'll get the
girls and you can kill a king, right, And so
when that looked like it wasn't going to happen, and
of course Paus goes over there because her girlfriend's in
the truck and pushes her away when she goes to
put that launcher thing at them, I'm like, that is

(40:01):
so okay. I get it. You don't want your your friend,
your girlfriend whatever to be killed. I understand, but I
was so irate. I'm like, how dare you?

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Yeah? I know, I honestly I felt the same way.
I'm like, oh, man, she's gonna.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Ah, she's gonna wreck it. And because of that, of
course the girl tries something else to get him, and
instead she gets shot. Yeah, like that's your fault. Pause
you should at least feel bad about it.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Yeah, that is because they could have at least killed
the king at that point. If they had killed the king,
you know, things when it turned out moderately different, they
might have been able to say the other girls right.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
I don't know, but what a cluster. That just totally
it went. That whole plan just sank.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
M hm, you just fell apart. But I guess you
should have locked nothing less. If the lock hadn't have
been quite so good, you know, they it wouldn't have
been quite so bad.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Hey, they wanted their merchandise. They traded good, good stuff
for these girls. They didn't want them running away again.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
Yeah, like I said, if I had been if I
had been Darryl, I would have just pulled the driver out,
slaying it in your reverse and try to get out
of there.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Because there seems to be a lot of things in
that truck. So, you know, let me just say I
think that Eustina is useless. The reason why I say
this is because she tells Daryl that the guy has keys.
You've seen him use the keys. Why didn't you tell
him which key was? I don't know. You got him

(41:50):
up there trying to use like just try every key.
Weren't you paying attention? If I was locked up somewhere
and a guy had keys, I would be paying attention
into which key he used. Yeah, because when I get away,
I might need to hurry up and use that key
that I agree with? You stupid, I cannot Why are

(42:11):
so stupid that kind of stuff? I hate it. I
hate it so bad, Like, come on, the whole thing.
It was pointless. It didn't have to go down like that.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Yeah, I know, but now it gives me an excuse
to go to the next city and rescue more girls.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
I know, just get a little bit more creative. And
there could have been another way that that did not
work out without it being so obviously stupid. Maybe I'm
expecting too much for the writers to think of something
a little more complex than that. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
But they gave us a good fight scene, so that's
what matters.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
That was a good scene. I can't I can't wait
the stupidity. I want to know you guys listening? Am
I being too much? Is this too much? Should I
just say just accept it and be like, oh, you know,
Stina didn't know, she's just a girl. No, I'm not

(43:22):
telling me what y'all think. I just think it's so stupid,
And you're right, Lisa. Even Daryl could have thought, well,
let me just take out the drivers in the front. Yeah,
then they can't go anywhere. Yeah, how about that? But no,
not that either.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Like I said, if I had been him, I would
have jumped in. I mean, and obviously other cars could
get in because other cars got in. Mm hmm, so
he could have put it in reverse and got out.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Mm hm. That's true. Yeah, it's true. But I I
know what they were trying to do with it, and
I'm okay with them not letting the girls be rescued, right.
I understood why they were doing it. I just wish
they made it a little different, laid it out a

(44:16):
little differently.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Wanted again Darrel, that scene with her and the whole
you know, don't leave us kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
Yeah, he's holding on to her wrist. I'm like, are
you gonna run behind them? What's going on here? Yeah?
You can't pull her out, So I don't know. He
was getting a little emotional that using his brain.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Yeah, and he does that sometimes.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
Mm hm. He's still looking so sad, like she's looking like,
oh my god, I can't believe that happened. I'm looking
at her. I held her hand right, What was that like?
Dang Oh, Darryl had some more flashbacks while he was

(45:05):
sleeping or trying to sleep. Yep, him and his brother
and his dad.

Speaker 4 (45:10):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
Which is again I still stand by what I said
last week. I want to see what the end results
of these dreams is. What is the end of the
dream that we're supposed to see?

Speaker 4 (45:27):
What?

Speaker 1 (45:29):
How will this resolve something for Daryl? What would be
resolved by figuring out this dream if anything? So, because
it was kind of like just throwing in there, you know,
anytime he's trying to sleep, he's just having these dreams,
which was never a thing before.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
So well it seems to be brought on by what
happened in the tunnels. M hm, because he's been having
him ever since they got out of the you know,
the Baguando.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
But I'm kind of.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
Uh, because we don't really know what happened to Darryl's dad.
We do know that him and and Darryl and his
brother were on their own for a while before the.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
End of the world.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Do you think Merle killed their father? I think so, yeah, hmmm.
So I'm wondering if that's what you know, this is
this is the day his dad dies.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Mm hm, Wow, that wouldn't be surprising. It seemed like
it was pretty traumatic. What was going on.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Well, Daryl's you know, he's got two black guys and
he's not looking all that hot.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
No, it's not good. Oh, and we can kind of
see that there's like some kind of fight going on.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
Yeah, so they're pretty much out in the middle of nowhere,
so it probably wouldn't be all that hard to you know,
get rid of the body.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Right, that's what Meryl did. Can you imagine, like, no,
they had to get rid of his body. No, no, Well,
it would be a lot more inconvenient if they kept
it in the trailer, I know, right, Yeah, got these
kids marrying a body. Oh my god, I'm just saying, okay,

(47:16):
in the before times, oh my goodness. Well yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Guess, I mean because there again, Darryl and Merle had
been out on their own for a while, and Darryl
never really got into why, but he he had, he
has said several times in the past. You know, him
and his brother had been on their own. You know,
it'd just been the two of them for a long time,

(47:43):
and Daryl looks probably about let's say about fourteen, twelve, fourteen, somewhere.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Like that, mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
And you know he wasn't that old when the apocalypse started, right,
you know, it's been about it.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Maybe his early twenties if that, maybe like twenty one
or something, you know, So.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
I you know, honestly, somewhere I would have said between
eighteen and twenty four somewhere in there.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Yeah, And because it's been about what fourteen years or
so something like that, I don't know. I don't know
why they're counting anymore, trying to count.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Yeah, So you know, I think, but I kind of
wonder if this is I guess the reason why this
is the this moment that he just keeps kind of
circling around, is this is the day his dad dies.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Yeah. Well, I'm wondering again, like what so once it's
fully revealed and he maybe it's something he forgot and
it's trying to come back to him. I don't know,
because you know, like we saw with Carol, you know,

(49:02):
she saw Sophia in the tunnel, right, and she that
kind of allowed her to kind of work through that
and go forward. So whatever this is. Hopefully it's something
that will let go of him and he can move
forward from whatever. Yeah, he thinks maybe that's why. I think,

(49:23):
maybe it's something he forgot and you know, since his
subconscious so it's coming up in the dream. I don't know, I.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
Mean his past, you know, his childhood and stuff was
actually brought up a lot last season too. M h
you know, who are you? You know, what kind of
person are you? Blah blah blah blah blah, And he
kind of hints around, you know, I didn't have a
good childhood. Things were kind of bad. You know, you
don't understand kind of thing. But yeah, this is, this

(49:57):
is a whatever. And again, if it turns out to
be nothing, I'll be very upset. But from everything that
they've been building up to, this is a pivotal moment.
And we know Merle doesn't die, right, so my guess
is his dad does. And for all we know, it

(50:18):
may not have been Merle. It might have been Darryl.
He might have came back and did something. Yeah, yeah,
to save his brother. Yeah, yeah, I can see that.
Oh man, Well, we're gonna see. I hope whatever it
is is fully realized next week on the finale and

(50:40):
we can just kind of move forward after that, yep,
because it's only one more episode.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
I don't know. I did not look it up. Do
you know if next week's episode is supposed to be
any longer than normal, or if it's just a regular episode,
do you know? I don't know. I could look it
up real quick if you want me to. Yeah, sure,
if you can. I'm curious to see it it's any longer,
let me see. Here I go, because I don't think
any of these episodes in this season so far have

(51:09):
been had a longer run time. I think we've all
been regular.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Yeah, they've all been right around like forty six minutes
or so.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Yeah. So, because they've got quite a bit to do
next episode. So we've got to clear up Darryl's situation
or you know, his his dream situation. He's gotta find
Justina and the other girl, Elena, and then free whoever

(51:36):
else he's gonna free. And they've got to figure out
what to do with Roberto and Antonio m h basically,
and are they gonna stay or go? Are they gonna
get on that boat or not? They've got a lot
to do.

Speaker 4 (51:49):
Yeah, all right, let's see here. Yes, yes, I know
it's in six days. What I want to know is episode.
I'll come back to it if it doesn't pop up.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
But yeah, it's I mean, right now, it's just telling
me that it's all information, it's not available, and it's my.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Thing.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
It doesn't like to give me stuff sometimes.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Okay, Well, I don't know. I guess we'll just have
to see. But I think either they're gonna hit it
out the park with the finale and I'll be satisfied,
or I'll be woe complaining so bad because they're gonna
have so many plot holes because they had to hurry
up and tie everything up really quickly.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Yeah, so one extreme or the other, I'm sure. Well,
let's hope for a nice I don't expect them to
answer everything, because we do have one more season left.
Mm hmm, but it would be nice if we get
a nice conclusion to some of the storylines, a nice

(53:04):
wrapping up of and not just leaving them all the
the ends just fraying all over the place, flapping in
the wind.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
I'm gonna be a little disappointed if they end up
in the next season exactly where they are, Like, they
don't even leave nothing you know, he's still here. They're
still here. Yeah. For some reason, that would disappoint me
to have a final season in Spain. I don't know
why exactly, but I don't want that. But I think

(53:34):
that's what we're gonna get, you know.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
I mean, I would like to see us at the
end of this, at the end of the season, with
them on the boat. H That's what I would like.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
Yeah, often wherever their last adventure is before they get home,
you know.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
I mean, and they could you know, just because they're
heading to North America doesn't mean they have to hit
North America. I mean, they could end up in Florida
or you know, the Equator, you know, and they have
to make their way north.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
I'd be okay with that.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
You know that they laid it, you know, somewhere in
the Gulf of Mexico where they you know, weirdly ran
into what's his name, uh from Walking Dead.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
Yeah, Actually that could be kind of fun. That'd be funny.
Ep see, Well we'll just keep going north. Yeah, I'm
curious to see what they do. So I am excited
for the finale. This season in general has been a
good season for me. I think it's been one of
the better ones, to be honest, Like, I actually like

(54:48):
this season better than the first season. I have liked
this one a lot. Actually, Yeah, the second season was okay,
just because you know, they brought Carol back and so
there was a lot going on with that. So it's
kind of hard to compare them because they're so different.
But this is the most entertaining yea to me.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
It's like they really hit their stride with this one.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Mm hmm. They need to keep the momentum going and
just keep the story tight and might close up some
of these plot holes. That's all. You're not gonna You're right,
because there's one more season. We're not gonna get everything.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
Answered, right, and that's It's okay, yeah, but it would
be nice to you know, what's happening in this stream
with Darryl. I really don't want it to go another
full season before we find out.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
Yeah, because we're just getting like these random glimpses when
he's sleeping here and there, and that's unsatisfying to me, Like,
what is this. I'm ready to move on. I'm ready
for him to grow from whatever he's supposed to learn
from this and move on. Let's let's grow somewhere and
change your character a little bit. Yeah, you know, like Carol,

(56:03):
she's she's always evolving, even though she's kind of the
same at her core, she's still evolving. She's not the
same person she was on the other show. Right, No,
and she's not and that's good and that's you know.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
I mean Darryl's different too, mm hmm, but he's kind
of stayed the same here recently.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
Look, I always say every season, this man looks so dirty.
You know, it's look terribly dirty right there in that page,
in this particular scene. Maybe he fell in some water.
I don't know. I don't know why they just have

(56:49):
him looking like that. To me, I don't know. Everyone
else can manage. Heck, you know, Antonio taking the shower, true,
very true. And the water was even warm, yeah, he said, yes,
he said, but apparently in the little after thing it
was very cold. Yes, Like, why I'll torture on me.

(57:14):
Can't you just go get some hot water? I know
that was my thought too, Like don't we have a budget?
Can't we get some hot water? Is it really that
hard to get hot water? Get the intern to go
get some hot water? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Something, Yeah, could we run this to existing plumbing, right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
Something because why you gotta be miserable and you're recording.
Come on, all right, that sucks for him? Trying to think?
What else? Anything else? You think?

Speaker 2 (57:47):
No, I think that's pretty much it. I mean we
kind of started at the end. That's my fault. Sorry, guys.
But you know it worked our way backwards.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
Yeah we did. But you know we jumped. That's our thing.
We jump around anyway. So it is what it is.
This was a good conversation. Thank you everyone for tuning
in and listening for the entire hour. We appreciate you
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