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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hey everyone, Welcome back to the recap of the Walking
Dead universe. We are here every week during the show
season to discuss the latest episode. Today we are covering
the Walking Dead Dead City season two, episode two, another
shitty lesson. I'm your host Tamra, and I am glad
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(00:27):
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Speaker 2 (00:49):
Hey everyone. My name is Lisa Orban. I am an author.
I am also the founder of Indies United publishing house,
and I love all things pop culture.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
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Speaker 2 (01:17):
Lisa, absolutely, Tamra. This is a conversation, not a dissertation.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Right, no scene by scene breakdowns here, we jump around
and of course huge spoiler alert for everything every show
in this world through yesterday's episode. If you're cool with that,
this is the place for you, and we should just
get to it. So what did you think?

Speaker 2 (01:36):
I think every once in a while, if you're going
to bring an expert into the situation, perhaps you should
listen to that expert.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yeah, that makes sense, doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
I'm you know, and I have noticed that people will
bring and not just in this show, but you bring
in an expert, you ask them what they should do,
They tell you what you should do, and then you
don't do it. Yeah, and then bad things happen and
they wonder why they happen.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, exactly, that's exactly it. Honestly, that happens all all
the time. And you know, offices across the world, you know,
you ask someone who was the most knowledgeable and they
just ignore you.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
So what's the point exactly? They brought in They brought
her in Okay, because she has been there, she understands
who the players are over there and what they're up against.
And do they listen to her No, do they make
things even harder for her than things could be?

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Yes, that's the goal.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah, I mean if their goal was to piss Maggie
off and to get themselves killed, well, congratulations, you succeeded. Yeah,
if your goal was to survive this particular encounter, you
have failed.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Definitely failed. I mean their leader died, so.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Better for everyone at this point.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yeah, she's not that with it. She wasn't really, I
don't know, she was just listening to the wrong people.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
I guess, well, it wasn't even And again, this is
it even in real life. This bothers me and watching
it on TV, and I can even say I've seen
this in action, where again, you bring in an expert,
or you bring in some a knowledgeable subject subject and
instead you decide, no, I've built this fantasy up in

(03:31):
my head and I'm going to go with that because
reality bothers me. Yeah, and that's pretty much what this
leader did. She had put a story into her head
that was going to be a cake walk from beginning
to end. And why she would have thought that, I
don't know, based on information from unreliable sources apparently, and

(03:53):
desperation for fuel because they're running out. Yeah, but the
reality of the situation is the people in New York
are in a better position to defend themselves than those
who are coming after themly what they know the terrain,
they know what's going on, and there's more of them.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah, honestly. And plus it's really stupid, especially after Maggie said, hey,
you guys, they sent a signal, they know we're coming.
Maybe you don't put everyone on the same big old
boat and hit out like a sore thumb like you know,
she tried to tell them, but no, no, no, you know.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
And then she's like, maybe we should send a smaller
recon boat so that they can see. And here's the
problem with the drafted army. You can't trust them. They're
not there because they want to be there, there because
they have to be which is why they were trying
to keep them all on one boat. Yeah, because this
is a drafted army. And they're like, oh, why so

(04:57):
you can desert. I'm just saying, if you want this
to succeed, perhaps we should find out a little more
information about what is going on.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yeah, maybe that that's so simple.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
But you two of them to put literally all of
their eggs in one basket.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yeah yeah, she the one officer lady was like, you
want us to leave our whole all our team here,
the whole crew here, Like yes, yes, So, I mean,
you know the title of this episode's funny. I guess
these people learned a shitty lesson too. Oh yeah, everyone's

(05:41):
learning shitty lessons in this episode.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Well, and so the governor she's is she the governor.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
Of I guess she's a mayor. I think she goes
by mayor.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
I think Okay, the leader of Babylon is dead. Okay,
I don't know who they left in charge of Babylon.
But yeah, with that boat. I don't know about you,
but I would have not gone forward to the island.
I would have rowed back to land. I know personally,

(06:16):
I would have rowed back to land. And there was
more people who wanted to go back home. They wanted
to go to the island. So I don't know why
they went to the island.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
You know. All I know is hopefully that Major Navarees
is not in charge. I do not trust her as
far as I could throw her, which isn't very far.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Well, And to be an effective leader, you can't be
prickly and you can't be temperamental, and she is both
and she is very prideful.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yeah she is.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Although I did kind of get a giggle early on
in the episode when her and the colonel kind of
butted heads together and she's like, the rules are the rules,
and he's just like, ah, and all I could think
of this, dude, look back one season and that was you. Yes,

(07:08):
that was him.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Look, that's so funny, like how the tables have turned.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah, because the well, we go back to season one
and he's in pursuit of Megan. It was all, these
are the rules, and these are you know, the how
we do things, and it's procedure and it's whatever. And
then that his rules and you know, everything got him

(07:35):
smacked around a lot.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
Yeah, dude, and put.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Him in more danger than he honestly should have been
in that situation. In those situations, so it's kind of
funny to watch him roll his eyes at her when
we all know from last season this is exactly who
he was until he came back from the island.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah, but you know, he's still not exactly pushing back. Really,
It's like he's in this odd space where he's like
trying to listen to Maggie but also appease them, so
he's not really pushing as hard as he should. I
think when it comes to certain things.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
You know, I'm also wondering because he does have a
wife and kids, and I'm wondering if those are being
held over his head. They might be because we've established
it everyone on this show is more than willing to
use loved ones to get people to do what they want. Yeah,
it seems to be a common theme.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
Well, I mean, if nothing else for self preservation, Like
I don't want to go into a situation where I
could be slaughtered because they know I'm coming there exactly.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
And since they did have the boat, there's really no
reason why they couldn't have gone back. They could have
roaded the other way. Yeah, they could have, but you
know again, if they had done that, then there wouldn't
have been much of a show. So they went forward
like idiots.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
They're so confident and they're like, it's fine, you know,
they hit something in the water, no problem, We'll just
keep going. And then look their cannon's coming at us,
dead body, cannon's coming at us. Well, no problem, we'll
just keep coming.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Idiots, morons. I mean, I'm just letting you know if
I was, if I was in the situation, and I was,
if I had that boat, that row boat, we would
have gone back and I would have pushed overboard anyone
who said otherwise. I'm just letting you know. Okay, I know,

(09:39):
I would have felt confident in my right decision.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
I think that would have been a right decision, honestly, Like,
if you're not with it, forget it.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Right, Oh you want to go to the island, by
all means, get back on the other boat.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
M you know, right, I mean, And while this is
all going on at first, you know, Maggie and Herschel
are tied up in the in the below deck. Yeah
they can't. They're trying to escape, and oh my gosh,
so I have to say Herschel is the most annoying
kid on the planet. He he is. He's pretty close.

(10:17):
I mean, he's pretty damn close. And I'm like, what
kind of child did you raise Maggie up. I don't know,
because I understand he's you know, we knew he was
going to follow. Right, we knew he was, and yet
he doesn't really understand the stakes.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Of things still when he should.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Yeah, he's all confused and down on himself, like I
messed it up. I don't have time to give you
a pep talk. Get your ish together, yeah, and let's
get out of these handcuffs, like what is happening? Have
a breakdown later, Right, you're not ten.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
True, and he should have known that. I mean, maybe
not being handcuffed by their own people with a possibility,
but I mean, honestly, after meeting them, it really shouldn't
have been shocking. It's not like from his very first
encounter with this group of you know whatever you want

(11:18):
to call him at this point, God knows it's not
an army since their first encounter with them. You know, oh,
we're going to string this person up and hang them
because you know, that's the kind of people we are.
So it's not like it is not like people are
with them or following them because they want to. It's
because they have forced this, which is why they don't

(11:43):
want to again split their group up or do any
of the same safe things to get to that island,
because by breaking up the group there's more possibility of
people slipping out because nobody wants to be there.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
Yeah, they're like, people will desert if we separate, let
themself break, they'll run off, right, And that's you know,
that's the risky run. I guess I don't. Honestly, I'm
not sure if they would if they were in Manhattan
and they saw all the crazy that was going on,
I'm not sure they would desert. They probably would just

(12:17):
go back with the New Babylon people, because that's got
to be better than staying with the Dama lady. Sorry,
they're not going to stay there.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
And now her she is well crazy an effective leader.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah, oh my gosh, she is absolutely And honestly, the
irony of it to me is that I feel like
this is exactly the kind of person that the old
Nagan would have loved to work with. He would have
loved to be on the same side as her. She's
so demented.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Oh yeah, you know, she would have been in the
other guy's position, the older guy, the.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Croatian, Yeah, the crow At guy crow At Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Because I mean he did that with Alpha.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
So if this had been the old Nagan, he would
have been sitting there on her right side.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Yeah, rather who got rid of the crow at and
he would have been up there with her. Yeah, she
looked a little crazy. She looked like I got some
screws missing up there, you know.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
I mean she's so genial, you know, she's so not
necessarily soft spoken, but she's not flaty, she's not excitable,
she's she's cruel, but it's tempered.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Right, It's like, you know, she's well at least Niakan
knows the look on his face the entire time, Okay,
like he knew she was going to do something, but
what you know, and then he kind of just knew,
Oh guy, this guy, this poor guy. And you know
it was a dead giveaway when he started getting a
lot of screen time. You about to die, sir.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
Oh yeah, terribly sorry, Honestly I was. As soon as
she brought him in, I was going back and forth,
as is she going to kill him or is she
going to sever like the tendency he can't play?

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Oh my gosh, I mean I was.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Really going back and forth on that one.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
Really. I just thought she'd kill him, but I didn't
know she'd make him play first.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
If you think about it, for someone who is as
he is, you know, the he is an expert in
his field and is a true music musician, musician. I
don't know why I couldn't say that death would honestly
probably be preferable to never being able to play the

(14:56):
instrument again.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Right, But I don't think she was really caring about
torturing him, because she would have done that if she
went to torture him. She just wanted to piss off Megan.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Right, Well, she would have put Nagan in his place.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah, exactly, because that's why she just killed him, because
you know, like you said, there's other ways to make
a person like him feel like, you know, miserable and
want to die. But there's no point when she's just
trying to get to Megan. So and also being a
friend to him is no good thing. You always need

(15:30):
a target on your back, right, So he's just trying
to be.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Nice, I know. I just I felt so bad for him.
You know, he's he was a decent guy, you know,
and we do know that even what do you fall
in when people fall into these groups, it's not necessarily
that they they are going to something that they align with.

(15:59):
It's sometimes it's just geography. Yeah, and and and I
think this guy was just it was just geography. So
what do you do?

Speaker 1 (16:14):
I know, I mean he was like helping them with
their little, you know, craft project. He's just around, like
he just seemed to like take to him, and he
was just there. He could have went somewhere else, I guess,
and not helped him.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
But I think he was told to keep an eye
on Meagan.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah, he probably was.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Because he he was Megan's jailor mm hm. So it
would make sense because it's not like they had anyone
else down there.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
But so I'm wondering, so about that, do you think, like,
mean just went back down to that cell like okay,
because I'm like, it didn't seem like he was a
prisoner anymore.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
No, because the way he even said, you know, I
was sent down here for turndown service. But I guess
it's occupied.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Yeah, that's what I thought. I'm like, well, hm, that's
kind of funny but not but I I don't know.
I guess he just felt he was in his feelings.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
I guess, yeah, well, he doesn't want to do what
he's doing. He knows bad is going to happen, and
that that jail cell is where he chose to be
He didn't have to be there this entire time. Nigga
chose to be there, and you know he did, and

(17:30):
so I think, you know, that's where he went because
that's where he felt oddly safe probably mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
Well, you know, I think again, he's going to be
walking this line this whole season. For example, like the
old hymn kind of comes out when Doma asked him,
what do you think of this plan? Right, and he
ratches up the plan. He's like, let me just add
some more fuel to this fire, you know, and he good,

(18:04):
good plan, Yeah, let's do it, okay. But then you know,
when he sees the boat and he spies you know,
Maggie and herschel, he's like, oh, hold wait a minute.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
So even prior to that, when I think it was
either the first or second explosion, you can see Megan's
starting to kind of smile. You know, who doesn't like
a good explosion.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
Right, Yeah, And you you could see that he was
kind of enjoying it until he saw Maggie and herschel,
and then his whole expression and demeanor changed.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yeah, He's like, oh wait, there are people I know
and feel some kind of loyalty too, right, ye, and
of course he saw Jenny down there too, yep. So yeah,
he was having a good time. He was yucking it
up talking about how he fed people, walker meet, having
a good laugh.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Yeah. Well he that was a story that was pulled
out of.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Him, I know, but he still started to actually enjoy
telling it, right.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
It's it's the beginning reluctance, and then you know, as
a storyteller, I can I understand that feeling even if
you don't want to tell the story, once you start
telling it, you get into the rhythm of it, you know.
But yeah, when he was done and the crow at left,

(19:29):
you could see that he's just like.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Ah, got it, Yeah, fine, you got me.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
But yeah, so you can see how Megan is just
very much being He is desperately clinging to the person
he has become as everyone is pushing him to be
the person.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
You know he was just which honestly reinforce to me
that his nature is not to be a good person.
He's fighting that because he wants to be a good person.
His his you know, wife and kid are coming right.
He doesn't want to be bad, but I think his
nature is to be bad.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Maybe I mean.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
It's so easy for him to just fall back in line.
I feel like that's him. That's how he became Nagan
with the bad you know, that was him originally. No
one persuaded him to do that.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
No, well, I mean there was no one persuaded him,
but there were circumstances.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
There were, but you know some people, they would keep
the revenge and it would just be normal.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah, Oh, I get it. I mean, like I said,
it's Niga has As a character, we have seen him
be a decent man with his wife m h. Become
an absolute monster, and to become a decent man again,
or at least an acceptable one, I would say acceptable.

(21:11):
And honestly, I think I think him spending that time
in the jail cell was really him trying to make
sure he never went back to the way he used
to be. But of course they had different plans for him,
and that was not an option, right.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
No, you're absolutely right. He chose to damage gel Sale
because he knew that if he was out there doing
what they want, it would not end well. So he chose,
I'm just gonna sit here in this cell and I
don't know, Barrett, hope they'll give up on me, forget
about me. I don't know. I don't know how long

(21:52):
he was willing to.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Sit there, apparently forever.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
Yeah something, But you know, they got his wife and
child on the way, so now he's like, okay, fine,
i'll concede, I'll help. And now he's fighting those the
instinct to be miserable, to be that awful person again.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Yeah. So yeah, we're like I said, I'm pretty sure
this whole season, we're gonna watch Nagan, you know, jump
that jump rope mm hm, back and forth.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
Which I wonder if it's gonna get old, Like is
he gonna actually pick a personality and stick to it regardless,
like regardless of you know, what could happen, or is
he gonna constantly do that all season.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
I think he's gonna be good whatever he can be,
and he's gonna be bad for survival.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
See to me, that sounds like someone who is good
trying to hide as someone bad, And I just don't
think that's who he is.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
I don't know. I mean, the instinct to survive is
pretty strong in people. The fact that his wife and
son are coming and if he's not there, he knows
that things are going to be very bad for them. Yeah,
I mean, he has a lot of reasons to comply,
and I don't think that necessarily makes him a bad person.

(23:21):
I think that makes him a person in a bad situation.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Right, I agree with that, But I'm just saying because
I personally based on my thoughts on how his character
has been, you know, in the past. To me, it's
different when an inherent good person is doing bad things
for the sake, you know, for the endgame to be good.
You know, I'm saying, they're being a they're morally gray, right,

(23:50):
They're doing something that they think is bad for a
good result. I don't think that's him. I think he's bad,
but he's trying to be good. So because he's bad
by nature, it's easier for him to do the bad
things and to be caught up in it again. So

(24:10):
I get what you're saying. I just think of him
as a slightly different character than that. I don't think
he is capable of being the Angel in disguise, you know.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
No, I don't think he'll ever be an angel. I
never thought he was, but I would also. I mean,
from that perspective, though, the fact that if he is,
as you say, a bad person at heart actually really
trying to be a good person. I mean, in some ways,
that's a little more noble than a good person not

(24:44):
being you know what I mean. It's it's because if
he is inherently bad, that him trying this hard to
do the right thing. It's actually harder. You're trying to
do the right thing.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
You're right, And that's why people love the bad boys,
especially in books like you guys know, I read a
lot of these books, but they love the bad guy
who wants to be good for a person, a family,
a team. You know what I'm saying. He's trying to
hide that awful part from the people that he cares about.
That's what Megan is doing. It's exactly that.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Yeah, And in some ways it's a little more impressive,
you know, because if his instincts are to be the
terrible person, the fact that he is fighting it this
hard under these circumstances where he has been giving given
so many reasons on why it would just be easy
to go back to who he was, because if he did,

(25:38):
if he just gave up, gave in and did as
they wanted, things would be easy for Meagan. They would
that he would have a very good, easy life in
this apocalypse, and he's choosing not.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
To the quickest way to get him back. There is
less some happen to those people, less I happened to Annie.
Oh he's back black, he's back in action. It doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
And honestly, right now he is he is not a
danger per se to the Dama. No, he's not okay,
because he is again trying. Whether he is or not,
he is at least desperately trying to be good. He
is bad circumstances if he loses that tenuous reason on

(26:35):
why he needs to be good, and that honestly is
is Maggie or herschel you know, his wife, his kid,
or the girl that he was taking care of, if
any of the if anything bad happens to them, or
God forbid, anything bad happen to all of them, which
in this show that won't happen. But if per se
it did, there is not a power on earth that

(26:56):
would keep the Dama safe from him.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
Oh yeah, he would kill her without a debt out,
and then he would continue to act horrible.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Yeah, And I'm not saying he would stop at her.
I'm saying that it came on and I hope she
realizes that right now, he's a cage tiger. But if
she kills these people that are keeping him caged to her,
you know, you can't He's he won't be something that

(27:25):
she can control anymore.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
So this woman, while she does come off as a
little crazy, I think she's very smart. So I do
think that while she thinks she has control of Nagan,
she does understand that just a slight chance change in
the circumstances and she will no longer be able to
control him. So I don't know. Hopefully she's not too

(27:52):
confident because and she's you know, crossing her tees and
dotting her eyes with stuff dealing with him. Otherwise it's
just going to be like you're trying to die this season.
That's it, You're dead.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Right, Because she's even she's putting him up as the
front man, not the crow at you know, not her,
you know, to these other rivaling gangs. She's setting Niaga
up to be their leader. So if he succeeds in
that and she loses her only leverage over him, yeah,

(28:28):
she's in a lot of trouble. Oh, she's she seems
to be a smart woman. I hope she realizes this,
but who knows.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
I don't know. I guess we'll find out. I mean, ultimately,
that would be kind of interesting if that's the way
they decide to kill her office, to just have the
people turn against her, because Niga says, so, m hmm.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Well, and now, did you watch the previous for next week?

Speaker 1 (28:52):
No?

Speaker 2 (28:52):
I didn't, okay, because it seems that she has herschel again.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Oh god, oh jeez, see that kid.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
I know now, it could be that she just she
swept up a whole bunch of them, you know, and
she recognized him and like, oho, more leverage, Unneagan, you know, so.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
More body parts to cut off.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Yeah. She's like standing in her in her tower and
she's looking out and she says, don't see New York
as it was, look at it as what it could become.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
M h So. Yeah, well, I mean they're there now,
and they're trying to hide and stuff, but yeah, they probably.
I guess it won't be too long for them to
be found and hunted down and drive that. But I'm
sure Nacan will get him out of there. I'm sure
of it.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Yeah, I mean, right now they have headed off into
no man's land because no man returns. But you know,
Maggie's a girl, so she might be Okay.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah, she might be. I'm sure she won't be. Well,
she's got her name on that first title screen.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
She's fine, She's fine, you know, although I am kind
of hoping that the the sheriff there comes to a
bad end.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Uh which one? Oh, pearly, No, the woman, the lady?
Oh the what's her? I think she's like a what
was her title?

Speaker 2 (30:22):
But I don't know anyway, Yeah, she did make it.
She made it across she did.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
She did make it. Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
And she's like, why are we listening to her?

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (30:35):
I don't know. Maybe because she's been here before.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Because she's smarter than you. That's why I shut up.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
She made every wrong decision there was to make, as
she screamed that you don't.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Do this I know, which honestly says a lot to
me because we've been saying that Maggie doesn't make the
best choices.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
I know. But it's really sad when Maggie's making the
correct choices, made right but for once, well partly because
these are not personal decisions, these are strategic decisions, and
she does do She's always done better with strategic Yeah,
but yeah, I hope that. I'm hoping she doesn't make

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it to the end.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
I don't think she will. I don't think she'll deserve it. Yeah,
she's gonna, and I think she's honestly, I think she's
a villain ish, you know, I think she might not
be the bad guy per se, but she's definitely.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
She enjoys cruelty. Yeah, I mean she'd fit right in
there with the with the domina and her peopil I mean,
you know, come on, seriously.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
She would fit. But she'd need a rule book to follow,
so she'd have an excuse for her bad behavior.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
True, So she's lawful evil.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
Yeah, you know, she's out here acting wild off of
the rules.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
And and you could see that. I mean she's she
does she likes she likes the rules because the rules
give her permission to indulge in her bad behavior. There
there is no mercy in her, there's just power.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Yeah, she definitely wants the power, that's for sure. I
don't know. Yeah, she'll be gone. She might not make
it to the finale. She would be it would be
surprising to me if she did. I think Pearly will
make it, though, I think Pearly will make it through.
I think Jenny will make it through.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
I wonder if we're gonna see his wife and kid,
or if they'll show up at the very end, you
know what.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
I was thinking about that. I feel like we might
see them, even if it's just for like ten minutes
in one episode. I feel like they'll show up on screen.
I think I hope they do.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Because it also occurred to me that he only has
her work to go by.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
Yeah, they're on the way there, that she's even found them, Yeah,
that could be a lie.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
I mean, we don't. I mean it it is a
lie that would serve her, and he has no it's
not like he can verify. So.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Just because he knew she knew where they were off
to doesn't mean that she has found them.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
That's true. And you know, honestly, I think again, she's
got to know, even if she's lying and she's just
playing him, that she's got to be very very careful,
very careful, because he'll he'll flip out and kill her.
He'll flip out. It won't take much. He could overpower

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her very easily. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure he's not
just going to sit there and let her try to
cut his throat, like like she deal with that violinist, right. So, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
Think because I mean, there's a couple of different possibilities.
There's there's a possibility that his wife and child are
not alive.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Yeah, that's true as well.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
But you know, maybe they didn't make it to Missouri
and she found out that somewhere along the way something
bad happened and they are no longer among the living
she I mean, and she could say, oh no, I'm
keeping them over in Jersey. I don't know whatever until
I know that you are you know, you're faithful to me,

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and until she can't string him along anymore essentially, or
feels that he is firmly in her pocket.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
So yeah, And and but then again, I mean they
they might just be right across the bay.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
We don't know, ye do so the Dama She also
captured that historian guy that seemed weird to me, how
like he just got there so fast? Did that seem odd?

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Well, I mean we know that they all made it
to shore. Yeah, well not any and I don't think
he was with them. They said he washed up. I
didn't seem with the boat people so it's possible a
few of the people from the boat made it to
the shore and he was one of them. Uh, and

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we know that they're hiding so and and the historian
doesn't exactly seem like a survivor type.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Honestly, I would never bring a historian on that kind
of mission period.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
These stupid well, the people from New Babylon seem rather
grandiose in their estimates of themselves.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
And I don't know, I can see someone that is
that vain would want someone to record their greatness, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
So we get back and I'll tell you all the greatness, right,
I don't know. That still seems silly. You should people
who can fight with you, That's why I know.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
But I mean there's been there have been other grandiose
leaders in history that have done similar silly things of
bringing you know, bringing the press along for whatever. It's
not a great idea, but they do it.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
They do it.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Partly because again, there's certain personalities that when they do things,
they want the recognition, They want people to to tell
great tales about them that they don't. They're not doing
a good thing for the right reason. They're doing the
they're doing what may be a good thing for personal benefit, right,

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that just happens to align with helping other people.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Mm hm.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
And and she seems very much that kind of a person,
and Babylon seems very much that kind of a place.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Yeah. I think we could tell from the first season
that that was not the place to be, Like something
was off there, you know. Yeah, they could continue to
just show us that is in fact true.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Well for the first season, didn't, wasn't it. They're not
allowed to drink either, are they?

Speaker 1 (37:52):
You know, I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
I don't know, because that one woman had the bar
and that's right. Yeah, and this is illegal because of
and it gave a whole bit, but I think the
alcohol was part of it. So this is a and
even the name Babylon, I mean, this is a quasi
religious puritan type culture. And and they're just telling people, oh, yeah,

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you are a part of this.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
Now enjoy Yeah, whether you want to be or not.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Right, you know, we indulge in violence, but not an alcohol.
That is a stuff.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Oh my gosh. Right, we we indulge in hanging people,
but you know, we will not drink the liquor exactly.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
You know, it's yeah, and in hilarity that with the
you know, with that whole all the interactions beforehand, we
kind of saw the little flashes of Babylon. This is
a pretend just place, and it's quite unfortunate that they

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won out on the Culture Awards.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Yeah, yeah, I would agree.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
You know, you know, if you if you put up
Nazis against hippies, who's gonna win?

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Not the hippies.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Yeah, exactly. I'm not saying that the Nazis are right.
I'm just saying that, you know, yeah, they're.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
Just more likely to win against hippies, so exactly right.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
So you know, I mean I kind of get it,
but I'm not saying I approve.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
So who So do you think that then the New
York City Alliance, I guess the groups led by the DAMA.
Do you think they will beat New Babylon. Do you
think they'll win?

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Honestly, yes, I I don't know how big Babylon is, Okay,
because again it's not like they really give us population sizes.
And we've never actually gotten a good look at New Babylon. Okay,
We've seen some signs. There was some small takeaways here,

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you know that of a couple of people, but we
really I mean, this could be I'm going to assume
it's at least a thousand people, Okay, but that also
might be including their settlements. I don't know, No one does.
Maggie's settlement probably had what one hundred people, two hundred people.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
I don't know. We've never seen them all together. We've
just been seeing like little groups of people.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
So yeah, see, so it's really hard to say. Now.
I do know that we've seen groups from the island,
and we know that from last season that they filled
a stadium, and I don't think New Babylon has filled
a stadium people.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
I mean, there's at least a couple hundred people at least.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Right, But if most of your troops are conscripted and
don't want to be there, and let's face it, the
New York you know, the Croatians people there, they're all
for it.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
They like it. They like the violence. They like it.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
They like the violence, they like the fighting, they like
the disorder.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
I mean, how they go and watch Walker's Fight for fun.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Right, So as a fighting group, they are probably much
more dangerous to a certain extent. I mean, I'm not
saying that discipline isn't a great thing. But I also
think they have the numbers. I think they have more
numbers than the Babylons.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Do Babylonians do, Yeah, definitely, Because Okay, so they took
all the troops with them on the boat, right.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Well, they took all the conscripted troops.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
Yes, So I feel like I don't know, And again
I'm just guessing, is we don't really know how many
there were. But it didn't it didn't seem it was
fifty because I'm like, it didn't even seem like there
were fifty people.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Yeah, because someone said, uh, mentioned enough that there was
fifty conscripted troops.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
Well, I didn't even see what looked like fifty people
on the screen. So no, I guess we just have
to take them for what they say. It's in the script,
so it must be right.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
So my guess is, well, and if they said that
they were taking a portion of each settlement, and they
were going to take twenty from Maggie's group, I mean
it could be. I mean, the easiest numbers would be
would be saying ten percent of the population, so that

(42:43):
we give Maggie two hundred if there was fifty of
them all together, you know, that's five hundred people. Yeah,
so we're again, We're.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
But there. We already know. If New Babylon was able
to take control of all those small groups and make
them be a part of New Babylon, right, basically force them,
I feel like it wouldn't take much for the Dama's people,
all those different alliances of groups to come over there
and just acquire them as well, because it wouldn't take much.

(43:22):
Like you said, they're easy. Yeah, so I don't know.
I'm not really sure what the endgame is here yet.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
The endgame is is some people want to live in
a fantasy world where they're just the the king shit
of Turned Mountain, regardless of the circumstances, and get very
angry when someone tells them otherwise, which Maggie tried to do.
She tried to tell them this is not a good idea.
They there are more of them, this is a bad situation.

(43:55):
This is not a good place to be, and they
will fight to protect what they have. You don't want
to poke the bear mm hmm, And New Babylon went, eh,
poke poke, Oh.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
You know, they were planning for months, so they have
to do it. They just have to.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Well, yeah, planning for months, and apparently they were not
all that secretive about it because the Doma knew everything.
She knew before Maggie did.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Yeah, she's got spies. Yeah, and they shouldn't be surprised
by that, honestly, right.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
And and Maggie even said, when you told the crow
at where you were from, you put you put yourself
on his radar. You put your whole community on his radar.
They may not have ever paid attention to you before
because honestly, you guys are small fish and you probably

(44:54):
had nothing they wanted. Right, Great, you've got ethanol, but
they have an unl to supply of dead people.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
Right, So, oh yeah, until you put a target on
your back. And now that they have the historian, I mean,
I'm gonna assume that, as you said, you called the
governor maybe she's a governor. The governor and the colonel
or whatever. I'm sure they've been telling the historian all
kinds of stuff.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Oh yeah, because they want to be grandiose, so they
want to sound big.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Yeah, And now that he's seen that, the Dama will
just you know, slice someone's strot without thinking about it.
He's gonna be talking.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
This This guy is not someone who's been portrayed as
having a backbone. No, you know, he threw up on
the on the trip over, you know, and he seems
fairly oblivious to his surroundings mm hm. And he does
not read the room.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
No, he does not.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
I think he's the only one that was shocked by
the violinist death.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
Yeah, yeah, honestly, no one else was. We know, Nigan
was not surprised. He was looking all sad and you know, like, dang,
I know it's gonna happen, right.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
And the violinists probably very purposely chose that particular uh yeah,
yeah composition because he knew that this would be and
it was back and it was the very last thing
that he would play.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
That's unfortunate. Although I kind of wonder if he thought
maybe maybe he wouldn't be killed. Uh you know, because
she is all like, it's not like your life depends
on it. You know. She's making these comments and then
she's talking about you know, oh that's the best that
back then, and then she starts switching her singing a

(46:42):
different tune, talking about the past, and she didn't like
the past. I'm like, oh no, oh no, sir. But
I think maybe he thought he was going to live
for a second there.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Yeah, but I'm I'm pretty sure he was doing the
prepare for the worst, hope for the best. Yeah, you know,
because what else can you do?

Speaker 1 (47:01):
Nothing? I mean, you dragged in there, right.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
And if you if you're pretty sure that you're gonna die,
and and you have a love of music, you're you're
gonna pick something that you love to be the last.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
It's like the musicians on the Titanic. Yeah, they're like,
we're all gonna die, but let's get this last song
out right, you know.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
I mean what else? I mean, if he played beautifully,
maybe there was a chance that she would let him
live simply because she is supposed to be of some
kind of woman of culture start, and she did acknowledge
that there were very few true artists left in the world. Yeah,

(47:49):
so you know, perhaps if he played flawlessly, it would
be enough for him for his life to be spared.
But not no, because in her mind, she did the
calculation that his death is an example to put Nigan
in his place was of more importance than saving than

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letting him continue to play.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
Exactly exactly that, Like, she had a reason for that
whole display and she got a point across you know,
Nagan screaming, Oh no, you know, I didn't expect that
kind of reaction exactly, but I knew he would feel
bad about it, and I knew he didn't want him
to be killed. But I just didn't expect him to

(48:34):
like holler like that for someone he didn't know that well.
But he did, did He though he knew stories about him,
he heard him play. I mean, we can assume over
the time, over time he's gotten to know him. Yeah,
but I don't know, it's.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Just even our first introduction to the two of them together. Yeah,
there was At first, I thought he was a fellow inmate,
you know, just someone across the bars that he had,
you know, and then it kind of snapped into place
that no, he's the jailer. So they they obviously had

(49:10):
a a friendly relationship and and it was it was
casual and it was comfortable. Yeah. I mean, this is
you know, Niga has spent probably more time with this
guy than he probably has with almost anyone else for
a very long time. Yeah, So I mean it would

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make sense that he had a he had had a
bond with him and and and liked him very much.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
Well, he definitely liked him, right, He listens to this
guy tell his stories and he doesn't interrupt. He likes them.
That's clear. You know your friend Lee. If they're not
friends exactly, they're friendly. I don't know how friend how
much friends you can become with the person who is
watching you and certaining you up cockroaches and stuff.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
But here's that. But there's also the fact that he
knows that this guy is not personally responsible for him
being there. And I think it helps that he knew that.
If at any point he said, all right, I give up,
she wins, I'll do what she wants, he would have
been released. He was there because he chose to be there,

(50:25):
and I think that makes a difference.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
It might. I don't know, I'm not there. I don't know.
We're gonna assume probably, so that's why he was so emotional.
It must have made a difference.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Yeah, And I don't think his death is probably going
to have the effect on Nigan that she was hoping for,
because it's certainly not going to make him more valuable.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
I think it might. I think it might temporarily because
he understands that she actually will do harm to people
he cares about, especially now that he sees Jenny and
herschel here. Right. I feel like temporarily it will make

(51:06):
him more in line with her, just because he knows
this woman isn't playing any games and she will do
it right.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Oh, but you also know that he is now actively,
right furiously thinking in his head.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
How can I kill her?

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Yeah? How can I do this?

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Exactly?

Speaker 2 (51:24):
I love Right.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
So now he's having to go even deeper into the
dark hole, right, He's gonna have to perform more quote unquote,
put it on more, really make her think that he
is on her side yep, while trying to be a
double agent.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
I don't know. We'll see, we'll see how if he
can pull it off.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
I I don't want to say I have faith in
Megan because I don't have faith in.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Megan m hm.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
But I don't think he will at this juncture. I
don't believe they're going to turn Meagan back into who
he used to be. I don't know where they're going
to have him land. Yeah, but I don't think that
he will go full blown Glenn killing Megan.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
No. I don't think they'll make him go that far back,
because then that will just negate all the work that
they did between the two main characters last season. I
don't think they'll go that far, but you know, he
might be in a dark place for a while, trying
to pull himself out of it, assuming that again, all
his people that he cares about don't die.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Right, And again we're pretty I mean, Maggie will make it,
but I don't think that will be enough to keep
him out of the dark.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
And I think Kirshel will make it because Laura knows.
You know, these writers will make poor Maggie's character just
lose her mind if that kid dies.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
Oh dude, if Hershel were to die, yeah, there is
no power on earth that could keep her from killing them.
I'm pretty sure she would, even if she became a walker,
would still have enough determination to go after the people
who killed her son.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
Yeah, I think she would.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
I'm just saying Maggie has has such Maggie can be
so single minded in a pursuit of something, then it
actually makes her dangerous because she doesn't she is not
seeing any of the destructions she is raining down on

(53:42):
those around her in her single minded pursuit.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
And we've seen this in action in previous seasons.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Right, and and she you know, so, if if Hershel
were to die, oh.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
Dude, it's over, It's over.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
We thought me and was bad baby bad. Megan would
have nothing on this woman. The Dama would have nothing
on this woman.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
Uh honestly, I could see her actually killing Nigan for
shits and giggles after that, because.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
I could see her setting New York City on fire
and dancing as everyone man, woman, and child burned to
death in agony.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Yeah, that's exactly why Herschel will make it through people.
They can't. They will not do that to Maggie's character.
She's been working so hard on herself, trying to be
more normal, right and not so angry. She's been working
really hard, And that would just throw a wrench into
everything and we'd be back at zero with these characters.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
We have a Megan try to be a good guy
her and the bad guy.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
Can you imagine Megan running from her that she stalks
around trying to murder him. The hilarity, Yeah, to quote Meagan,
ship just got real. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Oh, and and you know he knows it. He has
said that Maggie is a terrifying person and there is
a part of him and I think that's because back
even in the in the regular Walking Dead series, when
he talked about the widow, you know, he didn't even
call her by name for a long time, just the widow, right,
it was said with respect.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Yeah, but she's vengeful and she will kill you, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
And she and he knows. I think he knows what
Maggie is capable of, even if Maggie doesn't realize to
the full extent of what Maggie is capable of, because
in a way, I think he sees a part of
himself and her, because it would be very easy for
Maggie to become what Megan was.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Hmm. I don't know if she goes that far. I
don't know. After she got her vengeance, I don't know
if she'd continue on though.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
If if Herschel died, there would be no solace on
earth for her.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
Hmmm.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
I mean she she has pined for Glenn and his death.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
For years and fourteen years and years. Yeah, all right.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
She has put her height, her life, her soul, her
everything into keeping Herschel alive. And if he were to die,
oh baby, game over.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
Yeah. She really only put her anger enrage about you know,
her husband on the back burner because of her son,
because her soul was sick of it exactly. So that
was the only thing that had her kind of trying
to calm herself down.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
Yeah, trying to be a good and decent person was
to be a good and decent person for her son.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
And yeah if he were, if he were to diet,
especially if it was a brutal death, yeah, it would
be epically bad.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Yeah, he's safe from death, but he may not be
safe from losing some more digits.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Right, poor kid.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
He might be crippled in some way, but he'll still
be alive, right, you know.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
If you just stayed home. Yeah, he had the I mean,
both of those kids had the opportunity to not be
where they are. They put themselves in this position. So
I kind of want to just kind of smack around, going, you're.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
Dumb, You are dumb, Like what are you even doing here? Like, oh,
so stupid. So I saw online some people were discussing
the smoke signal, and some people were trying to say,
could herschel have set this most signal? I don't think so.

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That's not what I got from that scene.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
I I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
I don't think so either.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
I mean, there would be the only reason I could
think of him doing it. If he did it was
thinking that it would dissuade them from going across the bay.
But they were in empowered vehicles. He was on a horse.

(58:38):
What happened to the horse anyway, So he was following,
but he was definitely not following at the same pace,
and they were not. They had not been there that long, right,
So I mean for him to get there, there's no
way that he could have gotten there before them because
he didn't know where they were going. He would be
he would have to follow.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
And then that's what he said.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
Yeah, And then he said he saw the smoke signals,
so that's where he went, you know, which would make
sense if he wasn't quite sure where they were. But
to get together all those tires and then set them
on fire. And I'm once tires start burning, they will burn.
But I'm gonna tell you right now, they're hard to

(59:22):
set on fire. Yeah, Okay, it's not easy to set
a tire on fire. It takes some prep and some work.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
So yeah, I said, have you set a tire on fire?

Speaker 2 (59:35):
I don't want to talk about it. I'm just saying
there is effort involved in this.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
Okay, all right, let's take your word for it.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
Kind Of like a Christmas tree, they are not as
easy to burn as people assume they are. And if
you have set your house on fire because the tree
caught on fire, you're do I don't know what you did,
but it was wrong. It was so wrong because effort.
It tastes effort on a Christmas tree. But yeah, I
mean to get all those tires together and then prep

(01:00:10):
him so that they will catch on fire, and they
kind of have as once they catch, they catch really fast,
but they kind of have a slow kindling time.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
M hm.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
So yeah, I think this was personally. What I think
it is is the spy that they had, at least
one of the spies that they had embedded into New
battleon who did it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
That's what I thought too. I just I thought it
was very interesting that people were speaking about you know,
Herschel like he could I don't think, you know, And
he did say, oh, I messed up, you know, I
screw everything up. But I don't think he and I
don't mean to be mean to the little kid, but
I don't think he's smart enough to even think to
do something like that. He's so impulsive, right, and he

(01:00:53):
just is so I don't know, he acts so young
in some respects, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
Well, and I'm gonna my guess is is this signal
fire has been prepped and ready to go for a while. Yeah,
And that when they sent their spy with you know,
over to New Babylon, whoever that spy is. And honestly,
that person could be with the group that quote unquote
you know, one of the survivors. We don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
Yeah, they could be. They could be actually they could
have been killed as well. They could be dead.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Right, But my guess is whoever that, whoever the spy
was or spies, they were told that, if you know,
once they reached the shore, just to light the fire,
and that's what they did.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Yeah. Wow, Well, I don't know's it's good start to
the season, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Yeah, it is so Yeah, I think I think the
DAMA is going to come to realize the mistake of
putting Nagan as the face of this coalition.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Yeah, she's gonna die this season, no question. She's gonna
bite it, either in the finale or right before the finale. Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
And And and I think how dare you know I
did for you?

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
Maggie might even take her out if she, you know,
cuts off one more digit from her son, she might
do it herself, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
I mean, it's not like she doesn't already have hate
for this woman for what she did to Herschel, and
and Herschel has there is trauma there. He won't even
talk about when when he he she asked about the picture. Oh,
I don't know, maybe it's just someone I saw a Look.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
As soon as as soon as Maggie sees that woman,
he's she's gonna remember that photo and she's gonna flip out.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Oh yeahs absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
Gonna try to kill her, probably without any words, just
attack her. Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
So yeah, I mean, it's not like Maggie has a
whole lot of love in her and what little she
has is pretty much reserved for Herschel. Yeah. So yeah,
the fact that this woman hurt him will will not
vote well for her survival.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
It will not, No, it won't. So it wouldn't surprise
me at all if she's the one who takes her out.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Right mm as Meagan watch watches and claps yay, you go,
you go girl.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
You know, probably say hey, Maggie, this one's all yours.
Go for it, girlfriend, I'll wait here.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
He graciously bows out.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Yeah, this is all you. This is all you right here.
I have other people to kill. Go ahead, right you
do you man?

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
So yeah, like I said, I think it's gonna be.
I'm hoping that Herschel becomes less of a liability as
this season goes on. I really do, because I think
Herschel could be a really great character. They don't need
to make him the damsel in.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
Distress, no, but they are using that. They're doing that
with his character right now. But you know, once they
try to catch up with the rest of the world,
well he'll be aged a little bit more, and suddenly
he'll become like he has common sense and he'll be older.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
M h and battle if Because they did have that
alternate ending for the Walking Dead season finale, and that
was Herschel and r J and Jude Juno Judith. Sorry,

(01:04:48):
you haven't talked about those guys for a while. But
they were all in a car and they were using
a CBE radio and they were heading towards Atlanta, and
that's when they were looking for you know, their dad.
With how the alternate ending went. So it does appear
even though they didn't use that ending, they are going

(01:05:09):
to try and at some point at least have the
kids have some kind of connection with each other, you
know what.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
I can honestly see them attempting another spin off with
them as older, you know, because they're all the actual
kids playing these roles are aging by the day, so
by the time they get around to it, they may
actually be in their twenties. But I just see them
trying it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
Why not, Well, and that was kind of I guess
why they had considered that particular ending because it was
them because RJ was sending out the same message that
Rick had sent when when he was you know, when

(01:05:56):
he was on the radio talking to uh sending out
the message to what's his name, I'm tired and I
can't remember.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
It's fine, we're both tired. Actually we're past our hour anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
So yeah, I don't know. I really do hope though,
by the end of the season, that Herschel is a
little more of a competent human being. Oh, that would
be great, or at least confident. Yeah, I think it
would be good.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
I wouldn't mind if they like gave us a little.
You know, at the end of the season, we jumped
forward a couple of years as well. I'm you know,
a time jump never hurt. They've got some time to
make up, so you know, maybe we could see him
a little bit healed, a little bit older. I wouldn't
hate it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
I wouldn't hate it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
Yeah, so we're kid. I'm sure he's gonna oh Morgan, okay, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
The message work was set out, was saying to sending
out to Morgan.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
You know, so I need to rewatch some of that
older stuff, but I'm not going to not anytime soon.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Yeah. Well this was the alternate ending mm hm, and
you can find it on YouTube. That's where I found it,
m hm.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
So okay, all right, I think we're done with today's episode.
We kind of just chatted about whatever. Yeah, we meandered around.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
It's fine, okay, Yeah, we should end this. I mean,
it was a good episode and I enjoyed it, and
I'm looking forward to the next one.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
Yeah, me too. So far, so good. I think it's
actually so far it's better than last season. I think.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
It might be.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
Yeah, I don't know. At least I don't hate Nigan
this time, So we'll see.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
Yeah, that probably helps you quite a lot of that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
Yeah, it does. It does help that I don't hate
the character. Okay, so that's it for today. It's been
a fun time. Thanks for listening to this entire episode.
We appreciate you for doing it, and of course thank
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