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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey everyone, Welcome back to the recap of the Walking
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Always Knows. I'm your host Tamara, and I'm glad you've
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Speaker 2 (00:39):
Welcome back, Lisa, Hey, Tamra, Hey everyone. My name is
Lisa Orban. I am an author. I'm also the founder
of Indies United publishing house, and I love all things
pop culture.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
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Speaker 2 (01:06):
Lisa, absolutely, Tamraush, this is a conversation, not a dissertation.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Exactly, no scene by scene breakdowns here. We jump around
a lot, and of course, huge spoiler alert for everything
through every show in this world through yesterday's episode. So
if you're cool with that, this is the place for you,
and we should just get right to it. Okay, what
did you think?

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Well, two bad people died and I was okay with it.
One not bad person died and I was not okay
with it.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Honestly, I was like, what the hell was that I
just watched? I really my first instinct was what was that?
It was all over the place, and I'm not sure
if I liked it.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Ah, I didn't mind it. I you know, when as
Maggie comes back with you know, her with herschel and
what's his name? And I'm like, you know, I'm not
feeling good about them walking into that place. And I
was right not to feel good about it, because everything

(02:17):
about the the woman they left behind was screaming she's
going to do something bad while not being watched.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Well, yeah, we knew Navars had found out that, you know,
Nika was still alive, which was her, in her opinion,
her right to do what she did next right because
he lied.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Well, no, it wasn't just that. It's the fact that
she basically had taken over that entire I know community.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Yes, I think that was a part of it though,
because as long as she was in charge, she was
going to do it right.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
And I really I don't like and I get why
nobody wants Knew Babylon to come into play here because
they're not. They're ruining entire communities. I mean, they decimated
that community to for her to make a point, You're
gonna do it until you know, I'm gonna find a leader. Oh,

(03:12):
you're gonna kill leaders until I find one that does.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeah, okay, yeah, that must be great, right, And I
get the feeling that every other community that New Babylon
has forced into their coalition it was done the exact
same way.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Yeah, it was join us or die.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Isn't this great? Welcome aboard?

Speaker 4 (03:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Aren't you happy? No, you're not, because even Maggie said
she's not happy about it. You know, back way back
when that they weren't there by choice, they were there
by force, right, And almost every single person that from
every community that has been kind of shown had more
or less the same thoughts. We're not here because we

(03:58):
want to be We're here because we have to be. Right,
they're holding our family's hostage, they're holding our communities hostage.
You know what have you?

Speaker 1 (04:06):
None of that surprised me at all, except I was
kind of okay, So there were two things I didn't
like about that particular store part of the storyline. So first,
she decides to just execute these people right then, right now,
but we're in the middle of trying to get something done.

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Is that the smartest thing?

Speaker 2 (04:30):
I think she likes the executions.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
She must, I'm like, that's not very smart. Why do
you tell you this right now? But okay, So.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
I think what her hope was is that she could
browbeat the rest of these people into joining her so
that they could use them to take care of like
Niagan and the Croat and whoever else was lured through
the high grass.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Yeah, I think that is why she did that to
you know, their leader, Like why throw Maggie up there?
I'm like, yeah, you don't like that. She was trying
to cover or you know, with the space pearly, you know,
she didn't like that she was lying to cover for him.
But is that a reason to like her, Well, I

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don't know.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
It may not have been, except for the fact instead
of going and bringing back Nagan and the and the
crow at, she came back and tried to kill her.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Well, she deserved it.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
She did.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Absolutely. I love how she went to the door to
let Pearly and the leader of the other group out
and it's and when they were like, going, no, don't
do it, she just shut the door, locked it bad.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
She's like staying there. Then I'm taking care of this.
I'm gonna fail, but I'm gonna take care of it.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeah, And it was kind of interesting that Herschel is.
He's always been a little reluctant with his mom for
obvious reasons. But yeah, seeing her up there about to
get hanged, I think broke something in him where he's like,

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wait a minute. You know, I could dislike her, but
you can't do this.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
He wanted to scream, Mommy, I a two year old.
He wanted to but you know, I don't know. I
feel like herschel is so weak. I you know, even
twelve year old Jenny. This chick is twelve. Yeah, which
I'm glad they actually mentioned how old she was, because
she's sure acting a lot older. Yeah, but she seems

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like she could stand her ground and take care of business.
Hershel couldn't even fight him with his way out of
that hold. He didn't even try. It was like, what
is this? Didn't your mom teach you anything? Didn't the
people you were with teach you anything? You're just so weak?

Speaker 4 (06:52):
Yeah, and you're.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Clearly older than Jenny. I don't like Hershell still, I
don't like him. He's such a brat, and Jenny is
a brat too, Like what's that? Yes, what's that phrase?
You know? No good d goes unpunished? Like you gotta
be kidding me.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Well, and in a way it does kind of surprise me.
I know that Jenny has not warned too much to Maggie,
don't get me wrong, but Maggie has honestly tried to
take care of her m hm. And she's kept her safe,
kept her fed, kept her you know, alive, right, And

(07:33):
I mean that that should have bought her at least
a little bit of loyalty mh. But apparently not.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
No, apparently not, because this little girl thought that you know,
she was gonna be get some help and taken out Megan,
and that is her priority. Yeah, forget everyone else. I
don't care. But she did look a little bit regretful,
you know, as they were about to murder everyone. Yeah,

(08:04):
she did look like, oh no, I don't know if
that was the right thing to do.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
I mean, she has I mean, there's a huge difference
between going after someone for personal vengeance. Yeah, she has
a reason. I mean it's, honestly, in this world, not
a terrible reason. Meagan killed her her dad. He seems
to have that going kills a lot of dads anyway.

(08:33):
But I don't know that she was completely comfortable with
the fact that this entire community was now being decimated. Yeah,
and there's not many of them left.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Right, No, actually, I don't think any of them are left.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
I thought I saw one or two, not many there
in the background.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
Okay, because I'm like, they just all started doing that
moaning thing, moaning thing and all the dead, you know,
which is odd. I didn't think the dead would just
come and just like devour them, because before, when they
were doing all that stuff, the dead were leaving them alone. Right,
So I'm like, Okay, so now they're doing the opposite

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of what they were doing before.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Well, I'm wondering if it's I mean, there was a
lot more noise, a lot more activity the fire because
previously when they were in, you know, kind of interacting
with them, they were very silent. Yeah, you know, and
this was a community that hardly made any noise at all.

(09:45):
They don't really, they don't chatter. They don't really talk.
When they do, it's it's low tones, you know, tones
that don't carry They're very quiet people.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
They all just committed suicide mm hmm, like what we do.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
I think it was all the noise and activity that
drew them, Yeah, drew the dead. And then because they
were making the noise and they weren't trying to get.

Speaker 4 (10:13):
Away, no, yeah, that was it just became.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Well and they're even you know, their leader was saying,
you know, this is you know, death isn't anything to
be feared.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
This is just a transition.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
We all this is where we're all going.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yeah, that's what they want to believe. I guess I
don't know, mm hm.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
And you know, well, you think about it when the
when that one girl got hurt and and so they
didn't even try to save her. They didn't do any
anything to see if they could, you know, help her.
They just killed her.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Yeah, and she.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Didn't fight it. She knew what was going on. She
didn't beg she didn't please, she just this was this
is their way.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Yeah, and uh it is, but that's one by one.
I didn't expect them to do that as a group,
like just do that, Like were they plotting that, you know,
if they execute our we're gonna just call all the
dead in here.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
I don't know if they've meant call all the dead end,
but they weren't gonna fight it either, because they were
all I think that this was part of their way
to say we will not join you. So they're small
group of I guess early said what twelve and twelve
left something like that is now down to what four?

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Maybe you know honestly, Okay, So that part was interesting,
But I still have a gripe with that part of
the show because so all of the Walkers are just
gonna come in there. Of course those people are just
standing there, they're not running, but everybody else it just

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seemed like it was so easy to kill them all.
And when the leader bit Navaras, it just seemed like
she didn't even try to escape. It's like she just
stood there and let the woman bite her. She didn't
even fight at all. It was so weird, like she
didn't try to get away, she just stood there. And

(12:23):
that was the weakest death I've ever seen. And then
she's on the ground. She's not screaming or anything. I'm like,
does that hurt? Like she's just sitting there look at
all stoic. I'm like, this is dreadful. Yeah, what is this?

Speaker 2 (12:37):
Well, and I'm going to say too, this whole plan
they have for getting the med thing doesn't make any sense.
And part of it is is because at the beginning
of the episode we do see one of the meth
thing facilities, one of the substation. It's not even the
main facility, just a substation. These are this is huge,

(12:58):
it's industrial, it's this is a small operation. And at
the beginning of this this season, we saw them going
in and scooping up the dead and stripping them and
putting them in the vats and the So when when
they talk about stealing this, what exactly are they talking
about stealing?

Speaker 1 (13:18):
That's a good question. We talked about that before, like
how were they gonna do it. What were they gonna
do exactly? Just you know, we don't know.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah, because this isn't like a small piece of equipment.
This isn't like one thing. Honestly, they would be better
off not to not steal the the product, but to
steal a person that knows how to make said product.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
The plan is half baked. Yeah, and it's a mess,
and they should have just ran home, just like Maggie said,
we need to leave. We're gonna leave.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yeah, because there's really nothing. I mean, what are they
gonna steal some piping, some tubes, some some methane. I mean,
sure they could steal some.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
Methane, but it wouldn't last very long.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
But it's not gonna last for very long. I mean,
they could steal a couple of canisters, but that means
that they're gonna have to keep going back, right, just
steel more canisters, which doesn't Which is the one thing
that I've been this entire season. I'm like, what do
they think this operation is?

Speaker 1 (14:26):
Like?

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Do they think it's like a still like for you know,
baptub gin type thing. You know, what is it they
think they're gonna take?

Speaker 1 (14:36):
I don't know. That's a really good question. I wish
that they would have told us the plan.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
I don't think that, I think part of it. I mean,
Maggie's never seen their operation. Meagan hasn't told them what
it is. I don't honestly, I don't think Herschel has
any idea. And who else? But who else is there
to say.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Yeah, I don't know, probably, And.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
So I'm sure they're all under the It seems like
they're all under the impression that this is something that
they can just pack up and steal away.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
I mean, unless they thought they could take over the location.
But they don't have enough people to hold it, no,
and guard it and operate it. They don't have the people,
So that's not it.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Like I said, if they really this technology, it's not
a thing that they should try to steal. It's a
person one of the workers.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Probably not even one of the workers. The workers just
work there. They probably don't have no clue how they
did that. Whoever the you know, whoever thought this up
this show hasn't even bothered to like highlight them at all. Right,
so we don't know who the scientist is or the
smart person in the room who thought this up.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
I'm sure the Dama is not that smart.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Sure, well we know that she didn't do that.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
No, it's not our It sure wasn't the crow ad.
He's not that smart.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Honestly, I'm kind of surprised no one's thought about, we'll
make a steam engine.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Mm hmm, well maybe that was next who knows, who knows?

Speaker 2 (16:24):
I mean, you know it's I mean, you can turn
steam into into electrical power. So I'm kind of surprised.
I mean, they have they have wind turbines, and they
do have some solar panels, but I'm really kind of surprised.
We haven't really seen any steam engines, and you know,
we got power from the dead.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
I feel like that's trying to wonder why unreasonable show
isn't doing something reasonable.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
I'm sure like, no.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
Well yeah, I mean in part, I mean because again
me wondering because they're going through all this trouble, like
they could just build a steam engine. And there are
plans all over the place, you describing how steam engines work,
even in college and campuses and even some high schools
libraries have it's not a state secret on how a

(17:17):
steam engine works.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
You know, they just picked the grossest thing they possibly
could for you know, I don't know what the writers
of this show are thinking. To be honest, I can't
even theorize what's next because this episode was so all
over the place, like there's no rhyme or reason for
anything that's going on. Like I thought Maggie would have

(17:43):
been the one to kill the Doma. That made sense
based on what was going on surrounding her son and everything.
But instead we have Nagan like baiting the crow at
and baiting the DMA to fight with each other.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Oh, yeah, which he is good at. He's always been
good at that.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
Yeah, he's like late. Actually, it's so funny when she
comes in and she sees the dead rat, I said, O,
Nigan did that immediately immediately.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
I mean, there was not a doubt in my mind
that was Megan.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Yeah, but that's how they choose to take her out.
And you know, people are saying, well, you know, we
don't see a body, so we don't really know if
she died. But I think we just assume she did
because he didn't help her from being stuck. You know,
she couldn't get out. But I hope she's gone, like
gone gone.

Speaker 4 (18:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Well, in the previous for next week, there is a
conversation between Megan and the croat saying, well, she's gone,
so now what m I don't think that he would
have said that if there was a chance of her
still being alive.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
What a lackluster ending for that character. I feel like
that was also kind of whack, Like, really, that's how
you're gonna die? That wasn't even satisfying. Yeah, seeing them
bicker like a bunch of children, you can't do this
with that mean, No, you can't do this with that

(19:09):
mean I'm like, what the what am I watching?

Speaker 2 (19:12):
But you know they throughout this entire time, we've seen
the two of them bickering back. I mean they they
oscillate back and forth between lovey dovey and and bickering.
You know, not quite like this, but you know they
have a it had a very weird relationship.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Well, he would snip a little bit and then she
would say something back, but clearly she was the one
in charge. And now he's just tired of it again
prompted by Megan. He's like baiting him with why she
treats you like that?

Speaker 2 (19:43):
You know she treats the rat better, right.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
All this stuff, and so that ends up happening and
she dies, But I just think that was such a
waste as well. I don't know, I wish I understood
why that they were playing out the things the way
they're choosing to do them, because I wholeheartedly feel like

(20:09):
this episode was literally it had like it was all
over the place, you know what I'm saying, Like it
was like it felt so not true to the story
that we've been told this season so far. It seems weird.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
It's more like you're gonna die, and you're gonna die,
and yeah, you're going to die. You're all going to die,
because we got so the Doma died and then you know,
pretty much everyone from New Babylon died yep, and the
the the read people, they all died. And then we

(20:48):
have everyone in uh that third group that Nagan went
to go speak.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
With, Yeah, like all the men there died.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Even Yeah, and the crow was like we spared the
women and children. I'm thinking, oh, that's great because you
know and you know that that was that was a plant,
that that knife was a plant. Yeah, the the showman,
I'm sure he's the one that planted it. Well, because

(21:24):
they had had that conversation where they had taken their
tools and their weapons and all the other stuff, so
it would make sense for him to have had it
to plant, right, And I'm sure that splitting things two
ways sounds better than three.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Oh absolutely, And not only that, the Krowat was like
basically excited to have a reason to bust down that
door to that meeting he wasn't invited to.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
Oh yeah, oh absolutely. He wasn't interested in reasoning, he
wasn't interested in an explanation, He wasn't interested in anything.
He was mad because he felt that it should have
been him going and doing the negotiations, not Megan.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
Well, he's supposed to be first in command, right, He's
supposed to be her primary go to, and instead it's
been Meagan, which he hates, absolutely hates.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Yeah, even though it was his idea to get Megan
and bring him in and put him in this position,
it was his idea, Yeah, it was, you know, it
was his idea to you know, he's been trying to
sell Negan on this, and now that Megan's kind of agreeing,
you know, the DAMA has been doing that and it

(22:40):
seems to be making the crow At mad. But then again,
I'm sure Megan needling him along. Has not been helping.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
No, absolutely not, absolutely not.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
And Megan's even like, Okay, when this is over, we're done, right,
I get my wife and kid and we're done.

Speaker 4 (22:59):
Yeah, And the Dom was.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
Like well and he's like hey, He's like, don't play
with me. She's like okay, fine, you know fine. That
whole scene was also kind of you know, when Nakan
went to talk to I guess that guy's name was
Christios or something. You know, he goes to talk to them,

(23:22):
and then he sees all the kids, you could tell instantly,
like his attitude changes immediately. Yeah, He's like, oh, we
all know he has a soft spot for kids.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Well, and I'm also starting to kind of wonder if
maybe these people weren't Amish because they're all speaking Dutch.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
Yeah. Yeah, so I'm.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Wondering if these if they all turned off as the
Amish who survived and then you know, ended up in
this position.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Yeah, maybe, I don't know, but it seemed like they
kind of got pushed into that situation. When he was
telling his perspective of what happened to their group, Yeah,
he definitely feels like forced into it.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
They took my tool, they took our tools, they took
her you know, our weapons, they took ore you know,
where we lived, because apparently the museum had belonged to.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Them, right. I mean, Hegan actually feels so bad. He
kind of like apologized. It's like, hey, like, I think
we got off on the wrong foot here. We're the
same you know, we have the same situation, and it
looks like, hey, it's going to be a success, right
before the crow At runs in there and ruins everything

(24:35):
and just tries to kill everybody, which is crazy.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Right, you know, And Nigga's like, hey, I think we
found some common ground. Yeah, and c It's like there
is no such thing as common grounds. And you know,
because niggas like, you know, you may not want to
follow the DAMA, you may not want to be part
of this coalition, but which you definitely don't want to
be is part of New Babylon.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
And honestly, I'm with Nigan on this one.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, that's maybe bad.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
The DOMA may be bad. None of these people are great,
but then again, for the most part, the three groups
have left each other the fuck alone, and New Babylon
is just aggressively trying to bring people in it and
the thing of it is is, I think if if
New Babylon had anything righteous to offer, anything good to offer,

(25:29):
they wouldn't have to force people into their coalition. But really,
what are they offering people? Not a whole lot of anything, apparently,
because none of the communities feel like they're giving. But
they're not getting anything really in return other than being
left mostly alone as long as they follow the quote
unquote rules, right, and you know, New Babylon is very pure,

(25:55):
you know, butanic or botanical. I don't know why. I
can't that word all of a sudden, and they have
a they have a lot of rules and Maggie, I mean,
and Maggie's you know, she's not known to be a

(26:16):
massive rule breaker, but she hates it and she's chafing
under it.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
I still don't know why she just doesn't go back
to their real home, like go back, are you even there?

Speaker 2 (26:27):
I really don't know, because it would make sense for
I mean, honestly, it would have made sense for Maggie
as soon as New Babylon came in and started all
of this, to just go back to Alexander or Alexandria.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
They're really I feel like this show is the writers
just trying to force, like a square peg in a
round hole. They are trying to make this happen. They're
trying to make They're trying so hard to force this show,
and I don't know if it's successful. I just I
don't know. I just think all of this, Like, as

(27:04):
we're talking, we're like, why don't they do this? Why
wouldn't she do that? You know those things? So can
like do the two shows not talk at all? No?
The last some of the writers who wrote on the
original show, that might help.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Right, Yeah, And I realized they I realized why from
a show point of view, why Maggie is not in
Alexandria Because they don't want to because that's a whole
separate show.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
And it's too far away to accomplish what they're trying
to accomplish here.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
So yeah, so fine, I get that. And and Maggie
has never really said why she has not gone back
to Alexandria because honestly, at this point when we laughed
last left Alexandria and that coalition they were actually doing. Okay,

(27:59):
I get why Meet isn't with that group, because you know, right,
there's some bad blood there. And he went to the
New battalon area because he was really trying to start fresh, right,
and that didn't work out so well for him.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
Right, so he had to keep moving.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
So yeah, and yeah, but so I don't know, We've
got a lot going on, and mostly what it is
is just people being dumb.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Yeah. And then at the end, so the brutal guy shows.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
Up, Yeah, knocking at the door.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
Yeah, I'm like, what the heck, I'm like, what does
this mean? So now I guess they're going to make
him the ultimate villain of the rest of the season.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Maybe. I mean, I know that the Dama did want
him to go into the weeds to find the missing
people define the rest of the New Babylonians.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Right, And.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Truthfully, I think that they are making out the New
Babylonians there's a lot more of a threat than they
truthfully are. They don't they don't really seem to have
a standing army, they don't seem to have a whole
lot of people, and the group that they've said is
pretty much decimated and they're so pretty much their military

(29:28):
hierarchy at least is gone due to this. I don't
know what's left a New Babylon, But.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
We don't even know if there's anyone in charge back there,
you know, So we don't know. They might just have decimated,
they're a whole of all their leadership.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Who knows exactly. So yeah, and so I really you
know them, you know. As far as the Dama insisting
that everyone banded together to fight these guys off, who
are they fighting off at this point, because it's about
four six people maybe it was like twelve before the

(30:09):
Walkers came in, so not really a threat.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
Now we know that Brugal he wants all of the
power as well, right, Yeah, So assuming that the crow
At and Meagan can somehow hold down the fort and
keep those people together, they're gonna be the ones that
this guy is going against. And he's gonna drag Maggie
and crew into it as well. So I don't know,

(30:39):
even though they should all say f it, we're out
of here, and that's what they should do.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Yeah, and that you know, throughout every episode, it's just
like we need to go home, guys, h we really
need to go home.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
We need to leave. This is not good.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
Yeah, And Maggie brought up a very valid point, which
is once once we even find them methody, what are
we going to do? And no one has ever answered that,
because they was a plan, you know what were what
were they thinking they could do? They planning on trying
to take over the island with this small group of people.

(31:16):
And we also don't know how big these groups are.
We do know from last season that there were a
lot of people in the Crowatz group because they had
the big fight things right, and there were so many people,
so we could only assume that these groups are fairly big.

(31:39):
But yeah, I don't know. I mean, a group, even
a group of fifty really isn't much of a threat
to these guys.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
No, not at all. So I don't know how they're
going to pull that together in the last couple of
episodes for this all to make sense. I'm telling you,
I am so over trying to even figure out what's next.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
I know well, and you know, and Maggie there at
the end when they were sitting there just waiting for
the dead to leave, I was talking to herschel and
you know, I know that woman is real, and you know,
what hold does she have over you? H and and
I can't honestly when he said all she wanted to

(32:22):
know is if New Babylon comes right, you know. And
and honestly, I really can't disagree with him letting if
letting them know that Babylon was coming for that reason,
because these people are not great, right, Yeah, so I

(32:42):
can't really fault him.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Well, I mean we kind of assumed that before, right.
It was because as far as she knew, he was
just going to be home, right, He didn't have some
master plan.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
Yeah, just so let me know, right, new Babylon, you know,
comes my way, let me know. And considering how much
Maggie hates Babylon and he probably doesn't have any more
love for them, it probably didn't feel like a betrayal.
But he also apparently thought that he could get Maggie

(33:16):
and what's her name out of there before anyone was caught.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
Yeah, that's what he thought. You know.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
It was not good at that.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
No, is he good at anything really except drawing. He's
good at that. Yeah, I'll give him that. God, I
don't know, I feel like that was a betrayal. You
need to tell me what's going on. I may not
like it, but you need to tell me. Yeah, I'm
an adult, and I think if.

Speaker 5 (33:43):
He had said to Maggie while I was there. You know,
she did ask me, And is it wrong, you know,
for us to at least give her the heads up
because honestly, I'm not sure that Maggie would have disagreed, right.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
She might not have disagreed, But we'll never know that
he didn't even give his mother a chance, which is
really sad because you know, yes, the Damo was asking
about him and giving him some inspiration and you know,
excitement about the city and what could be and all
this other stuff. But whatever she talked with him about

(34:22):
was like more, it was so much more of an
influence on him that he didn't even tell his own mother,
you know what I'm saying, Like he hid that he
lied about her. He Yeah, he betrayed his mother.

Speaker 4 (34:37):
I think he did.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
I think if he had gone back and said, you know,
things are terrible, don't get me wrong.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
But he had a toe cut off? What the hell?

Speaker 6 (34:53):
Yeah, so that doesn't make any sense, I know, I
guess I don't know that we'll ever find out about,
you know, the whole two situation.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
No, she's dead now, so it doesn't even matter. But yeah,
why would you do her any favors? Even if you
liked her ideas for the city, she mutilated you, why
would you help her?

Speaker 4 (35:18):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
That is so stupid. See.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Yeah, like I said, there's a lot of things.

Speaker 4 (35:27):
I mean, I could see.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
I could have seen New Babylon going, Okay, we're gonna
sneak a couple people into the city, a small group
you know, two three, and maybe sended Maggie or or
you know, send in Pearly. Pearly would have been a
really good person to send. Yeah, not because of the
whole Nigan angle, because he used to live in New York, right,

(35:50):
And have him and maybe two other people go in,
you know, nose around, figure out how this thing works,
figure out who would know how this thing works, and
then go back and report. That would have made sense.
And they kept oh, this is an exploratory No, it's
not right, No, this is this was their version of

(36:12):
an invasion, a whack one. Yeah. And I honestly think
if they had just kept it down to just a
couple of you know, two three people max, they probably
could have probably could have snuck in if they had
gone at night and been stealthy about it. But that's

(36:38):
not what they did. I really think these idiot leaders
thought that they could just go in smash their way through,
get whatever's piece of equipment they think is going to
make them that thing, and leave without knowing how the
process works, without knowing anything about it, or you know,

(37:02):
without realizing the scale of the operation.

Speaker 4 (37:07):
Yeah, I don't even know if.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
They realize they make it from the dead.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
They don't know that they don't know anything, which just
makes it even more stupid.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
Yeah, we're gonna go and steal the mething.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Okay, Okay, sure if you say so. Yeah, but you know,
I hate to feel this way because at the beginning
of this season, you know, I said, okay, you know,
I'm feeling a little bit better about this season, even
though I wasn't loving everything that was going on, I
was okay with it right right, But for some reason,

(37:43):
this episode was a real turning point for me. I
just did not like almost any decisions that they made
about the characters or the story or you know, the
plot in general. So I'm I guess we just have
to wait it out and see what's next, because this
literally made no sense to me. And then we see
that at the end of this thing that Genny is

(38:06):
injured yeah. Now I did not go back. That was
a quick scene. I didn't press pause, I didn't rewind.
I was trying to see if it was a bite
or just an injury from her being pushed over that
piece of wood.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
I I thought it was a straight bulley, okay, because
there was a gunshot and then she kind of, you know,
bent over.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
She kind of she was holding her side after that,
So I I looked again. I assumed that she wasn't
shot directly it was it was a graze.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Okay, because yeah, it didn't look I mean, it didn't
look bad. That's why I wondered, is that a bite
or something? What is that? Because it didn't look that bad.
But clearly she is hurt. Yeah, but she's hiding that
as well, of course, because she's twelve and she's stupid.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
But even though it's not a bite, it doesn't mean
it can't be infected.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
Oh yeah, you can still die.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Oh yeah, infections the number one killer with you know,
in a post apocalyptic world.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
But you know, I guess, to be fair, asking someone
to help you in this situation probably isn't the best
thing after you almost got Maggie killed.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Yeah, this is true.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
Same for Early he's about to be murdered as well.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Yeah, for you know, helping to kill an entire people
and you know, overthrow her, you know, go after Maggie
and everything. So yeah, I'm sure she's probably not taken.
I don't think I can go to Maggie for help.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
No, just keep your mouth shut, Yeah, just keep your
mouth shut. But you know, I do want to say
one more thing about that scene where you know they
had the noose and all of that. So when Maggie
was up there and they put it on her neck,
and then pretty quickly all hell started breaking loose. She's
standing there with the news on her neck. I'm like,

(40:01):
get down, you stupid, because she grabbed the news. Well
why did you get down? Right?

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Why did she take it off her right?

Speaker 1 (40:10):
What are you doing? You're just gonna stand there and
look like an idiot? And then when the chair accidentally
gets kicked from under you, now you're dealing with this.
But with all hell broke loose and Naraya's turned around
and start fighting and all stuff, I would have took
the thing off my neck and got off the chair.
Oh god, yes, why didn't she do that? I couldnot
understand why she was just standing there. I'm like, that

(40:32):
is so stupid. Obviously you're trying to get yourself hung
because you didn't get down. Yeah again, like they got
these characters doing the dumbest stuff. I don't I don't
get it.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
It's more dramatic to have her hang there for a
few minutes. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
I guess that would make sense if that happened immediately,
but she was literally standing there looking at what was
going on. She wasn't moving.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Yeah, that's and it shouldn't have been shocked for her
because I mean, it's not like she hasn't seen, you know,
something like this before, right, So yeah, I don't know
it like I said, it was, you know, it's a
you're gonna die, You're gonna die, You're all gonna die serious,
you know episode?

Speaker 1 (41:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Yeah, I really, I will say I wasn't expecting helped
me out with her name the commander from Yeah Navars.
I wasn't expecting her to die just yet.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
Me neither. I wasn't expecting it.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
And honestly I didn't expect the Dama to die until
the last episode.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
Same. So that's what's left. What are they gonna do next?
Because they killed so many people.

Speaker 7 (41:51):
Yeah, I I almost I'm almost picturing it this point,
Maggie teaming up with Meagan to throw off the showman.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
Yeah, I could see that because Maggie.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Making a deal with Megan saying, Okay, we'll help you
throw this guy off in exchange for a supply of methane. Yeah,
will help you keep your new seat if.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Yeah, probably doesn't want to go home empty handed right now,
He's gonna want something. And that story. So the story
she was talking about the bird like, I'm gonna have
Lisa break this down because I'm like, what is the
point of this fucking story. I'm like, I don't know.
I think I was so checked out, I'm like, what

(42:51):
is this story? What is she trying to get him
to see? So he goes back to his old life
and it's not what he thought, or he goes forward
and he takes some chances.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
Yeah, but he's only has one. Yeah, I was kind
of thinking about that one. So basically, the options are
he can go home and rest, or he can go
out and have one last adventure, and those are his
only two choices. He can't do both, yeah, and he
knows it, So decisions have to be made, and I'm

(43:25):
not sure that there was a correct answer. I think
it's an individual answer. Yeah, And that's what she's telling
Pearly is you have a choice to make here. You
can continue on the path that you are on right
now and keep doing what you're doing, or you can
go home to your family and rest well.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
Darren say, if he could keep continuing on the way
this show did, these characters in this episode, probably is
gonna die. Yeah, So, sir, either go home with your
methane tanks that maybe Maggie is able to get Megan
to give you, or are you going to do something

(44:08):
stupid and you're gonna die.

Speaker 4 (44:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
I really don't think there are a lot of options.
And honestly, at this point, if I was Maggie, I'm
not sure I would give New Babylon the power because
they were they Pearly was already saying without this methane,
the whole coalition is going.

Speaker 4 (44:29):
To fall mm hmmm, because she.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Wasn't anyway, because the ethanol is being destroyed by the
moths so or technically the corn that they make it
from is being destroyed. So Maggie knows that without this
infusion of New power. New Babylon's pretty much done for
and so there's really for her no reason at this

(44:56):
point to even negotiate that kind of a deal, and
it would be in Parley's best interest to go back
empty handed as well. Yeah, because again, pretty much as
we as we understand it, the hierarchy, the leadership of

(45:18):
New Babylon is pretty much decimated at this point. Their
sheriff is dead, their mayor is dead, and he knows
that without it, the city's going to fall, and he
could leave with his family then. So it's in everyone

(45:39):
in that who's remaining in that group's best interest to
go home empty handed.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
Right, which I mean they might, they might not. I
don't know. I did not watch the preview for next week,
so they probably don't.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Though it doesn't really I mean, it's Maggie looking at Megan,
it's Meagan briefly talking to the crow at saying, so
Dom is dead, what do we do now? And a
couple other flashes, but nothing that really gave anything any
indication what's going to happen?

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Mm hm hmmm. Well, I mean this was an entertaining episode.
I guess I'll say it was entertaining, even though I
was calling people all kind of stupid bees throughout the
whole episode. Yeah, and just like what oh, at the

(46:37):
very least it was entertaining. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
I mean, honestly, for after the crow At, you know,
killed everyone, all the men, I really kind of thought
that Meagan was going to throw him under the bus
and get rid of him. But he probably felt that
the crow At was easier for him to control, so
that would be.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
Yeah. I definitely feel like, at least after that happened,
Megan definitely looked like he was over it. He's in
that car looking like, oh my god, I cannot believe
that just happened.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
Yeah, oh yeah he is. He is over it.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Now he's just he is playing to end it.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
Yeah, which is exactly what happened after that ride. He's like, okay, shit,
starting effective immediately, He's got it done, like in one day.

Speaker 4 (47:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
And I honestly, I mean there was when he killed
that rat. I mean, he probably figured it was a
toss up on who was going to walk out of
that room alife or either one of them. He might
have been hoping that both of them mutually assured destruction.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
Kind of thing that would have been best case scenario
that would.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Have been best case scenario, but push come to shove. Physically,
the crow At should have been able to take the Dama,
although I did, I did giggle when she bit him.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
I know, I said, Oh, she's a bier. She's like,
oh my god, I'm like, she did not just bite
that man, I bust out laughing.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
I did, I didn't you, I'm like hit him. So
this is, you know, apparently something she has done not
just once before, but has probably done more than once.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
Yeah. I guess when she gets too frustrated or too upset,
she just bites people.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Yeah, which was just it was so wrong.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
It was fannomical, Like you got to be kidding. This
woman is supposed to be so bad, you know, and
so so airy, and she is biting people. What a joke?

Speaker 2 (48:48):
I know. And like I said, it might have, like
I said, Nigan might have been hoping that the two
of them just ended each other. But most the most
likely scenario would would be Doma's dead, r ass alive right,
because for all of her her bark, I mean, really,
she doesn't have I mean, what does she have other

(49:11):
than actually biting behind the bite, you know, she's not
physically strong. She's an older woman. She's not physically hearty's
you know, I mean, she's she's an old woman, right,
And it's not that the crow ads and he you know,

(49:32):
is a spring chicken or anything, but he at least
is physically capable.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
I don't know. He looks all skinny and decrepit to me,
I don't know. I guess he's more capable than her physically,
but just barely.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
I mean between the two of them, I mean I
put money on him.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
Yeah, but he couldn't could he even hold his own
against someone else? This is question. Yeah, he can beat her,
but I feel like it take much for anyone else
to beat him.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Yeah, And and I think I think Megan will keep
him alive simply because.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
You can control him.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Yeah, it will expedite things because Pratt really to even
now Warship's Nagan, Yeah, you know, bringing up the old days,
all the good times, as far as he's concerned, they had,
and all the terrible things that that Nigan did is
ha ha ha ha. Isn't it great?

Speaker 1 (50:30):
And plus all the people know that the crow At
was her right hand man, so he's obviously going to
be the one they listened to not Megan, at least
not initially, right, not not initially.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Yeah, but you know that the crow at will keep
turning to Nigan because honestly, I the crow at could
might be the illusion of the person in charge, but
I he doesn't have the temperament for he doesn't have
the knowledge for it. I think left to his own devices,

(51:06):
things will fall apart very quickly.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
Yeah. I mean, he can't even negotiate anything. He can't
be trusted to do that. So he definitely needs an
advisor to help him if he's gonna be successful in
trying to lead a group, because he's just too hot headed.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
And I don't think it'll take a whole lot for
Nigan to take over.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
No, just time, honestly.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Or if somehow the Crawat actually dies, then people will
probably look to him because he has such a known
reputation and you know, he's persuasive and charismatic, so it
wouldn't take.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
Much, yeah, it you know, because again it's not that
he can't do it. This is just the shortcut.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
So I'm still wondering if we're gonna see Annie and
their kid.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
I don't know, Like I said, I'm at the I'm
kind of in the opinion at this point that I'm
not sure either A the Doma had them or B
if she did it, they are even alive.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
Yeah, it could have just been a big ruise.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
I mean, then again, it's also possible that they are
somewhere buried in that city.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
Yeah, that's true as well. You never know. Well regardless,
I hope we figure that out one way or another
before the end of this season.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
I hope.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
So. Yeah, so he can either put it to rest,
you know, and not worry about them anymore because they're
not there, or he find you know, he's able to
meet up back with them again. That would be nice,
you know, after all of the bullshit he had to
deal with this just to be able to save their lives.
You know, that would be unfortunate if they were dead already.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
But oh, it would be, but it wouldn't be It
would not surprise me in the least.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
Yeah, because this show gives zero f's about any of
these characters staying true, of these characters doing anything nice
for these characters. They don't care. Yeah, their tools to
be used and they're just writing them any kind of way.
It does not matter. Yeah. So, yeah, this was the

(53:26):
worst episode of this season so far.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
I don't I'm not. I don't know, because there was
a previous episode that they didn't like very much either.
But yeah, it action wise, this things moved along, but
a lot of it didn't, you know, Like you said,
why didn't Maggie get down off the stool?

Speaker 4 (53:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Why didn't Meagan? Do you know, do certain things? I
don't know. It it could have been, it could have
been better.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Yeah, they could have tightened up that storyline, just to
just make things make sense, you know how I am
about that. Just don't do stupid stuff and we're good.
I mean, it's your world. Just as long as you
stay within the guidelines that you made for your world.
You know, it's fantasy, basically sci fi. You can do
what you want, but just stay within it and stay

(54:27):
true to the characters. Just to start doing crazy stuff
just to move the plot forward, that's whack, right, Yeah,
And it's poor. It's weak writing.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Yeah, because characters can act any any particular way as
long as they consistently act in a particular way. And
it's not that they can't ever change. They can, but
the change has to make sense.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Yeah, there has to be catalysts for it, Like, what
are we doing? Like we have someone who is a
fighter just standing on a stool ready to just hang
what that makes zero sense? But okay, I guess well.

(55:11):
The one thing they have been consistent with is Herschel.
He's still the worst.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
At least at least he has that consistency going on
for him.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
And I hate that I feel that way about that
character because I feel like, you know, he could be more,
he could be so great that they turn him into
this whiney brady kid. I don't know. Yes, he got
his toe cut off. Yes, his mom hasn't been the best,

(55:42):
but my goodness, I don't know. I had so many
high hopes for that child, and just what we get.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
I was really hoping more for Judith than an RJ. Yeah, yeah,
not gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Yes, but I can't give it to the actor can act, though.
I feel like he can act.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
So it's just they gave me, yeah, terrible character.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
He can only do what there he's given. So all right,
all yeah, I'm done. I'm done with this. Oh my gosh,
So we'll be We'll be back again next week, talk
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(56:28):
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