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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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we are covering TWD Dead City Season two, episode six.
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(00:27):
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Speaker 2 (00:46):
Tamara, Hey everyone, my name is Lisa Orban. I am
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Speaker 1 (00:54):
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Speaker 2 (01:16):
Oh, absolutely, Tamra. This is a conversation and a dissertation.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Right, no scene by scene breakdowns here. We jump around
and of course huge spoiler alert for every show, everything
in this world through yesterday's episode. So if you're good
with that, this is the place for you, and we
should jump right to it because we have things to
talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yes we do.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Okay, what'd you think?

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Okay? I know, you know you Nikan is not your
favorite person, uh huh, but I'm gonna say damn. I
kind of really felt bad for him by the end
of the episode. I felt for him, Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Okay, in what way? Tell me how and why exactly?

Speaker 2 (01:54):
So it's like he's seeing all the destruction that he
has wrought. Okay, with you know the crow at and
with Maggie and Elizabeth is that her name, Libby Elizabeth?
The girl?

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Oh yeah, no, it's not her name, but her.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Name her, and you know, and and his wife and
kid actually were alive and they showed back up and
he's just like, I can't do this to him and
sends him out, and I just I don't know. He
just it's like he's actually he's looking back on his
life and going, god, huh, look at me, you know,

(02:36):
look at me. Go it was not a great run. No,
I just I just kind of felt bad for him
because it's kind of like the whole weight of all
all the bad that had he has done and all
that he has tried to rehabilitate himself with recently. Yeah,
it was all kind of meshed into just it's all

(03:00):
you know what I mean, whether he's trying to do
good or bad, the outcome seems to be almost the
same for him.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Now, Okay, I kind of see where what you're saying
and where you're coming from, because it does seem like
he's actually trying to be better. Although when he got
control of that group, my first instinct was like, oh, no,
he cannot be in charge of a group, because I thought,

(03:30):
you know, he's gonna bounce back once he has like
more absolute power, it's not gonna take long.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Right, But instead he just looked tired.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
He did look tired, and I think sending them back
with a mistake. I think you need to keep himself human.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
You know, And I don't disagree with that, but I
mean he had I mean, that was the question he asked, Maggie.
Are they better off with me or without me? I
might need them, right, but for their sake, where are
they better off? So in a way, sending a way
was a selfless act.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
I guess it depends on who you ask, because, Okay,
why were they brought there in the first place? Do
they know they came to see Meigan? Do they know?
Does Annie know? Then Megan was there? You know what
I'm saying. If that's the case, then she made that
long journey with her kid thinking they would be reunited. Right.

(04:33):
Was it like some kind of how do you get
someone to come with you without saying who you're going
to see and where you're going?

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Right?

Speaker 1 (04:40):
So in that case, I think that's very mean. He
should at least confront her, or not confront her, you know,
talk with her and say what his problem is, you know,
don't be a coward. That's cowardly.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
To me, it was, I mean, and I'm not saying
it wasn't. I think he just I do think he
was really trying to do the right thing. I don't
know that it was the right thing. I don't necessarily
agree with what he did, because I think he would
have been better off with them there. But he was
really struggling with that. You know. That's you know, him

(05:15):
even asking Maggie, you know, should I do this? And
he's like, I don't have any right to ask you?

Speaker 1 (05:23):
And he was right on that, and she was right
not to answer. That's his business. We're not friends, right,
Like they have a very interesting and complicated dynamic. They
don't hate each other's guts anymore, but they're definitely not friends.
And I definitely am not going to give you relationship advice.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
So and that's why he walked it immediately back.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yeah, I have no right to ask you that exactly.
And maybe he needed to talk to I guess he
didn't have anyone else to talk to, But I don't know.
I still I'm not even sure if she's actually gonna leave,
to be honest, So we saw them standing there, but
that doesn't mean that Annie is actually gonna do what
she's told. We might see her again, we might, especially

(06:08):
if she thought she was coming to see her man, right,
and then she's gonna be sent away. Oh no, she's
not just gonna leave no way.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
And if they do just make her disappear, if they
you know, just get rid of her character, off she goes,
I'm gonna be not really happy about it. I think
there's been some commentary online about how this show is
just treated her character, you know, and they just chose
to use, you know, a black woman to do it.

(06:37):
So I don't really like it. I don't like how
it feels. It feels icky if they're really gonna have
her come there and then just ship her off for real,
you know, she's had a hard go of it, you know.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Oh yeah, And I absolutely agree with you.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
Yeah. So I think hopefully, you know, that was really
bad for him to do that, assuming she knows she's
there to see him. That's like a slap in the face.
I came here, You're gonna send me away? That's bs
And I think she would react how anyone would feel
in that moment. So I do think I strongly think

(07:12):
she's gonna show up again unless they just really just
don't care, the writers don't care about that character at all.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
I think I look at it kind of a little
bit more like Nigan's like the alcoholic who knows he
can't stop drinking, so he sends his family away because
they're safer without him.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah, I get that, but you need support and he
doesn't know.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
It yet, right, So that's why I said, I think
he was trying to make he was really trying to
do the right thing by her.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
I don't necessarily agree that it was, but I truly
do believe he thought he was doing it for her,
that him having her and his with him was selfish
and would put them in danger, and he thinking that

(08:06):
she was probably safer where she was than with him,
And that may not be a wrong assumption either, particularly
considering there's gonna be a fight coming on here pretty
soon and it's not going to be pretty right.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
And you know, she probably was safer where she was,
But guess what, the ship has sailed. It's too late. Yeah,
you know, he had nothing to do with her coming
back there. That wasn't under his you know, he had
nothing to do with it. He couldn't control it. But
she's here now, so what are we going to do?
But I have to be honest. This scene where Nigan

(08:44):
is like looking out and he sees them. I think
we're supposed to feel all some kind of way about that,
but instead I was so distracted by the fact that
they did not even have her face at all on screen.
Why they take that?

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Like, why because it may not have been the actual actor?

Speaker 1 (09:03):
Now see, you know what. I did think that at first,
but apparently everyone has confirmed that it is indeed her,
which makes is another thing that makes me think we
will see her in another episode because it is her,
so it's been confirmed. Okay, but I'm like, that's so rude.
If I was that actress and that's how they played me,
I like, y'all did me dirty? Yeah, you show my face,

(09:26):
so she better show up again.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Well, and I mean, Anigan did have another option, and
that was to leave with them. Yeah, but she also
chose not to do.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Well, it's not too late, it's not. But if he leaves,
that would be the end of show, and I'll be
okay with it.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
And then you know, and he found the poor historian.
He's like now he's like, yeah, I don't know how
to get there.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Yeah, it's like I don't know where to go. I
don't know how to get home. He hears this noise
and he goes out of the cell. I'm like, take
the batman, you don't know what that is? Right, Instead,
he's just creeping around like he's half injured. Old man.
You know, he's injured, and he just chooses to take
a light with him instead of a weapon. I guess

(10:20):
it worked out this time, yes, but that could have
been a disaster. Yeah, I don't know, feel bad for
the little guy though, the historian guy, he's like.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Well, I'd like to get home. I just don't know,
you know, and and and you I mean the whole
time we've ever seen him, he's very unworldly. He's he's
a nerd. H you know, if this was regular times,
he probably would have lived in his basement and you know,

(10:50):
done nerdy things.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
M m probably.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
But yeah, he's you know, so he doesn't I don't
think he has any real survival skills.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
No, he's just a historian. He just likes learning and
to keeping the stories. I guess. Yeah, she was kind
of unfortunate for him, but you know it might work
out now, you know, now that he's with Meigan or whatever.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Nigan's like, welcome to the winning team. Yeah, and Egan,
you know that you know him saying, you know, I
used to have this group and I had these rules.
It was to keep us safe, and you know, and
you know, he's like, yeah, that was that wasn't good. Yeah, no,
And I did like the fact that he he he

(11:37):
was admitting that he had been wrong and it was
acknowledging that, you know, he was he he is very
much trying to be the better man now. He just
he's flailing.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
Mm hmm. So Karina's comments, I love she said Nigan's
a deadbeat.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
I saw that she wasn't fighting. She had to know
she was going to see her husband. Yeah. Yeah, she
didn't look mad, she was chilling, she was all casual.
I agree, she knew why she was there, so she's
gonna come on. She is a married woman who dragged
her kid across the country. She's not going anywhere hopefully hopefully.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
And I'm hoping they don't kill them before the end
of the season too. Oh, that I'd be quite unfortunate.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
Yeah, I would not like that at all. I feel
like that would be I don't know, unless they're just
looking for a way to make him bad again. You know,
what would be the most purpose of that, You know,
that could be a trigger for him to be a
bad person again, like, yeah, my family's dead after world,
you know, but hopefully not. I don't know. I kind

(12:49):
of don't hate the redemption thing he's on and that
he's trying to stay on the straight and narrow, So
I don't hate it because he still is able to
show like his career and like his skill set with
still acting this way.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
So yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
I mean, we even let the Kroat go.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
He let him leave, which was probably not the best
idea he's ever had, but.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
You know, no, he let him go after he like
yelled at him like a child in front of everybody.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
But I made you everything you are.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
He did, though, he did. Yeah, that's facts, and he
had to own up to it. He accepted that. But
I don't know. I mean, he did like get a
couple of good swings at him with that bat. I dang,
that sucks. I don't know. They're supposed to be quote
unquote brothers, right.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
Well, the Croat has looked up to him like an
idol for you know, since basically he brought Nagan Putnan
on the Dama's radar.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Yeah, and you.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Know, his his big hope had been that him and
Megan could be equals or in that, because the last
time he saw Megan, he was definitely the subordinate. And
I think the crow At really wanted Megan to look
at him honestly as an equal, you know, not because

(14:25):
he was holding a knife to his throat, but because
he had respect for him. And I think that was
his big thing. He wanted that from Meagan, and you
know that, I think it. But the crow AT's also
a person that really does not function well on his own.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Well, I mean, we're about to find out because he's
not really just going to walk away. He's going to
get involved with things.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
So oh yeah, and I don't know if you saw
the previous for next week, but he is definitely involved
with things.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Yeah, I don't know. I think he's like a little weird.
He's a weird guy. Yeah, And you're right, he definitely
wants to be brothers with him. He wants to be
equal with him. But the way, like Meagan basically yelled
at him, he made it clear, we are not equal, right,

(15:22):
we aren't, we weren't, and we're not gonna be get out.
And I think if anything, that was a little reality
check for him. I don't know, maybe he's not gonna
be so team Meagan anymore.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
I don't yeah. Yoh, basically Meagan rubbed it in his face.
I am your maker, you know, in Shaper, and without
me you would have been nothing. Yeah, and I am
discarding you now to go back to being nothing.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
Yeah. I mean this is the truth. I mean, come on,
the Kroe isn't like I said, he's not very with
it all the way we talked about him earlier this season.
You know, he's so hot headed. Yeah, he doesn't have
good plans. He can't think things through, he can't think tactically. Instead,
he just reacts, reacts, reacts right, and he'll never be

(16:14):
in charge the way he thinks he wants to be right. Yeah,
hethn't like that.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
So Harrying's on his gut feeling yeah, and he once
that instant satisfaction. He doesn't really care about facts. He
doesn't really care about the details of things. Those things
are unimportant to him.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
I mean, even in this situation where he was ready
to quote unquote fight him or I don't know if
he thought Nia would just lay down and let him
get him with the bat. But obviously sorry, guy, you're
like frail and old looking, and I think that if
Niga really tried, he would beat you, right, So why

(16:55):
did he not accept help from the people. He's like, hey,
damn it, this between us. He is like again he
wants to be this big, bad he thinks he's better
than what he is, batter and bigger, everything, all the things,
and he's not. It's stillly embarrassing, like you should have
took the help.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Right, But then again, if he had taken the help,
he also that also would have made him, if he
had won, still weaker in the eyes of the people,
and he never would have been able to hold him together.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
I don't know what's worse and being kicked out and
you slink away and looking at the ground, or having
a little help and still having to prove yourself a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
I think it would have been if he had had
to prove if he had needed their help and had
to prove himself to them, they just would have run
right over him and probably killed him to get rid
of him.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
I don't know, maybe maybe not, we'll never know, but
I would have at least tried.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
Well, because it's not like the crow at had made
a lot of effort to make alliances among the.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Evil, not that they showed us anyway.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah, you know, every time we saw him interacting with anyone,
it was him throwing his weight around, being you know, vicious,
mean petty. So it's not like he has a lot
of good will to barter with with these guys. You know,

(18:23):
all has is the illusion that he is bigger, batter,
and stronger.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
Instead of being like second in command, he really comes
off like the irritating assistant, you know, so like the
boss says, do this, do it, you know, going around,
bost some people around. Instead of being instead of seeming
like he's the one in control, like you know, I'm
second you answer to me, it was more like a
whiny assistant to me.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yeah, he's a toty. Yeah, you know, I mean that's
you know, he wasn't second in command. He was her toty.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
Mm hmm. That's exactly it. And like we said last episode,
Negan knew that and he kind of pushed him and
made like he made that happen. When there saw the rat,
I was like, oh no, and then I said, okay,
well he sees the rat. But then later, you know,
Nigan has his feet up, and I'm like, okay, first off,

(19:20):
just like a guy to half ask do something, you
cleaned the rat stuff off. Why didn't you wash the
blood off? Well?

Speaker 2 (19:28):
You know, I mean, it is a city full of blood.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
I suppose, I know, but it was just the coincidence
and it just happened to be. I don't know. They
weren't out fighting any walker, So where else with the
blood come from?

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Right?

Speaker 1 (19:42):
I don't get why you wouldn't just stick your shoe
and a thing of water right quick. They probably have
it all over the place.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
Well. It was also the shape of the rat. I
mean the rat had a fairly distinctive squish mark. Yeah
that matched Megan's boot. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
True.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
So I think even if there hadn't have been blood
on his shoe, I think I think the crowet would
have realized because again the rat had kind of a
criss crossy, you know, fairly distinctive chunk up marks.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
So you think he would have had enough I guess
since to clock that without the blood being on the shoe.
Uh huh hmmm, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Do you know how I know this?

Speaker 1 (20:28):
How do you know?

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Because I couldn't see the blood on the shoe, oh okay,
but I could see the marks and the rat and
they matched the marks in the booth.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
Okay, all right, fair enough, I'll take care. Yes it
has to Yeah, I guess it could be mm hmm.
I don't know. That was weird.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Score one for the blind lady.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
He's like, you're supposed to be my friend and you
played me booo. I'm like, okay.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
And and him, I mean, if the crow At really
was the leader he thinks he is, he would have
instantly gone dude, thanks solid, you know what I mean,
because he would have wanted to be in charge, and
instead he was just panicking m hm. He was having
a straight up anxiety attack in the hallway.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yeah, he was another reason why he would never be
in charge. Dude. Oh my gosh. Yeah, hasn't he ever
heard on your pillow? Sir? Yeah? Everybody you are probably
people get see you right.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Well, I mean he probably thought he was fairly safe
because really the only person up there would have been vegan.
And I'm not you know, I don't know what it
and but yeah, he just he straight up had a
panic attack. He could not he needed the dama mm hm.
And so yeah, he he's like, oh, shit, what am

(22:02):
I going to do now?

Speaker 1 (22:03):
He relied on like he really just I think thought
that was going to be his setup forever. He really
shocked himself when he took her out. I don't think
he thought he would do something like that. You know,
he was so jarred by the fact that he actually
admitted I could have saved her, but I didn't. You know,

(22:26):
I don't think he's ever well. I mean, being that
he was with Nigan in the past. I'm sure he's
killed people before, you know, like on purpose without and
I mean he.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Killed people, you know, in front of this time around,
it wasn't It wasn't the people that bothered.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
He was her, just her again. It's like, get so,
I guess she's supposed Honestly, I don't understand what was
so alluring about her. She seemed like a creepy lady. Yeah,
you know, well, Niga says to Maggie later. You know,
it's not her fought. She you know, is persuasive or whatever.

(23:03):
But I just didn't see it. I didn't get the
vibe from her that she had the ability to just
talk people into like a siren, talk you into doing
what I want. She's so aggressed. She's so abrasive and
so ill Like, how, I don't know, how did that work?
I would love to know it did work until it didn't, right.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
And that's how things often work in this world. They
work and until they don't, you know.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
So hmmm.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Yeah. And then we have herschel Oh god.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
You know, the biggest brat on the planet. Still.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
You know, I had I had had some hope for
him that he after he saw Maggie almost die. Okay,
he had just come to Jesus moment, you know, maybe
he realizes now that perhaps he was a little hasty
in his actions. And then he goes and gets the
walker blood.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Yeah, he he sure did, and he's gonna put it
in the water. Yeah, Like wow, he is a little deviant.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
And then the way he shoved his mother, Oh my god,
whoa Like what are we doing?

Speaker 2 (24:26):
And she's trying to talk to him, and he's like,
it's not like you care so that you were ever there.
And I would like to disagree with him, but I
really can't. And I from that from him saying that
it's not that he was exactly wrong. She really wasn't
there for a long time, but she is trying now
mm hm. But yeah, he was just gonna take everyone out.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
So the thing about resenting your parents is like, if
you want to heal the relationship, if she's doing better,
you have to choose to get over it, Like you
can be mad about it, you can forgive her or not.
You have to choose, but to act like you want
to go home, to act like you know he's very

(25:13):
deceptive and that's too much for me. And then all
of a sudden, he's sneaking around in the middle of
the night, like you've got to be kidding me. Open
your mouth and express yourself. You have no problem. Sometimes
I don't know, it just seems bad. I'm like, you can't.
You'll never get over this. You'll never heal and be
able to just deal with your mother if you can't

(25:35):
even talk to her and stay you wait till you
get busted, and then you scream at her like a
little lunatic, right I have. I don't know. I at
one point I really did feel bad for the kid,
but now I'm just like, he's more of a brat
to me than anything. I don't know, I got no.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Million.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
And then he runs off so he saves her from
the bear, he saves her. I'm gonna help my mom,
and then I'm gonna run out run off. I'm like what,
And that's the whole thing. Either I miss something, because
I sure enough did not rewind. So after you know,
the bear incident, the next thing we know, like Maggie's
running in the street. I'm like, well, what the hell happened?
Am I?

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (26:19):
Hershel ran off? Like we didn't even like see him
run off.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Or well, she saw him up there in the gallery,
you know, through the knives, and then we didn't, and
then when she looked again, he was gone. I assumed
at that point he was leaving, because you know, he
said I'm leaving, and the way he's talking, I don't
think he ever planned on going back to the breaks
with her. As soon as he was on that island,
he had no intention of ever going back.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Well, Good writons, but that's not gonna bet the case.
She'll try to make it right with him and hopefully
bring him back. He is a kid still, right, he's
not an adult, so I guess he can he can
just stay and that's the only way. But seems like
she's going to find him now that he can kind
of rat it out where he could go. Yeah, but

(27:08):
I do want to talk a little more about this
bear scene. I thought it was pretty good. So the
scene where they open the door and they look and
you can see this thing. At first, my first instinct
was like, oh my god, is that a gorilla, because
I'm like, a gorilla could yank someone and beat them
like that, you know, like they But then when it

(27:28):
got closer, I'm like, oh, it is a bear. But
at first, like my first instinct was like, is that
a big ass gorilla.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
That's initially that's what I thought too. Yeah, and yeah,
and I think too when if you looked at the bear,
I don't think that the bear had its full vision.
It looked like at least one of his eyes was
scarred over.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Oh yeah it was.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
And I think that's why it wasn't just rushing at her,
because he really couldn't see.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Her mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
But yeah, this is a bear that has has seen
some stuff.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
Look, this's a wild bear. So the wild the bear
used to be in the zoom and now he's wild. Yeah,
I don't know that scary stuff, Like, oh my god.
So I did think that was exciting. I'm like, oh,
that's something different, you know.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Yeah, walkers too, didn't he?

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Oh yeah, he slicing diced some things.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
You can tell he's had some experience dealing with the
with the walkers.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
He's probably been out there, you know, protecting himself or.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Whatever, so trying to I mean he that was a
massively scarred up bear, so he didn't have a lot
of fur. And yeah, he it's life has been a struggle.
Struggle was real.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Honestly, she was very lucky because even with herschel throwing
the little knives, if she hadn't like chosen to kind
of lay down or be right up against that railing.
She was trying to be strategic about it, and it
worked out. It worked out. The thing was like leaning
to fall on her and fell on the edge of

(29:21):
the you know, gag or whatever and killed himself basically.
But I don't know. That was very lucky.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
And like I said, if the bear had been able
to see it probably wouldn't have done it. It's just it.
It was probably going more by smell than anything else.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
Probably poor bear. Oh no, it's just a bear doing
bear things.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yep. Although then we get the next morning and everyone's like, yeah,
she left us a present. Not really. I mean she
left it, don't get me wrong, but she didn't let
the bear in. You know, bear just came in.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
Yeah, and why okay? So why okay? I understand Pearley
has his own opinion, like they they're gone, they just
busted up there out of here. But then to tell
poor Jenny, oh they left you? Come on, did they really?
Did he really think he's been dealing with Maggie for

(30:19):
a while. Did he really think that she would just
leave Jenny and just like just leave her. I just
think that was so shortsighted to say that to her.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
Well, and Jenny and Maggie had that conversation in the bathroom,
and Maggie was even trying even at this point to
extend the olive branch to say, I hope you come
back with us. Yeah, you know you're You're still welcome
at the Bricks. You know, I'll still continue to be

(30:48):
your guardian. I don't think she was really feeling that,
Don't get me wrong, but.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
But she has a bigger she has not even a
better excuse, I guess, but she's younger than herschel So
you know, I feel like I almost just know, like
she's twelve, and she's acting like a twelve year old,
so I don't know. She's a little brady too, but
she's younger, so she kind of gets a half pass

(31:21):
I guess.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Yeah, Although it was kind of wondering because during that conversation,
Maggie did look really hard at her pack. And I'm
wondering if that gun that she was holding a Megan
even had bullets in it.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
You know, I'm not sure. I'm gonna say at least
one maybe she thought it did. She really wants to
kill him.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Yeah, well I get that, but the way Maggie was
looking at that pack, I'm wondering if she didn't take
the bullets.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
Oh, I see what you mean.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
And she was behind me, I mean she you know,
she knew herschel had left. Yeah, we don't know what
she did between the time the bear died and and
and she was on the streets killing walkers, right, so
it and she didn't have her pack with her when
you know, she went after herschel, So she would have

(32:21):
had to have gone back because she had it with her, right,
So I'm wondering if at the time she emptied the
bullets from the gun.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
She might have. I don't know, but I know Jenny
thought there were bullets in there, and she did hesitate though. Yeah,
when she saw in me again, she kind of paused
and then proceeded to faint.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yeah, and I mean it's not I mean, she was
a little she's delirious, she's not doing so well, so
she probably didn't even look.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
No, probably not. She probably just assumed it was how
it was supposed to be, you know, m Well, of
course they weren't going to let the little girl just
kill Meagan like that. He's the main character. I think
they have a little like bulletproof insulation for being killed,

(33:13):
both he and Maggie both.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
I mean, doesn't mean they can't get torn up. It
doesn't mean they can't have a bad time of things.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
But yeah, yeah, but well they actually died. Doubt it, right,
unless it's the end, maybe in the end, to let
one of them die and hopefully it's Megan, that would
be fair.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Yeah, and I don't know that. I mean because Nagan,
he didn't say a word to I mean, he didn't
didn't say hi, didn't say don't, didn't say nothing. He
just stood there, took a couple of steps towards her
and then she fainted, and yeah, as soon as she
fainted in his arms, he gave her that little kiss

(33:55):
on the forehead. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Look, he's a smart guy. I think he kind of
knows this chick is mad, this little girl is upset. Yeah,
there's nothing I can probably say, so I'm not gonna try.
She'll just shoot me, you know.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
And it's and he can't even say she doesn't have
a good reason to be mad.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
At him, exactly. Sometimes it's better to say nothing.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Yeah, I mean, not that her dad was all that great.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Yeah, exactly. And I don't know all that right.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
And I don't think Nigan at this point would say
why he killed her dad. You know, we know it's
it was to save his wife.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
M hm.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
So maybe it might make a difference to her or not.
But I don't think he wants to take that from
I don't think she wants to take her memories of
her good memories of him away from her.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
Well, you know, if Annie is still around and eventually
she meets Jenny, maybe it might come out right naturally
in another away yeah, you know, and then maybe she
might just have to She might not be happy about it,
but she'll probably be like shocked that she didn't even
know her parents either. So I don't know, it's hard

(35:13):
to say that the character doesn't speak so here.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
And then we have.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Phurly Yeah, okay, I was like, oh my god, one
more time. Look we got rip to the wig for
the second time. Rip Wig. Yeah. But yeah, he was
blackmailed because she went off talking while she was turning.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Yeah, look at her go.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
And we don't know exactly what all she said. We
don't know how much information she gave about like New
Babylon or anything.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
No, we don't know that, but we know that she
gave just enough information for Brugal to blackmail him. Yeah,
so for him to feel like he has enough on
him that he could blackmail him. So Lamars. I don't
know if she had it enough energy left to just
tell everything about everything, but she told the most important part,

(36:21):
which is she really dislikes him for like lying about
killing Megan. So she really had an ax to grind
about him specifically. So I don't know, maybe not more
than that though, just enough to blackmail him.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Right, we're going to hip an alliance and it's going
to be lovely, you know. But Maggie didn't have a
good point. You know, if Brugle was willing to turn
on the Dava in the deal that they needed, in
the deal that they had made, then there was no

(36:58):
reason to believe that he would not do this the same,
you know, to Perle and New Babylon.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Right, he totally will. He's gonna, honestly, if he's able
to get himself to New Babylon and a position of power,
coming back as equal or I don't know, having any
kind of interaction with that group that is still not
you know, unattainable to him, he'll try to come in
and take them over. I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Oh yeah, yeah. And it's really too bad that the
crow At beat to death the other guy, because I
think him and Nagan could have really worked out a
good deal together. Maybe, you know, well with Nagan giving
him sympathy from a position of power, you know, would

(37:41):
go a long way to make a stronger bond.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Wow, Well, this brutal guy, I don't know exactly. Do
you think he'll make it out of this season or
you think they'll be he'll be killed in the next
two episodes.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
I think he'll be killed in the next two episodes.
I will also say do you WHOI kind of reminds
me of who an evil Peachy Varnum.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
Hm hmm kind of. Yeah. I could see it.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
The showmanship, the the grandiose way of speaking, the you know,
the loving his own voice.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
I just love to talk.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
I do too, I mean, we have that in common.
But I'm also not trying to take over the world,
so you know. But yeah, he, you know, he in that.
The picture of Washington crossing the Delaware is just, oh
my god, let it go, man, which Maggie kind of
told him just let it go because I think, I mean,

(38:44):
she can see the the bullshit artist in him.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Yeah. I mean she's come across a lot of these
wanna be like faction leader and people who just talk
so much shit for lack of a better word, She's
able to clock him pretty easily. Oh yeah, And I
don't know why Burke Pearly couldn't.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
I In some ways Pearly is a little more uh naive.
I mean, he's he's been fairly It's not that he's
had an easy life, but it seems like he's been
a little more. He's been with this group, with the
with New Babylon, and from what we've seen of his history.

(39:31):
He hasn't gone far, he hasn't strayed far. And I
don't think he you know, I think he's also kind
of accepted power as his power, does you know?

Speaker 1 (39:44):
And I mean we shall also not forget that. Really
he is a kind of character that colors in the
lines always, he always sees things as black and white.
Until last season, right last season, the first season of
this show, he decides to not kill Nagan. You know,
So until then he seems like he's really a rule

(40:05):
follower and doesn't deviate. So this is kind of new
for him, you know, doing something else. So maybe he
just assumes that everyone else is doing the right thing
because he wants to do the right thing. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
I don't think he assumes everyone else is doing the
right thing, because he's obviously not that naive.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
But he well, he thinks that people he wants to
believe who they say they are right.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
But he's also been under a very strong Armish dictatorship.
M He's watched New Babylon take over group after group
and either by you know, by the character to stick
they didn't care how they did it, as long as
it was done. And Brugal is pretty much the same

(40:52):
way character stick man. Take your pick, but either way,
it's gonna happen. And so, I mean, Purley's more or
less just because of how everything is a New Babylon
has been kind of conditioned to just go, Okay, you're
in charge. He did try to kind of stay I mean,

(41:14):
and it wasn't a forceful stand up against you know, no,
I think I'm going to politely decline, very politely. But yeah,
it wasn't. It wasn't him making a firm negative.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
It wasn't better watch it. He might not make it
out this season alive.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Yeah, and I don't know that he I'm not laying
good odds on him either.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
Yeah, he's sough like he's just so stupid in some ways. Yeah,
I want to root for his character, but he's making
it hard.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Well, it's you know, the rules are there for a reason,
but sometimes the reason is wrong, and sometimes you have
to color outside of the lines to make things work.
And he doesn't like disorder. He doesn't like not following

(42:15):
the rules. He likes having a set thing. Because if
he was really against New Babylon, if he had really
had an eye opening experience, you know, when he let
Megan go and realize the error of his ways. He
would have figured out a way to leave New Babylon,
not just the city, but the whole area.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
So to me, Pearley is just through and through a
beta mail. He is not an alpha in any way,
shape or form, and so he just takes the path
of least resistance that seems the best.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
Yeah, And it's not like no, and Brugal is not
all that different from any of the other people we
saw in a position of leadership in New Batalon. You know,
you take the other command staff that we had initially,

(43:13):
and if you had thrown Brugal in there, he wouldn't
have stood out in any way. It would have fit
right in right. So I mean the fact that Pearly
was aware of their faults and aware of the bad
that they are doing, and still chose to follow. And

(43:35):
he might have given he was trying to give us
some small resistance here or there, but he wasn't a
He's not a rebel leader. You know, he's not a
resistance kind of person. And you know, he wants the rules,
he wants the stability, he wants the order.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Yeah, definitely, hmm. Okay, what else is there anything else
that we I think we got everything, so probably freaking
Herschel Jenny the crow at Nagan. Let's see Annie, Yeah,

(44:20):
did you realize that this? Well you probably did because
you watched the after thing. So how do you think
that Lauren Cohen did as a director?

Speaker 2 (44:27):
I think she did pretty good. I didn't I mean,
I didn't have any complaints with the episode. It was
definitely better than last week's I thought it. Yeah, I
thought it had a nice pasting to it.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
Mm hmm. So okay, So I think her director, her directoring,
I don't know her directing. There we go. I think
that was fine. There was nothing technical that I could say,
oh my god, that is awful, you know. So it
was fine. But I think the writing was still a

(45:00):
little bit off to me. But that's not her fault.
That's the writers.

Speaker 4 (45:04):
That's the writing room, right, and she's you know, got
to deal with what she gets, So writers right, directors
direct Yeah, And the pacing. I think the pacing was okay,
although I did find myself rewinding a little bit in
the beginning, just a little bit because I just will
wander off.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
So I don't know. I think it is better than
last episode. But it's still not great.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
I thought it was a it's not. It wasn't the
best episode we've seen from the show, but I thought
it was a definite improvement from last week's.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
Yeah, and I guess Nigan has some character development this
this this episode. I guess they're trying to go to
make him more complicated than he already is.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
They're trying, you know, his redemption arc is more like
a pretzel but you know, yeah, exactly. The bear was fun,
but it was also ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
But it was but you know.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Again, it was it was entertaining to watch.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Yeah, something new, true, Yeah, something new, and uh, you.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Know, watching her try to unleash the walkers on on
the bear to just slow it down, and I'm like, man,
that I really didn't slow it down very much, did it.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
That was a big bear, not even a little bit.
The bears like knocking them things away like dolls. Yeah
mmm yeah. And then the kids, Hershel and Jenny, who
are also so aggravating both of them. So that's all
I got. I don't have anything else.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Yeah, so, uh, you didn't watch the previous for next week, then.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
I never really do. I kind of just if I
happened to see it later, I'll watch it, but I don't.
I don't on purpose watch it. I kind of want
to be surprised. So what what was in there?

Speaker 2 (47:01):
So when when I was saying that he really shouldn't
have just let the crow At loose because nothing good's
going to come of it. Nothing good's going to come
of it because he has Herschel.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
Oh, of course he does. So he must go to
the same place that Herschel goes to looking for the Dama,
and that's where they cross paths.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Yeah, he probably went back to Dama's you know, primary resident,
because he's feeling lost, and Herschel went there because he
was trying to find the Dama, not knowing that she
had generally relocated to the church.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
I wonder how Herschel is going to act when he
finds out the woman is.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Dead and that you know, the crow At had killed her.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
You know, will he feel any kind of way or
will he be like, well, I don't know, I'll keep
her her alive through the city.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
I don't know well, And I think I think part
of it is is with Herschel. It's the Doma is
part of it. But he and he said this a
couple different times in a couple of different ways, which is,
he really does seem to love that city for whatever reason.
He doesn't care for the bricks. He doesn't want to

(48:20):
go back under the rule of the New Babylon. He
doesn't like what's going on there for the most part.
And honestly, I mean on that, I don't blame the
kid for that one, because living under the New Babylon
cannot be fun, right, and and I'm supposed from his

(48:40):
point of view, it was better to be the pet
of the leader then, you know, the the cannon fodder.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
Well, I think that is what he's thinking. But he's
about to have to get a different understanding because honestly,
he's got nowhere to go. He hates Megan, right, So
now that Megan's in charge, he's not gonna want to
be with that group, right. He doesn't like Brugal, obviously,
you know, he doesn't want to go home. There's no

(49:14):
place else but to go home with your mother. But
playing around, what can you do at this point?

Speaker 2 (49:20):
I mean, if they hadn't have killed all the the
quiet people, mm hmm, he probably I could see him
staying with them. Yeah, he kind of fit in there.
I mean, honestly, and of all the places that they
have been with him, that was the one place he
seemed most at ease. But they are no more.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
They are no more. So that's one more option taken away.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Yeah, he's just.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
Gonna have to go home. And that's that he's gonna
have to, you know, grow up a little bit, try
to forgive his mother or just deal with her and
go home. What else is he gonna do?

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Well? And I mean, and here again, Maggie does have
the option of not going back to the Bricks, to
not going back to New Babylon at all. You know,
there's yeah, there's really no reason for her to stay there,
not really. I mean, she's not a leader there, She's

(50:18):
one of many voices.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
So you think she'll stay in New York City.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
No, I'm not saying to say, I'm just saying she
doesn't have to go back to New Babylon. She has
other options if she really wanted to, if he has
if he's adamant about not wanting to go back under
the thumb of New Babylon, And honestly, I wouldn't want
to either.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
So do you think that she could find another group?
That's just not on Manhattan, that's not on the island.
Maybe yeah, humm, interesting, I mean at this point, she's
not that far from.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Oh what do you call them, the people that had brick.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
Oh yeah, Well she's not going to go to the CRM,
that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Well, depending on where they are in the timeline, you know,
the CRM may not be the CRM anymore.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
So true, and that's the whole thing. I don't even
know where we are in the timeline anymore, to be honest,
I'm just like along for the ride. I'm not sure
where we are and how these shows a line right now,
but I'm sure someone's figured it out, but I don't know.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Yeah, but yeah, it does kind of surprise me that
the CRM, if if they were parallel with each other,
that they wouldn't have come for the for the methane.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
Well, there we go, trying to make shows connect in
the writing work right for the world, Look at us
trying to make the world make sense.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
Well, because they were in what Philadelphia, right, Yeah? And
Philadelphia is not that far from New York.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
No, And they had those helicopters, so they were able
to go far distances in those I don't know.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
I mean they were down in Louisiana. Yeah, they're in Texas,
so I mean they had they had a place in Seattle, Washington,
in Omaha, so there's really no reason why they couldn't
have just skipped over to New York. So yeah, but
then again, like I said, we don't know where they

(52:34):
are in the timeline.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
Right, yeah, exactly, but at any point they could have
been there during the time, So I don't know, it
doesn't make sense whatever, I guess. All right, So let's
see any other topics you want to cover before we
call it a day.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
No, I'm kind of I'm interested to see who dies,
because I'm pretty sure we're going to have at least
one more death.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
I think it's gonna be if I had to guess.
So obviously, Maggie and niek In are bulletproof. It's not them,
I think it. Peurley has a good shot at being
taken off the table, and the crow at the crow
at does and of course, you know, the latest villain,

(53:28):
Ruble has a shot. And of course, unfortunately I don't
want to think about it. But you know, Annie could
die as well, Yeah, she could if she sticks around,
Like I think she does.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
I mean technically Herschel could die.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
Hershel could die, but then we'd have another season of
Maggie acting like a zombie because she would lose her mind.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Oh she would. I don't know that she'd be a zombie. Well,
I think that she would be death incarnate.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
See, I don't know who would she get revenge on.
I don't know, I mean, because honestly, it could be
a bite that takes him out and then it's no
one's fault. So Domond's dead already, so I don't know
who she would get revenge on.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
Right, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
I mean, even Jenny could die. She might need to. Yeah,
it could be her.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
I mean, she's already injured, so you know, and it's
obviously a she's been raised by a bullet. I mean
it hasn't she wasn't struck, it didn't go in, but
it did leave a pretty good mark.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
So basically, anybody is fair game except for Maggie and Meacon. Yeah,
you're right, they're gonna take one more one more, yeah,
at least maybe two, maybe two, maybe one from the
bad side and one from the people that we're supposed
to like, right, So hmmm.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
My three top contenders are Brugal Early Bang the.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Crow At mmmmm it makes sense. Hmm. Now I want
to know if if Megan will not be in charge
of that group, or if he's going to go into
the next season as a leader of that group. Still
I'm curious about that.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
I'm thinking he's going to go into next season the
leader of that group.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
Mmm. Eek. He's gonna turn bad again, I know it. Eek. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Now it's an interesting thought throwing this one out there.
If Megan does take control and he's firmly in control
of New York, I could see him sending Maggie back
with the met thing for her set up and to
put a power play to for between the Bricks and

(56:05):
New Babylon. Yeah, yep, we got the power and if
you do anything to me, they're cutting it off because
this isn't being extended to New Babylon. The power is
coming to me, and if I'm not here, it goes away.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
Well, it's a power play, for sure, it is. Hmmm.
I don't know so many interesting things. It's like it's
hard to even guess what direction they're going to because
this just seems such like such a wild variation of
the show. I don't know what is going on.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Really, it's kind of like they're throwing spaghetti on the
to the wall and seeing what sticks.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
Yeah, it's kind of all over the place.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
Right, because if we followed logical conclusions, the season would
not have played out as it has. And if I
had been Maggie and found out that my son had
betrayed me, I mean, and I love all my kids,
don't get me wrong, but I would not have There

(57:10):
would not have been trust. Yeah, And I mean she's
almost been reluctant to to broach the subject with him.
You know, she's she's kind of danced around the edges
of it. You know, I didn't think she had any
power over you anymore kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
I don't know why she acted scared of her own child.
I mean, just talk to him like this is a
real situation. You know, at that point, she didn't know
the woman was dead either. So let's figure this out.
What is going on. You're not leaving anywhere. Can you
tell me what's going on? Yeah, I don't know. Maybe

(57:55):
that's just I don't know what kind of parenting that
is Maggie's doing. I don't know, timid parenting I guess something.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
Oh no, although I did kind of with Niga, and
he's like, I just want you to know, Yeah, the
dominds and no more so you don't have to worry
about her. I wasn't lying about my situation. I just
figured it out.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
It's like, please, do not get pissed off at me.
I really did. I did not lie right well, and you.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Know, she's just kind of looking at him and she's
goes like you always.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
Do, yeah, you know, yeah, you're always fine. So yeah, surprise, surprise, Yeah, look.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
At my surprise face. And she's not wrong there, but yeah,
and you can kind of see that again. Will Niga
and Maggie ever be friends? Know, they won't, and I
don't think they ever should be. But there is a

(58:57):
It's like the comfort of an old shoe. You know,
it's not that it's great, you know, it gives you blisters,
but it's you know, familiar.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
The most uncomfortable shoot, but you like they go with everything,
so you wear anyway, you know.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
So I it's no, she doesn't. I mean, she doesn't
want him actively dead. And I mean and she did
throw at you know, she did throw out to him. Hey,
just you know FYI here, you know, Brugal's coming after
you have a couple of days notice now, So I mean,
and she didn't have to.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
They have a very delicate, you know, kind of balance
right now, like I'm going to help you a little bit,
you help me a little bit. Sometimes our goals aligne
you know, I don't think she thinks he's the most
terrible person anymore, you know, obviously, But you're right. They're

(59:58):
never going to be friends, and they shouldn't be. They
just have to be very They're like two wild animals
in the same space.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
You stick to your side and I stick to my side,
and every once in a while we'll kind of help
each other out. I mean. And I don't think she
would fight for Meagan, don't know unless there was you know,
if it was the two of them again going to
fight Herschel or they had some or even Jenny.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
But still she wouldn't be fighting for him right with him, right,
She would never be like accept direction from him. No, no, no, no,
So first I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
Well, and that's kind of the other interest with their relationship.
If it's something that they if if Meagan came to
her and said Jenny has been taken and you're the
only person that can help me get her out. I'm
pretty sure Maggie would go with him and help.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
Yeah, because she now cares about Jenny, right, even though
she doesn't know how to deal with the little girl.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
But but you know, just like if she came to
Megan again and said, I need your help to get
herschel although at this point Megan might be thinking, God,
we just need to put that kid under a rock somewhere, you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
Know, yeah, like honestly tie him down somewhere, like what
is going on?

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
But yeah, I mean, so they do have that where
there's Again, they won't fight for each other, but they
will come to the other's aid if it's something that
they if it's something important.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
So it's really again, it's not friendship, it's just it's
but it is a relationship of a weird sol.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Kind of of convenience kind of yeh kind of Yeah,
you know that they will be they will be just fine,
never speaking to each other again, though.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
I mean, this is a relationship that's built on guilt
and shame and terror and blood, you know, all sorts
of terrible bad things. But it is weirdly a bond
because it is something. I mean, it's they have a
lot of share mutual history unfortunately. So yeah, it's it's

(01:02:32):
a weird relationship and it is a relationship, it's just
not a friendship.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
So I don't know if you heard this or not,
but you know how every there was a particular group
of fans that were all about Carol and Daryl. You
remember that they were all acting ridiculous. Apparently there's a
now a group of fans that are all about Maggie
and Megan. No. Yes, it's sickening. And they even have

(01:03:03):
a little ship or name for them. What is it?
Naggie g G G I E Niki.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
It's like watching the train wreck.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
It's awful. I'm like, what kind of name is that?
First off, they can come up with something better, something
more as tolerable. That sounds ridiculous, Yeah, well it And
then why in this world would you want someone to
get with the man who murdered her husband?

Speaker 5 (01:03:38):
Right like?

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
That does not make any damn sense to me. I
cannot I mean, if.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
Nagan, out of the kindness of his heart, had like
killed Carol's deadbeat husband to save her, Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Fine, you know, that's something else entirely, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
A different circle kind of stance. Yeah, but that's not
Maggie loved him, you know, Glenn loved Glenn with all
of her heart to the point where she cannot live
a normal life. It could not love her son the
way he needed to be loved and too. To get

(01:04:23):
into a relationship with Nagan would be a betrayal of
to her son, to her memory of her husband, to herself.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
Look, you think she doesn't get along with her son,
now you just wait, right, that would just be hell
on earth for everyone, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
So, I mean it's again, I'm not denying that Naggie
and Nagan don't have a relationship, because they do. Anytime
that you have a an interaction with someone on a
semi you know, reg basis, you have a relationship, friends, acquaintances, whatever,

(01:05:04):
And what they have is weird and it's you know,
dysfunctional on an epic scale, right, But it is a connection,
but it's not romantic, it's not you know that. Yeah,
that's just wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
Yeah, very wrong. And people need to stop, just stop
the madness. Like, I don't understand if you if you
want a romance, so freaking bad. Go turn on a
different type of show. Go read a novel. I don't know,
stop trying to make everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
You know, this is not just because it's a boy
and a girl doesn't mean that they.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
Have to get together, exactly. It's so ridiculous and unfortunate.
It's like, come on, come on, y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
Well, and there's even a lot of shows that they
had intended not to put the two main characters as
being anything more than friends, and then they caved to
the pressure, and the shows go downhill because that dynamic
between you know, that that push and pull dynamic between
friends and adversaries was lost, right, you know, the the

(01:06:17):
the tension that the dynamics of the relationship has fundamentally changed,
and it generally ruins the show.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Definitely, that happens a lot, even when they plan for
them to get together. And when they get together, it's
basically the kiss of death. The show is basically done, right,
No one wants to see them after they get.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
Together, right, And you know, really, I just and and
they picked such weird people to put together because god,
I remember well before even Dead City people had said
something about, oh well maybe when I guess they were
announcing who was going to be on Dead City. Oh well, Maggie,
he canna get together? Are you out of your mind?

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:07:04):
What is wrong with you?

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
I don't know, they they, I don't. I wish I
could understand, but I also don't wish I could understand
because it sounds crazy to me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
So we just have to have the love interest, no, no,
one of the love interests. That that's where you should
have watched, you know, riaking micheow.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
Okay, yeah, that's the love interest. Go back and rewatch
that season there, you.

Speaker 5 (01:07:30):
Go, go watch that, not this, you know, and not
Carol and Darryl and you know, all that garbage.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
Stop with the dust, garbage, stop with the hot mess.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
Stop just stop.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
So yeah, that's what we're dealing with. So mm hmm,
fun times, right, U huh? Okay, I think are we
done done this? I think we're done done, We're done? Okay,
all right, this has been a good episode. It's been fun.
Thanks for listening to the entire episode. We both appreciate
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