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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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New Day, New Beginning in English. Since my Croatian is
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(00:25):
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Speaker 2 (00:48):
Hey, Tamra, Hey everyone. My name is Lisa Orbn. I'm
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Speaker 2 (01:16):
Lisa, absolutely, tamor. This is a conversation and a dissertation.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Exactly, no scene by saying breakdowns here we jump around
and of course huge boiler alert for everything every show
in this world, yesterday's episode. And if you're good with that,
this is the place for you and we should just
get to it.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Okay, what'd you think Meagan's redemption arc is over?

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Look? What did I say? I said, this man has
no business being in charge of people.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
And I agreed with you, you did.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
It's not a good look. It's not a good sign.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
It's gonna go badly, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
And so and he seemed like he was on a
fairly decent trajectory, you know, to try and say on
the good side of things. You know, he wasn't going
back to the dark side. I don't know. He banged
his head and he scrambled his brain.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Well, you know, he got a little desperate, and you
would think that after he had his little you know,
I guess imaginary encounters, maybe he would have felt better
about things instead of feeling like he did things wrong before.
I don't know. That was the opposite of what I
expected him to act like after that exactly.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
I mean, because he kept apologizing. He's like, I didn't
do enough. I didn't do enough. And I mean, his
wife had cancer. Even if the world had not gone
to hell, there's a good chance she wouldn't have made
it anyway, exactly, And the fact that he kept her

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alive as long as he did was just short of
a miracle. Honestly.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah, he did the best he could and she basically
well his He imagined that she told him that he
did exactly that.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
So you know, he got her up every day and
he got her her medicine and fed her and dressed
her and bathed her and took care of her. And
and that shows a lot of care because it's not
like anyone was watching.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
He could have walked away, he could have let her die,
he could have put her out of her misery, and
he didn't do any of those things. He tried. It's
just cancer is a bitch man, And you know, and
at the end of the world, it's gotta be worse.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Oh yeah, because all of the you know, the utilities
and the doctors and everything else that you would deal
with cancer with, they're all gone right or hard to
find well.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
And he even said, he's like, you know, do you
even know how to aspirate someone or was it aspirator
into Yeah, and he's like, I didn't know how. I
had to figure it out, you know. I mean the
fact that he.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
Did that, it's and this is so like, I don't
know what crossed my mind when I thought that, but
I thought of a game. I'm like, he's playing operation,
like he'll know what the hell he's doing. He's just
trying things. You know, I think this is what I
should do. It's not like he can look it up
on the internet, right.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
And you know, and yeah, and then he gets his
second chance and you know, his current wife and child
appear and he's like, I failed you too, and she's like,
you were there for you, were You've tried you. You know.
So each one of these manifestations was basically saying you

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did your best, right, and instead of taking away from that,
I'm still trying to do my best and I'm going
to continue to do my best, he would. I don't
know that's that what I took from this worse.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yeah, I don't know what that means exactly for everyone
that he already I guess has kind of accepted into
his you know circle. I guess i'll call it, you know,
like the historian. Yeah, well the historian. I think he'll
look out for him, you know. But I guess, is

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he still gonna be trying to be cool with Maggie?
Is he still gonna be looking out for her? Is
it just everyone?

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Like, you know, because he made the comedy he says,
you know, I in trying to protect my people because
I did. He says, I showed mercy. I only killed one. Well, gee,
that's awful, you know, nice of you there. But so
now is his take on that is to kill everyone

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like God's sort of out.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
That is the quickest way to get yourself. Uh, go
directly to jail, Do not collect one hundred dollars, seriously,
go straight to hell. Like you gotta be kidding me.
You cannot think you're just gonna kill everybody and you know,
brush your hands of it, like that's what needed to
be done. Like you've got to be kidding me after
all of this that you've gone through, this whole redemption attempt,

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that's what we're doing.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
I Yeah, he bangs, and you know, scrambled his brain,
and now he's like, I just wasn't the problem was.
I just wasn't bad enough.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Yeah, instead of let me be a good person, I
just need to be.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Worse, right, you know, because here's the thing, all right,
So everyone's fighting over this stuff, you know, the the methane.
H there's really absolutely no reason why Meagan couldn't just
grab the people that are in charge of making the
methane and relocating. He could literally just turn the building

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that's converting it right now into a bomb, getting rid
of everyone that's bothering him, and set up shop again, right.
I mean, that's the simple solution, you know. I'm just
saying that's the simple solution.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
Well, I don't know. I just so I guess he
assumes that Burger's people are coming.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
And because Maggie gave him the warning.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Yeah, and he maybe he thinks maybe even the the
land with it what is their name, I can't think
right now, Babylon. Maybe he thinks more of them are
coming as well. Maybe I don't know, I.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Mean, Babylon basically sent their people. They're all dead now.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
I think there's more of them, right, That's what it
seemed like. But that's a guest though. I don't really
know that.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
They sent fifty people. I mean, and there's probably more
back in Babylon. But who's even been able to give
a message back to him?

Speaker 1 (08:09):
Who knows? I don't know. So I guess maybe he
just plans to just kill all of the people that
are with Bruger and then maybe walk away. Maybe that's
what he means. Maybe he doesn't mean. I mean, but
just killing all those people is crazy.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
I mean, that's kind of what the plan was anyway.
But I and I gotta say, I've enjoyed watching his
Redemption arc. Oh yeah, I have, okay, And I was
hoping it was going to stick, you know. I kind
of wanted to see him essentially right off into the

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sunset with his wife and kid so to speak, or
even set even settle down there with his wife and kid.
And because I think if he had them there, he
could rule. He could rule justly, you know what I mean,
because he was kind of in charge of that group

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that Maggie found him in.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah, I don't know if I would say he was in.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Charge per se, but he did have sway.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah he did. I think that's just his natural personality
is to kind of want to be people to follow him, right,
But I don't. I still think even if by some
crazy chance he ends up not being a totally terrible
person at the end of this fight, he still should
never be in charge of.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
A group of people again, period.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Probably not.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
He just can flip bump on the head. I'm turned
bad again, right, and.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
We are.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
I'm going to take to flip the switch back.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
I don't know. And he's got what's name the girl,
Elizabeth is her.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
Name, Jenny, Jenny, thank you?

Speaker 2 (10:08):
And you know, he's got her hooked up to the
machine and they've gotten her meds of some kind and
whatever else he found at the hospital. I don't know
what all he found, but and there's a decent chance
she may survive, because really, all that's wrong with her
is she has an infection.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
Right, so.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Clean the wound, you know, keep her cool, that kind
of stuff, and it should there's a good chance she'll
be okay because it didn't even really it didn't go through,
it just went it crossed it's just she let it fester.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
I could see her living as well, unless something off
the chain happens and she ends up dying as a
result of fighting or something like that.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
And that I could see.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
Yeah, although it wouldn't surprise me entirely if she does
wake up to the end of that finale, right.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Same, I think she's just gonna sleep away the next
episode until the very end, uh huh. And yeah, And
I gotta say, you know, the previous for last week
really misdirected on what was going on between the crow
At and Maggie.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yeah you said that? Would you say that he had
he had herschel? Yeah what you thought?

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah, well, the way they did the the scene cuts,
that's what it appeared, right, And instead he took her
on this long winding journey to basically throw him off
a building.

Speaker 4 (11:43):
Which was just ridiculous, stupid, What a waste I would
I mean, I understand she was upset, but I don't
know how I would have reacted.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
I'm out here looking for my child, and you wasted
my time right on this little journey of yours.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
And I was kind of curious what was going on
with Maggie. I mean, okay, She probably is tired, because
I don't think she slept for at least twenty four hours,
because she she'd only just laid down when herschel you know,
crept out of the room and then the whole bear
thing and then she went looking for him and YadA, YadA.

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So I don't think she's actually slept, right. But the
way that she was acting, getting all dizzy and out
of source, I thought did he drug her?

Speaker 1 (12:34):
You know? At first I thought that too, and then
I thought, well, maybe it is from lack of sleep,
and she's just kind of delirious. Yeah, And then you know,
when she got like I guess she feigted basically, and
then she woke up in that office with him, right,
So I'm thinking maybe she just had to sleep, she
had to force herself to sleep. I guess, right, her body,

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you know, the body will put you down if you
don't do what you need to do.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
And I've never seen her act to heights that way before.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Now, I was listening to someone, and I wish I
was paying attention to the channel, but they were saying
that they had showed her being fearful of heights on
The Walking Dead at some point, and I don't remember it.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
I don't really recall it either. I mean, I've seen
her up on height, I mean, not that high, you know,
but we've seen her up, you know, in taller buildings.
We've seen her look down from a perch. And maybe
it's just because it was so high.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Yeah, maybe.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
And yeah, I guess there is a difference between like
three stories and twenty.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Well, I mean, while they're in New York on the
top of the buildings looking down, right, so they're not
necessarily on three story buildings. I'm guessing.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Well, what I'm saying, we've seen her in at least
three story buildings before, that is what I'm saying, So
I guess there is a difference between that and twenty
story buildings. But yeah, you know, when she was on
that stairwell looking down, and it's like, you know, it's
not the fear of falling as much as it is
the you know, the fear of throwing yourself off because
the draw of it.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
Kreta says on the zip line. Oh, last season so
last season season one?

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Oh that's right. Yeah, Okay, I'm gonna say I'm not
really afraid of heights, but I don't think I would
have wanted to go across a zip line either.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Yeah, I remember, like exactly was that the same zip
line that was Indivergent? Do you remember Divergent that movie?
Was that the same zip line? I have no idea,
like it went through the buildings. I don't know. I
need to go back, and no, I'm not doing it.
I'm not going back and rewatching. I'll just take your
word for it. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
Yeah, I do remember the zipline. It's when they met
the people that were going, you know, building to buildings.
They wouldn't have to go on the ground. Yeah, yeah,
And I do remember the zip line, and I do
remember her being nervous about it.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
Right.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
But again, I I don't really have a fear of
hYP but I probably would go. I would probably have
felt very much the same way.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
You know, I'm not gonna lie walking across something like
that where you could just fall to your death in
its glass. I think anyone would be nerve, very nervous
about doing it, right Yea, But for that matter, I
think I would have tried to go fast, not slow,
just like get it over with, like run across. That's

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I think my instinct will be hurry up. Get across,
don't you know, bus around in the middle like you
have nowhere to go. I just and I understand she froze,
but my instinct would be the opposite of what her
instinct was.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Well, and the crow at he knew that she was nervous.
He honestly he should have taken her by the hand, Yeah,
instead of leaving her behind. Then again, she never should
have looked down. If she was afraid of height, she
should have just looked straightforward.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
That's like rule number one.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Don't look down, right, don't look down. Yeah, looked straight ahead,
one foot in front of the other and just keep going.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yeah. That was a crazy scene. And then when the
walkers came out, I said, oh, no, here we go.
We know what's going to happen.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yeah, Although when they finally got to the other building,
she's like, this isn't a safe house, right, yeah, this
is you know, what is going on here? And he's
you know, and then she figures it out that he
was basically just using her mm hmm, and then she,
you know, leans about a window. I'm like, well, I

(16:36):
ain't good for anybody.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
So Okay, when I was watching that scene, I said, wow,
she's really strong because he was just he was far
out the window, like out out the window. Yeah, and
she seemed like she wasn't having any kind of difficulty
at all. I she didn't look like that was hard.

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And I'm very confused by that. Well, you know, he's
not a child, he's a grown man. And you were
using one arm because you were holding on with the other.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Right. Again, adrenaline can help out with that, but yeah,
I was kind of surprised by that too.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
I'm like, okay, girl, you bet, girl.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
I'll take it. I guess I'll just roll with it, right,
so spent it of disbelief. I guess I'll just try
to roll with it.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
Well. And the crow I had talked about his mother before,
but he'd always kind of talked about her being in
the present tense as hard as he knew. And then
we find out that she had abandoned him, and he
did find her, but not till it was too late. Yeah,
And he'd even up until he made that admission, had said,

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maybe I'll get on a boat and go go see
if I can find her. And I suppose he could.
He could fire her grave, you know, but could that
be about it?

Speaker 1 (17:58):
I don't know. I don't know if he'll make it
out of this season.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
I don't think. I mean, I think, honestly, I think
that's the last week we'll see him.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
You think, So I feel like we'll see him one
more time. Maybe we'll see him next episode, I think,
And it will be when he dies.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
Maybe, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Just the finality of the scene where you know, he
shook her hand and said no, this is for you
and walked away, I'm like, Okay, I guess that's it.
That's his exit.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
Maybe I don't know. I guess we'll have to see.
Because it's hard to tell what direction the show is
going on. It's really hard to tell. I just know
if someone has to die, we know that it's not
going to be Meagan, It's not going to be Maggie.
They have the strongest plot armor ever.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Right so for regular showed, Yeah they had the strongest.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
Yeah they had the absolutely strongest, but you know they
have second strongest. I guess.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
So I don't know, but I know someone's got to
die someone, Okay, I still now Okay, now that we
know that Crazy Lady is still alive, the DAMA and
I'm calling her crazy lady, because dude, she looked like
something out of a horror film.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah, and I'm like, well, and then I'm wondering who
was the person there at the bottom of everything.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
I guess she found somebody and threw a body over there.
Maybe it was a walker body.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Maybe. But now I'm beginning to I mean, the way
the crow Hat's been acting, I'm assuming that he thinks
she's dead.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Oh yeah, he does think she's dead for sure.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
So yeah, this is a surprise that you know, but
apparently you know Herschel knew where to go.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
He did a little bugger.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
But I do still think that she is going to
die this year. And I go back to my original
statement that Maggie is going to kill her.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
I'll back yep on that one. I think you're right.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah, now this makes more sense than that other death.
I'm like, what And when that happened, I'm like, well,
we didn't actually see her die. We said that, but
then we saw a body and we just assumed, Well,
I guess it was.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
And Herschel's reaction to Maggie was really odd.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
It was. It was very brainwashy, wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
It was, Oh, good, you're here, you know, and he
looked excited. You're just in time.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
Yeah yeah, those very children of the corn like feeling.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
And then he lets the doma like knock his mother out.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
You're gonna let that woman attack your mom? Oh my god.
He needs to go straight to jail or he needs
to go to some deprogramming camp or some shit. I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
But we did find out about the toe, Yes we did.
You know, he voluntarily gave it up. This was he
did this willingly.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
And we kind of played him around with hypothesizing why
he would give it up. Because if he's believing her
and she's like, hey, I need your help. Hey, we're
going to do this together. I need one little thing
from you. Can you do it? Of course he's going
to do it, right. That's wild. I don't know what

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kind of cause it would take for me to let
someone cut off a toe.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
I don't know. A lot of kulis had to be involved.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
Yeah, you only a child because he's so gullible.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
I you know, I will back you up on that one.
But here's the thing. There are a lot of gullible people.
And you know how I know this because there are
a lot of cults where a lot of people have died,
and they died with a smile on their face because they.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
Believed their leader true.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
You know, and you know, grown adults, people that are
supposed to know no better.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
Honestly, I don't understand how she had so much influence
and how she was able to talk people into things
like that, because I don't think she's that charismatic. She's weird.
Her character is weird, and I would think people would
be looking at her like she's missing a few marbles.

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But we'll go along because she's got the resources, not
like she's actually going to convince people to do stuff, right.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
But the crow app was also saying that she was
very she was very good at finding out what it
is that people needed and then provided what they needed. Yeah,
and let's face it, there are a lot of emotionally
damaged people running around right now.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
That's a fact.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
So and it. You know, he's a child who was
who has been damaged beyond recognition in a lot of ways.
And I do think he actually does love his mom.
Don't get me wrong. I think he does, but I
don't think he is. Yeah, he is definitely the damas

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at this point.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Yeah, I don't know. I think Herschel seeing her be
killed is the only thing that will maybe allow him
to go back home, right, and I think he'll probably
do it kicking and screaming.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Yeah, And honestly, I don't think they should go back
to the bricks, no matter how this plays out, I
don't think they should go back there. I don't think
they should go back to anywhere in the battle on territory.
There's no reason for him too, right, And because who
does Maggie really have there other than Herschel and herschel

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is with her?

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Well, yeah, no one that they shown us.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Right right there. There wasn't anyone that stood up with her.
There wasn't. You really didn't see her hanging out with anyone.
You didn't see any deep conversations with anyone other than
Herschel and n and and Jenny was not all about it. So,

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you know, the honestly, as far as I could see,
the close, the closest relationship she had with anyone back
there was pearly and it wasn't you know that's weird. Well,
and it was just because they had a mutual secret.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
Right, That's it.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
That was it. That was that weren't friends, right, So yeah,
I mean she I don't oh, I mean, yes, it
is her community, per se. But it's not like she
can't go find another community. It's not like she can't
go back to Alexandria, right, you know, it's she could

(25:00):
go back to one of the other community. She could
go find a new community. Yeah, but as far as
I can tell, there's really no good reason for them
to stay at the Bricks.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
I agree with that. I'm kind of curious how they'll
end things this season. I don't really have any guesses. Unfortunately,
I don't know. I just if I were to try,
I think I don't know. She could stay. She could stay,
she could especially at hershal It's like, I don't want

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to go back there, right then she has no reason
to force him. And then, of course Jenny is still there,
and should she live through the episode, she'll probably want
to hang around for her probably.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
I mean, really, that city is no worse than a
lot of other places that she could go to, right
I mean, truthfully speaking, So yeah, like I said, I mean,
I know the main reason she wants to get out
of there and go back to the Bricks is just
to get away she wants to get herschel out of

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whatever is going on in the city. But then again,
it's not like it's any safer back at the Bricks.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
Well especially not with like New Babylon types running around
trying to make people join an army and pay taxes
or whatever they're making them do.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Right, So the anarchy there and you know, in New
York is probably a better fit for.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
Anyway, well at least for her temper maybe.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, I mean I
could I mean, I could see Maggie just going, okay,
well just I'll just take over this group here that
Megan's with. I can see you're doing it. But yeah,
like I said, I don't her going back to the

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Bricks just makes zero sense to me. It's she calls
it home, but is it really home.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
It's a temporary home.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yeah, because I don't really think since since Hilltop, I
don't think Maggie's actually had a home. She's had places
that she's stayed, she's had places that she has some
affinity to, but I don't think she's ever found at home.
And I'm not even saying New York would be home.

(27:27):
But I'm you know it is a place that she
can have some affinity to.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
Yeah, maybe, I don't know. I wouldn't hate it, I think.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
And I'm not saying I want the domin to live
because that that crazy woman has got to go.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
She needs to die. I'm so sick of her like
as a character.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Right, But I mean if herschel was adamant, No, I
want to say, I can see what the city could
be and I want to be a part of it.
I could see Maggi, you.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Know, saying Okay, we'll stay.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
Yeah, she totally I don't know, has no control over
herschel at all. So she's going to just, I don't know,
go along with whatever he wants to keep him from
running away from her. Yeah, which is really unfortunate.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Yep, you because he's really the only thing she cares about.
And if he's gone, what does Maggie have.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Oh, she's just gonna be awful. I mean, she has
nothing really, so she'll concede to whatever he wants.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Yep. I mean at this point in time, technically Maggie
has less than Meagan, does.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
You know?

Speaker 1 (28:51):
Well yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yeah, She's pushed everyone else away except for Herschel.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
And I guess she did kind of push him away.
Even though she tried to like fix that relationship, it
just didn't work.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah, it's very.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Awkward because how long he's been away from the Dama
that time that she had to rebuild that relationship with him,
How could that have meant nothing?

Speaker 2 (29:22):
And again, I mean Herschel has concern for his bomb.
He freaked out when he thought she was going to die.
He weirdly looked happy that she was there, although again
it had that creepy children of the Corn feel to it.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Yeah, I mean, yes, I guess he was happy she
was there, but only to join their mission.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
And if he knows his mother at all, she's gonna
be like, what kind of looney tune shit is going
on here?

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Exactly? Yeah. So yeah, it's yeah, it's a bad situation
all around.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
I am going to say, uh, just want one note
on the Nigan side, him walking through that pediatric board.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
Oh man, oh dude.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
And I was looking at the at the kids. Were
they just because I couldn't see it very well. Were
they just like in like a sleep mode or were
they changed up?

Speaker 1 (30:26):
They were like sleeping walkers? And I saw someone else
make a reference to sleeping walkers before, but I don't
really remember where we saw them, but apparently that was
also in the Walking Dead later seasons.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
I hadn't we haven't seen it before where they just
kind of go into like a statis because there's no
interaction with anything. But it did seem kind of weird
because there were other active walkers going through the building.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
But maybe they don't count, you know, I don't know,
maybe the kids were different, or because they were kind
of sealed off in their own ward.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Maybe, you know. I just and and I'm not going
to say that those little kids couldn't be just as
dangerous as adults.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
That was just creepy, though, Yeah, you know, honestly, when
he saw the first one and he said, oh, he's
going to try to just leave it, and then he
backs out, and I'm like, how in the hell do
you fall and bump your head like that? Like? Right,
what the that just did not seem possible to me.
You're so this character is so aware and you know,

(31:39):
capable like to have that kind of stupid accident.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Well, and I was even starting to kind of wonder
because he kept hearing them, We kept hearing that ring,
you know, and he kept shaking his head and kind
of rubbing his head, and I was like, I wonder
if is he still laying on the floor and this
is all just you know, delirium. And that's why I
kind of wondered for a little bit there because I'm
like with all those the sleeping kid walkers and stuff

(32:08):
like that, I'm like, this is almost this is And
then you saw like the running figure in the back,
I'm like, this is a little surreal.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
So is that not a real person he was running against?
Because when he tackled the person, looked in the bag,
it was empty. Then all he saw was you know,
his deceased wife, Lucille and then his current wife.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Yeah. Like I said, that whole thing was very surreal.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
So was there actually no person running?

Speaker 2 (32:39):
I don't know. And if there was a person, there
was a person running, what did they think was going on?

Speaker 1 (32:46):
I don't know because Okay, so he grabbed the person
supposedly turned them over and it was Lucille. So if
that was a real person, are they just standing there
like wtf is happening?

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Right?

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Is that whole thing just made up? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
I'm gonna go with it this point made up. Yeah,
because when he looked you know, when he heard the whistle,
he looked up, you know, to the balcony and saw
I think that was supposed to be uh, what's your name, Jenny,
and then looked again, disappeared, looked down and there was

(33:24):
no bag, There was no person, there.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Was no anything, right, Yeah, because I think they tried
to trick us, because before, even before that, I saw
a person kind of take and we're like, oh, I'm thinking, oh,
who is that? What are they doing? So Megan's character
did not see them at that point.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Right, So I'm there's also the possibility that there was
somebody there, but when Meaghan went off in his own
little fantasy world, they just scrambled away. But yeah, so
I don't know. That whole thing was very surreal.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
Yeah, it was very strange, very strange, and I don't
know if I liked it or.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Not well, And it was kind of a you know,
Nigga's always been a very careful person, and that he
hurt himself in this manner in this way seems a
little unlike him. M M. And the fact that you know,
the whole conversation, through all of the people that manifested themselves.

(34:33):
Was I failed you, you know, and what he took
from it was is I was not mean enough. Seems
a little weird.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Yeah, so he has that stumble, right, and then I
think the scene toward the I guess a couple of
scenes later, he's in that word with all of the
sleeper walkers and he almost turns around and bumps into one,
but he stops himself right, perfect balanced. No, nothing happens. Again,

(35:01):
that seems really odd. You're mister not paying attention, you
accidentally fall bang your head, but now you have perfect
balance and you're not bumping into any walkers. It's totally fine.
I guess again, not exactly, you know, the second version
of the second part of that was more like Megan's character,
not the first part where.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
He stumbles like that exactly.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Honestly, I thought he might have actually tried to kill
the kid walker, like just to stop him from being noisy,
you know, whatever it was, to just silence it. But
he didn't. Instead he fell, and I don't know, I
have stopped trying to make sense of things because they
never make.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
Sense, right, Because the.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
The reasonable thing to do in that situation would have
been to kill the walker m and I realized it's
still a child, but it's not a child anymore.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Right, the child's gone.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
The child's gone. You know, we've had we've seen people
on this show trying to keep pet children walkers and
it has not been gone well for them. So so yeah,
I mean, that's what he should have done instead of whatever.
But it still seems I don't know. I want to

(36:22):
see how this ends, because I really have I have
no clue how any of this is going to end,
because at this point, it's all over the place.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
You know. Yeah, Well, I still I still feel like
there's a chance we might see Annie, yeah, and Joshua,
like for real and not some kind of vision. I
still feel they could be lingering around there and not gone.
But if they are gone, that I still feel like

(36:56):
that was like a total missed opportunity.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
We'll see if we see him next episode.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
That actually might be a good option if you want
to really make Megan go bad, have her still be
around and somehow she dies in the next episode. Yeah,
that'll really make him go crazy. Oh yeah, he'll spiral
into madness. Yes he will, and he's gonna it's gonna
take a lot to pull him out of it. So

(37:32):
if you really want to make him go bad again,
that's the quickest way, right.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
And I was, I'm gonna be real truthful here, I
was really hoping they wouldn't do this. I was, you know,
I mean, he had all this care for Jenny and
wants her to get to be better, and you know
you can hear him struggling with what's going on and

(37:59):
then just to have and go Nope, that's it. Just
I was way too merciful, dude. There was no mercy
in anything you were doing before, you know.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
And you know, let us again this. They want us
to forget how bad he was. He did more than
just kill a few people. He was a nasty human. Yeah,
The stuff he was doing to people was outrageous, yes,

(38:29):
And they just want us all to forget it because
it's Jeffreydine.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
Morgan, right.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
And I do love him as an actor, yes.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
Exactly, but that's what they want. They want us to
feel bad for him and as a character, right, and
just feel like they want us to, I guess, just
be on his team. They want us to root for
him and all these things as a villain, as a

(39:00):
as a non villain, as a hero, and a villain.
They don't care.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
You know what, I'm really hoping they don't do. And
I'm this is what I'm afraid they're going to do.
They're gonna set this up to have Nega go bad
again and then put him and Maggie on our opposite
ends to duke it out again in another season. And
I don't want to see that.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
That's gonna be so wasteful of everyone's time to have
to watch them fight it out again.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Yeah, we've already had that. We've been that a couple
different times, and I don't I don't want them to
do that. And I'm kind of afraid that they're gonna
do that. They're gonna make him the big bad for
next season if there is another season, and I don't
want that.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
I don't want that either, because it took a long
time for me to even tolerate that character, right, I know.
And if they turn him back, I'm gonna be like,
y'all wasting my time, you waste you play with my
emotions and now I'm mad, like I'll never forget what

(40:08):
kind of character he was, but I was willing to
see what this could become. But if they just turn
the clock back just like that, it's gonna feel like
such a waste to me.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Yeah, Meagan two point zero.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
Right, I'm not a fan. I know there are fans
that want to see him swinging the bat acting crazy.
I'm not one of them.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
I'm not either. I mean, if you want a big
bad for next season, make Brugal the bad guy. He'd
make a good bad guy.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Although he's kind of cartoonist to me.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
He is, but he could be the you know, he
could be the next big bad we don't you know?
I would prefer him over Nagan.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
Yeah, you know, he feels like a Disney feeling. Yeah,
but you know they can amp it up and make
him worse. They better do something. Do not play with
us and Nigan. That is like, if you're going to
put us through all this, at least follow through. And

(41:15):
I don't know. I guess it's possible he could turn
bad for one episode, get the job done, and then
revert back. But I doubt it, right, I doubt it.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
And here's the thing, aside from Jenny being there, he
doesn't owe these people anything right, he literally owes them zero.
He could have just left.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
He really didn't even have connections with many people. So
he had the connection, you know with Benjamin, right, he
had the connection. I guess he had a new connection
with the people who helped him figure out what hospital
to go to. R Yes, he might feel like he
owes them something. But other than that, between other than

(42:06):
the Doma and the crow At, you know, there was
nobody that he had a connection to other than that
violin player that they killed exactly. So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Yeah, I mean, again, he doesn't owe these people anything. Yeah,
he didn't have to stay. He didn't. You know, he
could have just he could have stashed up you know,
Annie and his son and just ran away.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
He could have.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
He should have, That's what he should have done.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
But then it would have been the end of the show,
I know, and honestly it might need to be. So
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Yeah, I mean, I'm not saying we give them all
a happily ever after ending, but we could give him
a decent ending like we did with The Walking Dead.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
Yeah, I don't know. I guess we got to see
because I'm just really not happy with how they're giving
nakedness treatment again.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Me too. You know we've been there. You know, we've
seen the bad Megan and you know, we even saw
him playing the role of Megan when he went back
but when Carol let him go to go try and
infiltrate the whispers. But yeah, so we don't need to

(43:24):
do this again.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
No, we do not, we do not, speaking of I
do want to talk about a little bit of stuff
I saw. Karina had sent me a few things from
social media about how the fans were reacting to all
of this, and some of it was pretty dreadful, as
we would expect as of some t w DU fans.

(43:50):
I don't know why they have this subset of like
really nasty acting people in this It's dreadful. It's not good.
But before we do that, let's do a little happy thing.
I guess, you know they I guess. Jeffrey Dean Morgan
talked about how his wife was on the set the
same day, so that's fun. That was a little cute

(44:13):
picture that he took with Hillary and the woman that
plays Annie.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Yes he was. When they the after show things like yeah,
it's a great day. My two wives are both on set.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
The real one and the pretend. Yeah that's cute. I
think that's fun. You know, that's fun for them.

Speaker 4 (44:34):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
I did like that, yes, yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
But then on the flip side, people are talking trash
about the poor kid, about Joshua. I guess they don't
like inter race child. They're using the N word and
other things.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Well, then I.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Don't understand, like why are we doing this? I don't understand,
Like that kid is cute, dude, that is he was adorable.
That kid is cute, and yes they had his parents
in a race inter racial, so what like we grow
up like what is this?

Speaker 2 (45:14):
I it's not like it's the first one on the
series either.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
When they pointed that out, they were sure to point
out how displeased they were with all of the you know,
interracial children, when exactly, I don't get it. I don't
get it, like that kind of stuff like upsets me
so bad. It makes me mad that these are the

(45:43):
people that are watching the show. I really hope that
that's the minority.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Yeah, well, I have noticed that nasty people tend to
be the loudest. It's not that they're the most it's
just that they because they they want to be heard,
so bad. They're just awful.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Well, they all need to sit down and shut up.
No one cares, right, I don't know. I don't know
because we're not done with seeing this child. I don't
think they're just gonna ship them off right and never
see this kid again. Because we've heard them talking about
using the other kids, you know, in another spinoff right right,

(46:26):
so anything could happen if they time jumped and everyone
caught up with each other. We could see our Ja
and Judith in Herschel, and you know, Joshua and even right,
we can see him. They're sending his ass back right right,
and Grace and Grace. Yeah, you can see all of them.

(46:49):
And I don't know, leave these kids alone. Leave the
kids alone. It should be like how it is on
the Hot Real Housewives. Kids are off limits. Stop talking
about the kids.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
I've never watched an episode of the Real house Oh.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
My god, people get I rate when you bring up
their kids. I mean, that's fair, especially in a nasty
way like that. Now, I don't think me colin Herschel
a brat counts. That's different.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Well, so, I mean it's we've talked about like r
J would drive is crazy because he was kind of
a terrible actor, and they gave him terrible lines too,
But you know, I mean, no, there's yeah, the only

(47:39):
reason they're upset with the character is because the character
is by Rachel. I really think that they need to
reassess their lives a little bit and figure out why
they're that basic.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
I mean, honestly, it's nothing surprises me anymore, but it
still pisses me off. I'm like, can't we just watch TV?
Can't we just watch a show and like have commentary
on the show without that nastiness? Like why are we
doing this?

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Right? Well, and we've known about I mean cause Megan
and Annie have been a thing for across two shows now, right,
you know, And wow, this is the first time that
we've actually seen their son. You know, she was pregnant
the last time.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
We saw her she was, and I don't think they
liked her being with him.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Yeah, you know, But I mean it's not like this
is just a sudden thing. Oh you mean to tell
me she's been black this whole time.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
I mean, like, seriously, oh my gosh. It's a mess.
It's a mess. But that's the thing, Like some of
the fans of this show, they've always been a little kookie,
you know, the people who are always like trying to
get Darryl and Carroll together, and Maggie and Megan and
now Maggie and Negan like stop this, stop this crazy,

(48:58):
let's get off the crazy train, right And some of these.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Matches they work for these people are just ew.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Yeah, very ew. Like if I had advice for all
these people making these gross recommendations, why don't you go
pick up a dark romance or something. If you need
like your kink or you need something a little off,
go pick up a dark romance and leave these characters out.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Of it, right exactly. I mean there are shows out
there for you.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
It's just not this one, right, Stop trying to turn
it into something that it's not.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Exactly. So what do you think? Are we done?

Speaker 1 (49:41):
I feel like I'm done?

Speaker 2 (49:42):
All right.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
This was a very basic episode. You know, we had
two storylines going on, but there wasn't a whole lot
to it. It was pretty straightforward.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
Yeah, I mean, you know, there was you know, watching
Maggie follow the crow at through the fun house. I
suppose you could call it mm hmm, but you know,
and I guess the funhouse over on meaganside too. They
guess they both walk through their own personal funhouses.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
They sure did.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
But and I'm like, you know what, if these two
were any other characters, they'd be dead exactly.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Gotta love that plot, armor, I know, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
But yeah, I mean, there wasn't a lot to say
about these episodes other than, you know, basically what we covered.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
Yeah, I agree, Okay, so I think well in things there,
it's been a really good conversation. We thank you for
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who listened live special thanks to you, and thanks to
Krina for commenting and sending me that stuff from X
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