The Walking Dead: Dead City S2 E8 | TWDU - The Recap! The Walking Dead Universe

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, what is up? Everyone?

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Welcome back to the recap of the Walking Dead Universe.
We are here live every week during the show season
to discuss the latest episode. Today we are covering TWD
Dead City Season two, episode eight, the season finale, If
History were a conflagration. I'm your host Tamara, and I
am glad you've joined us for today's episode. A special
thank you to everyone joining us live tonight and taking

(00:28):
time out of your evening.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
To be here.

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Speaker 3 (00:46):
Hey everyone. My name is Lisa Orban. I am an author.
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Speaker 2 (00:53):
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Speaker 3 (01:12):
Absolutely, Tamor this is a conversation and a dissertation.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Exactly, no scene by scene breakdowns here. We jump around
and of course huge spoiler alert for everything every show
in this world through yesterday's episode. So if you are
good with that, this is the place for you, and
we should just get to it. There are things to
talk about.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
Yes, you know, I should. I should note this. I
don't know if you guys out there know this or
not that Tamar and I absolutely do not discuss these
shows before we come on air.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
No, we don't.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
So we have no idea what the other person is
going to think or say about the show. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
I love that we have like really fresh, uninfluenced opinions. Yes,
because we talked before, we might change our minds on things, right.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
And so I mean we do talk before the show.
Is just never about the show, right exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Actually, I'm seeing some people talking about Darryl Dixon already.
Did you see the new The updated date is September seventh?

Speaker 3 (02:17):
No, actually, the the Uh, they had what do you
call a little previews for right before the Walking day
and sitting right after, but it just said coming this fall.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Oh no, I guess it's been official. It's now September seventh,
which is way earlier than we originally thought.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Yeah, we were created. It's gonna be out in November.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah, so that's good, so we don't have too much
of a break be before before we start Darald Dixon again.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
I guess we'll see how that goes.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah, hopefully that finale is better than this one.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Okay, let's talk about this one.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Okay, all right, jump on in Tamra. I can feel
that you want to say things.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Okay, so I do.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
But first I kind of just want to make a
blanket statement about this season. Two things about the season. First,
I did not like any of the titling for any episode.
I'm like, what the I don't like it. I don't
know what they were doing this season. It just didn't
work for me.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Second, this whole.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Season was a whole bunch of wtf is going on?
And I really did not like that. And you know,
we had made some guesses for the finale and we
were kind of right.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
A little bit, I guess. I guess.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
So while I was watching the finale, you know, I
thought it was fine enough, but I kept questioning things.
I couldn't turn my brain off. And then when it
was over, I'm like, really, but that's kind of what
I did at the end.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
Well, it's okay. So we've kind of talked about New Babylon.
Were they going to send more people?

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Oh? They send them, and.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
They sent them. Now my question is is why did
they send fifty pretty much unsoldiery people into this city
and they sent I guess they're actual soldiers, but they
don't have any recon as far as I can tell.
No one's gotten back with them about what's going on.

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To the best of my knowledge, they have no more
insight than they did when they started.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Fact, what's the point? Fact?

Speaker 2 (04:36):
So, okay, when they first came over, or remember, we
were trying to say, well, how many of them are there?
We were trying to figure out how many were left behind,
you know, because we're like, they wouldn't have sent everyone.
So who did they leave behind? They left the main
person in charge of the army. You know, they came
and they died, So who's left I guess maybe more generals,

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more higher battalion.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
I don't know. But again, and these guys have I mean,
I'm not gonna call it uniforms. They didn't really look
like uniforms, but they looked similarly dressed, and they were
walking a little more in lockstep m hm. A crowd
or a mob. So I'm gonna say this was probably

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one of their trained battalions or trained soldiers.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Were the ones that joined voluntarily?

Speaker 3 (05:32):
Maybe yeah, But to which my question is, why didn't
they send these guys first?

Speaker 2 (05:38):
It was like they wanted to send the conscripted people,
like the people who didn't want to be there. Why
would they That's like, why would you send your B
team to do recon right?

Speaker 1 (05:52):
And but you sent them along with the leader.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
That makes no sense, right, Militarily, what they did doesn't
make any sense because if they were going for stealth,
they failed miserably, right, I mean, I guess their arrival
did cause some destabilization, true enough, But I don't know.

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I don't I'm sure there's a plan. Maybe I don't know.
It just that's always really you know, and for you
and I both, it's bothered us both. Why this? How
many people are there? Did they really think that that
fifty untrained people were going to be able to both

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fight and then hold the methane? Right, And we still
have the issue of it's not the facility. I mean,
the facility is. It's conven that it's there, don't get
me wrong, but the facility itself is worthless. And let's
say have people who know how to use it.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yeah, well, I mean, maybe we'll actually hear some plans
from I guess the next bad guy who's in charge
of New Babylon. I guess, I guess, uh, because we
shouldn't get any plans. You know, we didn't know what
the hell they were doing other than looking for you know,
the fuel.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
That's it, right, Well, we knew, we knew. We didn't know.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
What Plan B was or they just gonna try to
take it back. Were they going to try to just
hold the location until more people came? How long before
they came? I'm assuming they had some kind of plan
and they just didn't show up just to show up.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
I don't know, right, And and again, to the best
of my knowledge, I mean, I guess some of the
people that were on the ship ended up maybe going
back to the shore and they went hey, we got
fire bombed. But that's all the information they could have
given them.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah, and it made it seem like everyone who was
on that initial boat was gone, right, the ones that yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
I mean there was a few that did wash up
to short, like the historian.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah, like outside of that little group of people, there
was no one left to even went back.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
So I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
Yeah, to the best of my knowledge, there's no radio.
I mean, I guess there could have been, but I
don't know who would have had it. It would have
It seems to me that it would have been one
of the higher ups that had the radio. I guess
they could have left someone on the shore with binoculars.
I don't know, it doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
They're in the river. The river, so.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
But you know the way they came in there though
they were a purpose. Yeah, they just said we're coming
in here, we're just killing people. Well before we even
ask questions, which I'm surprised that, you know, he even
bothered to ask Benjamin a question. Right, He's like, who
you with Basically, He's like he was smart enough to
say New Babylon, thank goodness, right, But that other lady

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just got murdered for really fast before she could even say.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Boo, Well, it could be that she ran at him.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Well maybe maybe.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
I don't know and he I mean, let's face it,
Benjamin does look pretty helpless.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
And he does. He seems like he wouldn't do anything.
But so, I mean, well, that's good. I'm kind of
happy he made it out of the season. Maybe they
might surprise us with him. They plan on using him
in an interesting way next season.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
I mean, we can always hope. Yeah, although he did
basically swear to be Meagan's ride or die, well maybe
not for the fighting part, but the other stuff, you know,
but he was quick to give that up.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Well maybe he could be a spy. Yeah, you'd be
a good spy. He's so a assuming he is, and.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
Him writing things down and taking notes of things wouldn't
be out of character.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
So mm hmm hmm.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Well, I'm curious to see what they do with that,
because I didn't expect that. I kind of thought New
Babylon would play. If they were going to show up,
they would have shown up earlier, and I thought there
may be some kind of fight with.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
Them or something.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
But they weren't in it at all until the end
basically right now.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
I will say I guess as far as the fifty counscripts,
they did destabilize the three major powers on the island. Yeah,
so there is that if if they hadn't have shown up,
they may not have well, you know, did what they did.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
Well, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
I'm kind of curious to see how since they're coming
in there now, guns are blazing, just you know, just
taking prisoners and all this kind of stuff. I'm curious
to see. Are they gonna have to send out scouts
to figure out what the heck.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Is going on?

Speaker 3 (11:08):
You know?

Speaker 2 (11:08):
That seems strange like they're just gonna come in there
and try to take stuff over it. They don't know
where anything is, They don't know what's what, They have
no clue what's going on.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
Yeah, they don't know what happened to their people, I think,
I mean maybe for them the you know, because they
were conscripts, these were throwaway people. They had no intentions
of them coming back alive.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Maybe I'm sure Benjamin will fill them in, you know. Well,
I don't know, we'll see.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
That was kind of lackluster though, but I guess they're
setting up for next season m which is gonna be
interesting because we also have you know, someone else I
was hoping would die this episode, and they did not,
and that was the Dama. You know, I was hoping
she would be gone, but she's not. But we kind

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of guessed that herschel's ass would stay in New York
and that would be you know, his mom's reasons to
say stay Maggie would not leave him, and that's what happened.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
Well, and I kind of thought it was a little
bit interesting, the Domin and Maggie together, uh huh. And
and the Dama is using all of her manipulations that
she uses. Oh she used on the croat that she
tried on Meagan that she used successfully, you know with herschel,

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and Maggie's just looking at her like, okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Yeah, but she was gonna do it.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
She was.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
I mean, I feel like she kind of got under
her skin a little bit. But with sealed the deal
was when herschel came in basically demanding that she do it, right.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
I don't think it was the Doma as much as
it was Herschel saying we need this for us to
move on, and she's and she went, well, now, yeah,
you know, maybe you're right. I've just invested a lot
of time in this whole Nagan thing, and he's not wrong.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
No, he's you know.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
I I'm like, they can't, you know, they can't kill him.
And then she stabbed him. I'm like, huh, that's different.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Very different.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
That stab was ridiculous, and I'm like, well, if you're gonna, okay,
you're gonna do it, do it, you're gonna stab him,
stop and look all like crazy about it.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
Watch him drag himself.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
You know.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
It was a fiasco, even though I knew the whole
time obviously she's not gonna do anything, obviously, right, So
that whole thing was kind of disrespectful to me.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
We got those scenes and it did nothing because we
knew he wasn't going to be killed.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Right the whole time.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
I was listening to the the after interview, and I
guess that's the first time Maggie's ever swung his bat
or picked it up. So she was like, yeah, She's like,
you know, gotta tell you this prophet has some power.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
I'm sure it does. I'm sure it does, but I
don't know. I guess I didn't really care for that.
I would have rather, I don't know her got with
her son and being like, look, kid, I know that's
what you want, but that's not what's gonna happen, and
talk some sense to him, or like even have an
argument with him or have some more conflict with him

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in another way. But that does seem like almost a waste,
especially with everything else going on in the moment. It
was just like this extra thing that didn't need to
be there. Knowing she would not kill him, that's all.
If it was a real chance that maybe he might die, Okay, maybe,
but there never was.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
He's good. That plot armor is strong.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
Right well, and there may be a possibility that maybe
to Maggie is like, yeah, okay, I will do this.
I will do this rehearsal. I love my son. It
makes sense, and then we can move on from this
and I can get him back. But I really, honestly,
even if she killed Meagan, I don't think that would

(15:11):
solve her problems with either Herschel or the Dama.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
No, that's just the beginning, because the Dama wants Megan gone.
So she's really just thinking about her own interest, which
is why she was pushing Herschel to tell his mother that,
you know, she convinced him because if I remember correctly,
earlier this season, we were trying to decide if Herschel
actually wanted Megan dead, Like, how does he actually feel

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about that man?

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Right?

Speaker 3 (15:38):
And I know that in a lot of ways, the
relationship that he has had with Nagan is just as
complicated as a relationship that he's had with Maggie, right,
or that Maggie's had with Megan exactly, because there was
a period of time where he didn't hate Meagan, he

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didn't necessarily like him, but he kind of looked kind
of looked up to him. I guess maybe.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Even if I go that far, but I feel like,
I don't know, Nikka was helping them, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
So I think he just appreciate it that, you know,
they were able to work together. I guess, I don't know.
I don't think he say to him, but he definitely.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
He's definitely had as complicated a relationship with me as
Maggie has for a lot of the same reasons.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
So.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
And then the Dima knew exactly what buttons to push,
just like she did the.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
First time around. When he went home and became a spy.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Basically, she knew exactly what to say to him. And
I think eventually he's going to figure it out. I
don't know if they're going to time jump it or
some thing where he's a little older, because he's still young.
He's malleable, malleable, you know, right. It might be easier
to just trick him right now, but eventually he's going

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to figure out that she's manipulating him eventually.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
But part of the reason that manipulation is working is
because a lot of the things she's saying align with
the things that he wants. And part of that was
is he really had no desire to be at the
bricks right, and he wanted he he wanted someone to
appreciate his abilities, his visions, you know, of what could be.

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M h and the Dama going, you're exactly what we need,
someone who doesn't remember the old world, someone who has
no ties to that experience, who can see the city
for what it could be. And I'm sure that makes
him because he's always been the you know, sit down

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herschel and be quiet person rather than oh you have
that's that's a good idea, you know what I mean?
So it definitely does stroke his ego to have her
put that much faith in him, so to speak.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
You know, I heard a theory that Herschell's going to
become a bad guy, and then I'm not totally against that.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
I can see that easily happening.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
Since he's so easily manipulated and so weak minded, I
could see him actually start to do bad things because
he thinks maybe that's the way because he's been told that.
I can see him doing that.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
The means justifying the ends. It's okay to kill these
couple of people because in the end, you know, X
and act will happen, and it in this world, that's
very much how things work.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
And it's not just the domin It wasn't just Nagan,
It's it's New Babylon, it's you know, the means justify
the ends. A lot of these communities, a lot of
the people that he's met with and interacted with, the
means justify the ends.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Honestly, all he has to do is just say why
not for me? Everyone else is doing it simple, you know,
case closed. This is just how things work, just like
you said, face closed. But then we have to deal
with you know how Maggie's gonna deal with her badass un.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
He's so ridiculous to me, I don't and just something
about his character it just grates on my nerves so bad.
Like we all know Maggie is not the mother of
the Year, right, we know this, but he has given
her zero slack, negative amount of slack, like he blames

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her for everything. And I don't really grasp that, like why.
I just wish we got a little bit more insight
on their relationship. I feel like they could have shown
us a little bit more to satisfy that.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
I just don't understand why he's so like this.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
I mean, we saw a little bit of it from
The Walking Dead, Yeah, and they were talking about all
the different places, all the different settlements that she had
taken him to, and all the issues and all the problems,
you know, because every place they went to something it
fell or something bad happened or whatever.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
But that also can just be this is just how
life is now.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Right, But and.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
She and then you go back to like Alexandria, where
she eventually took him, you know, and while things had
gotten momentarily bad, they did eventually get better again. And
instead of them going back to where it was good.
You know, she's kept him in a place like New Babylon,

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which is bad. So you know, I know he has
a lot of complicated feelings about Maggie, but he does
blame her for things that are both inside and outside
of her control.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
And the writing, and yes, like we said, two things
can be true. Right, he has complicated feelings. Some of
it is valid, some of it is not. But to me,
the writing just makes him seem more of a brat
than anything. Right. How that character has been expressing himself
is so bratty and stupid, like you are an idiot.

(21:44):
That's why I want to say this child like your child,
I understand, but I don't understand.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
Right, You're lucky you have a parent left. A lot
of kids do not exactly. And yes, Maggie is very damaged,
but she would also move heaven and earth to help him,
to save him, and he knows that that she would
do anything for him, and I'm sure he was banking
on that when he went in and said, Meigan's gonna die.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
How about give us a scene where after the dama
like clocked your mother, how about you yell at her
or something instead was like, oh, sorry, she's gonna do that?

Speaker 1 (22:22):
What like you're not even mad?

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Like like you said, this is your last freaking parent,
that's all you got. Nope, is she gonna knocked her
into a coma or something?

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Who knows?

Speaker 3 (22:36):
And he doesn't even have a backup parent, you know,
like Judith had or Grace.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
You know, he has like no emotion except for anger,
Like he doesn't even like why would he just not
be upset about how his mother was chained to that pipe?

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Right?

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Like, come on, you gotta be kidding me. What is
the dama saying to you? Were you I think this
is okay? That's crazy. See again, I'll have I don't
understand even if you don't agree with how your mother
is handling things and you want it more your way,
or even if you feel like she can't relate you know,
oh poor, but she doesn't understand me. Who wants to

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see their parents like locked up like that? That's crazy? Yeah,
that doesn't That does not jive at all to me.
That's what makes him even more bratty. Like you've got
to be kidding. Maybe she should leave him with her,
like deuces, I'll see you in a little bit. When
you grow up, I'm around because you're the worst.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Right well, And I will give Maggie props for this
with him, you know, when she went back and he
knew as soon as he saw her, he knew she
hadn't killed him.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
But you know, instead of trying to drag him out
of there or anything else, she just said, I'll stay here,
I'll be here if you need me. I'm not leaving
the island. I guess I'm gonna let you go and
do your own thing, but I'm here. So she's at
least not because up until this point she has been

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trying to drag him off anywhere. Yeah, and she finally
let go to say I'm not going to do that.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Anymore, right, which I think was the right move, even
though I do think it's a good good chance he'll
get worse before he gets better, right, and he'll be
running them up. And who knows what they're gonna set
up for next season, because so far it just seems
like it's him and the dama. They don't have any
other people helping them, so it's just the.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
Two of them wandering around that apartment.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
An old lady and a child.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Yep, correct me if I'm wrong. But the place where her,
Megan and Pearly went that was that one apartment that
the crow At took her to, isn't it when what
do you mean near the end of this episode, when

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when Nigan still had the knife in his back, they
took him into a building, was that the one that
the crow At had taken her too?

Speaker 1 (25:19):
I am not sure about that.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Maybe, but it looked like they had like kids stuff
in that room, like it was a school or something like,
you know, like there's a little kid's blocks on the floor,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
So I'm not sure that was the same place.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
Okay, I mean you might be right. I was trying
to decide if that was or not. They're fairly high up,
but it didn't really say where they were. But it
wouldn't surprise me if Maggie had picked that spot, because
it's right across the way from where the Dama is

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right now.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
I guess maybe it could even be. You know how
most churches have other buildings, like attached or nearby that
are the same property, right Maybe it's that. I don't know,
who knows, I don't know. I don't even know if
it matters really, But that's interesting how the three of
them ended up together.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
Yeah, I will say this, I was not expecting that.
I know.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Okay, So Nikan got to be his old self, you know,
he got to say his little phrase and swing his
bat around and all this stuff and murder, and he
almost was about to murder, you know, pearly.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
Yeah. Oh oh the way he killed the what's his name?
Oh that was that was harsh.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
That was bold.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
I'm like, okay, So he did not want to just
smash him. He just was like you want this uh
nothane so bad? Here you go like, oh my god,
like what is he doing?

Speaker 1 (27:07):
So that that was jarring. That was different.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
And then he just let him a blaze. Yep, he
had no problem killing him. And I'm okay with it too,
because broke Brugo was okay as a character. But I'm
not gonna miss him.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
No, I'm not either.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
But I didn't expect him to be killed so quickly
in that hole.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
He did his een mighty bow again. Yeah, when he
stopped him early, He's like, but you're off the one
I really want to kill.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
You, are right?

Speaker 2 (27:44):
But he was gonna kill him anyway. He was gonna
come back and kill him. Yeah, but he got away.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
And you know, and really was He's like, you know
what if I was doing all this to save her? Yeah,
but I'm tired of maybes. Yeah, and I get that,
I mean I do. This is a whole world that
is just on the brink of collapse anyway, and you
can't trust anyone, and it maybe really isn't a promise.

(28:14):
But Pearly, I mean, he's not a he's not a
bad guy. And I did, like Vegan speech that you
wish you would have killed me.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Now Betty, Betty kind of did.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
When you had kids. Probably should have done it.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
They may end up being besties or something, depending on
how this group, the three of them end up getting
along next season.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
Yeah, they'll be like you know that one time you
tried to kill me a hahaha. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
I think they're an interesting, you know, combination to stick together.
But Curly's kind of like a follower anyway, So you're
the already have two alphas.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
They don't need a third, right, right, that would be
entirely too much. I mean he's not as weak as
like the crow at don't get me wrong, but he is.
He is not a strong personality.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
No, not at all.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
But he's serious and he see he does have an opinion,
but he's definitely not.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
Able to take charge of a group. That's clear.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Yeah, so I don't know. I'm curious to see. I'm
glad he made it out. Yay, he made it out alive.
I'm glad so Brugal got asked, which that was spectacular.
I think that was probably the best part. And then
the crow at we never saw him, but we know

(29:49):
he's slinking around there somewhere, somewhere somewhere. So he made
it out alive. He's going to be back next season
to run amuck. I'm sure. Now another person that did
not make it out, and I thought she would die,
but I didn't expect her to just be turned.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
I did not expect that.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
So Jenny by Jenny yep uh. And to be honest,
I'm not gonna hate the fact that I'd never have
to hear Maggie say Jenny.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
The way she says.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Jenny is so annoying, like that why she pronounces her name? Dude,
Oh my gosh, So you know that character is gone.
That was that was a good scene though.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
Yeah I did, and with Meigan saying, you know, no,
she wasn't supposed to die alone. I did all of
this for her, to save her. You know. I stuck
around and I stayed here, and I'm doing this because
she can't be moved, right, And he was sure he

(30:59):
could savor.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
I thought he could.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
He thought he could.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
I didn't think she wouldn't make it, but I thought
she would just be killed because she was doing something
or in the wrong place.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
I didn't think she would just pass away.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
And I would have met. I mean, I guess you know,
infection really is it kills. Infection is dangerous. And while
he did find her the ventilator, he did not find
any antbiotics. No, he did not, So you know, she
was you know, she had a raging infection. The ventilator

(31:35):
would have kept her breathing per se, but it wouldn't
have It wouldn't have cured her.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
No, it wouldn't. So she's gone.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
That was actually a pretty interesting scene and even Maggie,
So Maggie was gonna finish nak it off until.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
She saw that, and she's like.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Oh dang, you know, and she even looked like she
wanted to give a pat on the back, like are
you okay?

Speaker 3 (32:02):
Yeah, I mean she didn't give him a knife.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Yeah, she did, like take care of your person, which
is what you're supposed to do, but she instantly like
just changed about face. That was when she made the
final decision, I guess not to go through with it.
Oh so that was interesting.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
M h Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
That scene I think was one of the better ones
as well in this episode, if I had to put
it out there, I also thought the scene where you know,
they came into the church, you know, Brugal and his
people came into the church and he had that.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Feast laid out.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
I'm like, oh no, but of course he after he
told him that story about feeding them dead meat. Yeah,
he knew they wouldn't eat it unless it was real, right,
But that was like I was looking at that, like
what kind of meat is that?

Speaker 1 (32:55):
What is that? What is that?

Speaker 2 (33:00):
That's a lot of food wasted, Yeah, for this little
uh trick.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
Oh yeah, And I'm sure they probably figured they could
clean it up and you know, we use at least
some of it.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Well maybe now with all the walkers under the table
walking around and spewing guts everywhere, right, but that.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
Was all the other side. Yeah, so, and it could
have been props too, Yeah, it could have been because
you know, they weren't that far from the theater. The
theater would have food props.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah, I guess, I don't know, but I would like
to know. You know, the dead are not silent, so
I guess I can just suspend disbelief momentarily. But how
did no one hear them under the table?

Speaker 1 (33:54):
How did first?

Speaker 2 (33:55):
It takes probably a lot of effort to get them
under the table and secured. Yeah, and they're in there,
probably shuffling and bumping into each other.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
Well, we do know that if they're in if they're
in the dark, they tend not to move around too much.
But with them talking and moving around, that should have activated.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
Them, right, So, I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
They put earplugs in.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
It seemed odd, it did, but again, you know, they
do a lot of things that are odd.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
On this show.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
But you know, I guess it was cool when they
start using the flamethrowers.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
That was good. That was fun, you know, And then
of course Brugle got his hands on one of the flamethrowers.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
Yeah, he had a good time with it.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Yeah, and Nstley probably was the only one looking around
like something isn't right.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
They're all like, sure, let's eat the food. Got you
close the doors. Actually that kind of reminded me of
the Red Wedding a little bit.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
Yeah, me too, I will say. And it also kind
of reminded me a little bit of Brugal's feast with
the whole carrot thing. Yeah, they food is significant, mm hmm.
But yeah, I I do want to know because in

(35:24):
the first season, it seemed like there was a ton
of people under the Dama. Okay, when when they went
through that when he walked through that, uh the theater
to meet her for the first time, there was people everywhere.
When he went through the city when they had their fights,

(35:45):
you know that he was witnessed too, there were a
ton of people.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
Where are all these people, That's a good question. I
don't know where are they.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Maybe they're around, but he just has like a small
group of people he needed for the task, and the
others are just hiding or secured somewhere.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Because with the number of people they had from first
season that they showed us. They should be able to
easily overwhelm the new Babylon people, one would think, because
they filled part of a stadium, that's a lot of people.

(36:27):
M hm, So where are they? They haven't seen that
many people this season.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
I know.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
I don't know, but that's how this show rolls. They
just expect us to just take what's happening at face
value and not question anything.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
I guess. I don't know, and we know that.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
You know, we got Meagan, we've got Pearly, and we've
got Maggie. And they took off, but there were still
his people still alive, quite a few of them. Yeah,
when he got stabbed at the back and then they
didn't do any and he did tell them. Now I
got this. But where do they go?

Speaker 2 (37:10):
Whatever secondary building they're in, because that church was a
meeting spot, right, Yeah, so is the theater.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
Maybe they're home?

Speaker 3 (37:19):
No, because Maggie went to the theater, remember, and there
weren't that many people there.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
I don't know. They're somewhere.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
I mean, they could all be hold up where the methane.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Is maybe, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
Like I said, it just the whole thing of who
has the numbers?

Speaker 2 (37:37):
We just never know, which is I guess again like
it allows them to write whatever they want and we
just never know, and we just I don't know.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
I don't like that, but.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
Any because again, I mean whatever you know, from last season,
I would I would have guesstimated and the way that
things were operating and people running in to the crowets
back and call that there was at least five thousand people.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
Mm hm.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
So And even at the beginning of this season when
they were showing the trucks going out and scooping up
the dead, it seemed like there were a lot of
people because there was even more people inside the manufacturing. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Well, maybe they're all in their apartments. You know those
buildings where they turned on the lights. Yeah, you can
see like those apartments and other places like lighting up.
Maybe they're just kind of spread out through those areas.
Maybe they're there but not congregated in once place per se.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
You know, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
I don't either, because if I needed like a team
of twenty to try to Okay, so let's pretend Niga said, Okay,
I need a team twenty to help me take out
the Brugal and his people. At this fake dinner, he
wouldn't need everyone. I mean, it seem like they had
a plan. The song stopped and the action started right right,
So he did have a plan, and he doesn't need

(39:14):
a bunch of random people who have no skill set
going around.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
True.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
So maybe, like I said, they're just off being secure
wherever they're supposed to be.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
I mean, the big, the big reason why I'm curious
is do they have the numbers to take the Babylon people.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
They probably do.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
They probably do. They have the weapons for sure. I mean,
think about that cash of weapons that was hiding in
the church. Yeah, they have all these weapons, they have
the people. They we know that they're violent enough to
do it.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
So unless the new Babylon people have some kind of
unseen unknown like weapon or her skill set, I think
they're just regular old soldiers and they can easily be killed.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
Yeah. And Brugle didn't bring all of his people at
least I'm going to assume not, because we've seen more.
We saw a whole lot more. They're at the marketplace.
Of course, you know the crow at did kill a
whole bunch of the the one people's Yeah, and uh,
there has been a lot of wholesale slaughter this season.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Yeah, totally.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
And I think honestly once, like when Nigan took over
the Damas people, they just acclimated. They said, oh, we
have a new leader. So I think it could be
the same thing with Brugal, like his people when they
see oh damn, he killed them, he killed them, he's gone,
you know, they'll just get in line and do what
they're you know, they'll just join the new group. I

(40:55):
think they'll just merge together unless someone stands up as says, oh,
I'm in control of this group now, which has not
happened yet with any group, you know. I guess it's possible.
But they're setting up more conflict just fine, So I
don't know if you need it, but maybe.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
It's hard to guess what they're gonna do on this
show because they're so inconsistent.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
I feel like so.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
And like it's there's even the numbers that we see
are very inconsistent. The numbers that we saw last season
with the Dama were a lot, and we saw these
big gatherings, these big groups, and these you know, raw, raw,
raw things, which we really didn't see so much this year.

(41:52):
For this season and even at the church she had
a couple people, but really, I never there's really never
more than like twenty or thirty people they're at the
church from her group, and when they invited the other
groups into for the little pow wow, they did fill
up the seats of the church. They did, But I

(42:16):
mean that's still maybe what one hundred people of peace
maybe depending on the side of the church.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
I don't know, I mean, bare bones.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Even if there are a hundred people, they could probably
still beat out the New Babylon people still.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
Right, But we also have to remember this the Theatrician rate.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Yeah, yeah, it's true because the.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
One group Brugal killed pretty much everyone except for the
women and.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Children, right, and the women and children aren't gonna fight anyone.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
Unlikely unlikely, So that's at least a hundred gone right there.
Brugal's group has been more or less you know, hit.
But since we don't know what how, we just don't know.
The numbers are just we don't know. And quite honestly,

(43:07):
if all the people we saw last season with the Dama,
she really would shouldn't have needed any other group to
take care of New Babylon, because she should have had
the people.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
Yeah, Oh, I don't know this show.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
I kind of feel like, honestly, I feel like I'm
so deep into this world like I'm not willing to
give it up yet, even though it is trash. I
feel like overall high level this season was garbage.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
I was watching a whole lot of what am I
watching right?

Speaker 3 (43:48):
Well, And again, I think the biggest problem is, and
this has been this has been the problem with this
show since they went off script from the comics, and
that is there's no consistency. A good show. You should
be able to at least make some educated guesses and

(44:09):
be somewhere in the ballpark at least half of the time.
These guys on this you know, on this show, there
were things happening that were just completely out of left
field that didn't make any sense, that there was no
indicators for. And we're just like, well, huh okay. And

(44:31):
it's not that, you know, a good surprise every once
in a while isn't a good thing. That's fine, but
it has to be consistent within the world that it's in, right,
And they don't always do that. Sometimes walkers do things,
sometimes they don't do things. Sometimes, you know, characters will
act completely out of character from themselves. It just it

(44:57):
gets if they were more consistent, it would be better.
But apparently they're just using the spaghetti method, you know,
they're throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing what sticks. Yeah,
and you know, or they're just changing the rules too
so they can do something that they think is cool,
you know. But I really wish they would be a

(45:20):
little more internally consistent, and I think if they were
to do that, the show would be a lot better.
And that's why it was so good to begin with,
is because it was based on this whole comic book
series that was very well written.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
I think they have turned this show like the show Okay,
so to me, I feel like The Walking Dead was
even between plot and character development. Right now, it's all
plot and not very much character development, which is also
another problem because they're, like you said, they're kind of
just using these.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
Characters like sticks.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
So yeah, they're props stick men and women to just
move around the board to get to the plots they
want to do. And it doesn't always gel like with
how the characters are supposed, how we expect them to
be acting, how we expect you know, so they could
be doing a little more character work to make it well.

(46:21):
And I understand they only have eight episodes. I get it,
so they have to keep things succinct. But even within
the eight episodes, they had a little bit of fluff
in there this season.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
Yeah. Well, and they could have used some of this
time to have us further understand Maggie and Herschel's relationship,
or give us some more insight on Pearly, or you know.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
Hell, give us a scene with Niggan and Annie. Yeah,
what about that? A real one that wasn't in his
imagination because he was demasional.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
You know, they could have done a flashback the last
time he saw Yeah, yeah, because we never saw that, right,
So you know, it's they need to start treating the
characters like characters again and not props. Yeah, or ponds
We moved around so that they can get to wherever

(47:23):
it is they're trying to get to. Because when a
character acts completely outside of what we assume is their character,
it's jarring. And I think that's been one of our
bigger complaints, is just the lack of consistency.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
So it's almost like they have a checklist of things
they want done. We want the bat and he can's
hand again. We want him to act like he was
acting when he was in charge of the Saviors. We
want fire, we want deaths, we want.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
You know. They're checking a list and they're like, what
character can we move to do it?

Speaker 2 (48:01):
And it's not being true to the original stuff. It's
just not the same. It's definitely different. The further we
get away from the original series, the worse it is.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
I would agree with that.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
It's like, I can't stop watching The train Wreck for
some reason.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
Well, because you'd miss me?

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Yeah I would, I would, But I'm like, why are
we doing this? We're torturing ourselves.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
Well, yeah, there's that, but I guess it's that whole
Hope Springs eternal thing. Maybe next season.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Will be better, maybe maybe not.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
We're like in an abusive relationship with this show.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
And actually I heard somewhere, and I don't remember who
said it, but I heard somewhere that they are anticipating
five seasons. Really yeah, and if they actually get five seasons,
I mean the way these writers, right, I can't imagine
that they've plotted that far ahead. They feel like they're

(49:04):
swinging by the seat of their pants.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
So but if you know, that you're gonna if you
know that you've been GREENLFT for five seasons, and you
should have a story arc for that for those five seasons. Now.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
I don't know if they've been green lift for all five.
I know that's what they'd like to do.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Right, But if that's their plan, then they should have
an overall story arc so that they can again maintain
internal consistency.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Yeah, one would think, because now we've got to see
a season of Pearly, Maggie and Meagan working as it's
some kind of team. I don't know what kind of
team that's going to look like. Weird, a team that
you can't go to sleep around because they might murder
you in your sleep.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
You know. I can't say that I hate the idea
of Maggie and Megan and Pearly being together. I don't
hate it, but yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
It's different.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
I didn't really anticipate that exactly, but we didn't know
that Maggie was stay put, right.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
We did guess that, and we assume that of course
Meagan would too because of you know, porly, I honestly,
I kind of thought he was going to die in
the in the season finale, so you know that was
a nice surprise. He's still alive.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
Yeah, I mean he even got to do a little
callback to that little story that woman told him.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
Yeah, that was the ending.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Actually, I also did not really like the narration at
the end of Maggie and meegan kind of like talking
back and forth about the voiceover reflecting on you know,
forks in the road and past and future and unknown future,
all this stuff. I just kind of like zoned out

(50:56):
a little bit. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
I didn't I didn't like it.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
It was okay, I didn't hate it, but I don't
know that it had quite the dramatic effect that they
were probably hoping for. No, it's kind of deration, can
you know, can really set things up. But I don't
think that was this.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
It didn't hit the way I think they intended it to,
at least not for me anyway. And maybe both of
them talking didn't really work. I don't know what it was.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
It was actually all three.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
It was it was and maybe that's part of why
it didn't work. So does that mean that they're going
to be equally to sharing the screen next season? Maybe
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
And that and maybe also part of it is that
none of them are likable, none of them. You know,
there's no who do you root for? None of them?

Speaker 3 (51:58):
I mean, if you want to get real truthful here,
there's really no one in this show that's worth rooting for.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Honestly, they all can die.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
I mean, who do we get? Okay, we got these three,
and we've got Herschel, We've got the Dama and somewhere
the Cromats running around. Yeah, we have the the mass
of followers from all three leaders who have now officially
been killed. And yeah, I mean who else is there?

Speaker 1 (52:31):
There's no one?

Speaker 2 (52:32):
But that's I think another problem of weak character development
for me, Like, it's important for me to want to
be like, you know, for example, when Nigga first killed Glenn,
you know, and even though Maggie was struggling through that
whole stupid show, you know, I wanted vengeance for her, right,
I was like, dang, that is messed up, and I

(52:54):
feel like that feeling is gone, right, So they took
that feeling away and what's left is met.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
Yeah, because I mean when Glenn died, oh man, I
mean that you could hear collectively across the country, oh
my god.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Yeah, right, and that stopd her character's behavior for seasons
and seasons. Yeah, that was her sole motivation, her thing,
that was driving her forward, right, and now it's gone. Yeah,
I don't know that leaves her really. Like I said, meh,
I feel nothing for her character. I don't feel sorry

(53:33):
for her. I don't feel hopeful for her. I don't
think this character knows what the hell she's doing.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
I don't think she does either.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
The writers don't know what to do with Maggie right now.
That's what I feel like. If they have something in
store that's gonna be interesting, I'd like to see it
me too.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
Please, God, don't don't have Maggie and he can get together.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Oh God, that would be I would stop. I would
I would protest, I would stop if they did that. Like,
you've got to be kidding me. That man is married,
right with a child that he supposedly loved, So let's not.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
I mean, technically both of the men in the scener
are married.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
Yeah. Yeah, So yeah, I'm.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
Hoping they don't try to go romance angle, to try
and do something I don't know. I really, I'm begging
them not.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
To leave the romance out of this show period. We
had our glimpse at romance in The Walking Dead. It's over,
it's gone. Yeah, I don't know what it would take
for them to have some kind of romance that I
for any of these characters that I would co sign on.
I mean, maybe if Annie showed up again next season

(54:47):
and they actually managed to have some kind of on
camera relationship, I would be okay with that.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
Yeah, I'd be okay with that.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
But and I suppose I don't know, we've never even
seen Purley's wife or kids, so we have no emotional
connection to them whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
No, and he's not going back to New Babylon anytime soon.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
Nope, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
Maybe he'll never go back.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
I guess I'll just leave them. If he makes it
out of the next season. He might not, who knows.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
I have not heard anything on when they anticipate the
third season dropping. So have you heard anything?

Speaker 3 (55:34):
Not a thing. I mean, if I had to venture
to guess, I'm gonna say they if they're trying to
stay on a schedule. Yeah, because there for a while
they were really good about you know, Walking Dead always
came out in the fall, and you know, so they
might try to keep it on the same schedule they've

(55:56):
got it on right now, so next springish.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Well, I know with Darryl Dixon that's like I said,
coming September seventh, But I think they're only going to
do half the season and then they'll take that winter
break they always take, right and then we'll probably get
the back half of the season in February usually when
they used to come back, when The Walking Day used
to come back, and then I guess Dead City might

(56:24):
be another summer show, maybe late spring, early summer, assuming
they get everything done in time.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
Yeah, that's I mean, without having any other information, I'm
assuming it's probably going to be around the same time
as this it started this year.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
Yeah, because I haven't heard anything, I'm sure you know,
they'll start dropping bits of information probably around the new
year about that, because I know now with comic com
being I think it's like next month, right, I think
coming So we're gonna get more Darl Dixon information. They're

(57:04):
going to start dropping, like snippets and all other kind
of things to kind of get people excited for it,
and they probably want to keep the conversation going through
September through September seventh so people don't get kind of forgetful, right,
if they're smart, that's what they'll do anyway.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
So well, we've already established they're not always so bright if.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
They are not, if they are not, dude, I don't know.
So I gave my opinion of this season. What do
you think? How'd you think the season went?

Speaker 1 (57:34):
Overall?

Speaker 3 (57:35):
It was okay, that's okay.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
M h.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
I didn't. I didn't hate it like I hated you know,
oh the World, People.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
World Beyond.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Yes, I hated that show. I hated it.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Didn't we all that was bad?

Speaker 3 (58:00):
So I didn't hate it like that. And I didn't
even hate it like I hated the first couple of
seasons of hear the Walking Dead. But I'm not gonna
say that it was great because it wasn't. But it was.
It was. It was watchable, you know, if you're if

(58:21):
you're a Walking Dead fan, it's it's it's definitely watchable.
But it's if you're if you've somehow been living under
a rocker in a coma for the last however many
years and you're just now coming into this, I you
would go, I don't understand, you.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
Know, I mean to be honest, like, I think this
might be a highly unpopular opinion, but I always have
unpopular opinions. But honestly, Lauren Cohen, I don't think she's
the best actress.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
She's okay.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
She's just been doing Maggie for so long.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
We're all used to her, and I don't think they
could ever change her, because you know, she's been a
staple here. But if you were being really, really honest,
she didn't have the.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
It I think she was. She was better with Glenn, Yeah,
like I like, you know, and and this is not
just the whole broken aspect of her, but her and
Glenn together were actually good, you know, they were They
were interesting to watch and and I really liked them together.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
Maybe she's just a better actor with a partner like
I even think of, like that show she left to
do for a little while, that Whiskey Cavalier show. The
show wasn't great, It wasn't gonna matter, got canceled, no,
you know, no wonder, But I think maybe her acting
partner on that show didn't really even though I liked
that guy on Scandal, I can't remember what his name
is right now, but together they just didn't really yeah

(01:00:01):
do it? So she's one of these like, okay, So,
for example, or in contrast to that, I do feel
like Jeffrey Dean Morgan is good in everything he does.
He has that a natural charisma about him that even
if he's playing a sick dude on Gray's Anatomy, right,
he's still fun to watch.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
She didn't have that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
Yeah, he has a he has a lot more character charisma.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
And he he's a good bad guy. He's a good
good guy.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Yeah. But I do think he's turned typecast now a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
It's gonna take a minute for him to get out
of this persona because, like I said, you know, I
was watching Invincible earlier this year and he was one
of the vulturemites and it sounded like it was Nagan
as a vulturemite.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
I swear.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
I'm like, he's not like Nigga. He's taught like Niga.
This is crazy. He couldn't even change it up a
little bit. So he is very in the Nagan zone,
I guess. But anyway, that's just my little two cents.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Uh anything else.

Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
No, I think we pretty much got it covered.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Yeah, I think so. You guys, let us know what
you thought of the season. Do you agree with any
of the things we said disagree, did.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
You love it? If you did, please let us know
what you loved. Weave us a comment.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
I'd like to know because you know, it's good to
get a different point of.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
View sometimes, so yes, it is. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
So this has been fun. It's been a great time.
Thanks for listening. We appreciate you for listening to the
entire episode. Don't forget to like and subscribe wherever you're listening,
because we'll be back again in September and you want
to get that notification so you can.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Join us live or listen later. And that's it. We'll
catch you in the next one. Take care of yourselves.
Bye guys.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Byby, do the Do

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