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for you, and we should beginbecause we have a lot to talk about.
Oh yes, yes, So wewent here last week because I was

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across the pond having a good time. Back back to reality. So we
are back on it. So episodetwo we got to see a shown story.
We did, and man, itwas actually it was actually really tragic.

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It was tragic, it was andyou know, I find okay.
So we've gotten this treatment to thesecharacters, and two episodes in a row
we are introduced to new people.We want to like them, we want
to care about them, and theyare killed. I know, I mean
okay. So shortly after she leavesAlexandria. You know, she meets up

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with these people, I mean,and it's not long after and the traveling
group, you know, because shesaves the two people, the crouple,
and and then she's like, okay, I'm out of here. And then
they all decide to follow her,and she's like, go back, you
know, I'll draw you a map, go to Alexandria. I don't want
to, you know, I'm onmy route. No, no, no,

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we're going to help you. Fine, Rick, Oh, that was
probably the worst mistake they ever made. It absolutely was the worst mistake.
There's no question there. Absolutely baddecision. Oh yeah, especially for the
pregnant woman. I know she's pregnant, and oh that is so sad.
You're gonna kill the pregnant woman andnot only just killed them, but killed
them in a horrible manner. Okaydropping or was it chloroform or not chloroform,

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but Laurene I thought he said chlorine. Yeah, so yeah, I
mean that was that was horrible.I mean they burned the inside of their
lungs. Yeah, you know,and then you know she's like, okay,
you know, they get them intothe so they've got the little tiny

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group, and I don't know howmany following. It looked about to be
about ten twenty people were following them, and out of the ten twenty people,
there was a whole four left.And then you know, she's like,
I'm gonna go get an oxygen youknow, oxygen tanks. Boy,
there's a lot of oxygen tanks inthis world, ain't there anyway? That's
when they need them. Yeah,go figure, And she's like, tire

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up, and apparently they didn't.No. I well, she was on
the bed when she came back.I'm like, dang. So yeah,
but her husband got was bit too, which means that he was staying very
close to her if even if shewasn't even if she was tied down,
he wasn't taking precautions. See,And I just thought he died because of

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his injuries, Like, I justthought he died and turned he might have,
but I think I think he Ithink she bit him because he wasn't
as bad off as she was.You know, he was about on par
with micheone, or at least itseemed to be. I think she was

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more susceptible simply because she was pregnant. Yeah, definitely, So you know,
so then you know, so outof this group of about ten to
fifteen, we're down to two.And I really liked the tanker. Yeah,
Nat, he's cool. They werethere for a long time together.
Yeah, what was two years?I think? Yeah, because like that

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they showed at least two falls,you know through the window above and while
Mashone and him, you know,rested, recovered and you know, got
themselves back in shape. But andwe know where those whistlers came from him
mm hmmm. And you know whatall I had made, Yeah, you

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know, all I could think ofis he would have been a brilliant asset
to any community, including the CRMoh absolutely, And instead, you know,
he got killed. I mean hewas making her armor. He was
you know, armor she was wearing. They did that. He had several
weapons. The first weapon he gaveher, which was a fiasco by the

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way, she shoots it out intothe field and of course she hits you
know, there's a walker out theregas on him, and I think the
head would just fly off and knockher off the horse like that. I'm
like, oh my god. Yeah, but you know what, unbelievable.
But Natt is such a good personto have around because he's so able to

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just like create all kinds of stuff. Oh yeah, those whistler things,
those were impressive. And that hebasically made a Tommy gun. Yeah,
and you know that and all sortsof just neat little things. And truthfully,
I truthfully wish that they instead ofhim going with Micheone, I wish

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they had all just gone to Alexandria. I know, because then we could
have a chance to see him again. Yeah, And just think of would
have all of them would have beenan asset for Alexandria. So, you
know, we lost these really greatcharacters. And I understand, I get
it, you know, move thestory along and so on and so forth.

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I get it, but it wouldpersonally, I think it just would
have made me happier to know thatthey were back in Alexandria in theory and
safe. But I also know partof it is is because they wanted to
show the the cold blooded calculatedness ofthe CRM when just dropping you know,

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the uh like basically the bombs onthem just because they saw a group headed
toward them. Yeah. That andthat alone right deserve to die. And
the thing of it is is,you know, they're so all powerful they
really could have just made a bit, They could have made something. You

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know, if they don't want themtaking certain roads, they could have just
made those roads and passed where theycould have you know, piled up cars,
you know, like a car crash, or you know, dropped a
building across the road to the pointwhere it's unpassable, you know, I
mean they could have done you know, the CRM could do a lot of
things, but why do that Theywould try to get through. We can

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just kill them and be done withit, exactly because the CRM, you
know, for all that they talkabout being the shining beacon on the hill,
the light, you know, againstthe dark, and so on and
so forth. And I know thatthey're going the means, you know,
or you know, the ends justifythe means. But that's the same counterintuitive

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like really does to grow the community. They want more soldiers, but they
only want certain kinds. They don'tknow what kind of people they were before
they threw the bomb on them.Yeah, but again they want to bring
in people on their own terms,and that's it. And they only want
to bring them in, you know, people that won't be missed, people
that don't have people, people thatdon't have communities, don't bring in any

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families, which is weird because peoplecouple up in there. Yeah. Well
but that's just it though. Thecouple up in there, they don't you
know, and then they invest inwhere they are as opposed to where they
were. That's true, you know. And yeah, and I I mean,

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I you know, the secrecy.It's all about the secrecy, okay,
except why Yeah, it doesn't makesense to me. It still feels
like if you're so big and bad, you have so much power and control.
Like we saw at the end ofthe episode with Sean, it's like
looking out at all the stuff thatthey had and it's like, why are

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you afraid? It doesn't It seemsstill to me like it doesn't quite hit
well. And again what you knowthem you know, decimating omaha, you
know again, I mean that strategically, it didn't make any sense. This
was a this was a thriving communityand mostly intellectuals, so you would think,

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you know, I mean, andI know that they took the brightest
out, but still this was athis was a university community. I don't
understand how they could just throw thataway and justify well, you know,
educated people are free thinkers. Soyeah, that's what, right, they

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might be more a's with educated people, right and and and while I get
that, at the same time,you know they are technically big enough now
to repel Yeah, you know,I mean if if they came up against

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you know, like Alpha, Ohbig deal, they just mower down you
know, the governor. So whatyeah, it will hit way right.
It seems that way right, evenyou know Nagan okay with his with his
saviors. I mean, let's faceit, these guys were you know,
they did have guns and stuff.For the most party had what thirty fighters,

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you know, and that was aboutit. After that. I mean,
really, Nigan couldn't go up againstthe CRM. No, not even
a little bit. You know,honestly, they have the ability to be
very strategic and surgical about what they'redoing. So if they want to take
out, you know, people thatthey think would be I guess a detriment

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to them, why are they usinga sledgehammer to take out everyone instead of
you know, why are you notbeing more precise about what you're doing.
You're just killing masses of people thatIt doesn't make sense either, you know,
like you said, I mean,if they they really were interested in.
If they only wanted bees, youknow, they could just send in

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people like Jadis to go in infiltrateand basically, you know, take out
anyone that meets the leadership, scoopup the people and send them to the
community. But then again, havingthese satellite communities that you know, are
fairly self sufficient with only needing alittle help here or there would also be
in their benefit. Truthfully, youknow, to have little satellite communities that

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may or may not know where theyare and you know, build up from
there would to me, would makemore sense than what they're doing. Yeah,
and I know that you know thisis not in this episode, so
we do want to stay here.But later we'll talk about what happens with
Pearl and maybe we'll get more informationlater. But as of right now,

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in this moment, it just makesabsolutely no sense why they're doing that to
people. I mean, now shedoes say to Rick, you know,
I got the briefing. I understandit all now, Well fine, tell
Rick, right, I don't knowwhy they you know, because oprabaumb no
whatever, he knew, he knewwhat the briefing was. Why didn't he

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just give it to them? That'slike a question. I thought about that
in the first episode when he wastalking to them and kind of training them
and teaching them, like why notjust tell them why are you holding off?
And the same thing with Pearl,why are you holding off? Right?
Weird? And now you know,Pearl, now that she knows it

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all makes sense now, you know, and Jadas she's like, I'm a
true believer. Now, well shewas a true believer when she first got
there. But that's the third episode, right, But you know, she's
she's really leaned into it. Andlet's face it, we know for a
fact that you know, for worldbeyond that Jadas is ready to do just

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about any dirty, underhanded thing sheyou know, that needs to be done
to save their little plan. Yeah, she is, so you know,
like I said, she is ayou know, she is a zealot.
She is a true believer. Andin a way, I'm kind of surprised
they let her in because technically she'san A two. Yeah, but they

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probably were fine with it because shewas doing everything they wanted. She wasn't
really you know, going against themin any way. And now that she
strength the kool aid, they're like, okay, we have an a,
but she's doing she's you know,she's more on the placid side of a.

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You know, only crazy people willinglyfollow her felt loney looney since day
one though, so yeah, ohyeah, her and the trash can people
they were. That was a wholething so ironically, Like side note,
I was watching someone else's video andthey referred back to like that scene I

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think it was. I don't wantto misspeak what season it was, but
it was after they had this fightand Jadas says to like Michelle and like,
hey, I'm gonna lay with Rickafter this. You good. She
looked at her like bitch. I'mlike, oh my god, I forgot
that. It was hilarious. I'mlike, oh, she's crazy. I'd
forgotten about that too until I said, I'm like, oh man, I

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remember that now. Yeah, likeyou no, no, it's not fine.
You know, she had Rick nakedin that in that container. You
know, Oh my god, Iforgot, Like what a hella like crush
she had on Rick, And itcame back in the third episode like she
is like trying to touch him.He like, get away from me.

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Oh yeah, oh my god,you right. You know you took me
away from my family. You tookme away from everything. Yeah, but
I saved your life, yeah,you know, and enough well and the
thing and we we did talk aboutthat that. I mean, technically,
it's very possible she did save hislife. Then again, maybe not.
We don't know the extent of Rick'sinjuries. Yeah, they did not show

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us, so you know, ifhe just had a concussion, he probably
would have you know, gotten throughthat. At that point, they still
had you know, several doctors.It didn't appear that he had you know,
any major external injuries. So maybeshe saved his life. Maybe she

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didn't. It's hard to say.Rick was knocked unconscious, we know that,
and we don't know how long hewas kept underwhild or under sedation while
when he first came in, sohe may not know the extent of his
injuries, right, he could havebeen out for a long time and they
told him whatever. Yeah, youknow, so you know they could have

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told you know, she could havetold him I lie if she had wanted
to, and he wouldn't have Andnow that he was there, it doesn't
really matter. But she's using thatas a chip. I saved your life,
you know, well, you know, and we see Okay, So
at the end of episode two,you know, Rick succeeds in getting mishown

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like kind of through it. Youknow, he has Pearl helping him,
and he comes back and there sheis just posted up in his apartment or
whatever, and she's like, hey, you know, we got an agreement.
I'm gonna leave this off the books. But you know, she's all

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threatening him, and he's looking I'mlike, oh, no, what's gonna
say? And actually, I thoughtthat was really unique that the end of
the episode he didn't really say anything. No. Rick, Actually and I
have noticed this since, you know, since we've seen him back again,
his looks are often hesitant and haunted. You could, you know, even

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even seeing micheone and I know thathe is trying to save her. He
he could have sent her out inthe woods instead of bringing her back.
He could have you know, explainedthings a little bit better before she came
in. He could have thrown histracker away. Honestly, yeah, I

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think I know. So, Okay, I kind of want to give Rick
a little bit of grace with howmuch he explained when he first saw her,
Because time was ticking, you know, they knew that hello, like
okafor is down, they're going torush to try to save him. He
already alerted them, and he wasmore concerned with her hiding herself than anything

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else, right, So I kindof give him a pass on that.
But in episode three, he couldthey could have spent more time talking,
less time make it out right.He but even when you know, I
think it was at the end middleend of the second episode when the two
over there are there by the trucks. Yeah, and she makes a decision

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not to tell him about they havea son well, and also didn't her
grace with that too, although thatmight have made him act differently, right,
Yeah, but I don't think.But I think the reason she didn't
though is at the time she Idon't think she was aware of how saying
he was, yeah, brainwashed,set to stay there he was, and

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and didn't want to overwhelm him.And I get that because in her,
because she even told him as soonas we're out of here, I'll,
you know, tell you what's goingon. Yeah, and you know,
because it has been you know,I mean to find out you have a
seven year old son that you didn'tknow about, it can be you know,
a little disorientating and she was underthe impression that he was going to

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help her get out with him.Yes, And I do understand because,
like he said, you know,with Jadas, if they try to escape,
then Jadas knows where Alexandria is andshe will send the CRM to decimate
every person he knows, which againI don't get. But see, the

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thing is Micheue doesn't know what happenedat the end of the Walking Dead,
right, she doesn't know that.Hell, they could go back there,
they not go find what they thinkthey're gonna find, right, because everything's
very different right now. Yeah,and a lot of them are still with
the Commonwealth, like a lot ofthem live there. So she's crippled because

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she doesn't have all the information,and he's crippling her by not giving her
all the information, Like he's nottelling her a word about Jadas until the
very end of the third I thinkit was like, I don't know.
Mayway through the third episode, he'stalking to Jadas and she's like, oh,
she doesn't know about me yet,right, She's like, oh she
does now, well, and Idon't understand why Rick doesn't say to mis

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shown, you don't understand, Yeah, if I escape there. You know,
Jadas is here. She knows whereAlexandria is, and she will go
and kill Judith and everyone else.That's why I cannot leave. I feel
like he's like doing that man thing, like I know what's best, I'm

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gonna yeah that you gotta go.And I think originally when he first saw
her, his instinct was to fleewith her until he got that reality check.
Jadas changed his mind, right,But again, I think if he
would tell the show what is truthfullygoing on, they could work it through.
Right. This is why I can'tleave. Jadas has has us all
by the short hair. She knowswhere I'm from. She can point it

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out in the map and they willgo and they will wipe the you know,
wipe everyone off the map. Andthe thing of it is is Mashon
has seen what the CRM will do. She knows that they will. She
you know, after the attack onthat group that she was with, she
would have no doubt in her mindthat these people are completely capable of that.
Yeah. So if she was awareof the stakes, you know,

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she she may have acted different.She may have taken the boat. I
don't think she would have. Andsee, that's the thing. So I
feel like in episode three, thewhole time, I could tell Mashawn micheone
was pissed the fuck off with Rick. Oh yeah, she was understam dirty
looks and like, uh, youknow, she knew he was off,

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and she really almost gave up againuntil she came across the guy who made
the drawings and he kind of peptalker, you know, back into like
giving him some more time and youknow, don't give up whatever, And
she was still like pretty irate.And I don't blame her because she knows
she doesn't have all the information.She's a smart woman, right, and

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she knows she doesn't know him likeshe did when when he was taken from
them. She can see that heis broken. Something is different here.
He is not the same, andshe can tell that. But unfortunately Rick
has also forgotten who she is.Because I say that because if he remembers

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what type of person she was whenthey were together, he would know there's
no way in hell that she wouldjust walk off and leave him just because
he said, so, that's nother personality at all. It's ending out
with all the information. Yeah,And like I said, at least if
he would tell her what is goingon, she could then at least understand

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and make an informed decision. She'slooking at him like, well, you
crazy, Yeah, And I don'tbelieve her because because his behavior is simply
bizarre to her. And if youdon't know what's if you were unaware of
what Rick has been through and what'sgoing on and the threats that are hanging
over his head, you know,it would be confusing. And I get

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why she's confused. Yeah, itseems like she's in a stronger place than
he is right now in time.And even Jadas knows that, because Jada
says to him, you know,hey, he kind of implies, like,
why weren't you so worried about meleaving? She's like, well,
you know, I know you couldn'tescape. Yeah. Now she's here and

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the two you together. Yeah,so now she's here propping your ass up.
Now, I don't with y'all youtwo gagging up together, anything had
happened. So, you know,because they've spent seven years breaking him down,
you know, and micheone who wasa strong leader to begin a strong
person to begin with. You know, before she met Rick, she was

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a survivor. After she met Rick, she was still a survivor. You
know, she's she's never been andsoft and at least not since the apocalypse
and not after her brother and whoeverelse is son? And yeah, brother
and son, you know, Andyeah, I mean her two walkers that

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she had what was what was herbrother and cousin? Yeah, something like
that, you know, so sheknows how to survive. And yeah,
she's not broken like Rick is rightnow. So yeah, Jada's has every
right to be concerned because you know, micheone will you know, she'll do
a Carol, she'll try to blend. Actually she doesn't blend as well as

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Carroy does you know what I wasyou know, speaking of that Lisa at
the beginning of the episode, youknow, she's killing the walkers and then
of course the girl says how longit's training? Did you get three or
six? And she's like what She'slike, yeah, three for the you
know, more experienced than six forpeople who need it. It's like,
what do you you watch and tellme what you think? I'm like,

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Quitch, show it up? Yeahexactly, and like the dead walker,
like the walker they thought was killedand it comes back and then the soldiers
are like step away and she justtakes care of it. I'm like,
stop showing off, Macheone, exactly. You're standing out like a sore thumb,
you know. And I know thatthis is hard for her. I

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know it is. Yeah, shecan't step back, Yeah I do.
I will say this, Carol,if she was in that position, would
fool them all. Yeah, shewould have stepped back like she needed help.
Yeah yeah, well not just becauseshe does that, Susie homemaker think
so good. She actually if shehad known, she could have got some
lessons before she left, I know, right, because is like it's written

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all over your face kind of girl. Uh huh. And there's she she
cannot hide in plain sight. It'sobvious. And Pearl caught on to her
very quickly. She's like, oh, she don't look like anyone that needs
help. People help it to her, right, She's fine. Well,
and then they, you know,then they brought her to the to the

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outpost in an attempt to keep herfrom being noticed. And again Micheone does
something to get herself noticed. Now, I will say this that that whole
plan was going to hell. Soat that point, as a good leader,
you need to reassess the situation.And she refused to reassess the situation.

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She's like, no, I'm goingto do it. And as everything's
falling apart, so micheone, asa good leader, made a change to
the plan and it worked. I'lltake care of it, right, And
then Rake dropped everything to help hertoo, so you know, and again
that's you know, that's what agood leader does, which is again,

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we don't want any no one wantsto We don't want her to show anyone.
But then she notices that she didthat and continued to run. Remember
they ran away and they were hiding, and he's trying to tuck her into
like we gotta go back, youknow, So she is right. Then
she's doing kind of what Rick wasdoing at every opportunity, trying to escape.

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And he's like, this is notgonna work. It's not gonna work,
and she's not listening. But he'snot explaining in the right way,
right, he's not explaining at allout of stuff, and that's the problem.
Rick needs to explain him as shownwhat is going on? Why is
he afraid to leave because Jadas hasalready said that they will track down everyone

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in Alexandria and kill them. Mhm okay, and that is a legitimate,
good reason on his part, andI get it. But he should
have shared that information with her andhe has not, and he's had opportunity.
Oh yeah, he gave her thatnote. She could have read the
note and he could say, Jadasis here. She knows about Alexandria,

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and if we try to escape,she will kill everyone there for security reasons.
Yeah, he wrote a very longnote to her. He could have
thrown another two or three sentences inthere exactly, And if he had said
that to her, she would haveunderstood. At that point. I still
don't think she would have left,but I think her her method or what

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she thought she would be able todo would be readjusted, right, would
change. Yeah, she would knowshe can't just do this with sheer force
of will and brute. She's gonnahave to be smarter, right, which,
honestly, in the end, she'shad enough of ricking his shenanigans.
She's had enough there, you know, on the helicopter going back after that

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whole fiasco, and she's like,I'm just gonna yank your ass off this
helicopter. That's what we're doing.That was you could just and you can
see. She was like, that'sit. I'm done, ye airplane,
she is helicopter finished with him.She's done with that conversation, Like,

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dude, the look on her face, the disgust she is like, who
the hell are you? Who?Who did I marry? Like like,
I don't know if you've heard aboutthat TikTok phenomenon, Resa Tisa? Who
the fuck did I marry? That'swhat she's like that And according to like

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the little preview, she's like,we needed a timeout, dude, Yeah,
we need a time out. Timeout. We need to talk and
get the shit together because I don'tknow what the hell is going on.
And he better tell her at thatpoint what is at stake here? Because
again, if if she is awareof what the steaks are, you know,
because she knows about you know,she doesn't want to lose Judith,

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she doesn't want to use lose RJ. And she needs to come clean and
let him know that he has ason, yes, you know, light
a little fire under his ass.Yeah, absolutely, he needs it.
He needs something, he needs somethingto shake off the years. And I
know he's been in this for years. He tried a lot. Episode one

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really brought that home for us,right right, So it's not like he
tried a couple of times and gaveup. This went on for a long
time. You know, he gavein. He chopped off his own hand.
Yeah, you know. I meanso that's dedication right there. It
is. But you can tell,like you're all the way done for you
to turn like that, and nowyou're the opposite. You know, you

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went so far and then he justgave in. He gave in, And
now she's got a lot of workahead of her to flip him back the
other way where he feels he hasa chance. They haven't hands that he's
not a whip dog no more.Yeah, like they have other options,
Like he honestly just feels like thereare no options, and it's up to

(32:02):
her to show him that there areoptions. He just doesn't know them yet.
Yeah, it's the And like Isaid, I'm I don't think we're
ever We're not going to have aresolution of the CRM or anything at this
point. I would like the twoof them to take them down. Yeah,

(32:23):
you know, And here's the thing. It's not that I'm against what
the CRM is trying to do inthe as a concept, they are trying
to rebuild civilization. I do notagree with their methods. Yeah, the
methods are wrong. And I couldsee when they were first starting out they

(32:44):
were a small community. They werevulnerable. Okay, I get it.
You know, secrecy is important thatyou know, you need to protect.
But they are now big enough thatthey can repel just about any threat anywhere.
I don't think that there is anotherforce in the US they could go

(33:04):
toe to toe with them. Idon't think if two or three of the
biggest forces in the US went toeto toe with them, because honestly,
at this point, ninety nine percentof all the civilizations, you know,
communities that are left are you know, they're in the cowboys stage. They've
got guns, but they're not Thesearen't military. They're survivors, don't get

(33:25):
me wrong, but they're not military. You know, they don't have armies
of people. The closest we hadto that was you know, fear the
walking dead down there at you know, Padre, and they were children,
right, you know, so youknow we're not talking about you know,
any real dire threats. They don'tneed to be killing people off left or

(33:52):
right. You know, they coulddo you know, kind of like the
Commonwealth was doing and do intake interviewsand go Nope, not good for our
community and toss him out. Mh. You know. And again in
Fear of the Walking Dead what's hisname? He was keeping everyone out of
a building. Yeah, you knowhe was didn't have any problems keeping anyone

(34:13):
out of the building. They've gotwalls in a military. I am sure
they can keep anyone out that theyreally want to. They can. They
can't. And you know, soknowing like them and kind of talking about
the a's and the bs does tieback to world beyond? And we know
they were experimenting in world beyond.We saw it, So that kind of

(34:37):
like reinforces that. And I'm wondering, do you think what Pearl found out
has anything to do with them workingon a cure? It might. It
might even have something to do withFrance. It might because we know the
CRMs working with the people in France. Yeah, So like how I wonder

(35:00):
like, is she that high upif she has the full briefing? Does
she just have like a piece ofthe briefing? My guess is a piece
of the briefing? Yeah, Idon't think until you get up to you
know, command or commander you knowwhere you're I think she'd have to be

(35:21):
higher up to get the full picture, but she has enough of it to
like to become a true believer,which it seems like that's happening. And
I feel like they're setting her upto no longer be like Rick's family.
Like you know, when she wastrying to, you know, figure out
Dana quote unquote, you know,she's like, oh, I would call

(35:45):
him a friend, but that's toocavalier. Basically he's family, right,
And I'm like, okay, Soshe you could tell that they had a
really strong friendship by her doing afavor for him, right drinking with him.
I'm hanging out with him, ButI feel like she's about to flip.
She's gonna flip on him, mmhmmm, in a way that he

(36:07):
probably isn't entirely surprised by her personality, but I probably thought that he would
have a little more wiggle room withher, and she's not about to show
him none, none of it.Well, and if Okafer had had stayed
alive, I don't think that wouldbe an issue with her, you know,
because she would have blindly followed himwherever he led. But he's gone

(36:30):
now. And you know she's evensaying I'm not him. You know he
had this you know, sure hehad this plan, and I know that's
why he saved me and saved you. But I don't know she's she's way
you know, she's waffling on theplan. She's a hard person, she's
very hardened. She's I don't know, she's got like it feels to me

(36:54):
like she's got no empathy at all. Right, like she's decided and that's
that and get on board or I'mgonna have to kill you. Right.
And the thing it is, I'mpretty sure that even if Rick or Micheue
let it slip, you know,that's my husband or that's my wife,

(37:14):
I don't think that that's gonna swayher judgment. I think that might actually
even make her more likely to killher. Oh definitely. I mean she
was trying to kill her out therewhen they were, you know, planting
that sound machine thing. She hadher in her sights and saw and decided,

(37:36):
okay, I'm gonna step in andjust stop this. Yeah, because
you shot and he had that walkerin front of her, so instead of
that shot going to Micheau and itwent into the walker. Yeah, he
was going to kill and he sawit. He saw it, so he
already knows. He knows his daysare number with her. He's he's she's

(37:58):
gonna kill her because she causes abig problem for her now, like,
hey, you you, I gotthis girl in here based on your word
and she crazy. She should she'sshowing her ass. Basically, she can't
follow order. She can't do this. It's looking making me look bad.
Well, And the funny thing isis, you know, from everything we
saw at her from the first episode, she was a royal pain in the

(38:21):
ass too. She was how thetables turned once you have a little bit
of power, right, you know, Michaud may have you know, maybe
exactly the way she was when shefirst came in. But that's different because
you know, I'm not okrefer buthe she could be. She could be.
She could be, And obviously theythink enough of her that they promoted

(38:45):
her to Okufer's position. They promotedher so that obviously she said that and
their Brick was going to get apromotion too. But she's spying on him.
M hm. He she is goingto be reporting up to what's his
face? What Rick is up?To he doesn't trust Rick, Yeah,

(39:08):
he doesn't. He even says,so he hands him that book and says,
I want to trust you, butI can't. Yeah. So general
Beale, he knows their friends orthey have a friendly relationship, and he's
told her whatever he thinks she needsto hear to get her on his side,

(39:30):
which seems to be working. Andnow Pearl is going to be anti
Rick. Yeah. Well, andhere's the thing. Pearl doesn't have anything
to lose anymore. She's lost everything. She's lost her husband, she's lost
her community, she's lost her family, she's lost everything. She the only
thing she has left is a CRM. And that's the other thing the CRM

(39:52):
wants, they don't They want thepeople that come in have no ties to
the outside world, you know,to have within the community. They want
those things. They want people toconnect and you know, make families and
stuff. But that's because it's strengtheningthe the community. And you know,
so Pearl has that. But Rick, on the other hand, knows,

(40:16):
you know, he sees him.Obviously, Mashone is there. He knows
as of when you know, whenshe left that you know, Judith was
still alive, right, And yeah, you know, so, I mean,
it's been it's been a minute,you know. You know what,

(40:39):
Caesar makes a great point in thecomments, Pearl seems to be much more
like a Jadas type of a thana rickor Machone type of a. Oh
yeah, and that is spot on. I would absolutely agree with that.
She has the ability to lead andinfluence, but she also drinks the kool
aid real fast. Yeah, wellshe's again. You know, Rick and

(41:02):
Mashone have stuff that they still haveto lose, and Pearl doesn't and Jadas
doesn't. Right, you know,Jada's didn't have I mean, she had
her crazy, crazy ass followers,but she didn't have family, you know,
and they you know, her followerswere really only a means to an
end, and you know she abandonedthem the minute that they became inconvenient.

(41:27):
So that is a great also pointas well, because that may tie into
the psychology of why they want peoplewho are on their own, even if
they end up being A's. Ifyou have nothing else in the world,
then you're more likely to fall inline agree with what they're trying to do
because you've got nothing else. Right, you want to be a part of

(41:49):
something, You want to believe insomething, and people like to be it
is. It is our human natureto want to belong to something larger than
ourselves. We like to have familyand community and a sense of purpose when
when we are left alone, wedon't do well as human beings. You

(42:13):
know, there's a reason why,you know, solitary confinement is considered one
of the worst punishments in the world. We do not do well on our
own. Mm hmmm. So yeah, isolating them, separating them and keep
and only and focusing them only onone thing, getting into the city,
and then once you're into the city, then focusing on maintaining the city,

(42:37):
redirecting them towards you know, thecommunity goals. And it makes sense,
Like I said, it makes sense. But again, the whole secrecy thing.
If you know, they could tellpeople, if you come in,
you will never leave our you know, you will never leave the inside of
these walls. You know, ifyou're coming in, you're leaving behind everything.

(43:00):
It would actually be a little biteasier to get the people they want
if they were a little more openabout it. Yeah, I think it
would be because not only would youdraw those people who want someplace new,
like that girl that Maschallne was talkingto Yeah, you know, She's like,
yeah, this is going to begreat. Everyone's treated well here.

(43:20):
Hell, I was sleeping in trees, and you can cricket or whatever.
You're going to find those people reallyeasily. They're going to be seeking you
out and they'll do whatever you tellthem to do to get in the pearly
gates exactly. I mean. Andthe thing of it is, they don't
even have to get the location ofthe city. They could have you know,
meeting points throughout the country, youknow. Yeah, and with that,

(43:43):
you know, but and with thelittle broadcast, it's if you come
to us, you come to usalone and you leave behind everything. Oh,
they'd have a lot of people withouteven trying exactly. They can get
exactly the kind of people without thewholesale slaughter, you know. But that
would just be too like right andtoo easy. Oh yeah, I mean,

(44:05):
I mean, like I said,you know, the simple solutions often
elude us. And it also doesn'tgive us a good, you know,
tense storyline. And I get that, I do, and and I do
know some of these shows just theydo things just for the the story continuation,
and I get that, But again, the I've really we have been

(44:29):
hinted at since Fear of the WalkingDead that there is a bigger picture here
with the CRM. That then continuedwith the world Beyond, and then we
even saw you know, some onthe periphery in Darryl Dixon. So you

(44:50):
know, of this big plan theCRM has. We don't know what it
is. It would really be niceat some point, honestly, and I
don't know that we'll ever get it, but it would really be kind of
nice to know what the entire briefingwas, you know, what is making
what is making people drink the koolaid. I don't know if we'll ever
know, to be honest, AndI'm hearing people are like guessing maybe they're

(45:15):
trying to consider a season two mmhmm. So even though originally I thought
this was supposed to be one season, maybe there may be more. Right.
I think initially it was just goingto be, you know, as
I understood it when they first decidedto describe the movies, it was going
to be four to six minisos,or not minisos, but a four to

(45:37):
six mini series. And now thatit's it's it's hitting. I've heard the
same rumors that they're considering doing asecond season, so maybe with some forethought
into that, they've decided to holdsome stuff back. But I guess we'll
know really fast because we're halfway throughthe season right now. Right man,

(45:59):
it's going by quick, I know. And can I say I found one
thing like exceptionally hilarious, and Ibet you know what I'm talking about.
So for once, for once,someone pointed out that god awful haircut.
Oh yeah, thats Rick says toher, you're a hero with a haircut.

(46:24):
Basically here, you're a hero inyour own mind with a fucked up
haircut, Yes, haircut whatever,he said. I'm like, my god,
that haircut is dreadful. And Ifeel like I said that when she
showed up on World Beyond Here wego. I bet she feels horrible having

(46:44):
to wear her hair like that.Oh yeah, I mean, but I
mean it does in some ways reallydistinguish her from anyone else. And you
know, not that not that shewasn't distinctive, you know, when she
was had her following crazy people,but that haircut, it really does kind
of set her apart. Yes,And and I think in a way that's

(47:07):
kind of her showing that her dedicationyou know, the bowl cut, you
know, shave thing. I don'tknow, but yeah, she's she is
militant. I swear in this photoI'm showing it looks like Andrew Lincoln is
looking at her hair and not herface. He is, he's looking at
her hair. Oh could you not? You know, it's distracting. The

(47:30):
hair is distracting. And yeah,in all the times that we have seen
her since, you know, sinceshe has shown up back again, not
a single person until then, untilthis last episode did anyone say anything about
her horrible haircut. Oh my god. Oh and there were plenty opportunities too,
like wow, oh yeah, thequickness, yeah, right there.

(47:54):
And we even know so well,so this is taking place, so we
know it beginning Rick is watching thefall of Oklahoma or Omaha. All right,
so we know that that took placeat the near the very end of
world beyond. And so Jadis hasalready gone and done all of her terrible

(48:20):
things. And apparently she's done withall that now because now she's you know,
working on this headquarters thing. Soshe's done all the terrible things to
the children, and you know,and again she is still drinking the kool
aid. She knows she was apart of Omaha falling, and she is
still on board, still on work. So because she believes whatever their dream

(48:46):
is, whatever their endgame is,the end justifies the means, Like,
whatever it is, it's big enoughfor her to be cool with whatever,
right, and it just you know, I this has got to be a
plan given by God, honestly atthis point as far as I'm concerned,

(49:06):
because it's we're talking about wholesale slaughterof people. And Rick doesn't even know
that the CRM is responsible for Omaha. You know, very few people are.
But you know, but the onesthat are who are still on board,

(49:28):
they're doing this without question. They'redoing this without wondering is this a
good idea? You know? Andthen all the stuff there at the satellite
facility, you know, in theworld, beyond everything going on there,
it's you know, I mean,these people are doing some awful things and

(49:51):
they have apparently a shared vision,but I really it would be nice to
know what that vision is. Yeah, I hope they let us know it
better be it better be good Ifit comes bs, I'm gonna be like,
what that's not worth all of whatyou're doing it. And that's exactly
why I don't think we'll ever findout all of it, because I don't

(50:12):
think there is enough that they couldsay to make the audience want to buy
into the CRM being, you know, being okay with what the CRM is
doing. Yeah, I mean,unless it's okay as soon as we get
everyone gathered together, we have avaccine and we'll get rid of the zombie

(50:36):
virus in your system, and thenwe're all going to Mars. You know,
I don't know, you know,I'm not saying that that's the plan,
but I mean it would have tobe something to me to justify all
of this carnage. That would haveto be the justificase. I mean that
would that would have to be theprize. It would have to be a
There has to be a big prize. Yeah. I am curious to see

(51:00):
though. You know, they kepttalking about how this site had to be
ready for all the brass that wascoming. Right, So apparently General Beal
isn't it Now there's a whole conglomerateof people probably that control him a little
bit, And I'm really curious tosee what those people look like, who

(51:22):
they are, how that interaction goes, I'm a guessing we're gonna see them.
Yeah, I think the way thatthey're talking, I think we will.
I'm also kind of wondering if theyall get eaten, it wouldn't surprise
me because honestly, at the way, like I said, they've been killing

(51:43):
people off left and right. Soyeah, why not do we need more
people sticking around for more seasons?No? Yeah, you know, now
I do know this because these arethe these are the ones that are putting
the plan together. You know,if they all get eaten, what happens?

(52:04):
I don't know. That'd be aninteresting question that would be at that
point. At that point, itdoes put Rake in a position of power.
Yeah, but I'm curious to seehow they're going to play off what
happened to them. Like, weknow they're not done with the CMRM.
Lord Heaven, we know they're notdone with them. They're not going to

(52:27):
run off it to the sunset.Yeah, they have a temporary kind of
moment to get their lives together andfigure out something to do. But we
know they're gonna be found and takenback, and the question is going to
be how do they make them believewhat happened what excuse are they going to
give? Like, what, howare you going to play that off?

(52:49):
I think we're gonna find out reallyquickly, which is great because they have
to move on. Yeah, butI mean I can see them saying something
to the effect of, there's somuch turbulence. We got knocked out of
the helicopter. Well, of coursewe got knocked out. Do you think
we actually just jumped? We don'twant to die, you know? And
truthfully, do you really think thatwe would be dumb enough to jump out

(53:13):
of an airplane without a you know, without a shoot or anything else in
the middle of a storm. Youknow, somebody has one, one of
them has one. Yeah, youknow, we know Ma Shone would do
it, because she did, andwe know Ma Shone. But again,
most people, most people it presentedwith the truth with an incredulous voice.

(53:35):
Well scoff and go, yeah,okay, whatever, You're right. That
was dumb. I don't even knowwhy I asked why you if you would
have jumped voluntarily out of a helicopterin a storm, that was just stupid.
You know. Dorm malfunction is whatwe're gonna go with, you know.
But you know, on the otherhand, they know Rick and they
know how many times he tried,how the man cut off his hand.
Who would get that's true, thatthis is true. Okay, I'll give

(53:59):
you that. So, I meanit should be interesting to see how this
plays out. I mean, weknow that they're not going to kill Rick
Off next episode. We know we'renot. They're not gonna kill Michhone either.
That's the one good thing that wedo know for certain. That both
of them will live through the endof the season. No one. I
mean, it's in the title.For God's sake, they will live and

(54:23):
live. And honestly, that kindof makes it low steaks in a way.
But I don't really, I'm nottoo bothered by it, you know,
I mean, everyone else can getit, everybody right. Well.
I think it also helps because,unlike The Walking Dead or Fear of the
Walking Dead or the World Beyond,it doesn't have a big cast of characters.

(54:49):
Okay, we have at this pointMicheon, Rick Pearl and and really
that's that's it. And Jadis.I mean, we have other people that
are in and around and about,But this is a story of four people,
right all right, and how theyare influencing and moving and you know,

(55:15):
affecting each other. So you know, if if we lose Ricker Machone,
then we kind of lose the storyline. And you know, it's not
like again, it's not like TheWalking Den when we have a cast that
you know, we have forty peoplewho are all you know, a big
part of the story where we haveso many people were starting to lose track

(55:38):
of them. This is a storyof four people. It was five ones
dead now you know, Okaffer whostarted the whole thing. And so yeah,
I mean I don't really you know, the fact that we know that
Rickha Micheone are going to at leastmake it to the end of the the

(55:59):
you know, the series, right, absolutely, honestly, we still have
a lot of piggybacking to do,right. We know this is essentially a
love letter to the fans, right, we know they're not gonna screw us
in that way. A lot ofpeople are even expecting and hoping for more
reunions like with Morgan and other things. There are other things to do besides

(56:21):
worrying about killing these two, soright, you know, so and there
was even some you know, thereare some rumors that you know, Ricky
Macheone could somehow end up over withDarryl Dixon or God or at least if
not with them, but there bethat cross communication across the ocean. Okay,

(56:49):
I've got to believe we got toremember why these actors left these shows
to begin with. Yeah, Ican't believe that neither one of them would
sign up for a long term haulagain in this universe, right. Well,
like I said, I like Isaid, the rumors that I've heard,
and I don't know how much becauseagain we do know that over in

(57:12):
you know, the people that arewith Daryl Dixon have do have some connection
with the CRM whatever whatever it is. So Darryl finding out that Rick is
still alive somehow on his side ofthe pond, would you know, would
not be out of the question.Rick and Micheon and France. No,

(57:35):
Well, like I said, Idon't know that they'll show up on the
set, but to find out thatthe others are alive, I could see.
Yeah. And I mean there wasthat one thing that you know,
kind of brought Carol forth on thatshow. She was saying somebody was back,
and we don't know who. Shewas saying, there's some some people
said Rick, But I don't thinkso some people. I don't know who

(57:57):
it was, but I don't thinkit was Rick, but people are and
people were speculating at the time itcould have been him, but I doubt
it. I mean, we're gonnasee. Yeah, like I said,
there is there is that connection there. So it could have been Morgan,
Morgan's back, Oh yeah, yeah, Morgan and his kid, you know,
and so yeah, because we didget that, you know that that

(58:22):
last message and Marble. Yeah,So I don't know. I hope that
they don't cross. I'm okay withmore shows crossing, but I kind of
want this to stay in its happybubble. This show is really good and
I feel like if you start crossingit again with other things, it's gonna

(58:44):
start getting diluted again. It's gonnabe diluted and not as good as it
is in season one. Right,They're not gonna be able to keep this
up. Gimbal cannot keep this up, but not without help from the other
two. Right. Well, Andlike I said, it's hard to say
because we've only got how many episodesleft, three? Three, you know,

(59:07):
So, I mean we're in threeshort weeks We're going to find out,
you know. Yeah, we will. We will find out because there's
a lot of ground to cover.Even if they do decide to go with
another season, there's a lot todo mm hmm and make it make sense.
And you know, I saw somepeople complaining about the time jumping.

(59:28):
Did you see that? No,I actually didn't see that. I am
not bothered by it at all becausewe need it. We need it.
And again, they are good aboutmarking time, so they're not just doing
this stuff and we're out there likewilly nilly, like when is this?
How am I going on? What? Yeah? So they're good with marking

(59:50):
time, and I'm okay with itbecause they need to explain in huge,
you know, a lot of informationreally quickly, and we need to jump
from here to there. They don'thave three seasons to draw this out.
That would be so boring, right, well, and I really think that
they They did a really good jobin two episodes, actually an episode and

(01:00:14):
a half, honestly bringing us upto date on the seven last year,
well seven years for breaking two yearsfor mashone, you know. Yeah,
and so we now know that.So we're two years into it with mashone,
so that would be before the theI'm trying to remember when the Commonwealth

(01:00:37):
came in for mashone. I don'tknow where they're at exactly on the other
timeline. As far as someone's timeline, someone made one. I know where
is it? If you don't knowme, send it SIMI a link.
Someone has one. I know someonehas done the math for us. I'm
kind soul, but you know,but like I said, so, but

(01:00:58):
they did a really good job catchingus up in a in a way that
made sense, that didn't you know, draw things out. It didn't just
waste our time. And it hitthe highlights mm hmm, which is what
we needed them to do. Hitthe hit the highlights right. So and
you know we we need these smallbits of flashback to make what's going on

(01:01:22):
right now make sense. Yes,yeah, we need, we need.
I think they did just enough,just enough, and because it's just as
important to focus on what's happening now. So they caught us up for now.
So I don't know, do youthink we have more time jumps ahead?

(01:01:43):
Do you think we'll jump again atthe end? They buy it's you
know, they're very well bite mmhm. You know because in episode three
again we did some more flashbacks,so we got to a look at Jada's
before she joined the CRM. Youknow, she was part of the community.
Isn't this great? Have some fries, but the onion rings are to

(01:02:04):
die for. I mean, she'sall in. We're looking somewhat normal and
happy. Yeah. That's a scarysmile, by the way, Yeah,
got that, Jack Nicholson. Yeah, I was just thinking, she's got
that joker smile in. Yeah,you know. And then and then when
we see her again, you know, in her current incarnation of you know,

(01:02:25):
Jada's the military person again, sheis all in. H So we
needed that little you know that tosee the relationship to her and Rick had
makes the relationship she has now withhim make more sense. Yeah. And
they didn't dwell on it. Youknow, it was like, what five

(01:02:46):
five minutes. It wasn't very long. It didn't need to be. It
didn't exactly. Yeah, we gotwhat we need it from it exactly.
And that's why I said, I'mnot upset by you know, they're not
They're not dragging us through a lotof useless information. M M. You

(01:03:06):
know, they are giving us theseflashbacks so that we can kind of see
that the past. You know howthese past interactions are affecting these current dynamics,
right, and without those flashbacks,the current dynamics wouldn't make as much
sense. I agree. So youknow all that to say, y'all get
on board with the time jumps.It's fine, it's good, I think.

(01:03:29):
Well, I mean, think aboutit. If we had just jumped
in with Brick, you know,in his uniform, you know, looking
all confused and you know, browbeaten, we wouldn't you know, we would
kind of go okay, yeah,I guess it's been seven years, but
we wouldn't understand, right, youknow, he shows up without a hand
and you know, confused and ahappy Okay, what happened? You know,

(01:03:53):
without that background, we wouldn't getit. You know, we needed
to see miss jones journey to findhim and what she went through so we
could get her now. Yeah,that's the most efficient and quick way to
catch us up without spending hours andhours of time on it. Exactly.

(01:04:15):
Oh yeah, it's fine to me, you know, I'm good with it.
Yeah, And because I don't thinkthe show would work without it.
And honestly, that's one of thethings that I love about how they're doing
this show is because it's so fastpaced and the plot is so tight.

(01:04:35):
The storytelling is tight. I lovethat. I need twenty minutes of meandering
when you're like, what is evenhappening? What does this have to do
with anything? I don't like thatkind of storytelling. I like it when
it's very plot driven damn bam bam, bam bam, and we get some
character development at the same time,right, you know, right, yeah,

(01:05:02):
I mean I you know again,I am having some disagreements with how
Rick is handling mi Shone, butI don't after everything that he's been through,
it's not out of character for him. Now he has got, you
know, the the idea of weneed to keep everything a secret, everything

(01:05:25):
you know. I'm not. Yeah, I couldn't do it. I don't
know why i'd have. I justI'm like, I know this word,
I've said it. Okay anyway,but you know that that he's looking.
I think he's having a hard timeagain sharing with Mishawn the information she needs

(01:05:45):
to understand what's going on. IfI leave, they will kill everyone in
Alexandria and story okay, And that'sall he has to say for her to
go, oh okay, Hey,that raises you know, this isn't about
him wanting to stay or leave,Okay, something more than that. Let's

(01:06:06):
think a little harder, right,Suddenly everything Rick is doing makes sense because
right now she is mad at himbecause she can't figure out why he's doing
this. Why won't you just leave? He's the problem is he's and it's
not his fault and it's not herfault. But he's operating as a single

(01:06:26):
person operates. Right if he forgotwhat it's like to be married to her,
right, he forgot what it's liketo have a partner, Yes,
and it's not his fault. SoI'm not even trying to give him shit
about it, you know, butthat's what the problem. That's Hopefully their
little time out will fix that andsuddenly they'll be on the same page again,
right. And I think as soonas he shares that information with her,

(01:06:50):
she'll get it. I mean sheit's not like she's gonna go ah
nah, they wouldn't do that,because she knows they will, She's seen
them do it. She'll get it, but she won't give up though.
She'll come up with a new plan, right because now you know the idea
that something could threaten Alexandria could threatenJudith, could threaten RJ. Oh,

(01:07:13):
yeah, you know, she'll moveheaven and Earth and destroy the world to
save them. Absolutely. Do youthink she'll tell him about RJ in the
next episode. I kind of thinkshe will. I think so. I
think I know she is going totell him at least before the end of
the season and during their little timeout. You know, if he should
come clean about what's going to happento Alexandria and she should tell him you

(01:07:35):
have a son to raise the stakes. Hmmm. So I have another question.
Do you think that they're in theirtime out they'll have enough time to
have a sex scene, because theysure had enough time to be kissing at
random moments. You know, Ithink they will. Yeah, I'm pretty

(01:07:55):
sure, And honestly, a littlebit I was uncomfortable a little bit.
I'm like, why are you kissingright now? Stop it? Focus?
What are you doing? Look outagain? Fan service here? Okay?
People want you know, I knowthey want to see it. I know
they're gonna they're going to be like, oh yeah, the fans love them.

(01:08:16):
We have to give it. Wehave to give them what they want.
And I kind of agree well,and you know, I was kind
of thinking about this a few minutesago when we were talking about Rick and
kind of forgetting about Micheone. Forseven years, Rick has had that dream
with him and Micheone sitting on thatbench, him bringing pizza, so on
and so forth. Yeah, youknow, the the pre apocalypse, you

(01:08:41):
know, the two of them andher being soft you know this, you
know, kind of funny and lightand soft. Yeah, woman, Yeah,
probably the person she would have beenbefore the apocalypse. And I think
he's having a hard time because inhis that that fantasy of her, that

(01:09:01):
dream of her, is his closestconnection that he has had with her for
seven years. And so now thereality of it is it's not that he
can't see her. I think he'sjust he's having trouble, you know,
you know, and honestly, youknow, your dreams are like your own
subconscious right, yeah, so maybethat is his that obviously that was his

(01:09:27):
coping mechanism, right. He washaving a hard time, He was doing
hard things, he kept, hewas frustrating. His level of frustration was
off the roof, like so high, he couldn't get away. So him
seeing her in the state, Iguess calmed him. He saw what he
needed to see to calm him,right with him, some solace, I
guess, yeah, I don't.But that's not who he's dealing with in

(01:09:50):
reality. No, no, notright now anyway. And he wants to
protect her and he wants to keepher safe, but he's not. I
think the problem is is right nowhe's not really seeing her. No,
he's still stuck in his head.Still, he's still in his own head,

(01:10:11):
and he thinks he knows the best, and he does. To be
fair, he does have more experiencewith that group, which he should absolutely
be sharing with her. He should. What a world would change, you
know, how Michelle's demeanor and howshe was dealing with them would probably change

(01:10:32):
immediately. She would take to heartwhat he told her about not showing herself.
She would take more seriously and maybenot be so cocky because she knows
there's more at risk by him notsharing the proper way. This is what
we're dealing with now. Mm hmm, yeah, because she doesn't understand the
stakes. He understands the stakes,but in an attempt to quote unquote protect

(01:10:56):
her, you know. And theother thing that really does kind of upset
me is the fact that he knows, he knows that the CRM will go
after any community that they feel asa threat. And while he's unaware of
what has been going on, hedoesn't know about you know, the Commonwealth.
He doesn't know about you know,the growing communities that are gathering together

(01:11:20):
and building, you know, downthere. And actually, you know,
Mashaun doesn't really know anymore either becauseshe's been away for so long. Yeah,
she's been gone. But the factis is he is sending her away
without giving her the information that theCRM is dangerous and if they find out
about Alexandria, they will destroy it. Yes, which is another disservice to

(01:11:44):
his whole entire group. Yes,why wouldn't you tell her that? The
reasoning so lou, it's so murky, like, come on, right,
because with that information again, likeI said, is she had that information,
she might have left, not becauseshe wanted to leave Rick, but
to prepare her community for the possibilityof the CRM. Because when you put

(01:12:11):
it that way, she might havebecause at the end of season two,
Natt had convinced her to go home, right, she might have gone home
to save her children exactly. Andthat's why I said what I said.
If she was aware of the stakes, if she understood the threat that the
CRM was to Alexandria, that wasto Judith and RJ and everyone else that

(01:12:33):
she cares about. She loves Rickhands down. We all know she loves
Rick. Okay, yeah, butif she understood what was really at stake
here, it would not surprise meif she left him, even if it
even if it wasn't forever. Becausehonestly, if I was her, I

(01:12:53):
would have sent Carol back, becauseCarol is the perfect person to infiltrate.
Okay, she really is, butshe would not be available. Maybe at
that time she might have been.Yeah, but I'm just and again because
she wasn't you know when when sheleft, Caro was still there, you
know, But no, I meanin her place. As much as I

(01:13:16):
loved you know, if I ifI loved someone like she loved Rick,
and they were in that position.But I knew that my my my children,
my friends, my family, thepeople that I have built this entire
world around were in danger of beingwiped off the map because of the CRM.
And knowing that they are completely unawareof these people, that would be

(01:13:42):
something that I would want to getback to my community. Yeah, it's
not the worst idea, although thinkingof what their goal was for this show,
it's kind of it would just takethem too far off the lead.
Oh yeah, And like I said, I get why they did what they
did. I mean, you know, because it again, if if Michelle
left, and that's kind of theend of the love story, and I

(01:14:03):
get that part. But again,if if she knew what the risks were,
then the decision to stay would havebeen an informed decision. Yeah.
And and honestly, I think whenshe finds out that he did not share
with her, she's gonna be lookingat him like, Oh, she's gonna
be mad. You made to tellme you were gonna send me home and

(01:14:27):
not let me know that everyone welove was that it is at risk?
Is you know you weren't gonna sharethat little bit of information? You know.
Oh, she's gonna be livid.She's gonna understand him a lot better,
she will, But I think she'sgonna be mad for a little bit,
and rightly some rightfully so like sheshe earned that anger. That anger

(01:14:55):
is earned because he should again,he should have told her. He should
have told her the very first chancehe got, so she understood what the
risks were because he's not letting herknow what the risk He's not even really
letting. He did kind of say, if you're an a, you're gonna
get you know, they may killyou. But he put a may in
there, you know. So yeah, he's not really fully sharing the actual

(01:15:25):
reality that she is working in.Now, well he will an episode four.
I feel like there's no other choice. We will get it an episode
four, and I guess we'll seehow long it takes for them to get
back together. We'll get it togetherbetween the two of them, and how
long before we see Michelle with thatsword again. I love Michelle with the

(01:15:47):
sword. I have to say thatwas a cute scene. He's like,
oh, I left a little somethingfor you. I'm like, oh,
that's cute. What does she didwith that sword? Yeah? I don't
know. Maybe she left it outthere or hit it on her way back.
I'm I'm gonna go with she hitit somewhere. Yeah, she hit
it on her way back in,and you know she's down there going out

(01:16:11):
to leave and I'm like, oh, look he he bundled up the walkers
for her so she wouldn't have todo it. I'm like, oh,
taking care of her, you know, save me some work, Thank you
very much. That's cute. Oh, I have high hopes for them.
We're gonna get as fans, we'regoing to get what we want out of

(01:16:32):
this couple. We're gonna get whatwe want. Like I said, I
don't you know, like it's Idon't have any problems with the story writing,
and I even can I under Idon't even disagree with, you know,
the way that they they're having Rick'scharacter act with her, because it's
not you know, after so longof him guarding everything and being alone and

(01:16:56):
in the absolute trauma that he haslived through, what how he's acting is
not technically out of character, whichis why we're both kind of giving him
some grace in that respect. Likeexactly, we know, because they've shown
us what he's been through. Youjust want to like knock him aside the
head a little bit, right,you know, come on, Rick,

(01:17:17):
Remember this is Micheon, you know, the survivor, the you know,
the badass warrior. Come on,you know she can handle it. Yes
she can, Yes she can.We don't you don't need to treat her
like she can't do anything, right. You know, she's not fragile.
No, this is not She isnot a fragile person and never has and

(01:17:41):
never has since she came on thescene. Come on, she came on
the scene with two walkers walking byher. This woman has been a bad
ass since day one. Oh yeah, you know, she she was you
know, she was not She wasnot one of the people that needed saving,

(01:18:03):
you know. And that's not tosay that she has never needed an
assist, but Michau and by andlarge, is completely capable of taking care
of herself. You know. Sheshe's the one that comes up with the
plans and takes care of things andstuff. And and he's kind of treating
her, He's treating her like she'sa sheep from the city. Yeah.

(01:18:28):
Like yeah, like I said earlier, he just forgot who she is.
M h Like, you've been awayfrom her for too long. You need
a refresher, dude. Yeah.So yeah, So I'm looking forward to
the next episode me too, youknow. And Caesar said he's hearing that
episode four is way better than episodethree. That's what the early reviews are

(01:18:50):
saying. So and I mean,I am I'm very excited. I've been
excited every week it's been. It'sbeen a nice change of pace, it
has it's been. Actually, Iwas excited we were able to like do
a little bit of deeper digging onthese two episodes because I felt like episode
one it was so easy and likewe were just loved everything. Right,

(01:19:14):
So even though we love these episodes, I still have really virtually no problems
with them, but we were ableto kind of dig into the psyche of
the characters a little more. Yeah, oh yeah, and you know so
and and if they keep on likeI mean, this is I you know,
we are in episode three and youand I have not come oh my
god. Yeah, yes, itis nice. It's nice. It's refreshing,

(01:19:39):
you know. Yeah. And it'sthey're very tight episodes. They've all
been very tight, and I haveappreciated that same. That's how I like
my books too. Let's chop,chop, get to it. What are
we doing. We don't need alot of filler, No, we don't.
And I think that's by design,because I think they originally thought they

(01:20:00):
were only going to have six episodes, so and it may still be that
way, we don't know, yeah, because you know, second, you
know, a second season at thispoint is just that a rumor, you
know what? And honestly, andI know people just love a good thing,
but there is I think it's okayto have a small, one off

(01:20:21):
situation. I think it's okay tohave intent six episodes and be done with
it because they're gonna be six stellarepisodes instead of trying to drag it out
to appease people. Right that iswhere you get in danger of the it
just going left. The people aregonna be saying, oh, it has
such a strong start, what happened? They right out of material? Yeah,

(01:20:46):
Like, dude, it's okay ifit's only this secular story right here,
and then we kind of feed mashoneback in or if you want to
or not, or we somehow getit a reason why they don't go back
to their kids. You know,something is going to happen. I don't
know. I don't know how they'regonna tie this up. I just don't

(01:21:09):
think it's gonna be a big,happier family reunion at the end, right
So, And and honestly, Iwould be very sad if Micheaune did not
get back to Judith. I'd bemuch more sad about Michelle not getting back
to Judith than Rick, Yeah,because Rick's been gone for so long,
Like Judith essentially grew up without him, so she knows him, but not

(01:21:34):
knows him, right, you know. It's you know, she was what
five maybe I think when he whenhe was taken. Yeah, and that's
too young to remember like strong detailsof someone, right They around calling him
the brave man they you know,and not just for security. I think

(01:21:56):
that's kind of what they just say. She thinks about him in this way.
It's like this third you know,this separate person like I've never heard
her say my father, my dad, you know, I just I don't
know. She might have said itearly on, you know, but just
it's just not coming across my brainright now. You know, mi seOne
has been the parental figure. Darrylhas been the parental figure. Yes,

(01:22:21):
you know, those are the people. It was Micheone and Darryl that raised
her, you know. And youknow, and I'm not saying that she
doesn't have you know, so Rick'spersonality traits, don't get me wrong.
Oh you know, technically Rick's nother daddy, so that's true. But
then again, you know, Shanewasn't all that different from her, you

(01:22:43):
know, different from all from Rick. Honestly, this was weird. Michelle's
like, she's both of us.I'm like, girl, okay, sure,
sure, sure she is, Iguess, but you know, she
is got a lot of Mahaun's personality. Mm hmm. She's got a lot
of it, you know, technically. You know, it's really kind of
sad because technically RJ is is Mashonand Rick, and he's a little uninspiring.

(01:23:09):
I mean, that poor child.We talked about this before that park.
It barely had any lines. Wedon't know what is up. I
think by the time we see himagain, he's going to be an adult
and or at least the older teenat the very least. Yeah, and
you know he'll actually talk well,you know, because it did kind of
crack me up because Judith at theage that they were showing RJ, you

(01:23:35):
know, had a gun, hada little katana, had her hat,
you know, and she was outthere killing walkers. Yeah she was,
you know. And then you've gotRJ. You sheltered, sheltered baby,
read RJ, you know, readingcomic books and being kept safe. You
know, I mean, my god, you know that is just how it

(01:23:56):
goes with the boys and the family, right, the girls, the older
sisters do all the work, andthe baby brothers just play video games.
You know. It's just in away, it just kind of surprises me
because you know, you would thinkthat Racheon would have wanted to raise him
to be as competent as Judith.Yeah. I guess we'll see what Judith

(01:24:16):
does with him. Yeah, becauseJudith is gonna probably even though that's his
sister, she's probably gonna be morematernal to him because Micheon has been gone
for so long now. Well,and we and we were seeing that in
the other you know, where shewas trying to take care of our Jay.
Yes, you know, so,yeah, I can see that.
Yeah, my big sister that youknow act sometimes, Yeah, you know,

(01:24:41):
my big sister, the badass.Yeah, exactly. Geez, so
much going on, y'all, somuch going on in the world. So
I guess we'll see where we gofrom here next week. Yep, I
think we're done. When do youthink, Lisa, I think we are
done. Okay, fabulous, it'sbeen a really fun conversation. Thank you
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