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what did you think? I likedit? I liked it too. I
was shocked. I'm like, ohmy gosh, father Gabriel. No one

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had him on a being go guard. No, I did not. Of
all the people we had discussed,you know, Morgan, you know,
maybe and other people, Gabriel,Father Gabriel was never among them. And
that first scene when you saw thehelicopter you saw him looking up. All
I could think of is oh,crap. Through after Alexandria, Yeah,

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yeah, yeah, I was like, oh my goodness, what is happening.
I was really confused for a moment, and then I start to think.
I'm like, Okay, when wasthe last time we saw him.
I was really trying to remember,and I'm like, was Hee with our
group at the end of the seasontwelve? Yes? Yeah, And I'm

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like, so what happened? Sonow I'm already thinking And then it made
sense later you know, this isnot now. So yeah, well,
I mean, and he was hewas with the group at the end.
You know, what's her name diedand Rositasa and you know, but he
was still around. Yea, Sowe knew that, but it was kind

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of interesting to see because her comingback every year on that same day,
and Father Gabriel was there faithfully,No matter what was what was going on,
and there was bad stuff because he'seven saying, you know, our
crops, you know this, orwe've had problems with that. If we
could just get you know this,that and the other, so you could

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see the progression, you know,as they went down. So actually I
feel like, okay, so wewent back three years so and again it's
like trying to keep the timeline straight. So how long had it been since
she had come back three years agosince she'd seen him, right, you

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know? And then she of course, obviously in the present day he came
and she wasn't there because she waskilled, yep, which was like,
oh, now, I got toask you this, did watching these flashbacks
with Father Gabriel give you any kindof different feeling or opinion on Jada's slash

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Ann's character. Honestly, no,no, no, I mean she's she's
been an all over the map kindof character. I mean, let's face
it, the first time we wereintroduced to Jada's she had her trash can
people and she was basically sitting nakeddoing sculptures. You know, you know,

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she's gone from that to this hardcoremilitary person. But honestly, while
I have liked her her character,and I really have actually liked her character.
I didn't like the character, youknow what I mean. Yeah,
I mean honestly, when I wasthinking back to when her character first showed

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up, I was like, eh, I was grossed out by her character.
To be quite frank, I rememberjust having this really adverse reaction to
her in the early days. Andshe's always had the weird hairstyles too.
Yeah, she's always had strange hairstyles. She's always been quirky. But when

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she showed up in the World Beyond, you know, I was like,
oh, you know, I kindof liked that we saw her again and
again, Like she was the constantthrough all the shows, so I kind
of knew. Though honestly, Iknew she was gonna die in this episode.
I knew it, and I wasgood with it. But seeing the

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flashbacks did make me, I guess, understand that she was a much more
complex character than I wanted to giveher credit for. You know, I
mean, I'll give you that,But here's the thing. Jade's even said
multiple times, you know, inalmost every meeting with Father Gabriel, I

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have done bad things, yes,mm hmm, And she is acknowledging that
these things that they are doing arehorrible and they're not right, and yet
she is willingly participating in them,because again we're going back to the means
justify the ends. And the factis is, most of the time the

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means do not justify the ends.That's just an excuse humans give each other
to do horrible things for a possiblefuture. Yeah hmm, well, yeah,
of course. And she's always shecomes well, every time she sits
with Father Gabriel. You know,she is clearly in conflict with herself,

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right, he doesn't want to letgo of being Anne. But she believes
in whatever that echelon secret is.She believes it wholeheartedly. Oh yeah.
Oh, and again I'm not sayingthat it's not possible to get to a
greater future, but you you don't. You don't make sunshine out of mud,

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right, yeah, you know.I mean it's just every bad,
horrible thing that any government has everdone has been under the heading of the
means justify the ends. We're doinghorrible things right now so that later on
things will be better. And thefact is, I don't know of any

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society that's ever taken that route thathas ended up better in the future.
They just go down the dark pathand never stop true and essentially, you
know and slash jadas she says that. She says, you can be what.
I can't remember the quote verbatim,so I know it's not gonna be
verbatim, guys, But basically,you can be a good person or you

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can look out for the world.You can't be both. You can't be
you know this uprights good person andnot hurt anyone and still save the world.
It's sacrificed, basically. Well that'swhat she thinks. Yeah, but
I mean, at the same time, I'm not saying that to build a

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better future you never have to doanything bad. But if all you do
is bad, you know, whenyou are mowing down entire communities, when
you're killing people who want to gohome to their families, when you drop
mustard gas on people that are justtraveling down a road who have no idea

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that they're not supposed to approach thisarea. Mm hmm. You know that
that's extreme. Yeah, it isextreme. If you if you kill someone
in self defense, that can bejustified. But when you go out of
your way to kill people, mm, then that's an issue, and
they are going out of their wayto kill people, right, They're they're

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intentionally hunting down potential leaders in othercommunities and killing them. Mm hmm.
You know, because there might bea threat many generations from now. Oh,
shut up, right right? Youknow that again in my book,
it's just an ext And I think, honestly Jadis knew it was an excuse.

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But I think the real reason,more than anything, was there at
the very end when she was talkingto Rick and Michone and she says,
I've lost every community. And Ithink she just desperately wanted something that was

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stable, that seemed that it couldendure. And to her, the CRM
could endure because you know, itdid all these bad things. I can't.
I mean, honestly, it didendure. Think about it. It
did the whole time she was withthem, and before that. Yeah,
you know, they have all theseresources that no other group that she's been

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a part of has had. Right. You know, even when we think
back to when she and Rick,you know, Rick is better and they're
walking around, She's eating fries andtalking about the better restaurant, right,
you know, so in her mind, this is it, right, And
and again I'm not saying that beingable to eat French fries in a safe

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environment isn't a but the cost ofthat, you know, is immeasurable.
She's definitely a morally very very darkgray, very dark gray. I wouldn't
I don't know if I would classifyher as a traditional villain. She's not

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a villain. I don't think she's. I mean, there have been times
where she has been villainous, don'tget that wrong. You know, some
of the things, some of theshady things that she did when she was
first introduced with the trash camp peoplewas shady and things that she did on
the world beyond, let's face it, we're shady. Absolutely, yeah,

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But as a person, you know, she's not. Again it, no
person ever makes themselves the bad guyin their own narrative. You know.
You know, she thinks she's doingthe right thing. She absolutely does.
But I do think somewhere, deep, deep down inside she is questioning the

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thing she does because she keeps goingback to Father Gabriel. Yeah. Absolutely,
And at the end, at theend, she definitely knows what's really
right and wrong, because what doesshe do. She tells them where to
find the paperwork, that she left. Yeah, but again that still came

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with a caveat, please don't hurtthe CRM. You know, the show
went, uh no, exactly.I mean, honestly, I can't understand
why she Why do you Brick andher keep trying to make a deal.
Every time they make a deal,it goes left every single time, like
why are you making deals with her? Well, I think, honestly,

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I don't think it was a truedeal. I think they were just they
knew that she would double cross,and so she was it was just a
way to better position themselves. Hewas like, they knew Michelle and him
knew they weren't gonna do a deal, but she thought they were going to
do a deal. And I'm gonnahoo, whoop out my gun on you?

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And then he's like, well Igot something else for you because I didn't
believe you either. So it wasa mess. Even though I feel like
ultimately Rick didn't want her to die, I feel like he wanted to find
a way to not kill her,and obviously Michelle was like, no,
dude, she has to go thewhole time. Even for all that she

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has made Rick miserable, she didsave his life and and I know he
feels that mm hmm. And andhe has seen people throughout the entire community
every time they when they get thebriefing, when they go over to the
other to the other side, youknow that that transformation. And he's not

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it's not that he is against thecity. It's it's you know, it's
the the methods and and the madnessof the CRM itself is what he has
struggled with. And now that hethe spell on it has been broken,
you know, he knows, heknows that this is not. While a

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very small percentage of the population maybenefit, the majority will suffer the CRM
it continues. Yeah, definitely.And I mean, honestly, Michelle was
right at the end. The peoplein that city, that's not them.
That's not what they're doing. Theydon't know what the hell's going on,
to be honest, they have noidea. Yeah, So if they could

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just make this huge revelation, youknow, and expose and try to stop
them, making set the M quoteunquote on a different path, they could.
I'm not sure exactly how this is. You know, I'm kind of
having flashback flashback notions to Oh what'syour name? From the final season of

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The Walking Dead, you know,when when they decided we're going to expose
her. Yeah, you know,so it's kind of having a little bit
of that flavor. I did though, I did really enjoy some of the
little the toothpaste. Oh, thatwas cute. The tooth because as soon

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as he said that, I'm like, oh, I remember and that because
that was the first episode that wewere introduced to Jesus. Yeah, and
you know that that whole truck fiascoand he was out there looking for toothpas
for her. Yeah, he wantedto get her that toothpaste so bad.
And I mean, I guess whenyou think about it, like, wow,

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that was season six, I thinkthat was so long ago. Yeah,
they were. They did actually quitea few little flashbacks the cant the
There was a candy bar moment Ithink, which was a flashback to her
and uh Carl m and gave heran M necklace that she had before,

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even how the original M necklace hadnothing to do with Rick, but still
it's a M necklace, you know. So there's all these just I mean,
these little they weren't like rub yournose in it. There were just
these little things. And the noodleswere funny. I know, the noodles
were kind of funny. Actually,that whole beginning was so cute. They're
playing that song and it's like,oh, look at them. They're having

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great luck for everything, and that'sjust eating their noodles and getting pop and
killing walkers. It's just like thisany moon of sorts. It was.
But then when they meet the threepeople, she took the noodles away.

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Oh my god, the look onhis face. He's like, really,
really, you're gonna take the noodles, Like, yeah, they tried to
kill us, Yeah, they deservenoodles them. When you pull it up,
you don't get noodles. Basically,like, look, you lost the
privilege of these noodles. Okay,I don't know why, but I was

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cracking up just watching her snatch thosenoodles away. Honestly, there was so
much comic relief, like bits hereand there again to kind of relieve the
I guess, seriousness of everything,because even these fools right here, you
know, they actually thought they weregonna be able to overtake them, and

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was shown is like, do youwant to like take that back? Rick's
like, yeah, we can wheelthis, you can just roll this back
a little bit and we start again, and they're like no, and they
just take them out. They justhave him on the ground in two seconds.
And then he was reds like canwe roll back now? Can we
do it? No? No,he's done. No, we're done.
You know, let's snashing back thenoodles. Yeah, Like they tried,

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they tried to like give him achance, and it's like the hilarity of
that was just too funny. LikeI think Michean's face was giving me like,
what the fuck is this? Likewhat is happening? You've got to
be kidding me? Yeah, her, she was just incredulous, you know,
are you kidding me? Are youkidding me? Like, look,

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we try to our instinct is tohelp people out, and look what happens,
right, So you know, andeven when Jada's you know, zip
tied him up she wanted to haveshe couldn't just kill him because she could
just shot him in their sleep,yeah, and instead she had to wake

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him up and zip time and dothis whole why I'm right speech. Oh
my god. Though that scene wasactually kind of funny to me though,
like when she's like wake up lovebirds or whatever, she says to them
they jump out that bed. It'sso funny. I just kind of laugh,
like again, like I know,this is a serious moment, but

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I thought it was kind of funny. And like I said, in that
whole thing with jadis in her Ohno, this isn't guilt. This is
just me explaining how you lost andwhy you lost and why it's okay.
No, that's you know, thisis like what she was doing with Father
Gabriel. This was her trying tojustify the bad that she has done.

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She wants, she desperately wants Rickto agree with her, and he will
not ever, and he will not. Honestly, she missed her chance to
But of course it's a part ofthe story, right. But Michelle called
it, you missed your chance.She should have shot us when we were
sleeping, right because now it's neverYou're never gonna be able to take us

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out now, And I think sheultimately knew that. But her wanting to
give her villain speech. It alwaysmesses people up too much talking. It
always catches you, you know,kind of it's kind of like putting the
lasers on the sharks. Yeah,but you know, but I really think

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because she is such a true believer, all right. I think there's this
part of it hurts her to haveRick not not agree, you know what
I mean, And she wants,she needs him to say, yeah,

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you were right, you were justified, you know, because she you know,
that's why she keeps going back toGabriel. You know, she wants
both absolution and an admission that sheis doing the right thing. And she's
not getting it. You know,she didn't get it from Father Gabriel and

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she's not getting it from Rake.And and I think that's you know,
part of her part of what tearsher in half, you know, the
between the jadas and the ant mmhm. And you know it's it's it's
said, I didn't get any Ididn't feel any additional sympathy for her.

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This is someone who has open eyeddone bad things, acknowledged that she is
doing bad things, and yet continuesto try to find justifications for doing them.
Yeah, I agree with you.I don't I think that she Like
I said earlier, I do thinkshe's a more complex character character than I

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originally wanted to get her credit for. But I still think that doesn't make
me feel bad for her. Shegot what she got Yeah, and in
a lot of ways, she gotwhat she deserved. Yeah, she actually
did. And I, like Isaid, I knew going into this episode.
I'm like, she's got to die. There's no way that they would

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let her live and be able tokind of close this story loop, you
know what I mean. She hasto die. She is the person that
is walking on She is pulling Rick'schain since the day she rescued him,
quote unquote you know, so she'sbeen yanking Rix change since the minute she

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met him. Honestly, Yeah,so it's like for this to end,
like for them to move forward withthe plans, with whatever. She had
to be put out of the situation. And to be fair, you know,
yes he did have to you know, put her out of her misery
so speak. But ultimately they didn'treally kill her. She got bit so

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still he kind of can say hehas a clean conscience in that way.
He didn't just coleheartedly just kill her. So I guess he's kind of getting
out of it, you know.And honestly, traditionally, when in books
and stuff, I don't like whenthere's an easy out. I like the
characters to make a hard choice.And Rick got it easy out. Jade

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is being you know, mauled.Obviously she was gonna turn. So he
put her out of her misery,which is what you know he would do.
But I kind of would have appreciatedhim being not that Michewne had like
the best train of thought on this. But at least she knew what had
to be done. And Rick waslike, no, you know, although

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by this happening to her, youknow, and they had their little chat.
You know, she at least gavea she was hiding the information,
m M. And I don't believethat if her death had not been imminent
by another means other than them,she wouldn't have gave it up. She
wouldn't have given it up. No, she wouldn't have. So you know

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it. You know, this wasthe of all the outcomes. This was
the best possible outcome. It was. I would give them that. It
is the best outcome. I justI don't know. I just have to
acknowledge that Rick's character got the easyout, so he has nothing to feel
guilty or bad about. He tried. He did try, Yeah, God,

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you know, God bless him.He tried his own detriment like again,
like oh my God, like comeon people. You know, it's
well and in some ways too italso because of what she was saying and
stuff, it did actually motivate them, not just to to not just head

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back to Alexandria, sorry, notjust head back to Alexandria, but too
you know, they're like, Okay, now we have we have a plan.
Now we're going to you know,go there. We're going to get
this information and then we're going todestroy the CRM and then we're going to
go home. Right right, wegot to take care of this business first,

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because clearly things are out of control. And I think, you know,
originally Michelle ultimately said this when shewas trying to talk him, you
know, back into reason. She'slike, it's not your responsibility. They're
not your responsibility. Fixing this CRMisn't your responsibility. But ultimately she realizes,
well who else is going to doit? Right exactly? I don't

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think she necessarily wants to fix it. She wants to help the city take
control of it. Yeah, whichis I guess a different way of fixing,
not the same type of fixing Rickwas talking about that may or may
not happen over decades of time,right, Like, let's nip this in
the butt immediately and move on,because again, I mean, there's the

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some parts of the CRM are areworthy, you know, I mean,
the the trying to save people,the bringing back you know, comforts,
and and for those in the city, it's it's not a terrible existence once
they're there. Mm hm, youknow it's not. And and they all
acknowledge, you know, they theyhad to go through hell to get there,

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you know, but they had theyhad choice, right, and you
know, and that's more than anything, what everyone needs to have in a
situation like this. If they wantto join the CRM, that's that's great,
that's fine, but it's got tobe their choice. Yeah, I

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agree. I do wonder though,like what is gonna So apparently, you
know, Jada's felt very strongly aboutonce you hear this echelon thing this,
you know, once you get tothe plan, you'll understand, right,
And even Pearl's character kind of shiftedonce she heard what the plan is,

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right, what is it? SoI'm wondering. I can't help but have
a little nagging feeling what will happenwhen Rick hears it? Is he going
to try to backpedal a little bit? Or will he hear it and say
this shit is crazy? No,you know, I'm kind of I'm kind

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of of the opinion if he hadheard the briefing before seeing the shone again,
he probably would have drank the koolaid. H But I don't think
he will anymore. No, Idon't think so. I hope not because
and honestly so again, like wedon't know, nobody knows what's next,

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No one knows if this is theand or not. I hope they have
something definitive for us next week.But I check the runtime on next week's
episode, and I think it's likeforty five to forty seven minutes according to
a couple of articles I saw.So it's not an extraordinarily long episode.

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So what can you do in fortyseven minutes? What needs to happen?
I mean, you can blue someshit up, yeah, And I do
feel like they could tie it upin forty seven minutes. You might not
get every I dotted in every Tcross, but maybe you don't need to,

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right, But I don't know.I'm really curious now because they've got
a lot to do in one episode, and then we still, you know,
on our wish list, right,if this is supposed to be the
end. As you know, wekeep getting indicators they will see him again.

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You know, he's trying to pickup something for RJ. You know
he Please don't call him Junior,No one does. Right. They're bringing
back, you know, gifts andstuff that the plan is to see the
children. We want the reunion,right, So they have to do what
they need to do with the CRM, and they need to get all the
way back home and see their kids, which they are back. They're tracking

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back to go take care of theCRM, So they are going away from
Virginia, right, So, Idon't know. I'm curious to see maybe
we'll get a time jump. Idon't I'm really trying to figure out how
they can make all these things happenin forty seven minutes. I'm not one
hundred percent sure. I'm gonna bereal truthful. I don't know. Yeah,

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none of us know. I thinkeveryone's kind of scratching their heads right
now. And this show has donea spectacular job keeping the secrets under wrap,
Like no one talked about Father Gabriel, no one, there was no
leak. So honestly, I'm ratherimpressed by that. If you really want
to be truthful. Yeah, metoo. And no one is. No

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one is spoiling that last episode.Nobody. I haven't seen anything. So
of course all of us are kindof having our own guesses, right,
but no one is saying I sawthe last episode. You know, no
one is waving that flag around,right, so they I don't know how
they managed to keep the lid onthis, but they did, you know,

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And and it wasn't just like ahe didn't do just a voiceover,
you know what I mean, Hehad a he was a significant part of
this episode. Yeah, you know, so he had to have been on
set for a while. Oh yeahto see do all of these scenes.
Absolutely he was, and no oneknew and that was impressive. Yeah,

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so, you know, good onthem, And you know, I realize
they have a lot to wrap upfor next week, but I'm gonna be
real truthful. I'm not super worriedabout it, you know me either,
because they've done amazing things this season, things that none of us would have

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guessed would have happened. But everythingis cohesive, everything makes sense. Yeah,
uh, because honestly, from episodeto episode, we just don't know
what's gonna We just didn't know,right, And they've had these gentle little
callbacks that have been just beautiful littletouches, and you know, the you

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know, and like you said thatno one calls him junior, and you
know, just he's little things thathave been just really nicely done. And
and even that final scene with thetwo of them, you know, when
Rick goes down on you know,he goes down so cute, you know,
with the ring that Father Gabriel hadfound, you know, and and

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then she leans down, you know, then she kneels down with them,
and I mean, she's It wasa really good moment. I mean,
it was a it was it madesense, It wasn't strained, It didn't
make me want to groan because theyknow they're about to do something really really
dangerous. Oh yeah, and he'slike, I need to let this woman

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know exactly how I feel about hernow, because there's no other time.
There's no other time, you know. And then and although they really have
to be kind of wondering, well, how did she know about the ring?
How do you know the Father Gabrielthing? YadA, YadA. You
know that that has to kind ofbeen eating a little bit of Rick because

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that means she's been allowing herself togo back to the community. He desperately
wants to just even make sure itis okay. And she knows, Yeah,
she knows what's going on in thecommunity. Right. I'm guessing he
probably just isn't thinking about it inthis moment because everything is so crazy,
But they're probably gonna think about that. And on the flip side of that,

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though, Father Gabriel has kept hismouth shut about her. Yeah,
he has not told his own community, his own inner circle in life.
I'm like, wow, he keptJadis a secret for years, which for

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the whole time Rick has been gone. Yeah, which I don't know how
I feel about exactly how about it? You know, I feel as weird
as a as a pre and she'scoming to him as in confession. It's
not confession though, I know,but that's what he's looking at it,
as is he though. I mean, that cringe ass kiss came out of

(34:12):
nowhere. Yeah, except he pushedher away, he did. I'm like,
what the hell is that? What'shappening? What is happening? You
know? I think he was,you know, he was looking at this
as you know, confession, tryingto help a lot of soul and trying
to make up for, you know, the things that he feels that he's
done. And you know, becauseyou know, he said, I've heard

(34:37):
people, I've made mistakes. Yeah, and she was. He feels that
she was one of his mistakes,that she left because of him, you
know, he wasn't there enough forher, which really wasn't true. But
you know, he still feels theweight of that, definitely, and he's

(34:59):
trying to bring back what he feelsis a lost lamb back into the family,
back into the fold. You know, I kind of understand that,
but I don't understand that, Like, he doesn't have to tell everyone,
Like you said, why wouldn't youtell the one person you're closest with You

(35:19):
have a covenant with them, don'tyou Yeah, that should take precedence over
everything, except maybe directly with Godhimself, right, I don't know.
I mean, but I mean,if you think about Father Gabriel's character,
it's not really out of character forhim either. No, it's not.

(35:40):
Well, how would his people lookat him if they found out that he
kept that secret from them for solong? Yeah? But you know,
I mean, at the same time, there's the fact that I mean,
he didn't. He has no ideathat she belongs to the CRM. He
has no idea the things that she'shonestly done. Wait for Rick to come
back and tell him where he's beenand what happened to him. Oh yeah,

(36:01):
and then it's all gonna fit.You know, he's gonna be so
pissed off. Yeah, Like,can you believe this shike has been coming
here and it's feeling sad for herselfand questioning her life choices and trying to

(36:22):
be I don't know whatever he thinksin his mind, Jadis is trying to
be or Anna is trying to beand the whole time, Yeah, recks
like basically prisoner. Yeah, likehe's gotta Oh my god, what a
mess. Absolutely, you know.It does make me kind of wonder.

(36:46):
I've heard that there might be asmall tie in at the end with the
Book of Carol at the end ofthis episode, really at the end of
the next episode. Yeah, Okay, I don't know if that's true,
who or not. I don't knowif it's just if they're you know,
they're teasing at a a teaser foryou know, the next Darryl Dixon episode,

(37:07):
or if it's actually some kind ofa you know, we find out
who that person was, so andso's return and it is Rick or what.
But yeah, they they I've heardrumors that there's gonna be some kind
of a at the very end atie and with the Book of Carol in

(37:30):
trusting. So it could be true, might be nothing. Who knows,
you know, again to tell Imean, like I said, none of
us saw Father Gabriel coming. Mhm. So it's very possible, you
know that we might get a littleone off with you know, with Carol.

(37:52):
Yeah, that is so crazy,Like that completely caught everyone off guard.
I saw him. I was like, oh my god, I can't
believe it. It was actually verysmart, very smart the way they utilized
him to kind of close out Jadas'sstory, you know. And even like

(38:13):
you know, at the end,she gets her little even take time to
make her grave. Yeah on itfor Anne. Yeah, aren't we special?
Sorry, I mean, you know, even she gets some proper send
off. I guess although I wouldn'thave hated if she turned into a walker,

(38:36):
I wouldn't have hated it. I'mjust saying, I don't know.
But the last the last scene isthem the helicopter coming coming. Mm hmmm.
Off they go back into danger.I'm just wondering if Rick can pull

(38:57):
this off. I feel that I'mlike, how crazy is that? So
you are the one? Well,he knew where the checkpoint was, so
it makes sense for him to makehis way to the checkpoint right, right,
But they'd have to really buy everythinghe serves up immediately and give him
that briefing. Still want to givehim, General Buale, still want to

(39:20):
give him that briefing without any furtherquestions. True, but they have no
idea that he's encounter Jadas or anythingelse. No, they don't. And
she's just disappeared, right, She'sjust gone. Yeah, I don't know.
It's gonna be interesting to see whathappens, Like the instant they get

(39:44):
back to the CRM, like howthey're received, you know, Oh my
gosh, it's Pearl gonna be like, oh my gosh, you're back,
You're alive, you know. Ina way, I think she's she has
been using Rake to replace her lostperson. Okay, mm hmm, you

(40:07):
know so yeah, I think she'sgonna be really happy to see him,
not so happy to see Michelle.Oh, he's gonna be. She's probably
gonna be like, why you bringher back here? I mean, is
he gonna admit that they like knoweach other? Is it still gonna be
a secret? Probably a secret.I don't know. Is she gonna be
able to figure it out? Imean, you know, she's not a

(40:30):
dumb character. You know, she'snot in at the beginning, when Michelle
first came back, I can seethem being able to keep it as you
know, how they were able tokeep it a secret because in a lot
of ways they were strangers to eachother, I know. But now that
they've reconnected, you know where theythey fight well together, you know they

(40:52):
can. They're anticipating each other,and look they're giving each other. That's
the eye. The message With theeyes, You're like, oh my god,
they're having a whole ass conversation withoutsaying anything. Oh yeah, you
know the two of them are onthe same page. Yeah. And you
don't. You don't develop that kindof relationship from you know, a weekend

(41:17):
trek. No, you do not. They're gonna have to hide that really
well or just not really again,try to not come into contact with each
other publicly, because it's gonna beobvious. I think well we've pretty much
figured, we've already established it.Racheaude is not an actress or she is

(41:37):
not is not, No, sheis not. She couldn't even do the
simple things that Rick asked her tohide herself, you know, breaking the
record, doing this, doing that, like you just could not not act
like you got control of everything,right, you know, Carol, she

(41:58):
is not you know. Yeah,she did not blend like Carol, that
is for sure. She's not aninfiltrator, right, you know, she
doesn't blend. No, she's akick ass and take check, you know,
take names and stort it out laterkind of lady like. You know.
And again it's not that Carol hasn'tgrown into this really strong leader character,

(42:20):
but she can still. She canblend when she needs to. She
can, she definitely can. Uh, And that's actually a really good skill
set to have. Yeah, youknow, kind of like when the one
I keep going back to is whenthey were having the Kingdom Festival and her

(42:45):
and her son got you know,hijacked by those you know, highwaymen.
Basically m hm, oh no,please don't don't, don't wipe them all
out. Yeah, yeah, theyhad no I mean, they just they
didn't. You know, she takesadvantage of people underestimating her. Yeah,

(43:07):
she does, honestly. But she'sgot that look about her as well.
That's easy. You know, she'sthis you know, light and stature,
you know, white woman who canlook timid. You know, she's got
this, she's got the vibe.Yeah, she's got the exterior to go
along with people being easily thinking tooverlook her. Yeah, looks a little

(43:34):
bit like an amazon. Yeah,she's bald, come on, she's beautiful.
She's she's got the hair, shelooks like a warrior. Yeah.
Oh, I'm not disagreeing one littlebit. Yeah, and so she's kind
of like it's hard for her tolike not stand out, and then her
personality people just look at her likewhat she got going on over there?

(43:58):
You know, I get it.She can't. She'd have to really really
try very hard to blend, andshe's just not very good at it.
Right. So yeah, it's I'mI'm in you know, Pearl is you
know one she drank the kool aid. But she's also got a you know,
she's she's focused on Rick. Youknow, I'm not saying she has

(44:19):
romantic feelings towards him, but thereis a possessive feeling she has for him,
yeah and something. And I thinkthat's part of the reason she does
not like Micheau, because she doesfeel possessive of him, and I don't
honestly, I don't think it's romantic. I think it's just he's her lifeline

(44:45):
in a certain way. You know, he's been with her since you know,
the beginning, when you know shewas fighting the system. They were
fighting the system together. I meannot only that, she basically dragged his
ass along for a while, right, Yeah, So she feels some responsibility
about him, and she doesn't feelthat toward Michelle. Right. You know,

(45:13):
Like I said, I don't thinkit's romantic. I think it's more
like a toddler. You know,I pissed on it. It's mine mm
hmm. So it's not that Iwant it. I just don't want you
to have it. Yeah, right, I get it. Oh, did
you want to talk about the Stonezombie? Right quick? So we've seen

(45:34):
another kind of zombie in this episode. But you know, I did kind
of like because apparently they were nearlike Yellowstone or something. Yeah, and
you know the explanation, I'm like, Okay, yeah, I get it,
because when bone does come in contactwith certain one, you know,
the certain you know calcium pools,that doesn't actually happen. Yeah, I

(46:01):
got it. Yeah, I'm goodwith this one. You know. Yeah,
it was still kind of cool tosee something different, right, like,
even if it didn't have you know, sinister you know, reasons for
being there. I think that's partof the reason I liked it. You
know. It wasn't like, wellthis is weird. You know, this

(46:22):
is out of character. They weren'tfilled with acid, you know, but
they weren't taking it back. They'relike, oh my gosh, what is
this right, Like what it's goingon? You know, He's like,
I'll break it, you stab it. Yeah, and again there was another
I mean, you know, inan unknown situation that the two of them,

(46:46):
you know, we're able to quicklyadapt and work together. So yeah,
it's it's nice to see the twoof them be a team again.
Oh yeah, I mean they arehonestly, after the coming back together and
then having their brief, very briefhoneymoon period, they are full. They

(47:06):
are locked in. They are lockedin step like they were never apart.
It came back together so quickly,well and in the smiles and stuff between
the two of them, the thegentle looks between the two of them,
even when the other one's not looking. Yeah, you know, those are
those are nice look Even when theydisagree, they still have this kind look

(47:30):
on their faces about them, youknow, like she doesn't look like she
wants to murder him anymore. Iknow, it's kind of nice. I'm
sure he appreciates it. Yeah,I don't want to kill you anymore.
Yeah, we don't agree, butit's fine. That's right. We could
agree to disagree on some things.I'm not going to murder you in your
sleep tonight, yeah, exactly,So you know, back to regular couple

(47:54):
stuff. You know, it's pancakes. Yeah, it's great. I honestly,
I cannot like say enough about howmuch I'm enjoying this show this season.
It's wow. I have not feltthis way about this show since I

(48:15):
don't know, a long time,a very long time before the spinoffs started
happening. And and and it's it'sthe good writing. Mm hmm. I
mean, straight up, man,it's the writing. It's it's a good
premise, it's a good you know, it's just it's good. The writing

(48:36):
is spectacular. And denying Andy arereally like flexing their acting muscles as well.
They're not phoning it in. Ohno, they are putting forth the
effort and it shows. Yeah,So I'm not even caring that every single
new person we meet dies well,I mean even some old characters that we

(49:01):
know are dying too, so youknow, I mean honestly, you know
what. Also, I think anothergood reason why it was time for Jadas
to go is because we haven't hada major character death in this world since
Rosita. She was the last majorcharacter death. Well, but I mean,

(49:23):
if you think about it, it'smostly because well, on Darryl Dixon,
it's Darryl Dixon, you know,there's you know, we've got the
nun and her son, but reallythey're not they're whatever. On Dead City,

(49:45):
you know, it's Meagan and Maggie. Who are they? You know,
they can't kill off either one ofthem at this point, I know.
But that's why it's due. It'slike it's turning into this world where
no one dies, like everyone's safe. I mean, people are dying that
the main characters are living because insteadof having an ensemble cast, you know,

(50:05):
we're focusing in on you know whatare two individuals, right, which
is a different approach, but Ifeel like it was I don't know,
that's I guess kind of what thisshow is doing is giving us some flashback
to the original style of this show. Right, anyone can get it right.
We used to think anyone could die. In the early days they did.

(50:30):
Yeah, yeah, And now youknow, especially since they've been trying
to slim down and focus on theseother people. It's like, and even
the final season, not as manypeople died as I thought should have died.
A lot of people made it outright, So it was due,
it was due, and it madesense for the plot that she died.

(50:52):
Oh yeah, She's a loosen thatneeded to be tied up one way or
the other, absolutely, because becausethe thing of it is is, even
if let's say Jada's decided I'm Anne, the fact is that this woman has
She doesn't even flip up. Sheshe does this complete transformation over and over

(51:16):
again, you know, and andyou know, we saw it at least
twice on The Walk the Walking Dead, and then we saw her again on
Fear of the Walking Dead in thisnew you know, affirmation of herself.
And then we see this different sidewith father Gabriel that she's showing to Rick.

(51:37):
So you know, this is nota woman who you can trust because
whenever she is in whatever persona,it is sincere. Oh yeah, you
know, she is sincerely in thatrole. And this is not someone that
even if Rick and Michone had beenable to convince her, oh yeah,
I'm on your side, I'm goingto help you save Alexandria, as soon

(52:00):
as she was back with the CRM, she would have flipped back to being
Jadis again. Yeah, she wasa absolute, one hundred percent not trustworthy
person, Like you cannot trust anythingcoming out of her mouth. Not really,
she might believe it in that momentwhen she's saying it. Yeah.

(52:20):
And the thing of it is isshe could have just let it go.
You know, they came back,she was there with them, They saw
the helicopter. You know, YadAYadA. She could have just let it
go, but she couldn't. Yeah, for whatever reason, she just could
not let it go. She couldn'tlet it go. And she could have.
That was a choice. Yeah,this was a choice. And now

(52:42):
you're dead because she sure should haverolled with the punches like everyone else.
Oh man, they died. Ohwell, she could have just kept keep
it moving, yeah, you know. And it's not like at that point
if Brick had gone home under thosecircumstances, he wasn't coming after the CRM.
He wanted to see his family.That's what his focus was on.

(53:04):
Yeah, but Jesus couldn't let itgo, correct. You know. So
for all the things that she saidto Father Gabriel, the fact is,
even if she had a mild suspicionthat Rick might have, you know,
gotten away, who cares. Becausehere's the thing. She was willing to

(53:27):
let Machone go. No, andMicheone, knowing where the CRM is and
everything else, she was okay withletting her go. She was you know,
she knew about the boat. Shewas she didn't try to stop it.
It was just Rick, right,you know, weird. I mean,

(53:52):
she just had some kind of weirdinfatuation with him. Yeah, so
she you know, she would havelet him go. She could have gone
back, she could have gone withher life. She could destroy the Alexandria
file and just moved on. Butshe's not chucking to come back there.
He would have not given them asecond thought if he is not the only

(54:12):
reason that right now that Rick isfocused on Alexander, focused on the CRM
is because there's now a threat toAlexandria because of Jadis, right, they
had to so they had no choicebut to go back and try to find
that evidence and destroy it. Nowsince they're there, well they might as
well take care of other business aswell since they're there anyway, and it's

(54:32):
the right thing to do now,you know. It's like before Michean wasn't
really focused on that. She wasfocused on her own family. But now
it's like it's bigger than that nowand it's kind of like you now,
it's like once the once what isit, Once the top is off,
you can't close it right, right, you know, once the milk is

(54:53):
out of the you know, beenspilt, you can't put it back in
exactly. So now they have todeal with yeah, and Jadas is just
gonna have to, you know,go and go to the grave knowing you
know, the downfall to see herand was all my fault, you know,
And it is it's on her atthis point because she had just let

(55:15):
it go, but she couldn't.And like I said, it doesn't if
she if she was willing to letMi shone go. Then why wasn't she
willing to let Rick go? She'sso Weirdoh and she has to have her
way, yeah, you know,and it's not like Rick and Racheone hadn't

(55:35):
gotten away clean because no one elsethe CRM gave it a second thought.
No, they sure let it go. They said, oh, that building
is destroyed. Yeah, the helicopterwent down. Yeah, they destroyed the
helicopter. It's case closed. They'redone. And they don't even know why
Jadas left. She checked out onpersonal time, which she has obviously done

(55:57):
at least once a year exactly.And I mean, to be fair,
the CRM would be correct in theirthinking, because who would think they would
jump out of the plane for noreason or out of the helicopter for no
reason exactly? You have to bea crazy person. The show was feeling
a little crazy about that, right, So if no one jumps out like
you're not supposed to, that everyonewould have died. Yeah you know.

(56:22):
So yeah, it's just you know, Jada's being like she wouldn't, she
could not let him go. AndI don't know if it's because she brought
him in and felt responsible. Idon't know if it was because of this.
She wanted to keep some connection toAlexandria, which he desperately obviously wanted.
Oh no, she had a forevercrush on him. There's that too.

(56:45):
Yeah, she's gotten him naked morethan once against his will. My
god, she she had Oh mygosh. Have you ever seen Three and
a half Men that show with CharlieSheen, No, I haven't. Well,
she's the character Rose who is theforever stalker who always wants him,

(57:07):
no matter how much she he shitson her. He has talked so bad
to her, and she will notleave him alone. That is jadis and
Rick like, she will not leavehim alone until she dies. And now
she can't anymore. You know,he killed her as a walker, so

(57:28):
still can't follow him. Yeah,you know so, Yeah, it's her
motivations were always suspect and and againshe she desperately wanted Rick's approval. You
know, she can't. You knowshe throughout his stay there in Alexander and
with the CRM. You know,she kept trying to convince him this is

(57:51):
for the best. It's for thebest. Look at all the great things
here, It's for the best,which is kind of weird in itself,
like Why do you care? Whyare you trying to convince him so badly?
If you've drank the kool aidy,you believe it, So why are
you so insistent? It's it's weird. It's always weird, Like what do
you care? Will get himself killed? You tried? Yeah, you know,

(58:17):
but she's always gone and when shecouldn't get him to see her way,
she just bludged him with something.You know, I'll kill out everyone
in Alexandria if you don't do whatI say. You know, weird,
twisted kind of obsession love thing.Yeah, she is really. Yeah,
she's a strange bird. And yeah, I'm kind of glad she's gone by.

(58:39):
I mean even in you know,even when we saw in the World
Beyond, I mean she was stillweird there. Yeah, everyone everyone there
thought she was kind of weird.There's actually some people over at the on
the you know, world Beyond sidewould probably be happy to hear that she

(59:00):
has died, you know. Imean she even tried to like take Felix
under her wing or something and thatbackfired. Like that's weird. Yeah,
Like I said, she's she's alwaysbeen this outlier. Yeah, not Felix.
What was his name. What wasthe kid's name? Oh, the

(59:22):
Corduroy kid, you know, thekid, the big kid that went and
uh joined the CRM. He wasdoing trash duty him. What's his name?
Don't you really want me to try? Yeah, I don't know,
but it's not Felix. Yah,I said, durrown name. I can't
remember what the kid's name is rightnow. Felix was the I don't know.

(59:43):
I don't remember these characters right now. Don't give me a lie.
I don't know. I mean,I remember the Corduroy kids. Let me
looking up right fast, I'm like, oh my gosh, there's the two
sisters. I don't remember the names. Yeah, that that show we trash
that show so bad. It wasa show. It was a show worth
forgetting. Silas, there we go, that's his name, Silas. All

(01:00:05):
right, Yeah, that's who I'mtalking about. Felix was the older adult
male who was with them all thetime. So yeah, she, you
know, Silas became like a soldierand stuff. So not by choice,
not by choice, but you know, she thought, you know, hey,
I was you you're me kind ofthing. I remember correctly, but

(01:00:29):
that's a long time ago. Butagain, him being the odd man out,
just like she had always been.I did think it was kind of
neat that they went back to theydid flashbacks to her when she was an
actual artist, of the pictures thatshe had painted. Yeah, and then
for her to say, oh,I wanted to die an artist or whatever.

(01:00:49):
I wish I had died an artists. Yeah, which is another really
strange thing to say. But Iguess when you're about to die, if
you could have it anyway, thatwould have been how she would have wanted
it. I guess you look muchsimpler, Yeah, when you look back
at the regrets of your life.Well, you know, because again what
she was saying to Father Gabriel,you know, she told them that she

(01:01:12):
had done bad things. You know, when you are dying, there's probably
some clarity, and you know,it would have been simpler. If she
had died an artist, without knowingthe things, doing the things she had
done, knowing the things she hasknown, it probably would have been better
for her. Yeah. And againthough it's weird because yeah, I'm sure

(01:01:34):
she would have preferred that. Butshe had no guilt over anything she's done,
not really. She always thought shewas doing what she needed to do.
That was in the best interest ofeveryone, right. Oh yeah,
But I mean she thought that whenshe was leading the trash camp people around
a man, those people were weird. Yeah, that whole thing, that

(01:01:55):
whole thing. She was always youknow, I mean, no matter what
she has done, she has alwaysthought that she has done the right thing,
and it never once occurred to her. You know, I once had
these followers and I had them doall sorts of weird crap, and you
know, I thought that was theright thing. You know, she was,

(01:02:17):
you know, she was as dedicatedto that when it was happening as
she is to the CRM. Yeah, you know, so, you know,
really there's you know, she mighthave had, you know, the
conviction of her of herself, butat the same time, I think somewhere
deep down insight, she probably knewthat it was wrong, or she wouldn't

(01:02:38):
have kept going back to Father Gabriel. I agree. I agree. So,
you know, honestly, so,I think this show did a good
job with her exit. Yeah.I think the actress, you know,
got a good send off for abad guy. Yeah, yeah, she

(01:03:02):
said off for a bad guy,absolutely, And I think, yeah,
it's all good and thanks for beingon the show for so long. I
think you know, Jada's was aninteresting character. We got a lot of
talk out of her weirdness. Imean, I've always I've always liked Jadas's
character. I just didn't like hercharacter, you know. And you didn't

(01:03:25):
have to like everyone on the showto to like their character, you know,
right, So you know some peopleyou just you're not supposed to like,
and she's one of them. Yeah, mm hmm. Yeah, it's
weird that she got the echelon thingbecause she's not that high up. She's
just a officer still, right,she's higher, but she's not like she's

(01:03:52):
at least on par with Pearl.Okay, hmm. Interesting, Okay,
Well, I guess we'll see whathappens next week in the finale. Now,
it will be interesting to see ifit's a series finale or a season
finale, and we may not knowfor a while. I know we might

(01:04:13):
not. Lord, I'm mercy,how interesting? Okay? Are we done,
Lisa? I think we are done. Okay, Well, it has
been a wonderful conversation. We hada good time today. Thank you guys
for listening to the entire episode.We appreciate you for doing that, and
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