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the last episode ever. Maybe not, I guess we'll see. For those
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back in our review style, right, Lisa, absolutely, tamor. This
is a conversation, not a dissertation. Right, No scene by scene breakdowns

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here. We jump around a lot, and of course huge boiler alert for
everything basically every show in the worldthrough yesterday's episode. So if you're cool
with that, this is the placefor you, and we should jump right
into it. The finale, Lisa, what did you think? I was
satisfied. That is exactly the wordI used. Literally, I said,

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I'm satisfied with that. It wasokay. I am very close to saying
it was good. But it wasthe worst episode of the six you think,
so, I do okay only becauseso here's the thing. I loved

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the last scene, right, Thewhole thing that we all wanted we got
right. The point of this wasthat he went home to his family,
right, and that happened, andso that was a happy scene and emotional
and all good stuff. Things thatI thought would happen happened, you know,

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Like I knew basically everybody was goingto die. That's the only way
to get out of this. Butwe did say that all the other command
would have to die for this forthem to stop what's going on. Yes,
and that did. But I doafter some contemplation, I feel like
there were some things that could havebeen fleshed out a little more. I

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felt the episode was a little rushed, and I think they could have used
the extra fifteen minutes probably, youknow, I wasn't disappointed in this,
all right. It did feel alittle bear at certain points, but at

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the same time, they didn't draganything either. Yes, so you know,
I'm gonna give them that. Yes, they kept the plot tight as
they have been doing this whole season, which I like, you know,
I like it, but also Idon't know, I just felt like and

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when I first honestly, when Ifirst finished the episode, I was really
happy with it. And only afterit sat with me for a day did
I start thinking about how I havenot gone back and watched it again,
and I usually do, so I'mlike, Okay, why am I not

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like as hyped as I was onsome of the other episodes. Let me
get into this, right, Andthat's what it was. I just think
some stuff didn't make sense to me, but I tried to not nitpick it
to death, Like the scene whereMicheue goes into that little theater and they're

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showing the video of the kids andstuff, and I'm like, it's dark
in there. Why does everyone havea helmet on like those little things?
I'm like, that's weird, rightit is. I'm not gonna lie and
say it isn't. Then again,I mean, I guess these are the

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dedicated I don't know, maybe theyfeel that they don't want anyone to see
what they're really looking like see,And I just thought they did that to
make it easy for Michelle not tobe found out and they don't have to
address it. If everyone has themask on, it's easy quick, right,
And I'm sure that's exactly what itwas, so, you know,

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like I said, I mean,there were some things that there were some
things that I felt like I wishthey had addressed a little bit more,
But overall, considering the constraints,I think they did a good job.
They probably could have used an extrafifteen minutes or so. Yeah, I

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don't think that this needed a wholeextra episode. No, I wouldn't go
that far either, just a littlelittle, a little more. Yeah,
you know so because because we gottawe gotta something, uh mm hmm.
We have an end to the tothe CRM. You know, the the

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civilian government went, Okay, wedidn't know you were doing this, and
this ain't right. Well, theCRM and all their assets still exist,
it's just they're not making their owndecisions anymore. Right. Well, and
they well in mischeone and and Rpretty much blew up almost all the upper
echelon h everyone that has the notEldridge, the the briefing, right,

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so, everyone that had the briefingwas pretty much wiped out. There might
be a few here or there,but they were concentrated there because they were
getting ready to go after Portland.Right. There was a part of me
that kind of wanted to go backto the last episode of the World Beyond,

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because I swear to God, atthe end of that Portland did fall.
Okay. I also thought about that. I know they made it to
Portland, but I was really tryinghard to remember what the hell happened in
that and at the end of thatshow, and I couldn't. I know,

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I remember some kind of something withJadas. Yeah, but it was
with Jadas was there, And likeI said, I kind of thought about
it last night and then I'm like, I don't really want to watch it
and I'm not even I'm not evensure if you can watch all the episodes
right now on amc mm hmm.I'm like, I don't want to go

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dig it around for this, butI swear to God, at the end
of that that was one of thethings that you know, had horrified everyone
else, was that that that Portlandhad fallen to now see, I wasn't
sure if it was. It wasn'tthe whole town, but I know it
was that one base, right,Like that one base. Now it's kind
of kind of coming to me alittle bit, like, you know,

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they knew they were doing the stuffwith the you know, they were doing
the test on people and the kidsand right, so I know that it
was the base situation, But Idon't think all of Portland was brought down.
I don't think well, because likeI said, I do remember that
they had they'd already started pulling someof the kids. Remember that, which

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is another plot hole for me.Yeah, because when they were showing the
kids on the screen, I'm like, okay, so we already been told
that you guys don't want free thinkersand leaders. But from that other show,
it seemed like they were pulling thesmart kids. They were, I
mean, one of the I thinkwhat they were looking for they were looking

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for a certain kind of smart.There are different levels of I mean,
you can be brilliant but myopic.Yeah, that's true. And and I
think that's what they were kind oflooking for, brilliant but myopic. So
they could really do a lot ofthings that they were, you know,
that they need to do to continueto excuse me, build civilization. Mm

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hm, But they don't really lookup and go, I know I can
do this. I don't know ifI should do this. Okay, that's
fair. But then I thought,like, you know, it's the smart
kids that are sometimes sometimes not allthe time. I'm not trying to say
everybody, but sometimes it seems likethey question more and ask why, well,

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why this? Yeah, you know, it's like understanding certain things in
school, Like some people can't understandit, so they know the why,
right why well, and that's partof the reason and why the two sisters
were bumped out because they wanted toknow the whys of things. Brilliant,
both of them, brilliant asked toomany questions. Now, when they fell

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in with those other kids that hadbeen already pulled from Portland, none of
them were asking why. They werejust happy. They had new toys to
play with, and they were happyto be there, and they weren't asking
any questions. Yeah. So,and that was the biggest difference between the
two girls and and all the otherkids they had pulled. Was again brilliant,

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but myopic, because all they reallycared about was they were being taken
care of, They had the reallycool toys, and they were getting their
intellectual needs met. They weren't questioningwhy they were being asked to do these
things. Mm hmm. So whatabout Bill's son? Wasn't his son there?

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Uh huh? So did they gethim? I don't remember what happened
to him? Did they take Ithink he I think they I think he
died. Did he I don't know, I don't remember. That's what I
thought about going back and watching thelast episode. But I don't remember,
and I just I don't know.I just didn't feel like it. I
kind of just wish like And supposedlythis show catches us up time wise,

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right, so being that Jadis wasin World Beyond, I kind of would
like to know, Like, sothat must have just coincided with this.
But the fact that she went offon her own to find Ricky Michelle later
kind of messes with the timeline.I think, you start thinking about it.
She was on she did say thatshe had to leave for another mission.

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Yeah remember maybe that maybe that that'smy guess. Anyway, her character
coming comes and goes whenever, right, she's catlike. Yeah. So,
but and I think they were reallythey were really priming us for this though,

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because even in the very beginning,those beginning scenes, it was em
together and a part and you know, if it's not us, who mm
hmm. You know, this iswhat we do, this is who we
are, And they were committing thatto each other come you know, come
hell or high water. They weregoing to see this through. Now,

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initially it was just stop beal andget the get the papers, and but
as soon as misheaone saw that,you know, we're gonna go steal the
kids. We're gonna take about tenpercent of them. We're gonna kill everyone
else. Yeah, Machewe's like,uh no, Yeah, she's a mother.

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She's like a person who has likea conscious about things. She would
never let that go. Oh butspeaking of the papers, another strange thing.
And I mean, okay, soin the moment when I was watching
it, it didn't bother me fullythat she was just tearing them up.

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But then I said, well,are you going to try to destroy them
or just tear them up? BecauseI was wondering why she just didn't put
them under water. Yeah, throwthem in the bathtub or a sink or
something, or in the toilet.I don't know. Well, you wouldn't
want to put them in the toiletbecause wouldn't want them to stop anything up.
And you obviously didn't want to setthem on fire because you didn't want

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to bring attention to yourself. ButI knew there was a there was a
sink in that room. Whatever itis, just get it wet so people
can't read it exactly so and insteadshe just shoved them in her pockets.
Seemed weird, But I mean,I guess high school situation. You're not
always thinking completely coherently, and actuallythat it was funny that scene itself when

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she walked in the room and sawlike how much shit was everywhere. Basically
yeah, like the look on herface, I'm like, oh God,
just breathe, you can find it. Just breathe, Like, oh my
god, she's getting frustrated, rightYeah. I gotta tell you my first
thought is in her situation, Ialmost would have gone, I'm just setting

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everything on fire. Yeah yeah,I mean I'm just saying because with all
those oil paintings and all the picturesand in the paper and everything, it
would have gone up. Yeah.Okay, So this just literally this just

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popped in my head right now.So Jadis's place is on the main base
or was it on the new basethat they just built? Then I'm gonna
go with the new BASI built,okay, because I'm like it had to
have been. But I was like, again, like little details that are
missing of when people moved to thatbase. But then again I try to

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remember, like I guess technically itdoesn't matter to the bigger story. It
doesn't matter, right, No,because I think Jada's did say earlier in
the episode or not episode earlier inthe season about her moving there she did,
okay, because I don't remember,I think she did. I mean,
it was one of those throwaway sentences, but she was talking to Rick

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about that. Okay, I'll takeyour word for it because I don't remember
it at all. But okay,that makes sense now because I'm like,
wait a minute, they went tothe same place. When did she move
there? Yeah, that's the basethat Rick built. Yeah, exactly,
because that's where all the you know, higher up people were supposed to be,

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and that's where they wanted to maketheir move from away from everywhere else,
which is why I said, originally, they still have all the other
CRM assets, which we saw atthe end as they were like, you
know, had choppers taking things topeople right, were laying over heads,
so all the assets weren't lost.Just what was at that new base was
exactly. And and again they mighthave one or two holdouts here or there

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with Bill gone and the majority ofthe elite troops gone, and I'm pretty
sure he had gathered almost all ofthem so they could go and go after
Portland M. So you know,they may he may have left one or
two here or there, but oncewhat they were doing was actually exposed to

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the civilian government, and the civiliangovernment found out that they were, you
know, on the chopping block.Literally, Yeah, weren't feeling too kindly
to what the cr was doing.No, I mean, I guess also
we got to see that end andalso know that you know, that part

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was pretty much disrupted completely by themgiving us that in a news story.
Yeah, which again I've heard otherpeople say they wanted to see, but
I'm like, technically we didn't reallyhave to. We didn't have to see
we heard no, because I meanthe news story concisely gave us what happened,
you know. I mean, andagain, if they if to walk

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through that, you know, Rickand is shown going up and giving them
the information and there you know,and the hearings and the Aghasta and YadA
YadA, YadA. I mean,that would have been another whole episode,
right, And they trimmed the fat. They trimmed it down, like there
was really like we did a lotof jumps, and I know they had

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a lot of like flashes to likepass you know, episodes in the in
the history of the Walking Dead.It kind of like helped kind of gel
things together a little bit, butI don't know, there was just I
feel, like you said, satisfied. I think the fans were overall satisfied.

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Yes, we could probably nitpick alot of different things, but it
was a good end, I think. And the thing it was is it
was an end. Mm hmm.I don't watching that ending. I don't
think that they're going to bring thisback for a second season. There's no
reason to bring this back for asecond season. The degree, Rick and

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Macheone came back together, and atthe very end we got to see them
with their kids. Yes, Iagree, And that was that was the
arc. You you know, sheleft and she brought him home, which
was the whole point of this showin itself exactly the right right, you

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know. And and it wasn't andit wasn't a cop out thing where you
know, the the kids were onthe radio. Oh, the Brave Band's
coming home, and that's it,you know. I mean, we actually
got a reunion. We got tosee how much RJ has grown. I
mean Judah too. She looks,oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah,

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the two of them. I meanyou can see because she was she was
little, I mean not little little, but I mean she was you know,
still prepubescent, so you know,so we know. And I'm pretty
sure at this point the message thatCarol partially heard was Rick coming home.

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Rick's yeah, that's gonna be myguess. Rick is home when she comes
back. So okay, So Ilike we were in agreement. It seems
like an end. It feels likean end. It should be the end
of this particular story exactly. ButI've been seeing today some other creators talking

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about some interviews that they did bothAndrew and and I, and they will
not say it's the end officially.They won't say there's a season two and
they won't say it's the end.I'm like, okay, they're doing this

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skipping around the subject type answers,and it's in a couple of articles.
I guess they did those interviews afterthe finale aired. Now I kind of
think, you know, AMC isgoing to do what AMC is trying to
do, which is make money,right, and they know this was a
successful show. And I think I'mnot saying they're going to do it,

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but I think they're probably exploring it, and they're probably going to see how
much it would take to convince themto do another season. Yeah, so,
I mean it might. Honestly,I think they should just let this
go because again, they're not goingto revive The Walking Dead, right,
but we do have Dead City.So and I know you're not a big

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fan of it, but Alexandria isnot that far from Hilltop. So Rick
and Maschone could show back up andconfront Maggie. They could, They absolutely
could, And I wouldn't be againstthem having cameos in other places, right,
I'm told with it, I wouldlove to see them show up once

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in a while. Right. Wedon't have to have an entire show dedicated
to these two at this point,because again we have Daryld Dixon and we
have Dead City and either one ofthose shows, you know, Rick can
be again the voice on the radioor Micheone could you know, run into
Carol, I found them, youknow something it you know, we could,

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they could do different things where theshow isn't dependent on them being there.
And we're again not going back toThe Walking Dead with all those characters,
because there's no way they're going toget all the you know, all
those mainline characters back. Now,they might get a cameos here and there,
like they like, we had withFather Gabriel. I know. But

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if that's the case, why notjust say this is the end of this
story. Why do that? Whyplay that game? It's annoying. Just
say this is the end of thisstory. You don't have to say we'll
never see the characters again. Ithink they're I don't know, trying to
boost maybe the viewing numbers for Ithink they're playing games, and they're hoping

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and making us all hope and praywe'll see them on another show hoping that's
going to boost other numbers and otherplaces. I think they're just really playing
games with the audience. Yeah,because again, I don't see, I
don't see where this show can goat this point. Yeah, to Live

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was was a very specific arc,you know, and it's one that they
we've all been wondering about for years, ever since micheone left. Yeah,
this has been dragging forever. Yeah, and we finally get it and we
got our show and it was great. This was a great season and you

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know, he he came home.That was the whole point. And the
threat of the CRM has been hangingover every single show everywhere in the Walking
Dead universe is now no longer athreat and you know, which means at

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some point, you know, theCRM can show up again in Dead City,
they can show up in France,they could you know, we could
find a have a cameo down there, and you know the epadre. But
you know, this might explain whythe CRM has not come to Manhattan and

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wiped them out, because if thishappened, then they're no longer just killing
off cities, right, so thedirective has changed. I don't know.
I guess we'll just have to seehow they play it. But before we
continue on, I do want toaddress the comments right now. So both

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two people Real in Love in Itand Caesar are discussing RJ, Poor RJ
and poor J his horrible lines andliand but you know, I'm gonna say
this though, every time we've everseen RJ anywhere doing anything, okay,

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it's just been kind of listless.Yeah, and this has been RJ since
we first saw him on this show. So I'm not gonna lie and say
that I was shocked. I meanhonestly, I'm like, yeah, that's
our kid, Okay, though wecall out his horrible acting before we have,

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so this is not the first time. But this is the first time
the poor kid has actually got somelines. Yeah, I know. Well,
you and I had discussed, youknow, pre you know, in
The Walking Dead. Maybe he just, you know, we don't really know
anything about this kid. Maybe hejust needs some lines. No, I
don't think that's what he needs now. He needs some acting classes. Yes

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he does. He definitely does.I feel bad. I wanted to like
the little kid, like get betterplease. Yeah. I mean he's a
kid, little kid, don't getme wrong, but he's He's never really
said a whole lot of anything onthis show ever. I think as far

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as dialogue goes, I'm gonna say, the entire time that he was on
The Walking Dead, they probably gavehim thirty words if that. Yeah,
yeah, and I am talking theentire time they showed him on the screen.
Maybe thirty words. Maybe he justsits there, looks cute, nds
his head follows a dude at thearound and that's it, basically. Yeah.

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I don't know what to say.I feel bad for him, a
little bit, but it is whatit is. You know, what are
you gonna do? Yeah? Youknow, I mean even when they were
you know, when Daryl had himin the apartment there, you know,
in that little crappy apartment when theywere in the Commonwealth. You know,
he was just sitting there with hiscomic books and coloring, you know,
and it was like, hey,yeah, and that was the sum total

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of his lines, I know,and honestly like, no shade, but
I feel like some young boys,that's how they are, Like my nephew.
I mean, it's like pulling teethto get him to say more than
ten words in a sentence. It'slike, dude, don't you have something
to say? So that's why Ididn't try to take it too seriously at
first. And plus the actor wasreally young at the time, so I

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kind of let it go. Butnow it's just like, okay, yeah,
I have a son that used tosay wouldn't say shit if he had
it in his mouth, you know, mm hm. You know. RJ
was kind of like that. Hefollowed this little sister or his big sister

(27:26):
Roundie just did whatever she told himto. Yeah. That was that is
RJ's entire character arc, you know, and I was really hoping that they
would do something more with him,you know, because we had Judith who
was just this badass little girl thatyou know, she had a sword and
had a gun and was out therekilling walkers. And at the same age

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that she was out doing that,you know, he's sitting there with his
comic book's coloring. Look, she'sacting like the epitome of a firstborn child
in charge, you know, responsibleguys, take care of the little sibling,
you know, killing things and takeyou know whatever. That's just like
her character. I mean, Idon't know. I just think they did

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really good with picking Judith, youknow that actress for Judith. Oh yeah,
they couldn't. I think they wantedr J to look a certain way
so badly that they were like,he looks the way we think he should
look, So we're going to justnot give him any lives and hope it
works out. Yeah, And I'mkind of beginning to wonder that myself,

(28:34):
you know, because it makes sense. Yeah. So so I don't know.
But but again, even the cheesyline aside lines aside, I did
like the fact that you know,you and I had talked about this many
times. We want that ending withwith Rick and Mashone and Judith and our

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and to have that moment, andthey got it. We got it.
Yeah, So you know that wasyou know that that was our payoff ever
since the bridge exploded. Yeah,and I think all the die hard were
shown fans quote unquote are happy withit. I think most of us are

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happy. I think. Yeah,there are some creators and some watchers that
had a lot of criticisms, andthat's fine because nothing's perfect. I think
had you know and I written thisepisode, it would have been a lot
better. But she didn't write thisepisode. So we get what we get,
right, that's it. But Iliked it. I think I do.

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If I had another criticism, Ithink that Bill wasn't as big as
a villain as I wanted him tobe. Yeah, I mean he Bille
really wasn't a bad guy. Hewasn't a villain like you know, the

(30:08):
governor or you know, like Meganwas. This was a man who really
was trying to say the human race. So in his own mind, he
wasn't a bad guy and he didn'tthink you know, he knew that he
was doing bad things, but hewas convincing himself. It was okay because

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it was for a greater purpose.Okay, but did we think Shane was
a villainy Shane? Yeah? Becausethe actor kind of said, you know,
hey, he you know, Rickis thinking about how he's similar to
Shane in his approach. Right.I never really looked at Shane as a

(30:51):
bad guy. I looked at himas a jealous, possessive guy. And
honestly, I think that if ifif Rick had to come back, Shane
would have fulfilled Rick's role. Itwas Rick coming back that sent him off

(31:14):
on a in a dark place becauseand even though it was only a couple
of weeks after the fall of civilization, Shane had it already, you know,
he had now had a wife anda kid and so on and so
forth. He was set, youknow, Yeah, but he was always
gonna be the week we can't havethem, you know, we can't help
them. That was just his mO. And it wouldn't have mattered if

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it was there or not. They'redreadn't have grown like it did if Shane
were there and not Rick. ButI also, I mean, given enough
time, I think he would havegrown. Then again, he might have
grown into a n Egan. Soyou know, he could have you never
know, I don't know. Ijust and I know the CRM quote unquote,
the secretive part of it. Iguess was supposed to be the villain,

(32:01):
but it just didn't hit quite theway I think they wanted it to.
I think, you know, yeah, they save Portland, right,
they save Portland and they got home. You know, that's it, end
of story. That was the mostimportant thing. But I just I don't
know, there could have been alittle something extra. And Pearl Thorne's character,

(32:28):
I think we were being played witha little bit with her as well.
I think originally they were trying tomake her a villain, and then
when Rick showed up, it seemedlike they were friendly again. Right,
hey, you're back, you know. It seemed like but Rick was like
ballface lying to her face. Ohyeah, so and then in the end,

(32:50):
you know, what did she do? She's like, oh, you're
right, you know, Beale waswrong. Here's my helmet, and she
lays down and dies. Basically,well, you know, well a lot
of hers was. Again. Thewhole thing is she had desperately tried so
hard to get back to her love, and then she gave up. She

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did, you know, and andeverything the CRM has been training these guys
for is that love is for thenext generation. It's not for us.
You know, everything we do isit's not for us, it's for them,
you know. So we don't getto have our families, we don't

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get to have, you know,the the happy endings. We're doing the
dirty work. So at least inthat respect, they were upfront with the
people. They weren't. Ever,none of them were offered the happily ever
after. And even Jada said thesame thing, This isn't you know,
this is for the bigger picture.This is for those who come next mm
hm. And I think that theysincerely believe that, and that's why they

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did a lot of the really horriblethings they did, because human beings will
do terrible things that they think it'sfor a greater or noble purpose. Yeah,
which I think had. And Ithink Beale did a good job of
explaining what his goal was with thatand why he was doing it with the

(34:22):
whole fourteen years, the fourteen yearcountdown essentially. But what didn't happen was,
well, if we take out Portlandand if we kill all these other
people and we save the resources forourselves, that extends our life by x,
it extends our generations by x amountof or whatever. So we got

(34:43):
one part, but not the other. Yeah, well it's this Beale's assumption
was is if they wiped out everyoneelse, there would be no other competition
for resources. And while the deadwould be walking around, they don't give
a shit about you know, growingcorn or anything. So if they could,

(35:06):
my guess is their plan was tokeep the population small but sustainable.
So if you have around twenty tothirty thousand people, you can have a
small but sustainable society with enough technically, with enough diversity not to you know,
get into you know, too muchinbreeding, right, and that would

(35:27):
be awful. Yeah, you know, technically you only need about two thousand,
but things get a little wonky thoselow numbers. But twenty thirty thousand
people, if you can keep thepopulation from growing much beyond that, and
god knows if, considering their root, how ruthless they could be. I'm

(35:49):
pretty sure they would keep those numbersright about twenty thirty thousand, you know,
And if they kept them contained withinwalls, then yeah, they could
probably go on for a real longtime just by living within their walls,
right and not having to worry aboutanyone else, you know, tactically attacking
them. But but he has connectionsall around the world, he said,

(36:13):
right, so now they're trying tokill not just kill people in America,
they're trying to just take out allthe other people, even though what's happening
in Europe does not have a directeffect on what's happening in the United States,
because it's not like you're trading withthem, right, it's I mean,

(36:36):
it's I'm not saying it's not.I mean, it was a plan,
certainly a plan, and if allof the the only point was to
make sure that the human race continuesto survive, it was technically a workable
plan. By taking out all theother competition for resources, all of the

(36:58):
other competition for everything else, thenyeah, you know, I mean,
at that point they have nothing toworry about but the dead because they can
take what they need from everywhere else, which also he you know, there's
now more dead thanks to this bomb. But he pretty much said, you
know, hey, there's a lotof walkers out there still. There's huge

(37:23):
amounts of them, which we havesaid over the years, how many can
there be? They're still everywhere?Apparently, yes, yeah, they're everywhere.
Well, I and I, youknow, you and I have talked
about this too, you know,especially when you get into the hotter climates,

(37:44):
how are these zombies, I mean, really towards the equator, Can
they really have that many zombies justbecause you know, flesh falling off the
bone, they're rotting, you know, yeah, they would be yeah,
you know. And then you getup to more northern climates, you know,
and you know up you know,the upper Edgelons of Canada, you

(38:05):
know, in Russia, where therearen't a lot of people to begin with.
But I can't imagine, and we'veseen on The Walking Dead during the
winter that the dead just kind offreeze where they are. You know,
you get up, you get itup north enough and it's you know,
a month or two three months ofsummer and then the rest of the time
it's snow and cold. Right,So you know, in these two extremes,

(38:30):
you know, there probably aren't thatmany, but it's it's the it's
the middle ground where you have toworry. The middle Yeah, that makes
sense, because you know it's nottoo like you said, there's no extremes.
They're just and as people die,they're also turning, so they're just
sadding. It's a mess. Iguess okay, yeah, I'll buy it.

(38:53):
I'll take it, accept it.It's fine. Okay, again,
I'm not you know, it doesn'thave to be a good plan to be
a to be a plan. Thereare many bad plans I've been put into
place over the course of human history. You know. Oh, this is

(39:15):
an interesting number. Someone in theaudience said, real and loving it said,
I read somewhere that there are fivethousand walkers per live human. That's
a lot. It is a lot. It's a lot. Yeah, I
mean, there's a lot of workto be done, you know. And

(39:37):
I think actually this has opened upmore possibility and storylines for other shows,
right and and and again. LikeI said, it's not that we can't
you know, we could have anotherseries about where the the CRM Republic is

(39:59):
going. And they could they couldeven have little one off anthologies where they
send people out to meet with thesenew groups, which would be kind of
cool. Yeah, I mean theyjust because the CRM is no longer the
bad guy doesn't mean that there aren'tstories to be told. True. I
really hope they don't bring back thoseawful kids from the world Beyond. Oh

(40:22):
they won't. They're gone. Everyonehated them so much. But I think,
you know, because in this episode, Rick did not tell Michean about
the fourteen year thing. He didn'tsay it to her, but eventually,
you know, he tells her everything. So I think that's going to open
up for the world at large toaddress that issue. It's going to become

(40:44):
more of a world, I don'tknow, a United States thing at the
minimum, versus just let's just getby with our little group thing, you
know. Well, and and againthere's that that fourteen years is a powerful
and bild decided on one venue,which was we're just gonna kill everyone so

(41:06):
that we can be the sole survivors. The other flip side of that is,
we tell everyone because now it's nota matter just a matter of personal
survival. It's a matter of humanitysurvival. And if you guys keep going
to war with each other in yourlittle groups and killing each other off for

(41:28):
you know, a Snickers bar,we are not gonna survive. No,
And I kind of was hoping thatthere would be some kind of cure talk,
but there wasn't. No. Asa matter of fact, he addressed
that, oh, we you know, we gave him some people for research
and stuff, and nothing's really comeof it. Maybe it might, but
nothing really has. I thought thatthey learned about how that asset bomb would

(41:52):
make them slow or from turning orsomething. Yeah, well all those people
turn so fast though. Well,and we've also got the they're at the
again, at the end of WorldBeyond. They were working on that uh
fungus thing, remember that that wasone of the and and apparently they came

(42:14):
across something that was unique that couldpossibly not stop the virus but stop the
Walkers. Hmmm. So honestly,if they could find something to release that
wouldn't hurt humans but would dissolve theWalkers, that would be you know,
ideal, That would be ideal.But then what would it take to filter

(42:38):
out that that everyone is sick withit? You know, everyone turns into
that when they die, Like,how is that? You know? Yeah,
oh I get that. I meanI don't know they like I said,
it was a I just remember thembeing in the life. No,
we have to you know, wefound this thing. So and it was

(43:00):
an awful show. And I don'tremember retain any of the details of it,
except for that that they had foundsomething that might work on the Walkers
to potentially make them dissolves, slowthem down, you know, it's not
a cure. It wasn't a cure, but it was a way to perhaps
get rid of some of the zombies. Yeah, and I remember they were

(43:22):
trying to see if they could stopsomeone from turning or not like revert them,
but just stop them from turning orslow down the turning. Right.
So, I mean, if theycould find something that could dissolve the walkers,
you know, they could just gobecause there's a lot of wide open
spaces right now, and they've gothelicopters, they could always just drop it.

(43:45):
Well, we know they're good atdropping things on people anyway, so
they could so, I mean,this is right in their wheelhouse, you
know. Now they're just dropping iton the dead, right. I mean,
personally, I don't know why theyjust don't drop huge vats of lye
on them, But that's just me. Wow. I mean, honestly,
there's That's one thing that I thinkI appreciate this show doing is that they

(44:07):
kind of caught us up to thetimeline. They kind of addressed some of
the questions but also opened up otherquestions, which leaves more room for the
world to grow at large. AndI honestly would not be against people have
been saying, like this whole likesuperhero type reunion, you know how they
do a Venger style, everyone kindof shows up. I would not mind

(44:29):
that, honestly. At some pointin the future. And I even heard,
like last year, I think itwas, I heard some people mummering
about like maybe the whole Walking Deadwill come back together again into one show,
Like after these spinoffs are finished doingwhat they're doing, they might come
back together little Baby. I don'tknow. I don't know. It would

(44:51):
have a new name, obviously itwouldn't be called the original name. But
I will say this so you know, as I'm sitting here thinking, because
over in Manhattan, you know,we've got the biofuel, the dead people
biofuel, and as far as wecan see, is pretty effective. If

(45:13):
the CRM is now working for goodand they can get a hold of that
technology and that takes care of someof the problems with the dead, we'll
just put them in bats, youknow, to power our cities. Oh
my gosh. Right, yeah,So at that point, the dead become

(45:34):
more of a resource than a somethingto be scared of. I mean more,
you know, because people that havelived outside, you know, Likeshone
and Rake and the people and Alexandriaand stuff. At this point, the
dead is really more of an annoyancethan anything else, until you know,

(45:54):
they gather in big herds. Butthen again, a lot of the people
in Alexandria know how to turn theherds now too because of the whiskers,
right they do, and you knowother people know how to do it as
well. They're not unique in that, right, I'm sure you know.
So. I mean, if ifwe could gather, you know, we

(46:14):
could have the walker herders, youknow, that's their job, and to
herd the walkers into certain places anddump them into vats. You know,
that would solve a lot of problems. Everyone would have power bro good yay,
yeah, you know, grow stuff. We can grow more food and

(46:35):
do this and do that, right, yeah. Because the thing of it
is is a lot of these littlegroups you know that we've been following,
they all have figured out some uniqueways to deal with the dead and in
either using them as a resource orhow to control them or whatever. And
the biggest problem is has just beencommunication. So it's learned in one area

(47:00):
is kept in one area. Mmhmm. So with the CRM now being
on the side of the good guys. Communication is going to be less of
an issue. Yeah, we're gonnastart seeing the CRM show up in these
other shows in a different capacity.Like everyone won't be fearful of them.

(47:22):
They're just gonna show up for aidor making plans or whatever. You know,
They're going to be absolutely giddy.Would they see the cargo holds from
Padre? Yeah, I'm sorry.You know, the pottery play can finally

(47:44):
be put into place. I guessthey could come and take those resources and
help distribute them. Yeah. Yeah, they've got the helicopters to pick those
those containers up and move them around. They sure do. See Yeah,
you know, all right, anythingelse in this episode we should cover.

(48:06):
I know we didn't cover everything,but anything else stand out to you?
You know, I really I themoment when Rick was sitting there with Beale,
what's the worst thing you know thatyou ever had to do? And
I got to tell you before heeven settled on that memory, I thought,
oh, him biting the neck ofthat one guy. That's funny.

(48:29):
So you already had it in yourbrain that was the problem. That was
okay, I mean, going backthrough all of the things Rick has done
He's done some awful things, don'tget me wrong, okay, but him
lungeon up and tear that guy's thrownout with his teeth, that was That
was pretty nasty. Yeah, thatwas pretty bad. Yeah. I remember
us talking about giving that one agood deal of attention. Oh my god,

(48:52):
you know, so when he settledon that one, I'm like,
by god, right, you know, Yeah, that was pretty awful.
Yeah, that ranks high on thelist, if not the highest. Definitely.
Oh, he traumatized himself probably doingthat shit. Like really, well,
if you remember, Rick was notright the head for the rest of

(49:15):
that season, right, he wasnot, And I don't blame him.
He ripped a guys thrown out withhis teeth. You know, look,
let's not even get into if that'sactually possible. It's possible. Oh,
I'm not saying it would be myfirst choice on any occasion. You know.

(49:40):
So Rake left that hand thing,mm hmm. I would keep it.
It's a weapon. Does he thinkthere's no more fighting than it need
to be done? I think hewanted to make a clean break. I
get that, But don't be stupid, I know, don't. I mean,

(50:00):
we're gonna again, but we cango back, you know, he
can get back to Alexander that hecan have him make him another hand.
It's not like they haven't done itbefore. Yeah, he can get a
big, clunky one, this istrue, instead of one that's you know,
useful and not ten pounds like theone Aaron has. So I don't

(50:21):
know, but I guess I'm surefor him too. Though that hand was
also a symbol of his imprisonment,it definitely was. I still would have
brought it and I had to goto therapy and try to get over it.
With time things heal. I don'tknow. I yeah, I guess
we'll see what he's sporting the nexttime we see his character. Yeah,

(50:45):
And like I said, I Idon't know. I can't see them doing
another season of this, but Ican't see them teasing us along to get
to garner some more attention. Andhonestly, it wouldn't surprise me if they
showed up or Rake showed up overat Hilltop at some point. I mean

(51:09):
absolutely, I'm sure you know they'vegot to catch him, them, both
of them up with what's been goingon. Yeah, we'll see them over
there or at the Commonwealth or someplacethey're going to show up someplace, yeah,
you know. I mean, andwe still you know, and we
have the Book of Carol coming up, but that's going to be in Europe

(51:30):
again. It's going to be inFrance, right, That's gonna be in
France. But you know, eventuallyNorman Retis will make his way back to
the US. You know. Iam like, no, I don't know.
I am not excited for this Bookof Carol situation. I don't know.
I'm trying to remain as neutral asI can about it. I you

(51:54):
know, the thing of it isis I've always liked Carol's character, and
I liked her too. I likeher too, you know that. But
I'm gonna, after seeing a wholeseason without her and seeing what this look
could look like without her, kindof like there and just to see what.
I don't know. I'm just curiousto see what it's gonna look like

(52:15):
once they come together. Are theygonna deviate from the current story? Are
they gonna just go a different direction. So many things are out there,
and I just after seeing what thisshow could do with the writing, I
just know that other show will neverever meet that At that bar. The
bar has been placed really high,right, and these other writers aren't able

(52:38):
to pull it off. Well,they haven't yet, I don't know.
Maybe, you know, hopefully they'vetaken some inspiration from from this show.
No, they're done with it already, aren't they done? No? But
yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, it's not gonna
be what we think. But again, I do like Carol, like you,

(53:00):
so maybe it'll be fine. Maybeit'd be fine after AAUL because that's
what this summer, right, that'sthe next one coming. Yeah, I'm
not sure exactly when. They haven'tofficially announced when, but I guess from
rumors or June mm hm m hmm. Okay, well that's it for the

(53:25):
US, then I guess that's itfor now. What do you think,
Lisa, I think we're done.Yeah, we're done. Now, We're
done with this show until the summer. Wow, that's going to be a
long break. I know you guysmiss this. You know what I'm thinking
about maybe doing what do you callit? Show? Oh, it's on

(53:46):
the tip of my tongue. Interviewwith a Vampire. Well okay, I
don't know. We'll talk about itoffline, but if you guys want to
make sure you're here. When we'reback, be sure to hit that subscribe
button, Share this with your otherTWD fans, and yeah, have a

(54:07):
great spring in early summer and we'llcatch you guys on the flip side.
Bye guys, Bye bye

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