Awoken

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This week, Captain and Wilson dig up the 2019 Australian horror film, "Awoken," directed by Daniel J. Phillips. 

Starring Sara West, Erik Thomson, and Benson Jack Anthony, Awoken traces how real sleep science and messy demon lore collide in a locked basement lab. Captain and Wilson unpack FFI, prions, and why bargaining with evil is never a treatment plan.

The film discussion begins around 25:56.

Episode Transcript

Wilson (00:19):
Um, you know, that actually reminded me so somebody
like something happened todaykind of crazy at work, and I
wanted to message somebody withlike a gif of great googly
moogly, and I was like, I wastrying to think, what is that
from?
Because I also couldn't say forcertain that it's not from some
spoof movie and somehow like areally like racist joke or
something.

(00:39):
And I looked it up, it's justlike a kid's it's like a kid's
character and a song.
It is a song.

Captain (00:44):
I was gonna say, I know the song.

Wilson (00:46):
Yeah.
Um, but no, there's like a it'salso a kid's cartoon, or the
name of a character in a kid'scartoon.

Captain (00:52):
So you sent it?

Wilson (00:54):
No, I couldn't.
It just it wasn't it wasn'tright, and the moment passed.

Captain (01:01):
I mean, the right person would have been fine with
it, but I don't know who thiswas.
So I did finally watch thetogether movie, very hesitant to
watch because of the supposedlyterrible dog scene in the
beginning, which I did not watchthat part.
Now, when I was watching this,so I was watching this we were
doing a movie night at my house,and um, like uh two of the

(01:23):
people that were there decidedto watch the dog scene while
like the rest of us were likethis, um, with our eyes covered,
but um one of them said thatthe dog scene really was not
that bad, like it's overhyped.
Is that I don't know.

Wilson (01:39):
Like I mean, did you read about what happened this
year?

Captain (01:42):
Yeah, like people on does the dog die.com were like
it's brutal, it's gruesome, likethe dogs are crying as they're
being like fused, and I don'tknow, I mean I didn't watch, but
like one of the guys that I wasthere was like, okay, it's
really not that bad.

Wilson (01:59):
Um Yeah, I mean it like wasn't pleasant, but uh I mean
it doesn't look like torture.
Um kind of reminds me of likethe thing in a way, like some of
that.
Okay.

Captain (02:15):
Well, I didn't watch.
Um the movie itself was prettygood.
I did like it.
I can't remember what rating Igave.
I think I gave it a 3.5.

Wilson (02:22):
I don't remember seeing your rating on the box.

Captain (02:25):
I'm pretty sure it's on there.

Wilson (02:27):
Well, let me go look.

Captain (02:32):
Um my gosh, diary.
Um what?
Did you like no I Oh, it'sright there.

unknown (02:46):
What?

Captain (02:46):
The 17th.
Together.

Wilson (02:50):
Sometimes I do not like how um letterbox displays
things.

Captain (02:56):
Sometimes oftentimes.
Who the fuck made this app iswhat I my questions are
sometimes.

Wilson (03:04):
That is very fair.

Captain (03:06):
Uh yeah, I gave it a 3.5.
It was pretty good.
Um I would say I'm glad Iwatched it.
Very, very different content.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um But you know what's funny,actually, just thinking about
movies that I recently watched.
Um, randomly I watchedAtlantis, The Lost Empire again
for okay, dude.

(03:27):
That movie's so good.

Wilson (03:29):
I don't I don't know if I ever saw it in its entirety.

Captain (03:32):
I I watched that uh literally, I think the last time
I watched that I was in middleschool, like 13.
Um so good though.
Like high class, great movie.
No notes.
It's so good.
I would highly recommend.
Um Yeah, I just was like in thevibe to so it's funny, Jay

(03:53):
mentioned um he mentioned um ascene from Over the Hedge that
made him laugh.
Um, like a scene that he stillremembers.
I I don't have you seen Overthe Hedge?

Wilson (04:04):
I think I did when it came out, yeah.

Captain (04:06):
Yeah, there's a bear at the beginning that is like
hibernating, and when he wakesup, he finds that this raccoon
like stole his like hibernationstash, and he's like, Oh no.
Oh no, no.
I know this raccoon did not.
Like I don't know, we weretalking about it, and like I was

(04:28):
like, should we watch overthat?
And then I don't know, wedecided to watch a different
movie, but and what we stilldon't watch a kids' animated
movie, and so we chose Atlantis.
But um, I'm really glad wewatched it.
I was like hooked.

Wilson (04:41):
So I'm gonna yeah, I'll have to add to the list because
uh I don't know.
I feel like everyone loves it.

Captain (04:49):
Oh yeah.

Wilson (04:50):
I did show uh Finn um the Iron Giant a couple months
ago.
He had never seen that.

Captain (04:56):
It's so sad.

Wilson (04:56):
It's so sad, but it's so good.

Captain (04:58):
Like, I'm pretty sure I'd cry now if I watched it.

Wilson (05:02):
Yeah, I cried.
It's still sad.

Captain (05:05):
Like, it's brutal.
I I would have to definitelyhave to be in the mood before I
turn that on.
Um yeah, and then you wealready talked about it.
I went on my like random 80sadvent action binge, but
Demolition Man was really good.
I actually really want them toremake Demolition Man.
Like, it's been 30 years.
They should they should rebootlike with a good wait, what's

(05:28):
the reboot that you asked me ifI watched?
That's something else.

Wilson (05:32):
Oh, Robocop.

Captain (05:33):
Oh, RoboCop.
Robocop was mid.
Demolition Man was good.

Wilson (05:37):
I haven't seen it.

Captain (05:38):
I actually really, really recommend.
Demolished Man is is reallygood, and um Sandra Bullock is
in there, and she is like fullqueen Sandra.
Like Sandy is giving.
Um, love Sandy in that role.
Um so I would recommend.

Wilson (05:56):
I remember checking Letterbox that weekend
periodically, and I just keptseeing these 80s movies pop up.

Captain (06:03):
I don't know.
For some reason I was in themood, and then Demolition Man
hit so hard, I was like, okay, Iwant to do another one.
But the other ones were in it.
The other ones the other onesweren't as good.
I mean they were fine, but theyweren't as good.
Um yeah.
I don't even remember oh yeah.
Um okay, are the other thingsyou have in here are these

(06:25):
movies or are these are this isnot movies?

Wilson (06:28):
Half and half.

Captain (06:29):
Okay, give me the movie.

Wilson (06:31):
Uh so I several podcasts ago we watched the remake of
Prom Night with Britney Snow.
And I remember we talked about,well, you know, we read about
the plot of the original, and Iwas like, With Jamie Lee, yeah,
now I'm kind of intrigued.
So I watched it like two weeksago.
Uh it was fine.

Captain (06:52):
Oh.

Wilson (06:53):
The premise is fun, but uh it was yeah, it was it was
just fine.

Captain (06:57):
Did you put it on Letty?

Wilson (06:59):
I did.

Captain (07:01):
How come I uh this is always such a bitch to be like
to find your friend's diary youcan know.

Wilson (07:09):
Yeah, it's not easy to search people and then you have
to look at their diary.

Captain (07:15):
Um, I don't know, like how the fuck I hate slash like
this app.

Wilson (07:26):
Like I don't know how to I think like so you go to your
followers, you go to theirprofile, you scroll down, click
on diary, and then it shouldshow you.

Captain (07:34):
Who the fuck is diary?
Oh, I'm stupid.
Gotcha.
It's like it's like an actualpersonal journal, like a diary
that they're hiding from you.
Like you really have to searchfor it.

Wilson (07:47):
Um October 27th.

Captain (07:52):
Two and a half.
Did you see all the um sorry, Ijust clicked on the photo.
Um you saw all the comments youwere making about Jamie Lee
Curtis's like body when she waspromoting Freak Your Friday?

Wilson (08:07):
Like her gigantic breasts with all those comments.
Yeah.

Captain (08:12):
Um talk about like Googly Moogly.
Um I saw I saw so many videostalking about it.
Um but yeah, she's she's gotthe meatties out in uh in one of
these pictures, too.
Um Yeah, she didn't I don'treally didn't really see her
respond to any of it.
But I mean I guess what are yougonna say?

Wilson (08:33):
Um You right?

Captain (08:35):
Yeah, like correct?
Uh yeah, I don't know.
Um but so you would just sayit's fine.
You like the remake better.

Wilson (08:43):
Um well I feel like that's challenging to say
because the remake I like as anostalgic thing.
I watched it when I was ateenager and I don't know.

Captain (08:57):
About the remake, I remember pissed me off.

Wilson (08:59):
I like the soundtrack a lot.

Captain (09:01):
Something about the remake, I remember being like,
can you get the fuck out theway?
Or I can't I I don't remember,but I just remember being like
someone is not acting like ahuman.
Um okay.
Is that is that all you had?

Wilson (09:18):
I mean, I have one other thing, but do you want me well
about promenade, yeah, yeah,yeah.

Captain (09:22):
Okay, I have okay, this is super I I feel like I'm just
gonna add a segment to thispodcast called Captain's Weird
Animal Facts.
Um but I don't remember whythis came up.
I think I was listening to Ilistened to like a couple
science podcasts, and I think itmight have been in there, but
um okay, there's so out of allof like the living things on the

(09:43):
planet, there's only one truecyclops species, which I think
is so interesting.
Like truly has one central eye,and that is the way the entire
species is, and it's like alittle secreter.
Um Do you have a picture?
Oh.

Wilson (10:03):
I mean I can Google it, but I mean I just thought you'd
have a presentation ready.

Captain (10:08):
Oh my god! Um, I mean it's not that interesting to
look at, like, but I mean Icould show you.

Wilson (10:14):
I found it.

Captain (10:16):
So it's got like antennas and a big eyeball or a
central eyeball.

Wilson (10:20):
I'm sorry, how big is this thing?

Captain (10:23):
Oh, I think it's really tiny.
Like protozoa.

Wilson (10:27):
Oh.

Captain (10:28):
Well, maybe not protozoa, but it's pretty tiny.

Wilson (10:32):
I mean, I see what appears to be an eye.

Captain (10:35):
It's like red.
The eye is like a red dot.

Wilson (10:38):
Red?

Captain (10:39):
Yeah, it's usually red.

Wilson (10:40):
Ugh.

Captain (10:44):
Um, it says freshwater crustacean.
Um, oh yeah, also known aswater fleas, so they're that
tiny.

Wilson (10:53):
But they're not like uh sand fleas.

Captain (10:56):
No, they live in the water.
But I just it's just weird tolike they're they are the only
true species that they that ishow they naturally are, that
they are like fully cyclops, oneuh one central eye, and that's
like normal for them.
Um but like out of all theliving things on the planet, one
thing, one thing has remainedone eyelid or or one eyeball, or

(11:20):
well, I don't think you wouldevolve to one eye.
Actually, maybe you would.
I don't know, but I just thinkthat was interesting that like
that's the only one eyeballthing we've ever found.

Wilson (11:33):
Like how did you run across this?
It was just like a late nightthought, you're like, Are there
any cyclones?

Captain (11:40):
I think I listened, like I said, I think it was on
some science podcast I waslistening to.
There was something aboutevolution and like species, like
we like the it talked about umum do you know how like there
was like different humanoidspecies, and then Homo sapiens
were the ones that like won, butthere was like 17 different

(12:01):
like humanoid species.

Wilson (12:04):
Like sounds vaguely familiar.

Captain (12:06):
Like Neanderthals were like, or Neanderthals, whatever
the fuck, um, are like the onethat were like our biggest
rivals as like Homo sapiens, butyou know, we beat them, but
like they were similar in sizeand like brain, and like we
could mate with them.
I don't know if we could Idon't know if Homo sapiens could
mate with all the otherhumanoid species, but um that's

(12:28):
why like some people still haveNeanderthal DNA because like we
could mate with them.
Um, but like there was like abunch of them, and like you
know, the rest of them didn'tsurvive.
Homo sapiens won.
But um, like I don't know, itwas something about evolution,
and then it this random cyclopsspecies like came up in the
conversation.

(12:48):
Um yeah, it's like a cephalopodor something.
Cyclops.
Five millimeters long, um, andit's clearly divided into two
sections, but it has the onecentral, one large eye in the
center.
Usually red, baby, sometimesblack.
But yeah, I don't know.
I just was like, I mean, wedon't know a lot of the stuff

(13:10):
that's in the ocean, so there'sprobably a fuck ton of other
shit down there that we'll neverdiscover.
But um, we found one Cyclops,so I just I don't know.
It's just like weird to thinkabout.
Like, why?
Like, why does it do that?

Wilson (13:26):
Maybe you should have been like a like a researcher,
like a ocean person.

Captain (13:32):
An ocean person?

Wilson (13:33):
Marine biology.
That's the word I'm lookingfor.

Captain (13:36):
What was that?
A dolphin girl?
Uh a dolphin girl, yep.
Um, but yeah, that's my that'smy little daloon side, you know,
Captain Facts.
Is that the noise for your Idon't know, should Captain Fax?
I feel like I should have alittle um like the map song, but
the map song?

(13:57):
Yeah, like Dora the Explorer,but you know how it's like I'm
the map, I'm the map, you knowthat.
But are you for real?

Wilson (14:05):
I mean, I never really watched Dora the Explorer.

Captain (14:07):
I mean, I didn't watch it, but like Well, it sounds
like you knew it pretty well.
Well, I you know, my littlesister watched it, so maybe
that's why.
But don't give me that.
Um, but you don't like you knowyou have heard of the
characters in Dora the Explorer.

Wilson (14:26):
Yeah, I just I didn't know like the little map thing
had a song.

Captain (14:30):
The map has this song that like goes on forever.
That's like the whole like bitis that like you would know that
song because alright, you knowwhat?
Get out of here.
What what's this pH you got inhere?

Wilson (14:42):
Uh oh yeah, so um just unrelated note.
We uh went to a comedy showlast weekend.
Uh it was Pete Holmes.
I don't know.
Do you watch?

Captain (14:52):
Oh, yeah, yeah, I know who that is.
Yeah, yeah.

Wilson (14:54):
Uh he was actually really good.
Um yeah, I don't know.
If you don't really care abouthim, then like whack.
But um I thought that was coolto see.

Captain (15:06):
Does he have a was he like filming a special or no?

Wilson (15:10):
Uh he does have specials.
He might be filming one.
I mean, it definitely wasn'tfilmed here, but um yeah, I just
remember seeing his YouTubevideos like 10 years ago.
Um, so it was like kind of cooljust to see him in person.

Captain (15:25):
He's pretty funny.
You know, he has a podcast.
They all have podcasts.
They all have podcasts.
I mean, we have all podcasts.
Um yeah, I've definitely seenthis guy.
Like, I've seen videos of him.
Um he does have comedyspecials.

(15:46):
Did you you would have youwould never guess his middle
name unless you looked it up.

Wilson (15:50):
I didn't look it up.
What is it?

Captain (15:52):
It's a Benedict.

Wilson (15:53):
Benedict.
Peter Benedict Holmes.

Captain (15:57):
Um well, good for you.
I really want to go to morecomedy shows, actually.

Wilson (16:03):
Yeah, they're fun.
Um, oh actually, the one thingI like keep forgetting about
comedy shows is that they likethey pack you into those seats
and you're like very oftensharing a table with strangers.
Oh, you're just like butt tobutt, and like it just uh it's
fine.
I just forgot, and then likegoing immediately into a

(16:24):
situation where you were like afoot away from somebody else and
you like have to interact.
I just like I need a littlemore preparation for that, but
yeah.

Captain (16:34):
The last company show I went to was actually like a
micro show, like um they likethe room literally only held
like 32 people, like it was it'sa bitsy, yeah.
Okay, but it was actuallyreally cool, like you it's like
it almost feels like you found asecret spot to like you know.
But yeah, there's like thislittle comedy club wedged

(16:57):
between a bunch of bars in themain bar neighborhood, and um
like I I've walked past it athousand times.
I didn't even know it was acomedy club, but yeah, it's like
this tiny little spot, and theythey still pack you in like
sardines, but it doesn't holdthat very many people.
Um, but you're like reallynobody wants to sit in the front
row.
Like it's only three rows, andlike nobody wants to sit in the

(17:18):
front row.
So, like, you know, whoevergets their last gets you know in
the front and gets talked to,but um that luckily wasn't us,
so huh.

Wilson (17:28):
Yeah, I'm not a front row person.
Pete did not pick on people.
Um, however, I guess like therewas a couple that didn't show
up in the very front row, so hewas just like, Does anyone want
to come up here?
And this girl in front of us, Ifeel like jokingly was like,
Me.
And he was like, Okay, come uphere.
And then like her and her likepartner were like, they were

(17:51):
like, What do we what do we do?
And he's like, Are you are youcoming?
or they did eventually go upfront.

Captain (17:59):
Yeah, I I think he would have to preface it by
being like, Hey, I won't pick onyou if you come up here.

Wilson (18:04):
Yeah, and also I feel like you don't know, like, is
somebody showing up?
Are they in the bathroom?
Is there room for both of us?

Captain (18:12):
Yeah, that's fair.
But so you had to pick yourseat before you went?

Wilson (18:17):
Uh no.
Wait.
I don't think so.
I think it was just like hewanted somebody to come up
there.
Yeah, and I think when webought ours, it was like, do you
want VIP up front-ish or do youwant like further back?

Captain (18:32):
Okay.
I think one time I actually,thinking back, I think I did sit
in the front row one time for acomedy club, but um we were not
very talkative.
Like we didn't really he couldtell that we didn't really want
to interact, so he kind of leftus alone after a few minutes.
Oh, good.
Okay.
Um raid the room.
Yeah.
I was like, don't talk to me.
I don't want to.
I don't want to.

(18:53):
Anyway, um, okay.
Where are we at?
Um, how are we feeling?
Oh, are you drinking anything?

Wilson (19:01):
Yeah, I'm drinking a fucking cone.

Captain (19:03):
Oh, fucking coat.

Wilson (19:05):
I actually panicked earlier today because I like
looked in the mini fridge and Iwas like, oh god, I don't have
anything to drink.
Um, but they were hiding.

Captain (19:12):
So I'm I thought you I thought you were gonna say I
went to I had to go to my secretcone stash because my mini my
mini fridge was empty.
I had to go to my other conestash.

Wilson (19:25):
Oh no, no, no.
I wish.

Captain (19:27):
Uh okay, I'm drinking something I've never had before.
It's called Winbridge Cider.
Um oh, I think it's from York.
Uh by you.

Wilson (19:39):
Uh but I mean I mean I think I feel like York's like
probably closer to me.

Captain (19:45):
Um but it's cranberry.
Okay, I really wish I liked umpumpkin stuff.
I love pumpkin food.
Pumpkin food is so good.
Pumpkin liquid, not my fave.

Wilson (20:02):
I'll do a pumpkin beer.

Captain (20:03):
I just I don't know.
I've tried it and I'm just notlike I have some that someone
brought over.
They're just gonna fucking sithere.
But they brought thesecranberries.

Wilson (20:14):
I'm gonna drink them all.
There was um I I've been reallyupset recently because Costco
has not kept in stock theirFrench toast bagels.
I yeah, I got tricked because Iwent last week and I was like,
oh, that's the right shade ofbagel.
But no, they were pumpkinbagels.

Captain (20:34):
Wait, uh pumpkin bagels, okay.
Pumpkin bagels are delicious,and you're a fucking liar.

Wilson (20:40):
I guess I would I'm open to trying one, but you have to
buy like like two dozen bagelsor some shit whenever when you
if you go to Costco.
You have to buy like bulk, andI'm like, I don't need that many
pumpkin bagels, especially if Ihate them.

unknown (20:55):
Okay.

Captain (20:57):
Well, I've had pumpkin bagels before and they're
delicious.

Wilson (21:00):
So they reeked of pumpkin.
Like the package was closed,and I walked in the general
vicinity, and it was like I wasin a pumpkin pack.

Captain (21:08):
Okay, well, that's the way they should be.

Wilson (21:11):
Alright, well.

Captain (21:12):
I better be bombed with pumpkin.
Um, I um I think I taught- Ican't remember I told you this,
but um they make pumpkin.
Okay, they always do this tome.
Like they make there's pumpkinpopcorn I bought that was like
the greatest popcorn I ever had.

unknown (21:28):
Okay.

Captain (21:28):
Like two bags, gone forever.
Gone forever.
Never to be seen again.

Wilson (21:34):
Um can you get like pumpkin seasoning and just like
sprinkle it into a oh I don'tknow.

Captain (21:40):
I would need to like like you know, toss it.
You know what I mean?

Wilson (21:43):
Like I really gotta like are you like into popcorn?
Like, do you really likepopcorn?
I have a follow-up question,depending on your answer.

Captain (21:55):
Um, I would say popcorn's fine.
Uh it's the pumpkin, dude.

Wilson (22:00):
Well, okay, so I'm asking because we have this
thing, uh, it's called like awhirly pop, and you do it on the
stove.
And you can put in whatever youwant to.
So like you could put inpumpkin flavoring, and then you
like stir it in and you likecook it on the stove and it
would like bake in the pumpkin.

Captain (22:18):
So it sounds like in December we're whirly popping.

Wilson (22:23):
Yeah, I mean it you'd have to bring the pumpkin if you
wanted pumpkin, but otherwisewe can we can still have
popcorn.

Captain (22:31):
I I'm trying to think because I know they sell pumpkin
pie seasoning.
Uh but I don't I feel like Idon't know, I guess I've seen I
don't know.
Have I seen pumpkin seasoning?

Wilson (22:44):
Um, I mean I just Googled it.
You can get pumpkin spicepopcorn seasoning for $3.99.

Captain (22:52):
Like specifically for popcorn is crazy.

Wilson (22:55):
Yeah.
Yeah.

Captain (22:57):
Um okay, so it sounds like I'm gonna buy like seven
bottles of spice.
Seven bottles, yes.
And then we're gonna whirlypop.

Wilson (23:11):
We're gonna whirly pop it up.

Captain (23:13):
We're gonna whirly pop like you never popped before.

Wilson (23:16):
I just sent you uh a link.

Captain (23:20):
Yeah.
To Walmart.
That's making me confirm I'mnot a robot.
Um I'm sorry, you couldn't tellI was a robot or not?
It's asked me to it says we'renot sure.
Try again.

Wilson (23:38):
Sorry.

Captain (23:40):
Check marking everything.

Wilson (23:43):
Alright, well that's the d oh yeah, so we're in two two
podcasts from now.
We're bo we're recordingtogether.

Captain (23:50):
In two podcasts from now.

Wilson (23:52):
Well, the after this one and after the next one.

Captain (23:55):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm I math is hard.
Let's go shopping, you knowwhat I'm saying?
Um do we like this kernelseasoning brand?
I kind of hate whatever thefuck they have on the packaging.

Wilson (24:08):
Like I despise it.
I kind of like it.
I think it's cute.
It's a little popcorn kernelwith a hat.

Captain (24:16):
It's giving yeah, but it's giving um this is gonna
taste like trash because it'smarketed towards children.

Wilson (24:25):
Hmm, that is fair.

Captain (24:29):
That's that's the vibe that I'm getting, but you know,
I could be reading really far.
Too far.

Wilson (24:33):
You know, the top reviewer is great popcorn day
setting.

Captain (24:36):
So written by a child.

Wilson (24:39):
I mean Robin.
Also, the second one there iswritten by Mountain Girl, so I
don't know.
This gives off horse girlvibes.
Um I don't know.

Captain (24:51):
Alright, I I I think we're gonna have to whirly pop a
couple of like we'll gonna haveto try some different or report
back on the on this episode.

Wilson (25:02):
Oh, bring back Quiet Snack Initiative.

Captain (25:05):
Um I don't I think popcorn is medium volume.

Wilson (25:10):
It's the opposite of Quiet Snack Initiative, but half
of our snacks were uh alright.

Captain (25:16):
How about we uh Oh yeah, let's pop in here.
You you pop me in here.

Wilson (25:20):
Alright, alright.
I need to put down that fidgettoy that I just I just picked it
up.
What?

Captain (25:25):
Let me see it.

Wilson (25:26):
Um it looks like a Lego.
It's a magnet that slides likethis, so if I it makes like a
clicking noise when I slide ittogether.

Captain (25:37):
See, I can't hear it at all.

Wilson (25:39):
Oh, I heard it like bananas crazy.
Um I think because Zoom issilencing it, but Audacity will
not do that.
Uh-uh.

Captain (25:52):
Um, get me in here.
Get me in here.

Wilson (25:56):
Get you in here.
Alright, so welcome to the181st episode of the Red Rum
Podcast, where we review horrormovies while enjoying an adult
beverage or two.

Captain (26:06):
And I'm Captain.

Wilson (26:08):
And I'm Wilson, and this week we're reviewing the 2019
Australian horror film Blank.
Um, no, it's called calledAwoken.
Uh I like how you filled ineverything else about the film.

Captain (26:22):
Okay, because if you scroll up, the very first thing
I put in here is movie title.

Wilson (26:27):
So it's not my uh so this was directed by Daniel J.
Phillips.
Um he's done a couple shorts,but this sounds like this was
his like big uh theatricaldirectorial debut.
Well, okay, I don't think Iwent in theaters, but like a
movie feature-length uh film.
Um he does have an upcomingscreenplay for a movie called

(26:50):
Diabolic.

Captain (26:52):
Mm-hmm.
Wait, why does that say October25?

Wilson (26:56):
Did it already come out?
Well, I mean, you put this inhere.

Captain (27:01):
Yeah, but am I wrong?

Wilson (27:04):
Am I wrong?
I just thought of that likeclip of that guy yelling about
Glinda.

Captain (27:08):
Who?

Wilson (27:09):
It was like a really old video, and he's like, She flew
down in a bubble.
She was a witch.

Captain (27:15):
Her sister was a princess, yeah.
Oh no, I think this did alreadycome out.
It says a woman's hope for amiracle cure turns into a
nightmare when she confronts thevengeful spirit of a cursed
witch.

Wilson (27:27):
Um, this has an 8.2 out of 10 on IMDB, which is
significantly higher than thisfilm.

Captain (27:33):
Oh, sorry.
It says coming soon.
Oh, it'll be out by the timethis comes out.
I don't know why I wroteOctober.
It says November.

Wilson (27:43):
The Girl Out looks familiar as some movie we saw
recently, but couldn't tell you.

Captain (27:49):
She loves look-alike actors.
Like he either he loves them orum this is we're like getting
into such a full circle thatlike nobody can look different.

Wilson (28:03):
Nope.
Uh his IMDB photo reminds me oflike a LinkedIn picture.

Captain (28:10):
Um, there are IMBD photos that I've seen like that.
He's not alone.
Um I I don't think we're gonnabe able to watch this diabolic
movie because it's Australian.
So like, well maybe eventuallystreaming, but I don't think
it'd be like out and about.

Wilson (28:24):
I mean eventually.
This movie is Australian.

Captain (28:26):
No, I sorry, I just mean like we won't we probably
won't be able to see it intheaters.

Wilson (28:30):
Oh, yeah.

Captain (28:31):
I doesn't it's not giving that.

Wilson (28:35):
Who knows?
Who knows?
Uh alright, so that was that'shim.
That's Dan Dan Daniel.
Yep.
Uh okay, so we got some cast.
Sarah West plays Carla.
Um she was in a film calledDon't Tell.
She was nominated for an AACTAaward.

Captain (28:57):
Uh Australian something.

Wilson (29:00):
Australian something something.
Um, and she's in an Australiansoap opera called Neighbours.
So probably well known overthere in Australia.

Captain (29:10):
Australia.

Wilson (29:11):
Uh Eric Thompson as Robert.
Um, so he played Hades in theHercules uh television series.
He was in Xena, uh YoungHercules.

Captain (29:24):
Xena Princess Warrior Princess is like actually a real
show that uh was over in theUS.

Wilson (29:30):
So I mean Hercules was too.

Captain (29:34):
Oh, really?

Wilson (29:34):
Are you telling me you do not watch Hercules?

Captain (29:36):
Like you give off the show?
I mean I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
Finish that sentence.
Sir, I give off what?

Wilson (29:48):
I mean, like these animated like kids movies and TV
shows, because whenever I'mlike, I don't know what that is,
and you're like, Wait, YoungHercules is an animated show?
Well, no, I clicked one andit's not.
Um, is that Ryan Gosling?
That is Ryan Gosling.

Captain (30:03):
He worked with the R RG.

Wilson (30:07):
The RG.
And Sam Raimi was an executiveproducer on this show.
I wonder if it was good.

Captain (30:14):
Young Hercules?
I mean, it could be.

Wilson (30:16):
Oh, it was a Fox Kids show.
Okay, so we did have it in theUnited States.

Captain (30:24):
Oh, that is Ryan Gosling.
Wow, that man never changes,huh?
Well, actually, he just filledhis face with a bunch of shit,
so.

Wilson (30:30):
Well.

Captain (30:31):
Okay, go on.

Wilson (30:33):
Go on.
Um.
Oh yeah.
And then we have Benson JackAnthony as Blake.
Um, he's done some animatedvoice acting roles.

Captain (30:45):
Yeah, I don't really recognize them, but there were
some ones in there.

Wilson (30:50):
Uh, we also had Matt Crook.
Uh he was a pretty big personin this movie.
Who?
Um, Pat?
Pat.
Who?
Did I say Pat?
No, was he Pat?
Oh yeah, sorry, yes.
He played Patrick.
Um I don't I'm not familiarwith any of these things.

(31:12):
I wonder if he's alsoAustralian?
Yeah, like I was gonna sayheavily Australian, but that um
okay.
So that's that's some of thecast.

Captain (31:25):
Uh we can jump into the Yeah, so the movie starts out
with um like not comic sans.
I don't know what font theywere trying to use that um it
has on the screen that one inthree people have sleep
disorders.
95% of those people don'tsurvive if they go more than if
they go 18 days without sleep.
And it says the people thatsurvive that don't need doctors,

(31:48):
dot dot dot, they need priests.

Wilson (31:50):
That like felt like a line out of like, I don't know,
scary movie or like uh Ohreally?
I don't know.
It's like you need a priest.
I it just it was like verywhatever.
I don't know.
Who knows what I'm talkingabout?

Captain (32:05):
I I mean I don't know.
I uh i it was fine.
I don't know, I thought it wasfine for me, but I so what it's
giving me the information that Ineed.

Wilson (32:17):
That's fair.
Um so the opening scene is likea little kid that I'm pretty
sure is being molested by hisfather, and the father goes into
his brother's room, I think, tothen molest him also.

Captain (32:31):
Um yeah, to get him to shut up, yeah.

Wilson (32:35):
Yeah, and then I think there are better ways.
Um, but uh the little kid'slike eyes turn white and he
turns all demonic.

Captain (32:44):
Yeah and he speaks Latin.
Yeah, the typical um you know,that everyday thing that we see
when people need exorcisms.

Wilson (32:55):
Yeah, and then I think we see the dad die here or yeah,
I think Cody like the future.

Captain (33:00):
Yeah, the kid's name's Cody, and yeah, the implication
is yeah, that his dad's beenlike sliced or whatever.
Um, and then it cuts to collegemed students, Carla, um, who
what's her friend's name?
Alice.
The two of them are in class,and like, yeah, they're medical
students, but I guess they're uhfocusing in like uh neurology

(33:24):
or something, because it's likethey're in class about
neurological science symptoms,signs, diseases, but um it makes
sense because we find outquickly that Carla's brother,
Blake, has developed a rare FFIdisease, fatal familial
insomnia.
That's a real thing, by theway.

(33:45):
I looked it up.

Wilson (33:46):
I feel like I had heard about it before.
It is, I mean, that is veryfair uh terrifying.

Captain (33:52):
Yeah, it's like a real neurodegenerative disease that
eventually does kill you.

Wilson (33:57):
I I um I know part of the synopsis is from Wikipedia,
but I am confused by how thatsentence is worded, because it
says she's a med student whosebrother has a rare disorder
after witnessing their parentsdie in a murder suicide.
So is it implying that he gotthe rare disorder disorder after

(34:19):
wit like because he witnessedthat?

Captain (34:22):
That is what that sounds like, but that's not how
FFI works.
So um yeah, I don't know.
But that's I mean, I guess didthey even die in a murder
suicide?
Like, I don't know if I'd callit that.

Wilson (34:40):
I mean, I guess the police probably reported it that
way, or that's what the personthat we'll identify later
reported it as.

Captain (34:48):
Yeah, anyway, um, yeah, she's like really upset about
her brother.
Um her brother's in thehospital.
Um, because she's upset abouther brother, she's also like
dealing with insomnia.
Um, but her brother has likethis actual FFI uh diagnosis.
Um and then I'm not reallysure.
So I guess the hospital likedecided that they can't help

(35:11):
him.
Like he's gone like more thanthe 18 days that people usually
don't survive, and they werelike, you really should just
take him home and let him becomfortable at home for the last
few moments, I guess.
Right?
And then her professor waslike, Okay, I got you something.
We can take him to this oldbasement where I used to conceal

(35:34):
sleep studies.
I said, sir, conceal is theword we're using.

Wilson (35:38):
Immediate red flag.

Captain (35:40):
Huge red flag.
Like, how is that the bestoption?

Wilson (35:43):
I mean, I guess she's desperate and she trusts this
man.

Captain (35:48):
I just I heard the word conceal.
I said, absolutely not.
Like, um, yeah, I she I meanshe was she was upset that the
hospital said like we're gonnaturn him away because um, you
know, she was like, he's justgonna die at home.
If you if you tell me to takehim home, he's just gonna die
there.
Which I don't know.
They basically were like, he'sgonna die here too.

(36:08):
Like, we can't help him.

Wilson (36:10):
Um, but then what?
Yeah, they still decide tosneak him out of the hospital,
even though they were gonnarelease him anyway.

Captain (36:17):
Yeah, I'm confused about the sneaking.
I don't really know what thatwas about.
And then this Dr.
Robert guy, her professor slashboss, was like, yeah, here
we'll take him to the secretbasement where I used to conceal
these illegal sleep studies.
Um, and um nobody knows aboutit because he should be shut
down, but it's not.
He's like, I he basically saidhe like squirreled away drugs

(36:42):
that he's not supposed to beusing.
Like he like, you know what Imean?
He was like, you know, I waslike, sir, what is that?
Why are we trusting this manwith other people's lives?

Wilson (36:52):
Also, how is he not caught?

Captain (36:54):
Because like they watched There are other people
very closely.
Oh yeah, that's true.
Like he was if he's giving, youknow, opioids or whatever, I'm
like, sir, the DEA is gonnacatch that there are supplies
missing.
Um, but there are other peopledown there.
Like, it's not just Blake,there are two other students or
people down there.
I'm like, why are these peoplenot like being searched for?

Wilson (37:18):
Or like they're locked in this basement.
There's like no TV, there'slike this horrendous bright
overhead light on constantly.
And did you see any food downthere?

Captain (37:31):
Nope.
No kitchen, nope, nothing.
Um, okay, so she brings herbrother down there, and then
what happens?
Um, we meet Patrick.
Well, kind of.
We meet about we learn abouthis history, I guess.
That him and Carla used to dateor whatever.
Um, and then I think shortlyafter, or like that first night

(37:56):
they spend down there, her andher friend Alice find that
hidden box in the wall.

Wilson (38:02):
Yes, which was full of old VHS tapes of uh Carla's dad
during a sleep study or whateverthat he did trying to cure
their mom or her mom.

Captain (38:14):
Yeah, Sarah.
Um, so they like filmed thewhole thing back in the 70s or
80s or whatever.
Um, 70s.
Um, no, that's too old.
I guess 80s.
Um, but um it was like a bunchof doctors.
Robert was there, their dad wasa doctor, and then um they
brought a priest in because Iguess Sarah was kind of

(38:35):
religious sometimes.

Wilson (38:37):
Um, but what it's like the sometimes.

Captain (38:42):
I don't know.
It sounded like the husband,their dad was really, you know,
very science-y, but like soundslike their mom, you know,
believed in some type ofreligion.
Um, I guess Catholicism, but sothere's a priest there that's
kind of like also watching thisand seeing if he can help at
all.
Um but I can't remember.

(39:05):
They they watch the tapes andthen I don't even remember what
happens after that.
I think they hide it becausethey think someone's coming, and
then Blake they start likeseeing the scenes of Blake doing
weird shit, like ripping pagesout of the Bible.
That all happens like withinthe first night or second night.

(39:29):
Um so yeah, he's like in atrance ripping pages out of a
Bible, and then like the nextday, you know, the one of the
girls in the sleep study withhim, Angela's like terrified of
him as he's acting like happy golucky.

Wilson (39:43):
Um, they're locked in this room, which doesn't have a
bathroom, by the way.
And this kid's like chanting,and she just has to stay there.
I'd be freaked out too.

Captain (39:55):
Yeah, she's like terrified of him.
Um and basically as we cutbetween current times and them
watching the tapes, like overthe course of a few nights, it's
like Sarah, Blake's doing a lotof stuff.
Sarah, her mom was doing in thetapes, like again, ripping the
pages out of the Bible andchanting and scaring other
patients.
Um Angela does eventually tellCarla that Blake is trying to

(40:19):
kill her.
Um, but you know, nobody elsereally believes her.
Um, however, shortly afterthat, Angela um like I don't uh
that scene of her likecommitting suicide, like um
she's terrified of Blake and islike screaming at him to stop
whatever he's doing.
Um, I guess chanty in thecorner, and then like she

(40:41):
suddenly snaps out of it andthen just like calmly hangs
herself.

Wilson (40:47):
Um yeah, she gets like half possessed.
I guess the yeah.

Captain (40:54):
Oh, and Blake says this is a present for you, KJ.
And like smirks at her.
Well, demon voice, I shouldsay.

Wilson (41:01):
Right, yeah.

Captain (41:02):
Um, because he's like in and out of demon voice a lot
of the movie.
Um so I think um they decidethat they want to leave, right?
Because Angela's dead, butRobert, the Dr.
Robert guy was like, you know,oh shoot, the elevator stuck and
the staircases collapsed.

(41:23):
And um I can make a phone callto try to get somebody to come
out here and help us.
Um, but when he talks to theguy on the phone, he says it'll
be like at least like theafternoon of like the following
day, which is like such a notnormal response.
Like if you hear humans aretrapped like in a underground,

(41:44):
like that is I'm kind of busy.
Yeah, you're not gonna be likeat the bottom of the maintenance
list.
Like I immediately I was like,this man is shisty as hell.
There is no way that was a realconversation.
Like nobody else was could hearnothing.
So I was like, I don't, I don'tbelieve this guy for a second,
which you know your girl knew,so called it.

(42:06):
Called it.
Um, but yeah, so now they'relike, oh shoot, we're stuck.
Um but um yeah, I I I don'tknow, I kind of lost it.
They had like a couple of sadconversations at one point.
Um Blake chokes his own sisterin demon voice, right?

Wilson (42:27):
Yes, he does.
Yes.
Okay, I forgot about that.

Captain (42:30):
And then um, oh, I think shortly after this, um I
don't know.
Sarah does a bunch of creepyshit in the videos too, but it
really turns around when Aliceis like, okay, we need to, like,
I've been looking at thispriest journal that was in

(42:50):
hidden behind the wall, andlike, um, we need to do a
motherfucking exorcism.
Like, I I know that we all aremen students and we believe in
science, but like it's all inthis priest journal.
Like, we gotta do this.
They don't believe her, um, butthat kind of backfires on them
because Alice um dies likepretty quickly.

Wilson (43:09):
Yeah, she goes to a room by herself and she like hears
something in the vent, and thenwe like see her kind of later,
and her eyes are all bloody,hands are bloody, and then she
like possess attacks Patrick atCarla.

Captain (43:21):
Yeah, but she's like just basically burns herself
alive on the from the inside.

Wilson (43:26):
Yes.
They like she disconnects apower cable and sticks it in her
throat, or something like that.

Captain (43:33):
Mm-hmm.
She's dead so.
Um They do watch the very finaltape um around this time, and
it is um the priest saying,like, you know, everything went
to shit.
Um, I'm hiding these tapes inthe wall.
Whoever finds these, you haveto know that um the Robert

(43:55):
doctor guy is responsible forall the deaths that happened.
And then it ends with um himlike shoving the tape recorder
in the wall, but you can hearRobert like basically attacking
him and and killing him.
So the doctor that this is thedoctor that still currently is
alive and running this sleepstudy.

(44:15):
So, like, that's the sh, youknow.
Not only did I call that he wasshy at the beginning with this
phone call, but like he fullyshows himself at the end there
when it's obvious that he haskilled, he killed the priest um
a couple of years ago.
Um, so Carla was like, okay, weum, you know, I think her and
Patrick are still there andstill alive, and they're like,

(44:36):
we gotta um we we gotta try todo an exorcism, Blake.
So she grabs the priest journaland she acts like she's never
read a prayer before in herlife.
Oh, I don't understand, like,okay, I get it.
We're you're supposed to belike hard science person, cool.
But like she acts like she'snever she doesn't even know how

(44:58):
incantations the concept of howthat they work, where you have
to like finish them, read themand like you have to start,
read, and finish them in thatorder.

Wilson (45:08):
Like she's she she stops constantly.

Captain (45:10):
She's like flipping through the journal and like
just reading random Bibleversions.

Wilson (45:14):
I don't know what that was about.
I guess she was trying to findthe incantation to like see what
would work, but yeah, and thenshe does find some type of
incantation that starts to work,but she's like not like fucking
reading it.

Captain (45:25):
I'm like, girl, you gotta like we gotta go.

Wilson (45:28):
Yeah.

Captain (45:29):
I know you like if we want to live in this universe of
where you've never seenexorcism before, like, fine, but
I girl, I know you've seen likeuh how a prayer works.
Like, gotta read the wholething.
I I don't know.
Um but yeah, because she's likestopping um and and Patrick's
trying to help whatever, it'snot the Dr.

(45:52):
Robert guy comes in and stopsthem.
He actually like stabs uhPatrick with like a switch
blade.
Um and then I think knocksCarla out and she wakes up.

Wilson (46:07):
Well, before that, he or she throws that uh hydrochloric
acid in his face.
Yeah that was just sitting onthe floor.

Captain (46:14):
Yeah, just chillin', bottle on the floor, just
chilling, right in his face.
Yeah, he's got a bubbly cheek.
Um but Carla wakes up and um wefind out that oh I wanted to
look that up if that's a realdemon.
Um but we find out that um theRobert guy said, Um, oh Carla
said, why didn't you just killme?

(46:35):
And he said, Um, I needed to,or he said, uh a demo um
consumes the stronger, or sorry,needs to consume because the
more he consumes, the strongerhe be he becomes.
So I needed all of you alive.
Um and he basically uh explainshis motive.
So he was that boy in thebeginning of the movie that was

(46:57):
being molested, and he calledthat man his monster, and he
said the demon, this demon, ademo, saved him because it
possessed Cody, and Cody killedthe monster.
Um, so because of that, hedecided that he wanted to save a
demo and free him into theworld so he can repay the favor.

(47:18):
Um I agree with you that thatrationale is a little hooky
kooky.

Wilson (47:26):
Like, okay, I'm a little far.

Captain (47:29):
I I understand your abuser's dead, but like we do
know that it's it is a demonthat we're freeing.
Like it is it's still a demon.

Wilson (47:43):
Like, I feel like they could have given a throwaway
line in there, like, oh, inreturn, the demon requests that
you freed him.
And be like, okay.
Oh that makes sense.
No, but no, the demon didn't asfar as we saw the demon request
anything, it just killed hisabuser.

Captain (47:59):
This was free choice.
Yeah.
This was full free will.

Wilson (48:04):
Um And then his sibling killed himself to stop the demon
from being freed, and thebrother was like, Oh, you know
what, I'm gonna make it my lifegoal to free the demon.
Were those brothers I I I meancaptives?

Captain (48:20):
There were a lot of boys in that house, so I thought
that was actually a sleepstudy.
Or sorry, like a sleep, like aninpatient asylum for sleep
patients.

Wilson (48:33):
I don't know.
That guy did not look like hewas any sort of medical
professional.

Captain (48:38):
Oh, well, yeah.
I yeah, I mean I didn't thinkthat guy was medical
professional, the abuser, but II don't know.
It doesn't really specify, butyes, Cody does kill himself to
prevent the demon from freeinghim from being free.
And Robert was like, you knowwhat, man?

Wilson (48:55):
I want more of that.

Captain (48:56):
Yeah, we're doing more of that.
Um and I they they don't gointo a ton of detail, but I I I
think they implied it enoughthat I understand that it sounds
like you know, uh like thedemon he he needs to he needs a
human host, um, and he needs tolike feed on that human host and

(49:20):
feed on other people aroundthat human host, and then once
he feeds on enough people, um,he's strong enough to be free,
but it his initial like contactpoint has to be through somebody
that has insomnia, andtypically those people that have
insomnia don't live long enoughfor him to get strong enough to
be free, like they die beforehe they can they die before he

(49:42):
can be strong enough to freehimself.
So um Blake is just a specialcase where like he's gone way
beyond the 18-day mark ofusually where insomnia would
kill you.
Um so Robert is like protectingBlake at all cost, not allowing
him to be exercised becausehe's trying to free this demon.
Um so at least that part in thescheme of this universe of the

(50:04):
movie makes sense.
Um so that's why he stops themfrom doing the exorcism.
Um, and he, you know, tellsthat story to Carla.
Um but I don't know, the endgets really weird where like,
you know, he's doing the he'strying to, he's reading the
special incantation to get thedemon free from the human host,

(50:25):
and Blake's like cutting hiseyes out.
I was like, what is happening?
You know what I mean?

Wilson (50:31):
Yeah, well it's like I they showed this earlier in the
film too.
I don't even know if they'recutting their eyes out.
It just looks like they'recutting like their eyelid just
above the eye, because the eyelooks fine.

Captain (50:41):
Oh, it's just like wide eyeing all the way, basically.

Wilson (50:44):
Yeah, I don't uh yeah, I don't get it.

Captain (50:47):
Um, but you know, KJ they get to a scene where like
KJ is reading like verses fromthe Bible to free him, and at
the same time that uh Robert isreading like demon-freeing
incantations.
Like they're reading they'relike reading at Blake at the

(51:08):
same time, so it looks a littlefunky.

Wilson (51:10):
Uh but I think like doesn't the doctor say something
that pisses the demon off thathe's like, you don't control me?

Captain (51:17):
Yeah, I think part of the incantation, which I don't
think the doctor fullyunderstood the Latin that he was
reading, but it sounded likepart of that says, like, you
know, I I'm assuming the onlyreason that even exists is
because someone wanted tocontrol it, use a demon, you
know, to do something for them.
And so the he was reading thatincantation, the demon like

(51:37):
stops him and was like, Youdon't control me, like you can't
tell me what to do.
Um, and he was like, No, that'snot what I was trying to do,
but it's too late.
The demon like possesses himand quickly makes him kill
himself, like fall on a stakethat's somehow in this basement.
Um, so he's out the picturereal quick, which again, I was

(51:57):
like, dude, I could have toldyou that.
You're trying to free a demon.
Like, it's not gonna be a buddybuddy on your side.

Wilson (52:04):
Right.

Captain (52:04):
Um so yeah, KJ is there to um try to finish.
What she did she finish theexorcism?
Oh no.
She tries to and then she justgives up and says, Blake, fight
him, fight him.
I guess Blake does.

Wilson (52:20):
Yeah, then you see like some effects of a ghostly
demonic figure being sucked outof the body and disappears into
the ground.

Captain (52:30):
I'm like, he just fights the demon out.
I'm like, well, we could haveall done that.
Like Blake's barely alive.
He's hasn't slept for like 25days or something.

Wilson (52:42):
Like, yeah.
Um so then it went cuts tothree days later, they're
sleeping in the hospital, and itzooms in to Carla's eye.

Captain (52:52):
Yeah, and you can hear demon whispers, which is what
was happening to Blake.
So it sounds like the demon isnow affecting her, which again,
she she kind of had sleep umparalysis, or not paralysis,
sorry.
She had like insomnia issues umthis whole time.
But I is it the movie impliesit's like mostly stressed from
her brother, but now it soundslike it's gonna be like involved

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with the demon.

Wilson (53:15):
So Yeah, I still don't really understand why the doctor
like needed to collect thesepeople in the basement because
this demon clearly can just goantagonize whoever he wants.
Like, I is the doctor making itworse to make sure the demon
can get in.

Captain (53:31):
Like, I don't What do you mean?
I think the demon just needssomebody that has insomnia to
start.

Wilson (53:38):
Yeah.

Captain (53:38):
And then, like, through living in that human host and
using that human host to likekill other people, he gets
stronger.

Wilson (53:47):
Well, yeah, but I guess like at the end we see that it's
implying that she's probablygonna get possessed or
something.
But she's not in that lab thatthat that doctor put together,
so why did the doctor need likethis sleep study lab to try to
freeze?

Captain (54:04):
I think he was I think he was trying to find somebody
that could survive long.
So he was just collectingpeople that had insomnia to see
if any of them could like livelong, which Blake happened to be
able to do that.

Wilson (54:15):
Okay.

Captain (54:17):
Yeah.

Wilson (54:18):
So interesting.

Captain (54:21):
He was like fishing, basically, but he caught
something.
Yeah, yeah, I did.
Um yeah, that's what we got.
Did you find a demu is a realthat I'm assuming that's a real
demon?

Wilson (54:36):
I did read about it very briefly.
Um, so I guess they changed thespelling.
It typically starts with an E.
Um It's like a loose, I guess,interpretation.
The a Dimu is um it's like aMesopotamian type uh it's always

(54:56):
Mesopotamia.
Yeah.
Um but they were known as likewind spirits that suck the life
out of the susceptible and thesleeping.

Captain (55:07):
Okay.

Wilson (55:08):
So sorta, sorta, kinda.

Captain (55:12):
It's close enough.
Um yeah, the one thing onWikipedia says that they were
envisioned to be ghosts thatwere not buried properly.
So yeah, they're loose isdefinitely yeah.

Wilson (55:27):
Yeah, well good for them.
They A for effort um ish.

Captain (55:31):
Yeah, I I always kind of wonder how these movies
start, because I'm like, did youjust like happen to come upon
like certain demons like andwhat they're known for and
decide like to make a movieabout that?

Wilson (55:44):
Or I feel like it's probably like I want to tell
this type of story, so let's dosome research of like anything
that already exists that wecould say is the bad guy.

Captain (55:56):
Hmm.

Wilson (55:57):
Like, I don't know.

Captain (55:58):
Um I did look up I did uh look up like um FFI like in a
little bit more detail, but itis a neurodegenerative disease
that um seems to be from prions,which are like um they're like
um normal protein that um iscopied in your body, but a prion

(56:20):
is like a protein that's copiedincorrectly, like it's folded
wrong, and because it's foldedwrong, it like creates a bunch
of cell death in your body orlike cell um like mutations that
like destroy your body from theinside.

Wilson (56:35):
I've heard of like other diseases caused by that, like
it's a whole family of yeah,prions are like really scary.

Captain (56:42):
Like people do um research on prions, and I it
always like freaks me outbecause like they're basically
like considered infectiousbecause they're peak we don't
fully understand them.
So even if like an animal isgiven a prion, we're like don't
don't fucking touch it.

Wilson (56:57):
Like yeah, because isn't that what mad cow disease is
too?

Captain (57:00):
Oh yeah, I think yeah, yeah, I think it is.
But yeah, we like I don't thinkwe fully under like we still I
don't fully understand them andthey're just like scary.
So because it's like it justlike you wouldn't think
misfolded protein it causes sucha problem, but it's I mean it
like folds wrong and your body'slike you know, I mean it's just
a destructive force inside.

(57:21):
So um, but yeah, because ofthat, it like destroys your
brain basically.
Um in this in FFI, like youeventually like you can't sleep,
and then you know you'll getdementia, you'll get Alzheimer's
really early, but you know,within a few months, usually
people just you know, they justdie because they can't like your
brain just cannot sleep.
That sounds so brutal terribletorture.

(57:46):
Like, I get it that peoplewould want to kill themselves.
Like I mean, oh I can't evenimagine.
Um there's a similar, I don'tthink this is a prion disease,
but there's a similar disease,but it's the opposite.
Like I I've heard of it before,actually, but like sleeping
beauty disease is when peopleget hypersomnia where like

(58:07):
they'll like naturally like theyjust sleep for like 24 hours,
like in random random uh youknow uh circumstances.
Um I actually watched a TikTokof somebody that was going
through this and like explainingtheir story of how they got
diagnosed.
Um because like just big chunksof time would be missing where

(58:28):
they'd be like sleeping for twodays.
Like really scary.
Like it didn't like Is thatdeadly too?

Wilson (58:36):
Do they just like eventually not wake up or what?

Captain (58:39):
Um I don't know if that's deadly actually, but they
just like sleep for really longperiods of time.
Um some episodes can last forweeks, it says.
Um but yeah, they'll like sleepfor like 20 hours a day, wake
up very occasionally to like eatferociously, use the bathroom
and then like immediately fallback asleep.
Like eating in and using thebathroom in like a half sleep

(59:02):
state, basically, just to justit's called um KLS.
Um Klein Levin syndrome.
Oh yeah, they briefly mentionedthat in the movie.
They talk about that in class.

Wilson (59:14):
Okay.

Captain (59:16):
Um oh yeah, and that's the other thing.
It part of this disease is likeyou lose inhibitions, and
because you have likehypersomnia, you get other like
hyperactivity.
Um, and sometimes it causeslike um like um like basically
like insane sexual desire.
Like people get in really scarysituations because of this

(59:38):
disease where they just likethrow themselves into like not
like very dangerous sex uh likeyou know, circumstances.
Um also not fully understood.
KLS.
But yeah, very weird, like veryinteresting to read about.
Like I could listen to a wholepodcast about it, but it kind of
makes me grateful that like mysle at least I have sleep, you

(59:59):
know.
At least out of all theproblems I can do.
I have a normal sleep personbody.
Um yeah.
Anyway.
Um do we have anything?
Have anything to mention?
I don't really have a lot ofnumnums.

Wilson (01:00:15):
Oh my gosh.
Yeah, it doesn't seem likethere are numdums for this
movie.

Captain (01:00:20):
Um I don't think it was in theaters, like you said.

Wilson (01:00:24):
Yeah, let me see the average letterbox rating.
I feel like it was a twosomething.

Captain (01:00:30):
Is Letterbox have like literally every movie on here?
I've never searched a movie andit's not been on here.

Wilson (01:00:36):
Yeah, I don't know where they like pull from.
Um the average rating onletterbox is 2.2.
I gave it a 1.

Captain (01:00:42):
Oh my god.

Wilson (01:00:44):
Yeah, and I also gave it an 11%.

Captain (01:00:47):
Wow, you already rated it?
Um I don't think it's that bad.

Wilson (01:00:51):
Um I would give it because I was looking at my
below rating, like the the moviewe did last time, and it's
like, well, I liked belowbetter.

Captain (01:00:59):
And below I gave a 15, so I would say I don't think
this movie's that bad.
The script is rough, but theythey do the best they can with
the acting.
Like for a movie that is youknow, this kind of like I don't
know if niche is the right word,but like, you know, it doesn't
have a big theatrical release,it doesn't have like a ton of

(01:01:22):
marketing.
I I would I would expect wayworse.
You know what I mean?
Um I don't think this movie isthat bad.
I'm gonna give it like a 45.

Wilson (01:01:37):
Wow.

Captain (01:01:38):
I think I'm gonna give it generous.
That's generous.
Um, like there's a story.
There's a beginning, there's anend.

Wilson (01:01:48):
Um it's like the bare minimum.

Captain (01:01:52):
There's uh there is like the revelation scene where
it's like, oh my god, thedoctor's been crazy and shicey
the whole time.

Wilson (01:01:58):
But yeah, but you called that from the beginning.

Captain (01:02:01):
It's a little too obvious in the beginning.
So it would be nice if therewas more of a shock value.
Um yeah, I'm gonna give it twostars.
Um what what what's the hotgoss we got?

Wilson (01:02:20):
Uh it's pretty average.
Um the director drewinspiration from um the Russian
sleep experiment, um which isheavily about sleep deprivation.
Also use the exorcist andconjuring as uh light
influences, it seems like.

Captain (01:02:40):
Is the Russian sleep experiment did we learn about
that in college?

Wilson (01:02:44):
I don't think so.

Captain (01:02:46):
Is this like just a torture experiment to see how
long people can go withoutsleep?

Wilson (01:02:50):
This looks like it's fake.

Captain (01:02:53):
Oh.
Oh, it's a creepy pasta.
Oh yeah, it's just like atorture sleep story.
Urban legend.

Wilson (01:03:03):
Yeah, okay.
Um it also I didn't catch this,but uh the director wanted to
make a film that had threedistinct styles of heaven,
earth, and hell, and I guess youcan see it as colors in the
film.
I would I would never havecaught that.
Like never ever ever ever.

Captain (01:03:23):
I didn't I I actually caught it at the end, but that
was only because I I wrote thisin here earlier.
But I do remember the moviebeing very blue and light in the
beginning, and then it getsvery like dark and amber, like a
uh like a warm, you know, fierykind of tone to it at the end.
But if you go back to thebeginning, it does start very

(01:03:44):
like fluorescent and like kindof you know blue-toned.
Um so I mean they did it, it'sin there.

Wilson (01:03:53):
Okay, sure.
Yeah, I'll take it.

Captain (01:03:56):
Um yeah, and that's the FFI thing.

Wilson (01:04:00):
Yeah, we talked about FFI.

Captain (01:04:02):
Yeah, I think that link in there was from somebody
actually interviewed him, butum, it wasn't really that
interesting.
I already pulled out the mostinteresting thing, which were
the two things you just youalready read.

Wilson (01:04:13):
Okay.
I'll do an honorable mention tosometimes I like to read on
IMDB um the trivia, but like thetrivia that people downvote the
most.

Captain (01:04:23):
Okay.

Wilson (01:04:24):
Um the one that's most downvoted is it says the medical
acronym FFI stands for FatalFamilial Insomnia.
I'm like, okay, well, did youwatch the movie?

Captain (01:04:34):
I mean I know they do say that.
It's like literally written ona slide.

Wilson (01:04:41):
Yikes.
Um, yeah, I don't know.
That's all I got.

Captain (01:04:45):
Um what's your um you got a you got a rag?

Wilson (01:04:48):
Oh man.

Captain (01:04:50):
So you would like not recommend.
You like hate this.

Wilson (01:04:54):
I don't and well, I don't hate it.
I just I don't know who I wouldrecommend this movie to.
Like if you're like really intosleep disorders.

Captain (01:05:02):
Like, I guess this is more of an exorcism movie, which
there are just way betterexorcism movies.
Actually, it's not like anexorcism did not get completed.

Wilson (01:05:11):
Well, it sort of did.

Captain (01:05:14):
He just fought it out with hope.
I don't know.

unknown (01:05:18):
Yeah.

Wilson (01:05:19):
Um, okay.
I a raise of glass.
If anything, I did like thescene where like it was the
video of the dad, you know,monitoring the sleep studies,
and it like the camera pans upand the wife is just like right
up in the glass staring at him,the the one-way glass.
Um I thought that was good.
I like that.

Captain (01:05:37):
Yeah, and uh that scene's even cooler because
right after, like if they'rewatching this in a tape and they
like rewind the tape and watchit back, and Sarah's not in
there that position anymore.

Wilson (01:05:49):
Uh well, so there's two scenes like that, because
there's the one where they werein a different room watching the
tape, um, and like you saw herin the background really quick,
and then they pan back or theyrerund it and she wasn't there.
But I was talking about adifferent scene.

Captain (01:06:05):
Oh.

Wilson (01:06:06):
Where she's like right up against the two-way glass.

Captain (01:06:09):
Oh, that one looked up and she was just like staring,
and he's like, he's like, he sheshouldn't be able to see us.

Wilson (01:06:16):
Yeah.

Captain (01:06:17):
Okay, that okay, that was towards the end.
Um, I think my raise the glassis right before kind of like the
big turn where like, you know,before Alice dies, um, she
basically, you know, uh Carlaand Patrick are like sitting
there watching these, rewatching these tapes from a

(01:06:38):
couple of decades ago.
And Alice walks in and she'slike, You guys both gotta see
this.
And she was explains then thatshe's been reading this uh
priest's journal that has likethese incantations in it, and he
came to the realization that anexorcism had to happen.
Um and she's like explainingthis with full normal, like it's
any anything normal to say, andshe's like, you know, we we

(01:06:59):
gotta we gotta wait, we gottago, we gotta get this started
quickly because if we go toolong, the demon will be able to
get out.
Like, you know, it's fullyexplained in this journal.
Like, we just gotta follow hisrules.
And Sarah's like, um, okay,what?
Like, or or Carla, Carla, likeshe, because like she's a med

(01:07:20):
student, so she's like listeningto everything, and she's like,
Okay, what?
Like, I I just love, like, Iactually laughed a little when
she did that because it was justlike uh, you know, she's just
like, girl, what the fuck areyou talking about?
Um, but I mean, she Alice wascorrect, but uh I don't know,
something about that scene mademe laugh.
And also, um, honorablemention, they did try to do a

(01:07:43):
creepy crispy person, not reallycrispy crunchy person, like he
doesn't really get crispycrunchy, he's just upside down.
But they do do a nice specialeffect with his, you know, um
like gooey, what do you callthat?
Like play-doh jaw.

Wilson (01:07:58):
Oh, yeah, yeah.

Captain (01:07:59):
With like a black hole mouth.

Wilson (01:08:01):
Right.
Yeah, I don't I don't know whatyou want to call that, but
yeah.

Captain (01:08:05):
But they do do like a decent special effect that's
supposed to be creepy.
I don't it's not that it's notcreepy.
Maybe I'm just like um likedesensitized to it.
I don't know.

Wilson (01:08:20):
Maybe I don't know.
The jump scares, like therewere jump scares, but I think in
a way they were weak.
But I'm not that's notnecessarily a knock, because
sometimes I hate jump scaresbeing.

Captain (01:08:29):
One of them got me, but yeah.
Yeah.
Uh yeah.
Yeah.
Um, I don't know.
Do you have anything else?

Wilson (01:08:41):
Uh no, who needs advice?

Captain (01:08:46):
Um, before you give me advice.

Wilson (01:08:49):
Okay.

Captain (01:08:50):
Um, next time on the Red Roman podcast, we're doing
Knock at the Cabin, which is ashamalan.
Shamalan.
It's a nighty shyan movie.
So you know he'll be in theresomewhere.

Wilson (01:09:02):
Is he always in every every one of his movies?

Captain (01:09:04):
Uh-huh.
He always is like a littlecameo.
Yeah, it's like his thingatha,Luke.

Wilson (01:09:13):
Okay, so advice.
Yes.

Captain (01:09:15):
I need advice based on a sleep insomnia demon.

Wilson (01:09:19):
I mean, I feel like there's a lot in here.
Like, I don't know, never gointo a basement for uh Oh my
god, that is good advice.
Absolutely.

Captain (01:09:27):
Do not follow a doctor that says, Oh, we'll just
continue my concealed study.
Concealed is concealed iscrazy.
It's like a crazy wordy.

Wilson (01:09:38):
Yeah, there are standards for a reason.
Yes.

Captain (01:09:42):
Yes, follow the FDA.
That's a good I I appreciatethat guy.