Curve

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We are back this week to discuss Curve (2015) - a psychological thriller and horror film directed by Tim L. Anderson. The movie is a tense survival story, with themes of isolation and fear, and it focuses on Mallory's determination to overcome seemingly insurmountable odds.

The film is known for its minimalist setting and intense atmosphere, keeping the audience on edge throughout.

The discussion begins around 15:03.

Episode Transcript

Captain (00:15):
in seeing this thing that you wrote here.
It did remind me of a videothat I saw that it makes you
want to try this recipe where,um, like people, love chips and
salsa right, yeah see, okay.
So someone was like I, I like Iwant to do a twist on chocolate

(00:36):
covered strawberries.
So they like sliced or theylike diced strawberries, right,
and it almost looked like salsa.
And then they melted chocolate,put it on a baking tray and
froze it for like, let it salsa.
And then they melted chocolate,put it on a baking tray and let
froze it for like, let it chill.
And then they cut it intotriangles and it was like chips
and salsa.
But it was chocolatestrawberries.
Dude, that looked so fuckinggood.

(00:59):
I was like ma'am, I was theflabbers are gassed it.
I was like I want me atstrawberries?
I was like I want that dude,like it looked really good and I
want to try it I'm listening sothat was my.
It's like a twist on salsa, butit's a dessert, but it's

(01:22):
chocolate covered strawberries Ifucking love chocolate covered
strawberries.
I mean, I feel like you have tobe a monster not to like
chocolate.

Wilson (01:29):
Well, that's true, that's true.

Captain (01:32):
I could snack on those like any day, anytime, oh so
good, it's like that, and umwell, it's just how I was raised
.
I was born into it, molded byit, born into chocolate covered
strawberries.
No, no, no, Soft pretzels.

Wilson (01:48):
Oh, love a soft pretzel.
Even though I won't eat it withmustard that's bullshit I will
eat it with cheese.

Captain (01:56):
No, I want it raw, raw dog, a soft pretzel.

Wilson (02:00):
Oh, you're talking like is that like Philly Pretzel
Factory or some shit?
What is that called?

Captain (02:05):
Yeah, Philly Pretzel Factory, but I like Jim's better
.
But Jim's is hard to serve foryou.

Wilson (02:11):
So you like room temperature, soft pretzels Um
warmed.

Captain (02:16):
Okay, that's fine.

Wilson (02:17):
How do you feel about the cinnamon sugar coated soft
pretzels?

Captain (02:21):
Yeah, I've had those.
They're a lot, they're a lot,'re a lot yeah, I don't.
Those are things that I like,but I don't like that but a
caveat to that is when we wentto the zoo and we had a churro
and a soft pretzel and we weretaking bites of both those.
That was a really good combo,like better than cinnamon raisin

(02:43):
.
Oh no, oh my god, oh my God,cinnamon sugar pretzels.

Wilson (02:47):
Oh, you got a pretzel.
Wait, did I also get a pretzel?

Captain (02:50):
No, I got a pretzel and then.

Wilson (02:52):
Okay, I got a churro.
I guess Just a churro.

Captain (02:55):
You did.
I'm talking about when Jay gota churro and we were eating
bites of both, and we wereeating bites of both.
You don't remember this.
I remember getting churros yeah, and then I got a soft pretzel
okay, and then we were twistingit twisting it that was really
good, I kind of that was likebetter than I thought it was

(03:18):
going to be.
Um oh man, I like haven't donethis setup in a while.
I don't even know how I dothings.

Wilson (03:27):
So I just texted Finn, because he's not here, to ask
what I maybe have meant by thissalsa wine story.

Captain (03:35):
Okay.

Wilson (03:40):
Because I know we hosted a little gathering on New
Year's, but I don't rememberanything about salsa wine.
I don't know what that dude Icould possibly mean how gone
were you?
Well, I didn't.
I don't think he even had thatmuch.
I just don't know what this isreferring to.
This looks like you typed it in.

Captain (03:57):
Oh, this looks like you typed it in on new year's eve,
like there's gonna be fuckinghysterical.

Wilson (04:03):
Yeah, I feel like there's something really good
there.

Captain (04:09):
But I don't know what it is.

Wilson (04:11):
No, I don't even think I had wine on New Year's.
I think I was drinking likeProsecco or something.

Captain (04:16):
That's close Wait you said how was your hot ones?

Wilson (04:21):
I was good, I think you told me about this.
Maybe I did.
Well, this next part mightremind you.
So somebody threw up all over adining room carpet, um, but
that was because, uh, I thinkthey had a lot of milk and we
were drinking alcohol, and thenit got really spicy, so they

(04:44):
just like alcohol.
And then it got really spicy,so they just like.
Well, I don't blame them at all, um, but it was an adventure
and I don't think we're gonna doit again.

Captain (04:53):
I ever since I had da bomb insanity.
I was like I like that.
It's burned.
The taste itself is like burnedyeah into my like I I can, if I
think about it hard enough,like I can still taste it.
That was like by far the worstthing I've ever had in my life
it's not good like they are notlike some people on that show
are, are like psychopaths orsomething, because they were

(05:16):
eating that without having areaction and I'm, I was like I.
I felt like I was.
There was no relief coming, itwas just.
Everything was hot and seeping.

Wilson (05:29):
Yes and well, okay, so I was about to.
I just thought of Commanderbecause I was about to say I
will say Yo, I catch myself now.

Captain (05:41):
He's ruined me.
I hear myself say it sometimesand I'm like eels, like I, I I
try to stop myself from sayingit out because I do say it a lot
and now I'm like trying to finddifferent ways to to different
phrases that come across thesame way so I'll just say I
would like to include that thisis the.

Wilson (06:02):
I've had to bomb three times now.
The third time it was not asbad as I remembered.
I don't know if I just use lessor I'm like getting slightly
used to it, but like when wejust did it I was like maybe I
was hyping myself up, but it wasnot as bad as I remembered.
I don't know.

Captain (06:22):
I don't think I'll ever be like oh, this isn't actually
that bad oh, I mean, it tastesterrible, like there's no taste.

Wilson (06:28):
There's no good taste there, it's just flames sounds
how I remember sounds how youremember.
So what's this other thingabout Dexter?
I know we both wanted to talkabout it.

Captain (06:40):
I'm just living for it, I'm living for it I really like
it.
Everything about that show itjust hits Like, especially over
in here.
I loved the boat that he wentout on was the slice of pie.

Wilson (06:52):
I was like y'all are killing it Killing it.

Captain (06:57):
I was like, oh, the slice of pie foreshadowing slice
of life.

Wilson (07:01):
My guess is he buys that boat from Camilla and, just
like, changes Pi to life BecauseI think that's it's the same
style of boat I think that hehad.
So my guess is she sells it.

Captain (07:14):
I could see that I was like, oh, y'all hitting it.

Wilson (07:21):
Yeah.

Captain (07:21):
The show's really good.
Yeah, and this last episodeseason, season or episode, I
don't know what it was likeeight or something yeah it was
really good I wonder if they'relike I don't know how they're
gonna be able to do this showand resurrection to the same
level, because the I don't know.

Wilson (07:39):
This one is just like better than I thought it could
be, but resurrection is comingout in june, it's like soon it
is soon there's like because,yes, they could mess up original
sin, but it's also kind of hardto because we know where it's
going to end up.
So they're just like filling inthe blanks yeah whereas, like
resurrection, they can mess itup again bad yeah so we'll see

(08:04):
michael c hall is in his 50s now, like they can't just throw a
wig on him anymore and pretend,I mean not that that even worked
in the original series, butlike in my mind this show isn't
that old, but like blockbusterwas still around when I first
heard about this show and like,but I'm I'm cautiously

(08:24):
optimistic as, like a third try,they can do it right yeah, I
don't know whoever's.
Whoever's in the room right inthis currently I, that's who I
want, even though it's not thesame like no story but I saw
some people saying on Redditobviously they're filming in New

(08:47):
York right now that they wishthat somehow he would end up in
a warm climate, because itdoesn't really feel like.
Dexter if he's not sweating bypalm trees or something.
It's like what we're used to.

Captain (09:02):
I didn't know.
They were filming in New Yorkright now.
Well, you sent me that thingwhere they were casting call for
extras, what we're used to, Idon't know.
They were filming in New Yorkright now Mm-hmm.

Wilson (09:06):
Well, you sent me that thing where, like they were,
casting call for extras.
Oh, yeah, and then I saw on thesubreddit like there were
pictures of them in New Yorkfilming.

Captain (09:14):
No, that makes sense.
Yeah, I did put my email in forthat casting call and then they
wouldn't stop fucking textingme, so then I blocked them.
Well, what were they textingyou about?
Just like do you want to cometo this guy?
They were starting, uh, like itwas just a general casting
agency, so they're just likestarting oh yeah and I was like
all right, I'm done with this.

(09:35):
I was like, loosely, just I putmy email in there, really just
to make sure I didn't forgetabout it, in case I did want to,
like I don't know, do it but Iwas like all right, that's
enough of that yeah, I thoughtabout doing it and then it.

Wilson (09:48):
Then I saw on reddit they were filming and I was like
, all right, it's too late yeah,it's just I don't know.
It was just like I don't havethe time to run up there, but
maybe some other time maybe Imean, if I got a call they're
like yes, we're interested, I'dbe like I need two days off work
.

Captain (10:09):
Your eyes got so big.
I mean I wouldn't be opposed.
I feel like I'd be a problem onset.
I don't think I'd be.

Wilson (10:18):
A problem?

Captain (10:19):
I don't think I'd be like blase, like I don't think
I'd be nonchalant about it likeyes I really would like it would
not be, it would not beprofessional he's every time he
walks by.

Wilson (10:34):
You're like tonight's, tonight tonight you're not even
lying.

Captain (10:48):
I literally would say that to him.

Wilson (10:50):
He would roll his eyes so would you like try to cover
it up like tonight, tonight no,no, tonight, tonight I'm sure he
gets that all the time.

Captain (11:03):
I think that would piss him off Probably.
He seems really cool.

Wilson (11:08):
Yeah, but he does seem like there's a limit, like he
has a reasonable level, like haha, yeah, tonight's the night,
but then I feel like if you'retoo much about it, he'd be like
all right.

Captain (11:19):
Yeah.

Wilson (11:20):
It's a show.

Captain (11:21):
But he does, I know I feel like that show would have
creeps like yeah I mean, I yeah,but how?

Wilson (11:30):
do you what if somebody goes up to him and it's like, oh
yeah, like I even like triedmaking a kill room, like it like
looks the same, like, how doyou respond to?
That I don't know even if it'sentirely innocent but, but it's
like good job.
Do I need to call someone?

Captain (11:48):
His band has, like some , it's like a really long name,
but like Unicorn Castle orsomething.

Wilson (11:55):
Yeah, I think there's Butterfly in there.

Captain (11:57):
Oh, maybe Butterfly Castle.
Do you think people are fans ofhim like purely for his music?

Wilson (12:05):
No, I mean, I would not have listened to it if I didn't
know him.

Captain (12:10):
You listened to it.

Wilson (12:11):
I listened to a song.

Captain (12:14):
It's like Butterfly Mansion or something.

Wilson (12:17):
I'm trying to find the band name.

Captain (12:19):
It's like a long it doesn't come up.
I don't know.

Wilson (12:22):
I feel like Butterfly Fall Princess Goes to the
Butterfly Fall Like Butter.

Captain (12:26):
Princess Goes to the Butterfly Museum.

Wilson (12:29):
That's the band name.

Captain (12:30):
Yeah.

Wilson (12:31):
Okay, so we're both right.

Captain (12:36):
He's the lead vocalist.
I don't think he plays anyinstruments.

Wilson (12:41):
The knife Is that an instrument?

Captain (12:46):
It is.
It's a surgical instrument, ascalpel.

Wilson (12:50):
There we go, a scalpel.

Captain (12:52):
Scalpels.
Oh my God, that's what his fansshould be called Scalpels.
Yeah, All right, we're gettinginto it.

Wilson (13:00):
We are getting into it.

Captain (13:01):
All right, where are we ?
How do you want to?
How's?

Wilson (13:04):
it all.
Right, I'm doing this one,aren't I?

Captain (13:05):
yeah, you got your rum and coke number seven or
something no, actually Iswitched to kona.

Wilson (13:12):
I drink, I drink.
I drink them a little slower umyou're not guzzling guzzling.
Uh, what do you?
What do you?

Captain (13:20):
got over there I think I'm on my third.
No, I'm on a premiere, I'm on acorona premiere talk about mal
miami.

Wilson (13:30):
This is like giving it's a breeze see I, maybe I've had
like a corona, premiere, like uhthere's well one, I never drink
it in a can, so like ifsomebody handed me like a corona
versus a corona premiere in abottle I I don't think I would
notice.

Captain (13:46):
Corona regular, corona Extra is like, so extra it
really is.
I'm not even like, I'm not evenmaking a joke.
I can't but the Premier's.

Wilson (14:00):
Inject that into my veins, that's right.

Captain (14:02):
You don't like them, you don't even know Well, no,
right, you don't like them.

Wilson (14:06):
You don't even know, well, no no, I don't dislike
them, I just like I don't knowif I've had them enough or at
all to know the difference.

Captain (14:13):
You're missing out.

Wilson (14:15):
Maybe I'll try it next time.

Captain (14:17):
You can just like pretend you're on an ocean.

Wilson (14:20):
I mean, can I not do that with a Corona?

Captain (14:21):
Extra Can.

Wilson (14:22):
I not do that with a Corona.

Captain (14:24):
Extra.
No, no, you're like at a clubon the beach with an Extra.

Wilson (14:29):
So those Corona commercials, are they always
doing the premiere?
I think they're always doingthe Extra.
Oh well then, that's the vibe.
It's a beach vibe.

Captain (14:40):
Oh, I always thought those were like we're on the
verge of a party.

Wilson (14:45):
Oh, I don't, those were like were on the verge of a
party.

Captain (14:46):
Oh, I don't know, don't know, I'm not watching it for
the commercials, whatever is on.

Wilson (14:50):
so yeah, that's fair.
That's fair.
All right, I can bring us in.
Do you want to hop in there?

Captain (14:58):
Yeah, we can hop in.
Get us in here.
All right, curve me in.

Wilson (15:03):
Curve you, yeah right, curve me in.
Curve you in, wink.
Welcome to the 165th episode ofthe Red Rum Podcast, where we
review horror movies whileenjoying an adult beverage or
two.

Captain (15:17):
And I'm Captain.

Wilson (15:19):
And I'm Wilson, and this week we're reviewing the 2015
American horror thriller filmCurve, so this was directed by
Ian Softley.

Captain (15:31):
Yeah.

Wilson (15:33):
He did some movies.
Hackers never heard of it.
Skeleton Key.

Captain (15:38):
I think I saw that.
There was a bunch of movies onthere and I know that a bunch of
them have nominations and stuff, but I didn't really recognize
a lot of them.

Wilson (15:48):
Yeah, I do not recognize these, except for Skelton Key
Kay.

Captain (15:52):
Pax has, which I know he's canceled now, but Kevin
Spacey is the main character.
And this is while he was bigSure.
Hmm, okay, but Ian Safley hasBAFTA and Academy Award noms.

Wilson (16:08):
Good for him.
Does that mean he's a Britishdude?

Captain (16:11):
Yes, I did watch a video with him just to make sure
he actually said his name likeIan, and yeah, dude has an
accent Accent.

Wilson (16:23):
Bopping in here actually reminded me this is a really
quick aside.
Um so in the last week Ireceived two very different
comments on my voice and oncalls at work.
Once two people messaged methey're like you have the most
relaxing voice.
And then today my boss messagedme.
He was like don't take this thewrong way, but you sound

(16:45):
terrible oh my god, how couldyou not take that the wrong way?
I.
I think it was just because Ilistened to the recording
afterwards.

Captain (16:55):
I think it's because the meeting is like 20 minutes
after I wake up and I have noenthusiasm in my voice yeah,
yeah, I feel like no, I wouldsay starting at like 25 to 30
minutes after I wake up, I'malready drinking coffee.

Wilson (17:12):
Yeah, I mean, I had coffee at that point, but I was
like that didn't lubricate.
This is like the second timethat he has said this in the
last couple weeks.
I'm like Wilson HR.

Captain (17:23):
Leave me alone.
Yeah, that counts as a commenton my body like leave me alone
yeah, well, I'm gonna be extrasensitive about my voice.

Wilson (17:33):
You should just start having immediate tears if he
does it again like I'm actuallycrying yeah, like you've
actually made me cry, yeahalright, so back to this here
movie.
It was produced by Jason Blum.
It is a Blumhouse movie.

Captain (17:50):
Yeah, somehow I didn't pick that up when I made these
preps.

Wilson (17:55):
What is a?
Do you see Blumhouse tilt onthe title screen?

Captain (17:59):
No, do you see that?

Wilson (18:01):
It said the normal BH, but it said tilt under it.

Captain (18:05):
Is that?
I don't know.
Is that something?
One of their names they used?

Wilson (18:12):
I couldn't tell you.
I mean, this movie was 10 yearsago, but I don't know what
Blumhouse tilt means.

Captain (18:19):
It says it was part of Blumhouse Productions.

Wilson (18:23):
I don't know it's dedicated to releasing movies on
multiple platforms.
I think it has to do withdistribution.

Captain (18:31):
Home video whatever.

Wilson (18:34):
Does that mean it's for their bad movies?

Captain (18:37):
This movie doesn't have a lot of online presence.
I think it might have been.
It doesn't say it was a home,does it?
Was it straight to video?

Wilson (18:50):
I didn't see that, but I didn't, oh it does say well, it
was originally released videoon demand.

Captain (18:58):
Oh yeah, I don't think it ever went to theaters okay,
so that's why it doesn't have abox office okay okay yeah, so
that's probably where the tiltcomes in okay, oh, whoa.
This, even though this came outin 2015, it was film, started
filming in 2013, so yeah, I sawthat it says 2015, but I also
saw, like on google, it saysreleased january 2016, so it's

(19:20):
one of those movies that haslike multiple years oh, okay,
there was a looks like there wasa festival that it was released
in 2015.

Wilson (19:26):
There's always some festival and then I had, like I
guess, official video on demandrelease in 2016.
Okay, all right, so that's thedirector, producer, that sort of
thing.
So I guess three main people inhere, mostly just two.
We have Julianne, hugh, or, asyou would say, huff.

Captain (19:48):
I don't know if that's real.

Wilson (19:50):
I think it's Hugh, but I'm thinking of somebody.
Well, okay, whenever I hearJulianne Hugh, I think of
Julianne Moore, who is theredhead.

Captain (20:01):
Oh, is that the redhead I was thinking of?

Wilson (20:03):
Maybe Okay, when.

Captain (20:05):
I Google it.
It says okay, the Googlefeedback pronunciation says
Julianne Huff Like H-U-H-F.

Wilson (20:13):
Interesting.
Well then I wonder if I'mconfusing her with someone else.
Well, in any case, she playsMallory.
She was an extra in a harry,the first harry potter movie.

Captain (20:28):
She's in burlesque, footloose, dancing with the
stars, mostly a dancer andmostly known for blackface well,
I didn't realize that was her.
I guess I didn't scroll down toher like uh, what do you call
that, where it's like umwikipedia like uh, controversies
like you know, doesn'twikipedia have something like
that yeah, they have like acontroversy section.

(20:50):
Yeah, I don't think I scrolledthat far down, I guess I just
looked her up while we werewatching the movie.
That's the only reason yeah, Iremember that our orange is new
black blackface story, but Itotally did not like I.
I remember at the time when itcame out that I didn't know who
that was that did it um do youthink she learned from it, or
yeah?
no, she made a statementafterwards being like um, I

(21:12):
fucked up, like basically yeah,but like do you think she like
did that because she had to?
Um, I don't know, I, I, she.
She apologized.
She said she felt bad.
I don't know.
I mean, is she canceledafterwards?
I don't know what she did afterthat.
When was that?

Wilson (21:29):
I feel like she still did things.
I mean, I think it was like 10years ago at this point she
didn't do like okay, yeah, shedid.

Captain (21:36):
I mean she put on like 17 shades darker conceal like
foundation.
It's just, it was bad, look.
I don't know why she would dothat.

Wilson (21:46):
Okay.

Captain (21:47):
Like she didn't put on like black face paint, like the
movies, but like it's bad.
It's really bad.
The picture's not good.
I think.
I don't know, I can't speak,for this is bad, okay.

Wilson (22:04):
It was a.

Captain (22:04):
Halloween costume.
Like girl, come on, Read thisroom.
Society.

Wilson (22:10):
Yeah, these pictures are rough.
I'm not going to look it up,but I believe it.

Captain (22:15):
Wait, okay, well, anyway, I don't know her besides
this, yeah, I just feel likeI've heard her name.
But that's about it.
Yeah, the Huff.

Wilson (22:24):
Yeah the Huff, yeah the Huff.
So then we have Teddy Sears whoplays.

Captain (22:30):
Christian.

Wilson (22:30):
I've never heard of that name before I haven't either,
but he looks vaguely familiarand I guess it's because he was
in American Horror Story.

Captain (22:42):
Murder House the Flash 24.
24 Legacy not 24.

Wilson (22:45):
He was in an episode of how to get away with murder.
I never finished it.
Uh, he's an impeachmentamerican crime story I think I
watched that, so he's like, Iguess, friends with uh ryan
murphy seems like oh okay, yeah,that makes sense um, and then

(23:06):
we have, I mean, we only see herfor like 10 minutes um but she
was actually in things oh wait,this is the sister.
I was thinking this was thelady we see later on yeah, this
is the sister so she was inhemlock grove.
I.
I have been meaning to re-watchthat show.
I do remember liking it.
I don't think I ever finishedit.
Vampire Diaries Hellboy andSting who is she in?

Captain (23:28):
Sting Heather, that Sting, that Spider movie that
came out recently, I thinkHeather's the mom, maybe I don't
know, oh, wow, okay I don'tknow.
I mean, who else would it be?

Wilson (23:42):
because I think I watched sting right after you
and jay left the last time hevisited okay, yeah, we watched
it in theaters, just randomlythat had been on my list for a
while.
I was surprised.
I actually kind of liked thatmovie yeah, it wasn't bad yeah,
um, all right, you ready tobippity bop?

Captain (24:05):
yeah, I'm curious the start of this movie, because I
kind of missed most of thatconversation she had with her
sister.

Wilson (24:11):
So I like kind of pieced it together, but I wasn't
entirely sure yeah, so, um,mallory, the julianne hugh
character or huff whatever, um,uh, so she's we, we get uh an
understanding pretty early on.
She's driving from sanfrancisco to denver and she's
meeting her fiance there, um,and they're about to get married

(24:35):
.
We find out he had to canceltheir honeymoon because of like
work stuff, um, and she'sdriving by herself, like
basically through the desert, um, and I think this movie takes
place in salt lake city oraround it, um, how'd you pick
that?
oh, the street, the sign, theroad signs the the police
officer's uniform said salt lakecity police yeah, and then I

(24:58):
looked it up but I was like Idon't understand where exactly
she is, um, but so anyway, likeof course this woman driving by
herself in an old car throughthe desert with no signal
obviously gonna run into issues,um, so her, her car kind of
dies and while she's looking atit this guy just walks up, fixes

(25:21):
her car.

Captain (25:22):
Yeah well he approaches her while she's like half nakey
like she spills something onherself and she rips her shirt
off and she's gonna change itand like that man gives her no
privacy.
He's just like hey, get car.
I'm like, can you give her onesecond?

Wilson (25:37):
like yeah, I mean he's walking over basically shirtless
.

Captain (25:42):
He originally had a shirt on.
He took it off.

Wilson (25:45):
Okay, wow, yeah, it was unbuttoned, or something.

Captain (25:50):
Also, I don't know, she kind of like we don't really
know, but after Brad I guess,canceled the honeymoon, like she
kind of doesn't like him, likeI think she takes her ring off
around this time, or rightbefore yeah, and when you see
this like attractive guy walk up, it's like oh, you know, like
what's you know?

Wilson (26:09):
maybe she's gonna like yeah, like I don't know, do
something yeah, like, they'relike semi flirting, but not
really they're flirty yeah, soshe's, but she's taking like
some precautions because she's,like you know, basically I I
can't take you anywhere becauseI don't know you, um, but she's
taking like some precautionsbecause she's, like you know,
basically I can't take youanywhere because I don't know
you um but he, they did likeintroduce each other, like he

(26:29):
was like I'm christian and she'smallory, and they were having
some conversations about familyand stuff.
Like he knew some stuff abouther because she well, that was
after she decided to actuallydrive him somewhere.
Right, oh sorry yeah that'sright he gets.

Captain (26:43):
yeah, he, she was after she decided to actually drive
him somewhere, right?
Oh, sorry, yeah, that's right.
Yeah, she was going to leavehim.

Wilson (26:46):
She does feel bad about leaving him there, so she's like
okay, I'll give you a ride tothe highway.

Captain (26:50):
Yeah, she was going to let him stay there.
He said he was hiking For me.
I'd be like, oh, if you'rehiking, I'll let you finish your
hike.
Well, yeah, you're not stranded, you're just hiking.

(27:11):
That, like that's what you tellme.
I'm gonna just, all right,enjoy your hike like I.
Yeah, yeah, she said that.
Yeah, so she like you.
Can I actually like that.
In the movie they give you youwatch like a there's like a
slightly longer than normalscene of her decision making
process.
Like she.
You can see her mulling it overin her head and the the pause
is long enough that you can tellthat she's thoroughly like
making you know what I mean likeyeah, I mean she ends up making

(27:31):
the wrong decision she doesalone, with no cell service, um
but she thought about it she did, she did think about it.

Wilson (27:40):
Um, so she does pick them up, she, like you know,
they're chatting, filling in oneach other's lives.
They make it to the highway andthen she's, like, you know well
, where are you headed?
He's headed to like a motel offthe highway, and that's where
she decides.

Captain (27:53):
Oh well, you know, maybe I'll stay there too she
says maybe I'll stop and grab abite, which, yes, there was a
lot of loose implying like I, Idon't know it.
Like I I feel like girl ishaving, she just wants to like I
don't know.
Uh, it's like when you, whenyou like, end a relationship and

(28:15):
you want to like just have afling or something, because
clearly she's like not happywith her soon-to-be husband,
like girl literally takes herring off and throws it in her
box.

Wilson (28:24):
Her, her sister, clearly doesn't like the guy either
yeah on there.

Captain (28:28):
Yeah, I don't know if you said yeah, they like video
chat in the beginning, and isshe the one that made her that
ccd that says like fuck you,brad okay yeah, so like fuck you
for leaving me or whatever.
Yeah, so yeah I feel like she'smaybe in the mood for like a
fling or something.

Wilson (28:44):
I mean, if he played his cards right, I think she would
have.

Captain (28:47):
But like pretty quickly .

Wilson (28:49):
After she decides to go with him to the motel out of
nowhere, he's like oh, youcouldn't even take this huge
dick.

Captain (28:56):
It was so random.
He literally out of nowhere.
He's like you couldn't even fitthis giant cock in your mouth.
And then he says JK.
And then he says jk and then hesays it's not that big and like
her the whole vibe flips andshe's like, okay, you need to
get the fuck out of my car.

Wilson (29:13):
It was so uncomfortable, it was so uncomfortable, so
uncomfortable and he was like no, you're gonna drive or I'm
gonna basically stab you yeah,he holds her at knife point and
the the flip up.

Captain (29:22):
I was like, okay, I'm seated.
I'm like I'm watching you havemy attention yeah, I was not
expecting that.
It was kind of like the likethe first, they like had an
extra minute or two of likewasted time of her like jamming
to the cd and I was like, okay,it's gonna be one of those
movies, but it was not, and wewere like 14 minutes into the
movie at this point okay, like,that's like a good amount of

(29:43):
time.
That's like uh, it was not andwe were like 14 minutes into the
movie at this point.
Okay, like, that's like a goodamount of time.

Wilson (29:46):
That's like uh it was quick, though, like so I was
curious where the rest of themovie was gonna go.
Um, I'm gonna take a reallyquick break and get another
drink okay, well, let me I'mgonna.

Captain (29:58):
Okay, well, I'm doctoring my drink now, so we
are back.

Wilson (30:01):
Uh, what was I saying?
They the the big dick commentdid we mention that?

Captain (30:08):
um, she also said that she doesn't have a cell service.
Do we say that?

Wilson (30:12):
uh, I did say oh like, yeah, by herself no cell service
, okay, okay, um, yeah.

Captain (30:18):
So she's at knife point and he says like you're gonna
keep driving, or, um, if I drivethe rest the way, it's like not
gonna be a good trip foranybody.
And then she says where, whereare you go?
So like she continues drivingand he goes where are we?
Or she says where are we going?
He says I already told you themotel, so like it sounds rapey

(30:42):
and he's like there's no onethere, it's abandoned, oh yeah,
it's abandoned, so no one'sgoing to interrupt us, so I love
that.
She's like all right, I'd rathercrash this bitch than get raped
Like she literally was.

Wilson (30:54):
Like she notices he doesn't have a seatbelt on and
so and she does so before heeven has a chance to put that
thing on, she just yeets thatcar over the.

Captain (31:09):
She goes off the curve and down a mountain Upside down,
flips upside down, yeah, andit's pretty bad.
She's bleeding a lot.
He is yeeted all the way out ofthe car.
That man should be dead, butshe, she is alive, upside down,
like I said, um her leg.

Wilson (31:31):
Of course he's alive, yeah her leg is stuck.
I kind of didn't quiteunderstand how it was stuck, but
it's like in a door somehowit's like somehow wedged between
the seat and the door, so she'supside down but her leg's
caught.

Captain (31:47):
Yeah, Like she.
Yeah, it's, the door is stuckwith like a tree log so she
can't open it.
But yeah, she I can't rememberwhat it is she like tries to tie
it off her arm and stuff soshe's not bleeding, and she
grabs his knife that he hadbefore.
He has a chance to get to her,but he does eventually get up.

Wilson (32:09):
I kind of stopped taking notes and this is where we
actually spend most of the movie.
So she's stuck upside down andhe's at this point.
You realize he's kind of liketoying with her, or the movie is
like wants to see what she'lldo yeah he's like I'm gonna
leave you bye yeah, he, yeah.

Captain (32:29):
I can't remember why what he says exactly.
Yeah, but he basically is likeI'm gonna leave, um, and like I
think he tells her like nobody'sout here, like no one's gonna
come for you we're in the middleof nowhere, um, and I don't
even know if he tells her I'llbe.

Wilson (32:44):
I don't think he says I'll be back no, he does like it
make it sounds like he's justgonna leave, yeah, so so she
spends like what?

Captain (32:51):
a whole night or two out there she's there at least
two nights and he does visit herlike two to three times, just
like toying with her, like one,um, he's like first he says I
have food and water and you'rewatching him eat it and drink in
front of her because she's likeI need water and he's like, um,
tell me the first time you lostyour virginity or something oh

(33:16):
it was such a creepy, uh likeintimate thing that he was
asking for.
And then he's asking her allthese details, like did he make
you come?
And like all this weird.
It was uncomfortable it was souncomfortable and she's giving
him this story about someonenamed Theo when she was 17.
And he's like do you stillthink about him?
Do you still touch yourself?

(33:36):
And it was so weird.
But what got me is that he,like you, can tell she's on the
verge of tears and then hestarts laughing and he's like
that's not your story, that'syour sister's story, ella.
And, like you know, youshouldn't just tell people what
they want to hear, mallory.
And I'm thinking to myself,like I, after he said that, I

(33:59):
was like, oh, is this an insidejob?
Because, like you heard abouther and her sister for like all
of what eight minutes?
I mean not even.

Wilson (34:08):
Yeah, there's no way he would know her well enough to be
like you didn't have sex withhim.

Captain (34:13):
Yeah, like because she gives this story about how her
sister like is you know never,what'd she say?
Never tied down a different manevery month or something.
And I'm like, dude, you do not,you don't know anybody here.
But then I was like, well,maybe he does so I was kind of
waiting for that, but we don'tactually get that I don't think

(34:34):
the movie is that smart to likeI well, you said you thought you
knew how this movie was gonnaend, and I and I was like oh,
maybe, maybe that's what youmeant.

Wilson (34:44):
The movie didn't end up ending the how I thought oh okay
.

Captain (34:50):
So, yeah, he, yeah she's.
She's struggling out therewithout you know, while he's
gone, though, Like she's, youknow, eating rats.

Wilson (35:01):
Yes.
She does eat a rat, sort ofdrinking her own urine, yeah,
and he's, he's having fun toyingwith her, like he brings her a
tool bag and it's like let's seewhat you do.
So he gives her a saw and I waslike this girl's gonna cut her
fucking leg you did.

Captain (35:19):
You were like pretty sure she's gonna do do that.
But before he does that, Ithink he comes back and says
like I made friends with thepeople.
I wasn't sure exactly what thatwas supposed to do, but he was
like there's a cabin close bythat.
I made friends with the peoplethat live there and he shows her
that he has like a beadedbracelet that says Katie.
But I don't know if that wassupposed to mean that the

(35:41):
closest people that she was towere not on her side, or was he
implying with her that he wasalready torturing other people?

Wilson (35:51):
I think that he was implying that he was already
torturing other people.
But I think in my mind the maingoal of him saying that was one
for the movie to explain wherehe was and to just set up the
end of the movie.

Captain (36:05):
Okay, yeah.

Wilson (36:06):
That's my take at least.

Captain (36:08):
Okay, yeah, I mean they do kind of for the setting.
They're like she's in her car,but it's pretty clear that she's
in the middle of, she's notvery close to the road that they
came off of and there's nothingdown there but a little stream.
They're not really visible fromthe road.
You'd have to, like, come allthe way to the cliff, I think
right.

Wilson (36:28):
So, um, one of the nights, like she's basically
preparing for him to come back,like she does try to cut her leg
off, but she can't do it.
Wait the phone.
Oh, was that around?
Oh, yes, the phone was rightbefore this she wakes up yeah to
in the morning to her phonebuzzing.

Captain (36:47):
Now we did watch her try to find her.
Like she does search for herphone in all of this.
I don't know we said this, butshe finds like other stuff.
She finds a lighter, so she'slike she can make herself a fire
at night and stay warm.
Um, she finds like her uhhusband soon-to-be husband's
like porn that she's burning.
Um, she finds um christian'swallet, so it has his name in it

(37:09):
and like a picture of asupposed family.
Um, so she like I don't she.

Wilson (37:14):
I don't know what time I don't know if it was this time
that she uses that to try tolike, uh, psychologically I
think it was an earlier timebecause, I think it was daylight
, when he, uh, when he comesback and she's trying to hide
the phone so she doesn't get tomake a call, but he, he catches
her, he finds the phone becauseI think ella's calling back

(37:36):
again.

Captain (37:37):
Yeah, clearly her phone clearly at least her sister's
looking for her, because we hearon the police radio later that
they're searching for her.
But yeah, her sister is callingher, trying to, you know,
figure out where she is, thatyou know she's missing.
So she gets the phone, missesthe call, but before she she's
like literally about to callback and before she does.

(37:58):
Christian gets there Now, forme I'd be like I don't give a
fuck if he gets there or not.
Just hit that hit, hit like,call, like let it go.

Wilson (38:06):
I mean, oh yeah, she should have let the phone keep
just listening.

Captain (38:10):
Yeah, just that ella could listen, like she could
start saying stuff that shewould know.
Whoever was hearing theconversation with her, you know,
would know where she is.

Wilson (38:20):
But anyway, yes, christian finds the phone
because, or steals her phonebecause it was buzzing again
yeah, so he leaves again to goto the cabin and then I think
we're at the point where she'slike maybe I do cut off my leg.
She starts to do it can't.
And then she I think this iswhere she comes up, is this

(38:41):
where she comes up with?
The idea to put rat guts on herleg.

Captain (38:44):
Yeah, so she hears her car radio still works so she can
hear that a storm is comingthat's going to be pretty bad
and I guess she catches somerainwater and drinks some water.
But like the storm is bad, likeit's going to flood, and she
sees a car.
Christian told her I'll be back, that I'd say good night.
So she sees a car at the topand she's hoping that it's not
him.
But then it's clear that it ishim and so she like makes this

(39:07):
plan to put rats guts on her leg.
That makes it look like she cuther, started sawing her leg off
, and then she pretends to bedead.
So, he comes up to her, he likepokes at first.
He's like, oh my God, youreally tried it with a stick and
she's not moving, so he getsclose enough.
Then he thinks that she is dead.
I guess, um, yeah, but she hasa piece of glass and stabby

(39:29):
stabs, stabby wabby.

Wilson (39:29):
She does get him a little bit, but, and she?
Like beats him with a rock,like she has a rock that she can
like really get some good kicksin, which is nice, um, like
obviously it does nothing I meanhe's like mad, but yeah, but I
mean like he's still he's stillfine yeah, um, so I think he
goes back to his because shegets his keys out of his pocket

(39:51):
whenever, um oh, in thatstruggle yeah yeah, so she's
setting off the car alarm of thecar.

Captain (39:57):
That was the street that was the biggest part of
that whole thing.
That, yes yeah so sure there'scars that are.
She can see cars are goingaround like they're going both
directions on that street upthere.
So with the car alarm off, sheknows somebody's gonna like be
aware that it's happening.
And of course a police officerpulls up to that car to try to
figure out what's going on,because there's like this crazy

(40:19):
storm that's coming through likethey tell people you have to
get off the road.
So Christian gets back up tothe top of the hill without his
car keys, just so that the copdoesn't think the car is like
abandoned.

Wilson (40:30):
Yes, and then the cop's, like you know, can I help you?
And the guy obviously can't getin the car without the keys.
So like she's honking the hornthe cop maybe hears it, he does.

Captain (40:45):
He kind of hears stuff like he hears the horn and she
blasts the radio and then she'susing like a rock to slam on her
car door so it's making like abig clang clanging noise and the
cop definitely hears thatthroughout the rain.
I mean christian.

Wilson (40:56):
Yes, he's trying to downplay it, but yeah, and he's
like almost going to kill thecop if the cop notices, but he
doesn't.
But this is the part where I'mlike, well, obviously he's going
to kill the cop if the copnotices, but he doesn't.
But this is the part where I'mlike, well, obviously he's going
to kill the cop when the coptakes him back to the cabin.

Captain (41:08):
So it's like yeah, either kill him here or you kill
him at the cabin he pretends tobe friends with the people at
the cabin.
So the cop's like, oh yeah, jim.
And sue yeah I'll take you overthere.
Um so I'm like oof RIP to thatcop Nah girly.

Wilson (41:23):
No, Uh, so um, he, he does end up getting in the car
with the cop.
They leave to go back to thecabin.
This is where all the rain andthe storm is like compiling.
It's starting to push the thecar she's in like down river.

Captain (41:42):
Um, and like her car starts moving, it hits like a
rock or a tree and she's able toget her leg unstuck yeah, the
stream that was next to heroriginally is now like a raging
river because of so muchflooding and there's like, uh,
she goes down like a smallwaterfall, even like it's yeah,
and she's able to.

Wilson (42:00):
She is able to swim out, she escapes, does not go to the
road, she goes through thewoods.

Captain (42:06):
The worst decision I've ever seen, though, and all of
this is like she does not takethe road and wave somebody down
Like I don't know why you wouldI mean.

Wilson (42:15):
Maybe she was afraid he'd be on the road and find I
don't know.
But she goes to the woods.
She of course stumbles upon thecabin that he's staying at.

Captain (42:24):
He said it was close.

Wilson (42:26):
Yeah, she hears screaming.
I think she's deciding betweenjust walking by and going to
save them.
She does decide to go to savethem.

Captain (42:37):
She hears a woman screaming like please help me.
It's like as if it was her.

Wilson (42:43):
That's why she stops yeah, so she does see um.
Christian kills the cop with anail gun it's uh like texas
chainsaw in there yeah, but thisguy's like monologuing on like
this was your decision.

Captain (42:58):
Like the same thing you chose to stop by.

Wilson (43:00):
Yeah, it's the same thing he says to mallory in the
beginning.

Captain (43:03):
I don't know if we said that, but in the beginning he
says the same, very similarthing to mallory like I, I'm not
.
She's like why are you doingthis?
He's like I'm not doing this.
You chose to stop.
You chose to let me in your carlike this was your decision.

Wilson (43:17):
I'm like dude I like, I'm not.
I'm not defending him.
I can see his argument of beinglike that's a psychopath
argument.
Yeah, it's like you wanted tokeep going.
You had your chances.
Still do not defending him atall, but obviously the cop was
just helping someone, it's hisjob.
Well, yeah, it's not like hemade these bad decisions,

(43:42):
because you could argue that shewas making a decision to
potentially cheat on her fiancéagain, not justifying him like
but at least there's like somemoral thing.

Captain (43:53):
But yeah, but like the cops.

Wilson (43:54):
Just like you're in danger, I'm gonna help you.
This isn't like teaching alesson, or whatever.

Captain (44:00):
Yeah, I don't know if what I'm saying is coming across
.
No, I get what you're saying.
I didn't think about it thatway, but yeah.

Wilson (44:05):
No, that definitely is weird yeah, so anyway, the cop's
dead.
But she sneaks inside likestarts to free the woman um and
that's where that lives, there,right I think yeah, okay, um
yeah mallory's watching all thisfrom the outside of the house.

Captain (44:23):
So, yes, and then she's she sneaks in um.
There was other dead people inthere, I guess other the other.

Wilson (44:30):
There was a couple somebody's birthday party oh,
that's what it was there is anextra person there.
Oh, I guess it's the daughter.
I guess.

Captain (44:38):
Yeah, he said there was cake at one point.
I forgot about that.

Wilson (44:42):
Yeah.

Captain (44:43):
Maybe it was her parents and then her.

Wilson (44:46):
I think it was like a grandparent, a child and I don't
know.

Captain (44:50):
Okay.

Wilson (44:52):
So she starts to free the girl, but then Christian
comes up.
The girl pretends to still belike tied up and Mallory's
hiding behind a door.

Captain (45:03):
Mallory has stolen his gun.

Wilson (45:04):
Yeah.
So he comes in, then eventuallynotices the girl isn't actually
tied up and then Mallory's likeI'm going to shoot you.

Captain (45:13):
She says don't move or I'll shoot.

Wilson (45:15):
And then he's like I'm going to shoot you.
She says don't move or I'llshoot.

Captain (45:17):
And then he's like just shoot him, yeah, he just
charges at her.
Which is like this dudeprobably has like 80 pounds on
you girl, like you should havejust shot him.

Wilson (45:26):
No, she does get like.
I think she does shoot him alittle bit.

Captain (45:30):
I don't know they struggle.
There's like a kerfufflethrough the house.

Wilson (45:37):
There's like a, there's a kerfuffle like through the
house.
Um, there's like a.
You know, back and forth, I gotyou, I don't got you.
Um, she ends up pushing him offa balcony and he rolls down a
hill and falls in a bear trap yoso uh like that scene where he
is hurt.

Captain (45:54):
Oh, feels so good it is cathartic.
But I'm also like just kill him, but then him he is bleeding
badly, he looks bad, she likealready scratched him in his
face like he already looksunwell, and he before this he
was like oh, this is so much fun, I haven't had this much fun in
a while.
And then he gets stuck in abear trap and you don't hear him
saying any of that shit anymoreno and then Mallory

(46:16):
cathartically gives him the sameexact speech he gave her.
Where she goes.
Oh wow, looks like you'rebleeding a lot.
I don't think you know how muchtrouble you're in.
Looks like you just barelymissed your femoral artery.
I don't know how you're goingto get out of this.

Wilson (46:37):
The same exact speech that he gave her.
Um, yes, which is it's nice,it's nice, it is, it is nice.
But I'm just like this guycould get out somehow, I don't
know kill him.

Captain (46:42):
They zoomed in on where that bear trap was and I was
like, uh honey, bunches, thatlooks like an artery because it
is gushing it is gushing.

Wilson (46:50):
and then, meanwhile, the girl that she saved is doing
nothing on the porch.

Captain (46:54):
She's just like yeah, she gets free, and because
Mallory even tells her to run,but she doesn't actually run off
because I think she's afraidshe doesn't want to leave
Mallory Like she's like I don'twant to, you know, just leave
another woman to get tortured.
So like she.

Wilson (47:08):
I mean yeah.

Captain (47:09):
She's not doing anything.

Wilson (47:19):
She's just standing there, yeah, yeah, not the best
like run or something, yeah, butthere's there's a phone.

Captain (47:23):
There has, one of you has to have a phone.
Yeah, landline cabin yeah yeah,or that doesn't.
Doesn't do any of that, butmallory pushing him off the
balcony was very, very nice itwas nice because he's he's, he,
you know, he even like, is likemaking grouting noises and he
even is like fuck you.

Wilson (47:37):
So yeah, so like pretty sure he's gonna die and mallory
and the girl hobble off, weassume, to safety and, yeah, the
wikipedia says that he succumbsto his wounds and dies I mean,
that's, I guess, assuming I mean, he kind of doesn't look well.
No, but we don't see that.

Captain (47:59):
I don't think he's alive.

Wilson (48:01):
Probably not.
Yeah, I don't think there'slike we don't know how it's
going to end, type ending Like Ithink we're pretty sure.
Yeah, no.

Captain (48:13):
But this movie has a lot of suspense or buildup like
tension and I was not expectingthis much tension and I was kind
of living for it.

Wilson (48:24):
Yeah, because this was supposed to be our bad movie.

Captain (48:26):
This was yeah, if you look at the rating it doesn't
have any numbers Like I guess itwas straight to mostly straight
to streaming or whatever.

Wilson (48:35):
I mean I will say like sorry, I said it.
I said I will say, um this?
There are a lot of problemswith this movie, but it still
surprised me and it stillentertained me.
But it's not it's not a greatmovie I was entertained yes I.

Captain (48:51):
I was expecting something dumb, where they're
stuck in a car or like I don'tknow, like what was that movie
that we watched with their roadrage trucker?
Like?
That's what I was expecting,joyride yeah, and this was like
full of tension.
I'm sitting there at the edgeof my seat, I'm biting my nails.
Like for what?

Wilson (49:11):
like I was not expecting that.

Captain (49:13):
I was not expecting that.
Like fully enthralled movie,really, really good.
Attention building and shocking, like when that man switches
from being this like nice,polite, flirty guy to being like
, yeah, but what about this cock?
Though?
You're like, oh, like it's so,it's so like I, you know, double

(49:34):
take, I can't even whiplashyeah, I.

Wilson (49:40):
I mean, it made me super uncomfortable when I was like
is this?

Captain (49:42):
that's the point is this like a 20, this is a 20
like 15 movie, like, but that'sthe point, though, like because
I feel like they do a prettygood uh, it gets pretty
realistic in the sense of, likeyou know, being I feel like if
you were in that situation andyou were like, throwing that off
, like it's, it's just, youcan't even I don't know.

Wilson (50:04):
It's like she already put her guard down, so it's like
she was not expecting to be,you know yes, I was relieved
that, like yes, I was relievedthat, like when he first said
about like he made it sexual, Iwas like, is this, is this whole
movie gonna be about?
Like, like sex and rape?
Yeah, I'm really glad it wasn't.
I think I took some of those.

Captain (50:25):
There was a rapey torture movie on the on the list
that I was like nope, I liketook that off.
I was like no, I'm not doingthat.

Wilson (50:32):
Yeah.

Captain (50:33):
But this series is actually interesting that you
see a woman make a full decision.
That's like I'd rather crashthis bitch and burn in hell than
get raped.
You're like you know what Good.

Wilson (50:45):
Good for her.

Captain (50:46):
Yeah, like good, I don't know.

Wilson (50:49):
I hate that it came to this.
But like do you?
But like he doesn't win.

Captain (50:56):
Yeah, it's's like it's still your.

Wilson (50:57):
You're in control the whole time.
I don't know.
Yeah, and you can tell thebudget was really like the the
accident scene.
I was like this is really lowbudget, but you did very well
for what you had oh yeah, theydid great for what they had.

Captain (51:10):
I was never like ew yeah so I was.
I was very happy with what wewere given.

Wilson (51:19):
Yes, I don't see a lot of goss about this movie.
The only, I guess, fun thing isthat Ava Mendes was originally
attached to play Mallory, butthat was, I guess the idea, for
this movie came in like 2007.
Uh, so obviously a lot changedin those like six years yeah,

(51:43):
and then for numbers yeah, thatthere's.

Captain (51:46):
All we have is an audience score of 27, which I do
not agree with at all um butthat's, we don't have anything
else.
Oh, there was an alternatestoryline.
Not that it's that interesting,but an alternate story.
Okay what it says that in analternate storyline on the home
video release, mallory does notoriginally give christian a ride

(52:09):
, but after.
After he restarts the car, butshe ends up calling her sister
again, ella um, about theencounter.
And then the car shuts downagain and this time, upon
inspection, she learns there's acrucial cable that's been cut
and then, unable to get cellservice, she happens upon the
cabin that appears at the end ofthe movie in the final cut, and
sneaks inside.
When nobody answers the door,she discovers the phone has been

(52:30):
cut and hides.
When christ, who repaired hertruck as to use it for himself,
arrives at the cabin and enters,then the family is shown to be
victims.
Oh, that sounds terrible.
I'm glad it was not this.

Wilson (52:45):
I'm so glad they changed it, because that sounds like a
very stereotypical movie.
Yeah, that sounds terrible,that I would have been really
annoyed, because I know when hefirst showed up I was like all
right, what, what's he gonna doto the car?
That it won't actually be fixedand she'll get stranded again
yeah, no, I'm actually reallyglad.

Captain (53:02):
Yeah, this sounds like what you would expect.
A 2015 movie about somebodymeeting somebody in the in the
desert with no cell servicewould be.
But yes, it is not that at all.
There was another what's thatmovie we watched with jared
padaleck where their car isfucked with or something.
Oh, house of Wax, or something.
Yeah, oh yeah.

Wilson (53:20):
I think there's something similar oh yeah, they
go to a mechanic and themechanic like breaks their car.
Yeah, yeah.

Captain (53:26):
And I feel like God.
I do not want to watch one moreof those.

Wilson (53:29):
No, absolutely not, Absolutely not this was very
different.

Captain (53:32):
Yeah, I guess that this is their original.
I don't know, Someone was likethrow all this away.

Wilson (53:38):
No, that is fair.
This movie, I think, got mebecause it didn't fall into like
tropes.
Yeah, like when I told you, Ithought how the movie would end
like I thought she was going tocut off her leg and then go on a
vengeance spree and kill theguy.
That's what you thought wasgoing to happen spree and kill
the guy, and that's where that'swhat you thought was gonna
happen.
Yeah, I mean, I didn't thinkshe was gonna die, but I really

(53:58):
did think she was gonna end upcutting off her leg and like
she'd be like I'm empoweredwhich I want her to be empowered
, obviously, but I didn't wantto be to predict, I didn't want
to be predictable and it wasn'tit was not I.

Captain (54:10):
I actually the only thing I think I would have given
the movie a higher rating is ifit did circle back to something
where it's like I don't knowwhat the reason would be.
But if her soon-to-be husbandwas setting this up for some
reason or her sister was settingthis up for some reason,

(54:30):
Because we hear those charactersare mentioned and they're very
important to her, but theyactually don't really come back
into play much.
They help set up her backstorybut they don't come back around
through the end of the movie.
We don't even hear her getreunited with her family at the
end.

Wilson (54:47):
No, but I have a feeling she's going to dump her fiance.

Captain (54:51):
Yeah, but maybe it would be nice to I don't know
get that at the end.

Wilson (54:54):
She's grown in this experience yeah, like I don't
know how you end a movie likethat, but I would not have been
mad if I saw like uh, fuck youto the fiance yeah, like, but
you brad.
Yeah, I don't know even thoughhe doesn't sound like a terrible
person.
I mean, obviously, canceling ahoneymoon is he said he was
canceling the honeymoon for abusiness deal.

Captain (55:16):
I'm like can you shut the fuck up?
That pisses me off.
I don't care.
I'm sure that's been plannedfor months, if not a year, like
come on.

Wilson (55:30):
Yeah.

Captain (55:31):
Clearly you didn't want to go, clearly you didn't want
to go.

Wilson (55:36):
I, oh I did.
I actually almost wanted to seelike her meeting up with a
fiance and him only being madabout his car being destroyed,
because we had that line of himsaying like, oh, you know, take
care of my car.
So like I wanted that scene ofhim being mad about it and she's
just like fuck you.

Captain (55:57):
Yeah, I don't know how they could have twisted that
back in there, but I think if Ijust got five minutes of the
family twisted back in at theend, I think that would have
been, uh, five stars.

Wilson (56:06):
Five yeah.

Captain (56:07):
But currently the movie for me is sitting at four and a
half only because I was.
I mean, like I said, if Istopped taking notes, like then
you have to like that's a goodmovie if I'm not taking notes
anymore.
You were gooped I was goopedand gagged.
It was like watching thatzombie movie where I was like,
holy fuck, this is really goodyeah, yeah, it's um.

Wilson (56:26):
so we often watch movies with um a couple people and one
of them is like has very uh,what's a good way to put this?
They have, I'm going to say,sophisticated feelings or
opinions about movies where,like mine, usually differ from
that.
Like I will rate a movie on howentertained I am, they rate it

(56:48):
compared to every other moviethey've like ever seen.

Captain (56:51):
That's rude.

Wilson (56:52):
And so like this movie I think by them would be rated
very lowly, low.
But no, you have to read it forwhat it is yeah, like I, if a
movie goops and gags me, it'sgonna get a high rating I give
this.

Captain (57:09):
I give it I like.
On letterboxd, I gave it a fourand a half.

Wilson (57:12):
I don't even care I gave it a, I gave it a three, but I
could be talked up to a threeand a half.

Captain (57:20):
I was so enthralled, Like you got me.
I'm invested.

Wilson (57:25):
Can I have a percentage?
Because I've only beenrecording percentages for our
ratings for like a table.

Captain (57:31):
See, that's tough because I feel like the
percentage changes.
It's not the same as my stars,but that's it's because we go
from five to a hundred.
So, um, but I actually reallylike this.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna give it an88 jesus okay I mean for what
they do.

(57:51):
I mean, like I said, they couldhave gotten more.
I mean they could have got meup to like a 95 if they just
gave me the end tied up a littlemore nicely damn okay there was
not.
As I was watching the movie, Ihad nothing.
I couldn't even write anythingdown, like I was like I get, oh,
keep coming.

(58:11):
Where's this going?

Wilson (58:16):
Okay, yeah, I mean, I'm not judging your score at all.
I gave it a 51.

Captain (58:21):
Jesus, weren't you in thrall Like weren't you?

Wilson (58:25):
like shocked.
I was a little gooped A little.

Captain (58:29):
But I still think like, for example, the dialogue in a
lot of it was like super clunkyor like uncomfortable and I
don't think that was necessarilypurposeful I, I saw, I hear
what you're saying but honestlyI feel like that dialogue was
very realistic to how a realinteraction would happen in that
situation, because it's notgonna sound.
It's not gonna sound nice andpretty like it's gonna be to

(58:52):
sound nice and pretty Like it'sgoing to be clunky, cause you're
like in a really stressfulsituation.
You, you do drive a hard bargain, I feel like it was, it was
giving realistic, like what shewas doing and what he was like
in in reaction to him, like Iwas, like I don't know if I
would stray that differentlythan what she's doing.

Wilson (59:11):
All right, I'll give it a 60,.
But than what she's doing.
All right, I'll give it a 60,.
But.

Captain (59:15):
I'm not going any higher, okay, all right.

Wilson (59:18):
You got me that high.
Okay, do you have a race ofglass?

Captain (59:24):
This is tough because I'm split.
I'm a split between the scenewhere he flips his personality
and the scene where she getsback at him, and I don't know
which one I like better.
What about you?

Wilson (59:40):
um, I mean, obviously driving off the cliff is pretty
like the curve like the curve is, like you know, the
quintessential moment.
You know, honestly, I'm gonnasay my raise glasses where it
didn't fall into a trope of like.
I'm glad she did not cut offher leg Because, like, I think

(01:00:02):
that's where that was.
Like the decision point of thisis either a 30% or a now 60%.

Captain (01:00:09):
Yeah, if she cut her leg off.
This would not be.
I mean, this would be theopposite side of the scale for
me.
She cut her leg off this moviewould not be.

Wilson (01:00:15):
I mean, this would be the opposite side of the scale
for me.
No, yeah, I mean now, maybe ifshe cut her leg off and she's
like I'm gonna attach a machinegun to it and take him out, I'd
be like you know what 90, but Idon't think that's the direction
they would have gone.

Captain (01:00:27):
Yeah, we're in the realm of um uh, what's that?
Uh, oh man.
Um, what's that, oh man?
What's that movie franchisewhere that guy is like with a
chainsaw Not Texas Chainsawwhat's the one that's like Speak
no Evil, oh?

Wilson (01:00:43):
wait, are you talking about Evil Dead?
Yeah, Like his original movies.
Yeah, yeah.

Captain (01:00:48):
Aren't those ones kind of campy like that?

Wilson (01:00:50):
Oh yeah, yeah, like that If it was a campy movie.
Yeah yeah, Like if it was acampy movie.
Yeah yeah, but it's not, we'renot there.

Captain (01:00:57):
I think I am, I think I man.
It's tough to choose one, but Ithink I would rather choose the
one in the beginning, justbecause you're like what's up,
like what.
Yeah, yeah, he's just.
The flip is so sudden whereyou're like oh I fucked up by

(01:01:19):
making this decision and thenthe knife comes out.
So yeah, I would recommend, Idon't even care.

Wilson (01:01:25):
I think I would probably recommend.
Obviously, it wouldn't be myfirst choice.
Somebody's like oh I want towatch this horror movie.
But, if somebody was like Iwant to watch a good-for-her
movie.
And attention, I would listensomewhere like, if you're like,
if you're like I want to sit intension, I'd be like, oh, this
is it yeah suspense, we're gonnatalk about a movie, I think
next week in our introdiscussion, where that's another

(01:01:46):
good for her movie, where I'mlike yes, yes, yes, um.

Captain (01:01:53):
The last thing I have to say is um, unfortunately, I
wonder how many movies we haveof this, but I do have a poor
one out and I did not likewatching her stab a rat to death
no, that was a poor one out forme, and we don't have a lot of
poor one outs, I don't think no,you could probably find them in
your little control f of yourmaybe, but yeah, that's, that is

(01:02:17):
a poor one out.

Wilson (01:02:17):
We should consider start starting to do a poor one out
for every movie, like erase aglass, and a poor one out.

Captain (01:02:23):
I don't.
I don't often have one, butwhen I do I'm like, oh, I really
really did not like that yeah,it's like a highlight and a low
light.

Wilson (01:02:30):
I think we could.
I think we could pick a lowlight of every movie I could, oh
, oh I think we could pick a lowlight Of every movie.
Oh, I think we could find a lowlight in almost every movie.
If we can find something reallygood, we can find something
really bad.

Captain (01:02:41):
Sometimes we are combing through the weeds for a
raise of glass.

Wilson (01:02:46):
Okay, yeah yeah, sometimes they probably be the
same, depending on the movie.

Captain (01:02:54):
The pour and the raise the race.
Yeah, yeah, that's fair uh.

Wilson (01:02:59):
So what are we doing next week?

Captain (01:03:01):
oh, next time on the red run podcast we're doing
personal shopper, which I'vewanted to watch for a while.

Wilson (01:03:07):
Um, but I have feelings I'm excited to hear those
feelings.

Captain (01:03:14):
Uh, so I think, uh oh yes and then, um, I need advice
based on this movie, but there'sa lot I feel like you could say
that I agree with oh yeah, likethe original one I think we
were talking about earlier.

Wilson (01:03:25):
Like you shouldn't, as a , like a woman, do not go by
yourself driving through adesert with no cell service
service and then pick up ahitchhiker nope, and then?

Captain (01:03:39):
also decide to go to a motel with him and then, when
you finally get free of all ofthe torture, don't follow the
road back.
That is terrible.

Wilson (01:03:52):
Like those are bad, bad decisions yeah, but I will say
her what her good decision wasto drive off the cliff.

Captain (01:03:59):
It sounds like oh yeah, good for her.

Wilson (01:04:01):
Yeah, I mean yeah, oh, maybe not advice for everybody,
no, like don't don't actuallytry to drive off a cliff, but I
think for her it worked out goodfor her.

Captain (01:04:14):
It worked out.
Good for her.