I Trapped the Devil

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Captain (00:18):
one year later.
All right, how's it going?
It's going pretty well welcometo christmas christmas and we're
together for christmas a wholefamily gathering um, you have
something for moi.

Wilson (00:35):
I I do so.
It was a topic, I think, Imentioned in a previous episode.
Maybe, maybe okay um, have youever heard of the Yule Cat?
Yeah, no, I think I saw thisfrom an Instagram meme and it
sounded like a joke, so I lookedit up and it's real.
So Yule Cat is IcelandicChristmas lore, so it's a huge

(01:01):
and vicious cat that is said tolurk in the snowy countryside.

Captain (01:07):
Why is it twice the size of a house?

Wilson (01:11):
I mean, you're not going to have a house cat be like
this scary monster.
It has to be enormous.

Captain (01:18):
Bruh twice the size of a house.

Wilson (01:21):
But the thing about it is it eats people who did not
receive new clothing beforechristmas eve.
So if you don't get new clothesfor christmas, you're gone wait
.

Captain (01:33):
Why like?
Why is iceland like it's newclothes or bust?

Wilson (01:39):
I don't know.
So there is another version ofthe story where it just eats
your food if you don't get newclothes.

Captain (01:46):
So it spares you, but you will starve.
Yes, okay, but I am curious.

Wilson (01:52):
I didn't look up like why, like you know, usually
these stories teach a lesson tokids to be good, or but it's
like oh, it just kills the lessfortunate.
That's kind of what it seemslike.

Captain (02:08):
Yeah, I'm looking right now and it's from a book from
the 1800s, but it says that theauthor of the book didn't really
give a source for the storyeither.

Wilson (02:19):
Okay, wait, I do see now what they're talking about.
It was used as a threat andincentive for farm workers to
finish processing the wool thatthey collected that fall bro,
not the farmers.

Captain (02:31):
They already have so much to do they spreaded this.

Wilson (02:34):
Sorry, they spread this they spreaded they spreaded for
like adult farm workers likeusually, it's like a kid thing.

Captain (02:41):
What does it even mean?
They spreaded.

Wilson (02:42):
They spread like what they like the story.
Does that even mean they spreadit?
They spread what?

Captain (02:45):
The story spread.

Wilson (02:47):
Well yeah, they created the story to incentivize farm
workers to-.

Captain (02:50):
Okay, here's my question Farm workers are adults
.

Wilson (02:54):
Most likely, unless they have little child workers.

Captain (02:56):
And they're believing in the Yule Cat.

Wilson (03:00):
Maybe it was the farmers that did it for their farm
workers.

Captain (03:04):
And those people are not also adults?

Wilson (03:08):
Maybe not, maybe not.

Captain (03:12):
I guess this is before the age of the internet, so who
knows?

Wilson (03:14):
I think it's pretty old.
It's folklore, so it says 1860.
Well, okay, 1862, maybe.

Captain (03:24):
Wow, in 2018, they put up a sculpture of a Yule Cat.

Wilson (03:27):
Where.

Captain (03:28):
In Christmas decorations.
Dude, don't ask me to pronouncethis Rækjavik.

Wilson (03:33):
Oh, rækjavik Iceland.

Captain (03:35):
I only know that because somebody went there.
Is that how you say Y-K-J nextto each other?

Wilson (03:40):
I guess I just know somebody that went there and
they said it was pronouncedReykjavik.

Captain (03:46):
You and all your friends.

Wilson (03:49):
It was a friend.

Captain (03:50):
Well, they put up a 16-foot statue of it.

Wilson (03:54):
I'm going to have to see it.

Captain (03:56):
Let's go, let's read Podcast on the road.

Wilson (04:01):
Just to see this Yule Cat.

Captain (04:02):
The Yule Cat.
Some of the ways that this isum illustrated very, very
beautiful yeah, this.

Wilson (04:09):
Okay, I'm looking up the picture of the sculpture and
that was terrifying.

Captain (04:12):
Oh, that's like red eyes I mean if it's supposed to
scare you into knitting it's thebig uh knitting industry.
Yeah, yeah, it's like bigpharma, but yeah, big knit yeah,
um, okay, well, I guess let meknow if you'll kind of ever

(04:33):
visits you in the night yeah, Imean, I don't really.
I guess I get clothes forchristmas now so I'm in danger
if I don't, I actually I'mgetting clothes for Christmas
too.

Wilson (04:45):
You already know what you're getting for Christmas.

Captain (04:47):
Well, this was a purchase that was made with my
approval.

Wilson (04:52):
Okay.

Captain (04:54):
I feel like, and I'm glad I was asked for approval
hey Jay's on the podcast.

Jay (04:59):
Hey, jay, speaking of approval Wait what.

Captain (05:04):
I don't know.
You think you've been approvedto join.

Jay (05:09):
Yeah, I guess so.
Or needing approval from mypeers.
Talk about a fashion emergencybeing like the day before
Christmas.

Captain (05:17):
And it's like I don't have any new clothes.
I also have one thing that I dowant to give you on the podcast
.

Wilson (05:24):
Oh wow.

Captain (05:28):
I just think that it's podcast related.

Wilson (05:31):
Should I shake it?
It's making a lot of noise,perhaps, so I should open it up,
yeah.

Captain (05:41):
Really get that tear in the mic.

Jay (05:43):
Did you know I was going to be on this episode before you
got the gift?
Because, there's only one gifthere.

Captain (05:52):
I can't show this to anyone I know oh, I wonder if we
could put it on the insta it'san alien's alien and he can
build it like he likes to do.
I really liked this, because Ishould have pulled this up, but
I even have the saliva drippingdown.

Wilson (06:07):
Yeah, it's its own lego piece.

Captain (06:10):
Yes, oh my god, thank you um, yeah, it's like a you
build the alien.
I wasn't sure if you had one ofthose I definitely do not okay,
okay, um, thank you but Ireally liked on the on the
website sells it.
I was wondering if I could pullthis picture up, but one of the
pictures in the ad was this,where they just have it propped

(06:30):
on two books and I was like thisis not this is so Wilson coded.

Jay (06:34):
It is so Wilson coded.
Very derpy I was like.

Wilson (06:38):
I can do it.
That is so cool.
Thank you.

Jay (06:41):
I'm assuming my present got lost in the mail.

Captain (06:46):
Very unfortunate, cool.
Thank you.
I'm assuming my present gotlost in the mail.
Very unfortunate.
You know you're gonna have totalk to the manager.
Yeah, I will.

Jay (06:50):
Yeah, I will.
I will talk to the manager,you're already on thin ice.

Wilson (06:52):
So good luck with that conversation I think sternly
worded email he's gonna need aname, especially if I sit him on
a pile of books like thatpicture, like that that gives
like fred, energy, like, or orsomething along those lines.

Jay (07:05):
Two mouth Tony.

Wilson (07:06):
Two mouth, tony Two mouth.

Jay (07:08):
Yeah, they have two mouths.

Wilson (07:10):
Oh, oh, the little mouth , so like maybe Fred and little
Tony, and little Tony is likethe.

Jay (07:16):
Little.

Captain (07:17):
Tony, ah, tony, tony, tony, yeah, yeah, he's like.

Jay (07:19):
Hey how you doing.

Captain (07:21):
Oh yeah, Give me like a , I'm little Tony.

Jay (07:25):
Hey how you doing.
Yeah, your brains look realgood over there, so I'm gonna
chow down.

Wilson (07:31):
So I feel like that means fred has, I think, like a
british accent, and then littletony's like little tony's from
like brooklyn or that is veryproper, he's really like

Jay (07:40):
I'm a gentleman this is like the makings of a sitcom.
And then little tony pops out.

Captain (07:47):
He's from old england, he's from new england yeah, this
quirky yeah quirky duo hashtagxenomorph just a xenomorph
trying to make it in the city.

Jay (07:59):
I mean I would watch that oh yeah, I would watch the shit.

Wilson (08:05):
So does it get a laugh track like does that make it oh
better?

Captain (08:09):
like it's almost a satire sitcom yeah I think it
makes it, I kind of like that,yeah, yeah it would.
Um, I think it would playreally well and honestly it's
giving like a robot chicken skityeah, I was just thinking that,
yeah, like a robot, chickenskit.

Wilson (08:22):
They just turned to a tv show like I don't think it
could go for eight seasons oranything like that, but at least
seven.
I was thinking maybe like one,I mean that far in little.

Captain (08:33):
Tony is getting married , Fred's getting married.

Jay (08:35):
They're having kids.

Wilson (08:37):
I mean.
So do you think they're like inhuman culture, or is it like?

Captain (08:44):
an alien planet?
No, no, they're, they're.
They're like in manhattan, butthey're in like brooklyn trying
to make it okay.
It's like two people withaliens.

Wilson (08:51):
I thought it was like maybe they were raised around
other aliens, but like or like,they're on an alien planet, but
they were raised in on earth andthen they're like it oh, the,
the invert yeah.
So I don't, I don't know Whoa.
I feel like that'd be tough.
We have some options.

Captain (09:04):
Yeah, that'd be tough, that'd be a big budget sitcom
they have like season six, theygo through a time portal and
they have to live on thexenomorph planet for a season,
and then they realize thatthey're too humanized and they
have to go back to Earth.

Wilson (09:16):
Yeah, it's like.

Jay (09:17):
Jack like we have to go back.

Wilson (09:22):
That could work.

Captain (09:23):
That could work I mean, if it's seven seasons in, we
got, I mean we gotta, you know,play with one season no there's
a lot.

Jay (09:28):
Seven seasons you're at the bottom of the barrel.
Full cheese at that.
Yeah, definitely.

Wilson (09:34):
It's like xenomorph bats are all right at that point I
think we could also do like ahalf season arc where they have
a shift rotation on the nostromoand they're like guys, this
isn't working out, it's notscary enough.

Captain (09:47):
Nobody's dying, yeah, yeah, yeah you know the little
crawly creatures face huggersface huggers would have to come
into play at some point.

Wilson (09:56):
I just see one of those smoking a cigarette oh, they're
like co-workers one of it'sclaws, the world's biggest
cigarette, it's just basicallyone giant hand.

Captain (10:08):
He's like the line cook in some pizza shop that little
Tony ends up working in at somepoint.

Wilson (10:13):
It's just a neighborhood in Brooklyn Fred's like.

Captain (10:20):
Matty has to be there because he's like.
I'm trying to do somethingreally important.

Jay (10:23):
This is going to become the show within the show for you
guys.
This is turning into a realshow, though.

Wilson (10:29):
Give us some good groundwork.

Jay (10:30):
Tune in next week for what happens to little Tony.
What's the name, fred?

Captain (10:36):
Yeah, Fred's a proper Englishman.

Wilson (10:39):
We'll never get the rights to this, but that would
be it.
I'm into this show now.
We the rights to this, but thatwould be it.

Jay (10:44):
I'm into this show now.

Captain (10:44):
We're halfway there, I'm pretty sure I just got a
text that was a cease and desistfrom Ridley Scott.
Ridley Scott himself, wow.

Wilson (10:53):
Okay, so I think we need to get Sigourney as a guest on
the podcast and tell her ouridea for this show.

Captain (10:59):
See what she thinks.
Yeah, we're friends.
I'll call Siggy.

Wilson (11:02):
We got one person so far .

Captain (11:03):
Maybe we can like get I'll call her she actually
suggested that lego set oh right, yeah, she like gave you that
idea, she like literally craftedit yeah, it's actually signed,
I see it on the side, if youbrought that to a thing where

(11:26):
she would sign things.
Do you think she would sign thebox?

Wilson (11:30):
If I'm giving her money.
I feel like she's going to signit.

Captain (11:34):
She's so cool.
She's cool.
I do like her.
Get away from her, you bitch.

Wilson (11:39):
I don't think she does cons, though Probably not.
She's a little too like abovethat, I feel like she's at an
age now where she's like I don'tneed any of that.
That's true.

Jay (11:50):
I feel like some actors they're just not into it, Like
you kind of have to be into it,Like it's a lot.
You go to those conventions,You're kind of surged by a lot
of people.

Captain (12:09):
I've only been to like oh, 80 of these people I hate,
so it's just really cringe yourfellow fans.
It's really cringe.
People just want to hang outand I maybe not all conventions
are like that, but sometimes I'mlike, oh my gosh, I would not
be friends with any of thesepeople that are around me right
now I think they they probablyjust see all walks of life, so
they just need to be like.

Wilson (12:21):
It's probably is a lot to like.
Yeah, they need to be okay withjust like interacting with
anyone did you watch style 2?

Captain (12:27):
not yet.
Oh then I can't say what I wasgonna say you know, the scene in
style 2 that I was gonna talkabout.

Jay (12:31):
I do know the scene as well , as you were talking about, but
because I don't like to dospoilers, I won't bring it up
jesus, I'm not a criminal.

Captain (12:40):
Okay, do you want to pop?
Do you want to like say whatyou were gonna say, jay, because
jay wanted to say something oh,I did have a little little
tidbit um.

Jay (12:48):
So one of my, yeah um, one of the one of my favorite movies
, creep um by mark duplass, hasa tv show called the creep tapes
starring mark duplass returningto his role is.
I can't actually remember thename of the character, he's just
the serial killer Does he havea name.

Captain (13:09):
I think his name changed.
He tells people different names.

Jay (13:12):
I don't think he ever gives his real name, the only name
that we really get is thatscuttlebutt.

Captain (13:16):
What's that wolf's name ?

Jay (13:17):
Oh, Mr Peach Fuzz.

Captain (13:18):
Peach Fuzz.

Wilson (13:19):
Yeah, name, we really get fake names dying creep, no,
no he ends up just killingeverybody okay, so it's creep
tapes the creep takes are cool,or is it like?

Jay (13:29):
it's like prequel.

Captain (13:30):
So basically he has in the creep movie he you end up
seeing his shelf where he hashundreds of vhs tapes with
different people's names on itof other people that he's, that
he's trapped, that he's, youknow, conned into coming and
filming him and then he ends upkilling them.
So the the creep tapes areliterally that it's 23 minute
episodes of his vhs tapes, likeas if they were pulled directly

(13:53):
off of his okay in his house andwe're watching now.

Jay (13:57):
Right now it's currently airing.
It's like episode five justcame out by the time this comes
out.

Captain (14:01):
Yeah, it'll be six, five or six.
It'll be five or so.
You've watched it so far, yeahwe're watching it actually, yeah
, and it's cool.

Wilson (14:06):
What's it on?

Jay (14:07):
It's definitely cool, it's ooh, amc Plus or something AMC
Plus, I think.
Maybe it's like maybe Somethingweird Showtime, maybe.
I don't know, but what I woulddo is wait until it's done
airing and then get the freetrial and then watch it all.

(14:28):
Oh yeah, Just binge it.

Captain (14:30):
But they're short, they're like 23 minutes and you
get that same creep feelingwithout being sucked into a
whole movie and it like practicethese different roles that he
wants to do.
When he like hires somebody tocome film him, he like does a

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different character every singletime and it's like really cool
to see it.

Wilson (14:55):
I think I need to re-watch Creep before I watch
the show.

Jay (14:57):
I would re-watch Creep 1, and if you haven't seen Creep 2,
do you watch Creed 2?
You?

Captain (15:01):
don't have to.
I just know that.

Jay (15:02):
Jay loves the movie.
No, I do, and they do a lot.
They play a lot more in theseries because they're short
form and they're just littleepisodes.
So if it's a bad idea, at leastit's not a two-hour bad idea.
Right, it's only 20 minutes.
So I think one of the episodesI particularly did not like the
most recent, I think the mostrecent one where he's yeah, I
didn't like that one, but mostof them are actually are pretty

(15:22):
good and the first episode ofthe season is really good.
I have a feeling they just usethe best one to get people to
suck in, but I really like thatone, that middle one.

Captain (15:31):
I don't want to give too much away but, um, he's
playing a I.
I don't think this gives.
He's playing a priest oh, thatis.

Jay (15:37):
That role is so funny.

Captain (15:39):
It is funny because you can he just he's so bad at
playing a priest.

Jay (15:44):
But it's intentional.

Captain (15:45):
He's very that you're like, is this just a really
weird priest that's trying to belike cooling down with it?
Yeah, and but yeah, it's reallygood.

Wilson (15:51):
I I honestly forget.
Are these all airbnb guests orwhatever it's?

Jay (15:55):
a, it's, it's just different stuff, like a
craigslist.

Captain (15:58):
Usually it's usually not always.
Usually it's like he hiressomebody to like film something
he wants to do, and what he'sasking them to film is always
different.
But he just gets them there,makes them wildly uncomfortable
for a couple of hours and thenyeah.

Jay (16:13):
And typically, when you think about it, one of the
creepy parts is like man,someone could really do this.
They could just rent out anAirbnb and then invite you to it
and pretend it's their houseusing a fake name, and then
you're done yeah, just leavethere's like oops so yeah so
that's it would be an incredibleserial killer.

Captain (16:32):
Yeah, but as I've mentioned before, mark duplass
has a creepy fucking face and ifI met him in real life at like
a convention, I don't think Icould see him any other way.
Besides, he's a serial killer.

Jay (16:43):
He can do a really good creepy stare like a really good.

Captain (16:45):
I don't think I could see him any other way.
Besides, he's a serial killer.
He can do a really good creepystare.
I don't think I could see himas a regular person.

Wilson (16:48):
You did say he is a regular character in the Morning
Show.
The Morning Show Interesting.

Captain (16:51):
Yeah, I haven't watched that yet.

Wilson (16:54):
I would say watch that season one.
You're probably good.

Captain (16:59):
You're probably good.

Wilson (17:00):
You could continue, but it's like no A season maybe it
could continue, but it's like aseason, maybe one and two, or
like a story in itself.

Captain (17:07):
Oh, ok, I also wanted to talk about that movie that we
finally both watched calledHeretic.
Are you dying?
No, yeah, I loved how creepyHeretic was.
The slow burn yes.

Wilson (17:25):
The unsure if what he's saying is real it was a little
like it played out a littledifferently than I expected,
Like I thought it was going tobe like maybe a little more
super, super naturally not likea um like uh, figure out like
not murder mystery, but likekind of like one of those you're
figuring out what's going on.

Captain (17:52):
It was like a plan the whole time, right.
Oh okay, I don't know.
I liked the.

Wilson (17:54):
I liked the way it was like initially shown and then
the reveal at the end.
Yes, spoiler.
I um I did not expect uh,sophie, or like the girl from
yellow jackets, her to just likedie.

Captain (18:03):
So early or quickly.

Wilson (18:06):
I think that was the trick too, like you thought she
was going to be the one thatwould, if anyone survive.
Yeah, and that way it was good.

Captain (18:14):
We were watching in theaters, though, and I like at
the certain like like thethriller suspense parts, I mean,
it was like dead silent inthere, like people were in it.

Jay (18:24):
No, it's very good.
I, I, I really like the, theending.
I I kind of was like you, likeyou mentioned, I wish there was
more to it, you know.
But again, it's kind of hardwhen you build up that much
suspense and there's so muchmystery.
It's like it's kind of hard todeliver when the the build-ups
so well executed.
But I, I still really like themovie and you know, and Hugh

(18:45):
Grant is a really good villain.

Captain (18:46):
He's played a lot of good villains actually recently.
Kind of makes me want to kickhim in the nuts.

Jay (18:51):
He's good.
Yeah, it's just a fun movie.
I don't know what I wasexpecting, but it's just.
They really, really kind ofmake you deeply unsettled, like
from the beginning where theyturn that candle and it's
blueberry pie and it's like, ohcrap.

Wilson (19:04):
unsettled, like from the beginning, where they turn that
candle and it's blueberry pieand it's like, oh crap, oh yeah,
it's like we're not leaving.
I think the trailer gave thataway, but it was.
I didn't see the trailer.
So that happened and I was likeoh, really makes a bitch.

Captain (19:12):
Want that candle my favorite.

Wilson (19:14):
They do sell it 824, I know, but I'm like I could buy a
blueberry oh yeah, that's waybetter and way cheaper, probably
like shit on.

Captain (19:21):
824 is merch.
I don't know if I've everbought it personally.

Wilson (19:25):
I have seen on Reddit some people complain about the
merch.
It's like are you serious rightnow?

Captain (19:29):
Yeah, that's why I haven't actually pulled the
trigger on any of it.

Jay (19:33):
Yeah, Well, my favorite part of that movie and this is a
spoiler, but is when they goback to his room and he's kind
of giving them their wholerundown.
It's very clear something'swrong and that this person has
at least some malicious intent.
They're begging him like pleasejust get your wife out of here
I cannot be here.
We need a wife, we need a woman.
He's like, alright, I'll go getmy wife.

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He's like well, I'll go get mywife, if you still believe she's
in that room back there, andI'm just like it's like, oh yeah
, it's like you couldn't thinkof a worse thing, you.
You could hear in that momentit's like oh no.

Wilson (20:08):
I think I wanted that movie to be like an actual test
of faith for the girls like Iwanted it to play out like maybe
there was a supernaturalcomponent, like they were
actually tested, whether theyreally believed or not, not like
just a guy that really likedbeing in control of people.

Captain (20:25):
Yeah, cause that's what it ended up being, and you, you
think it is a test of theirfaith, right?

Wilson (20:31):
I guess to some degree.
But like for him, he was likehe was just saying what he could
like get people to do, likeyeah, Cause he's like.

Jay (20:39):
master plan was like he gets them to believe in a
miracle and then ends up makingthem one of his disciples, that
gets stuck in that dungeon.
Yeah, but like I thought it wasgoing to be more like okay, one
of these paths will actuallyset you free, but are you
willing to be truthful toyourself enough to take it?
Yes, like, are you just goingto walk through the belief door
Because, even though you knowfor a fact that there's no way

(20:59):
that you're going to get outthat way, are you going to
actually be honest with yourselfand go through the agnostic
door or whatever?
It didn't end up being that way.
It wasn't a bad movie.
Still, I really liked the idea.
I liked Little Butterfly on thevery end.

Captain (21:12):
Yeah, Her sister lands on her.

Jay (21:16):
I really liked that movie.
I just didn't know anythingabout it.
I just heard it was good.
I went in without knowinganything.
I was pleasantly surprised.

Captain (21:23):
Grant is something.

Jay (21:25):
Definitely.

Wilson (21:26):
Hugh Grant.
I haven't seen him in anythingrecently besides that.
Well, I did see him in Wonka.

Jay (21:32):
Oh, I haven't seen Wonka.
Was it good?
I actually liked it.

Wilson (21:35):
I was like very apprehensive, but it ended up
being good.

Jay (21:40):
Tim Tay is a very talented actor.
Tim Tay, he's nothing like thecharacter he plays.
I mean he plays some like crazyyou know like he plays like a
lot of like royalty in a lot ofmovies.
He's a very talented actor butin person he's like kind of like
just a chill guy.

Captain (21:55):
I think he's just like a dude, like yeah, he's just a
dude Like he's into college, uhfootball yeah, he seems like
gibby ohio are shocked by howmuch he knows and he's laying
down stats and stuff and they'relike what though?
What?
Like?

Wilson (22:13):
they are shocked that this kid is like he's following
it all because it's probablywhat he likes did you see he did
, or like there was somebodyorganized a timothy chalamet
like lookalike contest in newyork in like washington square
park and he was there he showedup, he like heard about it so
like he took a picture with thewinners of like the look-alike

(22:33):
contest.

Captain (22:34):
People knew it was actually him.

Wilson (22:36):
Like, oh yeah, like I think he just he showed up like
it was independently organizedpeople, just like, hey, if you
look like him, show up likesometimes, celebrities enter
this contest and they don't win.
I heard Dolly Parton.
I don't think he entered, hejust heard it was happening and
he showed up and then it waslike, yeah, I'll take a picture
with you.

Captain (22:54):
Did the winners actually look like him?

Wilson (22:57):
Pretty close, I think.
Yeah, they all looked likevariations of him.
Nobody I don't think was likeoh, that's timmy.

Jay (23:03):
Yeah, that little timmy it's hard to recognize
celebrities like in person.
Like tony hawk talks about allthe time how people will be like
hey, you look like tony hawk,he's like I am tony hawk and
they're like good one.

Captain (23:15):
It's like okay yeah, I think I've heard tony hawk say
something along the lines oflike people, you know he'll be
like skidding around.
They're like wow, you're reallygood for like you know for like
yeah, for like an older guy andhe's like.
Then they say something alongthe lines of like you know, was
tony hawk one of your heroes andhe was like, well, not, not

(23:35):
really it's me, but I guessthey're all picture they're like
in their mind.

Jay (23:42):
He is like 20 years ago.
I mean, that's the best way tobe famous is like you're famous
but no one recognizes you.
Yes, that's really great.

Captain (23:55):
Oh, I see these.

Wilson (23:56):
Yeah, they kind of look like him, but not, yeah, they're
like the winner.
Winner.
I was like I think there wereothers that were better, but Wow
, they didn't get your vote.

Jay (24:04):
Huh, Nope, nope nope, it's all rigged.

Captain (24:07):
Is there anything?

Wilson (24:08):
Oh, you have one other thing here.
Oh, just really quickly, didyou see, abigail?

Captain (24:11):
No.

Wilson (24:12):
Oh, that was actually pretty good, that's the ballet
thing.

Captain (24:15):
Yeah, it was on our list.

Wilson (24:16):
I thought the trailer gave away too much, but actually
it was more than I expected.

Captain (24:20):
It ended up being better than that.

Wilson (24:21):
Should I add this to?

Captain (24:22):
my letterbox now that I'm boxing yeah.

Jay (24:25):
Is it a horror movie?
Yeah, the last dancing horrormovie I saw was Suspiria.

Wilson (24:29):
Okay, I'll say it is not .
The girl in the focus of themovie is technically a dancer,
but it's not a dancing movie.

Jay (24:37):
Oh, okay.
Well, I don't think Suspiriawas weird.

Wilson (24:40):
Okay.
Well, it's like she maybedances in a few scenes, but it's
not.
Dancing is involved, I guess.
But I like Suspiria a lot Okayyeah, no, it's more like a
kidnapping heist type movie.

Jay (24:51):
Oh, it's not like Demonic, which is Coven.

Wilson (24:54):
I'm not going to answer that question, oh, okay.

Jay (24:58):
Someone kidnapped the devil in a ballerina's studio huh.
Yeah, maybe it's on a themewith this movie?

Captain (25:04):
Yeah, maybe Unless they're filming a door for 60
minutes.
Can I talk about the fact thatI really like this?

Wilson (25:13):
spoiler alert oh my gosh drinks, yes, what do you drink?

Captain (25:17):
I love this, this, um, I guess it's just bubbles and I
need to be expand on the bubblesyou're drinking.

Wilson (25:24):
Uh, you're blowing bubbles around here, yeah well,
I was told that.

Captain (25:28):
I'm going to be a fake fan if I say the whole name.

Jay (25:31):
Why would you be a fake fan ?

Wilson (25:32):
Just because I don't want to spell the company that
makes it.

Captain (25:36):
Rheingeist Bubbles.

Wilson (25:38):
Wait, that's the company .

Captain (25:40):
I guess, yeah, man.

Jay (25:45):
It's rosé fruited.
Ale it's so good, bro, Watchthe skull on it.

Captain (25:49):
I don't know, but it's bright and it's bubbly and it's
apple and peach and cranberry.

Wilson (25:54):
Are you just reading the description?
I mean, what am I supposed to?

Captain (25:57):
do Just come up from the top of the dome.

Wilson (25:59):
What are you tasting?
Put it on your palate.
I'm tasting all of those.

Captain (26:06):
Turn it sideways, stick your nose in it's all in there,
the tannins or whatever tanninsyeah, does that have tannins I
have no idea those tannins are,I tell you if I was gonna win a
million dollars and I had togive you the definition of what
a tannin is I'd be like thereare six tannins in this one.

Jay (26:24):
Well, I've seen a tannin bed, so I assume it's something
similar.

Wilson (26:29):
How many tannins you got in that one.

Captain (26:31):
I think it's a lot Like a 20 maybe.
Yeah, I think like 21.
Wow, yeah 50 tannins, easy,easy, I don't know what the fuck
hops are, I don't know whattannins are, I don't know what
none of that shit is yeah.
I couldn't tell you.
I thought hops were nuts, butapparently they're like green
balls.
What, what would you think?

Wilson (26:53):
So I don't know nothing, but they're in there.
Yeah, let's just say tanninsare the percentage behind
alcohol.
Whenever you see in a can Likeit's 16%, like 12% alcohol, it's
like that's related to how manytannins are in there.
Okay, yeah.

Captain (27:06):
It's like a rough, like a correlation yeah like eight
and a half tannins it's not atall.

Jay (27:12):
It's really the vibe.

Captain (27:13):
It's not at all correct guys.

Jay (27:14):
It's really the vibe.
I think you're being serious.
I was like, oh, let me run.
Oh no me waiter.
How many tannins?
Oh my god.
I'm looking for ten, that wineplace we went to yesterday.

Captain (27:29):
I'm looking for ten is crazy.

Wilson (27:34):
Okay, so if we go back to that wine bar, from yesterday
.
Oh my god bother that man thatknows everything about wine.
I really like when there's overten or so tannins in it.
He's going to be like actuallyyou need to leave.

Jay (27:49):
This is not for you.
Get some.
Franzia, you're good, you'refor sure getting boxed wine if
you come in there and be like Iwant 20 tannins on the table
right now.
Now I'm not leaving withoutthem.

Captain (28:01):
Double shot of tannins please.

Jay (28:03):
Get this guy a Coke Zero and put some grenadine in it, I
guess Perfect.

Captain (28:09):
Well, they're in here.

Wilson (28:10):
I like it.

Jay (28:11):
What are you drinking I?

Wilson (28:13):
got Surfside raspberry tea and vodka.

Captain (28:17):
And it's not a Kona.
I was going to say it's not aKona.

Jay (28:21):
You don't see one anywhere.
Let the record show.
I like the colors of that can.

Wilson (28:26):
Well, I bet it tastes good, because I'm also drinking
the Surfside.

Captain (28:30):
It's really good.
Wait, yours is a differentcolor.

Jay (28:34):
It's a different flavor.

Wilson (28:34):
Yeah, you're right, oh it's peach tea and vodka.
Oh yeah, it's a four-pack ofdifferent teas.

Jay (28:39):
I was about to roast you and be like you, idiot, and
about to like, roast you and belike you idiot and I was like oh
wait, no they are?
These are totally differentcolors.
I just didn't know, I was likeit's the exact same.

Wilson (28:52):
No, it's a different camp.
I mean they all kind of tastethe same it's less into martin.

Captain (28:56):
So that's about, yeah, I think they they do rank the
same as below the drink that I'mdrinking, which is number one
they were like in terms oftannins.

Jay (29:06):
I've heard so much about it , but I've actually never.

Wilson (29:08):
Oh, you haven't tried the bubbles yet, I have not
tried it.

Jay (29:10):
It looks good.

Wilson (29:11):
Just be ready for how many tannins are in there.

Captain (29:14):
Yeah, did you cleanse the palate that smells?

Jay (29:15):
like a 20 popper 20 popper, it's really good.
There is some Somalia right nowbeing like I won't never listen

(29:37):
to this.

Captain (29:37):
I keep thinking of that man yesterday.

Jay (29:39):
He loves wine he was very knowledgeable.

Captain (29:44):
I'm gonna be a dick bro .
Hey, let me get some tanninsover here.
Tannins Anyone else?
Tannins, three tannins Round oftannins.
Sir, get out Sir how manytannins have you consumed today,
anyway, oh my gosh you want topop in here, let's uh, let's pop

(30:15):
in uh.

Wilson (30:15):
Merry, merry, christmas, happy holidays, however you
celebrate.
This is our holiday episode.
This is our holiday.
It is our holiday episode.
This is our holiday.

Captain (30:23):
It is our also finale episode Holla slay, holla, slay,
holla, slay, all right.

Wilson (30:28):
So welcome to the 163rd episode of the Red Rum Podcast,
where we review horror movieswhile enjoying a little beverage
or two and some tannins.
And I'm Captain, and I'm Wilson, and this week we're reviewing
the 2019, I said it right thattime supernatural horror film, I
Trapped the Devil.

Captain (30:49):
I only took the whole season, the whole season.

Wilson (30:52):
Can I have another drink ?

Captain (30:57):
Loving this director Josh.

Jay (31:00):
Lobo Wait, was it our turn?
Why do you sound like a clown?

Wilson (31:03):
Was it Pee Wee Herman?
Hey you guys.

Captain (31:07):
I filled out our sheet and I put in all caps.
He's done nothing.

Jay (31:13):
I mean, I've seen the movie .

Wilson (31:14):
Yes, he's done nothing, oh my god, I mean it is his
directorial debut, and he's mostknown for this film.
Prior to this, he did make aname for himself through short
films mostly with like, uh, it'slike psychological horror,
tension building and focus onmood and atmosphere.
I don't know what they were, Idon't know if the shorts were at

(31:37):
all and I can't click on himwell, they're probably not good
oh well, I mean, he got a movie,so he did get a movie, so he
probably had something a lot ofpeople get a movie, maybe
something.

Jay (31:48):
I mean the person who made hashtag horror got a movie.

Captain (31:51):
That's true and there was an actor actress in there.

(32:19):
That was like kind of actuallylike yeah, there was like a real
actor too.

Jay (32:23):
Yeah, yeah, because they used one of the guys' real house
, wasn't it?

Wilson (32:30):
It was him or his wife's house, and it was an actual
actor.

Jay (32:33):
I don't know his name, but I recognize him.
He's like a B-list, C-listcelebrity throughout the years.

Captain (32:37):
Wilson, I'm not going to say outright that you're
lying, but I do not see anyshorts that this man has done he
, but I do not see any shortsthat this man has done.

Jay (32:44):
He's probably done something.

Captain (32:46):
Okay, I don't know Like a film school class project.

Wilson (32:50):
Somehow he got funding for this.

Jay (32:51):
Someone gave this man money to make a movie.

Captain (32:54):
They did.
Everyone can agree on.
Was it a GoFundMe?

Jay (32:58):
I mean.

Wilson (32:59):
A GoFundMe?
I don't think so.
Was it like a Make-A-Wish?

Jay (33:01):
Make-a-wish.

Captain (33:02):
No, okay, anyway.
So there's really like what?

Wilson (33:06):
three main characters, but yeah, which is kind of nice.
It's like a small cast.
Yeah, I can't really click onany of them, but we have Scott
Poitras.

Captain (33:15):
Oh gosh, that sounds like I have a lisp when I say
that it does.

Wilson (33:20):
That's just how I would.
I mean point press.
So he's an actor and producer.
He's appeared in several indiefilms and TV series, includes
the Sound.

Captain (33:35):
Bastards.
And oh, he's in the WalkingDead, I guess for like a little
bit.
Yeah, like I don't know, heplays Matt in this movie, matt.

Jay (33:39):
Oh, I think I recognize him from the Walking Dead.
Wait what, oh my goodness, heis Beth's husband.
I think I recognize him fromthe Walking Dead.
Wait what, oh my goodness, heis Beth's husband.

Captain (33:46):
I think Wait, which one's Beth.

Jay (33:48):
Oh, sorry, she's not Beth, carol, carol's husband, isn't
that?
No, isn't he the abusivehusband.
No, he's not I think so how doyou recognize him?
I'm guessing that's who he was.
If he's not a random zombie, Idon't think they mentioned he
was in the Walking Dead.
If he was a zombie, I don'tknow how to search this.

Wilson (34:05):
If he was a zombie, I swear, but yeah, I don't, that's
why I'm assuming.

Captain (34:08):
Wait, I'm confused because it looks like Scott
Poitras.

Wilson (34:12):
Oh, I searched Matt Poitras.

Captain (34:15):
That's why I didn't find him.
It looks like Scott.
Poitras is not Matt in thismovie.
Who is?

Jay (34:19):
he?
It looks like he.
I don't know which one waswhich.

Captain (34:21):
Steve was the guy that was losing his mind.

Wilson (34:24):
Yeah, so I'm going to blame ChatGPT for that.

Jay (34:27):
So Scott Porthras is the guy who's losing his mind.

Captain (34:30):
Yes.
Oh, okay, I don't think he wasit, but AJ Bowen as Matt, you
think that was Carol's husband.

Jay (34:37):
I thought so, but he was saying that Scott Porthras was
the one in Walking Dead, correct?

Wilson (34:41):
Yes, unless it got the names mixed up.

Captain (34:47):
See, this is why humans still have jobs.
I think yeah.

Wilson (34:51):
We need to.
Maybe we'll go back to night Tobe fair.

Jay (34:54):
IMDB does not know who these people are, so you can't
possibly expect us to know.

Wilson (35:01):
Fair, fair, fair.

Jay (35:02):
He kind of looks like the guy that got unalive in the
season one of Walking Dead.

Wilson (35:05):
I don't have to tell you um, oh, so I did when I
searched aj bowen who plays matt.
Um, it did auto fill and googleto the house of the devil,
which we did do, oh yeah, so heis in there.

Captain (35:19):
Different from I trapped the devil.

Wilson (35:20):
This is now house of the Devil, house of the Devil.
I think had Dee.

Captain (35:25):
Wallace in it?
Was it just the prequel to this?
Oh, it was like a cult.

Jay (35:29):
Like satanic cult yeah it's like the babysitter goes to a
house and she goes to the atticand ends up being sacrificed.

Captain (35:35):
Dude how do you remember this?

Jay (35:36):
Well, because Dee Wallace is like the realtor or something
.

Wilson (35:39):
She has a small role.

Captain (35:40):
No no, no, you watched the movie with me.

Jay (35:42):
Yeah, you did the movie, you did the movie, though I
don't think I was on the episode, but we watched the movie.
I remember the movie because itwas so strange.
The pacing was strange.
It was just a strange movie.
It wasn't horrible, but it wasjust.
It stuck in my mind.
It was very unique.

Wilson (36:00):
Yes.

Jay (36:00):
Better than this movie.

Wilson (36:06):
Oh, I can actually click on AJ.

Captain (36:07):
Bowne, so that makes sense.

Jay (36:07):
Okay, I thought it was so cool with that pole walking.
What is?

Captain (36:08):
the squelch for House of the Devil.

Wilson (36:10):
Oh man, I'm going to guess like 70.

Captain (36:15):
Really, yeah, you think it was before we talked to Dee
Wallace personally.

Wilson (36:21):
I think so.

Captain (36:22):
Really, I'm going to say a little later, I'm going to
say 87.

Wilson (36:28):
Do you want to know the answer?
Yeah, it's 51.
Yikes, so I win, but we wouldboth lose if it was Price is
Right rules.
You won.
Oh thanks, alright, so and then.

Captain (36:40):
It's a Christmas miracle.

Wilson (36:43):
He was in your Next.
I think I watched that.
Oh, he's in the Sacrament also,aj Bowen.

Jay (36:49):
There's a lot of horror stuff.

Wilson (36:51):
And then we have Sophie Dalla.
She was in the Stranger's Preyat Night.
Is that the new one, or is thatjust like a cheap spin off?

Captain (36:59):
I'm confused because these two people you have in
here, neither one of them areKaren.
So what the fuck, bro?
Karen is Susan, because thesetwo people you have in here
neither one of them are Karen,so what the fuck, bro, karen is
Susan Karen's out.

Wilson (37:11):
Who's Mary?

Captain (37:11):
Can you explain to me?

Wilson (37:14):
I'm looking at what you're looking at.
It's Susan, susan, whatever.

Captain (37:16):
Susan's not listening.
You're correct, stop, stop,stop, stop, stop that.

Jay (37:23):
Who's Susan?
I thought Susan was the onlywoman in the movie.

Captain (37:27):
Yeah, no, her name's Karen in the movie.

Jay (37:29):
Great, but the actor's name is Susan.

Captain (37:31):
How do you know that?

Jay (37:32):
Because in the credits there's only three names that
show up, and one of them's Susan.

Captain (37:37):
Oh, you were like watching I was locked in Susan
Burke.

Wilson (37:42):
Yes, I'm not going to look at this AI generated script
anymore, because I don't knowwho the hell Sophie Dalla is.

Captain (37:48):
I think she's the woman that's screaming, with her eyes
Blindfolded for like 30 seconds.

Wilson (37:53):
Oh, why would they not show?
Okay, she's not even listed onthe Wikipedia page.

Captain (38:01):
Susan Burke is.
Yeah, I don't know.
Susan Burke is the girl thatplays Karen, and she is mostly
known as a co-writer of a 2012film called Smashed, smashed,
smashed, but otherwise shedoesn't really have a lot.
Her wiki is real small.

Jay (38:20):
Yeah, real small.
She's got a bit of the stoneface when it's just not a lot
happening on the face you getawkward smiles.

Captain (38:27):
You know something about that awkward smile was
hilarious something about herface, and I'm not saying this as
in.
They are lookalikes, but thereis some features.
That is giving cameron diaz,for some reason for care.

Wilson (38:41):
Really, I was thinking she kind of looked like Cameron.

Captain (38:44):
Diaz huh, yes, something about the clinks of
the smile.

Jay (38:50):
Clinks, the clinks.
She's got a Cameron Diaz clink.

Wilson (38:54):
I don't think that's a word, I think it's the shape of
the face.
I thought she was giving SarahLevy vibes a little bit.

Captain (39:01):
Sarah Levy.

Wilson (39:02):
Twyla from Schitt's Creek Drove the Chevy yeah.

Captain (39:07):
In the Levy.
Oh yeah, but Sarah Levy has toomuch of a normal yeah, Sarah
Levy.
I think Karen Diaz's face shapeis very similar.

Jay (39:19):
Kara Diaz.

Captain (39:20):
Yeah, these drinks are good.

Wilson (39:23):
Bubbles is so good.

Captain (39:31):
Strong.
Okay, it's not.
Yeah, it's so unimportant.
And his brother, steve, andmatt comes and he's married to
karen and karen comes how manysentences would you say exist in
this movie script?

Jay (39:41):
over under a hundred.
I think it's probably a under.
It's pretty sure it's brutalit's a lot of looking yeah,
longing stairs zoom in thedoorknob zoom into the door um,
wait, get that doorknob again,okay make sure the locks are

(40:02):
moving a little bit.

Captain (40:03):
40 minutes later.

Wilson (40:04):
Let's jump into the movie.
The movie is very short.

Captain (40:08):
The movie is only 82 minutes and we were all like
could have been shorter 10minutes of that was like an
intro basically, and then likethe last 5 minutes was credits,
so it's like it's a 70-minutemovie.

Jay (40:22):
It's really a 70-minute movie.

Captain (40:23):
Bro, the AI is fucked.
I'm not looking at the AI itsays Matt and Mary come travel,
and it's not.
It's Matt and Karen.

Wilson (40:30):
I want to know where it got any of that information from
.
Did it dig up an early script?

Jay (40:35):
All jobs are safe people.

Wilson (40:37):
That they are Starboy.

Captain (40:38):
Got another 10 years Starboy.
Sign that contract.

Wilson (40:46):
Okay, sign that contract , okay, so.
So this movie is like one ofit's kind of like a framed-ish
story, like it starts off, oh,with the police.
Yeah, the police are like theygo into a house and then it like
also very quickly cuts to theprevious night, so quickly that
I forgot that the police evenshowed up at the beginning.

Captain (41:00):
The two cops show up and I think it's supposed to
just give you Like a creepy vibe, Like they walk into a house
and there's like it doesn't seemlike there's anyone in there
and there's like twinklyChristmas lights but like no
life TV static, so it kind of islike eerie and then it just
cuts to credits and then to theactual story.

Wilson (41:20):
Yes, weird intro credits .
Okay, so basically it's Mattand his wife, karen show up at
Matt's brother's house, steve,steve to visit him and Steve's
like I didn't know you werecoming and clearly we know
basically right away, steve,there's something going on with
him.
We find out fairly quickly thathis wife and, I think, child

(41:43):
died in a car accident.

Captain (41:44):
Yeah, you say that I don't remember them like
specifically saying that therewas like a he's clearly grieving
.

Wilson (41:49):
And then he picked up a newspaper thing, or Matt did
later, Somebody did later, yeahyeah, yeah, and it references
like mother and child died in acar accident or something.

Jay (42:00):
That is a little into the movie, though it is, I thought
he was grieving his parents'death because this looks like
the childhood home.

Wilson (42:06):
I think it's their house , but I think Steve lived there
with his family.

Captain (42:14):
Yeah.
So, basically, they get there,though, and Steve's like you
can't stay here, and they'relike, well, we drove all this
way and we wanted to spendChristmas with you, so you're
not alone, and we didn't tellyou in advance and we're just
showing up and we want you to be.
We want people do that, really,um, yeah, so he's like you
gotta go and they're like no, sothey want to help him, because
I think that he's like broodingand like I don't know, just like

(42:35):
sitting, and which is fair,like he's in pain.

Wilson (42:38):
So they're like we want to, yeah, but like most of the
time he's not really sayinganything and they're like eating
dinner and they're asking.

Captain (42:44):
They're just talking to him, not responding at all and
then eventually he's not reallysaying anything and they're
eating dinner.

Wilson (42:45):
They're asking him questions.
He's not responding, they'rejust talking to him.
He's not responding at all, andthen eventually he's like Matt.
Can I talk to you in thekitchen?

Captain (42:51):
So, yeah, he's getting these phone calls that seem to
be threatening.
I guess we don't really hearanything, but he panics over the
phone during one of them andyou can see he's like on the
verge of tears.
And then he's like, hey, matt,like can I talk to you?
Um, and this is after they'vebeen in the house for like at
least an hour.
right, yeah, they've been herefor a little while, yeah so he

(43:12):
pulls him into the kitchen and Idon't remember exactly what he
says.
He says like, oh, do you trustme?
Like, do you really trust?

Wilson (43:19):
me really um, and I I think it cuts to.
Then karen snooping, yes, butthen karen runs into matt and
matt looks completely shaken oh,freaked out.
Yeah, and he's like chuggingliquor yeah, and she's like
what's going on and then it cutsto um steve bringing them both
to the basement yeah, I think Ithink we do hear matt saying

(43:42):
that scene that there's a manand he said he said steve, steve
is in trouble, and it's notjust that he's worse than I
thought.

Captain (43:50):
It seems like he's dangerous.
And then he says there, he hasa man in the basement.

Wilson (43:54):
Yes, yeah um, so this is where he, like we're in the
basement, there's it's just ared light and there's a closet
with a giant cross on it and abunch of locks, yep, and he's
basically saying, like I'vetrapped the devil yeah, he tells
them I've trapped the devil.

Captain (44:09):
And you can tell like karen and matt are not, they're
like huddled, they're like kindof scared.
Yeah, it's like an.

Wilson (44:17):
It's like an unspoken uneasiness yeah that they're
feeling they're not reallyaddressing it, but like, yes,
they know there's somebodytrapped in the closet.
They should probably help them,but there's like weird vibes.

Captain (44:30):
Yeah, so he has a giant cross on the door.
He takes the cross off the door, steve, and then as soon as he
does that, whoever is on theother side starts talking and I
think like begging for them tobe saved.
But it is very suspicious thatthey can't really talk until
that cross comes off the doorI'm assuming it's intentional,
but the audio mixing the voiceis pretty low.

Jay (44:51):
Oh, the voice, and it's a little distorted.

Captain (44:53):
Yeah, it's deep um, it's like a when they.
What is it?
It's like it's called something.

Jay (44:58):
When you're like, um, you put it over your voice to, like,
hide your identity like oh likea voice mixer or whatever this
is like the pool thing all overagain where I was.

Captain (45:08):
Like I swear I've been in a pool but I don't know any
of the night time.

Wilson (45:15):
Listening back to it I was like oh my god.

Jay (45:19):
It's a pool skimmer for your mouth.
I think it's an anonymizer orsomething.
It just distorts your voice soit's hard to recognize, but
that's what it sounds like, soit doesn't sound human.

Captain (45:32):
They said that the vibe down there is kind of like yeah
, it's like Steve says later onin the movie.
He's like I know you felt itSomething don't feel right when
you're down there.

Wilson (45:43):
Oh, and around here.
I think he says Offhanded thatthis thing's been trapped.
It like something.
Don't feel right when you'redown.
Oh, and it's around here.
I think he says like offhandedthat this thing's been trapped
in his basement for two years Iknow I was like sir pardon he's
lived like that for like stevehas lived in that house for two
years, pardon what do you mean?

Captain (45:57):
two years?
Yeah, yes, uh no um, I think wealso, I think around the same
time.
Um, so, like it's weird, it'slike they go back upstairs after
Matt and Karen hear him hearthis thing talk.
And then Karen is like well,thanks for that, because you've
roped us in here.
And, steve, like I'm gonna haveto call the cops, you're going
to jail Because, like I am notliving my life as like an

(46:21):
accomplice to this.
And Matt is like well, well,like let's hear him out.
Which is like what?

Jay (46:28):
yeah, he's my brother.

Captain (46:29):
He does say I don't want my brother to live the rest
of his life in jail, but he isnot as sus as he should be yeah
um, and so I don't know.
I matt, I think he goes tosteve and he's like convince me,
and that's when we see the roomwith all the red string
everywhere and he talks about.
Not a single bit of convincingwas done in there he talks about

(46:49):
all the evidence, which is onemissing person that shows back
up.
I don't know.

Jay (46:53):
I was very confused by that he's like I feel like fewer
evil.
Things have been happeningsince I've kidnapped this person
and it's like okay, but howmuch he's like, well, it's not a
lot, but if it's 1% less evil,isn't that a huge difference?

Wilson (47:06):
Yeah, I needed more.
The movie could have beenlonger.
Yes, and I could have used this.

Captain (47:12):
I need the explanation, he does say we're at the
precipice, and I'm like, sir,did you not just tell us you've
had him for two years?
So precipice is not a two-yearsituation, right?

Jay (47:27):
yeah, I, you know, and I don't know when we should get
into this.
I don't know if you want to doit after, but like at this point
in the movie or really a fewpoints before, it's kind of you
get the feeling like this reallyisn't fully baked, like the
premise is great and I was veryinterested going in, but I'm
like one, there's not even thatmuch dialogue.

(47:47):
And then, two, they're notreally playing on the idea that,
like this guy's got the deviltrapped.
But a normal person wouldassume oh, you're just
completely crazy.
Because when they go down therethere's an eerie red light,
they get goosebumps, the voicesounds distorted.
If it sounded like a normalhuman being, you're left as the
audience to be like oh, is it aregular person?
Is he crazy?

Wilson (48:06):
Is it really?

Jay (48:06):
the devil.
But no, they kind of just kindof like show their hand and like
, oh, it sounds like the deviland it's like okay, well then.
Yeah, if it's been down therefor two years with no food and
it sounds like the devil yes, Ithink you can't trust what
Steve's like.

Wilson (48:20):
Yeah, Well yeah, but that's more, I think, evidence
of like, if they think there'ssomething going on with Steve,
like I feel like when you knowthere's a guy trapped in the
basement, they would run intothe closet, rip it open, right,
they'd call the police.
But I would agree.
I think I love the idea of themovie.
I think it's either it shouldhave been a TV show episode or a

(48:40):
longer movie.
Right, I longer movie.

Captain (48:42):
Right, I agree.
I did see somebody on Redditwas saying that the Twilight
Zone did a very similar episodeand they did it much better.

Jay (48:48):
Twilight Zone is like one of the best TV shows I've made.

Captain (48:52):
I mean Twilight Zone is my favorite.
We used to have some greatnights years ago of just sitting
watching Twilight Zone.

Jay (48:59):
When we were young.

Captain (49:01):
When we were young.
Okay so the only explanation wereally get from steve mostly is
about the book he said hey,matt, here I know what I'll
convince you.
Look at this book called thedevil in you or something, where
it basically makes no sense.

Jay (49:19):
It's like I don't even understand.

Captain (49:20):
I think it's a book that basically suggests that the
devil can manipulate peopleinto committing evil acts.
And like the devil, he sayslike the devil's the seed.
It's not like the devil is justlike an actual person that like
walks around and like pulls thetrigger or like does the act,
but they put the seed of theidea in your head.

(49:42):
And the concept of what thatseed thing is.
He's like yeah, I got that shitin my closet.
In the concept of what thatseed thing is, he's like yeah, I
got that shit in my closet inthe basement basically right, I
mean, that's what he saysbasically what it is.

Jay (49:53):
And the after this, I don't understand the reaction.
The reaction is like veryneutral.
They're like, okay, we're justgonna hang out.
Like okay, you say you have thedevil.
They're like what do we?
Yeah, agree and disagree, let'sgo to bed.

Captain (50:05):
It's like what they weren't sure what to do and they
were contemplating, kind oflike, what they should do.
Um, yeah, and karen.
Around the same time though,karen, she sneaks down and she
hears the devil basicallybegging for their life again.
And that's when steve how, how,how holds her and matt at
gunpoint and says what did youhear?

(50:26):
I think they really are nottrusting.

Wilson (50:29):
I feel like that's especially the part I've been
like if I didn't call the policewhen I first heard there was a
guy in the basement after a gunwas pointed at me, I'd be like,
yeah, 100%, you know what we'regoing to drive through the night
, I don't care or leave.
You know what I mean.
You know what I mean.

Jay (50:44):
There was never a good reason given, besides the fact
of the implicit hey, we'rebrothers, I guess, but they
don't seem that close.
It seems strange why they wouldstay, why they would stay in
that situation.

Wilson (50:56):
It just doesn't make any sense at all to me, I think, if
this house was located in themiddle of nowhere and, let's say
, the power was out or the phonelines were down.

Captain (51:03):
the power was out or the phone lines were down.

Wilson (51:04):
They never give them I believe you're still here Even
the shot at the end of the movie.
They're in a neighborhood andthe phones still work.
There's a house right acrossthe street.

Jay (51:13):
Normal people.
It didn't really make a lot ofsense.
Again, I get the feeling thatlimited resources here.
It didn't seem like they had alot of writers.
I've never really seen a moviewith this little dialogue,
really at all.
I mean, even with the pointswhere you think there's gonna be
a conflict between the maincharacters and one side saying
this devil, the other sidesaying this can't be true.

(51:35):
It's like a two sentence, it'slike a very short exchange yeah,
very short and there's likeokay, and there's a lot of long
shots of someone sleeping doors,he's boarding up windows and
I'm like yeah someone's coming,I'm like what I would say.

Captain (51:46):
There's like it felt like it was like 10 minutes of
like you can see, matt and andkaren are like sitting in their
rooms, respectfully likerespectively, contemplating what
to do, meanwhile steve'sdownstairs listening to a record
, smoking, drinking and boardingup windows all at the same time
and I was like what's happeningin this house?

Wilson (52:05):
right, yeah, it just doesn't what's going on here,
but I don't really mind thoselike limited dialogue, because I
think you can get away withthat, but I think it's like the
the things around it I can't notfocus on or like I'm like I'm
focusing on, like I don'tunderstand their motivations.

Jay (52:20):
I don't understand why they aren't going to the police or
why they didn't leave yet yeah,I just feel like there's so much
opportunity to really lay down,because usually in a movie like
this, with the limitedresources, your best bet is like
hey, we can, now that we've setup a situation, just have
people talk through it and kindof I mean you don't have to
explain what's going on, butjust kind of like build up

(52:41):
either some suspense or sometension between the characters.

Captain (52:44):
I feel like the tension wasn't really all that really
dialed up it has to go in like anice upward right like angle
and I feel like you get the gunpointing and then he puts the
gun down and so it kind of fallsaway and then and yeah, and
then like it kind of there's aplateau and then it goes back up
, like later on in the movie.

(53:05):
But yeah, I want it like a niceincrease, steady increase, the
whole time.
If that's the way you want togo, that's the route you're
choosing.
She's so strange, but it allkind of comes to a head when and
I don't fully understand.
But basically, karen, it seemslike I know, karen, that you
feel it and you see it and I cansee it in your eyes.
You see it and I can see it inyour eyes and you see it.
And then he chloroforms her.

Wilson (53:27):
He's very confused.
Yes, and then maybe locks fromthe basement.

Captain (53:31):
Yeah, but why?
What's the purpose?
Why, karen?

Jay (53:35):
Didn't he say hey, I want you to see, I want you to open
up the door and see what you see, so I can see it too, because
to me it looks like a human.

Wilson (53:48):
I want to see what it looks like to you.
Is that what he says?
I?

Jay (53:49):
think that's something like that.
Yeah, he's like what it lookslike to.
You kept the door lockedbecause it like yeah, there's a
lot of scenes of her lookingscared at the door.
We never get to see the doorfor a while and she's just
backing up to the corner.
She's like, oh my goodness, ohmy goodness, and I think they're
.
I'm like, oh, they're to pan tothe door and it's going to open
because he unlocked it.
He didn't unlock it.

Captain (54:03):
I'm like, okay then why is I don't understand.
One of the big goofs is thedoor that they use for filming
has padlocks that have keys.
It doesn't make any sense inwhich that could ever get opened
, even at the very end of themovie when they're unlocking the
locks it's clearly switch locks, you can hear it.

Wilson (54:25):
You don't see it, but you can hear it behind his body.
That it's like.
You know.

Captain (54:27):
Maybe the key's just like hanging right next to the.
I mean it is it's, but likeit's confusing about the whole
movie because you're like I.
You keep focusing on theselocks that are shaking.
They're padlocks, key padlocksthere's.

Jay (54:37):
I don't they're also like really tiny locks, like the
locks you put on like carry-onluggage at the airport.
That door shakes a lot them.

Wilson (54:43):
That door shakes a lot too, yeah.
I'm like you could bust thehinges.
Satan can get out of there,okay, If Satan can't get out of
there.

Jay (54:49):
we're all good, there's no danger.

Wilson (54:51):
I mean there is a cross on the door.
I guess that's true.

Jay (54:54):
But they take it off and Satan is on the lead.

Wilson (55:07):
Yeah, he chains Karen up , but then saw to like a saw
blade and again very confused,I'm like why is he jigsaw,
playing a game with her?
I was so confused by that andshe just like like to cut
straight yeah, yeah.

Captain (55:13):
So I'm like why?
Why are we?
What's the puzzle?
What's happening?
It didn't really make any senseum, so she gets free, I think.
I think we get um.
Steve has a vision of which.
Thank you for my couch friends,because I didn't know what the
fuck that was, but apparently aman, the man that killed his
family.

Wilson (55:32):
Yeah, that vision that he sees.

Jay (55:33):
Oh yeah, that was the creepiest part of the movie.

Wilson (55:35):
Yeah, by far.

Captain (55:36):
That happens at this point, after Karen, like Karen,
gets free when he comes to andrealizes that what he's seeing
is not real.

Jay (55:42):
Yeah.

Captain (55:46):
But yeah, it's a guy.
I don't know what he says andhe's holding two stuffed animals
that are like gushing blood.

Wilson (55:50):
I think it was a stuffed animal that was ripped in half.
Yeah, oh.

Jay (55:56):
And he says something like I didn't mean they won't stop
bleeding, or something like thatyeah.

Captain (56:00):
Which is supposed to, yeah, be the killer of his
family.

Jay (56:05):
So I guess this is Satan working its magic.

Captain (56:08):
Steve does say in the movie that he keeps seeing
things.
He does.

Jay (56:12):
I don't think the characters around him ever
really respect that.
They never treat him like he'sa danger to them at any point in
time.
It's so strange she gotchloroformed and they're still
just like just give us a littlegun.
And they're still just likeokay, like, just give us a
little gun and we're all goodhere.

Captain (56:31):
Like, when steve comes to, he does realize that what
he's doing is scary and he likepan, he like is crying and he
hands the gun over to hisbrother because he's like I was
pointing this gun at you and Ididn't even realize it because I
was seeing something else.
But again, it doesn't last verylong because, like, like they
go, like they go to all theother go down in the basement

(56:52):
because matt was gonna free thisthing down there.

Wilson (56:54):
He's like I don't trust what's happening here and just
like, fuck it, I'm gonna free it, yeah, and steve's like nah and
stabs him in death.

Captain (57:01):
Yeah and I'm like well, why didn't you just realize
that what you're seeing is notreal?

Wilson (57:06):
Yeah, I don't know.
Two minutes earlier.

Jay (57:08):
Yeah, the last scene was you being like take this from me
, I'm not dangerous to everyonein myself.
Yeah.
And then it's like got to mucka fish, yeah.

Captain (57:19):
And then he's like he's basically dies right there.

Wilson (57:21):
And then it cuts to like Steve is upstairs staring at
something like kind of upset.
He's like I can't believe Ijust did that but like I had to.
And then you see like a blurreduh karen in the background and
basically like he's trying toexplain himself, but you see her
basically hold up a gun, likein the background and shoots him
.

Captain (57:39):
Yeah, I will say like I don't again.
Why?
Why is no one calling k?
Karen watches her husband diein front of her, no calling to
the police.

Wilson (57:48):
No one called the police , nothing.
And then she goes back down tothe basement.

Captain (57:52):
I wonder if it's because Steve does say
throughout, like multiple timesthroughout the movie, that he
that like, like, if you call him, they won't believe you.
And Karen, kind of, isbelieving the fact that there is
a devil back there.
So maybe that's why she's notcalling, I guess, but he also
just killed your husband.

Wilson (58:08):
Yeah, I'm giving him a lot of grace, devil aside there
was an actual murder right infront of you.
But what about the seed?
The seed is the problem, theseed yes, not.
Steve, so please come.
But Karen, oh, yeah, is thatone, but yeah, like she goes

(58:29):
back to the basement but she'slike on the floor.

Jay (58:31):
She's on the floor next to her husband.
She called, they call thepolice.
Comes back to the scene in thebeginning of the movie where the
police show up.
Yeah, so it circles back to thebeginning yeah, um, and the
police come downstairs and she'sback down there well, the
police first.

Captain (58:43):
They find steve brutally axed.

Wilson (58:45):
Oh, that's like more than a gunshot.
No, she like unloaded thebarrel.
Yeah, I don't yeah.

Captain (58:51):
The splatter to me looked like axing, Like she took
an ax and like plop plop.

Wilson (58:55):
I mean, maybe she shot him and then just axed him too.

Captain (58:59):
It was everywhere.

Jay (59:01):
But she didn't have any blood on her.
Well, yeah, I don where, butshe didn't have any blood on her
.

Wilson (59:10):
Well, yeah, I don't know how much blood's in the human
body, but it ain't that much.

Jay (59:12):
I mean I couldn't believe they cut to his body and I was
like that's a lake, that's alake of blood, like what
happened to this man, like noway yeah, and so they find that,
and then they go down to thebasement.

Wilson (59:27):
And then she shoots the cop.

Captain (59:28):
She shoots the first cop because he's about to open
the door.
Yes, and she's like no, no,devil's in there.

Wilson (59:33):
And then he, like I guess, shoots her even though I
missed that because she'ssuddenly dying.

Jay (59:38):
Suddenly they come at her and she's got a gunshot wound.

Captain (59:40):
I'm like wait what she's shot wound in her chest,
so I'm assuming that she gotshot back.

Wilson (59:44):
And she said nothing through all this.

Captain (59:45):
It's not in the film.

Jay (59:46):
She said nothing.
Did the cop even draw hisweapon?
How did she?

Captain (59:51):
get injured.
I don't know.
I think it was probably a scenethat got cut weird and they
were like oops and they can'tedit it.

Wilson (59:55):
Yeah, they're like the run time is too long.

Captain (59:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah we gotta cut some time on the 82
minutes.

Jay (01:00:00):
We've got an 8 o'clock dinner.

Captain (01:00:04):
So all she does is shake her head to not open the
door.
So the second cop comes down,yeah, and all she does is shake
her head.
No to that cop.
It's kind of funny, it's alittle comedic, it's hilarious.

Jay (01:00:12):
Also, is she the one that called the cops?
Maybe.

Wilson (01:00:15):
I don't know, we don't really know If she called the
cops.

Jay (01:00:17):
Why is she shooting them when they try to open the door?

Captain (01:00:20):
is because during the gunshots.
Our view as the audience isoutside the house and you hear
two pops and the light flashing.
So I think it's supposed to belike as the view of the neighbor
.
It'd be obvious that there wasgunshots and some neighbor would
call that in.
That's what I assume, becausethat's where the camera was.

Jay (01:00:43):
Why did the cop say she's a clever little thing?
What was that about?

Captain (01:00:46):
I don't know what that was.
Honestly, I have no idea.

Jay (01:00:48):
I honestly don't know what that was On their way to the
house.
They're talking to his partnerand he's like oh, she's a clever
little thing.

Captain (01:00:54):
The first line out of the cops was yeah, she's been a
clever little thing.
I do have some hot goss toshare later.
That might almost explain themotivation behind some of these
things.
Okay, but anyway.
The second cop.
He unlocks the door.

Wilson (01:01:11):
And we see little tap shoes or some.

Jay (01:01:18):
Yeah, it's a little girl, it's a little girl we don't see
her face, but she doesn'tacknowledge anyone in the room.
She just skips out of the house.

Wilson (01:01:23):
Oh yeah, doesn't kill that cop either.
Skips out of the house with ajust skips.
Oh yeah, Doesn't kill that cop,yeah, and then just like the
house with like a little sideBig yeah.

Captain (01:01:31):
Big side pony During the entire time.
Anybody that comes down thebasement the voice you hear is
that is that voice muffler thing.

Jay (01:01:39):
Sounds like Benedict Cumberbatch Very devil sounding.

Wilson (01:01:49):
And they're usually.
They're begging for their lifeand if the begging for their
life doesn't initially?

Jay (01:01:52):
work.
Then they start like doublelaughing, like malicious like I
almost got you.

Captain (01:01:54):
Yeah, so the all the like everybody that goes, like
the two cops they both heard thebegging for their life like if
they're not just like opening adoor, that's not saying anything
.
Yeah, so they're trying to dothe right thing, but, um, yeah,
a little like like I don't knowskips out of there, didn't like?

Jay (01:02:09):
that twist.
I feel like it'd be so muchmore interesting.
I was fully expecting.
Maybe it's too predictable, butlike the voice behind the door
would be like a normal soundinghuman being who's like hey, man,
I'm just trying to get out ofhere.

Captain (01:02:18):
I don't know.
These people are crazy, yeah,and they open the door.

Jay (01:02:20):
It's like a giant demon.
It's like, oh crap, yeah, butit was the opposite kind of like
a demonic voice and they openthe door and it's like a little
girl and just leaves.
It's like I mean I mean, it's asimilar dynamics, the same, you
know it's the same thing.
It's like, oh, you got me,you're actually the devil.
But because they do a reallygood slow, like the scene where

(01:02:40):
he sees, uh, illusion of theperson that killed his family is
probably my favorite scene.
That's really scary actually.

Captain (01:02:47):
Is that your razor glass?

Jay (01:02:49):
I didn't say that, I just said it's a really scary scene.
And the second scary scene iswhen the door slowly opens.
They've been filming this damndoor.
Half this movie is just lookingat this door.
40 minutes of the movie, Ipromise you, 40 minutes of the
movie is just looking at thedoor.

Wilson (01:03:02):
So finally, it slowly opens that was also a good scene
.
Yeah, that was good, like yeah,yeah, pitch blackness, yeah,
yeah, and then all you see islike pitch black ballet shoes,
step out of the darkness.

Captain (01:03:14):
So it's, that is a good scene, yeah is it worth 60
minutes?
60 minutes 80 minutes you saidyou had some the goose.

Wilson (01:03:27):
Yeah, so like the the normal, our normal sources for
hot goose were not not goodsources?

Captain (01:03:33):
Oh wait, should we talk about numbs?
Okay, you can hot goose first.

Wilson (01:03:36):
So I did see I was looking up.
I was looking up like Redditdiscussions of this movie
because I wanted to read a likea movie discussion okay however,
I did find a thread and joshlobo was replying to some of the
oh, the clown himself yeah sothe the post was um, somebody

(01:03:57):
basically just thought they wenta little overboard with the
atmospheric stuff, whatever.
So he comments like it wasconceived as more of a tone poem
than anything.
I don't know what that meansgirl um, but he basically he
never considered it as astraight horror film to begin
with all right, um, okay, sosome other things.

(01:04:17):
So, um, what did I see here?
So, like somebody mentionedwhat you said earlier, like it
was a twilight zone episode.
Um, josh Lobo does say it'slike he's sure it's not for
everyone, but he does say thereare a lot of answers to your
questions, like, I guess, in theenvironment.
So you have to like what,basically saying like, maybe on

(01:04:39):
a second viewing, more of itwould make sense.
If you're like paying attentionto everything, more of it would
make sense.
If you're like paying attentionto everything.
Um, you know, some other peopleare, some other people are
saying like they didn't like it.
And he's like you know, even ifyou didn't love it, I
appreciate you taking a chanceon an indie film, which I
appreciate, that I like thatattitude.
Um that I know everyone won'tlove it.

Jay (01:05:00):
No.

Wilson (01:05:01):
I just like it attitude.
You make up for the turd, butat least you're not getting
upset about it.
Thank you for trying an indiefilm.

Jay (01:05:10):
I think it's a bad look if you're in comments on Reddit
being like you just don'tunderstand my art.
That's a horrible look.
He's taking all these in stride.
That's a great.

Wilson (01:05:19):
Somebody pointed out how they wanted to know how he
trapped the devil and thecharacters were like that's not
important right now.
So his response to that, hisresponse to that is the issue is
once I tell you how theaudience gets so fixated on
breaking that apart, they loseinterest in other things.

(01:05:40):
So he said the film is moreabout Steve and not the devil.

Captain (01:05:46):
I mean, I get that, steve is a lot.

Wilson (01:05:50):
I still have a lot of questions, but I see what he's
like going or like yeah, yeah.

Jay (01:05:58):
I think they said that Steve is or not Steve, that this
movie was shot in eight days,yeah that explains so much so
I'm like what in the world sowell, I don't want to no you can
go well, I was going to say asfar as the only hint to how he
caught the devil is in the verybeginning oh, I'm so mad that we
don't really get that.

(01:06:18):
Yeah, it's absurd that someonewould sit there and accept from
Steve.
It's not important how I caughtthe devil.
That's literally the only way Ihave to validate whether or not
it's the devil.

Wilson (01:06:29):
Like did you just trap a little girl, right?
Or does the devil lookdifferent to him, right?

Captain (01:06:35):
This is how it went.
Line one from Karen how did youtrap the devil?
Line two from Steve it's notimportant and I said girl, I'm
sorry, the hell, it's notimportant and I said girl the
hell it is yeah what?

Jay (01:06:46):
how much did the devil cost michael?
Um, no.
So the only hint we get is, inthe very beginning, very easy to
miss what's the what's thewoman's character named mary,
suzy, karen, karen, how can Iforget?
The brother goes in.
He's talking to steve from thejump.
Steve was crazy.

(01:07:06):
But karen's outside and she'sabout to light up a cigarette
and she looks down the ground.
There's shell casings on theground and she's like what in
the world is shell casing?
And so the only hint we get isthat some time recently there
was gunfire on this property andso I'm assuming he shot at the
devil and wounded it, but it'snot wounded when it comes out,
maybe that's the only kind ofhint we get and it's, I guess,

(01:07:27):
supposed to be disconcerting tothe audience that something is
amiss.
Um, it's america, there'sshells casings everywhere, but,
um, but no, but, um, I, I justit's so hard to immerse yourself
in it.
It's like you're you as theaudience, are asking these
questions.
They're blaring in your mindlike wait, you, wait.
You're saying you have thedevil.
Okay, well, how did they get inthere?

(01:07:48):
How long have they been inthere?

Wilson (01:07:50):
What do they sound like?
How do you know it's?

Jay (01:07:51):
the devil.

Captain (01:07:52):
None of that is ever even answered or discussed.
Steve's not reliable, so youdon't.
At least you didn't getsomething, but he's not like
forced to give an answer.

Jay (01:08:00):
So then you can compare his answer to the experience of the
other protagonists who are inthe house and be like okay, what
lines up, what doesn't line up,what can be real?

Captain (01:08:08):
We never get that it's just like.

Jay (01:08:12):
I have the devil.
It's like how do you know whatif I did have the devil?

Wilson (01:08:16):
I appreciate he acknowledged the question.
We addressed it, but I need theanswer.

Captain (01:08:22):
You need to give me an answer.

Jay (01:08:25):
You can't just say I know there's a question, it's just.
From that point on it's like Idon't know.
And then I thought, well, maybethey'll answer later.

Wilson (01:08:30):
They never did and it's like, well, it's kind of hard to
just I did kind of wonder, like, maybe, like is the little girl
actually somehow his daughterand his daughter?

Captain (01:08:38):
was the devil.

Jay (01:08:46):
Like that would be a reasonable way that he trapped
the devil.
I don't know, maybe Like shecaused the crash.
I also feel like it's like Ifeel like the whole point of
this setup is to pose thequestion of whether or not it's
real and play off that therewould need to be more
Immediately.
Immediately the main charactersgo down there and they're like
ooh feels devil-y down here.

Captain (01:09:02):
It's like okay.

Jay (01:09:02):
Well then, I guess it's really the devil.

Captain (01:09:11):
Like, ooh, feels devil-y down here.
It's like, okay, well then, Iguess it's really the devil,
like I don't know what else.
Five more minutes in of movietime.

Wilson (01:09:12):
Let's say we go from 82 to 87 I feel like I this, the
rating of this movie could go updramatically.
We rarely say this, but this isone of those movies where it
needs to be longer.

Captain (01:09:18):
Like I want more, I need more I just need a little
bit more background into howthis happened, a little bit more
back background into exactlywhat happened to Steve's family
and I think that would be Giveme 15 minutes more.
Not even.
I think they could do it inless than 10.

Wilson (01:09:35):
No, I'm going to be like I will give you 15.

Captain (01:09:37):
You can have it here.

Wilson (01:09:39):
It is Like yeah, I need you to answer the how, and then,
just like I need you to answerthe how, and then just like I
need more of these questionsanswered, slightly more history,
and that's it, and I feel likethat could give me a raise, a
little more.
Give me five minutes of thewife and the child are ever
dying.

Jay (01:09:57):
And then how he trapped but there's other things that never
really get answered and I thinkI guess that's what Josh Lobo
was just talking about.
The leaves are there becausethroughout the movie they play
with a tv that turns on and it'sstatic, but the person looks
into it and they see like theselittle visions of things in the
tv.
Um, it means nothing to me,it's never addressed, no one

(01:10:19):
ever mentions it.

Captain (01:10:19):
Yeah, I have no idea yeah, we see a woman dancing
around that I think is the sameone in the static and I guess
that's his wife I think so whereshe's like, screaming, like why
can't I see I?

Jay (01:10:28):
think at one time he sees a man and I guess that's the
person killed his wife orsomething I don't know, it
looked steve, uh, steve nevermentions that.
Hey, I'm anyone seeing this onthe tv.
Never mentions that?
He does.

Captain (01:10:39):
He does ask them what do you see or what are you
hearing?
Because he't know.
He knows that he's seeingthings that are not there, or
hearing things that are notthere.

Jay (01:10:47):
I thought they were going to do something with the phone,
because the phone keeps ringing,yeah, but you never see the
other two characters.
I think it's ringing right now,thank you.
You never see the other twocharacters react to it and I'm
like, oh, maybe he's onlyhearing the ringing and that
it's all in his head like alittle evens, like no, they
heard the ringing, I am I.
And he also doesn't say what ison the phone, doesn't he ask

(01:11:08):
him what's up with the phone?
He doesn't say anything it'slike nope hello, what's up with
the phone?
did you hear me it?
Just, it's so strange the waysteve is off the hook for
answering anything about hiswhat he's experiencing.

Captain (01:11:21):
I do see that the original title is a man in the
dark, which is giving more lightto it's.
More about Steve and not aboutthe devil.

Wilson (01:11:27):
Yes, and I do see actually we missed this person
in the cast, but the guy fromthis is us, if you ever watched
that it sounds like he voicedthe devil.
Oh the man is is Chris Sullivan.

Captain (01:11:40):
Oh, I thought the man was the was the guy that was
holding the ripped in partstuffed animal.

Wilson (01:11:45):
Oh, you know what, maybe that is Was that.

Captain (01:11:47):
Oh, maybe that was him with long hair.
I think it's that guy.

Wilson (01:11:49):
Yeah, you're right, you're right.

Captain (01:11:52):
Okay, fan.

Jay (01:11:54):
Also like I guess they had like a couple bags of blood,
because there's a scene where,like, blood comes out of his
hands.

Captain (01:12:08):
Oh, that's kind of I mean I mean it's fine, I mean I
just love.
So now it's just like I have somany questions.
So the twilight zone episode iscalled the howling man.
I actually have I do remember Ihave seen this like I'm looking
at pictures of it, I'm likeI've watched this episode 100
and it was, I remember, likingit.
I mean I I won't.

Jay (01:12:19):
I mean the twilight zone, I don't expect him to be the
twilight zone, but but there'sjust so many questions that you
have as an audience that I don'tfeel like there's enough of an
answer.
There are little hints, butthey aren't substantial enough I
think to really warrant.
I just don't feel like, as anaudience, you would be rewarded
for going down a rabbit hole.
If I rewatch this movie and I'mlike all right, let me freeze

(01:12:43):
frame the static TV.

Wilson (01:12:52):
There movie and I'm like , all right, let me freeze frame
the static tv like there's justnothing here.
Um, did you have anything else?
No, that's all I have.

Jay (01:12:55):
So you want to rag it.
Oh, raise a glass, yeah, um, soyou might be surprised, but my
all-time favorite about thismovie is not the scariest part.
Um, I believe it's a little bitafter.
Karen is chloroformed andchained in the basement and she
cuts herself loose, escapesPretty calm after that.
Steve points a gun at Karen andMatt.

(01:13:19):
They talk Steve down fromkilling them.
They get the gun and thefavorite part is Matt's like I'm
going to free this guy from thebasement and Karen's face is
just a little like awkwardlittle smile.

Wilson (01:13:32):
Oh, she has the strangest facial expression For
a minute I thought she was thedevil.

Jay (01:13:37):
After that, yes, I was literally like, oh, she's not
human.

Captain (01:13:41):
That would have blown me away because there's a scene
where steve is asking him.
He was like what, did anybodyfollow you here?
And that's like the fuck.
And then steve's like well, Idon't know, man, we're on the
precipice of this and I've hadthis double down here and people
are calling me now andsomeone's coming for it, and now
you two randomly show up and Iwas like, bro, if karen's not on

(01:14:01):
it, shots fired they.

Jay (01:14:03):
They do leave those little hints, because Karen's the one
that asked to go thereunexpectedly and not tell Steve.
She's the one that made him dothat and I was like, oh okay.

Captain (01:14:14):
I would love if Karen, like swanky you know, she ends
up opening the door and she'slike I've done it, papa.
And then, like you know, what Imean.

Wilson (01:14:23):
That would be fun.
That's what I was hoping for.

Captain (01:14:25):
Yeah, it would have been a good twist, right?

Jay (01:14:27):
that almost seemed like that's where they're going, but
didn't.
Super weird.
But like, yeah, that was myfavorite part is like her
completely alien reaction ofjust being like like she's like
someone trying to get by you toget to the bathroom in a
restaurant.
Yeah, like hey, how's it going,I'm trying to get.
It's like this man literallyjust tried to kill you.
Like why are you making thatface like you're not reacting to

(01:14:47):
anything?
That's happening at all?
No tears, no anger, no nothing.
It was super weird what's it?

Wilson (01:14:54):
do you have a razor glass?

Captain (01:14:55):
I don't.
I didn't write one downspecifically, but I do think.
Out of all of the scenes, I dothink that the scene that I
liked the most was the partwhere the door opens and it's a
slow creek yeah, and then it'spitch blackness in there, like
that, that build up.
I was like I was.
I was clenching like waitingfor a jump scare, so, um, I
guess that was my favorite part.

Jay (01:15:15):
Perfect opportunity for a jump scare.
I thought they were gonna do itoh yeah, I mean, I guess it's
like low-hanging fruit, but likeI was ready for it, I was like
after 80 minutes.

Wilson (01:15:22):
I was like show me the most demented crazy shit I've
ever seen um, that was fine,yeah did you um, I guess no
scenes like really jumped out.
However, I would say I thinkthe actors did a really good job
, like besides the weird, likesmile by karen no well, what
they were given like I thoughtthe actors were pretty good and

(01:15:44):
I thought the shots like thefilming looked pretty good oh
yeah, the cinematography, yeah.
So I'll just say that.

Captain (01:15:51):
The acting and the cinematography.
I always give some shit answerslike that.
What?
That's a compliment.

Jay (01:15:56):
It didn't look like an amateur filmed it.
It did not.
I just didn't feel like theyhad enough time.
I mean, you said it was filmedin eight days.
That makes that explains somuch, Because it felt like there
was so much left on the tableand it's like, why aren't they
explaining anything?
It's like, oh, they just didn'thave time.

Captain (01:16:10):
The one other thing I did want to mention okay because
it's done so poorly in thismovie is the red line, the red
string connecting pictures.
Usually it like somewhat lookslike there's a picture and then
there's a red string and it'sconnecting to something else.
No, steve's room is like.
The wallpaper itself is random,missing flat person flyers,

(01:16:32):
like top to bottom, includingthe ceiling, and then after that
wallpaper has dried, then he'sput just uh, I mean a shit storm
like a tsunami came throughthere and threw a bunch of red
string everywhere.
Um, that's not what that'ssupposed to be.
So see, connecting them, likeyou know, in a way that makes
sense.
And I looked up I was in themiddle of the movie.

(01:16:52):
I asked like where did thistrope start, like this comes up
so many times in the movie, andapparently that it originally
comes from the chinese redstring theory, like from it's
like a cultural thing or about,like there's supposed to be red
string that connect, connectspieces of your life, that all
kind of like okay wind togetherand make sure yeah but, um, the

(01:17:13):
first time that was put onscreen is from like a british,
uh like spy tv show, the tinkertaylor, soldier shoulder, oh god
tinker to the soldier spy

Jay (01:17:23):
you've heard of that there's a movie with gary oldman
.
That was really good.

Captain (01:17:26):
Oh yeah, yeah yeah, but this is the show from the 70s
um, and there's a scene thatfeatures characters using red
lines to connect photos on acalendar signifying like
connections and now it's like awhole thing yeah, and that was
1979 is when I was gonna sayfirst put on the screen from
always sunny no, no, apparentlythis started like what was that

(01:17:47):
35 years ago, or something youknow?

Wilson (01:17:50):
based on what I've been seeing on reddit, like I
wouldn't be surprised if joshlobo listens to this episode and
you're gonna be enemy numberone, like me.

Captain (01:17:59):
Well, hold on, let's hear your rating, because enemy
number one might change okay,well, I will say you get you not
happy I will say first thecritics score is 71 around
tomatoes that's true.

Wilson (01:18:12):
The audience is 44 critics is very high I'm gonna
give this a like a 63 oh, that'snice.

Captain (01:18:21):
Yeah, I was like.

Wilson (01:18:22):
So yes, while this film I think has problems or I want
more, I was still like the.
The story is fun, the actingwas good.
I was like a little impressed.
What you?

Captain (01:18:35):
were expecting.

Wilson (01:18:35):
You thought it was gonna be way less I think so like I
think there's a lot of reallygood potential in this movie.
I wanted more and that's whyit's getting a 63 honestly, I
feel like that knocks it down.

Captain (01:18:48):
A couple numbers, because I'm like you had it, it
was right there.

Wilson (01:18:51):
I mean maybe the budget, I don't know like uh, I don't
know, this is not.

Captain (01:18:57):
It's not on the positive side for me it's, but
it has all.
It has pieces, but I think it'sstill like 47 because I'm like
I want you to put it togetheryou're still enemy number one
yeah, apparently I want you toput it together what do you got?

Wilson (01:19:13):
what do you got percentage wise?

Jay (01:19:15):
um yeah, I mean I think we all agree we want a little more,
but it sounds like that was anartistic choice to, like, really
be as minimalist as possible.
I mean it has to be a choicewhen, like, you're literally
asking like point blank, pointblank, why is this happening?

Captain (01:19:28):
Yeah.

Jay (01:19:29):
The character's like doesn't even like acknowledge
that he was asking.
He's like I'm just going to eatmy cereal.
It's like okay.
So I mean again, I would want adifferent type of movie.
I was kind of expecting adifferent type of movie.
I agree with wilson wilson, Iagree with wilson that um that

(01:19:51):
you know the execution is notbad I, I.

Captain (01:19:54):
What's your rating?
This is not gonna change yourlife.

Jay (01:20:02):
Put a number on it.
I was gonna give it a numberbut then he was like joshua
might actually listen to thisand I'm like I don't want to be
mad.
Fuck that man, you don't knowhim.
Josh Lobo.
Well, I mean, honestly, I'lljust do 50.
Like straight in the middle,out of 100.
I just it was.
I wanted so much more but theending was kind of it paid off a

(01:20:25):
little bit of the investment.
Yeah, it was fine and it's nota super long movie.
So it's not like you're likeit's not Citizen.

Wilson (01:20:31):
Kane.
It's not a huge investment.
It's not a huge investment If Idropped three hours on this
movie and it gave me what itgave me.

Captain (01:20:37):
I'd be pissed Three hours.

Jay (01:20:40):
This is basically like an episode of a tv show.

Captain (01:20:42):
I'd rather shit my bed and sleep in it.
That is crazy, could you?

Wilson (01:20:46):
imagine three hours and then just like, longing, like,
just like a lot of stairs.

Jay (01:20:50):
I don't think that's like a lowes movie, where it's like
they're just filming a door foran hour and a half one of us
starts watching the movie andwe're like um wilson you want to
switch it this week?
we're suddenly gonna switch 100,yeah yeah, if it was half way
through, the text goes out likeum, so I'm halfway through and
I've just been looking at door.
But no, I I see that there wasthere's intentionality here.

(01:21:14):
I didn't appreciate it.
But that's not not to say likewho knows.
I'm sure film it's got a 71percent from critics.

Captain (01:21:20):
I'm sure they know if you don't put that big dick
energy down.

Jay (01:21:24):
You said it was 50 I know, but you're so nice I'm just
saying I don't like I what I'mlooking for in a movie.

Captain (01:21:32):
Not everyone's looking for in a movie all the time yeah
, that's nice I'm looking forjust like, very like
straightforward I want you togive me what I'm looking for.
That's it all right.

Wilson (01:21:41):
Well, I don't know what.
Yeah, okay, I'm getting cranky.
Someone needs a pizza baby.

Captain (01:21:48):
This is the final episode of the season it is
season 7, do we tell?
People what we're doing in likemonths from now.

Wilson (01:21:54):
Do we want to do that?

Captain (01:21:55):
I mean, I guess we're good.
I think we mentioned it alreadyon another episode.
So, next season, the premiereIs going to be stop motion 2023.

Wilson (01:22:07):
Yes, it is, next year is 2025 I'll be here all night.
So good, no, can you put like a?

Captain (01:22:17):
boo track like not a laugh track.

Wilson (01:22:20):
Yeah, okay, you want like a real one, yeah.

Jay (01:22:22):
I hear there might be a sponsor for Nixism.

Captain (01:22:25):
Oh, maybe, oh might get a little commercial in there
All right.

Wilson (01:22:30):
What's your oh?

Captain (01:22:32):
What it's you.

Wilson (01:22:34):
Oh, I have to give advice, yeah.

Jay (01:22:35):
I need advice.
What's the advice I?

Wilson (01:22:37):
need advice.
Oh, you know what, you knowwhat.
Don't show up at your family'shouse.
Oh, that's so good.
They could have avoided all ofthis.

Captain (01:22:47):
They didn't need to be there.
Bye and send a Christmas card.

Jay (01:22:49):
That's good, most people don't need that advice Like
that's like straight serialkiller Someone's house.
Be like we're here.
Well, stop what you're doing.
What are you weird or something?

Wilson (01:23:02):
So send a Christmas card .
Yeah, that's great you.

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