Pay the Ghost

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Happy Halloween! For this year's Halloween special, Captain and Wilson dive into the 2015 horror/mystery "Pay the Ghost" starring Nicolas Cage and Sarah Wayne Callies.

The film discussion begins around 22:22.

Episode Transcript

Captain (00:14):
How's it going?

Wilson (00:15):
Pretty good.
Got some Thai food for dinner.

Captain (00:19):
Thai.

Wilson (00:20):
Thai?

Captain (00:21):
I had a burrito.

Wilson (00:23):
Oh, from like a Chipotle burrito?

Captain (00:26):
No, from a local um like they make the best burritos
in the city, not gonna lie.

Wilson (00:32):
Do they have shrimp burritos?

Captain (00:34):
Hmm.
I don't think so.
But they do like other okay,there is a different place that
does shrimp burritos that Ilove.

Wilson (00:44):
Okay.

Captain (00:44):
Um, but they're like you're gonna make me sound I'm
gonna sound like an idiot.
I don't know.
But like I don't know.
It's like Mexican food, but Ithink it was like originally a
shop they had in California, butthey like wanted to m be back
home in Baltimore or something.
I I don't know.
I can't remember that.
Anyway, it's like it has atwist sometimes.

Wilson (01:09):
Oh, like you mean if they have like, oh, this week we
have cod?
Or like, or what do you mean?

Captain (01:14):
What do you I don't know?
Like what I whatever sysic is,like, that's the type of burrito
I get.

Wilson (01:21):
I don't know what that means.

Captain (01:23):
Yeah, I don't know what it means either, but I know
it's tasty.

Wilson (01:25):
It sounds like you tried to like say Sissy SpaceX name
like really, really fast.

Captain (01:32):
Um it's a Filipino type.

Wilson (01:36):
Sisic?
How do you spell that?

Captain (01:38):
S-I-Wait, no, I'm confused.
Because I thought it wasS-I-S-I-Q, but maybe it's it's
G, and I'm just stupid.
Yeah, I think it's yeah, I justdidn't read carefully.

Wilson (01:52):
S Sisig?

Captain (01:55):
Yeah, but when I hear them say it, it's it sounds like
more like a Q or like a K.

Wilson (02:01):
I tried to Google it and it came up with did you mean
sizing?

Captain (02:06):
Close up.
I see it.
I see it.
Okay.
I didn't I don't know.
It's just it's good, but that'snot the point.
Um your face.

Wilson (02:16):
I looked at I I just I looked at the description of
what type of meat it is, and Iwas like But that's not that's
not how I get it.
But Oh, okay.

Captain (02:25):
You get like maybe how it's how it would normally be
prepared, but it's just like adifferent Yeah, they offer they
offer this preparation and thenyou can choose whatever meat you
want in there.

Wilson (02:34):
Okay, because like pork jowls doesn't sound like
something that you're eating, soI've had it with tofu before.

Captain (02:45):
Tofu is also good.

Wilson (02:47):
Okay.
Yeah.
Um I'm kind of mixed aboutwell, okay, I don't really like
tofu, but it has to be likereally thin and crispy, and then
I'll be like, okay.
Sure.

Captain (02:56):
It does, if you do it right, it'll soak up like any
flavor you put it in, but youreally gotta like get it in
there.

Wilson (03:03):
Yeah, but it feels like it always has that like very
mushy like consistency.

Captain (03:10):
That's fair.
I I do like it crispy too.
Um, okay.
That's so not the point,Wilson.
Okay.
Um we are we I know we justtalked about it off air.
Um, but we're we're bothmembers of the uh uh 17 club.
And it's exciting.

Wilson (03:33):
It is exciting.

Captain (03:34):
Um I do uh I know I say probably say this every time I
get a new phone, but um iPhonemakes it so fucking easy to
transfer your shit where they'relike, yeah, just move your
phones like close-ish and andand we'll do it.

Wilson (03:47):
And I'm oh my god, I could not and then it just like
finishes downloading stuff inthe background.

Captain (03:52):
Dude, I could not be more like talk about stress like
free process.
I I could not be more of a fanfor that.
Like I would die if I had tolike manually figure out how to
transfer everything.

Wilson (04:09):
Could you imagine if you had to go in and like manually
download every app and likeremember which ones you had?
Okay, but uh I do think thatthe only annoying thing is I
have to sign back into everysingle app.
And it's really annoying.

Captain (04:24):
I had to sign back into every app, but it still kept
like my face.
Or like I redid my face realfast, and then it was like,
okay, we'll just face ID youinto everything.
I mean, I still had to do that,but yeah.
It was fine.
I'm like, where's my facegoing?
Nowhere.
So I'll just so we'll just putit here.
Um you know, weird, I didn'tthink about it, but I just

(04:48):
because I thought about it rightnow and I watched a TikTok
about um the celebrity likeuncanny valley with all the
plastic surgery that'shappening, but they would have
to like literally change theirface ID on their phone.

Wilson (05:00):
Yeah, they probably have to update it.

Captain (05:01):
Oh my god.

Wilson (05:03):
I don't know.
I would yeah, I wonder howsensitive it is.

Captain (05:06):
Wilson, some of those people look nothing like how
they like I saw someone postedDemi Lovato today, and I was
like, what?
She looks so different.

Wilson (05:17):
I haven't seen her in a while.

Captain (05:18):
Oh my god.

Wilson (05:20):
I say that like I like run into her on the street, but
um Demi.
Demi.

Captain (05:25):
Um I just was like sh I just was not prepared.
And like you look atpre-surgery, post-surgery, and I
was like, oh my god.
Um but yeah, like a lot of themdo that, do stuff, but like
there are some that look sodifferent that yeah, it would
just be annoying.
Um anyway, I did you oh yeah,you put something in here.

(05:48):
Did you see the things I put inhere?
Or do you didn't know?

Wilson (05:51):
I did see the things.
I don't know what the secondone is.
I have no idea what that is.

Captain (05:54):
Okay, okay, so I wanna the first thing I want to talk
about was Space Balls 2.
Have you heard that this iscoming?

Wilson (06:01):
It sounds familiar.
When when's it supposed to comeout?
And it's it's official.

Captain (06:06):
Yeah, 2027, yeah.
So I saw this from a clip uh ofJosh Gadd was in an interview,
and he said that he was showinghis daughter um some like old
movies that he loved when he wasyounger, and Space Balls came
up, and apparent and I you knowI haven't seen Space Balls in uh
God knows, I don't even know,15 years or something.

Wilson (06:26):
Sure.

Captain (06:27):
But um he said that in the movie there's a scene where
they make a joke about SpaceBalls 2 coming, or like, you
know, we'll resolve this inSpace Balls 2.
Or and the daughter asked,like, okay, can we watch Space
Balls 2 next?
There is no Space Balls 2.
Um, and so like I think JoshGad like got involved in like
trying to make it happen becauseof that.

(06:48):
So he's like one of the maincast members, but um yeah, it's
like really happening.

Wilson (06:53):
I was just looking at the cast and like they got
everyone that they could back,it seems like.

Captain (06:58):
I don't I I don't remember much of the movie um
besides like the Job of the Huttscene.

Wilson (07:07):
Okay.

Captain (07:08):
And I mean that it's just kind of like a ridiculous
satire, but um I woulddefinitely have to rewatch it.

Wilson (07:16):
I saw um so um Bill Pullman's who was played like
the Han Solo type character, hisson's gonna be in this movie,
it looks like.

Captain (07:28):
Oh my gosh! No.
I mean, I see Lewis I Lewis, Idon't know who that like I don't
know.

Wilson (07:34):
I uh like I said I think you've seen him in I mean he
he's been in Did you watch um Ithink that was him.
Did you watch uh ThunThunderbolts?

Captain (07:44):
Yeah.
He looks familiar.

Wilson (07:47):
And he was in Top Gun or the new one, yeah.

Captain (07:50):
Yeah, yeah, the new one.
Yeah, something about his facedoes look yeah.

Wilson (07:55):
Um and then I we haven't finished Barry, but like the
the bald guy from that lookslike he'll be in it too.

Captain (08:02):
Oh yeah.
I used to watch Barry.
I forgot about that show.

Wilson (08:07):
I think looking at this cast, who I'm most excited for,
um, Rick Moranis, he hasn't helike quit acting like I don't
know, decades ago because hiswife got sick.
Yeah, so I feel like this isthis might be like his first
return to acting.

Captain (08:24):
Wow.

Wilson (08:25):
I'm not sure.
I'd have to I mean actually itlooks like he was maybe in
something else, but yeah, Idon't know, that's impressive.
I'm excited.

Captain (08:33):
Yeah, and I love my girl Kiki, dude.
Uh anything that she's in, I'dwatch.

Wilson (08:38):
So she is good.

Captain (08:40):
I love Kiki Palmer.
I I know you you don't reallywatch Hot Ones, do you?

Wilson (08:44):
Do you I watch some sometimes.

Captain (08:46):
You know like the gosp between like her and Sean Evans
that they like uh Good Chemistryor something?
Yeah, but they like openly,like he openly said like he had
a crush on her, and then likethey've been like making
comments back and forth, but shewas on for like a third time
and in the you know how they dolike these after credit scene,

(09:07):
like as the credits roll?
But they she says to him, like,you know, should we just go for
it?
And they kiss at the very end,and people were like freaking.
I mean, that it has like agazillion views that so um I
don't know.
It's just I I also like livefor that too, but is she really

(09:27):
is she not like do you thinkthat was completely a bit?
Do you think like I don't know,they're both like I think
they're both actually finallylike single at the same time, so
I don't know.
But um yeah, no, I I alwayssupport her.
Um okay, and then the otherthing I wanted to mention, I

(09:48):
think this is gonna piss youoff.
Okay, but there's another moviecoming soon.
No, um, it's a movie called 100years, basically, which is an
upcoming experimental sci-fifilm that's starring John
Malkovic, and the whole likegimmick of the show is that it's
supposed to premiere in 2015.

(10:10):
That was like it was made in 202015, and it's like a hundred
years is when it will bereleased, like a century from
when it was made, and it'sliterally locked in a safe.
Um, and the promo or like thelittle subtitle is the movie
you'll never see.

Wilson (10:29):
I feel like I heard about this recently and I was
like, okay.
I don't really want to knowthen.

Captain (10:35):
They don't have any again, the Wikipedia doesn't
have like a plot really.
Like, I I don't know who knowswhat the movie's about, but um I
just think I don't know.
Something about that was justwas like I have to talk to
Wilson about this.

Wilson (10:47):
It's a it's a cool concept, but it's like unless
they made a movie a hundredyears ago and put it in a vault
and I can see it now or like ina couple years, I don't want to
know about it.

Captain (10:58):
Or like Oh, I guess.
I mean I mean, we're not gonnasee it.
They are correct.

Wilson (11:04):
I mean Yeah, like yeah, please keep advertising this
movie that I'm never gonna see.

Captain (11:12):
Yeah, I mean, I'm trying to think if someone was
born right now there's some amild possibility.

Wilson (11:20):
Yeah, I mean, they could live to 90.

Captain (11:22):
Yeah.

Wilson (11:23):
Yeah.
So like somebody alive now willsee this.

Captain (11:29):
Uh could see this.

Wilson (11:31):
Could yeah, I guess could.
It's I think it's it was a goodpossibility somebody alive now
could see it.

Captain (11:38):
Yeah, but I I yeah, I don't know.
Why even like sometimes artsypeople are like too artsy?
I'm like, let's let's let'stake a beat, you know?

Wilson (11:46):
Yeah.
Wait, so they filmed it tenyears ago.

Captain (11:50):
Yeah.

Wilson (11:51):
But we're hearing about it now.

Captain (11:53):
Well, I mean, I just I saw something about it.
Um but yeah, I don't know.
It it I'm confused because itsays like it could take it says
it takes a hundred years tocreate and locked in the safe,
but I think it's already lockedin the safe.
I'm not really sure I meanthat's the Wikipedia.

Wilson (12:11):
So Do they think it's gonna age like like fine wine?
Like let's just it needs to agein the safe.
I mean, I'm all for keeping itin there for a hundred years,
but like what?
It's not gonna take a hundredyears to finish.

Captain (12:24):
Yeah, I don't know.
And it's also like film'sprobably gonna look so different
in a hundred years.
Like it's just gonna be likelasered into our eyeballs, like
it's not gonna be something thatyou'd like to do.

Wilson (12:37):
I have to watch this analog.

Captain (12:39):
Yeah, exactly.
It's gonna be like faxingsomething, basically.
Um but anyway, I just thoughtthat was fun.
Okay, Halloween discussion.

Wilson (12:50):
Halloween.

Captain (12:51):
Oh, I did have one other thing, but you can you do
use- Yeah, no, go for it.
Well, do you have a Halloweencostume picked out?

Wilson (12:58):
Um, I think I'm gonna reuse my one from last year
because it's like Yeah, I don'tWhat was the one last year
again?
Um I dressed up as um uh sorry,Alec Baldwin's character in
Beetlejuice.

Captain (13:16):
Oh, okay, okay.

Wilson (13:17):
And then I had like um a sling bag, but the bag was the
book of the dead or whateverthey called that book.

Captain (13:23):
Yeah, yeah, I know what you're talking about.
I was thinking about gettingBeetlejuice snails because I've
seen that advertised to me abunch.
Oh, that'd be cool.
I know.
I'm kind of like, I want to getit.
And they like I'm hoping theshop that I go to has it, but
like sometimes it's glow in thedark green.
Um, but yeah, I haven't likefinalized the idea in my head.
Um but okay, I came up withthis yesterday.

(13:44):
So stupid.
Um, but it's cute.
Okay, but I as a as a familyunit, we're gonna be a campfire
because our dog is solog-shaped.
Like we call her, we call her alog all the time, and she's the
perfect color of like a woodenlog for the campfire.

(14:05):
And then I bought like thisHeridius, uh Heridius,
horrendous um, Guy Fieri likefire shirt.

Wilson (14:13):
Okay.

Captain (14:14):
And then I've I bought this like gray twirly dress that
I was gonna be like the smokeor something.

Wilson (14:21):
Ooh, okay.
So that'll be cool.

Captain (14:23):
Yeah, as a unit, we're gonna be like a campfire.

Wilson (14:27):
That'll be really cool.
I'm gonna see a picturewhenever it's like.
I'm excited.

Captain (14:30):
Yeah, and I Are you wearing it to like a party or
yeah, well, some friends wantedto like go out, so we might just
like bar hop in the in thetang, as you know.

Wilson (14:39):
Nice, okay.

Captain (14:41):
Um but yeah, I don't know.
I mean, I will see if someone'sdoing something more than that.
But um, yeah, that's I'm likekind of proud of my idea.
Okay.
In my head, it's like perfectpicks.
Yeah.
Um, but we'll see.

Wilson (14:58):
Okay.

Captain (14:58):
But yeah.
I do have a work Halloweenparty to go to, but it's not
like you know, significantothers are invited.
It's just like some small thingin the break area.

Wilson (15:12):
Yeah.
But so I guess if you went byyourself and you're part of the
costume, you'd just be like, I'ma cloud of smoke.

Captain (15:18):
I don't think that would I don't think you'd be
able to get that from me bymyself.
I did buy some props that Ihope will work.
You'll see it.
But I'm excited.

Wilson (15:29):
Yeah.

Captain (15:30):
You haven't done like a couples you've done a couple
couples costume, right?

Wilson (15:34):
Um, well, I guess last okay, so we had two costumes
last year.
Um we did I think it's the onlytime we did like a joint
costume.
So I was SpongeBob from theBubble Bowl, and uh uh Finn was
um I guess sexy Patrick, likethe one the Spongebob movie

(15:58):
where he has the fishnets.
I think yeah.

Captain (16:01):
I I know exactly what you're talking about, yeah.
That's fun.

Wilson (16:04):
Yeah.

Captain (16:05):
Was he actually in like stiletto like boots?

Wilson (16:09):
No, no.
He has had uh sneakers and thenlike um pink tights and then
fishnets on top of it.
Oh, okay.

Captain (16:17):
Yeah, okay, because I was about to say that's a work.

Wilson (16:21):
That's commitment.

Captain (16:22):
Yeah, that is a work.
I mean, I've seen some peoplein drag do it, but oh, that
would be fun.
Um anyway, okay.
Hit me with your last littlespooky Oh yeah, yeah.

Wilson (16:34):
So um, you know, for spooky season, I like to each
year there's like a couple showsor movies.
It's like I want to make sureI'm doing spooky things to honor
the season.
So this year I made like a listof movies that I needed to like
rewatch or like TV shows that Ineeded to rewatch, and the
first one was Midnight Mass, soMike Flanagan's one of his you

(16:56):
know limited series.
Um this is the first time Iwatched it since it came out.
It is so good.

Captain (17:02):
I'm I know it is.
I have to give it a rewatchtoo.

Wilson (17:06):
It's like Yeah, it's it's fantastic.
I the only thing, and I don'treally hold it against it, but
some of the monologues, which Iknow Mike Flanton again is
famous for in his TV shows, theyjust they go on and on.
Really?

Captain (17:22):
And on to the point where you're like, get it over
with.

Wilson (17:25):
Well, yeah, there's the very last episode, the very last
scene, there is a the secondlong monologue of this that
season.
And that one I'm just like,this feels a little
self-indulgent, but um Yeah, Iwon't hold it against the show.

Captain (17:43):
And I I basically love anything Mike Flanagan touches,
so yeah, I'm looking, andactually the haunting one has 1%
higher than Midnight Mass,which I feel like is shocking.

Wilson (17:57):
Yeah, I guess it's I don't know.
I I do love the haunting ofHill House, and it's I guess
it's technically my favorite,but I kind of think Midnight
Mass is done better.
I don't know.

Captain (18:10):
I didn't know that's what Mike Flanagan looked like.
He was like, who is this randomdude?
Okay.
Midnight Mass.
You know, I really liked umHouse of Usher.
That one's a little too I meanthat is really into like um some
body goop.

Wilson (18:27):
Goopy, like, yeah.

Captain (18:30):
See, that has even higher.
That has a 91 on RottenTomatoes.

Wilson (18:33):
I'm kind of surprised, but I mean I'm really excited to
I just started re-watching ityesterday, so I'm only one
episode in.
That's so fun.

Captain (18:42):
But you didn't do all of them, right?
You didn't do Haunting of HillHouse or Bly Manor.

Wilson (18:46):
No, if I have time, I think I'll do Bly Manor because
I watched Hill House last year,I think.
Oh my gosh.

Captain (18:53):
Sorry, Hill House is even higher.
But that was the first one.

Wilson (18:57):
Yeah.

Captain (18:58):
Like that one.

Wilson (18:59):
I mean, it's so good.

Captain (19:00):
I think Bly Manor's the worst.

Wilson (19:03):
I think I well, Bly Manor, in my opinion, is not
scary at all.
It's just a sad love story.

Captain (19:09):
Yeah, same.

Wilson (19:10):
Midnight Club, I did not like till towards the end of
the season, and then I was justmad that I didn't know it was
gonna like he didn't plan it tobe one season, which that was
not clear from the beginning.
Yeah, and all of his shows upto that point had been one
season.
So when there was noresolution, I was like, uh and
then it got cancelled.

Captain (19:31):
Yeah, that actually does have the worst reviews,
Midnight Club.

Wilson (19:35):
Yeah.

Captain (19:35):
Yeah.
I think for me, I think you'reright though.
Blind Manor, uh it's just yeah,I'm like, where's the scare?
It's like, yeah, it's just alittle too um tired concept.
Sorry.

Wilson (19:48):
Well, so I still really like it.
I just don't think it's like aspooky yeah.

Captain (19:53):
It doesn't fit the vibe.
That's all.
Um, okay.
Well, you know, you're gettingme into this like I need to
watch it.

Wilson (20:02):
Do it.

Captain (20:03):
I think I'm all caught up on everything else.
I finished Wednesday.
Um we watched Peacemaker.
There's one episode of that wehaven't seen the last one.

Wilson (20:13):
I haven't started that show, but that does remind me
there's this other show I wantto tell you about.
I don't think you're gonna likeit.
Maybe maybe Jay would like it.
Um I don't know.
It's anime.
I found it because I waswatching a movie in theaters and
it was advertising like a moviecoming out.

Captain (20:27):
Oh.

Wilson (20:28):
So I started this TV show.
It's like one season.
It's called Chainsaw Man.
Um, it's this kid that has apet demon dog that has a
chainsaw in its face.
Um, the dog gives up its lifeto save the guy's life.

Captain (20:47):
Um I don't want to watch that.

Wilson (20:49):
Well, uh no, it becomes like part of him.
So the guy has like a ripcordon his chest, and when he pulls
it, a chainsaw rips straight outof his face and then out of his
hands.
Um and he defeats demons.
But his main motivation in theshow, whatever he's doing, is to
ultimately touch boobs.

Captain (21:11):
That is so random.
I mean, on on track for animethough, but um watch me mention
this to him and he's like, Ohyeah, I've seen it.

Wilson (21:22):
I thought about texting him and asking if he had seen
it.

Captain (21:24):
He might have.
I don't know.
It has good reviews.

Wilson (21:28):
Yeah, it's pretty entertaining so far.

Captain (21:33):
So random.

Wilson (21:34):
I just figured you'd think it's like completely
ridiculous.

Captain (21:38):
It it is.
I I don't uh so like I do likehorror animes, but sometimes
they get real weird where I'mlike, I I don't even know what
story I'm watching anymore.
So yeah.
But yeah.
Okay.
Well let me know.
I guess I'll let you know.

Wilson (21:58):
It's on Hulu, so okay.
It's one season, it's not thatlong.

Captain (22:05):
Okay.
I gotta figure out I I gottalike figure out I mean I have to
like host a movie next week.
I gotta like figure that outbefore I do anything.

Wilson (22:12):
That's that's true.

Captain (22:13):
Um, okay.
Um, you ready to jump in here?
Oh my gosh.
Yeah, let's pop in.
Yeah, we gotta get in here.

Wilson (22:18):
Oh, to our Halloween episode.
Halloween.

Captain (22:21):
Okay.
Um, welcome to the 179thepisode of the Red Room Podcast,
where we review horror movieswhile enjoying adult beverage or
two.
And I'm Captain.

Wilson (22:31):
And I'm Wilson.

Captain (22:32):
And this week we're reviewing the 2015 American
Supernatural Horror film Pay theGhost.
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
Um oh, and I'm I am drinking mylast savored Nantucket
blueberry drink.

Wilson (22:50):
Ooh.
I'm so sorry.

Captain (22:53):
But in December, when I come there, I'm getting I'm
stacking up on blueberryboyfriends.
Because I haven't seen thoseanywhere else.
So man, okay.
We need to make sure to getwhere I got those.

Wilson (23:07):
Um I think so.
Okay.
I think there was only oneplace that we went for drinks.
And I went there today to stockup on Kona, which is what I'm
drinking.

Captain (23:16):
Oh.
Okay, well, let me know if yousee blueberry boyfriends.
Not that you have to buy any,but just keep it keep an eye on
them.
That they're wrong.

Wilson (23:23):
Who makes it again?

Captain (23:24):
Oh, sir.
I don't know.
But I'm sure I could find I'msure I could do a quick goog.

Wilson (23:31):
Googs.

Captain (23:35):
Um, it says I love the art.
Prairie artisan ales.
Like prairie dog.

Wilson (23:42):
I'll probably forget, but I will try to record.

Captain (23:46):
Well, it's recorded forever.
Oh, you mean just when you'rethere?
I thought you meant the name ofthe Oh yeah, just yeah.
Okay.

Wilson (23:54):
Yep, yep.

Captain (23:55):
I don't know where Prairie, like I was trying to
figure out where that is,though.
Like, is that in your area?
I don't know.

Wilson (24:03):
Wait, was it Prairie Who?

Captain (24:04):
Prairie Artisan Ales.
I love their website.
When you click on it, it saysare you at least 21 years old?
And it's either not yet or hellyeah, brother.

Wilson (24:18):
Uh it looks like it might be oh, they're Oklahoma.

Captain (24:21):
Oh, Oklahoma, yeah.
Well, I'm never going toOklahoma.
The fuck?

Wilson (24:26):
No, no.

Captain (24:28):
Well, it's really good.
So anyway, um, okay, let's seewhat we got here.
Um, okay, so Pay the Ghost,directed by Yuli Edel, um, who's
German.
And he's best known for hisworks on films such as Oh My
Gosh.
Oh no, that's wrong.

(24:49):
I thought it was Christy in thecar.

Wilson (24:51):
Oh.

Captain (24:52):
It's Christian F.
I don't know what that is.
Last Exit to Brooklyn.
Don't know what that is.
These are things he's knownfor, but I don't know any of
them.
They might be a good one.

Wilson (25:01):
I wonder if they were like yeah, I was just about to
say that.
Yeah.

Captain (25:04):
Um his Rasputin won a Golden Globe for Best
Miniseries.
Alan Rickman in the title rolewon an Emmy and Golden Globe for
that movie that he did.
Rasputin.
That was a real person, right?
Like in history.

Wilson (25:23):
Yes.

Captain (25:26):
Pretty sure.
I know.
Education has, I mean, that'sjust out my fucking out the out
the brain.
Like, I don't keep any of thatin there.
Um, and then Ian McKellen wonor playing Tsar Nicholas II also
won a Golden Globe for thatmovie.
So I guess that was his biggestum uh title.

(25:47):
I'm like uh Ras Buten.
That was a person that was bad.
Right?
Good.

Wilson (25:54):
Um I don't know.

Captain (25:58):
Oh, it says he was a faith healer.
And he was like famous in theRussian Empire.
Maybe we have to watch thisRasputin movie.
Um, okay.
Um Pay the Ghost is based on abook by Tim Liebun.

(26:19):
His novelization of the filmThirty Days of Night became a
New York Times bestseller.
Yes.
And he won a Scribe Award in2018 in 2008.
So I I looked up his stuff andhe turns a lot of movies into
books.
Like that's what he mostlydoes.
So he's done Hellboy and he didlike Alien Predator, um, and

(26:41):
and obviously Thirty Days ofNight.

Wilson (26:43):
Well, shoot, I'm gonna add that to my Goodreads because
I like I liked Thirty Days ofNight.

Captain (26:47):
Do you like Buck with Thirty Days of Night?

Wilson (26:50):
I mean, I don't think I've watched it since we did it
on the podcast, but I do reallylike it.

Captain (26:56):
It's not as much as your Link V for Vandetta
obsession.

Wilson (27:00):
Yeah, I think I've grown out of that, but I do really
like that movie.
Okay.
You said that it's Steve Niles,is that right?

Captain (27:09):
What?
Tim T-Bone?
Tim Libone?

Wilson (27:12):
Oh sorry.
There's um I guess they alsomade a comic book series.

Captain (27:16):
Oh yeah.

Wilson (27:17):
That's what I I looked at the wrong thing.

Captain (27:20):
I mean, this is like from his website.
I don't know.

Wilson (27:23):
This uh this has some pretty good the book has like
good ratings.
Oh it's a 4.12 on Goodreads.

Captain (27:30):
Timmy.

Wilson (27:32):
Timmy.

Captain (27:34):
Um I I I yeah.
I mean, I guess good for himthat he found like a niche that
works, but I I don't I I feelweird about turning movies into
books.
I feel like it makes more senseto turn a book into a movie,
but I guess whatever works.
Um anyway, um, okay, yes, andhe did a bunch of those.

(27:54):
Um so for the cast of thismovie, um, obviously we have our
main dude, Nicolas Cage, whoplays um a guy named Mike.
Um we love Nicolas Cage'sfrantic energy that he always
brings.
Um obviously he did NationalTreasure, he did the Wicker Man,
Ghost Rider.
Um he was Noir Spider-Man inthe Spider-Verse movie.

(28:18):
Um Renfield, which I loved,Long Legs, which was really
good.
Um I never watched that pigmovie, but I know that that was
also like somewhat pig, wherehe's like he has a I think he's
saving his pig that got stolen,or he's that kind of sounds like
um John Wick, but uh it'ssomething about a pig, like a

(28:39):
like a truffle pig that's likereally um truffle pig.
Yeah, like you know how theyuse pigs to smell out truffles
that are like worth like a lotof money?
You don't know what I'm talkingabout at all.

Wilson (28:50):
Do I not understand what truffles are outside of like
You know what I mean?

Captain (28:55):
Like they use like pigs, like truffle pigs.

Wilson (28:58):
I didn't know they did that.

Captain (29:00):
Oh.
Yeah, that someone abducts hisprecious pig and he has to fight
them.
But I think it's a truffle pigthat's like worth a lot of money
because it finds truffles thatare worth a lot of money.

Wilson (29:12):
Okay.
I had no idea.
I feel like this movie musthave been in that time frame
where supposedly Nick NicholasCage had a lot of um uh
financial woes.
He did a lot of really goodmovies, a lot of terrible ones
for a long time, and now he'sback in like the good movies.

(29:32):
So like I don't know.

Captain (29:34):
Yeah, Renfield and Long Legs, which for me are the most
recent ones I know him from,and I liked his role in both of
those.

Wilson (29:41):
Oh yeah.

Captain (29:42):
He plays like kind of a weird, like creepy, slash not
fully human, but yeah.

Wilson (29:48):
Oh, he did that very well.

Captain (29:49):
Yeah, he does he does it great.
So you can't blame him.
Um yes, okay.
So we got Nick Cage, and thenhis wife in this movie um is
played by Sarah Wayne Cass.
Callie?
Yeah, Calys.
Um, who um is I've mostly knownfor um playing starring in

(30:10):
Prison Break, but I know her asLori Grimes in The Walking Dead.
Um and more recently, she'sknown as some character in the
ABC show The Company That YouKeep.
Um, but I couldn't tell youwhat that is, but No.
She definitely um I don't know.
In my head, she'll always be atLori Grimes.
Um and it's so funny because inthe Walking Dead she has a son

(30:34):
named Carl that she's likesaying his name a lot, and then
in this movie she has a sonnamed Charlie.
So like I was I was like Idon't know, I was hearing the
parallels.

Wilson (30:43):
Um This would have been like kind of shortly.
Like this was probably filmedkind of shortly after she left.
It's gotta be dead, right?

Captain (30:51):
Yeah, it's it's gotta be right around that time
because The Walking Dead, Ithink, was what, 2008?
I wanna say.

Wilson (30:57):
I thought it came out in like 2011.

Captain (30:59):
Oh, okay.
Maybe you're right.

Wilson (31:00):
I could be wrong.
I could be wrong.

Captain (31:02):
2010, okay.

Wilson (31:04):
Okay.

Captain (31:04):
So yeah, and she was on.

Wilson (31:07):
Yeah, like three, four seasons, maybe.

Captain (31:09):
I want to say four.
Uh yeah, I want to yeah, I wantto say like three or four.
Um so yeah, this would havebeen right after.
Um, and then they so the maincharacters are these two, and
then they have a son, Charlie,who I didn't write down because
I guess he's not known foranything else.
Um and then I wrote down theseother people, but I don't know

(31:32):
who they are.
Veronica?
Who's Hannah?

Wilson (31:36):
She's a German woman known for German things.

Captain (31:39):
Yeah.
Oh, she must be the umco-worker.
I'm assuming.

Wilson (31:45):
Oh, yeah.
I think she was the blondewoman with the glasses.

Captain (31:49):
Yeah.
Um, and then the detective guy,Jordan.
Um, he his name is Lyric Bent,and he's known for his role in
the Saw films as Daniel Rigg.
I guess.

Wilson (31:59):
I thought he looked kind of familiar.

Captain (32:01):
Who's Daniel in the Saw films?

Wilson (32:02):
Is that like a It's probably just like one of the
detectives in one of the movies?

Captain (32:07):
No, I think he's he was in multiple Saw films.

Wilson (32:10):
That's why that's why.
Yeah, he was in two, three, andfour.
Am I gonna have to Google it?
Oh damn it.

Captain (32:18):
I know, but I don't watch the Saw movie, so I
couldn't like look at it myself.
Like it's not gonna meananything to me.
Um, he's SWAT officer,apparently.

Wilson (32:31):
Yeah, it looks like he's some sort of officer.
Yeah, okay, I see now.

Captain (32:34):
Um, yeah, so that's basically what we got.
Um anything to add?

Wilson (32:42):
There's like some other characters, but I mean somebody
else accidentally came upwhenever I was searching for
him.
And I was trying to see where Irecognized her from.

Captain (32:59):
From this movie?

Wilson (33:01):
Um, no, sorry.
This is such a small tangent,but um his character name in
Saul is Daniel Rigg, and when Isearched it, it came up with
Diana Rigg.

Captain (33:14):
And I'm like You know that face, okay.

Wilson (33:18):
I know the name, but I couldn't tell.
Oh, oh.
Uh she played Olena Tyrell inGame of Thrones, the um
Marjorie's grandmother.

Captain (33:28):
Oh, that later.

Wilson (33:29):
Tell Cersei it was me.
Yeah.

Captain (33:31):
Yeah.
Bad bitch.
Okay.
Bad bitch.
Um, so oh, let's see here.
Okay, so this movie starts outwith a scene from 1679 of some
lady getting like beaten up, andher kids also are like um
listening to it, and then seemslike they also get attacked.

(33:51):
Um, but that's really kind ofall we see.

Wilson (33:53):
Um did we so we actually saw her in the very beginning?

Captain (33:58):
No, we hear her yelling.

Wilson (34:00):
Okay, I remember that opening cut scene being
confusing because it said theyear.
There we there were kidsclearly hiding in a basement,
and then like a scream and thena cut, and I was like, uh I
don't know how much that added,but it doesn't really add much,
but I mean it sets up for whatthey're going for.

Captain (34:18):
Um, but yeah, you don't actually see her.
So yeah, and then yeah, andthen a scream, and then there
was like an axe that goesthrough the floor, and that's
all we get.
Um, and then it cuts to modernday, and we have um Mike, a
professor, um, is like um kindof like doesn't spend a lot of
time with his family becausehe's trying to get tenure.

(34:39):
Um, so he's like late to a lotof stuff.
Um Halloween is approaching andhe promises his son Charlie
that he'll be there for that.
Um, but um he's still late forthat as well.

Wilson (34:48):
Um yeah, I don't think they ever carved that pumpkin.

Captain (34:50):
No, pumpkin rotted.
Um, but yeah, he promises thathe'll be there and he'll chuck
retreat and he'll do all thestuff.
Um, but he's late to that aswell.
Um, the only interactions weget with him and Charlie prior
to this is that Charlieapparently is seeing some creepy
figure outside his window thathe asks his dad to like keep an
eye out for.

(35:11):
Um and he drew that creepyimage in his artwork that his
mom sees.
Um, and he's like um seeinglike birds, a lot of like
vultures following him onHalloween night with his mom.
Um but uh Mike takes him outlate, like they were supposed to
already be home, and he waslike, Let me take him to the

(35:33):
carnival, which uh Lori, orwhat's her name?
Kristin Kristen already said uhno to.

Wilson (35:39):
Lori.

Captain (35:40):
I know I want to call her Lori.
Um already said no to, but hehe was like, Come on, I didn't
get to spend any time with him.
I'm like, that was kind of yourfault.
Um, but takes him to thecarnival.
Um, and of course it's likecrowded and um I wouldn't say
that Nicolas Cage was like notpaying attention, like he was

(36:02):
trying to keep his son safe.
And like he lets go his hand,but it's to like grab the ice
cream, so it's not that he didanything like super wrong,
right?

Wilson (36:15):
Yeah, like I mean it was clear he was holding his hand,
and as far as we know, he didn'tlet go.
The son just vanished.

Captain (36:23):
Yeah, just like disappeared.

Wilson (36:25):
I don't think Nicolas Cage's character did anything
wrong, but it certainly seemslike it.

Captain (36:31):
Yeah, I mean, my first thought was like, your wife's
gonna fucking kill you becauseshe's already said no to this.
You said yes, and then you lostyour son.
Um, but yeah, Charlie also seeslike a dark figure pointing at
him um in the shadows, likeprior to this, too.
Um oh, and right before Charlievanishes, he sees another bird

(36:52):
up hovering above him and heasks his dad, can we pay the
ghost?
And then he vanishes, which islike kind of an eye roll that
you're gonna throw the titlelike that blatantly in our face.
Um so obviously, like freak outensues, you know, him and his
wife like report it to thepolice.
Um, you know, they're seeinglike images of Charlie like in

(37:15):
their dreams or like, you know,on the street, whatever.
Um but it cuts to a year later.

Wilson (37:23):
So And they're clearly separated.

Captain (37:26):
Yeah, they're not doing well.
That marriage fell the fuckapart, which I mean, prior to
this, he like I said, he wasn'treally home.
Now he did say things will getbetter now that I have tenure
because like I can do whateverand they can't fire me.

Wilson (37:39):
Um but yeah, but that same day he lost his kids.

Captain (37:43):
So Yeah, so not great.
Um, but yes, Mike's um notdoing well.
Like he's still hanging outflyers every day, still like
bothering the police about it,um, calling them lazy.
Um and he eventually findsgraffiti in this like random
abandoned building um in theircity that has Pay the Ghost

(38:05):
painted in it.
Um so he like follows it downinto this I what is this like an
underground subway system?
Like that's what it looks like.

Wilson (38:16):
Yeah, or just like where like water runoff in a city
would go and just like I don'tknow.

Captain (38:22):
I don't know, but there's like a obviously like a
homeless community that livesdown there.
Um and he asks them about thegraffiti and one man that's like
blind, uh, which is like Idon't know what that adds to the
story, but I it's just like Idon't know, he's like has a
walking stick and everything,but um he kind of tells him like

(38:45):
there's something that likethere there's something that's
happening with this.
Um they hear like a creepywoman crying noise, um, and then
he takes him to this other wallthat has Paint the Ghost or Pay
the Ghost, like painted on theentire wall, top to bottom, side
to side, um, from like whoknows other people.

(39:06):
Um, but he doesn't really getanswers.
Um and then I think he uh tellsKristen this and she's like,
You're fucking crazy.
Because he thinks like Charlieis reaching out to him.
Um and she says you're fuckingcrazy, except later that night
um in her house, she gets likethat really creepy scene of the

(39:30):
razor scooter is scooting arounddownstairs by itself.
Um, and it scoots like throughthe kitchen, and then like she
comes down the steps and she'sseeing this freaking this is
like the middle of the night.
Um, and then it like scootsaround the corner, um, all the
way, rolls all the way up toher, and then like stands up for
a few moments and then falls toits side.

(39:52):
Which I was like, absolutelynot, absolutely not.

Wilson (39:56):
Now she like finally kind of she's open to listening
to um uh Mike because beforethis she just thought he was
crazy and she didn't want likehe lost my son, I don't really
want to talk to you.
Now she's like, Okay, I'mseeing shit.

Captain (40:11):
Yeah, they kind of both um like believe each other.
Um and then uh Mike tells her,like, okay, look at this.
All these kids that disappearlike throughout the year, like
most of them are found, but onHalloween night, if a kid
disappears, most of them aren'tever recovered.
Um, so like he thinks these areall connected because like why

(40:33):
is that one day different thanthe rest of the year?
Um, and they tell the policethis.
Um, what's that guy's what'sthe uh Detective Jordan Reynolds
this so he starts looking intoit too.
Um we hear a story about someguy that lost his daughter the

(40:54):
same way that also said pay theghost.
Um and that lady um that ownsthe restaurant also said the
same thing.
Like um her daughterdisappeared on Halloween, and um
she recently saw like the ghostof her um that said like can
you save me from the ghost orsomething?
Um and of course when shedelivers that line in the movie,

(41:17):
the the fire in the girl behindher like goes ablaze, like
erupts in the restaurant, um,which is kind of fun.

Wilson (41:25):
Um was this um I forget, was this before or after they
get um like a psychic to come totheir house?

Captain (41:33):
I think the psychic psychic was um yeah, right after
that.
Yeah, right after that.
So because Kristen was like, Isomething's happening in this
house with the scooter.
We're not doing that again.
So she wants to bring a mediuminto the house.
Um and this medium comes in,and I I've I mean, what a

(41:56):
fucking work day.
Um she goes into Charlie's roomand um she basically feels
something.
She walks over to the windowand there's this storm rolling
in, and she says, Um, what doesshe say?
It's here.
She's like almost on the vergeof tears.
And then she opens the window.
The storm, the wind of thestorm is like so gusty that it

(42:17):
rips her across the room.
She slams into the back wall,then she flies to the ceiling.
And then, like, clearly there'ssomething supernatural
happening because she gets likechoked out, and then I think
what her her eyes and her noseare bleeding, and yeah, and she
like burns from the inside.
Yeah, yeah.

Wilson (42:36):
I don't know if they find that out right there, but
uh like when they do an autopsy,she's crispy.

Captain (42:41):
She's yeah, the other um I always forget the name of
that person, not Mortician.

Wilson (42:47):
Um Coroner.
Oh, okay, yeah.

Captain (42:50):
Yeah, oh yeah, or a pat yeah, whatever.
But uh the coroner says um Imean, literally, he's like
spontaneous combustion from theinside.
Um, like she looks like a Imean, it's not the greatest um
practical effects, but I mean, Imean, it's just like a black
nothing hole of a body.

Wilson (43:11):
Oh yeah, the um speaking of effects, the birds that
remind me of turkeys in thismovie, they uh they look pretty
bad in some scenes.

Captain (43:19):
Yeah, the vultures are pretty bad in some scenes.
That's that is true.
Um yeah, I don't know.
I yeah, I'm not really sure whythat's the direction that they
went.
Well, I guess it's based on abook, so maybe that's why.
Because maybe that's in thebook.
This is one of the books thatthis guy wrote that's not based

(43:40):
on a movie.
So maybe, yeah.
Um but it got turned into amovie, which is fun.
Um so um, yes, she yes, this ummedium, like we see burns on
her hands, so we know somethinghappened.
Um but again, like the cops,like Mike is so suspicious.

(44:04):
Like, he even in the beginningof the movie, it's like he's
home late, he says his phonedied, so he's like not
contactable, so like sus withyour wife, and then like you're
the last one to see your childalive, and now you have a woman
that died in your house throughlike a way that you're
explaining this to the copssounds insane.
I mean, luckily Kristen alsosaw it.

Wilson (44:26):
Um yeah, but it just looks suspicious, like the
psychic dies there too.
Yes, you were the last one withyour kid.

Captain (44:34):
Yeah, and they yeah, and they they cops even tell him
that, but whatever.
Um, so again, like I thinkcreepy stuff's happening.
Um, Kristen gets like takenover, her body gets taken over
by Charlie briefly to like askMike to save him.
Like there's that creepy sceneof her like crying at night, but

(44:55):
she's like sleep crying.
Um, and then she like sleepcuts herself um with like that
creepy symbol in her arm thatshe cut out.

Wilson (45:03):
Um yeah, but it looked like she was like digging in
there, like she just like jammeda stick and just like it looked
like she had a dagger.

Captain (45:09):
I was like, where did she get this 1800s dagger from?
Like I briefly looked at thescreen and I was like, what is
going on?
Um yeah, but it really did.
It looked it looked when shewas doing it, it was way deeper
than what she got at the end.
Um But yeah, she gets thisweird symbol that looks like um
like DNA.
That's what I mean.

Wilson (45:28):
I think it's like it's like a moon, a full moon, and
then two half moons facingoutward.

Captain (45:34):
Like a tarot card looking thing.

Wilson (45:37):
Sure.

Captain (45:40):
Um yes.
So she gets that on her arm,and then I think they ask Mike's
friend professor, what did Itell you her name was?
Hannah.
Yes.
Uh sure.
Um Hannah.
Um sorry.
I'm thinking of the Hannah thatwe both know in my um

(46:01):
impersonation.
Um, okay, so Hannah says umhelps them discover that like
this is some Celtic back historywith like some Halloween
ceremony that happens that'slike Celtic based.
Um, and that her whateverhistory with that, and then like

(46:24):
they actually go to a Celticceremony that's happening.
But through those two thingsthey realize that like I I'm
confused because that we get twostories of what's happening.
One is there's this Celtic godCrone that Cronus, I don't know,
a goddess Crone that um like uhneeds an like she takes three

(46:44):
kids on Halloween everyHalloween.
Um I don't remember why, but uhyou can like burn some dolls
during this Celtic holiday andoffer those to her in
replacement.
I don't really remember whatthe backstory is of why she
takes those kids, because thenwe get the other backstory of
Annie Saway or whatever thatdoes the same thing where it

(47:06):
takes where she takes threekids.

Wilson (47:08):
I feel like whenever um this person witch or whatever
that was burned in 1679, I feellike she like invoked that
spirit with that spell she wassaying, or like something like
that.
Or maybe she uh I I don't know.
Okay.
That's my guess.

Captain (47:27):
So in folklore, Crone is a real thing.
It's an old woman who may becharacterized by like a
malicious or sinister in manner,um, and she has some type of
supernatural association.
Um also she's known as like awise woman figure, it says.
Um usually characteristically ahag.

(47:48):
Um but let's see.
This word was popularized.
Um became especially okay, thethird goddess, popularized by
Robert Graves.
Um yeah, so it seems like thisis a real folklore thing.

(48:09):
Um I just don't see anythingthat's specific about like her
stealing three children.
That's all.

Wilson (48:15):
The crone.

Captain (48:16):
The crone.

Wilson (48:17):
Okay.

Captain (48:18):
Yeah, like there's nothing on here that's like she
specifically takes kids.
Um it's just that she's likesupernatural.

Wilson (48:25):
Well, maybe uh she just like used her witchy whatever,
the the 1690s.
Maybe she just invoked thecrone and because Oh, she like
started curse.
She yeah.

Captain (48:41):
Yeah, see they they could explain that in the movie
that I would let them pass, butthey don't do that.

Wilson (48:47):
But they have to find a good balance of like, please do
not spell this out for me, butalso provide a little bit more
information.

Captain (48:52):
Yeah, because I was like, why are you giving me two
options of what this could be?
Like, you should just give methe one.
I would though that's like Iwas confused up until right now.
But that makes sense if she waslike invoking this goddess that
could help uh avenge herforever, basically.
But like you should, yeah, thatshould just be a little bit
more clear.
Um because like Mike and Chris,Kristen are getting this

(49:15):
information, like I said, fromhis coworker friend that knows a
bunch of Celtic history, andthen from this like random
school teacher that was helpingputting on this Celtic event
that I feel bad because likethey were trauma dumping on her.
They were like, our kid diedlast year.
She was like, I they were like,they were like, tell us
everything.
She was like, I I'm just aschool teacher.
I well, yeah.

Wilson (49:34):
They walk up, they're like, Oh, can you tell us about
this event?
And she answers, and they'relike, Her child disappeared a
year ago.
And it's like, whoa.

Captain (49:42):
I'm like, can you let her like this is a random
Wednesday?
Like, you gotta let this ladylike not get involved in your
shit.
Um, yes.
So uh they figure out that theyhave to go to where the weeping
woman is, and like that wassomething that was told to them.
That's where you can get yourkid back.

(50:03):
Um and you have to be you haveto go through the portal between
like life and death.
Um the only time it's open isduring Halloween and it closes
at midnight.

Wilson (50:12):
So Mike knows where that portal is because he's Oh, and
only if the kid disappearedsince last year.
Oh, yeah.
And they leave.

Captain (50:20):
Yes.
Only the ones that disappearedwithin the yeah, that was yeah,
within the last Celtic uh soundslike complete garbage, but they
still got a juice of life left.

Wilson (50:30):
Yeah.

Captain (50:31):
Um yeah, so they pip on over there.
Um, of course, they get unlesslike big car act crash because
the birds are attacking, tryingto stop Mike.
Um, but Mike does make its waydown to that like water sub I
don't know, subways, undergroundtunnels.
Um so weird, but he finds theblind guy again, pays him with

(50:56):
his watch to show him where togo.
Um and then which sounds likeso fake, like whatever, but that
takes him to this tunnel that'slike uh it's like a walkway
that like goes into like a smokyarea, so like you don't see
where the walkway is leading.

Wilson (51:13):
Yeah, I think this this part reminded me a lot of
Insidious of like going intothis like spooky, smoky, dark
realm to get your kid back.
And then you had to go througha doorway that would like close
at some point, probably, orwhatever.

Captain (51:31):
It's been a while since I've seen Insidious.
I don't did we do that for thepodcast?

Wilson (51:38):
Uh I don't know.
I kind of feel like we didn't.

Captain (51:43):
Okay.
You know, uh the speaking ofthis is such a random the quick
sidetrack.
Um, but I was putting togetherour schedule for next season,
and um The Grudge came up as anoption, and I originally had
that on the list, but um, Iremember the first time I saw
The Grudge, like this was backwhen it was like you could rent
a physical D like movie copysomewhere.

(52:04):
Um this might have been likeearly Netflix when they were
like a disc renting.

Wilson (52:09):
Okay, yeah.

Captain (52:10):
Um, but I remember I hated them.
I was like, this movie is soboring, and I was gonna be like,
I really don't want to re-watchthis movie, but I'll do it for
the podcast because it's likepretty famous, like people know
about the grudge.
Um but fun fact, it got takenoff the list because I couldn't
find it streamable anywhere.

Wilson (52:27):
Oh.
I know I think I've seen it.
I mean, I know I saw the spoofin Scary Movie 4.

Captain (52:34):
Yeah.
Um I remember I remember itbeing so boring.
I was like, this isn't scary atall.

Wilson (52:40):
But uh I did hear the the original Japanese version is
very, very good.

Captain (52:45):
Yeah, I yeah, obviously I didn't watch that one.

Wilson (52:47):
Um but um and by the way, we did do Insidious and it
was episode 25.

Captain (52:52):
I would never remember.
Do you still have the list up?
Because we did Wickerman andthat was a Nick Cage movie.
So if we want to squelch itreal quick, I have no idea.

Wilson (53:01):
We did Wickerman?

Captain (53:02):
Yeah, we did.
I think that was gonna be Ithink that's gonna be like in
the 70s.
I'm gonna say like 72.

Wilson (53:10):
Do you have I'm gonna say like 35.

Captain (53:14):
Really?
Okay.
I know we did it.
Because I remember talkingabout it.

Wilson (53:21):
It was 36.

Captain (53:22):
Oh my god! Did you cheat?

Wilson (53:24):
I did not cheat, I swear I did.

Captain (53:26):
Whoa, I was a way off.
Okay.
I feel like I I don't rememberany movies like 30 and under
except the first one.
So, like, I I if I remember themovie, I always assume it's
gonna be like way later.

Wilson (53:42):
See, that was I used that logic because I did not
remember Wickerman at all.
So I was like, it has to be areally low number.

Captain (53:48):
Well, whatever.
Um okay, back to this movie.
Oh, yeah, I should say, okay,so um we get the full backstory
about this Annie girl.
So Annie saw way, whatever.
Um, she was a the woman in thevery first scene of the movie,
she I still don't know she wasblamed for like the town
suffering, I guess, but like Idon't know Yeah, the town got a

(54:12):
bad case, the flu.

Wilson (54:13):
Okay.
And they blamed these Celticpeop immigrants.
Yes.
So they came to kill her andher three small children.

Captain (54:24):
Yeah, I would say they like suspected that she was a
witch.
Now, to be fair to them, seemslike she was a witch.
Cause she was not reallyburning at the stake.

Wilson (54:37):
Yeah, I'm not saying she deserved it, but they were
right.

Captain (54:39):
Yeah, I feel like this is real bad because she's like
putting a bad name out there forall the women that they did
burn that weren't witches.

Wilson (54:47):
Yeah, because she was actively chanting before she got
burned.

Captain (54:50):
I mean, she literally like cursed the day and that
land of New York like forever,um with her witchiness because
they burned her three kids infront of her.
Um so like I mean, I can'tblame them, but I also not
great.

Wilson (55:10):
Yeah, it's not great.
And now I do wonder if they didthey actually know she was a
witch before then?
Because before then it justsounds like xenophobia, and then
it just find out that she justso happened to be a witch.

Captain (55:22):
Whoever suspected her would have been like the town
detective forever.
Anyway, um oh yes, and then wewatch Blondie, we watch Hannah
get um pushed out a window bynothing, right?

Wilson (55:35):
By like some Yeah, just because she was like researching
and she like told Mike and uhKristen some facts.

Captain (55:46):
Can't be spreading facts out here.
Um okay, so Mike goes down intothis uh tunnel that you can't
see the end of, seems to be outoutside on the other side of a
portal, and then he sees um thislike random house, which he did
see an image of that houseearlier on his son's camcorder
from that night.
Like it popped onto thecamcorder screen randomly.

(56:08):
Um, so it seemed like he was inthe right spot.
That I mean, just a randomhouse is is weird, and then he
walks in the house and then helike figures out he's gotta like
move this boulder off this doorthat leads to the basement.
Couldn't tell you what the fuckthat was.
Like at a certain point, he'slike wiggling around in the
house trying to get to thebasement, and I'm like, the
fuck's going on in here?
Like who t I I don't know, itjust seems random, like where he

(56:31):
was going.
No?

Wilson (56:35):
Yeah, I mean, because I don't know.
It was the like only thing, itwas like straight ahead when he
walked out of there.
It was like the only thing inthe area.

Captain (56:43):
Yeah, it's just I don't know, you but you were like
kids are in the basement, that'swhere they always are.

Wilson (56:48):
So Well, it's like I think when we saw the earlier
flashback, the kids went intothe basement to hide.
I mean, he wouldn't have knownthat, but like I didn't think
about that.

Captain (56:59):
Okay, okay.
Anyway, yeah, he goes downthere and then I shoot you not,
there are like a thousand deadkids down there.
Like, literally, as far as theeye could see, like, insane.

Wilson (57:12):
Yeah, that was like more so what?

Captain (57:14):
It's been um it's been like 300 years.

Wilson (57:18):
It's been like 300 and like so there'd be like nine
nine hundred kids down there.

Captain (57:22):
Oh yeah.

Wilson (57:23):
That looked like way more than 900 kids.

Captain (57:25):
I would say it looked like a thousand a thousand kids
down there.

Wilson (57:28):
Oh okay.

Captain (57:29):
I mean, that was a lot of kids.

Wilson (57:32):
Yeah.

Captain (57:33):
I I think I think it checks out loosely and it checks
out enough.
Because if the if you saw likelike 20 kids down there, you'd
be like, what the fuck?
This is not it it was uh thenumber is good enough for me.
Um fine.
Um and then Nick, you know, notNick, Mike, is um, you know,

(57:53):
calling out for Charlie.
Um and as he's like making hisway through the kids, um, like
he's like wisping through them,so they're like all ghosty
because they all got killed ordisappeared more than a year
ago.
But he eventually finds a handthat feels like a hand and it's
Charlie.
Um so he's like saving Charlieand then Charlie's like, can we

(58:15):
bring my friends?
And originally it I mean itlooked like Nick, it looked like
Nick was gonna say no.

Wilson (58:22):
He was like totally ready to say no.

Captain (58:24):
Yeah, but he was like, I think he said something like,
Okay, we like we have to hurryor whatever.
And then so we basically seethem save the two kids from the
other parents that that weretalked to earlier in the movie.
Um so you know, they run out ofthere.
Um a fight ensues with I guessI don't know if that was Crone

(58:44):
or Annie, but the ghost, thephantom that was stealing them.
Um Mike gets like almost chokedout to death um to try to like
keep the kids protected.
And then Charlie calls out toall his 1,000 ghost kid friends
to like help him.
And I guess they like, I don'tknow what you call it, they like

(59:07):
tornado around her.

Wilson (59:10):
Yeah, I thought this part was actually pretty cool.
Like they were headed back onthe bridge, you know, like you
said, she confronted them andthe little boy yells to the kids
to help, and they like yeah,they get all wispy.
I thought I just thought it wascool.
They're like, they're gonnaactually help out.
They swirled around her.

Captain (59:26):
Yeah, with like a yeah, like a big cloud
tornado-looking thing, and thatthat got her moved enough away
that they could escape.
Um, I the ghost wispies, Idon't mean that this to sound
mean, but it looks it lookedvery like um Casper the ghost.
Like the actual um effects it'sthemselves.

(59:48):
Or like um a ghost and like theGhostbusters.
Like very uh I don't know,almost campy.
Like, I don't know, something.

Wilson (01:00:01):
I could see that.
Um, I think the reason I likedthat scene so much is because it
like the movie was like kind offine, but I think it added like
a little bit of an emotionalbit to it of like a kid's asking
the all these other kids forlike help after death for them
to succeed.
I just thought it was likeokay.

(01:00:22):
You added a little a littlebaby emotional layer that wasn't
just like parents screamingabout a kid they lost.
I was like, alright.

Captain (01:00:29):
Okay, that's fine.
Yeah.
So they save they save Mikefrom dying, or that he's so he
doesn't die, and then um theyget out of there, right?
Um we don't see the other kidsgetting reunited with their
family, but we see Mike bringCharlie home and um him and
Kristen get reunited.
Now, weirdly, Charlie doesn'tremember anything.
Like, literally, he thinks it'sHalloween night, the same night

(01:00:52):
that he went missing.
Like it his memory is wiped,which I feel like as an adult,
like when Charlie becomes older,that would be so scary that
like just a year is blipped out.
Like you went from being six toseven and you have no memory of
going from six to seven.
Like that would be creepy.
Um but yeah, he has to be alittle bit more.

Wilson (01:01:11):
Well, unless he is unless he is the same age.
Well because like we don't knowif he aged in this like Okay,
but that would fuck me up.

Captain (01:01:22):
That would really fuck me up.

Wilson (01:01:23):
I mean he didn't remember anything, and let's say
he didn't age.
It's like To him, his parentsmight just look a smidge older.

Captain (01:01:31):
Yeah, I guess he didn't age, because like when they're
so young, I feel like you wouldsee that.
I mean, we don't see it, but Imean it's just a movie.

Wilson (01:01:40):
But yeah, but still, yeah, I don't know.

Captain (01:01:44):
Wait, so like he would be Oh, how does 21 work?
Like when he's legal enough todrink.

Wilson (01:01:51):
I mean, uh probably on like on paper he would he would
have aged a year earlier, yeah.

Captain (01:01:59):
Yeah, so Well, no, if he didn't age at all, then it's
I mean like it Oh yeah, yeah.

Wilson (01:02:07):
Let's say he didn't age, but like the govern the the
government, the state's notgonna believe like, oh, you were
in a ghost world, so we'regonna just like change your date
of birth or whatever.

Captain (01:02:18):
But like you haven't seen that amendment, the that
law.
Okay, yeah, but anyway, um ohmy gosh.
And then so the credits areall, and I don't understand why
they put added a aftercreditscene, but there's an
aftercredit scene of Hannah deadon the ground outside the
window.
She was pushed out of, andvultures are going after her

(01:02:40):
body, and then her eyes uh likeshoot open.
Um they're not like regulareyes, they're like what like um
they're just like dark.
Yeah, like covered in.

Wilson (01:02:51):
Like her irises are just like blackish.

Captain (01:02:54):
Yeah, and that's it.
Which I like don't I'm like, isthat are they saying that like
this is now the new possessedcorpse that's gonna be the like
the witch all over again?

Wilson (01:03:08):
Yeah, like I don't know I guess because they just wanted
to give given it's a scarymovie, they wanted to end it on
a like a like a ooh note, eventhough since the kids survived,
but like I don't I don'tunderstand the logic of I I
don't know.

Captain (01:03:24):
I I I could have lived much better without this scene
at the end, honestly.
Like I we did not need to haveHannah involved.
Did you rate this on Letterboxdalready?

Wilson (01:03:36):
I just did.

Captain (01:03:37):
Oh, you just did.
Okay, so this movie has a 10%and then a 26% on Rotten
Tomatoes, so that's uh criticsand then audience.
Now, I think that's harsh.
Uh it's not a good movie, butit's not like a 10%.

Wilson (01:03:56):
No, like when we started off, I was like, okay, this is
gonna be a shit movie.

Captain (01:04:02):
And it takes a long time to get going.

Wilson (01:04:05):
It wasn't, yeah, I like I probably won't watch it again,
but it wasn't complete trash.

Captain (01:04:13):
Right, right, right.
Okay, I just rated it too.
How do I see yours?

Wilson (01:04:19):
Actually, if you like reload the page or something, it
should just pop up.

Captain (01:04:22):
I know, it should.
Oh, is it this one?
Oh, is it this one?
Oh my god, I don't fuckingknow.
Okay.
Um anyway, um I gave it a twostars.

Wilson (01:04:36):
That's what I gave it.

Captain (01:04:37):
Oh, okay.

Wilson (01:04:38):
I think percentage-wise, I um I I mean, I guess it
doesn't really matter, but Isaid 21%.

Captain (01:04:46):
Really?
Two stars is like closer to 40.

Wilson (01:04:51):
Uh yeah, I guess it is.

Captain (01:04:53):
I would give this to me like a like a 37.

Wilson (01:05:00):
Okay.

Captain (01:05:01):
Yeah.

Wilson (01:05:01):
I'd probably should bump up the percentage because it
doesn't really make sense, butto me, like percentages, there's
like so much more wiggle roomthan stars.
The stars mean different to mesomehow.
I don't know.

Captain (01:05:17):
Yeah, I I just feel like this movie had a story and
it had okay enough like effects.
Um I I I think they reallycould have hammered out the
enemy more.
Like that should have been likewe discussed it and now it
makes a lot more sense.
But like that was not clear inthe movie.

(01:05:39):
Um and they could have just nothad that after credit scene,
and that would have been muchbetter.
That would have been like, oh,we have like a movie movie.
Um not like I mean, not like amovie, but like we have like
something that would might bemore on the positive.
We might be 50 plus per short.

(01:05:59):
Um yeah.

Wilson (01:06:04):
Um did this get a theatrical release?

Captain (01:06:07):
I I I think it I think it did because I have a box
office number.
I couldn't find the budget forthis movie, but I did get a box
office, it was around threemillion.
So maybe a small theatricalrelease.
I I don't know.

Wilson (01:06:23):
That's uh I okay.
It looks like it got a alimited theater release, but it
was okay, but mostly video ondemand.

Captain (01:06:32):
Okay, yeah, because three million is like definitely
a limited theater.
Um yeah.
Uh I did get some hot goss fromfor this.
Now I did really have to kindof like dig because the IMBD
didn't really have a lot onthere.
Uh but um let's see.

(01:06:53):
I have when Nicolas Cage'scharacter is hanging missing
children posters, which he'sdoing um probably for like five
minutes in this movie.
You can clearly see anotherposter, partially hidden, that
shows only the word witch.
Clearly a hint to theantagonist of the movie.
Did not see that.

Wilson (01:07:09):
Oh, I did see that.

Captain (01:07:10):
Oh, you did?
Was it to the right of theposters or to the left?

Wilson (01:07:15):
I I don't know.

Captain (01:07:17):
I I was like looking around, but I mostly just saw
the old poster of uh Charlieunderneath the new ones he was
posting.
Um and then just um oh look,someone did the math for us.
Um on IMBD of Annie kidnappedthree children per year from
from Halloween, which 1680,because that would have been the

(01:07:40):
first year after her childrenwere were killed, um, to 2015.
This would have been 335 years.
So she'd captured a hundred andone thousand and five children.

Wilson (01:07:50):
That's a lot of New York kids.

Captain (01:07:52):
Yeah, that's a lot of um vengeance for three children.
Like I get it that they're yourthree children, but I mean,
when did the ta when did thescales balance out, you know?

Wilson (01:08:06):
Yeah, I feel like she should have maybe just gone
after the kids of the people whokilled her.

Captain (01:08:14):
Yeah, that would make more sense.

Wilson (01:08:16):
Just stop it there.

Captain (01:08:17):
Even if they threw that in there, like if they threw in
a quick little, you know, whenHannah was doing a history
lesson, like Nick Cage'scharacter came from that family,
like that would have made themovie better, like if they just
like pipped that in there.
Um but the scene of Annieherself is so short, the two
scenes we get, the one at thevery beginning and the one at
the end, that like they there'snot enough for us to pull from.

(01:08:41):
This movie's only 90 minutes.
They could have could haveclicked that on there at the
end, would have would've bumpedit.

Wilson (01:08:49):
You know, they could have made it like a
psychological horror where hewas a distant relative and you
know his son goes missing, butthen the twist at the end is
he's actually the witch and hetook the kid.

Captain (01:09:02):
So what?

Wilson (01:09:05):
Or like he's like turned into possessed.
She likes possessed him throughlineage.

Captain (01:09:12):
Through lineage.
I don't think I don't think Iwould have liked it, but I mean
I'm always down for a twist, youknow.
We always love what the twist,like, but yeah, they'd have to
rule, they'd have to reallycrank that in for me to enjoy
that.
Because I don't know what Imean Mike was this prime person

(01:09:34):
of interest the whole casebecause the police were like,
what the fuck?
Um okay, and then I did therewas a small interview with the
screenwriter for this movie umthat asked that was asked some
questions, and I wrote down hisanswer.
So he was asked um within theNew York Bureau, you juxtapose a

(01:09:55):
dreamlight carnival um againstlike a sinister realm of evil.
And he said originally the ideawas that there was an abandoned
warehouse and Nick Cage'scharacter comes to and he goes
into the back room and then hesees Pay Pay the Ghost um and
all these different handdrawings scrawled on this little
wall.
Um oh, like as the place that Iguess um Charlie would have

(01:10:22):
gone abandoned, like the theplace that we see him see the
weeping woman, but I guess theydecided that that had to be a
different place than and I I'mglad they did a carnival because
that's way creepier to bring achild to a carnival than I mean
why would he the child even bedown in this weird underground
tunnel?
Um and then he said, How didyou do research for this story

(01:10:46):
or for the antagonist Annie SakSoquin?
Um and he said, I read um Tim'sstory, so the book itself, and
then he said he did someresearch into Celtic um
mythology and the mythologybehind Halloween, um, and that
there really is a Celticfestival called the Harvest
Festival that has the idea thatum Celts were basically

(01:11:10):
celebrating a rebirth.
Um, so that's the HarvestFestival.
Um, and it came at the end ofevery fall.
Um, and they believed that asyou got closer and closer to the
end of the festival, the doorsof the spirit world open.
Um, which I feel like we hearthat a lot about Halloween.
Like that's that's in a lot ofHalloween movies about that

(01:11:30):
spirit doors open.

Wilson (01:11:32):
Yes, yeah.

Captain (01:11:33):
But I mean if it comes from true mythology, then that
makes sense.

Wilson (01:11:36):
Um Yeah, it doesn't make it any less tiresome after you
see it so many times, but I meanI agree with you.

Captain (01:11:44):
It's a little yeah.
I mean, I I want to do aHalloween movie during
Halloween, so it's either gonnabe this or I mean, yeah.

Wilson (01:11:53):
No, we I mean we needed to watch a Halloween movie.

Captain (01:11:56):
Um let's see, did you have a raise of glass for this
movie?

Wilson (01:12:01):
Um It might be yours.
I I was kind of thinking therewas another scene, but I think
definitely at least the traumadumping on that just like
unsuspecting teacher at thefestival.
Um I feel like there wasanother moment.

Captain (01:12:16):
There was a moment that made me laugh where the cop um
basically comes at Mike afterthe medium died in his house,
and Mike's like, You gotta lookinto this phantom, and he's
like, the phantom that stealskids, Mike?
Like, you're telling me thislady was flying around your
ceiling, and I don't know what'sgoing on, but I know a lot of
bad shit happens around you,dude.

Wilson (01:12:36):
Yeah, that was a good point.
And that yeah, so is that yourrazor glass?

Captain (01:12:40):
Honestly, I I really like that moment, but I actually
wrote one earlier in the movieum where it's like a very clear
reference to the shining.
So, because we see Charlieriding around on his scooter
when he's alive and well, um,and it's the camera's positioned
on the back of the scooter likeit is in the shining where the
kid's on the tricycle.

(01:13:00):
Um, and he's um he's rollingdown the hallway the exact same
way the kids rolling down thehallway in the shining, where
you get the view from the bikeitself.
Um and it's a very shortmoment, but I mean it definitely
seems like a reference to theshining, which I love I love to
see those.
Um, so I mean it's a razorscooter, so like not the same,

(01:13:21):
but but I I I it did seem like avery clear reference, which I
liked.
Um so I think that was my raiseof glass, and I raised my glass
to that.

Wilson (01:13:33):
Hey, my glass is empty, so I can't okay.

Captain (01:13:37):
Well, um yes.
So long story short, um verymid, um probably wouldn't
recommend.

Wilson (01:13:48):
Um, unless you're like a Nick Cage fan.
I like Nick Cage movies, likeno matter if they're good or
bad.

Captain (01:13:55):
Yeah, this is um Nick Cage's you know regular energy,
national treasure type energiesin this movie.

Wilson (01:14:01):
So Or uh if somebody's like a serial Wayne Callys super
fan.

Captain (01:14:07):
I guess.
I mean, I suppose she doesn'tdo too much in this movie, but
sure.
Um but yeah, I think if youwere Nick Cage fan, which
actually side real quick sidenote, but watching this movie
made me want to watch the moviewhere that famous meme came
from.

Wilson (01:14:25):
Oh, right.
You put it on the list.

Captain (01:14:26):
Yeah, I don't know if it's any good, but vampire, I
think it's called vampire kissor vampire's kiss, maybe.
Um, but I think Nick Cage turnsinto a vampire in that movie,
so that's why he gets like crazyeyes.

Wilson (01:14:38):
Mm-hmm.
Okay.

Captain (01:14:40):
Um yeah, I've never watched it, and I just I just
know the meme, obviously.
Um so anyway, yes, Vampire'sKiss, 1988.
Um, anyway, um, yeah, wouldn'trecommend.
Um so sorry.
Uh next week we're doing amovie called Below from 2002,

(01:15:03):
um, which is a submarine movie.
Um, and spooky stuff'shappening on the sub.

Wilson (01:15:10):
Which I wanted to talk about that one.

Captain (01:15:13):
Yeah, that that was, I think, a pick after we put the
abyss on the list because I waslike, oh, I like these
underwater movies.
I want to do more.
Um, so yes.
Um, oh lordy.
Hmm.
I know you have a question forme, and I'm thinking about how
to answer it, and I'm not sure.

Wilson (01:15:34):
I'll ask it really slowly.

Captain (01:15:36):
Oh no.

Wilson (01:15:37):
Um, so Captain.

Captain (01:15:40):
Oh no, yeah.

Wilson (01:15:42):
Um I could how about this?
If.
Hmm.

Captain (01:15:48):
Because like the thing is, like, Nick Cage didn't
really do anything wrong.
Like, I don't think he reallylike let the kids we don't see
him like be careless with hisson.
So it's like, you know what Imean?

Wilson (01:15:58):
Like you can't even say What about like uh let's say
you're in a village and everyonethinks you're the cause for
like them all getting COVID orsomething and they're coming
after you.
What are you gonna do?
What's like how do you do youchant things?

(01:16:19):
Oh do you invoke a crone?

Captain (01:16:22):
Invoke a crone.
Um see, I don't see that's atough one because in the 1600s
everything smelled bad.
Like that's my first thought,and I wouldn't want to be alive
when everything smelled bad.
So I feel like I would just letthem kill me because everything
would be so smelly.

Wilson (01:16:39):
Um let's say it's current day.

Captain (01:16:43):
Like everyone think I'm a witch.

Wilson (01:16:45):
Let's say like everyone in your office is like, you are
the reason why we all have thecommon cold or COVID.

Captain (01:16:54):
I think in that type of situation, I'd say get a
lawyer.

Wilson (01:16:59):
Is that what is that what Sarah or Anna, whatever is
Sockwin?

Captain (01:17:03):
I keep I keep wanting to say Pacquin.

Wilson (01:17:06):
I know.
Um she should have been upthere like I want a lawyer.

Captain (01:17:10):
I want a lawyer.
I want the town lawyer.
Um no, I feel like she, I feellike I kind of agree with her
that like she was gonna getburned at a stake.
You might as well go out, likeblaze and voke the crone.
Yeah, invoke it.
You know, serve it, give it,venge it, vote it mama work.
Exactly, exactly work.