Personal Shopper

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This week, we explore the haunting psychological thriller "Personal Shopper," where Kristen Stewart plays Maureen, a young medium trying to contact her dead twin brother while working as a personal shopper in Paris.

The film discussion begins around 15:43.

Episode Transcript

Wilson (00:20):
let me look.
I mean, I'm probably honestly,I'm probably gonna watch the new
episode of dexter when we'redone.

Captain (00:25):
Oh, my God.

Wilson (00:28):
Severance, that's not what I said, but yeah, we
haven't started the new seasonyet.

Captain (00:35):
Ew.

Wilson (00:35):
I think we're going to wait till they're all out.
Well wait, I think till likemaybe there's like two episodes
left and then we'll catch up.

Captain (00:44):
It's really good.
Honestly, it's so hard to waituntil Friday, because it's like
Severance and Dexter and it'slike okay, but what do I do in
between?
Do you watch Invincible?

Wilson (00:57):
That cartoon?
Yeah, no, I don't, but I heardit's really good.

Captain (01:01):
Yeah, the new season just started back up.
Actually, I think it all cameout or something, or like.
But I heard it's really good.
Yeah, the new season juststarted back.
Just started back up.
Actually, I think it all cameout or something, or like half
of it it's like not week by weekI mean, yeah, I heard it's good
.

Wilson (01:11):
Wow, my head is like so itchy from this, like bleach or
whatever, oh my gosh, you gottaput a um.

Captain (01:18):
What's that called like ?
Um, uh, like a scalp, a hairmask, where it moisturizes A
hair mask.

Wilson (01:26):
I've never heard of a hair mask before.
Why are?

Captain (01:28):
you offended A hair mask.

Wilson (01:33):
I've never heard of this , but I just Googled it.

Captain (01:35):
It's hydrating.
I don't know if it actuallydoes anything for your scalp
specifically.

Wilson (01:39):
Well, I know, when I was walking home, my scalp felt
tight as fuck.
I'm sure it like took all theoils out of my head are you like
?

Captain (01:52):
okay, I mean, did your hairdresser like say anything
about like?

Wilson (01:55):
she did check in a couple times to be like are you
okay?

Captain (01:59):
uh, but every time I get my hair done, they're like
okay, let me know it's burning.

Wilson (02:03):
And even if it burns, I'm like it's fine, I don't care
, oh yeah, I mean, like I don'tknow what they're gonna do, like
you really want me like if Isay it burns, they're gonna wash
it out and try again or they'rejust gonna give up and it's not
gonna look the way you want itto yeah so I'm like I'm not
dying, so let's just do thisyeah, I'm surprised.
I mean, I don't think I've everbeen that reactive to bleach,

(02:26):
though well, I mean like I wasnot dying, but my head I could
definitely feel it felt a littletoasty.
A couple people walked by likeother stylists.
They're like you should do yourbeard.
I was like I'm not gonna dothat oh, oh, I never even
thought about that.
In two days I would have rootsshowing or whatever.

Captain (02:48):
I never even thought about.
Do men dye their beards?
I guess they do.

Wilson (02:51):
I don't know.
I've seen the eyebrows.
Yeah, For my complexion.
I don't want to see.

Captain (02:59):
It's going to be an Ariana Grande situation where
you're just all one shade.

Wilson (03:04):
Yeah, I'm not gonna do that, but oh they the stylist
there loved it when I uh, when Iwas about to leave, like
another stylist came up and it'slike let me just take some
pictures, and she had me likerotate and she took like
different.
It's like I've been.

Captain (03:21):
I have been the rotating hair picture wow, it's
a nice compliment but it's, it'sreally just they want to like
photograph their nice work ohyeah, and I'm totally fine with
that.
Yeah I, yes, but I I know, Iknow how it feels and you're
like I'm a gem yeah, so I'vebeen there okay, I also okay

(03:44):
quickly.
I know it's been like 10minutes.
I did want to talk about umwolfman oh shit.
Well, you hadn't seen it, butum oh wait.

Wilson (03:51):
So how is it?
Because it looks like it couldbe terrible, but I do like.
What's her face, julia?

Captain (03:56):
I love her.
It's like a really common nameheart hatter or heart something
julia.

Wilson (04:03):
What?

Captain (04:03):
I don't know.
It's like a really, it's areally common.

Wilson (04:08):
Julia Garner yeah, there we go, okay, yeah.

Captain (04:11):
That was close but so like it's one of those movies
where I liked it.
But I do think the trailergives a lot.

Wilson (04:24):
Okay, I remember thinking that I saw the trailer
and I was like I just saw thewhole movie.

Captain (04:28):
Yeah, you don't see all the movie and there's a little
bit of story that you get whichhelps tie it together.
But it's a really good moviewhere it's like, if you want a
monster like here it is, but Idoes definitely like lose some
steam.
It's not bad, but it doesdefinitely like lose some steam,
it's not bad.
It's not a bad movie.
But I wouldn't like necessarilysay like you have to see it.

Wilson (04:51):
Did you Letterboxd rate it?
I forget.

Captain (04:52):
I did.
I think I gave it a three.
Let's see you really got me onthis thing.
I can't believe you have me onhere on this thing.
I can't believe you have me onhere, um, and I hate how fucking

(05:14):
like not intuitive.

Wilson (05:15):
It is um.
Oh, I gave it a three and ahalf.

Captain (05:16):
Okay, okay, not terrible that sounds.
That's watchable then um, okay,but companion, we both saw oh
yeah, I I thought that it wasreally good.
I think the reason why I wasn'tblown away is because, like I
told you, there's a book thathas a very similar premise and I
didn't know that that's wherethe movie was going.

(05:36):
Like, I don't know if you wantto talk about spoilers, but um,
spoilers, spoilers, spoilersyeah, okay, I didn't realize
that she was a robot, becausethey don't give that away in the
trailer.

Wilson (05:49):
I think so.
Trailer number one they don't.
I think trailer number two theydo oh.

Captain (05:54):
I see.

Wilson (05:54):
I saw that one.

Captain (05:57):
Yeah, there's a very similar book that I read like
not even that long ago, like, Ithink, in December.
That has a similar plot wherethere's a robot that's like very
intelligent and is like youknow, either you use them as
like a nanny or a cook or like asex bot.
So I was like oh.

(06:18):
And then, of course, you knowcreatures that are that sentient
, even if they're robotic.
They're like well, hold on,Other people are free.
Yeah, why am I not but it?
What's weird is that shedoesn't know she's a robot,
which I feel like is reallyfreaky.
Like I was trying to think,like if I found out that I like,

(06:40):
as I am living right now, thatI am a robot, what would that do
?
I don't know.
Have you ever put yourself inthat thought?

Wilson (06:51):
I have not had that thought experiment yet.

Captain (06:54):
I was trying to think.
I was like what would it reallychange All my memories that I
have?
I feel like they're mine andthe life I've been living is
still the life I've been living.

Wilson (07:04):
And like the life I've been living is still the life
I've been living.
I think in my mind for thatmovie the revelation isn't or
like the big wow, isn't so muchthat she's a robot, it's.
She realizes she's a robot andeverything that she's
experienced so far was fake,Like I think.
Realizing like all of hermemories mostly were fake is
like the big deal.

Captain (07:25):
She's been used as a setup from the jump Like she was
there to be the scapegoat.

Wilson (07:31):
Yeah, like I think she would have been fine, or she is
fine realizing she's a robot.
But realizing she was used andshe has fake memories is like
the big thing.

Captain (07:40):
That girl is coming up as like upcoming scream queen,
yeah, sophie.
Yeah, she's, yeah, yeah, likeheretic was so good and this,
and she's in um yellow jacketsyeah.

Wilson (07:52):
So, like I was, this movie did like goop and gag me.

Captain (07:57):
Uh, I thought it was like what was like what was like
your big like.

Wilson (08:01):
Oh, love this well, so walking out of it.
I do wish I did not realize shewas a robot, because I would
love to have experienced thatscene where he's like Iris, shut
off or whatever, go to sleep.
That was me and her like yeah,so I would have really liked
that moment.
But I think the movie keptsurprising me.

Captain (08:23):
Yeah, you get lines ahead of that that are confusing
.
But because when that girl saysone of the girls doesn't like,
her was like, you make me feellike I'm replaceable.
And um he, she does that weirdthing where he said what's the
weather and she can like say itrobotically.
So you're like this is weird,but like you're not, I don't
know.
I wasn't really putting thepieces together.
Um, jay said he figured it outbefore that reveal, but I, I

(08:46):
don't know, I just wasn't.
I was just like watching it forwhat it is.
Then I was like, oh and then.
But as soon as it happened, Iwas like immediately came back
to that book because I likehadn't read it that long ago and
I was like, damn, I feel like Ihave to stop reading books
because I feel like they'reruining movies and tv shows.
But, um, I don't know, have you?
I I told you about the book,but I don't know how much you

(09:08):
really like read, uh, sci-fi,like weird, like they're not,
they're like drama, sci-fi orcomedy, sci-fi.

Wilson (09:15):
I mean the book sounds good.
I have I've been taking like alittle break from reading and I
very recently got back into it,so like I just started another
book, so like it would be awhile I I'm trying to make my
reading goal this year of 40books okay, I know that's
impressive I feel like I haven'tbeen like that, but I don't
know the kindle man, the kindlehas like I I don't, yeah, I

(09:40):
don't think I read any books.
last year I didn did an audiobook and then I didn't finish it
because I got so tired of it.
Wilson, you're not the kind ofbook you like.
Did you read their guest list?
Mm-mm oh.

Captain (09:52):
Was that?

Wilson (09:53):
I think in book form it might be better, but I was
listening to it on drivesbecause we've done a lot of long
drives recently and I'm like Icannot listen to these people
drone on about their problems.

Captain (10:03):
Based on the front of this book.
I would hate this book.
Is it good?

Wilson (10:08):
It's interesting.
It's like a murder mystery.
I feel like it's recent.

Captain (10:15):
There's a bunch of ones on here.
You're going to have to send methe one that you were talking
about.

Wilson (10:19):
Okay yeah, each chapter is like from a perspective of a
different character.
It is from, oh I differentcharacter.
It is from oh, I got it, it's2020.
It's by Lucy Foley.

Captain (10:30):
The guest book.

Wilson (10:32):
The guest list.

Captain (10:34):
Oh, I looked at the wrong thing.
Oh, oh.
I've seen the front of thisbook before, but I did not read
it.

Wilson (10:44):
Okay.

Captain (10:44):
Yeah, it's one of the good reads awards.
Um, yeah, I, I the kindle hasreally.
Oh my gosh, that's what Iwanted to tell you.
Sorry, I know we have to getinto this, but, um, okay, for
christmas I got I, I asked forthis, so, like, I'm glad I got
it, but I, I it's I already putin the work to know what I
wanted but.

(11:04):
I saw this on tiktok, where Ican't remember I brought this up
, but there's a.
There was a girl who wasreading her kindle burrito in a
blanket with a remote controland a stand yeah, oh, got it for
christmas got it for christmas.
Oh my god, I am a burritoedtucked and but like I tucked how
do you not fall asleepimmediately?

Wilson (11:25):
because sometimes the books are really good but I'm
burritoed, tucked, and.
But like I tucked, how do younot fall asleep?

Captain (11:27):
immediately, because sometimes the books are really
good.
But I'm burritoed in, I have myremotes in my hands inside the
burrito and then, I'm like thethe kindle is is like on a stand
where I'm laying down and it'slike facing me perfectly.
Oh, it is so comforting.
I was like I could be hereforever.
It's so good.

Wilson (11:44):
I've seen videos of that .
It does look very nice.
I just think I would fallasleep.
Oh my.

Captain (11:48):
God, it's so good.
I mean I fall asleep, butthat's the whole point.
It's like I read until I'msleepy.

Wilson (11:53):
Yeah that's fair.

Captain (11:54):
But yeah, I've already read four books this year, Nice,
okay.

Wilson (12:08):
I'm reading is it was written right at the beginning
of COVID, so it's like it's veryheavy in talking about lockdown
and, like Trump, it's in thebook yes, and it's.
I'm like I don't know if I wantto read this.
It still feels too soon there'syeah, I could.

Captain (12:26):
Yeah.
I'm like I don't know if I wantto read this.
It still feels too soon.
There's yeah, I could.
Yeah, I don't know if.
I want to read that, to behonest.
But yeah, there was an author Ifound recently that I oh, Noel,
I don't know how to say thelast name, but I actually found
an author recently that I reallylike.
How do you say the last name?
I-h-l-i.

Wilson (12:47):
I-H-L-I Illy.

Captain (12:50):
Is that it Illy?

Wilson (12:51):
I have no idea.
That's just what I would guess.

Captain (12:53):
Yeah, noelle Illy, I really like her.
I found her one of her.
I like thriller horror books.

Wilson (13:01):
Oh yeah, Shock.

Captain (13:11):
Que sorpresa.

Wilson (13:11):
Yeah, thriller horror books, oh yeah, shock, um yeah,
but um yeah, I really like herright, tanga, I'd really like it
too.

Captain (13:14):
Then, yeah, and then there's the other one.
I feel like this is verytargeted towards um women, but
the one that, oh man, I cannotremember her name, but she
writes like a gazillion books.

Wilson (13:29):
Is that helpful?

Captain (13:30):
I think she has one coming out soon.
Oh, Frida McFadden, have youheard of her?
Oh my gosh, she writes likethat lady's written probably
like 60 books and they're allvery similar.
But like I don't know, they hit, so I'm not even mad about it
I'm uh, I'm trying to look up abook.

Wilson (13:49):
I think it was like a honestly a james patterson book.

Captain (13:52):
Um, are those good?
I?
Don't know there's so manythere was.

Wilson (13:56):
There was a really good mystery slash horror book that I
, like finn and I both read.
Uh, I don't know for sure itwas him.
It was somebody him or JamesPatterson adjacent I'll just try
to find it but it was actuallyreally good.
I heard he uses ghostwritersand it's like oh well isn't he

(14:20):
like 90?

Captain (14:23):
I don't really know, I might be making that up but I
swear that man looks really oldand he's looked really old for a
long time.
But I could be making aterrible mistake.

Wilson (14:32):
He is 77.

Captain (14:36):
Does that man look any different than he looked like 20
years ago though?

Wilson (14:39):
I mean, I don't know anything about this guy besides
some of his books and that hewrites.
That's all I know.

Captain (14:49):
He'd be writing.

Wilson (14:50):
He'd be writing Okay, I'm going to try to figure out
that book.

Captain (14:57):
Okay, I love the Shuno Okay Last book.
I'm working on a new movie.
I'm so sorry.
I think I mentioned this to youbefore, but Dark Matter is by
far like the best book I've everread.
Love that book so good, youshould get into it.
I don't think I know a singleperson that would not like that
book.
It's so good.

Wilson (15:15):
Damn.

Captain (15:16):
that is a glowing review, it is an insanely good
book Like I could not, I don'twant to like over I good book
like I could not, I, I don'twant to I don't want to like
over.

Wilson (15:27):
I don't think I could.
It's, it's really good anyway.
Okay, can you remind me whenwe're not recording, and then
I'll look it up fine, okay, um.

Captain (15:32):
Are you ready?

Wilson (15:33):
let's pop in you got your drink, I got my drink, I
got a, I got a kona I got apremiere, all right.

Captain (15:43):
Welcome to the 166th episode of the red room podcast,
where we review horror movieswhile enjoying an adult beverage
or two, and I'm captain and I'mwilson and this week we're
reviewing the 2016 supernaturalpsychological thriller film uh.

Wilson (16:01):
Personal shopper which is uh a last minute replacement
yes of what we are going towatch and that is crimes of the
future.

Captain (16:09):
Wilson's fault, because that movie sucked.
I could yeah, I was like Ithink that was me that suggested
it yeah, you said you've alwayswanted to watch it, that that
movie I didn't even finish itwas it.
Was the ending worth it or no?

Wilson (16:25):
uh, I mean, in a way I'm glad I finished it because I
could like see what, what storythey were trying to tell, but it
like wasn't worth it um, yeah,based on what I had already seen
, I was like I don't, this isnot for me, so we watched
videodrome for the podcast, Ithink.
I think that was another one ofthese movies but it's like on

(16:47):
brand with that, like um, Idon't think we did it for the
podcast, but I watched the movieExistence several years ago,
which is another DavidCronenberg movie, and it feels a
lot like it with like thefleshy controls like he loves,
just like weird fleshy yeah, hedid the fly too, right.

Captain (17:08):
Yeah, which I mean the flies the flies.

Wilson (17:10):
Amazing, like great movie I don't know.

Captain (17:13):
I feel like cronenberg's just gotta, like,
just gotta you gotta put the.
The body sticks down.
I just I wasn't, did you?

Wilson (17:22):
so did you get to the part in the movie that I
referenced in my letterboxdreview with like the zipper
stomach?

Captain (17:28):
I think so.
Okay, I was like it's liketowards the beginning, right.

Wilson (17:32):
I think, and like the girl like, makes out with his
stomach.

Captain (17:37):
Oh, I did not see that.
No, he gets like a.

Wilson (17:41):
He gets like a surgery and he has a zipper in his
stomach and he like unzips itand she like makes out with the
wound.
Boy, I did not see that and I'mso glad I did not, that's why
in my review I was, likehonorable mention, to like the
slurping down some stomach zippussy.

Captain (18:04):
Because, like no, I did not see that.
I thought you were talkingabout the laparoscopic surgery
in the beginning.
Like where they're tattooinghis organ or whatever.
No, no, that's not I got to thepart where there's that man

(18:26):
who's like a stupid performanceartist, who has like a bunch of
ears all over his body, and Iwas like what the fuck am I
watching?
Yeah it's just a miss for me azillion nominations and awards
that movie yeah, it's.
I mean I'm not gonna like yucksomebody's yum, but it's like

(18:47):
not for me I don't, I'm gonnayuck it, fuck that shit yeah, I
don't, so we switched kids andfuck you too uh, so we switched
a personal shopper and this oneand the main reason for this,
which is that I already preppedthe movie and I was like well,
kristen stewart, I can keep herline as it is yeah, it takes

(19:08):
like so much effort to changethat, but like I did want to do
personal shoppers, but on mylist because it sounded
interesting when I originallyheard about it.

Wilson (19:17):
Not the movie that I thought it was, but no yeah,
like I thought I was confusingthis movie with uh, a personal
favor.
Oh, a simple favor with likeblake lively and uh anna
kendrick and I thought it wasgonna be like that caliber of
movie.
Um, I will also preface and sayI went to a happy hour right

(19:39):
before I watched this movie.
So, like in the last 40 minutesI fell asleep.
No, I woke up at the very endand then I like, uh, like fast
forward.
I rewound, fast forwardedthrough the last 40 minutes and
I was like, oh, interesting Ifeel like you missed so much at
the end there, dude, oh I mean Ieventually I think I got all

(20:01):
the pieces and I read about itafterwards, so like I can at
least talk about it well, themovie.

Captain (20:06):
Well, hold on.
Okay, we haven't even gottenthat far in the movie.
It was directed by Oliver.
Oh, assias, assias ass.
Yes, I don't know, oh ass, yes,it's probably like a science or
something um, yeah, he's french, he has a lot of french stuff,

(20:27):
but um, he's got a real thingfor irma vep, if you've ever
heard of that.

Wilson (20:32):
Who is that?
Is that a person?

Captain (20:34):
irma.
That is a character that Ithink was like originally, like
a broadway play in like 1912 orsomething, but it's an anagram
for a vampire okay and there'sum.
I've seen the.
I saw this in like a, a localtheater group, but they did I
can't remember what it wascalled.
It was like the mystery of armavep, I think, um, and I didn't

(20:57):
realize when I was watching.
I don't know anything aboutarma vep, but it was like it's
just a character that they do alot of.
It's just she's like it's ananagram for vampire and she's,
like, you know, a vampire.
So there's been like a bunch ofdifferent, like variations of
like the mystery of Irma Vep,whether it's like on Broadway or
a local theater, or this guydid um like a tv show and a

(21:18):
movie, with Irma Veps like thecharacter I'm guessing all
french uh, yeah, I think yeahyeah, yeah one of them's on hbo,
though hbo max um, I don't knowif it's dubbed or it's just in
french, but I, I just I onlyknow about irma vep the
character because I watched themystery of irma vep in this like
local theater production.

(21:38):
It was pretty good uh.
But yeah, you like find out inthe thing that it's an anagram
for vampire and it's like she'sa vampire, um.
But yeah, he like does he'sdone multiple arm of up stuff
and I was like, oh, he likesthis oh, so that's why he like
picked kristen stewart.

Wilson (21:56):
He's like maybe.

Captain (21:58):
Yeah, he said that he well, it's kind of hot goose,
but he did write this role forkristen stewart.
This whole movie was forkristen stewart wow, okay but so
yeah.
So kristen stewart playsmaureen cartwright, the main
character.
She's in a bunch of stuff likebella from twilight.
She was in panic room, which wedid for the podcast, though,
and I have no idea what thatsquelch is like a hundred, and

(22:22):
oh, was it that had to be anoldie you think so?

Wilson (22:25):
I really don't remember doing that one that much I feel
like it was not that old maybe.

Captain (22:30):
Maybe I'll go down a little, maybe like 94, no, do I
also have to guess?
Yes, and then I'm gonna guess65 and then you, then are you
looking?

Wilson (22:40):
I am looking.
It was.
Do you want to hear it?

Captain (22:43):
Yeah.

Wilson (22:44):
It was 86.
So you win.

Captain (22:47):
We're kind of right in the middle.
But oh well, yeah, okay, soyeah.
And then she was in Snow Whiteand the Huntsman.
Oh, I had Personal Shopperlater on the list.
That's why I said, oh, I hadPersonal Shopper later on the
list.
That's why I said, oh,underwater, she's in that one.

Wilson (23:01):
That was a good movie.
That's a good movie.
We should do that one.
We could.

Captain (23:05):
It's a thriller, sci-fi .

Wilson (23:07):
Well, you haven't seen it.

Captain (23:08):
I think I have seen it, but I don't remember what I
would call it.

Wilson (23:11):
It's sci-fi.

Captain (23:17):
Sci-fi, I would say sci , and then Lars E oh.

Wilson (23:21):
Lars Herb Herdinger.

Captain (23:24):
Yeah, lars E Dinger as Ingo and he's European and you
don't have to put European films.
But he was in Dumbo, the TimBurton Dumbo from 2019.

Wilson (23:36):
Didn't watch it, but okay.

Captain (23:38):
Okay, and then there's like Kyrie, who's played by Nora
oh gosh, waldstatten, I don'tknow.
She was in stuff.
I didn't really recognize anyof it.
I think there's a lot of Frenchand European people.

Wilson (23:52):
Okay, so they're not in like Hollywood blockbusters.

Captain (23:56):
And then Anders Danielsen-Lai was Erwin, but
he's only in like five minutes.

Wilson (24:02):
Is that the boyfriend or whatever?

Captain (24:04):
No, he is the.

Wilson (24:09):
Or Kyra's like.
Was it Kyra's boyfriend or no?
That's Ingo.

Captain (24:14):
Erwin is her sister-in-law's New boyfriend.

Wilson (24:19):
At the very end.
Five minutes.
Okay, so, maureen kristenstewart.

Captain (24:28):
She so like the synopsis always says she's a
personal shopper and you're like, yes, but I feel like that's
really not the main that's notyeah like, every time I read a
synopsis or a plot summary, it'salways like so she's a personal
shopper in paris and you'relike okay, like yes, but that's
not really it doesn't feel likethat's the focus.

(24:48):
That's not the focus of themovie.
So, yes, she's a personalshopper to a supermodel, kairi
um, but really what she'sfocused on is her twin brother
died of a heart condition likewhat three months ago, and
something like that.
They made a pact with eachother that if whoever died first
, they would like send them asign from the other side that

(25:10):
there is something, that thereis an afterlife.
And that's because they bothfelt very spiritual and that
they were.
They were both had like amedium ability.

Wilson (25:20):
So yes, so she's like looking into the house that he
died in to like try to contacthim yeah.

Captain (25:27):
So like it starts, the movie starts out with her like
looking through that house.
I'm not really sure what therole of those two people that
want to buy the house are like.
I don't know who they were inrelation to her twin brother
well.

Wilson (25:40):
So I think, yeah, I was confused about that, but I think
we're mostly mostly relation toher twin brother, well.
So I think, yeah, I wasconfused about that, but I think
we're mostly talking to hersister-in-law-ish.
And then I think at thebeginning we were just talking
to people that were maybe buyingit, that wanted a house or
something.

Captain (25:53):
They said that, oh man, I can't remember what his name
was the brother.

Wilson (26:00):
Lewis.

Captain (26:01):
Oh yeah, they were likewis really loved you guys
and you guys are really close,so I think you'd be happy that
you guys have this house and Iwas like, who are these people?
Yes, and I think, uh, we dostart to see like little wispies
yeah, so like kristen stewart'sin this house and she's hearing
noises and she's trying to likeum, I don't know, get, get like

(26:24):
speak to lewis, but she doesget like little wispies and
that's about it.
She doesn't really get uh proof.

Wilson (26:29):
She's like looking for like hard evidence yeah, um, and
I went in blind to this movieand I was like very shocked when
I was like oh, we're likeseeing ghosts.

Captain (26:39):
Yeah, she like actually sees wispies, um, and then, as
she's seeing this, it's likeweird.
She goes through phases whereshe says like I don't really
believe in this stuff.
But lewis really did to beinglike well, you know, like I am a
medium and you're like okay,but where do you actually lie,
like fall in right of this, butfor the most part I feel like

(26:59):
she doesn't really believe.
But she's like looking for whatis the um fox molder.
I want to believe like she'slike looking for reasons or like
ways to believe in it and shewants that closure too like
that's the only reason she'sstaying in paris yeah, and as
she like talks to people, Ithink she like looks up like
other people who have doneseances, like oh, I wanted to

(27:21):
look that up, hilda Af Klint orwhatever they were talking about
.
Is that a real person?

Wilson (27:26):
Oh yeah.
So throughout this movie shewas watching videos of seances
Of other famous people.
Yeah.

Captain (27:33):
Yeah, oh, wow, this is real Interesting.
So Helma Af Klint was a swedishartist who did these like
mystic paintings it's basicallyabstract art, but it was like
way before abstract art wasfounded, like this is what 1860
like before that even concept ofthat was.

(27:53):
She was born in 1860, beforethe concept of abstract art.
She was like doing these likereally intricate abstract arts
styles, um, and she said that itwas her way of the spirits,
like working through her tospeak to the living.
So they like bring them up inthe movie.
It's cool that that's real.
Um, and then while you knowshe's trying to look into this

(28:14):
stuff with her brother, she yeah, she is happens to be personal
shopping for this famous person.
We do meet what her friendslash boyfriend, gary over Skype
, briefly in the beginning, whoI don't even know what that man
is doing, laying cables orsomething.

Wilson (28:36):
Yeah, he's just like, has to be away somewhere.

Captain (28:38):
He's like in whatever must mascot is, I don't know,
but he's be away somewhere.
He's in whatever Muscat is, Idon't know, but he's away
basically.
It's basically to show you thatshe doesn't have a lot of
connections to people.
All she really has is her bossthat she works for.

Wilson (28:52):
She doesn't really see her a lot they miss each other a
lot and just pass notes andbags.
Also, her character feels superlesbian-coded'm like she has a
boyfriend.

Captain (29:07):
I feel like kristen stewart never is like.
She's never not lesbian codedyeah, yeah she just always is
like a very metro type ofcharacter, um, but I think
that's kind of how she is inreal life.
I just based on what I've heardher this was kristen stewart.

Wilson (29:24):
Yeah, not in character, just I don't want to be rude, I
don't want to be mean, but Ifeel like kristen stewart
doesn't have a lot of range, butshe people love yeah people
love the acting that she doesand I'm like isn't she basically
just her, but like more awkwardI have seen her do some like

(29:47):
good acting in movies, but it is, like you know, like the same
character plus or minus yeahlike yeah this movie has good
reviews and it's like mostlybecause they loved kristen
stewart's acting and I'm likeacting it's like 80, I feel like
it's just her I will say likeoh my gosh.

Captain (30:09):
Um, this was like semi shortly after twilight, so like
compared to that I think itshows a lot more twilight, but I
do see a lot of twilight scriptis rough um, yeah, but anyway,
yeah, I don't even know why Igot on, okay, so anyway, yes, we

(30:31):
meet, um, uh.
So she goes to kairi'sapartment one day and we meet
ingo, who is Kairi's lover, andthey end up talking about Louis
and her brother, because they'reboth like waiting for Kairi to
get off this phone call thatshe's on.
So she ends up giving him likeinformation, like yes, me and my
brother were both mediums.

(30:52):
I loved him.
We made this oath where we'llsend like a sign in the
afterlife.
And she even says like I don'tnecessarily believe in all that
stuff, but I want to.
He deserves that.
I give him a chance to prove itbasically to me.
So like we get that wholeconversation and like it's not
super like flirty or anything,but there is kind of like a vibe
happening.

(31:12):
But Ingo says to her like youknow, kairi told me to leave,
but I'm just going to sit hereand wait until she's done with
her phone call.
And he says, like I think hesays I think she's going to
break up with me because herhusband is getting suspicious.
And you're like, oh, okay, solike that's what you're doing
over here.
Yeah and yeah.

(31:35):
So I don't.
I don't remember how thatconversation ends, but basically
that's what they talk about.
I think Kristen Stewart goesback to that house that her
brother was in and we get thefull ghost scene.
I don't know if you were awakefor this or not.

Wilson (31:54):
Yeah, I think.

Captain (31:54):
no, I was still here for this one there's a big ghost
scene where she gets a ghostbut screams at her and glass
shattersatters.
It's all just a bunch of whitewispies, but I think it's a
feminine ghost, right yeah, Imean.

Wilson (32:10):
Yes, I couldn't necessarily tell from the scenes
, but I do see the descriptionis identifying female versus
male oh, a female specter yeahso basically she knows it's not
lewis really is.
What is what's happening um andthen it's like lewis wouldn't
do that.
Yeah, I don't fucking know um.

Captain (32:32):
So, uh, we get, we, we see her, she's okay, so,
whatever.
Like she had a, she had a toughtime like it.
It was weird.
She was uh unsettled by thatevent.
But anyway, she has to go backto her personal shopping job.
So she gets on this train thenext day and this is kind of
where the movie takes a turn.
So she gets on the train thenext day and as she's on the
train, she starts getting thesetext messages from an unknown

(32:53):
number that are like hey, um,you know me.
Uh, I don't remember exactlyhow they started, but instead of
like, it starts being weird,like I'm watching you, I'm on
this train with you, and then,because I think she wants to
think it's Louis, right, yeah.
She wants to think it's a signfrom him.
So she even says, like Louis,she's so ready to believe.

(33:18):
Like I feel like when theproblem is, if you make a pact
like that, anything can bemisconstrued into a sign.
Oh yeah, yeah, like it's notfair to put that on somebody, or
somebody care enough about itthat it matters that much
because you're gonna misconstrueanything into a sign oh yeah,
because this definitely justsounds like a creep.

Wilson (33:39):
He's also like I'm in london and she gets to one or
whatever and he's like, justkidding, I'm not here yeah, the
messages are so weird and I'mlike girl, why are you
entertaining this?

Captain (33:51):
but I saw that like, basically, we see how lonely she
is.
She doesn't have her brother,she doesn't have her boyfriend,
all she has is her sister-in-law, who's like not really with her
, um, that much.
And then so like I think sheentertains the texting because
she's lonely, um, but she wouldnever catch me do that.

(34:11):
But because the texts get weird.
They're like you know um, what?
Like?
It doesn't say like, what likegets you going, but it says
something along those lines oflike you know, like what I can't
even remember.
So he talks about trying onthose dresses and I don't.

Wilson (34:30):
It's not like I don't remember what word they use, but
it's like, uh, fear orsomething oh yeah, I was like,
uh, basically pointing out that,like she was trying on these
clothes because she's afraid,and that's like what's hot.

Captain (34:43):
Yeah, yeah.
So she's like not allowed totry on her, on her boss's super
nice clothing, like her boss hastold her she doesn't want her
to do that and you know.
But she's like, well, I thinkthe person's like, well, don't
you want to the unknown numbers?
Like, don't you want to like besomeone different?
Don't you want to be someonedifferent?
Don't you want to do somethingdaring?
I don't know.
The texts get weird and creepyand there's a lot of them that

(35:08):
go on all day, multiple days,trying to get her to do other
stuff.

Wilson (35:15):
Yeah.

Captain (35:16):
But the weirdest thing is that she does end up doing
some of that stuff, like themessages like encourage her to
indulge, that's what it wasForbidden desires.
So she ends up like gettingback to Kyrie's place that
evening trying on her clothesand then by far the worst scene

(35:39):
is that she like starts layingon Kyrie's bed text in the
summer and then she masturbateson that bed in her clothing and
I'm like that is so like?
What a violation Is that?
A poor one out Is that?

Wilson (35:54):
That's a poor one out.

Captain (35:55):
That's a poor one out yeah.

Wilson (35:57):
Like one.
I was uncomfortable because shemight get caught at any moment,
but it's also like yes, yeahlike one.
I was uncomfortable because shemight get caught at any moment,
but it's like, and this likenumber is like wanting you to do
it it's, it's so, it is souncomfortable.

Captain (36:08):
Um, yeah and yeah, she's, and then she falls asleep
in her boss's bed, which islike, even weirder, like it's so
risky, they yeah and likebecause she's not even just
trying on her boss's clothes.
Like I don't think she tries onher boss's underwear, but even
just trying on her boss'sclothes, like I don't think she
tries on her boss's underwear,but she does try on her boss's
like shapewear and bra and I'mlike all right, we're, this is a
lot of you're putting on toomuch stuff, it's a lot of skin

(36:31):
touching things like we.
Why, I don't know.
It's very weird, like I don'tlike it, um, but yeah, so it
gets.
It gets weird and this unknownnumber knows all the stuff that
she's doing.
She even takes pictures forthis unknown number, so like
they're in it with her and thenI don't.

(36:55):
I think the unknown numberleaves a key card for her to go
to this hotel room.

Wilson (37:02):
Yeah.

Captain (37:02):
And she puts on one of Kyrie's like new dresses, but
when she goes to the room it'sempty and when she attempts to
investigate, like who bookedthat room, to figure out who
this number is, it's under hername and the room was paid for
in cash.
So we literally have no ideaand it's kind of like implying
that.
Like I mean, maybe it's kind oflike implying that, like I mean
, maybe it's a human, but likemaybe it is lewis, because I

(37:23):
think that's kind of like youknow, we know that's what she's
looking for um so my computer isdying oh, no sorry hold on, I'm
gonna go plug it in okay.

Wilson (37:36):
Well, while you're doing that, I will say when I woke up
, I was like rewinding every 10seconds and I kept seeing these
scenes that got progressivelymore intense and I was like what
did I miss?
What happened?
And one of them was like thathotel scene.

(37:56):
I was like oh well, she's inthe hotel room, and then
somebody's getting arrested.

Captain (38:01):
Wait, wait, hold on.
There's two hotel scenes okayso you're you're talking about
the second one okay, um I'mtrying to.
There's too many k balls, okaythere we go um, yeah, so the
first one, like it doesn'treally lead anywhere.
She's like um, like goaded orwhat's that word.

Wilson (38:26):
She's like I think that's the right word, yeah um.

Captain (38:29):
But then she goes there and like she's just blue, bald
or whatever, the fuck um, um.
And then after that I think sheoh yeah, she has to do more
shopping for kairi Gets her somejewelry or whatever, goes to
her apartment and this is reallylike the big kicker.
She opens Kairi's bedroom doorbecause she's like are you in

(38:50):
there?
Like there's some sounds orsomething, and Kairi is, there's
blood all over her bedroom.
And then she opens her closetwhere the clothes were, where
kristen stewart was literallyjust fucking around in there the
night before yeah and kairi'slike bloody body is like all
over the closet she's like deadass dead yes, yes, she's dead,

(39:13):
ass dead, but like it's brutalyeah girl is like there's blood
everywhere like that's not justa kill, that's like you had a
grudge there's bloody handprintson the wall.
It's bad, it is gruesome andkristen stewart is freaked out.
But I don't.
I I still don't understand.
Like she doesn't call thepolice, like she oh, that's
right, there's a figure in theapartment, she can see there's a

(39:36):
figure in the apartment, so sheflees.

Wilson (39:38):
But like she doesn't call the police, she just runs
well, I think she eventuallydoes, because doesn't she say in
the police station?

Captain (39:44):
she's like I freaked out, I left and then I called
yeah, but like there was a delay, it makes her look suspicious
because they also question her.
They're like well, hold on, yousaid that you were sleeping
there the night before you weretrying on her clothes, like yeah
that's weird.
Like you're suspicious, theytell her you like can't leave
the country while we'reinvestigating, um.

(40:04):
And then, like it gets weirdafter that because so she's
interrogated at the policestation.
But then, uh, the texter isasking did you tell the police
about us, did you tell thepolice about our text?
And she starts to ignore it.

(40:24):
But, returning to her apartment, she, oh yeah, she's on a Skype
with Gary.
And then she sees that the bagsof jewelry that she just
brought to Kyrie's apartmentthat should have been there are
now in her apartment.
So, like she didn't bring themthere, she looks genuinely
shocked that they're there,meaning someone planted them

(40:46):
there to try to set her up forthe murder.
Right, that's what I wasreading.
And she's like really surprisedthat they're there.
And then her phone was onairplane mode.
So she turns it off airplanemode and she's getting all these
messages that have been comingin the last hour from this
unknown number being like youknow, you better not have said
anything.
I know where you live, I have aspare set of your keys, I'm

(41:08):
coming up to your apartment, I'm, I'm outside your door, I'm on
the landing like um.
So like she's getting all ofthese delayed.
And then she finally looksthrough her people.
There's nobody there, but thereis a hotel key card slid out of
the door for a different hotelnight so that's the night, you
saw, probably because that'stowards the end of the movie.
So it's such a small scene, butI think it's important.

(41:32):
Um, and they don't like mentionit at all, but you see her pull
her sim card out of her phoneand then put a different sim
card in.
It's like, I guess it's, toblock the texter from texting
her, right?

Wilson (41:45):
okay your sim card would do that right changing I mean,
I guess it would be, you'd begetting a new number okay, okay,
yeah, so yeah it's like a fivesecond scene, but I feel like
it's important.

Captain (41:55):
So she then she goes to the hotel room with the jewelry
bags, um, and she's in there,she puts them on the bed.
And then she goes to the hotelroom with the jewelry bags and
she's in there, she puts them onthe bed and then she hears the
door open and close and she'slooking at the figure, but we
don't get to see it.
And then the weirdest scene Ifeel like of the whole movie is
like this long what one camerawork scene where it's

(42:18):
interesting.
You watch like an empty hallwaybut it's panning as if there's
a figure walking and then anelevator door opens and then it
closes.
And then you you're on thefirst floor of the of the hotel
elevator opens and then it's a.
It's the camera's panning as ifthere's a figure walking
through the lobby and then outthe front doors and they're, um,

(42:40):
automatic doors, so they'reopening as if there's someone
walking through them right andthen after that you see ingo, so
kairi's boyfriend lover yeah,yeah doing the exact same
sequence with the exact samecamera work.
So it's like very clear.

Wilson (42:58):
Trying to show you like seems like so this is the part
where I got confused, where,because I was like semi-asleep
Exact same camera work, so it'slike very clear, trying to show
you like Seems like.
So this is the part where I gotconfused when.
Because I was like semi asleep.

Captain (43:11):
Where was Kristen?
We don't, we don't see her.
We don't see her.
Ok, so we see a ghost leave thehotel and then we see Ingo or
whatever.
We see what appears to be aghost, leave the hotel and then
Ingo leave the hotel, whateverwe see what appears to be a
ghost, leave the hotel.
And then ingo leave the hoteland, as ingo's on his way out,
the police grab him and try toarrest him and he shoots at them
, but he still gets arrested.
So I didn't realize those werepolice until I read the
description and I was like, oh,that makes more sense so where

(43:33):
was?

Wilson (43:33):
we don't know where she was.

Captain (43:35):
Okay, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, so we see
later.
Kristen Stewart Maureen meetsher sister-in-law at a cafe and
she's like, yeah, all of it'sover.
Like Ingo confessed to all themurders.
You know, I'm not on the hookanymore.
Like I'm cleared, I'm going togo see Gary.

(43:55):
And she says like I don'treally want to be alone anymore.
Like while I'm waiting, likeI'm going to leave like in a
night or two, but like you know,and she's like, well, that's
fine, you can stay with me.
Like I understand why you'relike kind of freaked out by
everything.
So she goes to hersister-in-law's house and then
she meets her sister-in-law'snew boyfriend and she's saying

(44:16):
like you know, I'm glad you'regoing to see Gary.
You should have done this along time ago, because now it's
been like a hundred days sinceher brother died yeah and she's
been looking for a signal.
Um, and she's like I'm gladyou're doing this, I'm also
moving on.
Here's my new boyfriend, um, uh, lewis wouldn't have wanted me
to like dwell in his death.
Um yeah I don't think they weremarried like I don't think they

(44:40):
were that serious.
I mean they were serious, but Idon't think they were like that
serious um and then marine hasthis conversation with ervin,
erwin, um, and it's kind of aninteresting conversation how he
basically says, like I also knewlewis and um, I don't know like
he, he also wouldn't once youwould have dwelled in this like

(45:02):
you deserve to be happy and Idon't know um, just kind of like
a coming to terms with the factthat like this is things now.
But in the most interestingpart is that after he walks away
, we see a figure in thebackground that is most likely
lewis, and you see him holding aglass.

(45:23):
It's kind of blurry, but heslowly slides across the back
behind the focus of KristenStewart's character as she's
just sitting there drinkingcoffee and then there's a
floating glass.
He goes what behind like apillar in the house, and then

(45:45):
there's nothing but a glassfloating in the air and it
shatters.
so right, okay, I saw that shecleansed up doesn't really think
that much about it.
She's like oh, I guess urbanleft this on the corner and it
fell off in the wind orsomething.
Like she doesn't even considerit to be a sign anymore.
Like she's like I've acceptedthis.

Wilson (46:06):
Yeah.

Captain (46:08):
And then the last scene of the movie.
She does go meet Gary in themountains, but it's like you
don't really you watch her.
Her like get to Gary's placeand he's like, oh, I'm glad
you're here in a note.
He's like, oh, I'm glad you'rehere in a note.
He's like I'm glad you're here.
There's gonna be a five hourdrive to this like other city,
and this is your driver's name.
So she like drives up to theother city.

(46:29):
We never actually see Gary inperson never, she gets this like
random.
I don't know what that is ahostel.
There's like a bunch of otherpeople around.

Wilson (46:40):
Yeah.

Captain (46:46):
And in the last scene she is at this retreat house
thing and she hears a noise andfinds a glass floating in the
air and it falls and shattersagain.
So she like just saw this again, she just saw the same thing
happen twice and she is like, oh, like, is this Louis?
Oh, and there's also thesethumping noises, like irregular
thumping noises.

Wilson (47:02):
Yeah.

Captain (47:03):
And she's like thump, once for yes or twice for no,
and she's getting responses andshe's like Lewis, is this you?
And then she asks or is it justme?
And then she hears a singlethump and then the movie ends so

(47:23):
originally.
When you watch it and it endslike that, you're like what, why
, like what?
Um, but I did look it up and Ithink like as soon as I finished
the movie I was like oh, thisis definitely a lookup movie oh
yeah like, I feel like this isyou.
As soon as it ends, you're likethis is one of those movies
where, if I look it up, I'm likeoh, I actually like it, um so

(47:46):
well, when I'm watching it I'mlike, uh, what did I just watch?

Wilson (47:49):
what did?

Captain (47:49):
I just watch exactly, so I don't know if you did you
have thoughts like what did youthink or what did you?

Wilson (47:58):
um, I felt like when I woke up that I feel like I
missed something.
And then when I was scrollingback through the movie, I was
like this feels like it was agood movie, but also deeper than
I was ready to watch.

Captain (48:11):
It was deeper yeah.

Wilson (48:13):
Yeah.

Captain (48:15):
I yeah.
So I was like immediately afterit ended I was like, well, I'm
going to look it up because Iknow, there's pieces, so there's
kind of two main theories whichI like the first and a lot more
.
But basically the idea is Ingois the secret texter in her room
.
They had that conversation inKairi's apartment where he

(48:37):
learned enough about her tostart plotting a way to set her
up for this murder, because hewanted to murder Kyrie.
She was going to break up withhim he didn't want to be broken
up with.

Wilson (48:47):
He murders her of course , because that's the only,
that's the only option there'snothing else to do.

Captain (48:53):
Wilson, step one, step two, yeah, so he murders her and
then he, when he meets kristenstewart's character in the hotel
room, he also kills her.
So her ghost, kristen stewart'sghost, is the one that leaves
the hotel room, the first figurethat we see and then ingo

(49:14):
leaves immediately after thatand, um, you know, we see that
part.
So she's dead at this point.
Uh, my feeling is, if she was amedium, so like her connection
between the living world and thedead world is really strong.
So even though she is dead, shecan still interact with a lot
of living people, um, mostly thepeople that are really close to

(49:34):
her, and they always say, likeyou know, your life flashes
before your eyes when you die.
So it's kind of like the peoplethat are left that are close to
her in her life, like hersister-in-law and she doesn't
even really get to see gary, butlike her sister-in-law, um, you
know, she can still talk to herand like that's that final
meeting they have in the caferight, but I guess she also does

(49:55):
talk to the, the boyfriend thatshe hasn't met yet yeah, but I
don't know.
That guy said that he knew uhlewis really well, like they
were close friends, they workedtogether, so I feel like it was
like her, like the closest shecould have to lewis I guess, I
don't know.
Um, and again she's kind of amedium, so I was taking it as of

(50:16):
like, don't know she can haveconnections to the living world.
It doesn't even seem like sheknows she's dead and then she
doesn't know she's dead, I think, until she starts asking
questions in that room at theend and then she asks like is it
you, lewis, or is it just me?
And then she gets that thoughtbeing like her acceptance that
she her realizing that she isdead, like she's accepting the

(50:39):
fact that she did die in thissituation.
Um, I saw somebody make acomment on reddit that I really
liked, where she was thinkingthat the thumping represents
kristen stewart's characterdying because of heart failure
because her brother had the sameweird congenital disorder.
Yeah, they even have.
I missed I skipped the scene,but there's a scene in the movie
where she's visiting a doctorwho's checking her heart.

Wilson (51:02):
Right, yeah.

Captain (51:03):
And says, like you know , I recommend you get scans
twice a year.
That's what we were doing withLewis, which didn't save him.
They were saying that, like youknow, they were reminded by the
sound of that, of that likeirregular thumping was very
similar to irregular heartbeatsand we're reminded throughout
the movie that her sibling diedbecause of this heart defect.

(51:25):
So, you know, there's like thisirregular pattern of thumping
which is like it's symbolic ofher death.
It's like she's having the sameproblem that he did right.
How do you feel about that one?

Wilson (51:39):
uh, I feel like it's.
I don't like to think that shewas murdered in the hotel room,
but I see why that theory makessense.

Captain (51:45):
I mean, what else would be that ghost that leaves?
The same way, we see the exactsame.

Wilson (51:50):
I mean she saw a couple ghosts that weren't necessarily
her brother, yeah, but we don'tsee automatic doors and like
lobby or elevators, like openingfor them I feel like I saw a
reddit comment that was like shewas somehow predicted what he
would do, so like notnecessarily this yeah, like not
necessarily seeing a ghost, butlike seeing a premonition of his

(52:13):
person walking through thehotel and leaving like like
because you said you saw like,you see, like nothing go through
that same path and then you seehim do it.
So, like the comment I saw waslike oh well, that was just her
foreshadowing or seeing himabout to do that I guess I feel

(52:36):
like, what's the point of thatscene then?

Captain (52:38):
so the other theory is that she did not die and that it
felt like a.
It was more like a.
The whole movie was like astory of symbolic, of acceptance
.
Like in this case, she has toaccept the loss of her brother.
We see the scene of Marineswitching her SIM card out and
then going to the hotel.
Some people think that that washer actually working with the

(53:00):
cops to get ingo's confessionand to set him up.
Like she she's, she's helpingthem catch him.
So, you know, they, they, theyrealize that he's the one that's
texting her.
Um, because it would likely bekairi's boyfriend.
That's her killer.
You know that's who she's.
You know it's always like theboyfriend or whatever.
Um, and he manipulated maureento use the things that they,
that he got from theirconversation to like, um, you

(53:24):
know, try to frame her for thisjob.
Things that she says duringthere are like, you know, she's
always able to feel things.
Um, there's something weirdabout like, leaving the door
ajar I don't remember what thatcomment was, but like, anyway,
he uses those phrases againsther to try to frame her for this
murder.
And then, um, the superficialstuff or, sorry, supernatural

(53:45):
stuff, is just really a figmentof her imagination the whole
time, um, and then she wouldcome up with ways to like
rationalize those um thingshappening around her, um, I
don't really like that theory asmuch, because I don't think it,
I don't think it answers allthe questions and also, uh, I

(54:09):
don't know, I just feel likethat's not like what's, why
don't we, if that's true, likewhy?
Why do we never like?

Wilson (54:25):
like.
Why?
Why do we never like?
Why do we still?

Captain (54:27):
have that scene at the end, I don't know.
Yeah, so you, you think she wasprobably murdered.
Yeah, I mean, the only reason,the only last thing, is that I
didn't watch it, but there'slike that's 30 minute.
Um, I think there was like aconvention, I don't know.
There's some.
There's a 30 minute video ofthe director talking on a stage
about it, like at a convention,and I didn't watch it.
But people say that in there hesays he implies that there are
no ghosts in his movie.
And I'm like, do you mean likethere's no Lewis ghost in the

(54:52):
movie?
Because I just feel like itmakes so much more sense to me
that Kristen Stewart dies in thehotel room.
We watch her ghost figure leaveand then she kind of comes to
terms with the fact that,although she's, you know, a
medium and can talk to a fewpeople, like she comes to terms
with the fact that, like she isdying, you know it was not Lewis
that was talking to her, it was, it was part of her imagination

(55:14):
, but like, um, you know she's,she's on the other side with him
now.

Wilson (55:19):
Yeah, I, yeah, I could see that being the preferred
ending.
I do wish like.
I don't really like whendirectors leave it so up to
interpretation.
It could be a couple endings.
Directors love that shit, Iwant you to just tell me what
you envision the ending to be,and then I'll be like on board.

Captain (55:36):
This director, I think, is one of those people that
have said I don't give answers,but I just tell stories Like I
don't give you the answers.

Wilson (55:48):
Well, what did you intend with the story?
That's like David Lynch.
I do like a lot of his stuff,but I hate that he makes his
movies so up to interpretation.

Captain (55:59):
Yeah, but they're always like I want to tell a
story where you have feelingsabout it and you're like, okay,
but like how did it end?
and yeah, like I want tointerpret my feelings and
closure closure is important yesum, yeah, I I liked it a lot
more after I read and read into,like you know, looked it up.

(56:20):
Um, just for some numbs andstuff, the budget was a million,
the box office was 2.7, so itwas a success.
It was very low budget um andthen it does have really good
reviews.
The critic scores an 81 and theaudience score is a 53.
So I don't know how do you,where do you fall in all of that

(56:44):
?

Wilson (56:46):
um well, so I'm gonna give it the benefit of the doubt
, since I did fall asleep, but Ido think it was a well done
movie I feel like you probablymissed like 30 percent I?
I mean I got the gist after.

Captain (56:59):
I read about it.

Wilson (57:00):
I mean, I don't know, I would give it like a 60.

Captain (57:06):
Yeah, I think I'd give it a 60.

Wilson (57:07):
Like I didn't love it.
The story's interesting, itisn't true?
I'll give it a 63.
Oh, I'm sticking with a 60.
So generous, okay.

Captain (57:18):
I wish the premise or sorry, like the plots synopsis
thing that they write they gottaswitch that thing up, like they
they always start it with she'sa personal shopper.
I'm like, okay, that should beat the end of the sentence
saying that yeah she.
She is a woman that is tryingto figure out if her dead
brother is sending her signsfrom the other side while she's

(57:40):
personal shopping like yeah,yeah, this movie is a a sister
grieving the loss of her brotheryeah, like and she happens to
be a personal shopper yeah, andlike I, even if the ending is
the one that I want, she'smurdered by her boss's boyfriend
.
It doesn't even matter, her bossis a personal shopper like that
.
That.
That is so irrelevant itdoesn't.

Wilson (58:02):
There's probably some like artsy explanation, like her
serving others or like dressingup others when she like doesn't
feel comfortable in her ownskin or some bullshit.
I mean the there.
It's important that we have thescenes of her pretending to be
this totally different.

Captain (58:14):
Like she's, that's like part of the forbidden
indulgence.
Is like, oh, I, yeah, I'm.
It's important that we have thescenes of her pretending to be
this totally different.
Like she's, that's like part ofthe forbidden indulgence.
Is like, oh, I'm dressing likea supermodel and I'm like, I'm
like you know, coming in her bedor whatever.

Wilson (58:31):
It's important for her character.

Captain (58:33):
Yeah, the growth, growth.
I just I don't know.
It's weird.
I.

Wilson (58:42):
I don't know, it's weird , I don't they gotta fix whoever
wrote those synopses?
Yeah, and we saw a lot more ofher than I ever expected to see.
Oh, the nudity, yeah, the fullfrontal.

Captain (58:48):
They talked about Kristen Stewart said in an
interview I actually did look atthat.
She said in an interview that,like for her craft and for her
art, she does not mind like fullfrontal nudity.
She said the director for thismovie made her incredibly
comfortable.
They have working historytogether, um, and she was like I
honestly don't even know whypeople are so fucking weird

(59:09):
about it.
Like if I'm gonna make a moviewhere it's like I'm playing a
character like who's not gonnabe like naked in their house at
some point, like I don't know it, just for her.
She was like it's not even thatbig of a deal, like I don't
even really care about it.
And if I'm comfortable and if itworks for the story, like, I'm
gonna do it and I was like okayall right respect I I mean do

(59:30):
you?
Yeah, um, like I said, theyhave working history together
and he he basically wrote thismovie for her to play another
character.
He did some other french moviewith her clouds of sils maria.
I don't know what that is but, Ithink she plays a similar
character where she's like anamerican transplant living in

(59:51):
paris for something else.
Um, and he really liked her anddirecting her so he was like
I'm gonna write another moviewhere she's the main character.
He said that he wouldn't haveeven written this story if he
didn't work with kristen stewartprior wow like, that's how much
this was for her.
Um, yes, and then one of theother hot gooses is.

(01:00:13):
He won best director at thecanes film festival for this
movie.
Um, and I think you'd like this.
One of the dogs, uh, owned bylewis's girlfriend, was named
bella, perhaps an homage tokristen stewart's character in
twilight I wonder how she feelsabout that, but yeah, I even
hear her say bella like, hey,bella like, you know, don't do

(01:00:35):
that or come back here you knowthey just released a lego set of
you sent me that, you sent methat I'm thinking about it, but
it is pricey yeah, how much isthat?

Wilson (01:00:45):
one like 500 20 oh so yeah, not like insane, but I'm
like I'm evaluating how badly Ineed it do you have space for it
?
I can make space for it, that'sno problem.
Um, I feel like you're gonnaget it okay, I probably will you

(01:01:06):
know, my, my brother's officeit's, I think it's basically
been turned into a lego room forhis son.
Um, but they just like there's,it's like a lego City in there
and I love the idea of that.
If this room was filled withLego tables, I'd be happy.

Captain (01:01:24):
Oh, my God, yeah, but that Lego room of your nephew
would be like for Legos that arelike for what?

Wilson (01:01:33):
10 and under right, but he builds Harry Potter Lego sets
.

Captain (01:01:38):
Oh, he does the big ones, so he's not doing.

Wilson (01:01:41):
Duplo blocks, or whatever you call them.

Captain (01:01:44):
Linkin' Logs.

Wilson (01:01:45):
Linkin' Logs.
Yeah, it's Legos, okay.

Captain (01:01:51):
We were playing with K'nex for a long time when I was
a kid.

Wilson (01:01:54):
Oh, K'nex are good.

Captain (01:01:55):
K'nex was a big one.

Wilson (01:01:57):
Yeah.

Captain (01:01:57):
They don't make those anymore, do they?

Wilson (01:01:59):
I think they do.

Captain (01:02:00):
Oh.

Wilson (01:02:01):
I never heard anybody ever mention them, Maybe not
like this year, but I think acouple years ago I looked it up
and they're like stilltechnically connected.

Captain (01:02:07):
You're going to crack your Connect game back out.

Wilson (01:02:11):
Am I about to look up Connects?
It looks like the company stillexists, okay.

Captain (01:02:16):
Yeah, okay.
So in this movie you gave arating.
Do you have a razor glass?
We do have a poor one out, do?

Wilson (01:02:24):
we have a razor.
Um, my razor glass is like Imentioned it sort of earlier.
But, um, when I had no ideawhat this movie was about beyond
a personal shopper, and then wejust see like wispies out of
nowhere, it just like completelychanged how I was viewing the
movie.

Captain (01:02:39):
So I guess I'll say that's my razor glass.
I don't know what's yours.
I think my razor glass isactually finally seeing Lewis at
the end, because I really didnot think we were going to see
him, but it's clear that that isa figure of what would be her
dead brother and he's watchingher from behind.

(01:03:02):
Um, and something that'sinteresting about that scene
that she's so ignorant to all ofit happening around her, like
she's already accepted the factthat she's not going to get a
sign from him and that's andthat's when we see him in the
background, which I feel like isreally interesting.
Um, I just didn't.
I didn't expect to actually seehim, so it was nice to actually
see it.
I was like, oh, yeah.

(01:03:23):
But yeah, that's probably myraise a glass.

Wilson (01:03:29):
Okay.

Captain (01:03:30):
Also, I did like the scene where she's in her
apartment and she sees that thejewelry bags are in there that
should not have been there andthey should be at the crime
scene, and she's like yeah, Imiss, I miss that scene yeah.
It's a, it was interesting,it's quick, but she's like you
can tell she's like surprised.

Wilson (01:03:49):
Yeah.

Captain (01:03:50):
Um, she's like I'm gonna be framed.

Wilson (01:03:53):
Yeah, uh, wait, so did you say the box office already,
the budget box office?

Captain (01:03:58):
Yeah, one mil and 2.7.
It was success.
It was success, yeah.

Wilson (01:04:03):
Not like groundbreaking, but good enough.
Okay, mm-hmm, what do we?
Well, if you don't have anyclosing thoughts about the movie
, what are we doing next time?

Captain (01:04:14):
I don't really have closing thoughts besides like it
was fine.
Don't think I'd recommend Damnthat's thoughts besides like it
was fine, don't think I'drecommend damn.
That's.
That's about it.
Um my oh, next time on the redaround podcast we're gonna do
village of the damned.
Is that your pick?

Wilson (01:04:29):
I think, so I'm excited about this one as bad as your
david cronenberg pick right ohit's not.

Captain (01:04:34):
No, no, this one's like almost campy okay, is this an
80s or 90s or something?

Wilson (01:04:41):
uh, I feel like it's like late 80s that's very up
your alley.
I feel like you love those,those bitches yeah, I think when
you watch this just have likean open mind.
But oh, I've seen the scene.

Captain (01:04:55):
I've seen the pictures of these children before yeah,
like I think you'll recognizethe movie.
Okay.
But yeah, this score is notgood.

Wilson (01:05:05):
No, it's not Just like open mind.
You're just in for a good timeand I think you'll have a good
time.

Captain (01:05:12):
Village of the Damned.
And then, oh, do you have aquestion for me?
Well, just a side note caveat.

Wilson (01:05:20):
Yeah.

Captain (01:05:23):
My main advice for the week is do not watch crimes of
the future unless you're like adavid cronenberg, like fangirl
fanboy I guess um, but thatmovie sucks and I do not
recommend um, but if you have.
Do you have another questionfor me about?

Wilson (01:05:39):
just.

Captain (01:05:40):
I need other advice, like more based on applicable
okay, I I did write this downwhile I was watching the movie
and I think this is important.
But if you're getting creepymessages, you can block them.
Block unknown numbers.
I do it all the time.
It's a great idea, oh yeah whoanswers those?
Fuck those strangers.
Yeah, they're always spam, soit's a great idea.

(01:06:01):
Oh yeah, who answers?

Wilson (01:06:01):
those, fuck those strangers yeah they're always
spam.
So fuck them kids and fuck youtoo.