The Ruins

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This week, Captain and Wilson discuss the 2008 horror, "The Ruins," where a group of tourists in Mexico visit a hidden Mayan temple and discover a deadly surprise. Who would have guessed exploring a restricted area is dangerous?

The film stars Jena Malone (Donnie Darko), Shawn Ashmore (X-Men), Jonathan Tucker (The Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake), Laura Ramsey (The Covenant), and Joe Anderson (The Crazies).

Episode Transcript

Captain (00:19):
we're doing good.
We're doing good.
Do you want to?
Okay, I do kind of want to talkabout it first, really fast.
So, um, the new season ofdexter yes rick shaw is out so
good, dude so good did you watchepisode three yet hell yeah,
dude it.
I that they do not miss.
And I'm really appreciating thelike uh setting of like hot

(00:44):
miami and then like ice cold,snow town and now like season.
You know, the third version ofthe newer dexter is like um big
metropolis, like they're doing,like I don't know, it's like
very three distinct settings yes, I think I would like.

Wilson (01:03):
I like the new setting, I think the nostalgic part, like
if they were somehow could belike back in Miami, I'd be like,
yes, and I wish they had thefull theme song.
Those are just like such smallpotatoes, because the show was
otherwise really really good.

Captain (01:17):
But yeah they.
They have shifted away from thetheme song.
I don't necessarily mind it.
They do that new thing wherethey like slice a bunch of one
second or half second likepictures before or like
throughout the episode of like,or yeah, like, what's about to
happen?
Um, even though the theme songis good, but I don't know they

(01:38):
did it for um original sin.

Wilson (01:42):
Yeah, I also kind of wonder, like if they wouldn't
want to do that for two activeshows yeah, I think that might
be the problem.

Captain (01:48):
Yeah, um, but I love it .
I love that we saw quinn andmasuka that okay.

Wilson (01:54):
So we knew like based like seeing online, that yeah,
quinn was gonna show up, butmasuka was a nice surprise it
was so nice.

Captain (02:02):
It was so nice.
I I love seeing them, do youthink?

Wilson (02:05):
they're probably like that was.

Captain (02:07):
That was the time they showed up like, yeah, I I, I we
were talking about it after wewatched the episode and I was
like, yeah, I don't expect themto like, those guys aren't
really acting anymore.

Wilson (02:17):
I feel like they probably were just doing their
little cs, lee's and um for allmankind Masuka.

Captain (02:24):
Oh, that's right.
I mean they might bring himback.
I just feel like it was a verysad.
I mean it was a very small,like I'm retiring scene.
I don't.

Wilson (02:34):
Yeah.
Like I think it was just a nicenod for the audience.

Captain (02:37):
Yeah.

Wilson (02:38):
I don't.
It doesn't feel like they'regoing to.
You know, three cops from Miamigo up to New York like this
yeah, we're going to.

Captain (02:46):
you know, three cops from Miami go up to New York
like this.
Yeah, I'm not loving the newgenius lady cop that's
investigating everything.
She is annoying, I don't.
I think that my biggest, myonly problem with the show is, I
feel like so many times, copshows are like you know, the
only way to write an officer islike you know, they're

(03:07):
neurodivergent and, like that,like also a genius at the same
time.
I'm like they don't have to bethat way you know what I mean,
like there's a lot of shows andmovies that are like that.
I'm like she doesn't have to bethis way, Like how many cops out
there really are like this?
I bet very, very few.

Wilson (03:23):
Yeah, really are like this.
I bet very, very few.

Captain (03:24):
Yeah, this is I don't know how many shows like I
couldn't count how many showsI've seen where, like one of the
cops, like you said, is agenius but like nerd yeah, like
they're socially awkward or theydon't know how to, you know,
have any other, yeah, likefriendly relationship, you know,
and she, like her partner, evensays like, oh, yeah, she just
does that.
I'm like, okay, it doesn't haveto be so, I don't know, it's

(03:46):
just very um, yeah, it's justvery overdone, I guess, but
otherwise the show's like Ireally like harrison's role.
I really, yeah, I really likedexter's characters coming back.
I even am happy with the umathorman character, like I think
that's gonna be really fun yeah,I think this will be a fun
storyline.
Yeah, um and we haven't seenpeter dinklage yet.
Like I know that's gonna bereally fun.
Yeah, I think this will be afun storyline.
Yeah, um, and we haven't seenpeter dinklage yet.

(04:07):
Like I know that man comes Iforgot yeah and um.

Wilson (04:10):
What's his face from?

Captain (04:11):
modern family will be in it too oh, yeah, um eric
erica stone street yeah, is neilpatrick harris too, or am I
thinking?

Wilson (04:19):
I think so yeah, I guess we're gonna see all these
people at that.
Oh, at the dinner.

Captain (04:24):
Yeah, wow, that'll be fun.
Yeah, like that storyline'scool, yeah, the whole.
Like you know, dark Passengerand Dexter being like that's my
name, like that, like his egocoming out, is even fun, because
sometimes we see his ego comeout like and it's nice to'm
loving it.
Oh yeah, um yeah, I cannot waitto see more.

(04:48):
Um, I know this isn't on thelist, but just also, we're
watching that revival show which, technically, is a sci-fi
channel show.
I'm trying to like not make itblurry.
Um, it's even a sci-fi channelshow, which?
is like very surprising, butit's pretty good um about like

(05:09):
uh, members of the town that getresurrected from their grave
and they're trying to figure out, like, what's going on I mean,
it does sound pretty good um,but I guess you need like a
peacock.
Do you have a peacock account?

Wilson (05:24):
For right now we do yeah .

Captain (05:26):
Okay.

Wilson (05:28):
I tried to cancel and then they were like here's the
significant discount.
I was like I'm going to fallfor it, but let's do it.

Captain (05:36):
If you are paying for Peacock for a while, I would
also.
Is that on Peacock?
I think so.
No, I'm not sure.
Is what on Peacock?
I think so.
No, I'm not sure.
Is what on Peacock.
Maybe it's on Paramount theInstitute's on Paramount+ right.

Wilson (05:49):
MGM+.

Captain (05:51):
But I think you can watch it through Paramount.
No, oh, no, you're right, it is, yeah, yeah.

Wilson (05:58):
I was like, do I need to go check if I just double paid?

Captain (06:01):
You're right, because I thought you could, and then I
did this whole casting to my TVfrom my iPad which was way more
complicated than it should havebeen.
But yeah, no, you're right,it's MGM+.
What's the other show we were?
There's some other.
Oh, if you want to.
While you're paying for Peacock, there's a show called, based
on a True Story, that KellyCuoco stars in.

(06:22):
Oh, want to.
While you're paying for peacock, there's a show called, based
on a true story, that kellycuoco stars in oh okay, because
I like to inflate attendant yeah, it's a different vibe, but, um
, I don't want to give too muchaway.
We only.
I only watched an episode, butit's really good so far okay and
there's two seasons and it hasthe girl from uh stranger things

(06:43):
in it, the older sister oh uh,natalie, yeah, yeah yeah, that's
her character's name yeah, okayyeah, she's in there, um, so I
would recommend that one too.
Um, okay, the one thing.
So I want to talk about thisbecause I randomly saw this.
Um, so there's two thingsthere's.

(07:03):
Have you ever heard of SocotraIsland?

Wilson (07:07):
Definitely not.

Captain (07:08):
Okay, so I'm going to send this to you.
I had to click on something.
No, no, no, no.
Well, I just wanted to tell you, okay.
So apparently there's thisisland called Socotra Island,
which is in the Indian Ocean,and what's interesting about
them is they have this likereally distinct flora and fauna
there.
So I just sent you a picture.

(07:31):
But like their um natureactually like looks alien there,
um, and I think it's been likethe basis for like alien planets
uh in some.
Basis for like alien planets uhin some like movies and tv
shows, um, but like it doesn'tlook real, these pictures.

(07:51):
Oh, I don't know if you did yousee that?
I saw the, yeah, the silly treethe silly trees, yeah, but they
like I don't know, it doesn'tlook real, but these are all
like very real photos of whattheir nature looks like there.
Not a lot of people go here.
I think you can be a touristhere, but like they, I don't

(08:14):
know.
It's a very distinct flora andfauna.
I was trying to see if,specifically, there was a movie
that references this area, but Iknow I've seen stuff like do

(08:36):
you watch that show?
I think it's Apple that has anecromancer in it.
What.
I can't remember the show, butthey they like a part of the
most of the shows on an alienplanet and it looks just like
this, like it looks very similarto, like this island's wildlife

(08:57):
and necromancer.
She's like a robot alien what arobot, alien necromancer yes,
and I don't care not rememberthe show, and I thought it was
apple, but I feel like if it wasapple you would remember, you
would know what I was talkingabout an alien robot, I don't

(09:21):
know anyway.
Anyway, the island is very coolbecause it has this like really
interesting alien looking.
It's described as the mostalien looking place on Earth.
It's only 82 miles in lengthand 26 miles at its widest and
it's a UNESCO World HeritageSite.

Wilson (09:42):
What does that mean?

Captain (09:44):
Oh, it's like a protected site in the world.
Um, when I went to norway, thehouses in bergen they're also a
unesco heritage site like you'renot allowed to, just like
they're like landmarks in theworld that are like
internationally, like protected.
Um, like you couldn't, if youwent after that place, you know,

(10:06):
bomb that place in a war orsomething it would be seen as
like you know, like you'rebreaking laws or whatever, like
war crimes I don't know I thinkso something like that.
Don't quote me on that, butthey're like just protected
historical significant sites orreally interesting or, like you
know, things that are differentin the world.

(10:29):
I'm not a historian, I don'tknow anyway, it sounds cool.

Wilson (10:37):
Uh, I probably won't end up there, but I just thought in
person yeah, I just thoughtlike the pictures are just very,
very surprising wait, how'd you, how'd you come across this
again?

Captain (10:50):
I don't know.
I think it was like a randomtiktok, I don't know oh, okay um
, oh, here I'll send you likeone more, because this is just.
Oh, maybe I'll send you twomore, wow, okay, the other thing

(11:15):
I wanted to talk about and thisis pretty on the nose, but
there's another island calledSnake Island.

Wilson (11:19):
What's on that one, you'll never guess.

Captain (11:24):
There's an island in Brazil that's called Snake
Island and it's known for itsincredibly high concentration of
venomous snakes, specificallythe golden lancehead viper.
Due to the extreme danger, theBrazilian Navy has prohibited
this from public access andyou're only allowed to go there
for scientific research.

(11:45):
Um, I can't, let me see if I Iwant to say I saw a statistic
that it's like there are, likethere's, one snake per like
square foot or something insane,like I can't remember what the
exact numbers were, but it'slike the ground is snakes.

Wilson (12:11):
And they don't care.
I mean, I guess they wouldn'twipe it out.
I mean, I guess they wouldn'tjust wipe them all out.
Oh yeah, they're like landsnakes, so it's not like they
can swim oh yeah, but it's like,even though it's super venomous
, they don't want to just killall the snakes on the island.

Captain (12:30):
I feel like why.

Wilson (12:33):
Somebody probably wants to live there.

Captain (12:36):
It's?
I don't think so.
Ok, listen to this.
So the island's 21 miles offthe coast of Sao Paulo, brazil.
The island is only fourhundred,000 square meters, so
it's not very big, and it has.

(12:59):
Oh, the snakes are endangered.

Wilson (13:04):
Doesn't sound like it?
Oh, the snakes are endangered?

Captain (13:05):
Doesn't sound like it?
Oh yes, one snake per squaremeter, which is one snake per 10
square feet.
Every 10 square feet there's asnake.
There is a competition forresources, so because of that
they're considered an endangeredspecies.
But I feel like they kind ofmade that their own fault.

Wilson (13:25):
Yeah, and they also don't sound that endangered.

Captain (13:30):
They're called, yeah, golden lancehead viper.
They're a predator.
And then there's anotherspecies which feeds on
vegetation in the same areas asthe snake, as the other snakes,
um, yeah, so the island itselfis 430,000 snakes, but they did

(14:18):
more recent research has foundthat the number is probably
around 4,000.
Wait, only 4,000 snakes.
Well, 4,000 in the mostconcentrated or in the area that
.
So part of the island is in arainforest and part of it isn't
Okay.
So, like the rainforest part, Iguess, is the only part that
they can survive well, I shouldsay so in that concentrated, in
that main area where they live.
I guess there's like 4,000 orso.

(14:38):
I've never been there.
And I guess I'll never will.

Wilson (14:44):
So I just looked up that lance head.

Captain (14:46):
Viper.

Wilson (14:46):
Butthead one.
Yeah, there's like a range ofconservation status which I
didn't know about.
Oh yeah.
So, it's not just endangered,it's critically endangered.

Captain (14:58):
Oh yeah, yikes, yeah, critically endangered,
endangered, and then likethreatened, and then there's,
like I would think, one more.

Wilson (15:06):
There's like eight here.

Captain (15:10):
In the range.

Wilson (15:12):
Yeah.

Captain (15:12):
Oh, wow, Wow.
I've only heard of like four ofthem.

Wilson (15:17):
There's like super extinct, mega extinct.
Okay, well, Wait are you?

Captain (15:23):
You're not being real.

Wilson (15:24):
No no.

Captain (15:27):
Yeah, the critically endangered, what it's like the
rhino, like the black rhino,isn't there only like five left,
or something.

Wilson (15:34):
I don't know you about to be out the door, Jesus.

Captain (15:45):
I think Amur leopards there was only like 40 left the
last time I looked it doesn'tlist them on this page.
Well, anyway, here's just a fewislands that you'll probably
never go to but are very, veryinteresting Were you just on
island talk?
Yeah, definitely You're not onthere.

(16:05):
You should get on there.
Nope, don't happen to be onthere.
Um, I don't know.

Wilson (16:12):
Snake Island literally sounds like a movie, like for a
for the podcast oh yeah, Iactually, when I was trying to
look up Snake Island, the firstresult was Snake.

Captain (16:22):
Island film so, like wait, is there a movie?

Wilson (16:24):
yeah, I don't know if it's like directly phrased or
like from snake island, becausethat's such a generic name oh
wow, I feel like I've seen thismovie cover in like a
blockbuster it 100.
Looks like one of those dude.

Captain (16:42):
It literally says the premise is tourists are trying
to survive a tropical islandinfested with snakes oh well, oh
, there we go, tourists areturning to survive a tropical
island infested with snakes.

Wilson (16:51):
Oh well, oh, there we go um, but I don't think it's a
good movie, just fyi doesn't.

Captain (17:05):
Yeah, it doesn't give off that.

Wilson (17:05):
Um, you're not catching that.
Nope, it's probably's, probablygood.
But honestly, if I was going towatch Snake Island, I'd be like
let's just watch Anaconda.

Captain (17:12):
Oh true.
Oh yeah, didn't that come uprecently on a podcast?
Maybe that's why it came up onmy phone.

Wilson (17:19):
Maybe there's a Hmm, I'm not sure.

Captain (17:24):
I feel like there was a director that wrote Anaconda
also.

Wilson (17:28):
There probably was.

Captain (17:32):
Okay, are you ready?
Yeah.
All right.
Welcome to the 173rd episode ofthe Red Round Podcast, where we
review horror movies whileenjoying an adult beverage or
two.
And I'm Captain, and I'mCaptain.
And I'm Wilson.
And this week we're reviewingthe 2008 natural horror film the

(17:57):
Ruins Jesus.
You good.
I don't know why I cannot do itunless I'm like reading it like
I'm popcorn reading in a highschool class.
Okay, I'm reading it like I'mpopcorn reading in a high school
class, okay.
So this movie was directed byCarter Smith, very generic name.
It's his feature filmdirectorial debut, but he did

(18:23):
three more movies.
Since I don't recognize JamieMarks is Dead, swallowed the
Passenger, since, um, I don'trecognize jamie marx is dead,
swallowed the passenger, and Iliterally don't hear.

Wilson (18:33):
But I don't know those movies the passenger almost
sounds familiar, but I couldjust be thinking of the movie
passengers or the dark passengerthe dark.
Oh yeah, I didn't.

Captain (18:46):
I did not see this movie this movie was written by
Scott Smith.
Are y'all related?
I mean, those are.
So Carter Smith and Scott Smith, your face is not happy, it's a
family thing.
I don't know I mean Smith's sogeneral, but it's based on his

(19:07):
2006 novel of the same name.
Both his novel, a Simple Plan,both his novels, including this
one and A Simple Plan, have alsobeen adapted into movies.
Have both been adapted intomovies?
Have you watched A Simple Plan?
That sounds very familiar.

Wilson (19:25):
It's a band.

Captain (19:27):
It's a band.

Wilson (19:28):
Simple Plan.

Captain (19:31):
Why does that sound?
Maybe Do they do like Blink-182music.

Wilson (19:42):
I mean, it was that era.

Captain (19:46):
Okay.

Wilson (19:48):
Bill.

Captain (19:48):
Paxton is in a Simple Plan.

Wilson (19:50):
The movie it doesn't, is it scary?
And billy babathoran okay, thatcan't be a scary movie.

Captain (19:58):
Wait, hold on.
There was one movie we watchedfor the podcast.
Oh no, that was billy ray cyruswas in that movie.

Wilson (20:05):
There's too many billies what did we watch with billy
ray cyrus in it?

Captain (20:08):
there was a one movie we watched and billy ray cyrus
was in it.
He was like the hunk.
What's the male version ofmistress?
Is it mistress?

Wilson (20:22):
uh mistrose are you just making up words?

Captain (20:28):
he was like the male mistress to a woman.
It was that really complicatedmovie where, like it was real,
you know you had to think aboutit and analyze it I I we've done
200 of these bitches.
I don't fucking know?

Wilson (20:49):
oh, I did look up the male version of mistress and
they kind of said there's notreally a term for it so mistrose
is what we're going withbecause I think what the woman
is probably always at fault,whatever, it was never the man's
fault.

Captain (21:03):
So correct as it is, so shall it be.
Women don't deserve anything.
You haven't learned that, andwe're always at fault um um wait
.
Carter smith is also a fashionphotographer the carter smith or

(21:26):
some other carter smith thiscarter smith how do you know
that I?

Wilson (21:30):
looked at his wikipedia is he good?
I don't know, I didn't.
There were no pictures thathe's taken his eyes where's he?

Captain (21:41):
is he photographing?
What is this like fashion week?

Wilson (21:45):
is that just like?
Maybe this movie was the softlaunch of like, whatever, um,
like fashion show he's puttingon?

Captain (21:52):
I don't think so.
He also writes books, dude ohno scott, no, scott writes books
oh the, maybe, brother theprobable brother.
Um, okay, one other thing is umscott, who wait a second oh,

(22:14):
you said he, he writes books.
This is the guy who wrote thebook about this movie, or like
yes, yeah, he writes books likethe book yes inspire this movie
we already talked about this,because he also wrote a Simple
Plan, and then I was talkingabout A Simple Plan.
He wrote this book, the Ruins.
Okay.
Which, honestly, I feel likethe book of this would slap so

(22:36):
hard.

Wilson (22:37):
Yeah, I wonder if it ends the same.
Maybe I don't want to know that.

Captain (22:42):
Oh Okay, I think there's some hot goose that I
think I give it away but, we canlike.
Nix it if you really want to.

Wilson (22:53):
Um, we'll see.
We'll see Um, okay.

Captain (22:59):
One other thing is so so.
Scott also wrote um thescreenplay for a movie called
Serbia that Keanu Reeves is in.
I feel like I've seen thatcover, but I never saw the movie
.
Serbia no, Serbia called serbiathat kiana reeves is in.

Wilson (23:19):
I feel like I've seen that cover, but I never saw the
movie serbia.

Captain (23:21):
No, serbia.
Oh, that's a different movieyou watched, um, okay, watch a
musical.
No, just disturbia.
Oh, oh, oh, um, okay, the thingI really wanted to say, the
last thing is this movie wasproduced by Ben Stiller with his
production company, red HourFilms, because Ben Stiller is
besties with Scott Smith.

Wilson (23:37):
Really.

Captain (23:38):
Yeah, smith was two-thirds done with the book
when Ben Stiller alreadyapproached him and was, like
we're making this bitch into amovie.
He wasn't even done the bookyet.
Like we're making making thisbitch into a movie.
He wasn't even done the bookyet.
Um, but he had the screenrights based an outline on the
what he had so far.

(23:59):
Um, but scott was likeliterally was quoted with saying
they told me they wanted me towrite the screenplay too.
So while I was finishing thelast third of the book, I was
already.
I already knew I was going toadapt it into the movie, into a
movie, and was like thinkingabout the screenplay already wow
, okay so I I this.

(24:20):
Sometimes, when you watch moviesthat are based on a book, you
can tell it's like a littlerushed, but I think this movie
does a good job of maybe knowingso far in advance.
I think it might've helped.

Wilson (24:31):
Probably.
Yeah, actually you're probablyright.
Like it would have made writingthe screenplay so much easier,
I guess, if you already wrotethe book in a way that you
weren't even done the book, like, yeah, um, what did you look up
?

Captain (24:46):
Whatever you were looking up, what was Serbia?
Uh, I wasn't.
Um, what did you look up?

Wilson (24:48):
whatever you, were looking up what was serbia uh, I
wasn't.

Captain (24:53):
I don't think I actually ended up looking it up
well, I think I've seen themovie poster for that movie
before, but keanu reeves isreally um crushing it with these
john wick movies I, I've onlyseen the first one I'm just,
they keep making them, they keep.

Wilson (25:10):
They're like kind of done now I think they're making
another one well I mean well, Iknow there's a spin-off one.

Captain (25:17):
I heard about that one who what the main character is
the dog or something?

Wilson (25:22):
the ballerina.
I think that's a ballerina in.
Was there not a character orsomething called ballerina?
I don't know.
I just know a movie came outcalled ballerina, and it's in
that universe.

Captain (25:36):
Oh, from the world of John Wick, colon ballerina.
Yeah.
An assassin, as always.
Okay, let's read we get sosidetracked, you want it ready
to get into the cast uh, yeahokay, so we have jenna malone as

(25:59):
amy or aim I know, like I girl,I it's a, I get it.
You don't have to give us thein quotes nickname for Amy.
Okay, so she is known forplaying Gretchen in Donnie Darko
.
She's young Ellie in theContact Memory from 1997 with

(26:21):
Jodie Foster.
Oh shit, oh no, we did PanicRoom, didn't we?

Wilson (26:26):
Yeah, but I was thinking about this earlier because I
saw that note you put in here.
If we didn't do it on thepodcast, I'm pretty sure we just
like around that time, justwatched a movie and didn't talk
about it.

Captain (26:39):
I don't remember Contact being an actual movie
for the list.

Wilson (26:44):
No, but I think we watched it together.
I think we watched it.

Captain (26:47):
Yeah, we were just fucking around, I don't know,
but I thought we did it.
And now, in the moment thatwe're recording, I'm like, oh no
, I'm thinking of Panic Room,for sure.
Because, that was the JodieFoster with a kid that we did,
and that was Twilight Girl,kristen Stewart is the baby in
that movie.
Baby's a loose term.

(27:11):
Yeah you're just off by a coupleyears.
Jenna Malone also was JoannaMason in Hunger Games.
Do you know who that is?
No, I don't know either.
And then she was Sage Ross inNocturnal Animals with Amy Adams
, which I did watch NocturnalAnimals.
That was a good show.

Wilson (27:28):
I don't remember much about it, but I did too.

Captain (27:31):
Okay, and then we have Jonathan Tucker who plays Jeff.
He did something in the TexasChainsaw from 2003.
He was Major Craddock inWestworld.
It's been so long since Iwatched Westworld.
He was in the Charlie's Angelsremake as well.
Wow, Also with Kristen StewartWeird.

Wilson (27:54):
Wait, what was the other one with Kristen Stewart?
Oh.

Captain (27:56):
Oh, nothing, okay, I was picturing Kristen Bell.

Wilson (28:00):
when you said that for some reason, I was like when did
we talk about her?

Captain (28:03):
Oh, Very different, very, very different.
Okay, and then we have seanashmore, who plays eric.
This is a person I recognizethe most.
He is.
He was jake in anamorphs, umthe leader, the tiger, jake
himself oh, yes, yes, okay, yepum.

(28:25):
He's also bobby drake slash icemen in the x-men films.
Um.
He is a special fbi agent inthe following show, which was
really good.
That's with kevin bacon.
Highly recommend if you haven'tseen it.
Um and more recently he waslamplighter in the boys uh you
watch that?

Wilson (28:45):
yeah, yeah, did you, you watched that right, yeah, yeah,
I'm tired of it, but I'm goingto finish it.

Captain (28:50):
I am.
I am a little.
It's like so juicy everywherethere's juice, and guts
everywhere it's a little, it'sgetting a little, I don't know.
Too drudgy and dark orsomething.

Wilson (29:07):
Yeah, it's about time.
Yeah, it's time.

Captain (29:10):
Okay, and then we have Stacey.
Oh, I always do that.
Alara Ramsey who plays Stacey,she's in Olivia and she's the
man and she was Sarah Wineham inthe Covenant.
Oh, we did do that one.

Wilson (29:25):
Yes, that's who I was like.
What do I know?
Do I know her?

Captain (29:27):
yes, and I even put my squelch guess in here because we
just did it and I want to sayit was like 168, but that seems
a little too recent.
I'm gonna switch that.
I'm gonna say 165 for mysquelch all right, let's see for
the covenant 165.
I feel like that's still toorecent uh, that was 150 way.
What did you?

(29:47):
Is that what you were thinking?

Wilson (29:51):
I didn't pick.

Captain (29:53):
Okay, mathis, mathias, mathis, they said Mathis, right.

Wilson (29:58):
I thought they were saying Matthias oh.

Captain (30:00):
Matthias.
Yeah, they were saying Matthias.
Yeah, okay, joe Anderson asMatthias, and he's one of the
kills in the Creep movies, whichI like, those, but you're
whatever about those.
And then he's Alistair inTwilight.
Yeah, do you know?

Wilson (30:15):
who that is.
Yeah.

Captain (30:17):
Your buddy, your bestie .

Wilson (30:18):
Well, he's not that big of a character.
Oh.

Captain (30:21):
Okay, and then, oh, one of the Mayan leads Sergio.
Oh, the guy that was screaming,sergio.
Calderon?
What are you talking about?
Sergio Calderon as the leadMayan.

Wilson (30:38):
Oh, sorry, I didn't know .
You switched to the next.

Captain (30:41):
Oh.

Wilson (30:41):
I thought we were still talking about Joe.

Captain (30:43):
Did you want me to?
What else is there to say aboutJoe?

Wilson (30:45):
Oh no, I think that's it .

Captain (30:48):
I don't think that's really worth mentioning.
I mean, this guy played.

Wilson (30:50):
Did you say something?
This stuff is so mean.

Captain (30:55):
I mean, I don't know him and his role in this movie
is not very big.
No.
But the biggest role is that hewas some Captain Villanueva in
Pirates of the Caribbean is thathe was some Captain Villanova
in.
Pirates of the Caribbean.
Some people make a really goodoccupation as just being small

(31:18):
roles in a bunch of movies.

Wilson (31:20):
Oh yeah, I think.
Because I was looking at hisface and I was like why does he
look familiar?
He played an alien that Iremember in Men in in black.

Captain (31:30):
I was like, oh yeah, I did I did see um that came up
too, but I was like it soundslike his role in that movie was
also so small that oh yeah I waslike, do I even bring that up?
um, okay, but anyway, the maincast is the four, the four
people we have amy and stacy,who are best friends, and then
their boyfriends, jeff and eric.
Those are like the main mainpeople in the movie.

(31:52):
Okay, so there is oh shit Iforgot about, yeah, the brief
prologue of a woman crouchingalone in darkness screaming for
help.
Unnecessary, really.
We didn't really know that.
That threat you were talkingabout.
No, no, no.
At the very beginning, wherethere's a lady screaming in
darkness.

Wilson (32:12):
Oh, I forgot about that.

Captain (32:14):
I know I forgot about that too, but it's like
unnecessary.
Do you have a cat attack thatyou're?

Wilson (32:19):
Yeah, I can't touch my desk because he's just like.

Captain (32:24):
Needs it.
Look at this, yeah he's like uh, excuse you, he's uh, he wants
to be on the mic yeah, he's, hewants pets, okay, um yeah,
there's just a scene of a womanscreaming for help, um in a dark
hole, the beginning.

Wilson (32:44):
That is unnecessary really but I don't think that
adds anything no, it reallydoesn't.

Captain (32:50):
I mean, the movie's a little short, I don't know I
guess that's true.
It adds some time so okay, sowe get the four main friends.
They're chilling at a pool onvacation in mexico, um they, a
random dude like approaches thema german tourist who, um, I did

(33:11):
not pick this up when he firstsaid it, but apparently he's
looking for his brother yeah, Ididn't.
Yeah, missed that completelyyeah, that must have been so
quick um but also if I'm ever onvacation and someone like scam,
yeah, scam yeah, never.
Nope, it's definitely scam.

Wilson (33:29):
Like I already planned this vacation and this is not
what's going to happen.

Captain (33:32):
Yeah, and like what Jeff was like really excited to
do this because he was like it'soff the beaten path.
And I'm like, sir, if you wantit off the beaten path, you
should have planned that monthsago.
This is not a let's go right nowsituation with some rando that
we don't know, yeah, like a day,a day before you're supposed to

(33:52):
leave, yeah, no, so icky.
But yeah, random dudeapproaches them and he's like
you want to go to this templewith me?
Um, and so they do.
It's like an archaeologicalsite that's remote in the mayan
jungle, um, and his, that'smatthias, who approaches them,
so they get really drunk at abeach before they go that night.
And what Amy, who's Jeff'sgirlfriend, makes out with

(34:19):
Mateus, which they stop herbefore she does anything worse.
But then they were like, oh,her friend's like, oh, it's fine
, and she's just crashing outbecause Jeff's about to go to
med school 2,000 miles away.
So she doesn't know if it'sfine.
Like she's just crashing outbecause her Jeff's about to go
to med school 2,000 miles away,so like she doesn't know what's
gonna work.
And I'm like, yeah, I don'thave a lot of faith.

Wilson (34:38):
Um, yeah, but still like weird vibes from just the both
of them, or?

Captain (34:42):
very strange, yeah, um, so the next morning Amy doesn't
even want to go.
She's like throwing up in abathtub or in the toilet, but
she just decides to go anyway.
Um, and I love that when theyget on the tour bus to go to the
town, I I didn't I mentionedthis to you before, but like the

(35:02):
2008 is screaming through thescreen because they're doing
that, um, layered tank top thing.

Wilson (35:08):
That was really popular oh, I didn't even notice oh my
god, it's like killing me.

Captain (35:13):
Like two tank tops that are exactly the same, but like
the blue one is over the whiteone I'm like, oh, that was a
special fashion time, speakingof fashion photography, um.
But yeah, then they so they likeget to the town, they're joined
by some friend of matthiasdimitri, and then they have to

(35:35):
get like in the back of a taxi,like on the bed of a truck, and
go even further into the woods.
Amy's like very ill-preparedbecause she has fucking
flip-flops on and she's didn'tknow that she had to hike okay,
I like your feet would be ruinedby the end of this.
By the way, but also why?

Wilson (35:55):
why would her, like boyfriend or any of her friends,
tell her, hey, you know we'regoing hiking, wasn't gonna go
well, no, but you still likeshould tell her those won't be
good for you yeah, like I'm.

Captain (36:08):
I mean I'm surprised she even had pants on, but like
instead of shorts or something.
But yeah yeah, like her friendis in like long pants and and
sneakers when she goes.
But yeah, I don't know the.
I think it's supposed to belike she's just hung over and
not putting in her effort, butthe flip-flops are killing me.

(36:29):
I'm like your feet would be cutup, bug bite up, like at one
point the movie they closed inon her foot and she has like her
full nail polish on.
I'm like that would be.
That would be crockedeverywhere like not good, um, I
don't know.
The idea of even hiking twomiles with flip-flops on is like

(36:49):
mentally killing me.

Wilson (36:53):
So and they're gonna break oh, oh yeah.

Captain (36:56):
How do her flip-flops not break?
Um, okay, I've brokenflip-flops.
Like walking back from thebeach and like the suction of
the water ocean breaks themyou're like they've been there
they've been there, yep okayokay.
So they get into the deep,remote ruins and they're, uh,

(37:19):
confronted by mayan villagerslike kind of, as they approach
this temple.
Um, there's like a dude on ahorse that rides up on a horse
and screaming at them.
Not in in English, not inSpanish.
Did they say what language itwas?

Wilson (37:33):
I think it's supposed to be Mayan.

Captain (37:36):
That's a language.

Wilson (37:37):
I mean, I think it is or was, I don't know.

Captain (37:41):
Well, they can't communicate at all and he's just
screaming at them and hedoesn't know why they're
screaming.
But at one point during that,amy steps on some of the plants
outside the temple and theneverybody's screaming Like it's
really intense, and they thinkthat they're screaming because
she has a camera and she'staking pictures.
But you know, as we know now,it's because she stepped on the

(38:04):
plants.
So when she does that, what?
They shoot an arrow in theheart of Dimitri, who also
briefly steps on the plants, andthen the main, the lead, mayan
Sergio, comes up close to himand shoots him in the face with
a gun.
So like the escalation of likethey just got there and they're

(38:27):
like casually checking out thetemple to one of the people that
, with them, fucking dies, is socrazy.
Like when we were watching itwe were both like jaw dropped oh
yeah, I didn't think anythingwas gonna happen right there I
wasn't yeah, I wasn't expectinganything um so like but the

(38:47):
movie's like skipping pace.

Wilson (38:49):
I'm not like waiting around for something to happen.

Captain (38:52):
I'm not waiting and I don't feel like it's overrun too
quickly no no, so it's good.
That's somehow a very hardbalance to find in these movies.
Okay, so then they run up thetemple because they recognize
that the native people won'tfollow them up there and they're

(39:12):
obviously really really freakedout.
There's no signal, which youeven said like while we were
watching, like how, what's theirplan to get back?
And like it's so funny.
Like shortly after you wrotethat, they were like how are we
gonna get back?
When I wrote the thing aboutthe flip-flops, the girl was
like shortly after she was likeI can't believe I'm doing this.
Flip, flip flops.
What are they listening?

(39:32):
So, yeah, so they don't haveany cell signal and Jeff says
it's fine, you know we set upcamp here, but you know,
eventually someone will comelooking for us Because, like you
know, we had other friends onthe beach with us last night.

Wilson (39:49):
The people that keep calling the Greeks yeah, yeah,
weird.
I don't love that.
No, like it doesn't sound likethey're trying to be derogatory
with it, but after they say itlike the eighth time, like do
you really?

Captain (40:01):
you don't know, nobody knows their names I know why
didn't you just throw some namesin there?
It's very strange, but they hada copy of the map.
So they were like someone willcome look for us.
If we don't make our flight,someone will come look for us.
If we don't check out of ourhotel, someone will come look
for us.
If we don't make our flight,someone will come look for us.
If we don't check out of ourhotel, someone will come look
for us.
And then they hear a cell phoneringing, but it's like in a
well or something and it's sodude.

(40:24):
That scene literally made melaugh, because Mateus was like
oh, that's my brother Hendrik'scell phone.
I know his ringtone, the mostregular ring, ring ring you
would ever hear.
We were both like sir eye roll.

Wilson (40:39):
I mean, I guess he's being hopeful, but like, come on
.

Captain (40:44):
I mean, I think maybe it would take you out of the
movie if his cell phone wassomething weird, like you know
like hot in here.
Yeah, like hot in here, Like,yeah, you, you know yin yang
twins.
Yeah, maybe it would take youout of it a little, but it's
just such a regular cell phone,it's just such a regular ring
that it was like sir relax, um,but it's like down this, like

(41:08):
well thing.
I don't know what that is.

Wilson (41:10):
I mean, I think it's there on the top of the pyramid,
so they're just going in theroof yeah, but like why is it
shaped like a well and why isthere a rope like a well?
Uh, somebody probably likeexploring, and then they well
met.
The same thing everyone elsedid built that way what do you
mean?
I mean, I think somebody justlike went to the top.

(41:33):
It's built that way.
What do you mean?
It wasn't built.
I mean, I think somebody justlike went to the top and knocked
the ceiling in and wanted to goinside.

Captain (41:40):
Oh, I mean, it looked like constructed.

Wilson (41:43):
What do you mean constructed?

Captain (41:44):
Like the hole.
It wasn't just like knocked out, it was like constructed.

Wilson (41:48):
I don't know?

Captain (41:50):
Okay.
Well, anyway, have I ever beento ruins?
No, so maybe they're all builtthat way.

Wilson (41:57):
Well, I don't really want to go to any Maybe.

Captain (41:58):
well, I'd go to look Because of the vines.
On the outside.

Wilson (42:01):
I just don't want to like, go inside.

Captain (42:04):
Yeah, yeah, they're ruins for a reason, I guess.
Okay so, yeah so they okay so,um, yeah, so they go down the
shaft because they hear the cellphone down there.
Um, matthias goes down first,gets cranked down there, the
rope quickly snaps man falls to,falls into the abyss of
darkness, but they can hearmoaning so they know he's not

(42:26):
dead.
So then they're like fuck.
So then they send stacy downthere after him and she goes
down to look for him in the cellphone.
But when she goes down also therope's not long enough so she
like almost breaks her leg.
Her knee's like smashed.

Wilson (42:42):
I don't really understand how yeah.

Captain (42:45):
I mean, it's bleeding a lot, it's not a little.

Wilson (42:47):
I mean she got like a big shard of glass in there or
something.

Captain (42:53):
Didn't it look like glass?
But I was like how the fuck isthere glass down here?

Wilson (42:56):
I don't know, last person that fell down, I guess.
Yeah, maybe they had bottles ofliquor, yeah.

Captain (43:03):
So she also then talks to Mateus and he's like, yeah, I
can't move my legs, can't feelthem.
She's like, oh, fuck, yourback's broken.
So Jeff's like, oh, fuck, yourback's broken, um.
So jeff's like, well, it's okay, I'm a med student.
We're gonna build him abackboard and we're gonna bring
it down and you guys are gonnaget him on it.
But she's like, sir I, this isnot what we signed up for I mean

(43:24):
, that's how amy's feeling she'slike amy was like I'm not doing
this shit.
But uh, she basically just doesit, because they're like what
are we gonna do?
Let him die down there.
It's just, you watch this movieand you're like l after l after
l.
It's like you guys madeterrible choices.
You, you continue to maketerrible choices.

(43:46):
I don't know, it's just like,and there's not too much they
can do about what hand they'redealt with, but it's like, oh my
God, you're just watching itand you're like Jesus Christ.
So they get him out.
They make Stacey and Amy pickhim up because the boys have to
work at the top to crank therope and when they get that man

(44:11):
on the stretcher, he is likescreaming in agony Um, yeah,
cause they bend him in half.

Wilson (44:19):
Yeah.

Captain (44:20):
They like, he's like, I don't know.
It's horrendous to watch whenthey're lifting him, Cause
they're like yes.
I was going to say you hear thecrunching and the cracking and
whatever he gets on the board.
Um, there was a brief momentwhere Amy was like we're not
doing this and she's like I'mgoing to go down and talk to the
Mayans and ask them for help.
And I was thinking to myselfAmy, you already watched one of

(44:41):
them shoot somebody in the face.
They're not going to helpsomebody that broke their back.
No.
Who do you?
This was like five minutes agothey just murdered somebody yes,
did you forget who you justtalked to?
So she goes down there andshe's like you've got to help us
.
But they obviously can'tcommunicate at all and in
frustration she rips some plantsout and she throws them at a

(45:03):
little boy that's with theMayans.
And then again everybody freaksout and then they kill that
little boy in front of yeah, infront of amy and jeff, because
he got hit with the plant.
Um, it's, I think I, they also.
I feel like the people, themayans are now doubly mad

(45:26):
because you like made them killone of their kids.

Wilson (45:29):
Oh, yeah, I, this girl, the first half of the movie.
I'm like you're.

Captain (45:34):
Amy when we watched her get drunk and make out with
Mateus.
We both were like she's dying.
First I really thought honestlyat one point in the movie, when
Stacey starts freaking out, Iwas like, stacey, don't make me
be, you're forcing Amy to be thelike, the voice of reason, and

(45:55):
that's not who she was supposedto be, um, anyway.
So like now, they've killed twopeople, the mayans, and, um,
they already have some personmatthias and stacy actually that
are hurt.
So at night, um, there's abrief discussion where jeff
realizes that the thing thatthey're scared of is the plants.

(46:15):
Like that's why, um, you knowthey won't come up here, um, and
that's why they reacted thatway.
So, like now they know that'sthe plants that are the problem.
Um, and Jeff is afraid.
He says, like I'm afraid Mateuswill die here from infection.
Um, my friend Mateus will diehere from infection.
And the next morning Jeffbriefly finds a skeleton in the

(46:38):
vines, doesn't say anything toanybody, which is crazy.
And then Stacey and Mateus, whoboth got hurt are both like
jacked up with vines growingfrom their wounds.
So Stacey's is gross, butMateus's is way worse.

(47:00):
Oh my gosh, this looks terrible.
It's like literally eating thedermis off his body of his legs,
yeah, and there's.

Wilson (47:03):
There's such build-up to that scene too, because he was
like covered in the blanket andhe kept screaming about to like
somebody look at my legs.

Captain (47:10):
I was like oh yeah, we see stacy's first and her
there's like vines growing outof her wound on her knee and her
boyfriend's like ripping themout.
And then, yeah, then you hearamy and matthias like screaming
about his like, yeah, and itliterally it seems like the
vines eat dead or dying tissueis what it seems like like
because it doesn't eat themwhile they're like freshly alive

(47:32):
.
It's almost like what is that?
A vulture that only eats deadthings.
Like it ate his legs after theystarted dying because they had
a tourniquet on them oh, sothat's have an open wound or an
infected wound, that's almostwhat it seems like and like
later on, when there's likeseparated tissues of body, like
they just like drag them awayyeah

(47:54):
like it has to be dead or dying.
Um, so anyway, um, matthias'slegs jacked the fuck up, like
literally, you know, jeff's likehe has bone that's exposed to
the environment, like now he'slike deaf, gonna die.
Um, they still keep hearing aphone ringing down the well,
which you even said.
It was like why didn't they getthe phone?

(48:14):
But I think around the sametime they realized the plants
might be the problem and theycould hear that the phone was
like in the plant somewhere.
So they decided like maybe not.
But now, with two deaths, twoinjuries, they were like maybe
we should get the phone.
Um, so the two girls go downthere and they have to step on

(48:35):
the vines and when they're downthere they also find their dead
body a woman that's holding acell phone, uh, or a dead body
that's holding a cell phone.
And when they look at the phoneit's like cracked and not
working but, they keep hearingthe ringing noise and they like
get close to the flowers and thevines, and the flowers are like
vibrating and they're mimickingthe sound of a cell phone like

(48:58):
the way that a parrot wouldmimic it.
So that's what they werehearing the whole time the
flowers mimicking the noise ofthe cell phone.
And I was like bruh, that is socool, like I don't know that I
that's probably my rag.
Yeah.
I love that scene Because likethe realization that like, oh,
you're like fully fucked and youlike even put yourself in more

(49:19):
danger by stepping on all theseplants to get this thing.

Wilson (49:23):
And this is where I feel like the movie turns and you're
like, oh, these people are notsurviving.
It's not going to be one ofthose movies.

Captain (49:32):
And around the same time when the girls get out.
So she like pinches one of theflowers that are making this
noise amy, I think and then,like the vines in the area,
attack and, um, there was a jumpscare in there and it got me
like a vine, like reaching outand like snatching her arm.
You turned your camera off, so Idon't know if you I was eating,
saw me, but I know, but uh, butI like got a full jump scare,

(49:56):
which it got me, which I alsoappreciated.
Uh, but they do get out ofthere and they're, like, you
know, yelling at the top.
You know, when they get to thetop of the boys, they're like
there's no fucking cell phoneand they explain the flowers, um
, and they're like freaking outeven more.
Jeff's weirdly optimistic,saying like somebody is coming
for us, like we'll be okay, butAmy's like no, we're like

(50:17):
literally being quarantined uphere, we're being left here to
die.
And they, you know, they're notgoing to like just let us go,
like they don't want this thingto spread, like we're not
getting out of here.
And Jeff was like four Americansdon't just go on vacation and
disappear.
And I'm like, sir, I know thatyou wouldn't believe that, but
like have you seen the truecrime documentaries that are out
there?

(50:37):
You would just be another truecrime documentary about someone
that went missing and I'd watchthe hell out of it.
Um, so I don't know, I just Imean, I understand his logic,
but it's not gonna work.
And then, shortly after this,jeff's like yeah, matthias,

(51:00):
we're gonna have to cut his legsoff because he's definitely
dying.
I'm like, sir, you thinkcutting your, cutting his legs
off is just going to slow downhow quickly he dies?
You know what I mean mean Likethis is not a good plan.
But Mateus, even like can hearthem talking and he tells them
to do it, which then you're likefuck, I feel like if he's

(51:20):
telling me to, I should, butlike Wilson I was, so I don't
think I would be able to in thatsituation, like I would vote
against it.

Wilson (51:31):
Yeah, they voted.
Yeah, be able to, in thatsituation, like I would vote
against it.
Yeah, they voted, yeah, yeah,and they even like, wow, I.
I feel like they did a terriblejob, though trying to cauterize
it afterwards, because, like hehad still these severely bloody
stumps, and then this is wherethe vines came in and, like,
took his feet that were, yeah,his dead legs away.

(51:52):
They were like thanks for thelunch yeah, this was the part
where I'm like why have thesevines like this guy's been
laying here for like a day and ahalf?
They don't pull him awaybecause he is like?

Captain (52:04):
I think I mean.
The only thing I can guess,which they probably explain this
more in the book, is that likethey can only eat dead or dying,
so it's like yeah, but that guywas already almost out the door
he took his dead legs, but therest of him is alive.
Well, yeah.
He's going to eat the dead part.

Wilson (52:22):
There's just some things that don't make sense, unless
this plant is just malicious andit's playing with them.

Captain (52:28):
Torture plant yeah, yeah.
We see those.

Wilson (52:32):
Yeah, all the time.

Captain (52:36):
I mean I I feel like again, this would probably be
more explained in the book, butI wasn't mad about it.
I don't know it made enoughsense that, like they, only so
far we have only ever seen themeat, and throughout the whole
movie they only ever eat thedead or dying.
They'll attack live, but theywon't like eat them well, I mean
, what's her face?

Wilson (52:55):
uh, stacy just had that cut on her leg, but it was like
it was trying to get her okay,she would like cut her face and
her leg and her stomach, likewell, like later later that.

Captain (53:09):
No, like the first scene in the tent where yeah,
yeah, yeah well, I think it'sbecause, like the first scene in
the tent where it like yeah,yeah, yeah.
Well, I think it's because,like the gash in her leg, like
technically, the skin in thatarea is dead or dying.

Wilson (53:21):
Okay, you're saying like very flexible logic here.

Captain (53:25):
Well, I didn't write it , Okay.
So anyway, yes, okay.
So they cut his legs off Nasty,they break the bones.
The movie one poor one outwould be how juicy it is in
certain scenes Very bloody, verybloody.
Um, they cut his, they breakhis bones, they cut his legs off
.
They use a frying pan tocauterize.

(53:49):
Um, it's no anesthesia, no analanalgesics, and he's screaming
the whole time.
Like you know, the idea is thathe can't feel his legs.
I'm like he can definitely feelhis legs.
And amy even says to jeff likeI don't understand how you could
do this, like he literally wasscreaming, please stop.
Apparently, while that washappening, like they were

(54:11):
listening to it from the tent, Iwas like jeff, are you a
psychopath?

Wilson (54:18):
yeah, I don't know what they're trying to tell there.
Like it's just.
Is this just an inexperiencedsoon-to-be doctor trying to be
cool, or like he?

Captain (54:25):
seemed a little too quick to cutting.
He seemed really into cutting.
I was like if this man wasallowed to live, I feel like he
would eventually make it up ondexter's table.
He seemed really excited aboutcutting.
I don't know um, and you knowhe blows amy off by just saying

(54:45):
like it's just a visual thing.
He can't actually feel um sureyeah, I know, like sure, um.
And then jeff realizes that um,like he goes down to the bottom
at that night and he, you know,talks to the or like watches the
mayans and sees as they watchhim, they like follow him as he

(55:06):
walks around the temple, um,which I didn't think much of
until it comes up later in themovie.
So it's just nice to see that.
And then I think the nextmorning Stacy is like she's
pretty gone, or they cut intoher too.
Right, they cut the vines outof her body too.

Wilson (55:24):
Yeah, they do realize she was actually telling the
truth and saying that she hadstuff inside her.
So they cut it out of her backand her leg.
Mentally unwell, yeah, unwell,yeah, yes yes, she's like
crashing out.

Captain (55:36):
Oh, she also the vines play a trick on her, where she
hears her best friend and herboyfriend moaning oh, she was
wild now in this scene yeah, andthey were like he.
They were literally just cryingand comforting each other, but
she was like no, you werefucking each other directly
outside of the tent while I wasin the tent.
I'm like girl, relax, but Ithink the flowers were, uh,

(56:00):
mimicking, moaning, I guess.
So you know, that's what sheheard, um, but she is not doing
well, like she's crashing outand she's telling them to cut
her wounds, and you know, theygrab the vines out of her body
but, like um, she just wants tocut her wounds even more.
There's like this interestingscene where the flowers are
screaming at her um, and it'slike an orchestra of voices, as

(56:23):
all the flowers are making itand it sounded really cool.
I was like really down with theflowers with a new album just
dropped um, I mean, scott canalso be a musician at this point
.
He does everything else.
Um, okay, and then?

Wilson (56:43):
so she well, she, this is where you think she's crazy,
right, because even after theypull him out, she's still
screaming about it yes but thenwe find out she was.

Captain (56:54):
She is still diviney yes, I mean she wakes up the
next morning.

Wilson (56:58):
I took about when she wakes up the next morning to
grab the knife by herself yeah,like yeah, I feel like we think
she's crazy, but like whenevereveryone else wakes up, you can
still see them like crawlinginside her oh yeah, briefly,
they.

Captain (57:14):
They think that she's just mentally like not handling.
I mean, they don't have a lotof water, they don't have a lot
of food, they have like liquorand that's mostly all they have,
so like she's not nourished.
But she wakes up early next dayand grabs the knife herself and
she's just start slicingeverywhere, like her leg, her
forehead, her abdomen, um, andher.

(57:35):
The rest of her party wakes upto see that she's knifing
herself, um, and while they tryto get it from her, she slices
eric's hand open and thatdoesn't do anything, but then
she stabs her boyfriend in theheart with it by accident, but
like by accident, and I'm likeone more for the vines.

Wilson (57:54):
So the, the best character we had so far, just
knocked you liked eric the bestwell, he was like the most
level-headed, I feel like yeah,they.

Captain (58:03):
I feel like jeff's supposed to be the most
level-headed as a med student,but it's like he's really into
slicing um.
Oh wait, no, I mean, wait whatam I talking about?

Wilson (58:13):
oh, I was talking about.

Captain (58:14):
I was thinking about the other guy jeff, no, yeah,
the one that yeah, got stabbedoh, okay, yeah, no, I think the
doctor is the the mostlevel-headed level-headed.
Yeah, um, and stacy is likefreaking out that she killed her
boyfriend.
She's like you should just killme.
Um, I don't want to be here.

(58:34):
I'm half dead anyway becauseI'm bleeding everywhere.
So, um, I think we don'tactually see that she dies.

Wilson (58:41):
But right, but she just but we hear like a gunshot or
like a, a sobbing stopped orwhatever they yeah, the crying
stopped.

Captain (58:49):
Yeah, I don't think they had a gun, they had a knife
you're right, yeah, so theyjust stabbed her, um, jeff's
down.
He's like I'll kill you, sure?
Um, amy, obviously not, notabout it.
Um, okay, so then you know,finally we see jeff make up,
makes a plan with amy to escape.
They're like smearing stacy'sblood all over their bodies and

(59:10):
or all over her body.
And then Jeff tells her, likeyou know, no matter what happens
, you just need to run.
Like they have keys for a vanand he gives them to her and
he's like you need to make it tothe van and you just need to
keep going, don't wait foranybody, including me.
Um, so Jeff carries her down thetemple stairs, which looks like

(59:32):
she's a dead corpse, and hethen, like lays her on the
ground and then provokes andberates the Mayans, drawing
their attention like away fromAmy.
So he does that thing where hewas doing previously, where he
was like walking down around thetemple and they're just
following him as he's talking tothem.
And then, once the signal goesy, gets up and she starts running

(59:54):
.
Um, and they eventually shootjeff with arrows and a gun.
But they don't.
They're, they're really farbehind amy because she starts
running before they even realizethat she got up.
Um, so they're like chasingafter her.
She's like dodging arrows, butshe does make her way to the van
and they always do that thingwhere they make it to the car,

(01:00:15):
where they're freaking out withthe keys and they can't get them
in the hole, but she does andthe van starts and she gets to
escape the temple.
Now, is this good for humanity?

Wilson (01:00:32):
No, but I guess we don't know how.

Captain (01:00:36):
That she has vines.

Wilson (01:00:38):
Yeah, like is it just if it's growing on her like the
little fuzz or?

Captain (01:00:43):
I mean, if she like burns those clothes and then
showers and then like makes sureshe doesn't have any cuts on
her for the next couple of days,she's probably fine.

Wilson (01:00:57):
Yeah, I don't know if the movie is Trying to say like
the world's now ruined, but Ididn't get that vibe.

Captain (01:01:04):
I didn't get that vibe either.
Like the hopeful that somebodymade it out is, I think the vibe
they were going for.
But I wasn't expecting anybodyto make it out, to be honest.
Yeah.
But, and then the very lastscene we see is that Jeff was
right the whole time, thatDimitri's friends do come
looking for him, the Greeks,because they had a copy of the

(01:01:24):
map, and you see a final sceneof them walking up towards the
temple.
Um, as they're about to lookfor him, which I don't think we
really needed, that scene either, like this front and this,
these bookends I don't know ifwe really needed them yeah, it
doesn't really add anything.

Wilson (01:01:40):
Um the the ending one's a little better than the
beginning because it's like what?
Yeah I really don't get whythis is here.

Captain (01:01:49):
I would almost rather which I know this probably is
overdone a lot, but I wouldalmost rather get a hinge that
maybe the vines are on their wayto ruin humanity than those
scenes that did nothing for me,like I'd rather the scene
actually like do something, meansomething, than like here's,
here's some other things.

(01:02:09):
Yeah, you know yeah I would.
I don't know that.
I would rather take that um.

Wilson (01:02:17):
But I did see there was an alternate ending yes, there
is an alternate ending.

Captain (01:02:23):
There's actually like a decent amount of hot goose on
here.
What do you want me to?
You want me to start with thegoose, or?

Wilson (01:02:29):
uh, yeah, but can you do the alternate ending?

Captain (01:02:31):
I'm curious about that okay, so the alternate ending is
on the dvd.
You know I don't buy dvds, Iknow you do, but that is the one
thing that we're missed like wemiss in today's culture is like
the extras on the dvd of thecommentary director's commentary
and the deleted scenes andalternate endings.
Sometimes that stuff is cool,so okay.
But the alternate ending showsAmy driving away from her after

(01:02:53):
she escapes and she looks in therearview mirror and she sees a
small line moving under her skin, just below her eye.
The next scene takes placesometime later in a cemetery.
The caretaker whistles a song.
When he hears something repeatit, he finds that the sound is
coming from a flower on atombstone which was revealed to
be amy's, who died uponreturning home.

(01:03:14):
The carnivorous sound mimickingvines are now growing outside
of her grave, which I love thatway better.
I love that way better.
I love that way better.
Apparently, carter Smith told aninterviewer that they shot a
bunch of different stuff to seewhich one they would think would
work best and they did a bunchof different testing audiences.

(01:03:40):
And it can be frustrating to doall of that, but they really,
you know, wanted a good sense ofwhat the audience would think
about the ending.
So their final decision wasfrom was informed by what
audiences found most satisfying,which is watching somebody make
their way out.
Um they, they thought that theaudience you know wouldn't

(01:04:06):
necessarily want to seeeverybody that they just watched
for 90 minutes die.
So, I just wish that they wentwith the other ending, Like that
would have been so much better.

Wilson (01:04:16):
Yeah, I'm trying to understand how that would work,
though.
So they're just saying, likethe close-up showed she had
vines.
Yeah, like she looked atherself in the mirror and she
had vines, and then I guess, shedied, so she made it home I
guess, and then they buried her.

Captain (01:04:31):
But it just feels kind of interesting, like Well, she's
dead, so she's dying, yeah, butlike would no one notice the
vines infecting her body?

Wilson (01:04:41):
or like do an autopsy?

Captain (01:04:48):
vines infecting her body or like do an autopsy the
funeral?
I would have questions becausethey would embalm her.
If anything, we should seevines like at the mortician's
table.
You know what I mean yeahbefore they embalm, like that's.
what I would actually prefer tosee is, like as they were
preparing her for a funeral.
You know, there's like's likesome conversation about like
yeah, they're not really sure,like why she died Some type of

(01:05:09):
something that she got fromMexico, and then, like, one of
them gets a vine in them.
That would be cool.

Wilson (01:05:16):
I like that would be cool.
I'm just thinking about I wantto watch that alternate ending.

Captain (01:05:24):
Oh, I don't know how you're going to do.
You have the DVD.

Wilson (01:05:26):
No, but it's on YouTube.

Captain (01:05:28):
Oh, interesting.
I kind of want to read the bookI already added it to my
Goodreads.
Oh, time to add it to myGoodreads.

Wilson (01:05:37):
There we go.

Captain (01:05:38):
What's its Goodreads review?

Wilson (01:05:40):
I didn't look that close , honestly.

Captain (01:05:48):
Wilson wants to read.
Read.
I haven't done that in a longtime.
Oh, did I already add it to mywant to read?
Oh, I already did.

Wilson (01:05:55):
All right, wow, okay all right, what are there?
Um, okay, yeah, what other hotcosts you got?

Captain (01:06:01):
okay.
Well, do you want to get to thenums really quick?
Because oh yeah yeah, okay, sothe critics score is a 51,
audience scores the 30, so thisis technically like a not great
movie.
I gave it to you on there a 2.8on letterbox and the budget was
25 mil and the box office was22.9 mil, so they didn't meet

(01:06:21):
their quota.
I feel like that score is alittle rough, like I don't think
this movie's that bad I don'teither honestly kind of did too,
which I was not expecting I, I,I don't know, I mean more
explanation about the vines.
Maybe they could have given meand like changing the alternate
ending, just they already shot agood alternate ending, like

(01:06:45):
just making it that one insteadhonestly would have would have
been better.
But like I'm not mad about this, like I would probably give
this like a three and a half onletterbox okay, I was thinking
um, I was thinking three, butlike, yeah, that's like right
around there yeah, I think if Ihad to give a percentage, did
you already rate it?
I was about to right now.
If I had to give a percentage,did you?

Wilson (01:07:05):
already rate it.

Captain (01:07:06):
I was about to, right now if I had to give a
percentage for this movie, um,what's a 3.5?
What is that?
At 70, uh, I think that's a 70.
Yeah, um, I'd give it a 71, wowpercentage.

Wilson (01:07:32):
Okay, I mean okay.
So while I liked it, I gave ita 55 percent wow, it's better
than a 55.

Captain (01:07:42):
Wilson.
We've seen 55s.

Wilson (01:07:46):
Yeah, maybe I'll bump it up.

Captain (01:07:48):
Bump it up a little.

Wilson (01:07:50):
My letterbox is, I think , staying at three, though.

Captain (01:07:53):
Okay, well, that's a 60 .
All right, I like that.
I always make you smudge yournumbers.
Okay, so in the novel there areruins to speak of, but it's
like a hill overgrown with thevines, or sorry.
There's no ruins to speak of,sorry, it's just like a hill

(01:08:14):
with overgrown vines, um, and ashaft cut into it.
I guess the film rights werepurchased before the novel was
published.
I already talked about that.
It was shot primarily inAustralia.
Oh, this is the thing that youcheated.
Australia in the winter.
So apparently heavy coats wereprovided for actors in between

(01:08:35):
takes and their sweat was donewith like olive oil spread on
their bodies because it wasreally cold.
And you said at one point.

Wilson (01:08:46):
You saw goosebumps on one of them.
I swear I saw just like aripple of goosebumps across her
chest.

Captain (01:08:50):
But they do a good job of looking hot.
It looks sunny.
You see the glistening on themvery frequently.
Um, so they that part of.
I don't know if that's costumeor special effects, but that
department did a good job.
Oh yeah.
And then we talked about theultra ending already.

(01:09:10):
Oh, I thought there was more.
Oh yes, the character played bySean Ashmore wears a T-shirt
with a symbol that resembles abullseye.
Director Carter Smith remarkedon the DVD commentary that that
was very deliberate.
Apparently, ashmore wears at-shirt with a symbol that
resembles a bullseye.
Director carter smith remarkedon the dvd commentary that that
was very deliberate, apparentlyoh for getting stabbed in the
heart yeah, um, so again it'slike we're losing these awesome

(01:09:37):
endings and directorcommentaries.
I guess you still buy dvds yeah,I don't.
I very rarely even look at theextras, but I like knowing
they're there I think whatruined like spending the time
and looking at those for me wasthe wali movie.
We had that on dvd and they hadlegitimately like over an hour

(01:09:57):
of extras on that dvd and Iremember watching them being
like huh, I don't think I needto spend time doing this Like I
don't know.
We watched them anyway, but notnecessary.
Yes, is that everything?
Yeah, I did already tell you myrag.

(01:10:21):
The initial phone flowers,mimicking, theicking the phone.
Do you have a rag?

Wilson (01:10:29):
uh, I didn't think about this in advance, um okay, well,
can I?

Captain (01:10:33):
I can give you another, as you're thinking.
I can say like a, a specialmention okay um the scene where
matthias is screaming bloodymurder because his legs are
being cut off.
I like that.
Briefly, they pan a shot of thelocals at the bottom, and it's

(01:10:54):
just a good shot, because thelocals seem entirely unbothered
at the bottom, as if they're notreacting to this in any way,
like they're expecting screamsto be happening.
And.
I thought that shot was reallycool to see that opposite
happening at the bottom thanwhat's happening at the top.

Wilson (01:11:13):
Yeah, I remember thinking something along those
lines while we were watching it.
It's just another day for thesepeople.

Captain (01:11:18):
Yes, it really is.
Yeah, okay, okay, did that help.

Wilson (01:11:24):
Yeah, um, okay, okay.
So yeah, I think my razor glassis probably like the first like
big ick scene.
Um, that got me.
It was just when she woke up,freaked out and like pulled that
vine out of her leg yeah, it'snasty.

Captain (01:11:39):
I mean, it's like wrapped around her calf and
stacy does a good job offreaking out she does it's a
good actress fair, fair, fair um.
Is that all we?
Is that all we got next time,do you?

Wilson (01:11:55):
want next time we got it .

Captain (01:11:56):
Next time got it next time we're doing stream, which
is a 2024 movie with our bestieDee Wallace.

Wilson (01:12:06):
Dee Wallace, that was a couple years ago now.

Captain (01:12:10):
Yes.
That was a hot minute Like over60 episodes ago.
Yeah, go check it out, it'sCritters 70 episodes ago, yeah,
75, something like that.
Yeah, so we're doing which.
I think in the interview withher she talks about this movie
briefly as something she'sworking on oh maybe not

(01:12:31):
something that sounds familiar Ithink she brought this up
briefly, which is when I put iton the list wow I know, okay, so
yeah, we're doing stream nexttime.
Um, oh man, I feel like, ifyou're looking for advice about
this to me, I mean, there are somany bad decisions that are

(01:12:52):
made so I don't even know, Idon't even know where to start.
Um, I mean, I think I thinkI'll start at the main one,
which is where they got in allthis trouble, where it's like,
if it, if somebody who you don'tknow approaches you on your
vacation and tries to get you togo somewhere or sell you

(01:13:12):
something, it's a scam andthat's real advice.