Trap

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How well do you really know the people closest to you? This week, Captain and Wilson break down the 2024 horror, and next M. Night Shyamalan installment, Trap. It stars Josh Hartnett, Ariel Donoghue, Saleka Night Shyamalan, Hayley Mills, and Alison Pill.

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Captain (00:18):
so, yes, the mission posse's mission posse.

Wilson (00:22):
Poshies.

Captain (00:23):
Okay, did you watch the ?
I didn't check your letterbox.
Did you watch all of them?

Wilson (00:29):
Yeah, we got all of them .

Captain (00:31):
You watched all of them .

Wilson (00:34):
Yes, well, so we watched one, two and three, like I
don't know six months ago.

Captain (00:40):
Oh.

Wilson (00:42):
And half of four.
So you cheated ago, oh and, andhalf, half of four.
So you cheated, well, and thenyou know, last week we restarted
for caught up four throughseven, okay, and then just
watched eight in theaters how doI find you on letterbox?

Captain (00:57):
like I don't understand this fucking works usually it's
well, it's like fastest on yourlittle home page.
New from friends otherwise.

Wilson (01:04):
Otherwise you can go to your profile.

Captain (01:05):
Yeah, but I wanted to see all.
Can I look at your diary or no?

Wilson (01:10):
You should be able to.

Captain (01:12):
Oh, I'm in there, I'm snooping.
Snooping I mean also, I thinkif you click on the movie itself
, your own rating, it'll tellyou what I rated it, so I guess
I didn't think you watched allof them, because I didn't
realize that you started it sixmonths ago yeah, like one
through three, and I don't knowif I put them on letterboxd oh,

(01:35):
I don't remember we talked aboutthis, but thank god you watched
paddington 2 and thank god yougave it five stars, as it
deserves wonderful movie evenwith all the build-up like so
much build-up from everyone inthe internet, it was still
fantastic great movie.
I like, I don't even, I can'teven explain to people like top
tier um six months ago, I don'tsee these well, so I I think

(02:00):
it's possible.

Wilson (02:01):
I did not rate one through three oof fake fan huh
let me hold on.
Let me so if I look up missionimpossible okay, what?

Captain (02:11):
I think?
What was the one ghost protocol?
It was the worst one.

Wilson (02:16):
Ghost protocol, worst one um, wait a second, wait a
second wait a second.

Captain (02:25):
Is that the one I like?

Wilson (02:26):
the most.

Captain (02:31):
I don't know, but that one not good.

Wilson (02:34):
I think, yeah, that's the Mission Impossible I rated
okay ew it's the newest one.
I gave a 4 and Ghost Protocol Igave a four.
And Ghost Protocol I gave afour.

Captain (02:47):
So I didn't think.
Let me start from the jump.
I didn't think I was going tolike these movies, but I was
forced to watch them in order towatch the new one.
And I am really glad that Iwatched them, because the
context, the layers of the storymatter so much.
And honestly, I think if Iwatched them loosey goosey, like

(03:11):
the year they came out, andthen didn't watch them for two
years until the next one, Idon't think I would have really
liked these movies that much.
But because I was.
What's that called?
What's that called binging?
Binging, binging them Binging, Ilike I don't know.
I think having all of thecharacters and the context and

(03:35):
the background and all of that,I think actually made me like
the movies more than I thought.
So the last two Dead ReckoningPart 1 and Part 2, I actually
like I gave it a four and a half.
I thought those were prettygood.

Wilson (03:46):
Well, I think that's hot goss, that they were originally
Part 1 and Part 2, and thenthey renamed them.

Captain (03:52):
Oh wait, what so it?

Wilson (03:54):
was originally Dead Reckoning and then Dead
Reckoning 2, but then it becameor Part 1 and Part 2, but then
it became just Dead Reckoning.

Captain (04:01):
Oh, and then the final reckoning and they put the they
say the titles of the movies inthe movie, which I don't usually
like.
It seems very cheesy when theydo that, but I was like I get
the hype because every timeyou're like tom cruise, you're a
fucking crazy person.
Like why are you doing this?
The next movie?
You're always like tom cruise,you're a fucking crazy person.

(04:22):
Why, like he tops himself so?

Wilson (04:26):
I understand the hype um yes I think by the end of
having watched like five ofthose movies within a week, I
I'm a little like missionimpossible out same tom cruise
is a lot fake outs and that yeahbut you know, okay, this is
what it would have given it afive stars.

Captain (04:46):
And I said this to Jay from the beginning.
I said if I ever see someoneplaying Tom Cruise and then they
take a mask off and they're notTom Cruise like the mask itself
is Tom Cruise I'll lose it Fivestars Because so unexpected, so
unexpected, like I was likethat's what I want to see.
If I was writing the finalmission possible, that's what it

(05:09):
would be.
The evil person would be playtom cruise somewhere and then
and take the mask off andthey're like not tom cruise,
wouldn't that be, wouldn't that?

Wilson (05:18):
be, that'd be a gag gag, gag I'm not saying I want that,
but it would be a gag you'restupid, but I would be um, I.
So the only thing about thismovie is I.
I like you could tell he wasgetting tired from some of these
stunts.
Like I, I was like I'm seeingan old man go like be tortured

(05:43):
yes, I agree with you, he's alittle lumpy yeah, and which is
it's okay.
It's just like I don't know howhe's still doing these movies.

Captain (05:51):
They had him they had that 60 year old man, shirtless,
for so much of this new movie.
I was a little surprised.

Wilson (05:57):
I was like he can, he can button it like it's okay I,
uh, I think what I wanted to seein the ending which I think
would have cheapened the movie,but I would have been gagged is
you know, in the spoiler?
Um, in the final scene wherehe's like meeting up with his
crew in london and they give himthat case and he opens it and

(06:18):
it's the container for um, Ilike I kind of wanted it.
Uh, he'd open the box to be like.
You know, it was that spiel ofwe have a new assignment.

Captain (06:30):
You know, oh, yeah, yeah but.
But the assignment is likeenter this nursing home or
retire not a nursing home Icould see retired nursing home
is brutal dude yeah, that thatwould.

Wilson (06:44):
That was mostly just like jokes, but like if, if his
team, like you know, played ajoke on him and was just like
retire.

Captain (06:51):
I was like, okay, that'd be kind of cute yeah, I
don't want to see this guy onanother mission no, I really did
think that they were going tokind of close it out a bit more
so that they can reboot missionimpossible with young people.
That's really what I thoughtthey were gonna do, so it's a
little interesting that they'renot doing that, but tom cruise
should not do another one ofthese no, no, I don't see how he

(07:13):
physically could I don't seehow he could either.
Yeah, he needs, he needs to laydown um, but I, like I said, I
wasn't, I wasn't mad about thesemovies yeah like I would
recommend oh yeah, absolutely.

Wilson (07:30):
I mean it's fun, it's like easy fun easy fun.

Captain (07:34):
I honestly was surprised that when I watched
all of them, there is not ahelicopter in every single movie
.
I think it's.
I think it's missing out oflike one of them we didn't watch
.
Okay, because it is a lot wedidn't watch two.

Wilson (07:43):
I think a helicopter is missing from one of them.
We didn't watch.

Captain (07:44):
Okay, because it is a lot.
We didn't watch two.
I think a helicopter is missingfrom one of them, but I don't
remember which one.

Wilson (07:48):
You need to watch two.
I wanted to watch two.

Captain (07:53):
I was foreboded to watch two.

Wilson (07:56):
I think now, because I imagine that it was a risk, that
you wouldn't want to continuewith the movies but now that
you've watched all the otherones, you there's nothing to
lose, yeah, but now I don'treally feel like it if that I'm
going backwards.
I mean it's like a cool virusstoryline, I don't know I know,
everyone universally hates it,but I think there's value in

(08:18):
watching it what's the one?

Captain (08:20):
is that the final?
No, that's, that's deadreckoning with the submarine.

Wilson (08:23):
It's well, both's Dead.
Reckoning with the submarine,it's well both.

Captain (08:26):
Yeah, but Dead Reckoning the intro scene where
you know they're like the subsattacking itself and they don't
know what's going on, oh yeah,Okay, I literally was like Jay,
you should have told me therewas a sci-fi one, I'll watch a
sci-fi one.
Like it was giving sci-fi.
I was really excited about that.

Wilson (08:47):
Yeah, okay.

Captain (08:49):
And then, side note, unrelated, we did see the new
Lilo and Stitch movie.
I don't know if you are goingto watch that.

Wilson (08:57):
I don't think I will.
I was never really into Liloand Stitch.

Captain (09:00):
It's mid Ew.
How are you?
A millennial not in toledo, andstitch I know you like, don't
you like?

Wilson (09:07):
quote lines with lieutenant from that movie or
something, or like.

Captain (09:10):
I feel like you recently referenced something
obscure and I was like probablythe music in that movie is so
fun I I just don't remember it.
I last saw it like at summercamp okay, you really should
re-watch it like I'll watch itwith you, the original, okay

(09:31):
we'll have a special episode, soyou would not recommend
watching the new one, though theremake.
I mean it's fine.
It's fine.
They changed the story around alittle bit and I'm glad they
just didn't do like a, a shotfor shot.
I mean a lot of it's a lot ofit's the same right, but like
the, the overall arching like uh, what's that?

(09:54):
Oh my god, I'm terrible withthis.
Like what's it called whenyou're like trying to teach a
lesson, the overall lesson ofthe movie is like slightly
different.

Wilson (10:03):
Moral of the story.
Moral of the story Same,basically the same syllables.

Captain (10:12):
Yeah, the moral of the story is slightly different,
which is nice.
I don't know, though.
It's like the first one's, justbetter.
You know what I'm reallyexcited about, which I already
pre-booked?
I pre-booked the, the pre-saletickies for okay, how to train.

Wilson (10:28):
You pre-booked the pre-sale.
Okay, how?

Captain (10:30):
to train your dragon dude oh, okay oh, how to train
your dragon I was.

Wilson (10:36):
Did I tell you I was so skeptical those movies, and then
I had a, a work trip oh like2019, um.
So I was like by myself andjust each night after work in
the hotel room, I watched, likeI watched all three movies and I
was like these are so good,dude.

Captain (10:53):
I did not watch them for years and then I was shown
them and I was like I are thesemade for me?
They're so, they're so good,they're so like five stars.
I yeah, they're yeah, all they.

Wilson (11:08):
What I've seen in the trailer so far, like it's gonna
be a good, they're gonna do agood job.

Captain (11:12):
We'll see if they mess it up oh my god, speaking of
trailers, wilson, if I have tohear megan say grab your vaginas
one more time wait what?

Wilson (11:21):
what's this for?
For the megan 2.0 movie whereshe's like I haven't seen a
trailer for this one yet whatI've seen the trailer just not
in a theater.

Captain (11:35):
Besides Lilo and Stitch , every movie we've gone to-
they have shown the Megan 2.0,and she's like, she's like, hold
on to your vaginas.
And I'm like, if I have to hearher say this one more time, I'm

(11:55):
gonna lose it yep, I don't know, I they're just.

Wilson (12:02):
They aren playing those, at least in the ones we're
watching.

Captain (12:05):
Are you more like of a family?
I don't know, man.
I think before the MissionImpossible movies they were
playing those.
And then what was the othermovies we watched?
I watched Soul oh my god,letterbox, I'm like where's my
list?
Um, yeah, the missionimpossible movie.

(12:28):
And then they played it beforethunderbolts and they played it
before until dawn.
And we watched drop, so theyplayed it in front of all of
those.

Wilson (12:37):
Oh my gosh I've seen most of those, but wow, nope,
nope, nope, nope.
I'm trying to think, like Isaid, I was one.
I've seen a bunch.

Captain (12:46):
I was saved in Lilo and Stitch.
There's too many kittiesSpeaking of Lilo and Stitch.
Literally as soon as the moviestarted we were getting to the
producer things that wereflashing on the screen.
The little kid that was sittingnext to Jay literally spilled
his entire bucket of popcorn andlike, and the mom was just like

(13:12):
I don't know.
At that point you like can't doanything.
You're just like that's, that'slife, it's.
It was just a little funny, um,but yeah, I, I don't need to
listen to the megan traileranymore.
I don't even know when thatmovie's coming out.

Wilson (13:25):
It's got to be soon.
I feel like it's June.
Yeah, okay, I mean, I'm goingto watch it.

Captain (13:31):
I'll watch it.

Wilson (13:32):
I mean, I thought the first one was pretty good.

Captain (13:35):
They are really rolling into the camp, I think, with
the second one, oh yeah.

Wilson (13:40):
Hopefully it's not too much, but we'll see campiness
might save it yeah, yeah,because how much can you really
do with that story?

Captain (13:50):
with that, I mean, it's either you camp it up or you
like make it more like thriller,and I don't really want to see
that yeah I I was wondering ifyou were gonna see bring her
back, because I see keepsgetting oh yeah um sponsored
towards me so hard yeah, becauseI liked talk to me a lot and
it's the same same people, Ithink, um, yeah, it looks good,

(14:15):
I'm gonna watch that shit yeah,I just wish it was in.
They're just not putting it inthe dolby, but they're putting
oh, our, our theater is gettingupgraded.

Wilson (14:26):
Oh, I'm so excited.

Captain (14:27):
You don't have Dolby.

Wilson (14:27):
I think we well, we have one and all the other theaters
have like these old seats and Ihate them.
I wonder if we'll get multipleDolby's.

Captain (14:37):
Oh, that's what it was.
I also found a destinationbloodlines.
They played it in front of thatmovie too.
Oh, of that movie too.
Oh, nope, didn't see it thereeither.
What?
Okay, well, did you like that?
I liked that, but I've neverseen any of the other final
destination movies?

Wilson (14:54):
oh yeah, no, actually I thought I was surprised, um, I
thought it was a pretty freshtake for like the seventh movie.

Captain (15:02):
Um, but you should watch the other ones yeah, I
never thought I'd like them thatmuch, but I was kind of
surprised by how much I likedthis one.
So I was like I was telling jay.
I was like I, I really likethis.
I was like I really like that.
The idea behind the movie isthat these people shouldn't have
been alive and they, theyescaped death.
And he was like, yeah, that's,that's every movie.

(15:22):
I was like what?

Wilson (15:24):
he was like yeah that.

Captain (15:25):
That's like the whole point.
It's like they're not supposedto be alive, so death comes and
kills them.
I was like, oh, I didn't knowthat, so maybe I would like them
.

Wilson (15:41):
Oh yeah, I mean, I think they're all pretty creative
with their scene that everyoneis supposed to die in.

Captain (15:47):
Yeah, they do get a little ridiculous, but they know
that.

Wilson (15:51):
Oh yeah.
So I thought this movie wasgood, for they had a lot maybe
the last one didn't, I justdon't remember it but a lot of
fake outs of like things thatdefinitely look like the trap
but doesn't end up being it, orat least not in the way you
would expect.

Captain (16:10):
I could see that yeah.

Wilson (16:12):
I've been getting a lot of videos shown to me on
Instagram of the behind thescenes of how they did a few of
the kill scenes.

Captain (16:21):
Yeah, you sent me the one.
I didn't know there was more.

Wilson (16:24):
Yeah, I say what the MRI kill scenes.
Yeah, you sent me the one, Ididn't know there was more what?

Captain (16:27):
yeah, I say what the mri no, you sent me the one that
was um the garbage truck, yeah,oh okay, the mri one's cool too
send it send it.

Wilson (16:37):
I'll have to try to find it.
Okay, all right, we'll remindme later.

Captain (16:40):
Okay, well, let's pop in here.

Wilson (16:48):
Let's pop the pop.

Captain (16:50):
All right, you ready, you here.

Wilson (16:53):
I'm ready, I am here.

Captain (16:57):
Okay, welcome to the 170th, oh gosh.
Episode of the Red Rum Podcast,where we review horror movies
while enjoying an adult beverageor two.
I'm captain and I'm wilson andthis week we're reviewing the
2024 american psychologicalthriller trap, written, produced
and directed by m nightshamalan.

(17:17):
So he put everything he gotinto this movie.

Wilson (17:21):
Um, shamalan is, uh, well known yes, he's done, just
a little bit there's a littlebit.

Captain (17:29):
Uh, he did six cents signs, the split glass combo.
Knock at the cabin the visithe's doing a movie didn't he
also do the village?
Did you do the village he?

Wilson (17:43):
did the visit.
I was thinking it was the thevillage.

Captain (17:48):
Oh, he's saying it like that because I forgot what that
was, but I know what that isnow uh, yes, that was him oh
well, whatever what the hell isthe visit?

Wilson (18:00):
is that the one with the grandkids?

Captain (18:02):
I thought so or is that the witch with the two v's?
Or maybe I type no, the witchis the one with the grandkids.
I thought so.
Or is that the witch with thetwo Vs?
Or maybe I type of.

Wilson (18:06):
No, the witch is the one that takes place in like the
1700s or something.

Captain (18:12):
With Anya Taylor-Joy.
Oh yeah, yeah, Yep, definitelyhas a goat in there.

Wilson (18:19):
Okay, I found the visit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.

Captain (18:21):
Okay, he also is doing a movie in 2026 that's coming
out soon.

Wilson (18:27):
Called Remains.

Captain (18:29):
I think, All right.

Wilson (18:32):
I don't think I've seen a trailer for that.

Captain (18:35):
I definitely haven't.
No, but yeah, so that's M Night.
What does M stand for?
Is it Night?
Night must be real.
Maybe it's just M Okay, I cantell you in a second uh, it
looks like minoge oh yeah Iguess it'd be a little bit long
to say it all, but I like thatwell, whatever yeah, night's not

(18:58):
his real middle name what is ituh is it tied to butcher I'm.
I will just spell it it'sn-e-l-l-i-y-a-t-t-u.
Oh, nelly, yeah, yeah, nelly,yeah, yeah.
Um, speaking of butcher, okay,so this movie has a big, a lot

(19:25):
of cast, um, but so our two maincharacters are cooper and riley
, that are the father daughterduo that are going to a concert.
So cooper is played by joshhartnett, who is john tate in
halloween, h2o, I don't knowwhich one that I, I don't know
that's.
Is that the main character fromthat movie?
I don't know, but he's also inoppenheimer, um, he's a couple

(19:51):
of penny dreadful characters andhe is an episode of black
mirror.
He's got beady little eyes, sohe's like he does.

Wilson (19:58):
I mean I yeah, I think he was like the teen heartthrob,
though in like early 2000s orlate 90s he was in the Faculty,
which I don't think we've doneyet, but that is like perfect
for us.

Captain (20:10):
Really.

Wilson (20:11):
Yeah, it's like a cult classic.
I think you'd be.

Captain (20:14):
It's a horror.

Wilson (20:15):
Yeah, if you haven't seen this, I think you'd be like
, I think you'd really like it1998?
.
Sounds right.

Captain (20:25):
That's not him on the front, is it?
There's no way.

Wilson (20:29):
I'm pretty sure he's.

Captain (20:30):
That's him.
It's hard to recognize him.

Wilson (20:34):
Hold on, let me.

Captain (20:36):
Yeah, he's Zeke Tyler in the film Elijah Wood's in
here.

Wilson (20:42):
It's like a good cast.

Captain (20:43):
All right, let me put it on the letterbox I like.
Now I feel like I have to useit, even though it's a pain in
the fucking ass yeah, but it'sfun if they just made the app,
not a puzzle yeah, that's trueokay, I'm putting it on my watch

(21:04):
list right now, but I wanted tosee like, oh, creepy things
start happening around a school.
Okay, okay sold son of a bitchI'm in um, okay, so that's
cooper in this film, and thenhis daughter riley.
She's like literally 15 in reallife.

(21:25):
She's done like a few things,but nothing that was like
readable and then they're goingto a concert, the cons.
The concert is for lady raven,who's played by salika knight
shamalan.
So this is m night shamalan'sdaughter, um, she performed her
actual songs for this movie,which you know.

(21:46):
There was some uh complaintsthat this movie was basically
just a promotion for hisdaughter's music, um, which I
understand why people have thatcomplaint I didn't realize it
was his daughter until after themovie oh, so what did you?

Wilson (22:04):
so you felt like cool uh , well, I mean I think it was.
I just thought it was a fakeband for the movie so that I
didn't have a weird perceptionabout that and I thought her
acting was okay until I readreviews and saw she was and I
was like are these reviewschanging my opinion?

Captain (22:24):
yeah, I mean, I heard all of that before I ever saw
the movie, so I knew it wasgoing to be kind of like that,
which actually I think helped alittle bit.
But I have a hot take on this alittle bit which I'll talk
about okay, so okay um, and thenallison pill plays rachel, who
is uh cooper's wife and riley'smom, so she plays kim pine and

(22:47):
scott pilgrim versus the world.
Is that the main girl?
no, but it's, it's one of themokay, and then she is somebody
in star trek.
Do you know who dr agnes gergerardi is, gerardi?
I do yeah, she's from a bunchof stuff but I don't really
recognize a lot of it.
But her list is long.
She looks like two otherhollywood actresses.

(23:10):
Like they she looks very youknow, I don't know how to say
like it's just like a cookiecutter.
Like, okay, the um woman inwhite lotus that plays that
conservative lady that goes tochurch and judges her friends.

Wilson (23:28):
Yeah.

Captain (23:28):
They look very similar, in my opinion.

Wilson (23:32):
Do they?
Okay, maybe that is a hot take.

Captain (23:37):
Damn Okay.
And then Josephine Grant.
Oh yeah, the profiler, yeah, soHayley Mills plays Dr Grant,
who is a profiler for the FBI,and she was the original Parent

(23:57):
Trap Girl in the 1961 ParentTrap which, if you've ever seen,
that I watched it one time.
The Lindsay Lohan one issignificantly better, but she
plays the dual part, like theLindsay Lohan part in that.
And then she was in like a bunchof stuff in the 60s, but again
I don't really recognize it.
And then there's a couple othercharacters I don't really.

(24:22):
I mean, do you know, do yourecognize Jamie or Jodi's mom?

Wilson (24:29):
I don't, oh, I don't watch any of these things.
Yeah, at least that Jonathan,who's in this other person.

Captain (24:39):
Yeah, there's somebody who plays Jamie in this movie
Jonathan Langdon.
And then Mary McPhail Diamondplays Jodie's mom.
The lady that comes like talksto Cooper multiple times about
their daughter's fighting.

Wilson (24:54):
Oh Okay, yep, yep.

Captain (24:58):
But I don't really recognize that.
I mean they've been in stuffbut I don't really recognize it
Anyway.
So this is a complicated plot,Like the overall arching plot,
not complicated, but there's alot of stuff that happens in
this movie, especially as theend of it unravels where it's
like.
I mean it took almost likethree pages of notes because
there's like so much like yes,that, and the movie went away

(25:21):
like a direction.
I didn't think it was gonna gosame and it just kept going like
when I thought it was gonna beover, it wasn't over yeah so I
was like there's still an hourleft dude, when we were at the
halfway point of the movie I waslike I was like, oh, we're
coming to a conclusion and I waslike we, I was literally the
what I had watched was like 52minutes and there was like 52

(25:42):
minutes left and I was like howthe fuck, how the fuck is there?
How am I literally halfwaythrough like it was very strange
.
Um, anyway, so cooper is a dadtaking his daughter, riley, to a
um concert.
Like I said, and quickly on,cooper Cooper notices a lot of

(26:03):
security and police, like anunusual amount of security and
police at a concert.
So you can see from theaudience's perspective that he's
taking note of it.
He doesn't really do muchbesides that at the beginning
and we get some background intowhy this is happening.

(26:23):
So Riley, I guess, got in afight or is like being bullied
by her friends, so she's goingto the concert just with her dad
, um, and she knows that herdad's acting a little weird, but
she doesn't really know muchmore besides, like he's just
being a little awkward.
For me the character is awkwardlike from the jump and I was

(26:43):
like is he supposed to beawkward and therefore he is
acting that way?
or is the actor himself likeawkward and it's like he's not
removing the awkwardness in thecharacter I think the character
is supposed to be awkward, yeahbut as you watch the movie you
realize, oh, the character issupposed to be a little awkward,
like he's supposed to be ableto play it off but not be able

(27:07):
to hide it entirely right, likesomething's not quite right yeah
, um.
So yeah, you, you meet, uh,jody's mom, who like, is this
lady?
That's basically being like, ohhey, cooper, like I'm sorry,
our kids aren't friends anymorethis lady's so annoying she's

(27:27):
super annoying.
She's like very ingenuine withwhat, how she's saying it.
She's like, but I hope they canjust, you know, kind of work it
out.
And he's like, yeah, they likereally hurt my kids, so like no,
and she doesn't really likethat response.
Um, and while he's talking toher, like he leaves his daughter
to watch the concert and andhe's talking to her in the
mezzanine and then he goes to at-shirt stand and the guy that

(27:53):
works there, jamie, tells him,or Cooper actually asks him.
He's like, what's with all thesecurity?
And Jamie actually tells him ohyeah.
So I'm not really supposed tosay this, but this whole concert
, it's like the whole what's theword I'm looking for?

Wilson (28:13):
The whole thing's a trap .

Captain (28:16):
Yeah, dumb, the whole thing's a trap to catch the
butcher, the one that's likekilled 12 people.
Um, you know, the whole thingis to catch him because they
found out that the butcher'ssupposed to be here.
Um, like, he left evidence at acrime scene and you can see
cooper is hiding it, but he'sstressed, he is quite stressed.

(28:41):
Um, he um does notice that.
Uh, what's the?
Oh yeah, he does notice, umthat there is fbi profilers
there and like with the cops,like there's, this is like a

(29:01):
full because he gets a radio,right?

Wilson (29:03):
yeah, this is, this is a full, and he overhears them
yeah.

Captain (29:06):
So he basically, when he talks to Jamie, he steals
Jamie's badge the guy that worksthere so he can go into an
employees only section and hebasically over, he's watching
this police meeting extremelyclose.
I was like for somebody that isthe person that they're looking
for.
He is getting super close tothem and he's so brazen with it

(29:27):
where he like literally bumps tothem and he's like, excuse me,
excuse me, excuse me, I need toget to the coffee.
Like he's literally bumpingshoulders with the cops but,
yeah, he steals one of theirradios and he sees their crime
scene photos, so like he knowshow much they know basically.
But when I heard that he did 12victims, I was like, are you

(29:50):
dexter?
He?

Wilson (29:50):
was the base, the bayside, the bay bay harbor,
harbor bay, harbor, butcher,bayside, like um saved by the
bell the bayside butcher yeah,um, but yeah, so, yeah, he's got
a lot of people and he squeezes.

Captain (30:04):
You know he's got a lot of people and he squeezes, you
know, steals from the cops tofigure out how much they know,
um, and then he, pretty quickly,is trying to find his way out.
So you know he's checkingcertain doors.
He sees like a trap door thatgoes underneath the concert that
like an extra special guestcame out of um.

(30:24):
The conversation he has withthe daughter during that is
super awkward.
He's like talking to her likeshe's five years old.
He's like whoa, look at thattrap door.
It's so cool down there,shouldn't we go down there?
She's like why the fuck are youbeing?
super weird, like he's literallytalking to her like a toddler.
I I hated it.
I was like it just cringed,basically watching it and you

(30:44):
know she's picking up on it.

Wilson (30:46):
Yeah, she tells him multiple times.

Captain (30:47):
You are being weird, like what is going on.
And then he still is liketrying to find ways to get out
of there.
So other things he does is helike pushes a lady down the
stairs so the cops rush towardsher and as he's trying to make
his way around it to get out thedoor, there's already backup

(31:09):
cops that are protecting thedoor that they ran away from.
Um, he like has an argumentwith jody's mom in the hallway
one time while they're talkingand he gets a little nervous
because the police are noticing,noticing the conversation.
But then somebody else getsarrested by the FBI.

(31:29):
They're basically not sure whothey're looking for.
So the 3,000 men that are there, they're basically slowly
questioning all of them Anybodythat seems suspicious, that's
matching the details that theyhave on the case.
He does hear on the radio someof the profiles they're looking
for, like basically anybody thatwas caught on a security

(31:50):
footage during a certain timeframe, and he fits one of those
people with an animal tattoo onhis wrist.
So that's he like there's noway to not have the tattoo.
And then he causes a gasexplosion in the uh concert hall
where he like throws extra oillike glass contained oil in a

(32:15):
fryer and it explodes yes, hesteals an apron and goes to the
security, the employee's door,and then goes up to the roof to
see maybe he can get down fromthe rooftop.
Yeah, there's cops up there tooand they definitely think it's
weird that he's up there like hehas an apron, but he plays it
off really well where he waslike oh my gosh, I just watched
my friend get glass exploded ontheir face like they're going to

(32:36):
be scarred forever.
They might be blind and like Ijust needed a second to breathe.
So he plays it off really wellyeah and said like where's your
card from the presentation thismorning?
And luckily the dude that apronthat he stole had his wallet in
there with the card.
Now I feel like a normal humanwould never throw their wallet
in the apron pocket.

Wilson (32:58):
Absolutely not.

Captain (32:59):
And then like hang the apron up like on a loose hook
that anybody could grab.
But you do, you, boo, so he, hecould get away from it.
Um, and he has the password,the secret word, because jamie,
the first guy that he stole thebadge from, gave it to him.
Um, and then, uh, he hears thata girl can get picked to go on

(33:25):
stage and they get to go.
He hears they get to gobackstage and like meet raven.
So he was like, oh, that's myshot.
If I go backstage then theywon't be able to.
Um, you know they won't be ableto catch me, like I'll just go
out the back door.
So right.
So he basically tells the staffthere that his daughter has

(33:50):
leukemia and is recovering andit's her dream to go on stage.
So she gets picked as the girlthat gets to go on stage and
meet raven.
And obviously, you know, rileyis like blowing her fucking
brains out.

Wilson (34:05):
Um, because she doesn't.
She doesn't know, it's her dadlied about the leukemia oh yeah,
sorry.

Captain (34:11):
Yeah, she doesn't have leukemia and he definitely lied
about it and she just thinks shegot like randomly picked yes,
randomly picked for the signthat a girl always gets picked
to go on stage for.
So so oh, cooper also says, likeyou know she doesn't like
talking about her illness, solike, don't bring it up, so they
get to go backstage.
They get to see, you know, theperformers from the other side.

(34:35):
Briley gets to go on stage anddance.
Her bitch-ass friends thatdon't want to be friends with
her anymore are like mad as hellin the stands that she gets to
go up there.
But they're in, like notnosebleeds, but they're up in
the yeah.

Wilson (34:50):
In that top, like the the.

Captain (34:53):
Balcony level.

Wilson (34:54):
I.
There's a.
I can't think of the word, butso not just me.
Nope.

Captain (35:01):
But Riley and her dad are on the ground floor.
He did make a comment, beinglike he was surprised he lucked
out with these ticketsInteresting.

Wilson (35:09):
Probably murdered someone for him Probably.

Captain (35:13):
But anyway, so she goes back there.
Yeah, they do the whole thing.
He can hear Dr Grant speakingin the radio that, um, you know
there's 3 000 men here and he'sgot to be one of them.
So, um, she also is liketalking to lady raven after she

(35:34):
gives a concert and she's like,did you find him?
So she's in on it, like thisentire thing is to find this
dude.
And, um, she's like, no, but heknows he's running out of moves
, but cooper's listening to thiswhole thing.
So, um, he doesn't have.
He knows that there's not a lotleft.
And this is the point where Iwas like I'm sorry, there's half
a movie left, the concert isover.
I was like this is at the 52minute mark.

(35:56):
I was like what?

Wilson (35:57):
the fuck, like I thought the whole movie was gonna be in
this yeah this place, but it'snot yeah, I was really surprised
.

Captain (36:03):
Yeah, so this is his last move to get out of here.
So he talks to Lady Raven inprivate.
Basically he says, like I wantto thank you for everything
you've done for my daughter.
Also, do you know that carbonmonoxide poisons you really fast
?
And like you wouldn't even knowand she was like what.
And then he basically says,like I'm the one you're looking

(36:25):
for.
And he shows her his phone of alive video stream of a guy that
he is about to kill with carbonmonoxide.
Push of a button from his phoneand he goes if you don't get me
out of here on your limo, I'mgoing to kill this guy and it's
going to be your fault.
And she handles this I mean, Ijust better than I would imagine

(36:51):
.
Somebody would only handle thisyeah like she shuts down.
But she basically is like, yes,I mean I'm gonna give you a ride
in my limousine.
So she gets in the limousineand she lets them go in there
and while they're in the car shebasically one-ups Cooper.
So she says to Riley, afterthey're talking, she's like

(37:11):
Riley, can I come see your house?
And Cooper's like the fuck,like he's eyeing her and kind of
like singling to his phone,like all right, I'm going to
kill this guy if you keep doingthis.
But she just doesn't budge,like she just digs her feet in.
So they go to the house andcooper at that point is like
gives the driver his, hisaddress, like they're going

(37:32):
there.
And when they go there they seethat, um, he has a wife and he
has a son and like he, you know,lives a normal, normal family
life.
Um, she, he also makes threatsabout how she, like you know,
can't tell anybody that you knowthey're doing this, but it's
gonna bring attention thatyou're pulling up a limo to a

(37:52):
residential neighborhood oh yeah, like yes that's not gonna just
look like nothing, um, whenthey're in the house.
Um again, she's trying to likedivulge information about the
butcher to his wife so that hiswife will be aware that who he
is.
But cooper obviously is notenjoying that and trying to get

(38:14):
her to leave and you can tellthe like there's something going
on with the wife yeah,something's weird.
You're not really sure what'shappening, but something's a
little off.
But lady raven basically tellsthem.
She's like yeah, this concertday was different than other
concert days because this wasall a trap for somebody.
Um, riley doesn't really seemto care, she's like loving life.

(38:34):
And before she leaves, uh,before cooper forces lady raven
out of the door, she's like oh,let me play a song for you on
your piano, which you know.
The family is like loving andcooper's like I'm gonna kill you
.
But during that situation shesteals riley's phone and then

(38:54):
she asks for a selfie from riley.
But riley can't find her phoneand cooper's filming this uh
piano moment with his daughter.
So she snatches cooper's phonefrom his hand while he's holding
it at her eye level, takes aselfie and then runs to the
bathroom with it and locks thedoor.
So things really fall off therails at this point because
she's locked in the bathroom andCooper is freaking the fuck out

(39:15):
and like scaring his family.
He's like slamming on the doorto open it to tell you know,
getting her, trying to get herto give his phone back, and you
can hear there's like ruckus andlike family members screaming.

Wilson (39:28):
Oh yeah, the charade is like broken now with the family,
like everything's out in theopen and he's doing something to
them.

Captain (39:36):
Yeah, the fact that he's like level 10 mad and
Riley's like Dad, like what areyou doing?
And the mom's screaming at andfreaking out and she's like
you're terrorizing our kids,yeah.
Then there's like I mean, yeah,the jig is up and he does
something to them basically, butshe has, like I want to say,
almost 10 minutes in thebathroom.
It's kind of crazy.

(39:56):
She goes on live on her ownphone and basically said or no,
she talks to the guy on Cooper'sphone, first through the live
stream, yes, and gets detailsfrom him about how much she
knows about where he is.
And then she goes on herphone's live stream and says
here's some details of wheresomebody is stuck right now, who

(40:17):
you know.
Somebody in philadelphia, likewhere, what are these details?
That are in your neighborhood,like a broken lion statue, a
blue front door to a housethat's abandoned, like, and
eventually she has somebody inthe comments that tells her they
, they know where that is.
And she tells them call thepolice and go there with your
family and save this man beforehe dies.
Um, and she, I think, tell, Ithink she'd like texas, her, one

(40:42):
of her friends, or somethingthat you know also called the
police.

Wilson (40:45):
Yeah, I think she was texting with the driver too,
maybe, oh, the driver.

Captain (40:56):
So she has a long time in that bathroom.
But then Cooper does eventuallyget in there and he basically
is like okay, well, I'mkidnapping you.
And grabs his grab bag, gets inRachel's.
Like okay, well, I'm kidnappingyou.
And grabs his grab bag, gets inRachel's car and then, right as
they're about to drive away andthey open the garage door, his

(41:17):
wife and his two kids stand infront of the car so he can't
drive it out there and it'sbecause he locked them in
Riley's room that has a windowwith a tree that they can shimmy
down.
So he makes a comment about howhe's never thought about his
home home in that way of like akill house, um, like the never.

(41:38):
The two lives should meet.
So right so you know, they blockhim basically and he doesn't
get to drive away.
Um, that way the SWAT teamrolls up and the family is safe,
lady Raven's safe.
Um, but when they try to comeand get Cooper from the inside,
he's already made his escape.
Um, he like dug a secret tunnelunderneath his house to his

(41:59):
neighbor's yard and they saidover the radio that there's a
SWAT member down already wherehe was.
The biggest problem I have withthe or like logistically in the
movie, is that this man canmove at the speed of light, like
he made his way through thattunnel, changed his outfit like

(42:21):
in a split second and nobodynoticed.
I don't know.
The timing was pretty tight itwas like I mean, it was just
unrealistic, um, but the family,oh yeah.
So he's not there, lady ravendrives off, but the scene that
they show of her talking to herdriver, I'm like this is so

(42:43):
cooper, like oh my god, it'slike a dark figure with a hat
that doesn't speak a lot andit's like you know we are very
focused on him, yeah the cameravery focused on that dark,
shadowy figure and, like wealready met the driver for the
vehicle, like it's clearly nottheir outline, I was like this
is so you're like shoving itdown my throat, like I, I know,

(43:03):
like I don't know.
I just feel like it would havebeen a little bit more fun if
they were less obvious with it.

Wilson (43:10):
Yes.

Captain (43:11):
So yes, he's the driver for Lady Raven and he basically
kidnaps her, but again doesn'treally work out well because
he's driving her around in afucking limo.
So as soon as he open, you know, goes around a city block where
there's more people, they'relike oh my gosh, is that lady
raven in there?
because she can roll the windowdown slightly and ask them for

(43:31):
help but like, yeah, the limo isfucking surrounded and he can't
drive it anywhere.
I was like, obviously, um, copspull up to that location as
well.
And again, no way he'd be ableto do this.
But he not only gets out of thecar, changes his outfit again,
but the outfit that he did have,the squat team outfit he props
it up in the car so it lookslike somebody's still sitting

(43:52):
there.
I was like Wilson there is noway you're doing that Like the
cops were, like there was acrowd of like 50 people
surrounding the limo.

Wilson (44:01):
How did?

Captain (44:01):
he open that door and nobody noticed and he's got a
hoodie on and a hat.
I was like where the fuck youget that shit?

Wilson (44:12):
It is interesting how, like the first half this movie,
I felt like I was cheering himon because it's like, well, yeah
, he's the bad guy, but you wantto see him.
You don't want to see him getcaught right yet, yeah.
And then now the second half,I'm like catch him, he is right
there it does definitely unravel.

Captain (44:23):
It unravels, yeah, uh, yeah, um, he acts really shady
in a lot of scenes in theconcert itself, but for some
reason it's not enough for themto do anything.
And maybe it's just becausehe's a white man, I don't know,
but like they just treat him sonicely, even when he goes
backstage with lady raven andthis is before he admitted to

(44:46):
her who he was like you know,they were.
Like you know we really shouldquestion him and check him down
and they're like no, it's fine,it's fine.
And like they basically just Imean, they just let him go.
I was like what is this?
Did y'all not listen to thepresentation that this fbi
profiler gave earlier?
today, like he fits perfectlyyes, she said he'd be really

(45:07):
smart, he would act casual aboutit, like he's doing all those
things.
Yeah, um, but anyway, so heagain.
He gets out again, um, hesneaks back to the house, um,
and the only person there isRachel.
Right, the kids are safe in a,you know, at their aunt's house
or whatever.

(45:27):
And he says let me guess you'rethe one that planted the ticket
, um, from in my crime scene.
So he understands that hiswife's the one that um set him
up.
Um, I think she probably thoughtthat he was initially having a
fair right with the late hoursand the jewelry, but, but she

(45:49):
basically followed him one timeand the affair never really made
sense because he always smelledlike weird hospital cleaning
fluid.
She said so, you know, she justbasically followed him one day
to a safe house, tore part of aticket up and then called the
police from a pay phone saying Ithink the butcher was here.
And then they found the ticket.

(46:12):
So that's how they know that hewas going to be at the concert.
So it kind of like looked likehis mistake.
She does say that right before.
She like understands that he'sgoing to kill her.
He mentioned something about amurder, suicide.
But she says can I just havesome of Riley's pie before we go
?
Um, there's like a little bitof pie left and he was like this

(46:33):
is not going to delay this morethan one minute or so, like I'm
gonna eat this in a minute.
And she's like that's fine, Ijust I want to at least have
some pie.
So they eat the pie.
And he's, you know, says stuffto her about how he's like in,
like he's enraged.
This is like more rage than he's, you know, says stuff to her
about how he's like in, likehe's enraged.

(46:54):
This is like more rage thanhe's ever felt in his whole life
, mostly because he's not goingto watch his kids grow up.
So he's like you have no ideahow much rage I feel towards you
.
And he's saying all of this.
And then he's getting woozy andhe realizes that the pie was
drugged.
Um, he was like is this from mygrab bag?
And she said, yeah, you left soquickly that you left it in the

(47:17):
house and I grabbed it andwhatever was in there, I threw
it on the pie and I was likedamn, that I was not expecting
oh yeah.

Wilson (47:26):
No, that was a good like .
Yeah, I appreciated that yeah,so he chose.

Captain (47:30):
He still tries to come for her, but at this point the
cops are already there again andhe gets tased like four times.
I was like how is this mangetting up and still getting
tased?
I mean, I guess he's on likesedatives, I don't know yeah,
but yeah he gets.
He gets tased.
Now he is like a firefighter,so he is really tall and strong

(47:52):
and that like comes up in themovie a few times.
But he, like legit, gets tasedlike four times and he's just
like gets up and charges at thenext person, um, but he does
finally go down, um, and you'relike, okay, the movie should
definitely be ending here, nope,because he gets handcuffed and

(48:15):
taken out to the car.
Now I don't understand this.
Not only so they talk about how, like you know his profile,
he's OCD, right.
So he goes out to the frontyard and one of the bikes has
fallen over and he's like, doyou guys mind?
And they let him pick the bikeup.
He's like, do you guys mind?
They let him pick the bike up,which I was like what the fuck?
Why are you letting?

Wilson (48:38):
this man touch anything besides getting into your
armored vehicle.

Captain (48:40):
He fixes the bike.
Then also super strange his twokids get pulled up to the house
and they're there to saygoodbye to him.
I was like no, absolutely, theywould never do that, absolutely
not.
So his two kids get to like hughim and say goodbye and they're
like so sad that you know he'sgetting carted off.
I'm like that's I know you'reyoung, but weird reactions

(49:01):
having things.
And then after that he, then hegoes into the car and of course
he's sitting in the back alone.
Don't think that would berealistic.
And then like he's sitting inthe back of the truck all by
himself, and then part of thebike he obviously, you know,
broke off and is using it toundo his handcuffs.

(49:23):
And then he like laughs and hislike beady little eyes stare
into the camera.
I hated that part, and then itends yeah, now that I feel like
unnecessary.
I mean, maybe they were openingit to leave.
Leave a part two, um, for riley, like when she's an adult or
something, but unnecessary I Ijust I feel like that movie had

(49:47):
like a lot of potential.

Wilson (49:48):
I was excited it was an M Night Shyamalan, even though
his movies are going like 50 50lately yeah, like old, old was
bad, it's just like yeah, um, Ididn't even see old, but like it
was a fine movie, but I I thinkit just kind of made me mad and
it wasn't that good.

Captain (50:09):
It was fine.
It was fine.
I really had a problem with theclunky and I get it that he's
supposed to be a little awkward,but some of those dialogue I
was like I am cringing.
This is not good to watch.

Wilson (50:27):
I think some people criticized M Night Shyamalan's
daughter for the acting Heracting.

Captain (50:35):
People were saying it just wasn't good, it's bad.
No, it is bad.
I will testify to that.
She has a scene in there.
Part of his profile is that healways disappointed his mother.
He has a scene in there wherepart of the time is that, um, he
like always disappointed hismother, so, um, he has a scene
in there where he's part of thetime he's kidnapping lady raven.

(50:55):
She tries to do like thepsychological technique where
she pretends to be his mom,where she's like you know, why
are you being this monsterlittle boy and like basically
talking to him, like how theprofiler probably told her to
speak to him if she got, youknow, involved in a situation
like this and her acting duringthat scene is really not good,

(51:17):
like it's, it's, it's bad.
So I understand what people aresaying yeah, and I get why.

Wilson (51:25):
I mean, why not?
You're this famous filmmaker,why not put your child in the
movie?

Captain (51:29):
it just didn't pan out yeah, I mean I won't say her
music was terrible, her musicwas fine.
My, my hot take is that part ofthe movie, the very beginning
of the movie.
It definitely feels like he'sjust promoting his daughter's
music, right, but then I wouldsay like after like 30 minutes
his daughter's music really justbecomes background music.
So it's almost like a dig ather, which I know he probably

(51:55):
didn't mean it that way, butlike it almost feels that way.
Or I was like you're basicallycalling this background music.
I don't know.

Wilson (52:02):
I mean, they can't have it like full blast during every
scene.

Captain (52:06):
I know, I think she wrote like 19 songs for this
movie or something crazy.

Wilson (52:11):
Yeah.

Captain (52:12):
They were like all for this movie and then she like put
them on an album.
I think it was something crazy,like that All right.
Oh yeah, there's a mid-creditsscene.
I forgot about that, but it'snot important.
It's just Jamie freaking outthat the guy he talked to
earlier was the butcher.
Oh yeah, there's a mid-creditsscene.

Wilson (52:30):
I forgot about that, but it's not important, it's just
Jamie freaking out that the guyhe talked to earlier was the
butcher.

Captain (52:33):
Oh yeah yeah.
His acting in that final scenealso not good.
I don't know if you rememberwatching that.

Wilson (52:39):
I don't remember that part.

Captain (52:41):
It's supposed to be funny, but it just comes off as
the timing of the jokes.
The punchline is off.
It's weird.
So this movie did well, theydid promote the show of it.
So the budget was $30 millionand the box office was $84

(53:02):
million, so more than double,almost triple, the budget.
Yes than double, almost triplethe budget.
Yes, um, this other numbs thecritic scores of 57 and the
audience score is a 64, umletterbox fits right in there
out of 2.6 did we?

(53:22):
the scores aren't terrible,they're not no, this was our
better movie of the ones towatch.
You said we gave this the same.
We both gave it a 2.5?
.

Wilson (53:32):
We did.
Yeah, that's the movie.
Percentage-wise.
What would you say?
That is.

Captain (53:41):
I mean I'll do 51.
51, 51.

Wilson (53:53):
Okay, yeah, I feel like I'm right around there.
I would say a 47.
That feels very nitpicky.

Captain (54:04):
You go down, I go up, Yep yep, but that tracks yeah.
I I mean watching the movieitself.
It's not hard to follow.
But I will say, kind ofreviewing the movie, definitely
hard to follow.
Um, like I said, I took so manyfucking notes, like so much
happens in this movie that Idon't know.
There's like a lot of dialogue,there's a lot of like little
details.

(54:24):
It doesn't necessarily matterthat much, but um, yeah, I don't
know, it just ends up beingfine.
I really didn't like that.
He got away at the end I didn'teither that like.

Wilson (54:36):
That's such a I feel like such a cheap gimmick.
And it wasn't like it was aperfectly crafted getaway.

Captain (54:42):
No, it's like you let him fix the bike.
You let him pick up the bike.
Like what the fuck, you'renever gonna let that type of a
serial killer that killed 12people you're gonna let him pick
up the bike.
Like what the fuck, You'renever going to let that type of
a serial killer that killed 12people you're going to let him
pick up a bike that fell over inhis front yard.
Like you're not doing that,You're not allowing that Anyway.
So there's a lot of hot gossip,this movie.

Wilson (55:05):
I don't know if you know that, but I can see some of it,
but but, uh, what is it so?

Captain (55:11):
the film was shot in canada in late 2023.
It did premiere in july 2024.
Um, it did have mixed reviews.
Um, like we talked about.
Um, the films spouted from aconversation that he had with
his daughter about combining aconcert with a theatrical
experience and he said similarto how prince was the wrote the

(55:34):
titular album for purple rain.
I was like, sir, get the fuckout of here, selika and selika
knight shamalan is not princeand this movie is definitely not
purple rain.
Like, get out of here.
Uh, he also made a commentabout how he wanted this setting
to be like.
Um, what is it?

(55:56):
Silence of the lambs happens ata taylor swift concert.
That's something else he saidabout the movie.
I know right okay um.
The premise of this movie waspartially inspired by a real
sting operation that did happenin 1985.
That had law enforcement, um,arrested 101 fugitives at a

(56:18):
convention center after they hadbeen presented with gifting
them free NFL tickets or theopportunity to win Superbowl
tickets.
And this is a real thing thatI've listened to podcasts about
Um.
But yes, they basically had abunch of fugitives on this long
list and they were like well,you know, we don't, they're not
going to come out of their houseif we show up.

(56:38):
But what we can do is we canjust mail them something, say
that they've won tickets to afootball game and, like, over
100 of them showed up, put intheir like real name, said
here's my letter, this is whereI live, like.
And yeah, they all got arrested.
Have you ever heard of that?

(56:59):
It sounds vaguely familiar.

Wilson (57:02):
Uh, like the, the premise of that, yeah yeah, um.

Captain (57:07):
So he said it's partially, partially, um, like
that, or inspired by that.
Um, he wrote the screenplay infive and a half months, which is
a personal record for him forhow long it?

Wilson (57:20):
took or how short it took, how short.

Captain (57:23):
It took how short.
Yeah, how does it make you feel?
That he took that long for thismovie or that short, oh damn
yeah, I was gonna say that hespent the least amount of time
on this screenplay that he'sever spent uh, I mean, I guess
that makes sense.

Wilson (57:42):
I don't like how they came about the idea of the movie
like I thought it would havebeen cool if it seems cheaper by
about the idea of the movielike I thought it would have
been cool if it seems cheaper bysaying the idea came from
adding a plot to an existingidea of just putting a concert
in a movie, like I wish it was.
Oh, you know, it'd be so coolto try to trap a serial killer

(58:04):
in like a public space yeah,that to me is better than just
like, uh, let's just slap a plot.
I mean this movie that we reallywant to make clearly.

Captain (58:14):
I mean I mean conversation with his daughter.
I mean probably was like eitherI really want you to promote my
music or I really want topromote your music because I
love you, like yeah it's one ofthose two things um and then,
you know, found out a way tomake it so both people get to be
in the movie.
Um, she, oh 14.

(58:35):
She composed 14 songs for thefilm, not 19, 14, and she tried
to have them match, um, like theenergy of the thing that was
happening at that time is thatwhat that word means, the I
don't know, I don't know I haveto google it, because what is
this?

Wilson (58:56):
I don't even know how to pronounce that.
Died, die get die die what isthis?

Captain (59:04):
what is this?
Did you google it?

Wilson (59:07):
well, at least means existing or occurring within the
world of a narrative, ratherthan as something external to
that world.

Captain (59:13):
Yeah, it's supposed to match the vibe of that part of
the movie.
I don't know All of her songs.
In my opinion they were fine orwhatever, but they sounded like
and I know I might get someheat for this but literally it's
just like Dua Lip.
But I mean it's like, literallyit's just like dualipa, where
it's like this is a pop song,there's no substance to this.

Wilson (59:36):
I mean, I think dualipa is better, but I do see where
you're coming from, like itwasn't bad yeah, but it's just
like I'm not.

Captain (59:43):
You're not giving me something that I'm like, oh hell
, yeah, I haven't heard before.

Wilson (59:45):
Yeah yeah, I'm like, oh, hell, yeah, haven't heard it
before.

Captain (59:51):
Yeah, yeah and then some of the other things.
Like I said, this was shot inCanada.
The inside was in a 20,000 seatarena that was used for
production because it was goingunder renovations for two to
three months, so that's why theycould actually use it.
And the shoot did involvethousands of extras who were not

(01:00:12):
told what the film was about,but received slika's music
beforehand so they could singalong and like, uh, you know a
lip, what's that mouth?
the lyrics um lip sync yeah mimeor something um, josh hartnett,
who plays cooper in this movie,recalled that multiple extras

(01:00:32):
were consoling him because theythought that he was nervous and
was unaware that of thecharacter that he was playing,
which is so, I think, is I thinkit's fun yeah he does that
nervous I would feel terrible.

Wilson (01:00:43):
I feel like in that situation, because you just have
to lie to them like hee, hee,now I'm fine, I don't know.

Captain (01:00:49):
I mean, you just play along, basically, and then a
little bit of a hot like morepiping is that this was during
the SAG-AFRRA strike.
So M Night Shyamalan was okayedby the SAG-AFRRA to do this
movie because he did the wholething right he produced,

(01:01:10):
directed and, um, he wrote,produced and directed and funded
it.
It looks like that, the yeah,that's what I mean with
production, like producing he'sjust like he funded it, so it
all came out of his own pocket.
he did all of the work for itand, because of SAG, gave him
the okay that he could do it,which is Wow.

(01:01:31):
Yeah, like I guess they wentthrough official channels with
it.
I don't know, but that's whatit sounded like.
I feel like if he didn't ask,it would not go well, even if he
was doing it like this way.

Wilson (01:01:43):
No, I think he'd face like I don't know what the
penalties are, but I know they.
It's something that's not like.

Captain (01:01:50):
Yeah, it's not a deal yeah, um, yeah, that's most of
the hot goss.
I mean, there were some otherthings like uh, m night
shemland's other daughter was ina movie or I think actually it
was her directorial debut for amovie around the same time, and
in this movie is a movie, is hermovie poster, um, and like vice

(01:02:11):
versa.
I think I don't know if youheard about.

Wilson (01:02:16):
That's a lot of I didn't know.

Captain (01:02:19):
I didn't know about that yeah, I can't remember what
the movie is called.
I definitely didn't watch it.
But the watchers I'm looking atoh, it seems like yeah, from
last year.
Yeah, yeah, I didn't watch this.
Yeah, I think they bothpromoted each other's movies in
here in the movies.
But you know.

Wilson (01:02:38):
I wonder how that did, because she would have been 24?
23 when she directed this 23?
.
Yeah, she was born in 2000.

Captain (01:02:49):
Nepo baby yeah yeah, oh , it did not do, well, did not
do 23, your frontal cortex isn'teven developed until you're 25
or fully developed, like andthey got dakota fanning in this
movie nepo baby.
Like crazy that that's Nepobaby.
At least Salika Night Shyamalanis like I think she's 28.

(01:03:14):
She looks younger than 28.

Wilson (01:03:23):
But yeah, at least she's like I don't know a little bit
more appropriate.
Oh wait, I don't know if yousaw this.
She show you like on apple tvservant.
She was a writer for 10episodes and directed 10
episodes or six episodes.

Captain (01:03:36):
Uh, the sister the other shauna, oh, the other
sister.
Oh yeah, I did not really lookinto her.
I was like that's not the moviewe're watching.
We already get so easilysidetracked fair um, interesting
though there's some episodes ofthat show that are weird.
I wonder if she did some Ididn't want or I didn't like?

(01:03:56):
Um okay, so, like I said,there's a lot that goes on in
this movie.
Do you have a rag?
Would you raise your glass um?

Wilson (01:04:06):
I thought the fryer and the exploding glass was like oh
wait, you know what?
No, pushing the person down thestairs.
I think that was my razor glass.

Captain (01:04:18):
Yeah, I was tempted to use that one only because it's
the first time you see Cooperact fully how you think he is.
It's the first time you see himlike take action, that you're
like, oh shit, um, let's see ifthat's yours, dang um, probably.

(01:04:44):
Probably lady raven snatchinghis phone just because and
running to the bathroom, likethat scene.
You're like, oh, he's fucked,dude.
Um, and you really do hear himthrough the door like, flip out
entirely.
Um, so probably that scene.
I guess you know the movie'sgonna keep unraveling, but it's

(01:05:07):
like it just keeps going.
She kidnaps her a second time.
I don't know.
I know that you have to pick anending.
I hate what they chose.
I don't know.
I would rather see him fuck offsomewhere and be a lumberjack
like Dexter at that point,rather that than him escape an

(01:05:32):
armored vehicle.

Wilson (01:05:32):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's my poor one out.

Captain (01:05:34):
I just did not like yeah I did not like the ending
yeah, yeah, that's usually wherem night shemlin has issues.
Um, yeah, then we talked aboutour numbers.
Oh my gosh, I don't know.
Is there anything else youwanted to add?

Wilson (01:05:58):
um, I don't think so.

Captain (01:06:00):
I just I guess I was just disappointed by this movie
yeah, when I was first promotedI was really excited for it, and
now I'm watching it.
I'm like, oh, I can see why itdidn't have great reviews, and I
also am a bit disappointed.
Um, do you?
I was wondering.
Oh man, I don't have the list.
Do you have the least?

Wilson (01:06:21):
of what, what we're doing next?
Oh, I can pull that up.
I can pull it up too.

Captain (01:06:27):
I'm here, okay, okay so next week.
Oh, I haven't moved the colors.
Next week we're doing oh yeah,I did.
Did you just do that or I didthat?

Wilson (01:06:42):
I didn't do anything.

Captain (01:06:43):
Oh, okay, we're doing the hole.
I have no idea what that is.

Wilson (01:06:47):
The hole it's 24 years old.

Captain (01:06:52):
So we'll see how that is.
I've done the movie after that.
I've seen that movie before.

Wilson (01:06:58):
Yeah, I saw that, I think last year.

Captain (01:07:00):
Oh, is that okay?
The?

Wilson (01:07:01):
Autopsy of Jane Doe.
I mean, it's fine, I don't mindtalking about it.

Captain (01:07:06):
Are you going to watch it again?
Or are you gonna watch it again?
Are you gonna fuck?

Wilson (01:07:17):
off and not watch it.
Oh well, I can push it.
I'll push it.
Well, next week we're doing thewhole, and from 2001 yeah,
that's all that counts.
The whole is all that countsit's just so, uh, your latest
entry for next year oh, what didI?

Captain (01:07:32):
what is it troll?
Month oh god, um okay that'llbe fun.
That'll be a fun one gosh um,yeah, wasn't that you wanted
that?
The troll movies uh, I think.
So I didn't consider it a trollmonth, but that's a good theme

(01:07:54):
um, okay, the whole is apsychological thriller from oh,
based on a book.
Okay, um, and if you want toknow more about it, you're gonna
have to.
Oh, my god, sorry what the filmhas thora birch in it.
Again, that is not on purpose,but they were just in uh

(01:08:18):
deadline.
Weird that is not on purpose um,but once you're a scream queen,
uh, always a scream.
No, I wouldn't really call hera scream queen.

Wilson (01:08:30):
Okay, um, do you have advice for me?

Captain (01:08:32):
yes, I actually do have advice.
I wrote this down during themovie um.
Based on all the things thathappened in this movie, the girl
that got screwed over the mostwas definitely the worker that
got glass exploded in her faceum however, she did not treat
that situation superappropriately, um, because she
basically saw what was happeningin the fryer and just stared

(01:08:54):
there.
So my advice is if you areworking with a fryer and there's
anything in the fryer that'snot fries, um duck and get the
fuck out of the way and don'tjust stand there and stare at it
.

Wilson (01:09:07):
That's my advice because you might get very specific,
but good.