July 1, 2024 • 15 mins
Research has shown that hope can significantly improve mental health outcomes. It boosts resilience, helps you to cope better with stress and setbacks and means that you're more likely to engage in positive behaviours that support your well-being.
But hope isn't something that just happens; it's something you might need to cultivate and it could even save your life.
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Richard (00:02):
And hello to you! And welcome to the Richard Nicholls
Podcast, the personaldevelopment podcast series
that's here to help inspire,educate and motivate you to be
The best you can be! I'mPsychotherapist Richard
Nicholls, and this episode istitled Hope.
(00:23):
And if you're ready, we'll startthe show! Alright, folks! How
have you been?
I've been proper busy.
Me and Fiona Biddle, we'regetting our head around the next
season of Therapy Natters, whichis nice.
We'll start making thoseepisodes soon, I reckon.
(00:44):
Do get in touch if you've gotany questions or topics that
you'd like us to talk about, bythe way.
You can even send us ananonymous text message.
There's a link in the show notesof every episode, both on
Therapy Natters and on mypodcast on this one as well.
Or you can fill in thesubmission form on the website,
TherapyNatters.
(01:04):
com.
Link is in the show notes ofevery episode if you use the
podcast app.
I've been quite busy and if youwatch me on YouTube you'll see
I'm in a different room nowbecause I've moved house.
So the last month has been allover the place and usually I
know a month in advance whateach public episode is going to
(01:24):
be about.
But literally until last week, Iwasn't quite sure what I was
going to record today.
But I was prompted to talk abouthope when I got a message from a
listener on Twitter.
Still calling it Twitter.
Sorry, Elon.
That's not changing anytime soonbecause I'm a grumpy old man.
Last week, my Monday morningmotivational quote thing was,
(01:46):
There's no point in being apessimist.
It wouldn't work anyway.
Bit of a joke for you there.
Not a particularly funny joke,but a joke nonetheless.
And someone on Instagram sent mea message that said, There's no
point being a pessimist?
You should tell that to GarethSouthgate.
Which was funnier than myoriginal joke, so thanks for
that.
But the Twitter one saidsomething along the lines of,
(02:08):
Not so easy to be an optimist atthe minute though, is it?
Not when everybody hates eachother and the world is on fire.
Which kind of brought me down abit, because it's not a nice
thought.
I mean, it's true, but I trustthe human race to pull together
and fix any problems.
And I don't know if that'soptimism or hope.
(02:31):
To me, optimism is a belief, buthope is a feeling.
I guess you can feel optimistictoo, just as you can think
hopefully.
And that's just language, Isuppose, but whatever you call
it, it's important.
Hope is often described as thelight at the end of the tunnel.
That feeling that no matter howdark things may seem, there's a
(02:55):
brighter future ahead.
And it sounds nice to have, butwhen it comes to mental health
Hope isn't just a nice to havething, it's an absolutely
critical component of wellbeing.
If you're struggling with mentalhealth challenges, it can feel
like you're stuck in a neverending cycle of darkness.
Depression, anxiety, rejectionsensitivity, personality
(03:18):
disorders, and all the mentalhealth issues that strip away
our ability to see beyond thepresent moment.
And that's where hope comes in.
Hope is the fuel that keeps youmoving forwards, even when the
path isn't clear.
It's the feeling and the beliefthat things can and will get
(03:38):
better.
And it gives you the strength totake the necessary steps toward
recovery from whatever's goingon for you.
Research has shown that hope cansignificantly improve mental
health outcomes.
It boosts resilience, helps youto cope better with stress and
setbacks, and importantly, withhope, you're more likely to
(04:00):
engage in positive behavioursthat support your well being,
like finding a therapist,connecting to other people,
practising self care.
But hope isn't something thatjust happens.
It's something you might need tocultivate and it could save your
life.
How many times do you hear ofpeople talking about an old
(04:22):
couple who both died at aroundthe same time as each other?
And I know that old people aremore likely to die within a year
of each other than youngercouples, of course, because old
people are more likely to diethan young people.
That's one of those correlationdoes not imply causation
moments, isn't it?
But sometimes it's really close.
(04:43):
Significantly close.
Like the next day close thatsomebody dies.
Sometimes when people feel likelife is not worth living
anymore, their body does give upon them.
Even though that hopelessfeeling is created by their
mind.
But actually it works the otherway around too.
(05:04):
As you probably know, I'm a bigfan of hypnotic language.
Using words to help inspire,motivate, etc.
And one of the very early peopleto formally do this was called
Mesmer.
Franz Anton Mesmer, which iswhere we get the word to be
mesmerised from.
Now, he didn't know that it washis charisma or the expectation
(05:29):
of the people taking part thatwas having these positive
effects.
He called it animal magnetismand he thought it was all about
magnetising the bodily fluids toheal people.
But it wasn't.
It was just because he was quiteflamboyant.
He would create dramaticscenarios and eerie music and
create a kind of tension, anexpectation that something's
(05:51):
gonna happen.
And it was that that was gettingpeople better.
Because they did! Warts woulddrop off, pain would be
relieved, hysterical peoplewould calm down.
His procedures helped.
But not because of magneticfluid, it was expectation.
(06:11):
After Mesmer was criticised bythe medical community, he
insisted on a controlled trialto be set up to prove that
animal magnetism was real, whichwas obviously his downfall
because whether they used realmagnets or not, People still had
the same level of success.
Benjamin Franklin, whocontributed to the design of the
(06:34):
study, I think, certainly waspart of the commission to
investigate it.
And he wrote the final reportand he said, Hope is an
essential constituent of humanlife.
He said that it was hope thatwas helping people and nothing
else.
So Mesmer's work was completelydiscredited, as was Mesmer
himself.
And it was decades beforeanybody looked at that sort of
(06:57):
work in any serious way again.
And nowadays we do know thatpeople can die of a broken
heart.
Broken heart syndrome is a realthing.
Cardiologists have beeninvestigating it for years and
show the same thing that otherstudies into the link with
despondency and death do.
(07:18):
Because, a bit grim, but thereare far too many cases of
parents whose children die whothen end up dying of heart
attack themselves within a yearor so.
And this is something we'd liketo prevent, obviously.
Because the same thing happenswhen you look at the statistics
of people diagnosed with cancer.
(07:40):
They significantly increasetheir chances of having a heart
attack or a stroke.
Plus there was a link with theseverity of the cancer.
The more serious the diagnosis,the more likely it was that
they'd have a heart attack.
And again, this is our minddoing this to our heart.
But is the opposite the case?
(08:01):
If it works one way, does itwork the other?
Does being hopeful, rather thanhopeless, help us to get through
the dark times?
Turns out yes.
There was a study that went onthrough the early days of the
Covid pandemic with medicalstaff that showed that being
able to remain hopeful had areal benefit on their stress
(08:21):
levels, on their anxiety,depression and quality of sleep.
And when I read that I wasreminded of some rather sad
experiments with rats.
It's always rats.
This was quite a famous study inthe 50s by a biologist called
Curt Richter.
He wrote a paper called, On thePhenomenon of Sudden Death in
Animals and Man.
(08:42):
And this was, this was quitenasty actually.
What he did was he gotdomesticated rats and wild rats
and he put them into jars thatwere half filled with water.
To time how long it took thembefore they gave up treading
water and just embraced thedrowning that they knew was
coming, gave up and died.
(09:03):
And he started with domesticatedrats.
He had 12.
And three of them, after a fewminutes of treading water,
swimming at the top, they woulddive down to the bottom and
they'd press their nose againstthe glass for a little bit
before they just closed theireyes and accepted their fate.
But nine of them, they literallyjust carried on swimming for
days.
(09:24):
Days! 50 hours, on average,treading water.
Then came the wild rats, famousfor their swimming abilities.
They'd been recently caught.
There were 34 of them, and theywere fierce and aggressive rats.
Well, let's see how long theserats would hold on for.
They didn't.
One by one, he dropped thesewild rats into the water.
(09:47):
Within two minutes, every singleone just sank and drowned.
Why?
When we know that actually theyhave the ability to stay above
water for days.
Hope.
Richter proposed that the reasona huge majority of the
domesticated rats would keep onswimming was because they
(10:08):
expected rescue.
They had a sense, a feeling thattheir torment was going to end
and that they'd get through italive.
So they kept on swimming.
They had, hope.
Well, to see if this was thecase, he needed to do the
experiment again.
But this time create somehopefulness.
Make some positive expectation.
(10:30):
So he got a load more wild ratsagain.
Dropped them into the water inexactly the same way.
Knowing that after two minutesthey'd very likely give up and
drown.
So after about 90 seconds or so,he'd rescue them and he'd hold
them for a little while beforeputting them back into the water
and starting the timer again.
And doing this meant the ratskept on swimming.
(10:53):
All of them held out far, far,far longer.
Literally days longer than therats that didn't know that a
reprieve existed.
When the rats learned that theymight not be doomed, that the
situation might not be lost,that there might be a helping
hand at the ready, when they hada reason to keep swimming, they
(11:15):
did.
They did not give up.
After elimination ofhopefulness, Richter wrote, the
rats do not die.
Now, I know we're not rats, butwe share a lot in common.
And one thing in particular isthat sometimes we need to keep
on swimming.
They did these tests quite a fewtimes, measuring their heart
(11:37):
rate, even removing theiradrenal glands to see if it was
adrenaline that was killing themoff.
And it wasn't.
Even when their heart rate wasslow, and they weren't producing
adrenaline, they still felthopeless.
So it wasn't anxiety, stress,fight or flight that was killing
them, which is good news,otherwise excitement would kill
(11:58):
us all off as well.
It was the sense of hopelessnessthat did that.
Even though they could havecarried on.
Richter was interested in thisbecause he'd come across stories
of what's called voodoo death.
A mysterious, sudden, apparentlypsychogenic death from all parts
of the world.
Where people would justliterally die.
(12:22):
Like the case of the young manwho unknowingly ate the
forbidden chicken.
The forbidden wild chicken.
He ate it without realising.
And on discovery of his crime.
He trembles, he's overcome byfear, and he dies within 24
hours.
Nothing to do with the chickenat all, it was him.
He killed himself withoutrealising it.
(12:44):
And there have been so manyother cases of people being
cursed and so on.
And their belief kills them.
In his summary of the study,Richter said a phenomenon of
sudden death has been describedthat occurs in man, rats and
many other animals, apparentlyas a result of hopelessness.
(13:04):
And he was right.
Because since then we've seen itin sheep, in shrews, in pigeons,
in rabbits, and even in people.
Sudden death can occur when welose hope.
When we believe the feelingsinside of us that tells us that
there's no point in trying tokeep your head above water, when
we believe it, when we acceptthose feelings as true, it pulls
(13:28):
us under.
So don't believe them.
Accept that those feelingsexist, but don't trust them.
Keep your hope.
We die inside when we lose it.
Like the old phrase of HenryFord, Whether you believe you
can or you believe you can't,you're right.
Because if you don't believe youare capable, then you aren't
(13:49):
capable.
If you do believe you'recapable, then anything is
possible.
When those hopeless feelingsbecome a hopeless narrative, and
negative voices, if you believethem, if you believe the
negative voices that are bothwithin and maybe around you,
that are telling you thatthere's no point in trying, that
(14:09):
you can't succeed, then youcan't.
But if you ignore those voices,If you grow the hope that is
inside you, and believe you can,then it's only a matter of time
until you do.
Because you have control.
There is no voodoo curse thatdestroys you.
(14:30):
Just as inspirational peoplearen't the ones that pull us up.
All of it is down to us.
We do that to ourselves.
We drag ourselves down and wepull ourselves up.
If the absence of hope can causepeople's hearts to simply stop,
but the presence of hope cancause exhausted rats to swim for
(14:51):
two days rather than twominutes, how different can our
lives be when we start believingin ourselves?
When we can put aside thosenegative voices in our head, and
helpless feelings in our system.
When we can increase our faithin ourselves.
We can achieve whatever it is wewish to achieve.
(15:12):
If ever you're so low you thinkyou're drowning, always remember
that it's temporary.
That this too shall pass.
Never forget what you're capableof.
Never forget why you're here.
Never forget the power of yourbeliefs and never, ever lose
hope.
(15:33):
Now I'd best be off.
As always, I'll be back nextmonth and there's my little
bonus episodes on Fridays tokeep you topped up.
Of course, if you'd like a bitextra, hop onto my Patreon page
where there's even more and I'llspeak to you again very soon,
folks.
Have a lovely month.
Take care.
And hello to you! And welcome to the Richard Nicholls
Podcast, the personaldevelopment podcast series
that's here to help inspire,educate and motivate you to be
The best you can be! I'mPsychotherapist Richard
Nicholls, and this episode istitled Hope.
(00:23):
And if you're ready, we'll startthe show! Alright, folks! How
have you been?
I've been proper busy.
Me and Fiona Biddle, we'regetting our head around the next
season of Therapy Natters, whichis nice.
We'll start making thoseepisodes soon, I reckon.
(00:44):
Do get in touch if you've gotany questions or topics that
you'd like us to talk about, bythe way.
You can even send us ananonymous text message.
There's a link in the show notesof every episode, both on
Therapy Natters and on mypodcast on this one as well.
Or you can fill in thesubmission form on the website,
TherapyNatters.
(01:04):
com.
Link is in the show notes ofevery episode if you use the
podcast app.
I've been quite busy and if youwatch me on YouTube you'll see
I'm in a different room nowbecause I've moved house.
So the last month has been allover the place and usually I
know a month in advance whateach public episode is going to
(01:24):
be about.
But literally until last week, Iwasn't quite sure what I was
going to record today.
But I was prompted to talk abouthope when I got a message from a
listener on Twitter.
Still calling it Twitter.
Sorry, Elon.
That's not changing anytime soonbecause I'm a grumpy old man.
Last week, my Monday morningmotivational quote thing was,
(01:46):
There's no point in being apessimist.
It wouldn't work anyway.
Bit of a joke for you there.
Not a particularly funny joke,but a joke nonetheless.
And someone on Instagram sent mea message that said, There's no
point being a pessimist?
You should tell that to GarethSouthgate.
Which was funnier than myoriginal joke, so thanks for
that.
But the Twitter one saidsomething along the lines of,
(02:08):
Not so easy to be an optimist atthe minute though, is it?
Not when everybody hates eachother and the world is on fire.
Which kind of brought me down abit, because it's not a nice
thought.
I mean, it's true, but I trustthe human race to pull together
and fix any problems.
And I don't know if that'soptimism or hope.
(02:31):
To me, optimism is a belief, buthope is a feeling.
I guess you can feel optimistictoo, just as you can think
hopefully.
And that's just language, Isuppose, but whatever you call
it, it's important.
Hope is often described as thelight at the end of the tunnel.
That feeling that no matter howdark things may seem, there's a
(02:55):
brighter future ahead.
And it sounds nice to have, butwhen it comes to mental health
Hope isn't just a nice to havething, it's an absolutely
critical component of wellbeing.
If you're struggling with mentalhealth challenges, it can feel
like you're stuck in a neverending cycle of darkness.
Depression, anxiety, rejectionsensitivity, personality
(03:18):
disorders, and all the mentalhealth issues that strip away
our ability to see beyond thepresent moment.
And that's where hope comes in.
Hope is the fuel that keeps youmoving forwards, even when the
path isn't clear.
It's the feeling and the beliefthat things can and will get
(03:38):
better.
And it gives you the strength totake the necessary steps toward
recovery from whatever's goingon for you.
Research has shown that hope cansignificantly improve mental
health outcomes.
It boosts resilience, helps youto cope better with stress and
setbacks, and importantly, withhope, you're more likely to
(04:00):
engage in positive behavioursthat support your well being,
like finding a therapist,connecting to other people,
practising self care.
But hope isn't something thatjust happens.
It's something you might need tocultivate and it could save your
life.
How many times do you hear ofpeople talking about an old
(04:22):
couple who both died at aroundthe same time as each other?
And I know that old people aremore likely to die within a year
of each other than youngercouples, of course, because old
people are more likely to diethan young people.
That's one of those correlationdoes not imply causation
moments, isn't it?
But sometimes it's really close.
(04:43):
Significantly close.
Like the next day close thatsomebody dies.
Sometimes when people feel likelife is not worth living
anymore, their body does give upon them.
Even though that hopelessfeeling is created by their
mind.
But actually it works the otherway around too.
(05:04):
As you probably know, I'm a bigfan of hypnotic language.
Using words to help inspire,motivate, etc.
And one of the very early peopleto formally do this was called
Mesmer.
Franz Anton Mesmer, which iswhere we get the word to be
mesmerised from.
Now, he didn't know that it washis charisma or the expectation
(05:29):
of the people taking part thatwas having these positive
effects.
He called it animal magnetismand he thought it was all about
magnetising the bodily fluids toheal people.
But it wasn't.
It was just because he was quiteflamboyant.
He would create dramaticscenarios and eerie music and
create a kind of tension, anexpectation that something's
(05:51):
gonna happen.
And it was that that was gettingpeople better.
Because they did! Warts woulddrop off, pain would be
relieved, hysterical peoplewould calm down.
His procedures helped.
But not because of magneticfluid, it was expectation.
(06:11):
After Mesmer was criticised bythe medical community, he
insisted on a controlled trialto be set up to prove that
animal magnetism was real, whichwas obviously his downfall
because whether they used realmagnets or not, People still had
the same level of success.
Benjamin Franklin, whocontributed to the design of the
(06:34):
study, I think, certainly waspart of the commission to
investigate it.
And he wrote the final reportand he said, Hope is an
essential constituent of humanlife.
He said that it was hope thatwas helping people and nothing
else.
So Mesmer's work was completelydiscredited, as was Mesmer
himself.
And it was decades beforeanybody looked at that sort of
(06:57):
work in any serious way again.
And nowadays we do know thatpeople can die of a broken
heart.
Broken heart syndrome is a realthing.
Cardiologists have beeninvestigating it for years and
show the same thing that otherstudies into the link with
despondency and death do.
(07:18):
Because, a bit grim, but thereare far too many cases of
parents whose children die whothen end up dying of heart
attack themselves within a yearor so.
And this is something we'd liketo prevent, obviously.
Because the same thing happenswhen you look at the statistics
of people diagnosed with cancer.
(07:40):
They significantly increasetheir chances of having a heart
attack or a stroke.
Plus there was a link with theseverity of the cancer.
The more serious the diagnosis,the more likely it was that
they'd have a heart attack.
And again, this is our minddoing this to our heart.
But is the opposite the case?
(08:01):
If it works one way, does itwork the other?
Does being hopeful, rather thanhopeless, help us to get through
the dark times?
Turns out yes.
There was a study that went onthrough the early days of the
Covid pandemic with medicalstaff that showed that being
able to remain hopeful had areal benefit on their stress
(08:21):
levels, on their anxiety,depression and quality of sleep.
And when I read that I wasreminded of some rather sad
experiments with rats.
It's always rats.
This was quite a famous study inthe 50s by a biologist called
Curt Richter.
He wrote a paper called, On thePhenomenon of Sudden Death in
Animals and Man.
(08:42):
And this was, this was quitenasty actually.
What he did was he gotdomesticated rats and wild rats
and he put them into jars thatwere half filled with water.
To time how long it took thembefore they gave up treading
water and just embraced thedrowning that they knew was
coming, gave up and died.
(09:03):
And he started with domesticatedrats.
He had 12.
And three of them, after a fewminutes of treading water,
swimming at the top, they woulddive down to the bottom and
they'd press their nose againstthe glass for a little bit
before they just closed theireyes and accepted their fate.
But nine of them, they literallyjust carried on swimming for
days.
(09:24):
Days! 50 hours, on average,treading water.
Then came the wild rats, famousfor their swimming abilities.
They'd been recently caught.
There were 34 of them, and theywere fierce and aggressive rats.
Well, let's see how long theserats would hold on for.
They didn't.
One by one, he dropped thesewild rats into the water.
(09:47):
Within two minutes, every singleone just sank and drowned.
Why?
When we know that actually theyhave the ability to stay above
water for days.
Hope.
Richter proposed that the reasona huge majority of the
domesticated rats would keep onswimming was because they
(10:08):
expected rescue.
They had a sense, a feeling thattheir torment was going to end
and that they'd get through italive.
So they kept on swimming.
They had, hope.
Well, to see if this was thecase, he needed to do the
experiment again.
But this time create somehopefulness.
Make some positive expectation.
(10:30):
So he got a load more wild ratsagain.
Dropped them into the water inexactly the same way.
Knowing that after two minutesthey'd very likely give up and
drown.
So after about 90 seconds or so,he'd rescue them and he'd hold
them for a little while beforeputting them back into the water
and starting the timer again.
And doing this meant the ratskept on swimming.
(10:53):
All of them held out far, far,far longer.
Literally days longer than therats that didn't know that a
reprieve existed.
When the rats learned that theymight not be doomed, that the
situation might not be lost,that there might be a helping
hand at the ready, when they hada reason to keep swimming, they
(11:15):
did.
They did not give up.
After elimination ofhopefulness, Richter wrote, the
rats do not die.
Now, I know we're not rats, butwe share a lot in common.
And one thing in particular isthat sometimes we need to keep
on swimming.
They did these tests quite a fewtimes, measuring their heart
(11:37):
rate, even removing theiradrenal glands to see if it was
adrenaline that was killing themoff.
And it wasn't.
Even when their heart rate wasslow, and they weren't producing
adrenaline, they still felthopeless.
So it wasn't anxiety, stress,fight or flight that was killing
them, which is good news,otherwise excitement would kill
(11:58):
us all off as well.
It was the sense of hopelessnessthat did that.
Even though they could havecarried on.
Richter was interested in thisbecause he'd come across stories
of what's called voodoo death.
A mysterious, sudden, apparentlypsychogenic death from all parts
of the world.
Where people would justliterally die.
(12:22):
Like the case of the young manwho unknowingly ate the
forbidden chicken.
The forbidden wild chicken.
He ate it without realising.
And on discovery of his crime.
He trembles, he's overcome byfear, and he dies within 24
hours.
Nothing to do with the chickenat all, it was him.
He killed himself withoutrealising it.
(12:44):
And there have been so manyother cases of people being
cursed and so on.
And their belief kills them.
In his summary of the study,Richter said a phenomenon of
sudden death has been describedthat occurs in man, rats and
many other animals, apparentlyas a result of hopelessness.
(13:04):
And he was right.
Because since then we've seen itin sheep, in shrews, in pigeons,
in rabbits, and even in people.
Sudden death can occur when welose hope.
When we believe the feelingsinside of us that tells us that
there's no point in trying tokeep your head above water, when
we believe it, when we acceptthose feelings as true, it pulls
(13:28):
us under.
So don't believe them.
Accept that those feelingsexist, but don't trust them.
Keep your hope.
We die inside when we lose it.
Like the old phrase of HenryFord, Whether you believe you
can or you believe you can't,you're right.
Because if you don't believe youare capable, then you aren't
(13:49):
capable.
If you do believe you'recapable, then anything is
possible.
When those hopeless feelingsbecome a hopeless narrative, and
negative voices, if you believethem, if you believe the
negative voices that are bothwithin and maybe around you,
that are telling you thatthere's no point in trying, that
(14:09):
you can't succeed, then youcan't.
But if you ignore those voices,If you grow the hope that is
inside you, and believe you can,then it's only a matter of time
until you do.
Because you have control.
There is no voodoo curse thatdestroys you.
(14:30):
Just as inspirational peoplearen't the ones that pull us up.
All of it is down to us.
We do that to ourselves.
We drag ourselves down and wepull ourselves up.
If the absence of hope can causepeople's hearts to simply stop,
but the presence of hope cancause exhausted rats to swim for
(14:51):
two days rather than twominutes, how different can our
lives be when we start believingin ourselves?
When we can put aside thosenegative voices in our head, and
helpless feelings in our system.
When we can increase our faithin ourselves.
We can achieve whatever it is wewish to achieve.
(15:12):
If ever you're so low you thinkyou're drowning, always remember
that it's temporary.
That this too shall pass.
Never forget what you're capableof.
Never forget why you're here.
Never forget the power of yourbeliefs and never, ever lose
hope.
(15:33):
Now I'd best be off.
As always, I'll be back nextmonth and there's my little
bonus episodes on Fridays tokeep you topped up.
Of course, if you'd like a bitextra, hop onto my Patreon page
where there's even more and I'llspeak to you again very soon,
folks.
Have a lovely month.
Take care.
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