November 1, 2025 • 17 mins
Phenomenology is a posh word that psychologists use to mean the idea of someone's subjective and individual experience.
We could all have exactly the same experience but feel completely different about it and it's important we understand why.
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Phenomenology (00:02):
And hello to you, and welcome to the Richard
Nicholls podcast, the personaldevelopment podcast series
that's here to help inspire,educate, and motivate you to be
the best you can be.
I'm psychotherapist RichardNicholls, and today you'll learn
all about phenomenology.
(00:24):
And if you are ready.
We'll start the show.
How do folks, have you had agood month?
If you have, I wonder how youknew.
What was it that you experiencedthat made it good?
'cause it's quite possible thatyou had exactly the same week as
someone else, and they mighthave felt that they'd had a bad
(00:46):
week.
It's all a matter ofperspective, isn't it?
But the thing is.
If it felt like a bad week, thenit was a bad week, even if in
hindsight there was nothing badabout it if you were to compare
it to someone else's.
You see, it's really common forsomeone to either say to me in
their therapy session or towrite to me in an email
(01:09):
something like, I shouldn't feelthis bad.
Other people have a worse lifethan me.
And you know what?
They're probably right, aren'tthey?
Let's be fair.
It's true to say that all of usright now are in a better
position than someone somewhereelse on this planet.
But to be honest, that'sirrelevant, actually.
(01:32):
Knowing that somebody somewhereis having a worse time than you
doesn't mean that you are wrongto be hurting.
It shouldn't mean that you can'tfeel pain or grief or rejection.
One person's experience is gonnabe completely different to
someone else's, and it's worthbeing aware of that for many
(01:53):
reasons.
Some of your listening mightremember the ITN News presenter,
Alistair Stewart.
He had to resign from presentingthe news on ITV, a couple of
years ago now.
Because in a Twitter spat with apolitician, he quoted
Shakespeare.
Which is not normally worthresigning over unless, of
(02:14):
course, in doing so, youaccidentally call a black man an
angry ape.
Which did not land well.
And at the time the papers wereall over it saying it's
political correctness gone mad.
As they do.
And in some ways it kind of wasan overreaction.
He wasn't being cruel himself.
(02:35):
In fact, what he was doing wastreating someone in the exact
same way that he'd treat anyone.
And that's the exact opposite ofprejudice, isn't it?
Isn't it?
Well, maybe not.
Giving two people the exact samesituation doesn't necessarily
mean that they're going to havethe same experience.
(02:56):
Similarly, my son, my wife andI, we were around a mate's house
once and we'd mention that wewere gonna go out for an Indian
meal that night.
And so she puts on this Indianaccent and says, oh, you're
going for a curry are you Mr.
Richard, oh Yum, yum, yum, yum,yum.
And my son sort of, squints oneeye and cocks his head as if to
(03:18):
say, Ugh, really?
And she went, oh, I supposethat's racist, isn't it?
And we changed the subject.
Well, I didn't wanna embarrassher, but she obviously felt
guilty and it was on her mind.
'cause later on she put on anAustralian accent and then said,
well, how come impersonating anAustralian isn't thought of as
(03:39):
racism, but putting on an Indianaccent is.
We had a nice little debateabout it.
Hopefully opened her eyes a bitand made her think differently.
'cause like I say, everyone hastheir own reactions to their
experiences.
Everyone's experiences aretotally unique.
(03:59):
So saying G'day cobber to anAustralian colleague on a Monday
morning is gonna make them feelcompletely different to walking
up to an Indian work mate andgreeting them by impersonating
Apu from the Simpsons.
Now, in theory, there's nodifference is there?
But of course there is.
(04:21):
How often is someone beaten todeath just for being Australian?
How many Australians have beenchatting with some friends in a
pub and had someone walk up tothem and tell them that they
should piss off back to wherethey came from?
How many signs have ever beenput up that say.
No Australians?
(04:41):
Have you ever seen some graffition somebody's door that says,
Aussies go home?
So someone moving to the UK fromAustralia isn't gonna feel the
need to find or create anAustralian area of the town so
that they can feel safe in it,so that they can create a sense
of belongingness, are they?
(05:03):
I remember reading an interviewwith Naomi Campbell once.
She mentioned that when herparents came to the UK from
Jamaica, there were still thosefamous signs on the hotel and
restaurant doors that said, NoIrish, no blacks, no dogs.
Just think about that for amoment that before the Race
Relations Act of 1968, which wasjust a few years before I was
(05:27):
born really.
Someone could refuse to sellsomeone a house.
They could refuse to offer thema job interview, refuse to serve
them in a pub for no otherreason than they weren't white
Brits.
And I'm not sure how far we'vereally moved on, really.
So taking the mick out of anIrishman or a Jamaican or an
(05:51):
Asian is going to feel verydifferent to taking the mick out
of an Aussie or a Canadian.
It is 2025, and yet we stillsometimes hear monkey chants on
the football terraces when ablack player gets the ball,
don't we?
It happened in an arsenal gameearlier on this year.
So calling a white man an ape isgoing to make them feel very
(06:14):
different than if you called ablack man an ape.
The amount of rejection and painthat a white guy would
experience is maybe 1 outta 10on the, I don't feel safe scale,
but the black guy, he mightalready be living at 5 outta 10
as it is, and it is gonna begenerations and generations
(06:38):
before this changes.
And it's only going to change ifwe understand that this process
exists.
If we acknowledge that whatdoesn't injure one person a
hundred percent hurts somebodyelse.
That what doesn't bother yourfriend might really bother you.
Not because you're sensitive,not because you're weak, not
(06:59):
because they're strong, butbecause they are them and you
are you.
That we all have our ownphenomenological view of the
world.
Phenomenology is this show offword we use for the study of
subjective experience.
Do you remember the Doublerainbow guy?
(07:19):
That bloke at Yosemite NationalPark called Bear, who in 2010
got massively emotional over arainbow.
That was when YouTube properlypeaked and it was turned into a
song and all sorts, and it waslovely.
And in the video a fair fewtimes, this guy Bear, he says.
What does this mean?
And he cries like it was hiswedding day or something,
(07:41):
repeating the phrase, What doesthis mean?
And it meant something to himbecause he wanted it to.
But it meant something differentto me.
Yeah, it was a beautifulrainbows, bright and sharp.
And you know what?
I used to live on the top of ahill, and with the sun at the
right angle and the rain infront of me, I saw some
(08:02):
beautiful double rainbows.
Science of rainbows isbrilliant.
The light splits bounces aroundinside the raindrop and comes
back out at just the right angleto hit your eye.
But the key thing is, my rainbowisn't your rainbow.
You'll see it from a slightlydifferent angle through your own
(08:22):
lens.
Only you can see your rainbow,which means that everyone's
rainbow looks a bit different.
Everyone's rainbow is completelyunique to them.
And don't even get me started onthe illusion of colour.
'cause actually colour iscompletely unique as well.
Colour is created by our ownbrains.
(08:44):
Not only is my rainbow gonna bedifferent to yours, but my red
is totally different to yours.
For all I know.
The colour that you call red.
I'd call orange.
If you were blind at birth andyou've never seen the colour
red, no matter how goodsomeone's language is, no matter
how well they tried to describeit to you, you're still not
(09:07):
gonna be able to imagine it.
You cannot experience it in thesame way that a sighted person
would.
There's a guy on YouTube calledTommy Edison, who's blind and
tells some fascinatingperspectives.
Every woman he's ever been withis a 10 he said.
He knows that other people see ablue sky, but he doesn't know
(09:29):
what that looks like.
He dreams in darkness.
His dreams are about sounds andsmells and sensations just like
ours, but just like his awakeexperiences, there's nothing to
see.
He has no concept of what thingsmight look like.
(09:51):
Because his phenomenologicalperspective is different to
anyone else's and so is yours.
Think about this.
You watch some people on arollercoaster and they go up and
they go down and they wave theirarms in the air and they scream
and they all get off again.
If one by one you ask them todescribe how it felt, they would
(10:13):
all describe it from their ownexperiential perspective.
They'd be common themes, maybe.
But it would still be unique tothem and you could listen and
understand how it was to them.
But if you then went on therollercoaster, would your
experience of it be the same asany of theirs?
(10:34):
Probably not, no.
And would after speaking to thedozens of people that went on
it, but that mean you don't needto go on it anymore yourself,
because you already know how itfeels.
No, you still need to actuallyexperience it in order to know
how it feels.
So, despite my enthusiasm and mypassion for equality, do I know
(10:58):
what it feels like to be a blackman being called an ape?
No.
Do I know what it feels like tobe a woman in a culture of
patriarchy?
I don't.
A client with a history ofsexual abuse once said to me
once that no therapist couldever help them unless they'd
been abused themselves.
'cause they wouldn't know how itfelt.
(11:19):
And we had to work on thatbecause even if they were to
work with a therapist who'd hadexactly the same experience as
them, it still wouldn't be feltas the same experience.
Your world is always gonna beyour world.
Someone might find somethingvery easy to do that you might
(11:40):
find really difficult.
One person might enjoy somethingand get excited by it, but you
would find it horrendouslyanxiety provoking.
When your man Bear in Yosemitesaw that bright, crisp, double
rainbow all across the sky.
He had a phenomenologicalmoment.
When I see videos of babieslaughing, I have a
(12:01):
phenomenological moment.
When I read stories aboutbullying or neglect, I have a
phenomenological moment, and sowould you, and so would everyone
you know, and because it's aphenomenological moment, it's
different for each of us.
I likely see threats where youdon't.
(12:23):
You might see threats where Idon't because you have a unique
view of the world, but even if Ifeel safe and you don't.
That doesn't mean that the wayyou feel isn't valid.
Your feelings are valid.
When someone with an eatingdisorder who loathes and
despises the way that they look,gets told by their friend that
(12:46):
they shouldn't be so stupid,that friend is the one who's
made the mistake.
When I say the word Christmas toyou and ask you to think about
Christmas, how it feels and whatit means, it is gonna be
completely different to somebodyelse's for a million different
reasons.
Christmas to an Australian willgenerate totally different
(13:09):
experiences to Christmas tosomeone who's Irish, the phrase
Get off my land! Is gonna feelvery different to an Australian
born man than it would to anIrishman.
I went to Australia once and waswalking along Bondi Beach and
there was some stencilledgraffiti on a path that simply
(13:30):
said.
On aboriginal land, and thosewords are gonna mean something
different to everyone.
Some people would read it andfeel guilt, some would feel
shame, some fear, some pride,some curiosity.
And that's how it is with otherthings.
That's how it is with attachmentinjuries.
(13:50):
Someone with insecurities, isgonna feel completely different
to someone who is more secure intheir connections and
attachments with people.
When they try to have aconversation with a friend over
lunch and their friend isconstantly looking at their
phone, the insecure person willfeel rejected, ignored,
(14:11):
belittled, inferior.
And the secure character mightfeel amused or superior or
nothing.
Trauma or neglect in life cancreate a genuine pain that other
people might not even come closeto ever understanding.
And not everyone knows this.
So as far as other people areconcerned, the only reason they
(14:34):
can see for you feeling rejectedwhen they didn't reject you is
because to them you are toosensitive.
You need to toughen up and nottake things personally, which in
itself is equally as criticaland threatening as any other
rejection.
Because you'll get a sense thatthey don't know you.
(14:57):
And if you have a dichotomousmindset that people are either
with you or against you, andthere's no middle ground, Well
then they must be against you.
Please recognise that whateveryou experience and however
painful it is.
That pain is real.
That pain is valid.
You don't have to justify yourpain by comparing it to someone
(15:19):
else's.
You just have to let yourselffeel it.
That's how healing starts.
Like I so often say, justbecause someone has things worse
than you, doesn't mean youshouldn't be in pain too.
Yeah, broken legs are painful,but some are broken toes.
I speak from experience.
(15:41):
Anyway, that's a good spot toend on.
Let's go for today.
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I'm secure enough that I don'tneed everyone to like me.
(16:04):
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and I meant to do it again.
I did open the webpage with therandomiser on it.
Let's have another go Shall we?
On wheel of names.com, right?
Let's open this up and let's seeon this wheel.
(16:27):
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Um, let's have a look who'snext.
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Lucy.
Lucy, somebody.
Thank you, Lucy, for being apatron of the podcast, Ivor
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It's Mick.
Alright, let's have one more.
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I've seen you about somewhere.
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Have a super duper week, a superduper month and I'll speak to
you again very soon.
Love ya.
Bye bye.
And hello to you, and welcome to the Richard
Nicholls podcast, the personaldevelopment podcast series
that's here to help inspire,educate, and motivate you to be
the best you can be.
I'm psychotherapist RichardNicholls, and today you'll learn
all about phenomenology.
(00:24):
And if you are ready.
We'll start the show.
How do folks, have you had agood month?
If you have, I wonder how youknew.
What was it that you experiencedthat made it good?
'cause it's quite possible thatyou had exactly the same week as
someone else, and they mighthave felt that they'd had a bad
(00:46):
week.
It's all a matter ofperspective, isn't it?
But the thing is.
If it felt like a bad week, thenit was a bad week, even if in
hindsight there was nothing badabout it if you were to compare
it to someone else's.
You see, it's really common forsomeone to either say to me in
their therapy session or towrite to me in an email
(01:09):
something like, I shouldn't feelthis bad.
Other people have a worse lifethan me.
And you know what?
They're probably right, aren'tthey?
Let's be fair.
It's true to say that all of usright now are in a better
position than someone somewhereelse on this planet.
But to be honest, that'sirrelevant, actually.
(01:32):
Knowing that somebody somewhereis having a worse time than you
doesn't mean that you are wrongto be hurting.
It shouldn't mean that you can'tfeel pain or grief or rejection.
One person's experience is gonnabe completely different to
someone else's, and it's worthbeing aware of that for many
(01:53):
reasons.
Some of your listening mightremember the ITN News presenter,
Alistair Stewart.
He had to resign from presentingthe news on ITV, a couple of
years ago now.
Because in a Twitter spat with apolitician, he quoted
Shakespeare.
Which is not normally worthresigning over unless, of
(02:14):
course, in doing so, youaccidentally call a black man an
angry ape.
Which did not land well.
And at the time the papers wereall over it saying it's
political correctness gone mad.
As they do.
And in some ways it kind of wasan overreaction.
He wasn't being cruel himself.
(02:35):
In fact, what he was doing wastreating someone in the exact
same way that he'd treat anyone.
And that's the exact opposite ofprejudice, isn't it?
Isn't it?
Well, maybe not.
Giving two people the exact samesituation doesn't necessarily
mean that they're going to havethe same experience.
(02:56):
Similarly, my son, my wife andI, we were around a mate's house
once and we'd mention that wewere gonna go out for an Indian
meal that night.
And so she puts on this Indianaccent and says, oh, you're
going for a curry are you Mr.
Richard, oh Yum, yum, yum, yum,yum.
And my son sort of, squints oneeye and cocks his head as if to
(03:18):
say, Ugh, really?
And she went, oh, I supposethat's racist, isn't it?
And we changed the subject.
Well, I didn't wanna embarrassher, but she obviously felt
guilty and it was on her mind.
'cause later on she put on anAustralian accent and then said,
well, how come impersonating anAustralian isn't thought of as
(03:39):
racism, but putting on an Indianaccent is.
We had a nice little debateabout it.
Hopefully opened her eyes a bitand made her think differently.
'cause like I say, everyone hastheir own reactions to their
experiences.
Everyone's experiences aretotally unique.
(03:59):
So saying G'day cobber to anAustralian colleague on a Monday
morning is gonna make them feelcompletely different to walking
up to an Indian work mate andgreeting them by impersonating
Apu from the Simpsons.
Now, in theory, there's nodifference is there?
But of course there is.
(04:21):
How often is someone beaten todeath just for being Australian?
How many Australians have beenchatting with some friends in a
pub and had someone walk up tothem and tell them that they
should piss off back to wherethey came from?
How many signs have ever beenput up that say.
No Australians?
(04:41):
Have you ever seen some graffition somebody's door that says,
Aussies go home?
So someone moving to the UK fromAustralia isn't gonna feel the
need to find or create anAustralian area of the town so
that they can feel safe in it,so that they can create a sense
of belongingness, are they?
(05:03):
I remember reading an interviewwith Naomi Campbell once.
She mentioned that when herparents came to the UK from
Jamaica, there were still thosefamous signs on the hotel and
restaurant doors that said, NoIrish, no blacks, no dogs.
Just think about that for amoment that before the Race
Relations Act of 1968, which wasjust a few years before I was
(05:27):
born really.
Someone could refuse to sellsomeone a house.
They could refuse to offer thema job interview, refuse to serve
them in a pub for no otherreason than they weren't white
Brits.
And I'm not sure how far we'vereally moved on, really.
So taking the mick out of anIrishman or a Jamaican or an
(05:51):
Asian is going to feel verydifferent to taking the mick out
of an Aussie or a Canadian.
It is 2025, and yet we stillsometimes hear monkey chants on
the football terraces when ablack player gets the ball,
don't we?
It happened in an arsenal gameearlier on this year.
So calling a white man an ape isgoing to make them feel very
(06:14):
different than if you called ablack man an ape.
The amount of rejection and painthat a white guy would
experience is maybe 1 outta 10on the, I don't feel safe scale,
but the black guy, he mightalready be living at 5 outta 10
as it is, and it is gonna begenerations and generations
(06:38):
before this changes.
And it's only going to change ifwe understand that this process
exists.
If we acknowledge that whatdoesn't injure one person a
hundred percent hurts somebodyelse.
That what doesn't bother yourfriend might really bother you.
Not because you're sensitive,not because you're weak, not
(06:59):
because they're strong, butbecause they are them and you
are you.
That we all have our ownphenomenological view of the
world.
Phenomenology is this show offword we use for the study of
subjective experience.
Do you remember the Doublerainbow guy?
(07:19):
That bloke at Yosemite NationalPark called Bear, who in 2010
got massively emotional over arainbow.
That was when YouTube properlypeaked and it was turned into a
song and all sorts, and it waslovely.
And in the video a fair fewtimes, this guy Bear, he says.
What does this mean?
And he cries like it was hiswedding day or something,
(07:41):
repeating the phrase, What doesthis mean?
And it meant something to himbecause he wanted it to.
But it meant something differentto me.
Yeah, it was a beautifulrainbows, bright and sharp.
And you know what?
I used to live on the top of ahill, and with the sun at the
right angle and the rain infront of me, I saw some
(08:02):
beautiful double rainbows.
Science of rainbows isbrilliant.
The light splits bounces aroundinside the raindrop and comes
back out at just the right angleto hit your eye.
But the key thing is, my rainbowisn't your rainbow.
You'll see it from a slightlydifferent angle through your own
(08:22):
lens.
Only you can see your rainbow,which means that everyone's
rainbow looks a bit different.
Everyone's rainbow is completelyunique to them.
And don't even get me started onthe illusion of colour.
'cause actually colour iscompletely unique as well.
Colour is created by our ownbrains.
(08:44):
Not only is my rainbow gonna bedifferent to yours, but my red
is totally different to yours.
For all I know.
The colour that you call red.
I'd call orange.
If you were blind at birth andyou've never seen the colour
red, no matter how goodsomeone's language is, no matter
how well they tried to describeit to you, you're still not
(09:07):
gonna be able to imagine it.
You cannot experience it in thesame way that a sighted person
would.
There's a guy on YouTube calledTommy Edison, who's blind and
tells some fascinatingperspectives.
Every woman he's ever been withis a 10 he said.
He knows that other people see ablue sky, but he doesn't know
(09:29):
what that looks like.
He dreams in darkness.
His dreams are about sounds andsmells and sensations just like
ours, but just like his awakeexperiences, there's nothing to
see.
He has no concept of what thingsmight look like.
(09:51):
Because his phenomenologicalperspective is different to
anyone else's and so is yours.
Think about this.
You watch some people on arollercoaster and they go up and
they go down and they wave theirarms in the air and they scream
and they all get off again.
If one by one you ask them todescribe how it felt, they would
(10:13):
all describe it from their ownexperiential perspective.
They'd be common themes, maybe.
But it would still be unique tothem and you could listen and
understand how it was to them.
But if you then went on therollercoaster, would your
experience of it be the same asany of theirs?
(10:34):
Probably not, no.
And would after speaking to thedozens of people that went on
it, but that mean you don't needto go on it anymore yourself,
because you already know how itfeels.
No, you still need to actuallyexperience it in order to know
how it feels.
So, despite my enthusiasm and mypassion for equality, do I know
(10:58):
what it feels like to be a blackman being called an ape?
No.
Do I know what it feels like tobe a woman in a culture of
patriarchy?
I don't.
A client with a history ofsexual abuse once said to me
once that no therapist couldever help them unless they'd
been abused themselves.
'cause they wouldn't know how itfelt.
(11:19):
And we had to work on thatbecause even if they were to
work with a therapist who'd hadexactly the same experience as
them, it still wouldn't be feltas the same experience.
Your world is always gonna beyour world.
Someone might find somethingvery easy to do that you might
(11:40):
find really difficult.
One person might enjoy somethingand get excited by it, but you
would find it horrendouslyanxiety provoking.
When your man Bear in Yosemitesaw that bright, crisp, double
rainbow all across the sky.
He had a phenomenologicalmoment.
When I see videos of babieslaughing, I have a
(12:01):
phenomenological moment.
When I read stories aboutbullying or neglect, I have a
phenomenological moment, and sowould you, and so would everyone
you know, and because it's aphenomenological moment, it's
different for each of us.
I likely see threats where youdon't.
(12:23):
You might see threats where Idon't because you have a unique
view of the world, but even if Ifeel safe and you don't.
That doesn't mean that the wayyou feel isn't valid.
Your feelings are valid.
When someone with an eatingdisorder who loathes and
despises the way that they look,gets told by their friend that
(12:46):
they shouldn't be so stupid,that friend is the one who's
made the mistake.
When I say the word Christmas toyou and ask you to think about
Christmas, how it feels and whatit means, it is gonna be
completely different to somebodyelse's for a million different
reasons.
Christmas to an Australian willgenerate totally different
(13:09):
experiences to Christmas tosomeone who's Irish, the phrase
Get off my land! Is gonna feelvery different to an Australian
born man than it would to anIrishman.
I went to Australia once and waswalking along Bondi Beach and
there was some stencilledgraffiti on a path that simply
(13:30):
said.
On aboriginal land, and thosewords are gonna mean something
different to everyone.
Some people would read it andfeel guilt, some would feel
shame, some fear, some pride,some curiosity.
And that's how it is with otherthings.
That's how it is with attachmentinjuries.
(13:50):
Someone with insecurities, isgonna feel completely different
to someone who is more secure intheir connections and
attachments with people.
When they try to have aconversation with a friend over
lunch and their friend isconstantly looking at their
phone, the insecure person willfeel rejected, ignored,
(14:11):
belittled, inferior.
And the secure character mightfeel amused or superior or
nothing.
Trauma or neglect in life cancreate a genuine pain that other
people might not even come closeto ever understanding.
And not everyone knows this.
So as far as other people areconcerned, the only reason they
(14:34):
can see for you feeling rejectedwhen they didn't reject you is
because to them you are toosensitive.
You need to toughen up and nottake things personally, which in
itself is equally as criticaland threatening as any other
rejection.
Because you'll get a sense thatthey don't know you.
(14:57):
And if you have a dichotomousmindset that people are either
with you or against you, andthere's no middle ground, Well
then they must be against you.
Please recognise that whateveryou experience and however
painful it is.
That pain is real.
That pain is valid.
You don't have to justify yourpain by comparing it to someone
(15:19):
else's.
You just have to let yourselffeel it.
That's how healing starts.
Like I so often say, justbecause someone has things worse
than you, doesn't mean youshouldn't be in pain too.
Yeah, broken legs are painful,but some are broken toes.
I speak from experience.
(15:41):
Anyway, that's a good spot toend on.
Let's go for today.
I'll be back on Monday onPatreon, as usual.
With an episode about impostersyndrome.
So if that's something thatyou're interested in, sign up.
It is free for seven days and ifyou're not that interested in
supporting what I do, I'm notgonna hold it against you for
sure.
I'm secure enough that I don'tneed everyone to like me.
(16:04):
Actually, last month I did ashout out to some random patrons
and I meant to do it again.
I did open the webpage with therandomiser on it.
Let's have another go Shall we?
On wheel of names.com, right?
Let's open this up and let's seeon this wheel.
(16:27):
Thomas Armstead, thank you forbeing a patron Thomas.
Um, let's have a look who'snext.
Lucy, I dunno who you are.
Lucy.
Lucy, somebody.
Thank you, Lucy, for being apatron of the podcast, Ivor
Dalton.
Thank you too for being a patronon patreon.com.
(16:51):
Vicki L oh one of my favouriteLs, um, who's next, Lesley
Smith.
Thank you Lesley.
And let's have one more Mick,just Mick.
It's Mick.
Alright, let's have one more.
Um, Rob Main, oh, I know thatname.
I've seen you about somewhere.
Rob, do you follow me on socialmedia?
(17:11):
Laura Graves, hello to you tooand Rachel Chambers.
That's a nice place to end.
Thank you very much for being apatron.
Have a super duper week, a superduper month and I'll speak to
you again very soon.
Love ya.
Bye bye.
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