November 24, 2025 • 18 mins
00:00 - 18:31 - Stephen Holder from ESPN joins the show! Stephen and JMV discuss the lack of rushing attempts for Jonathan Taylor in the later stages of the game, the concerning performances from Daniel Jones lately, and how the Colts will respond with a desperate Texans team coming to town in a week.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On the Anymore Automotive Group potline from ESPN ESPN dot com.
He was at Narrowhead yesterday watching in overtime KC knockoff
the Colts, and Steven Holder joins us. Now, so you
take issue with what the most in terms of being
critical about this team's performance yesterday?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Oh my god, there's so much. It's hard to narrow
it down. I'm being honest. So I'll give you a
list in no order. I think a couple things. Number One,
they got to figure out what the hell is going
on against the blitz. They cannot just be there in
the headlight again the blitz like that. And I get it.
Not every team is going to have as creative blitzes
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and as as as aggressive blitzes, maybe as as Stagnolo
does in Kansas City. But they're they're putting this on tape. Okay,
other teams are watching. Yep. That's the first thing. They
have to figure that. They were abysmal all those third
downs in the fourth quarter. And it's on my Twitter
feed if you want to go look at it. All
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of the third downs in the fourth quarter, all three
of them, they faced a five or six man pass
rush and it was a disaster. Okay, that's number one.
Number two. Shane Stikeen would probably push back on this,
but I think you've got to try to run it
a little more. And I'm not sitting here saying that
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it was easy, that it would have been easy. It
would not have been there's no question. And there were
heavy boxes sometimes, but you know what, they didn't get
in the yards the other way anyway, right, they didn't
get any yards with incompletions. They didn't have a lot
going on in the passing game. Jones was struggling. At
least try, That's all I'm saying. At least try. He
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tried it on I think that first first down and
he gave up. And again, I get it, you don't
want to bang your head against the wall. I'm not
oblivious to that. But I just think the reason they
lost was because Mahomes had enough time, and I mean
just enough time. If you run that ball a few
more times, you might not get much of anything, but
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at least okay, at least you make them burn their timeouts.
And then I would say, just finally, there's just too
many sort of you know, sort of scramble play completion
from Mahomes's that's tough, and he's so great in those situations,
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but if somebody has to make a play at some point,
somebody has to make a play. I thought the corners,
the two big money corners. I have no issue with
those guys. And I know people are down on ward
because you gave up some stuff at the end. I
think you're just covering too long there and at some point,
after ninety plays, that's gonna happen. That's just football, man.
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But just again, someone has to make a play there
at the end on those scrambled drill plays with Mahomes.
So anyway, yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
But that's what I think, and I hold down. I
think we have to hold down to the highest of
regard in that secondary. And this is probably inaccurate of me,
and I said so earlier that there's gotta be some
playmaking ability there too. I mean, I just I expect that.
I know it's Mahomes. I know it's easier said than done,
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but they did give up a lot of chunk yardage
and I know they were tired and all that, but
the excuse is go out the window. When you make
the deal that you did back during the NFL trade deadline.
So I'll start right there, but that is not my
major point. And you're right with the offense here too.
The moment that speck Nullah went to that all out
downhill blitz. I mean, it's twofold. It compromises the offensive
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line because they look, they look clueless, and the whole
operation with Daniel Jones, this team looks really good and
fluid when they're on easy Street, but when that goes down,
they're an absolute mess offensively, and their head coach could
not get them out of it and really kept beating
his head against the wall. Was something that wasn't working,
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hasn't worked, and wasn't going to work. And I thought
that that was a major disappointment of mine too.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yeah, look, Shane Is he has to find answers. Okay, period,
there's no if answer butts here. And Daniel Jones, I'm
just being honest. Awful, Okay, I'm gonna say it, freaking awful.
All right. He missed at least three throws in that
fourth quarter where he has to be on the screws
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and he was not. Look, this is the game, Okay.
You want to be a big time quarterback, Yeah, you
got to make the big time plays. The other quarterback
outplays you. Now, I get it, he's the greatest, I
get it. But this is what I've been saying since
the preseason when I thought a lot less of Daniel Jones. Admittedly, right,
what I was saying, what we all were saying, is
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when it comes down to quarterback playmaking time, is he
going to be able to make the plays? Well? The
jury now is a little bit out on that, okay,
And he hasn't done it in the two big games
where they got their heads kicked in at times, right
Pittsburgh in this game, and he's going to have to
go prove it, all right, because his agent's going to
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go as for thirty five million dollars this off season. Well,
you better go earn it, okay. Because there is another
alternative view of Daniel Jones. And I love Daniel. I
think he's done an incredible job. What he's been one
of the best stories in the NFL all year. However,
there is an alternative, I guess viewpoint with him, and
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it's that he's a creation of shames taken. I'm not
saying it, but I'm saying, if you want to make
that case, I could make that case if I wanted to, Okay, you,
as Daniel Jones, have to go out there and you
got to put it on tape and show it. And
that was not it yesterday.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
No it's not. And I thought, that's Bagnulo. You know,
much like we had seen in Atlanta, I should in
Berlin versus Atlantin and what I think you can in
comparable terms from Pittsburgh equate to what you're going to
see with Anderson and Hunter coming up on Sunday with
the Texans in town. You mentioned this earlier. The tape
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is out. I mean, everybody knows how you mess up
the operation of this Colts offense right now. And that's
what's Maagnuloh and the Chiefs did in the fourth quarter.
That's what Pittsburgh did, just with a couple of veteran
guys that have done it at a high level before.
That's what Atlanta did, but the Colts escape with a
win in Berlin. You're right, I mean that tape is
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out there right now, and you've got to find some
ways and means to deal with it. And you mentioned
the offensive line. The right side of the offensive line
I thought was awful, and I think the only time
it wasn't awful. Is when you saw Quintin Nelson like
pulling on the right side of the offensive line. The
other part of it I thought was a huge mess.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, so many of the things that this team has
hung its hat on are now in question. And I
think this is an emergency, okay. And I'm not the
guy that's like over the top. I try not to
be so. I think people I've been in this town
long enough. I think people know how I am right.
I try to look at things level headed. But look,
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we have to judge them in terms of where they're
trying to go, all right. They're not just trying to
get to the playoffs, all right, Right, you can't start
you can't start seven and one and just act like
just getting to the playoffs good enough. It ain't good enough, man.
And frankly, they haven't even done that yet. Okay, let's
be honest, right, they still got to do that. They
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got to get there. But all I'm saying is, like
the bar is high. It changed, Okay, I get it.
Everybody was ready to fire everybody. I know, I understand that.
But when you play well and you show you're capable
of more, well, the bar the bar gets raised. It
is what it is. Okay. I'm just sitting here making
a working man salary. Okay, like the big buster go
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to those guys. So like, you know, that's just the job, buddy,
you know. So what I'm saying is I don't have
any problem with saying let's hold them to a to
a high standard, because they showed that that's that's what
they're they're worthy of. Right. The other thing I would
say is you talked about and I as well about
other teams wanting the film, Well, they also look at
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tendencies too. And one of the things that I'm wondering
about is do other coaches realize that if you can
get Shane a little frustrated with the run.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Game, that he's going to have a question, no question.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Okay, And I'll tell you I had. I had someone
in the NFL today text me, okay who clearly watched
the tape this morning, and the text was, what's with
these coaches who just give up on the run? What's
going on with that? He was talking about Shane. I mean,
other people are asking the same question. So I'm telling
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you they look at those tendencies and this is not
the first time with change. So I don't think it's
just this one game. I think that is I think
somewhat well known out there.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
I think he was outside of that long or his
longest run was like just a smidge over two yards
of carry.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
But also you know who also you know who also
didn't have a lot of yards per carry, Kareem Hunt.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Right well, and here's here's my point I was going
to make off of that. You also, you know, the
fourth quarter, you get down to the to the end
of it, and you're also doing that in terms of
utilizing the clock, which you couldn't do. I mean, your
four consecutive including overtime three and outs, and your your
defense was gassed clearly and you continued to give them
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no help whatsoever. And the stat that really sticks out
to me regarding Daniel Jones as you start the game,
when I mentioned you're on easy Street and everything is
going smoothly. Your operation is smooth, You're in rhythm, You're
sixteen to twenty for two touchdowns. You finished the game
three of eleven and a single first down, I think
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is the way that it was, and you know, and
Steike ain't kept going to it, and that to me
is bad business.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yeah, and you talked about the clock, and I want
to be specific. You probably know this, but for the
for the audience and the fourth quarter, I think this
is Yeah, just the fourth quarter. They ran three minutes
and fourteen seconds of clock. Three minutes, fourteen seconds. Okay,
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they had no first downs in the final eighteen minutes
of regulation. You just to lose, Okay, they I don't
want to hear this nonsense. They let it get away. Yeah,
they let it get away because they didn't do a
damn thing. You can't not get a first down for
the last eighteen minutes of the game and expect to win.
Get out of here. That's that's ridiculous, right, I mean,
(10:59):
that's that's what we're talking about. If they get one
or two first downs, I bet money they win, I
guarantee it. Think about that.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
The other thing I've noticed too. Maybe it's happened recently,
but I don't think so. When's the last time that
they stopped the two point conversion?
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Oh? Well, that's a great question.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
I don't know, because it seems like if I'm the opposition,
I seriously, if I'm aggressive to I start to think
about going for two every time because I don't think
they've stopped one in years. Maybe they have, but it
doesn't seem like that they have to me.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Maybe I don't know the answer, but I need to
look it up now. I believe did Atlanta have one
as well?
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I think anybody has one if they want one, don't
they That's the way that it feels to me. It's
whenever they go out there for a two point conversion. Now, granted,
I think teams could go for it more than they
do and be successful. They just don't because nobody else
is trending upward and doing it before them. Nobody has,
you know, the balls to do it. But and then
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probably people would view as being foolish. But you know,
in terms of going against the Colts, it seems like
that that's good business to me.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah, And I think one of the things to mention
defensively is, I mean this is sort of obvious, but
I think you really saw the lack of the forest
buckner in that game. Because they got some edge pressure.
They did win sometimes on the edges. But guess what,
that doesn't phase Patrick Mahomes. It doesn't phase him at all.
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He steps up and he sides to the and he
keeps the play alive. That guy is completely unbothered by
edge pressure. What you gotta do is you got to
get in his face and make him have to stay
in the pocket and then you can get to him
from the air right.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
And I will tell you this too. He wants you
to do that and those circumstances, especially when Rice wasn't
on the field, because he doesn't really trust outside of
Rice and Kelsey, you know a lot of other dudes,
I think consistently on his offense. So when he's getting
in that scramble mode, I think he feels more comfortable.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
No, I think you're right, And like him and Kelsey
particularly in that scramble mode. You know, they have been
doing that for years, so that's like now they're just
out there doing hard and glow trotter stuff, you know.
And you're right, and Rice as well. Now, so I
don't disagree with you. He's the one guy who when
he's off schedule, he's just as good as when he's
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on schedule, you know, or I guess not off schedule,
but like when he's off his spot, you know, some
of some guys tend to break down when the play
breaks down. The play breaks down from my homes and
he's just like, ah, this is my element. You know,
it is really uncanny. And I do want to say this, Okay,
I know no one wants to hear it if you're
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a Colts fan, but you allow yourself to take a
step back and just say the guy is amazing. He is.
He is special. I'm just telling you you are seeing
you are seeing sit in quarterback play with Patrick Mahomes.
No one else has been able to do what he
does in these situations when plays breakdown. He's just he's
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one of one. I just want to say that.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
He is. Steven Holder of ESPN ESPN dot com. He's
on the Andy Moore at a Motive Group potline. Did
you think Daniel Jones was compromised with his calf fibula
whatever the hell it is.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Look, I really kind of badgered Shane Steichen on that
this afternoon a little more because I told him, I
said saying, I said, you said fibula, And I gotta
be honest. I thought all weekend long, I was like,
that doesn't make any sense. What is going on with fibula?
And he just refused to give any details. And to
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your question, I thought he looked not quite himself.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
The scramble out of bounds where he kind of walked
to the sideline is the time when I noticed that
maybe he wasn't all right.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Tell me another time this season where Daniel Jones has
conducted himself that way on a scramble. Name one other time.
If anything, we've been like, hey, man, run out of bounds,
be careful. Okay. I'm not saying he's taking like brutal hits,
but he tends to finish the play. Okay, He's trying
to get every possible yard. That guy he couldn't wait
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to get to the sideline on that play. And that's
not the Daniel Jones that I've been watching all year.
So I am very lary of whatever is going on
with him. I don't know if this is a product
of the Atlanta game where he had to have some
pretty tough runs at the end of that game, and
there were even questions for me sitting in the press box,
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like is he okay? Because he got hit pretty hard
at the end of that game a couple times, if
you recall. So there was no practice that week, so
therefore we had no injury report coming out of the
Berlin game, so it's impossible to know unless they tell
us and no one's talking. But I do have questions, Yes,
I have questions, and I do wonder if some of
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his inaccurate throws could have been a product of whatever's
going on with him physically, you know, but I'm despecting.
But they didn't have a question.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
They didn't have a third, more veteran being ripping quarterback
option made available for them, So I think that eased
everybody's mind until and maybe we do over analyze it
a little bit. But he didn't. He didn't look like
on the run he was nearly the way that we
have seen him, especially after knowing what we know. I
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guess now, Stephen.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yeah, And I think the thing to also keep in
mind here is after the game, we asked Daniel straight up, like,
how are you doing physically? And he didn't say, oh,
it's nothing. He said, well, look, if you're good enough
to play, you play well. That doesn't make me feel
any better, So that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Yeah, and he get the Texans and must win mode
coming up for the Colts too, as well as the
Section five Texans on Sunday, and you watch the way
they demolished Josh Allen and the Bills. That didn't make
anybody sleep easier for sure.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Now you're getting two back to back desperate teams, all right,
that was the reality. I was talking to my colleague
at ESPN, Jeff Darlington, before the game yesterday, and he
had been doing some reporting with the Chiefs. He's covered
them a long time, and he said, look, these guys
like they this is the super Bowl for them because
like they know, they gotta win, they gotta have it.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
You know.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
He just sensed something about them. And I think you
know enough about the Chiefs to know how they play
in those situations, and you saw it in that fourth quarter. Okay,
So now here is another team that is fighting for
its life and trying to find its way, and they
are responding based on Thursday night. So that is a
very powerful thing that you have to fight through. And
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this Colts team has kind of been on autopilot for
a while, right. I don't mean like they weren't take
things seriously.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I'm not suggesting that when things get hard they've gone away. Steven.
That's problematic, and that's that's.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
What I'm getting. This is the first time it's gotten
really hard for them where they're like, Okay, now you've
got to fight for your life now, and that is
not something they've had to do all year long. So
this is going to be very revealing, I believe.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Stephenholder of ESPN and espn dot Com. He's on the
Andymoor Automotive Group Poline. Always a good Monday, and after
a month long hiatus, we'll see you back in Lucas
Oyl Stadium coming up on Sunday. Stephen, thank you, all right,
you got it.
On the Anymore Automotive Group potline from ESPN ESPN dot com.
He was at Narrowhead yesterday watching in overtime KC knockoff
the Colts, and Steven Holder joins us. Now, so you
take issue with what the most in terms of being
critical about this team's performance yesterday?
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Oh my god, there's so much. It's hard to narrow
it down. I'm being honest. So I'll give you a
list in no order. I think a couple things. Number One,
they got to figure out what the hell is going
on against the blitz. They cannot just be there in
the headlight again the blitz like that. And I get it.
Not every team is going to have as creative blitzes
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and as as as aggressive blitzes, maybe as as Stagnolo
does in Kansas City. But they're they're putting this on tape. Okay,
other teams are watching. Yep. That's the first thing. They
have to figure that. They were abysmal all those third
downs in the fourth quarter. And it's on my Twitter
feed if you want to go look at it. All
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of the third downs in the fourth quarter, all three
of them, they faced a five or six man pass
rush and it was a disaster. Okay, that's number one.
Number two. Shane Stikeen would probably push back on this,
but I think you've got to try to run it
a little more. And I'm not sitting here saying that
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it was easy, that it would have been easy. It
would not have been there's no question. And there were
heavy boxes sometimes, but you know what, they didn't get
in the yards the other way anyway, right, they didn't
get any yards with incompletions. They didn't have a lot
going on in the passing game. Jones was struggling. At
least try, That's all I'm saying. At least try. He
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tried it on I think that first first down and
he gave up. And again, I get it, you don't
want to bang your head against the wall. I'm not
oblivious to that. But I just think the reason they
lost was because Mahomes had enough time, and I mean
just enough time. If you run that ball a few
more times, you might not get much of anything, but
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at least okay, at least you make them burn their timeouts.
And then I would say, just finally, there's just too
many sort of you know, sort of scramble play completion
from Mahomes's that's tough, and he's so great in those situations,
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but if somebody has to make a play at some point,
somebody has to make a play. I thought the corners,
the two big money corners. I have no issue with
those guys. And I know people are down on ward
because you gave up some stuff at the end. I
think you're just covering too long there and at some point,
after ninety plays, that's gonna happen. That's just football, man.
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But just again, someone has to make a play there
at the end on those scrambled drill plays with Mahomes.
So anyway, yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
But that's what I think, and I hold down. I
think we have to hold down to the highest of
regard in that secondary. And this is probably inaccurate of me,
and I said so earlier that there's gotta be some
playmaking ability there too. I mean, I just I expect that.
I know it's Mahomes. I know it's easier said than done,
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but they did give up a lot of chunk yardage
and I know they were tired and all that, but
the excuse is go out the window. When you make
the deal that you did back during the NFL trade deadline.
So I'll start right there, but that is not my
major point. And you're right with the offense here too.
The moment that speck Nullah went to that all out
downhill blitz. I mean, it's twofold. It compromises the offensive
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line because they look, they look clueless, and the whole
operation with Daniel Jones, this team looks really good and
fluid when they're on easy Street, but when that goes down,
they're an absolute mess offensively, and their head coach could
not get them out of it and really kept beating
his head against the wall. Was something that wasn't working,
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hasn't worked, and wasn't going to work. And I thought
that that was a major disappointment of mine too.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yeah, look, Shane Is he has to find answers. Okay, period,
there's no if answer butts here. And Daniel Jones, I'm
just being honest. Awful, Okay, I'm gonna say it, freaking awful.
All right. He missed at least three throws in that
fourth quarter where he has to be on the screws
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and he was not. Look, this is the game, Okay.
You want to be a big time quarterback, Yeah, you
got to make the big time plays. The other quarterback
outplays you. Now, I get it, he's the greatest, I
get it. But this is what I've been saying since
the preseason when I thought a lot less of Daniel Jones. Admittedly, right,
what I was saying, what we all were saying, is
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when it comes down to quarterback playmaking time, is he
going to be able to make the plays? Well? The
jury now is a little bit out on that, okay,
And he hasn't done it in the two big games
where they got their heads kicked in at times, right
Pittsburgh in this game, and he's going to have to
go prove it, all right, because his agent's going to
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go as for thirty five million dollars this off season. Well,
you better go earn it, okay. Because there is another
alternative view of Daniel Jones. And I love Daniel. I
think he's done an incredible job. What he's been one
of the best stories in the NFL all year. However,
there is an alternative, I guess viewpoint with him, and
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it's that he's a creation of shames taken. I'm not
saying it, but I'm saying, if you want to make
that case, I could make that case if I wanted to, Okay, you,
as Daniel Jones, have to go out there and you
got to put it on tape and show it. And
that was not it yesterday.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
No it's not. And I thought, that's Bagnulo. You know,
much like we had seen in Atlanta, I should in
Berlin versus Atlantin and what I think you can in
comparable terms from Pittsburgh equate to what you're going to
see with Anderson and Hunter coming up on Sunday with
the Texans in town. You mentioned this earlier. The tape
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is out. I mean, everybody knows how you mess up
the operation of this Colts offense right now. And that's
what's Maagnuloh and the Chiefs did in the fourth quarter.
That's what Pittsburgh did, just with a couple of veteran
guys that have done it at a high level before.
That's what Atlanta did, but the Colts escape with a
win in Berlin. You're right, I mean that tape is
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out there right now, and you've got to find some
ways and means to deal with it. And you mentioned
the offensive line. The right side of the offensive line
I thought was awful, and I think the only time
it wasn't awful. Is when you saw Quintin Nelson like
pulling on the right side of the offensive line. The
other part of it I thought was a huge mess.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, so many of the things that this team has
hung its hat on are now in question. And I
think this is an emergency, okay. And I'm not the
guy that's like over the top. I try not to
be so. I think people I've been in this town
long enough. I think people know how I am right.
I try to look at things level headed. But look,
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we have to judge them in terms of where they're
trying to go, all right. They're not just trying to
get to the playoffs, all right, Right, you can't start
you can't start seven and one and just act like
just getting to the playoffs good enough. It ain't good enough, man.
And frankly, they haven't even done that yet. Okay, let's
be honest, right, they still got to do that. They
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got to get there. But all I'm saying is, like
the bar is high. It changed, Okay, I get it.
Everybody was ready to fire everybody. I know, I understand that.
But when you play well and you show you're capable
of more, well, the bar the bar gets raised. It
is what it is. Okay. I'm just sitting here making
a working man salary. Okay, like the big buster go
(07:58):
to those guys. So like, you know, that's just the job, buddy,
you know. So what I'm saying is I don't have
any problem with saying let's hold them to a to
a high standard, because they showed that that's that's what
they're they're worthy of. Right. The other thing I would
say is you talked about and I as well about
other teams wanting the film, Well, they also look at
(08:21):
tendencies too. And one of the things that I'm wondering
about is do other coaches realize that if you can
get Shane a little frustrated with the run.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Game, that he's going to have a question, no question.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Okay, And I'll tell you I had. I had someone
in the NFL today text me, okay who clearly watched
the tape this morning, and the text was, what's with
these coaches who just give up on the run? What's
going on with that? He was talking about Shane. I mean,
other people are asking the same question. So I'm telling
(08:56):
you they look at those tendencies and this is not
the first time with change. So I don't think it's
just this one game. I think that is I think
somewhat well known out there.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
I think he was outside of that long or his
longest run was like just a smidge over two yards
of carry.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
But also you know who also you know who also
didn't have a lot of yards per carry, Kareem Hunt.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Right well, and here's here's my point I was going
to make off of that. You also, you know, the
fourth quarter, you get down to the to the end
of it, and you're also doing that in terms of
utilizing the clock, which you couldn't do. I mean, your
four consecutive including overtime three and outs, and your your
defense was gassed clearly and you continued to give them
(09:45):
no help whatsoever. And the stat that really sticks out
to me regarding Daniel Jones as you start the game,
when I mentioned you're on easy Street and everything is
going smoothly. Your operation is smooth, You're in rhythm, You're
sixteen to twenty for two touchdowns. You finished the game
three of eleven and a single first down, I think
(10:05):
is the way that it was, and you know, and
Steike ain't kept going to it, and that to me
is bad business.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yeah, and you talked about the clock, and I want
to be specific. You probably know this, but for the
for the audience and the fourth quarter, I think this
is Yeah, just the fourth quarter. They ran three minutes
and fourteen seconds of clock. Three minutes, fourteen seconds. Okay,
(10:37):
they had no first downs in the final eighteen minutes
of regulation. You just to lose, Okay, they I don't
want to hear this nonsense. They let it get away. Yeah,
they let it get away because they didn't do a
damn thing. You can't not get a first down for
the last eighteen minutes of the game and expect to win.
Get out of here. That's that's ridiculous, right, I mean,
(10:59):
that's that's what we're talking about. If they get one
or two first downs, I bet money they win, I
guarantee it. Think about that.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
The other thing I've noticed too. Maybe it's happened recently,
but I don't think so. When's the last time that
they stopped the two point conversion?
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Oh? Well, that's a great question.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
I don't know, because it seems like if I'm the opposition,
I seriously, if I'm aggressive to I start to think
about going for two every time because I don't think
they've stopped one in years. Maybe they have, but it
doesn't seem like that they have to me.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Maybe I don't know the answer, but I need to
look it up now. I believe did Atlanta have one
as well?
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I think anybody has one if they want one, don't
they That's the way that it feels to me. It's
whenever they go out there for a two point conversion. Now, granted,
I think teams could go for it more than they
do and be successful. They just don't because nobody else
is trending upward and doing it before them. Nobody has,
you know, the balls to do it. But and then
(12:00):
probably people would view as being foolish. But you know,
in terms of going against the Colts, it seems like
that that's good business to me.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah, And I think one of the things to mention
defensively is, I mean this is sort of obvious, but
I think you really saw the lack of the forest
buckner in that game. Because they got some edge pressure.
They did win sometimes on the edges. But guess what,
that doesn't phase Patrick Mahomes. It doesn't phase him at all.
(12:30):
He steps up and he sides to the and he
keeps the play alive. That guy is completely unbothered by
edge pressure. What you gotta do is you got to
get in his face and make him have to stay
in the pocket and then you can get to him
from the air right.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
And I will tell you this too. He wants you
to do that and those circumstances, especially when Rice wasn't
on the field, because he doesn't really trust outside of
Rice and Kelsey, you know a lot of other dudes,
I think consistently on his offense. So when he's getting
in that scramble mode, I think he feels more comfortable.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
No, I think you're right, And like him and Kelsey
particularly in that scramble mode. You know, they have been
doing that for years, so that's like now they're just
out there doing hard and glow trotter stuff, you know.
And you're right, and Rice as well. Now, so I
don't disagree with you. He's the one guy who when
he's off schedule, he's just as good as when he's
(13:25):
on schedule, you know, or I guess not off schedule,
but like when he's off his spot, you know, some
of some guys tend to break down when the play
breaks down. The play breaks down from my homes and
he's just like, ah, this is my element. You know,
it is really uncanny. And I do want to say this, Okay,
I know no one wants to hear it if you're
(13:46):
a Colts fan, but you allow yourself to take a
step back and just say the guy is amazing. He is.
He is special. I'm just telling you you are seeing
you are seeing sit in quarterback play with Patrick Mahomes.
No one else has been able to do what he
does in these situations when plays breakdown. He's just he's
(14:08):
one of one. I just want to say that.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
He is. Steven Holder of ESPN ESPN dot com. He's
on the Andy Moore at a Motive Group potline. Did
you think Daniel Jones was compromised with his calf fibula
whatever the hell it is.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Look, I really kind of badgered Shane Steichen on that
this afternoon a little more because I told him, I
said saying, I said, you said fibula, And I gotta
be honest. I thought all weekend long, I was like,
that doesn't make any sense. What is going on with fibula?
And he just refused to give any details. And to
(14:44):
your question, I thought he looked not quite himself.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
The scramble out of bounds where he kind of walked
to the sideline is the time when I noticed that
maybe he wasn't all right.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Tell me another time this season where Daniel Jones has
conducted himself that way on a scramble. Name one other time.
If anything, we've been like, hey, man, run out of bounds,
be careful. Okay. I'm not saying he's taking like brutal hits,
but he tends to finish the play. Okay, He's trying
to get every possible yard. That guy he couldn't wait
(15:20):
to get to the sideline on that play. And that's
not the Daniel Jones that I've been watching all year.
So I am very lary of whatever is going on
with him. I don't know if this is a product
of the Atlanta game where he had to have some
pretty tough runs at the end of that game, and
there were even questions for me sitting in the press box,
(15:40):
like is he okay? Because he got hit pretty hard
at the end of that game a couple times, if
you recall. So there was no practice that week, so
therefore we had no injury report coming out of the
Berlin game, so it's impossible to know unless they tell
us and no one's talking. But I do have questions, Yes,
I have questions, and I do wonder if some of
(16:03):
his inaccurate throws could have been a product of whatever's
going on with him physically, you know, but I'm despecting.
But they didn't have a question.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
They didn't have a third, more veteran being ripping quarterback
option made available for them, So I think that eased
everybody's mind until and maybe we do over analyze it
a little bit. But he didn't. He didn't look like
on the run he was nearly the way that we
have seen him, especially after knowing what we know. I
(16:32):
guess now, Stephen.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yeah, And I think the thing to also keep in
mind here is after the game, we asked Daniel straight up, like,
how are you doing physically? And he didn't say, oh,
it's nothing. He said, well, look, if you're good enough
to play, you play well. That doesn't make me feel
any better, So that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Yeah, and he get the Texans and must win mode
coming up for the Colts too, as well as the
Section five Texans on Sunday, and you watch the way
they demolished Josh Allen and the Bills. That didn't make
anybody sleep easier for sure.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Now you're getting two back to back desperate teams, all right,
that was the reality. I was talking to my colleague
at ESPN, Jeff Darlington, before the game yesterday, and he
had been doing some reporting with the Chiefs. He's covered
them a long time, and he said, look, these guys
like they this is the super Bowl for them because
like they know, they gotta win, they gotta have it.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
You know.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
He just sensed something about them. And I think you
know enough about the Chiefs to know how they play
in those situations, and you saw it in that fourth quarter. Okay,
So now here is another team that is fighting for
its life and trying to find its way, and they
are responding based on Thursday night. So that is a
very powerful thing that you have to fight through. And
(17:55):
this Colts team has kind of been on autopilot for
a while, right. I don't mean like they weren't take
things seriously.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I'm not suggesting that when things get hard they've gone away. Steven.
That's problematic, and that's that's.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
What I'm getting. This is the first time it's gotten
really hard for them where they're like, Okay, now you've
got to fight for your life now, and that is
not something they've had to do all year long. So
this is going to be very revealing, I believe.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Stephenholder of ESPN and espn dot Com. He's on the
Andymoor Automotive Group Poline. Always a good Monday, and after
a month long hiatus, we'll see you back in Lucas
Oyl Stadium coming up on Sunday. Stephen, thank you, all right,
you got it.
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