Best Of JMV 11-26-25

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On the Andy Moore Automotive Group potline. He is in Toronto.
He's in Canada, so we had to call him. Evidently
his cell phone does not work north of the border.
Jeremiah Johnson Pacers TV joins us, the first of two
Pacers TV guests on this show. So why does your
phone not work up there? Is that something? I just
don't know because I haven't been to Canada.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
You know, I probably could figure out a call to
the cell phone service provider and activate it. But I
do know in the past, when you take it out
of airplane mode, you get a lot of charges. So
I figure for thirty six hours, I'm on Wi Fi
the whole time. Anyways, who actually calls me except you,
so it's not that big a deal. But of course
you wanted to call me today, so hopefully you can

(00:42):
hear me loud and clear.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
I do hear you.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
Sounds kind of it sounds like you're on like a
CB It's like CW. Mccallough from nineteen seventy six and
convoy right here. But I kind of dig that, so
I don't mind abody. I don't mind that whatsoever. I
know that this weekend going into also a great deal
for you. I mean, not only you've been covering the
facers now and working with them for a number of years,

(01:05):
but you know, doing what you did either at Fox
fifty nine or back in the day in Tara Hoad
at wtwo channel to the NBC affiliate. You have a
great deal of love and admiration for high school football,
a state championship and the start of high school basketball
which is really for the boys going on right now
or later on this weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
It really is a special sports time around here.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
It is fantastic. You just hope always the weather cooperates
just enough, but it gets a little bit chilly. And
to be able to have high school football state finals
where you have really people from all over the state,
you know, come down to Indianapolis and support their teams.
And I'll be able to work the one A state
championship game on the sidelines, which should be, you know,
a really good game between South Putnam and Pioneer. I

(01:50):
enjoyed seeing Pioneer again after having the opportunity to cover
some of their games with Jack Kaiser back in the day.
So I'm looking forward to that and always have a
double dip on FT with the Pacers home game on
Friday night as well, and also good to see the
high school basketball teams getting started this week as well.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah, there's a lot going on, and for you, I mean,
it's just trying to see what Rick Carlisle and company
can cobble together. I guess before every game that's kind
of what you've been dealing with for the past month.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah, it's been a struggle. We have had easy topics
for Pacers Live pregame at the start, because through the
first you know, five weeks, it's been who's available, who's
coming off the injured list, or perhaps who do you
need to know about that's wearing a PACER's uniform that
you don't recognize or know with all the signings. So
what you hope is that moving forward that can sort
of stop and you just have some consistent play with

(02:44):
the guys that you've come to expect to. Had a
conversation with Bennett Mattherin earlier today, and you know, he's
someone that you expect him because he's so tough and
he's never out as long as maybe he should be
for certain injuries that you'll just immediately be able to
pick it back and you forget that when you've been
out for you know, ten or eleven games, it takes
a little bit a little bit of time to get

(03:05):
your win back. And you know, whether you know his
foot is just completely one hundred percent heeled or not.
He's only been back four games, and so that pace
in his game probably if he was at his best.
It's a win for the Pacers. And that's a Detroit
team that has won thirteen straight games, and so Mathern's
only been back to four games. But you know how
important he is by watching him on the court and

(03:26):
to just have another consistent scoring option alongside Andrew Demhart
and Pascal Siakam. I do feel like when you go
into games, at least if you have those three guys
and then if you can just get something from maybe
two other players, maybe double digits or ten to twelve points,
or maybe even more you got the big game from
jars Walker, then you have enough to win these games.

(03:47):
But you're also facing some really good teams who are
playing well. And that is an accurate description for Toronto.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Is it, domb.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
Listen, I know that the expectation is for the him
to play hard and we're really working like they did
against the Pistons the other night, and you know, we
get so many people around here JJ saying, well, you
know it's okay because you know you're working with a
gap year, But man, these guys that are going out
there and playing their ass off, like, I don't look

(04:17):
at Pascal Siakam and I don't want to bring up
any kind of damn gap year to them, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yeah, I don't think anyone has, and if they do,
they might want to be prepared for either across eide
stare or comment that you know, maybe they weren't expecting
because he's not playing and preparing for these games with
that in mind. And Rick Carlisle was pretty clear in
saying specifically those two players, Andrew Nemhard and Pascal Siakam,
you know, they are prideful guys. They're desperate to win games,

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and they care about the organization and the fan base,
and so they're not thinking in those terms. So everyone
else on the team, I guarantee you those players they
all have interest in winning games, and they also have
interests in their own personal and improvement. They're not thinking
that way as well. So you don't want to build
bad habits. I can understand the fan base perspective. If
you know, you had an NBA Finals run a year ago,

(05:09):
and if it's not going to happen, maybe you're in
a position long term that could help you. But but
nobody inside the team is thinking about that, and I
think fans should understand that that's their perspective.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Can you tell, and I think this is just what's
going to happen. It comes natural. Can you tell at
times when especially guys like Siakam or nim Hard for example,
you can tell when they get frustrated?

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Because I think I can.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
I think I saw that especially prevalent on that Western
Road swing. I think it's more easily now an opportunity
for you to tell when these guys get frustrated, because frankly,
I mean, even with Siakam playing as well as he is,
it is so drastically different what is counted on for
them and how they're playing, Considering just how things went

(05:59):
for them and the positive results they had, especially down
the stretch at the end of last year, it is
just a lot different. And it just seems like these guys,
especially those two in particular, are working their ass off
and they kind of know, you know, where they're going
with this, and sometimes you can see a little bit
of frustration, I think, and even the veteran guys, well.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
That was a stretch of six straight games with you know,
losses by at least fifteen points. So I don't care
who you are, if you were you know, the Wizards
or the Nets or you know, any of these teams
that have been losing for a number of years. When
you lose for a two week stretch, you know, games
like that, you're going to have a little bit of frustration.
But yes, I can see it, I can sense it

(06:41):
at times, but you have to really look forward and
not the credit to those guys. They're not you know,
going to be outward with their displeasure, and it's just
a little bit of internal frustration, just you know, dealing
with the situation. And I think something that Andrew mher
did say over the last week or so, I'm not
sure which media availability was, but that guys just need
to play loose and free and not overthink things, not

(07:04):
try too hard, because if he passes someone in the
ball and it's part of the offense and they're open,
they got to let it fly. You can't hesitate and
you and that's what's needed to help all five guys.
And I'm sure both Andrew and Pascal they're prideful guys
and they are willing to accept the bigger role. Any
basketball player would probably say, hey, I can shoot more,
I'm capable of scoring more points. I don't have to.

(07:26):
I want to do what's best for the team. But
right now they know that's what is best for the team.
So I'm not sure that they are having a problem
with having a bigger role. You do worry a little
bit over the long long run will it catch up
to them? And you know, specifically with a guy like
Andrew Demhard, how much can he guard, you know, the
best players and also have the ball in his hands
and also be asked to give you twenty points per game,

(07:48):
It might catch up to him. So the staff is
cognizant of that. They want those guys to have some help.
But at the same time, they are absolutely preparing and
planning and trying to win games. And for them to win,
they need a lot from Siakam, they need a lot
from Andrew Demhart and I'll even you know, a lump
Matherin and TJ. McConnell. Those four guys that did it
for you in that playoff run. Those are the four

(08:10):
guys that have to do it for you right now.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
And a flipping on the script that you're going to
see and you've already seen it once, but that in
the Toronto Raptors, who you know, started after Pascal Siakam
on rebuild mode and it looks like they've exbot out
of that process. I know there's going to be no RJ.
Barrett later off tonight, but they look really good so
far the season.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah, they do. And they have a specific game plan
that when the shot goes up, somebody is going to
run the other end to the other end of the
court and they're going to get a fast break opportunity.
If you're if you're a high school coach and you
want to watch a team that executes and gets some
easy baskets, you might want to watch tonight if you
have a chance, because what they do is hard to stop.
And there were a couple of plays when the Pacers

(08:53):
played the Raptors, you know, ten days ago, where I
didn't even think the Pacers we relaxing getting back, but
you know Grady one time, he immediately sprinted down the
court and there were two Pacers that just had about,
you know, two steps behind him in a perfect pass
in a layup. And in this league, when you can
get in that game, I think they had thirty three
fast breakpoints, So that's an extreme number. But if you
have about ten more than your opponent, then you're starting,

(09:17):
you know, with that ten point advantage, and those fast
break points are are gimmes in the NBA. If you
can get out there and transition, you're going to have
an opportunity. So it's always a little bit of a
yin and the yang. If those guys are running back,
maybe there's a second chance opportunity that you could get.
But I think the Pacers probably tonight, having played the
Raptors once, they're going to be cognizant of doing everything

(09:38):
they can to prevent those fast break opportunities and those
transition plays. And you're right, the Eastern Conference standings Detroit one,
Toronto two. I don't know too many people that expected that,
And it's a little bit unfortunate for the Pacers that
when those two teams are playing well, you've already had
to play them twice, so schedule has not been super easy.

(09:59):
While Pacers are down and those teams are taking advantage
of it.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
It has been a flip flopped, There's there's no question
about that, and teams like Milwaukee dealing with injuries and
that's the way that it happens. But I will say this, JJ,
I constantly remind myself of where we were around this
time a year ago, and we were non believing, we
really didn't buy it. And this went all the way

(10:25):
up to really December the ninth and that Sunday disaster
at home against Charlotte, when I think the next day
I kind of just blew up on everything.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
I know, what in the hell were we watching here?

Speaker 1 (10:35):
And then you know, once they get guys back, you
see them getting into not what they were at the
end of the year, but you kind of see things
rounding into shape. And I guess that goes to show
you just how long an NBA season is. It has
many different layers as to how a team looks compared
to right now, and how may they look, how mad

(10:56):
they might look coming up I guess toward the end
of the season.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
The paces are a perfect example of that. A year
ago ten.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
In fifteen and a bad loss to Charlotte that you
saw with your own eyes. And then everything turned around.
And one thing that does happen has happened in the
last few years with the schedule and the Emirates NBA Cup,
is if you go to Las Vegas, you're gonna be busy,
and maybe it takes a little bit out of you.
And we saw that two years ago. If you don't
you have a little bit of a time to catch

(11:24):
your breath, you're gonna have one additional game that you
don't see on your schedule right now on the road
and one at home over a stretch of roughly you know,
eight or nine days, and that's almost like an All
Star break for these guys who are used to playing,
you know, four and seven days and back to backs,
and so there is an opportunity for everyone, specifically the
guys that are hurt, maybe aaron Ne Smith to get

(11:46):
a little extra time before he needs to get back,
for Siakam and Themhart to get a little bit of
a break, and for the coaching staff to get in
the lab and work on some things that they think
need they need to see improved. And out of that break,
the pacers will have, you know, that two week stretch,
let's say towards the end of December. I think that'll
really determine kind of where this season goes and what

(12:08):
happens moving forward, not to say, you know, they may
there will be significant changes, but if you get to
the new year and you're thirteenth, fourteenth, fifteenth in the
Eastern Conference, is going to be pretty hard to make
up the ground. So I will be actively watching, you know,
the next month or so and specifically what they can
do during that break because they came out of the
break a different team a year ago, and perhaps that

(12:29):
can happen this season.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Hey Ja Jay, I'm assuming you're allowed to explain exactly
the partnership that everybody has with Channel thirteen and MEE
TV as well.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Can you explain that?

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Sure, I'm not, I'm not the expert on it that
Kristin Area is.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
But tonight's game is on you know you know what,
though he's on next.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
You want me to wait until, like Chris will like
give it absolute definition.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
I can do that, He'll go in great detail. But yes,
we are on. I think it's WLV tonight, which is
not on all the providers, but if you watch some
of the Fever games we're on there as well, and
we're happy to have our signal go over the year
to WOV for the first four or five games of
the partnership, and then Channel thirteen for a number of

(13:14):
games January on. So yes, let Chris be your expert.
But if you're not going to be still listening to
your show with Chris, you know a little bit.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
But you're you're still where we normally get you though.
Right along with that, if you've been watching.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Us up to this point, you don't have to do
anything differently. This would be if you don't have the
app or you don't have the FanDuel Sports Network and
you do have WTCHRWOV for depending on which game, you'll
get the same show. I'm not one hundred percent sure of.
I don't know if you get the pregame show on
those channels, but yes, our game tonight is on the
FanDuel Sports Network pregame postgame, just like anyone who's been watching.

(13:53):
But if you've missed us or you just don't have
the channel, you might be able to watch us on
most channels for those twelve games.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Well, I want to make sure because I gotta tell
my mom. I didn't want to have to explain to
her how to navigate stuff. So just as long as
she can turn it on, it is.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Where it is.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
Yeah, if you've been watching the games, you don't need
to tell them anything unless they want to have a
second TV or maybe something in the your family in town.
Maybe you got a guest room that has a channel
that's only hooked up to the antenna. Well, they might
be able to tune it in on that TV as well.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
Well.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Hell, and then after you you'll sign off and we'll
go right to Hogan's Heroes.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
There's nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, I don't know w ALV programming at ten thirty
on a Wednesday night, so you'll have.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
To let me know what thirty on a Wednesday night.
I believe that is. Hey, James, look that up. That's
me TV, which is channel thirteen, Like ten thirty programming
on a Wednesday night. I'm thinking that's Hogan's Heroes. I
think I'm in the ballpark with that right there.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
JJ.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Listen, we can't get him any week. You ain't get
him anymore. But I'm kind of like a TV guide
right here.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Well, you're good, But I've worked in the TV station
business and I know the as Simon desk. When you
preempt programming, there's always going to be someone upset. There's
people upset about American Idol with Fox fifty nine or
perhaps Jeopardy on Channel thirteen or Wheel of Fortune. I
hope there are no fans of hogan heros that call
in to w HR and are mad they mister Hogan's

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heroes because the Patris are on.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
So I just can't believe. I just can't see Bob Crane.
Go ahead, James, I just looked it up and it's
actually Perry Mason on a ten thirty.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Oh guys, you guys are the lead in for Perry
Mason later off the night. That's big time. From JJ
to Raymond Burr, we go. That's awesome. A my brother,
I appreciate you. Get down to business, get to work.
We'll be watching later on tonight to you and your family.

(15:58):
Have an incredible thing Thanksgiving and we'll do this again
very soon, my brother.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
That gut you.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Hope everyone listening has a great week and includes a
little baser, maybe a little high school football, little high
school basketball. Plenty of options for you this week.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
You got that right, Jemi Johnson, who you can find
me TV Channel thirteen later on today, but normally the
FanDuel Network where you get him.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
Meantime and the Andymore Automotive coup potline.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
He has also staked out in Toronto right now, getting
set for the Pacers later on tonight. I don't want
to work in a Happy Thanksgiving to our good friend
Kristen Aiy as he embarks on calling a game tonight
and of course having a Thanksgiving with he and now
his extended family, his extensive family here in Central Indiana.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
Chris, Happy Thanksgiving to you. How are you?

Speaker 4 (16:49):
Thanks so much? John?

Speaker 5 (16:50):
I just got off the phone with your favorite Terry
Denary and she said it is brutally cold, so that
when we get back at yeah one or two in
the morning tonight, it is going to be frigid. So yeah,
looking forward to nice holiday tomorrow.

Speaker 6 (17:05):
Our daughter in law.

Speaker 5 (17:06):
Emma, and our son Will and grandson Archer are hosting
over their house in Westfield, so we'll be doing that
sometime in the afternoon tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
Worst thing on the menu past or present for Thanksgiving?

Speaker 3 (17:24):
You absolutely look over and you know what is out there?
You're not eating? What is it?

Speaker 5 (17:31):
I'm pretty good at Thanksgiving. I like pretty much everything.
I mean, one of my favorites was my mom's green
bean castrole. I mean when she made that, you knew
it was a special time. I love green bean castrole.
I mean, I guess I would say I'm not a
big cranberry guy. I think everything everything else, stuffing, dressing,

(17:55):
mashed potatoes, turkey, am green bean castrole, any kind of poe.

Speaker 4 (18:01):
All of that is good.

Speaker 5 (18:02):
But I would have to say, yeah, the cranberries probably are.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
I'll eat them, but.

Speaker 4 (18:06):
They're way down on the list.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
I don't know if I'm not having the traditional meal tomorrow.
I don't know when the pilgrims landed on Plymouth Rock.
I'm not quite sure that they were thinking about salmon
and cottage cheese, were they.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
I don't think so.

Speaker 7 (18:23):
John.

Speaker 5 (18:23):
I think you might be the only one tomorrow that
is partaking in famine and cottage cheese. That just does
that does not sound like Thanksgiving?

Speaker 3 (18:34):
Oh my goodness, it is so Thanksgiving. It is.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
By the way, to James, give us an update on
the MeTV later on tonight. To make sure everybody knows
that I was accurate about what's going on. I'm sorry,
I will say myself, so you get the paces on
me TV not normally on FanDuel. You can catch them
what you normally do, but also to not on me
TV with that partnership with Channel thirteen and MeTV. Now

(19:00):
for the Pacer game tonight, they'll go right into Hogan Zeroes.
So there you go. I was right about that. I
love I love having options in life, and we have
a lot of options, even more options now, which would
be a good thing.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
Chris.

Speaker 5 (19:14):
Yeah, that's eleven games. It was just announced this week.
The first four are on WLV or MeTV, and then
the final seven of the eleven will all be on
WTHR Channel thirteen.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
After the first of the year.

Speaker 5 (19:29):
So it's a great opportunity for those fans that haven't
been able to watch, we'll be able to watch. That's
eleven games free over the year.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
TV.

Speaker 5 (19:37):
You know, I think I chatted with you. You know, even
despite you know, the tough start, the TV ratings are up,
the streaming numbers are up. People are watching and hopefully,
you know, if the other night, I thought the Pacers,
if they play like they played on Monday night, John
against a very good Detroit team, they'll win games. I

(19:58):
thought that was that was what they needed.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
To do.

Speaker 5 (20:01):
They came up a little bit short, but there I
think they're playing better. They're getting a little bit healthier.
Still not great health, but if they can do some
of the things that they did on Monday night, it'll
be good.

Speaker 7 (20:14):
Now this is a.

Speaker 5 (20:15):
Toronto team tonight, John, they've won eight straight, six straight
at home. And I was looking at this. I don't
know if you realized last year at this time, with
the same group, this team in Toronto started two and twelve,
seven and twenty six. They had a seven game and
an eleven game losing streak. And that's with Scottie Barnes

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and RJ. Barrett and Emmanuel Quickly and Pertle.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
And all that.

Speaker 5 (20:41):
So they're a team like Detroit that I think they
looked at what Indiana did last year and said, hey,
you know, why can't we do that? And that's what
they're doing right now.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
Schris Scenari, he's the voice of the Pacers. He's on
the Andy Moore Automotive Group plotline. I don't think there's
any doubt about that. And I think one of the
reasons why you're still going to get people tuning into
interested is because this team is going at it.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
I mean, they still go after it.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
They go after it at a hard, high level, which
is the expectation. But we witnessed that the other night
against the Pistons, and I think that's one of the
reasons why they can still be entertaining, because you know
that they're going to go out there and do their
best to push the limit, even if the outcome or
the result isn't what everybody ultimately wants.

Speaker 5 (21:29):
Yeah, they're you know, it's unfortunately they're just a little
under man when you look at at these teams like
Detroit and Toronto, and Toronto has been totally healthy. Now
Marj Bears not playing to night, he's out with a
spring knee, but everybody else is available is Siakam and
Mathern and nem Hart and TJ. McConnell's played really well

(21:50):
the last three games. Those guys have really played well
and it's just getting some help from some other guys.
And I think we saw that a little bit on
Monday night with Jerris Walker coming out of his swamp
a career high twenty one points and they had they
had seven guys in double figures. That's more of what
we've seen over the years, especially the last two years
with this Pacers team. They are at their best when

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they've got multiple players. Five six, seven are in double figures.
It's just tough to win when it's just Siaka, Mathern
and Nemhar. You've got to have some other guys help,
and we saw that on Monday night.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
So Christini Voice of the Pacers kinda to join us.
The pre Thanksgiving Show is the annual event. Here are
Brothers in Broad Ripple, but ninety three to five and
one oh seven five the Fan.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
Of bud Light Blue Wednesday No RJ. Barrett later on
to now.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
You mentioned the incredible turnaround for the Raptor so far
this season, which I think goes to show you exactly
what can happen in an NBA season anyway.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
But some of the guys that we don't or have.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
It often ever talked about, even by jumping off the
page at all, as far as okay, I mean maybe
making their mark right here that you can reference in
terms of being a part of the longer term future
with this group.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
Once everybody's back and healthy.

Speaker 5 (23:12):
Well, I think what we've seen is I think Jay
Huff the last few games has played well. I mean,
he's he's second in the league in block shots, right
now behind when Binyama with two per game. And I
think Jay has shown that he can shoot the three.
He shot forty one percent last year in Memphis got
off to a slow start. I think it took him

(23:33):
a while to get used to the way the Pacers
wanted to play. Their pace is much different than what
Memphis played the last couple of years with a ball
dominant point guard in John Moran. So I think you're
seeing somebody like him, you know, start to elevate his
play and play much better. And again I'm bullish on
Jeiris Walker. I just think he lost a lot of

(23:55):
confidence during those times when he wasn't shooting the ball well.
And I think Pascatiakam referenced it the other night and
I heard I heard somebody meant to this that he
only might have been Scott Agnes the field House Files.
Is that the other night, in his catch and shoot opportunities,
Jarre's only dribbled nine times, and a few of those

(24:15):
dribbles were.

Speaker 7 (24:15):
To the basket for a layup.

Speaker 5 (24:17):
And so I just think his decision making was much better,
much quicker, and that enabled him to have some confidence
shooting the ball, and again he shot forty one percent
last year in a different kind of role. They're asking
more of him right now because of the injuries Denise
Smith and Topping, and was good to see him respond
on Monday night.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
Well.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
And the thing with Walker is and when you see
him at his best, there's not a lot of thinking,
not a lot of dribbling, you know, not trying to
get into a place where he feels comfortable.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
He just plays. And what you have to do is
you got to put.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
Together games back to back to back, a succession of
games like that, because you do see it occasionally, but Chris,
you don't see it enough.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
And I think that's what concerns most.

Speaker 5 (25:04):
Yeah, I think it's a valid point. And we saw
it earlier in the year. He had a couple of
really good games against Dallas and Atlanta and then did
not back that up, and so I think this is
just a situation and his teammates trying to give him
more confidence. I think the real advantage the Pacers have
for some of these young guys is Pascal Siakam and
how he established his career here in Toronto. Remember, he

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started out in the G League and then worked his
way up, and so he's a very good voice for
a lot of these young guys, and Jers is still young,
staying in their ear, making sure they're focused, making sure,
you know, they understand what it takes, as you said, John,
to be more consistent game in game out, All.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
Right, got you later out tonight. I think it's called
me TV with Channel thirteen. But also the normal spot
is with fand Him, Pacers and the Raptors later on
this evening. Of course that game also right here on
ninety three to five and one oh seven five the
fan tip time tonight seven thirty pre game coverage right
here on the fan along with Chris and the gang

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also can be seen and heard in this case at
seven o'clock. Hey, for you and the family, have a
fantastic Thanksgiving coming up tomorrow, and we'll catch you up
coming up next week and hopefully you get a little
reason to feel feel better. And obviously everybody's looking for
more positive results, but hopefully that's the case sooner rather

(26:34):
than later.

Speaker 4 (26:35):
Chris, thank you, all right, Thanks John.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
But on the Andy Moore Automative Group podline, I'm gonna
work this in right here. I've got an exercise for
Kevin Bowen from the Fan Morning Show Weekday Morning seven
until today am he and Jeff Record and James Boyd.
It's Kevin Bowen who joins us now. So a couple
of things here. One, I'll start here. Will Notre Dame
score ten points before we end this conversation?

Speaker 7 (27:04):
That banked in three? Was you mean ten points into
the game or do you mean ten point?

Speaker 3 (27:09):
Yes? Ten point ten points for the game. I wonder
will they score?

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Will they Will they be in double figures in this
first half before we end our conversation? And yeah, the
reason why they sit on seven right now is because
that dude banked in a straight on look from three.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
That's great.

Speaker 7 (27:28):
Yeah, I'm not sure if they outscore Syracuse football right now,
Notre Named basketball versus Syracuse football might need to be
the game here.

Speaker 4 (27:35):
Pathetic.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Harrelson got him to eight, right, Harrelson just got him
to eight. Maybe he gets them to nine. So I
think we can get them to the double digit mark
by the time our conversation ends here, I think.

Speaker 7 (27:48):
So, there's nothing sadder in sports and watching your team
try to dribble against Houston's.

Speaker 4 (27:53):
It's just it's just it's pathetics.

Speaker 7 (27:55):
So yeah, nothing says Black Wednesday like watching this, man,
I might need to stop brothers in broad Ripple and
drink my sorrows away.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
You think that?

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Did Micah explain to them maybe that when you put
the ball down that Houston probably is going to go
after it a great deal?

Speaker 3 (28:10):
Was that in the pregame plan?

Speaker 7 (28:13):
I think we're at the Rhino a little late last night.

Speaker 4 (28:15):
We just blame it on that.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
I'm telling you twenty nine to nine right now with
about six forty remaining of the first half. So now
Harrelse is going Harrelson the least is going out and
right now he's trying to give Houston a dose of
their own medicine, So that part is good.

Speaker 7 (28:35):
I guess yeah, he knows some NBA scouts in the
crowd here, so ugly to say, I'm confused how these
teams drew each other. I'm like, wait, wait, how was
the number three team Houston playing there?

Speaker 1 (28:46):
Name?

Speaker 7 (28:46):
But this whole tournament's kind of wild, how it? I
mean it literally is, and I held money grab really.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
That is absolutely all that it is.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
But I will say this, watching Michigan and exaggu latter
off the night, that should be some Primetime TV at.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
Nine thirty from Vegas.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Because both of those teams, there's always funny to me, KEM,
whether or not you're a team like Michigan and Gonzaga,
you get started out so well, whether or not you're
capable of maintaining all season long. But man, you've watched
these two teams are playing at a high level in November.

Speaker 7 (29:17):
Yeah, I mean Gonzaga has been off to I mean
there's a team that's built a better I don't know
early season resume than Perdue. There's not many I would
say Gonzaga. Maybe I I feel like Arizona's off to
a perty good start. Yeah as well. So yeah, you
know I said this on Monday. I think you feel
the same way. Like tonight, I'm so used to MAUI

(29:39):
Championship night. You know, like to me when you say,
you know, Gonzaga Michigan, this great championship, Like I'm Picturinghona
Civic Center. You know, everybody crammed in there, and like
every team in our state has got a memory there.
You know, I think you want to know two. You
know Perdue. I know it wasn't played there, but they
wanted a couple of years ago I mean when both
State went on the Cinderella Run, you know. I mean

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this would have been twenty twenty five years ago with
Patrick Jackson and Tarren Smith. Notre Dame won it. Bray
was shirtless a few years ago. Heron Goad he played there,
And I just hate that, like that to me was
such a Thanksgiving like sports staple. Obviously we have the
NFL games tomorrow, but you know, the Maui tournament I
just loved and the fact that now this Veigas tournament

(30:21):
with thirteen people in the crowd is you know, being
the new thing that everybody's got to play it, which
I get. I get why teams are playing in it.
They want the nil money. But I just hate it
because I have such great memories of watching Maui on
a night like tonight.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
Hey, because they're local.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
I want to ask, how do you think they got
Lily as a sponsor for that?

Speaker 7 (30:43):
That's the way? Is Lily a player? Oh yeah, now
I'm seeing a the score table?

Speaker 3 (30:47):
Oh yeah, well oh yeah. And here's the thing. Did
you see that?

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Their hook is Lily a medicine company, That's what it is.
I mean, what can they ask me Lily for a
better damn idea.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
Than that, because I got one. I mean, what the hell?

Speaker 1 (31:04):
I mean, Look, you could say, Lily help JMV not
be a big fat ass.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
I mean, that'd be better than that, right, a medicine company.

Speaker 7 (31:11):
I did a picture in your bug all of a
sudden here at mid course. Honestly, the only thing missing
from this tournament is you, you know, before and after
picture of you.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Yeah, I mean you could say Lily helping JMV not
be a disgusting fat ass and maybe maintaining a bit
of arousal longer than usual, too, right, I mean, why
don't they should have asked me.

Speaker 7 (31:31):
That I said earlier this week when we were talking
about the old rough in the passer penalty, which I
think is the dumbest rule in sports right now, I
said on Monday. I hope he took it as a compliment.
I go, what do they expect Grover Stewart to turn
into JMV mid air once he makes the sack happen?

Speaker 1 (31:47):
I mean, come on here, heck, yes, yeah, all of
a sudden we gotta find Yeah, that's that's part of
it right there. But yeah, Lily, Lily's a sponsor of
this too. And it, and I agree with you. I
want to really hurts that battle for Atlantis. I mean, hell,
Eastern Green I.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
Think is in that. That's how bad that is.

Speaker 7 (32:06):
And that like I thought, was gonna be the new Maui,
you know, like a little bit easier of a flight,
I guess.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
And you know, I.

Speaker 7 (32:12):
Didn't love the whole whatever ballroom field to it, but
I don't know, there's just I know I'm a gonna
get off my lawn with it. But I just love
the Maui tournament. Loved that gym, you know, even the
Shamanda angle to it. I always thought was pretty cool.
And you know the fact that now and I get it,
everything is just a money grabbing college sports. It's you know,

(32:34):
they're gonna be playing football games in Saudi Arabia pretty soon.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
Just did you take money for the Nile team?

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Did you see that trophy? That trophy they win, the
winner gets some vasions. It looked like something Tony Montana
would have, like hanging from his ceiling and scarface.

Speaker 7 (32:54):
It's lord, it's got some fry festival vibes to it.
I feel like teams are kind of like, wait a minute,
should we we should make sure we have our money
here before we get back on the plane.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
It is funny. I will say this. I I like
watch Dusty I can tell you. And obviously, you know
I get the Green County love for Dusty May, but
his his team is talented and they do go at
it hard and I can't wait to watch them match
up with with Gonzaga. But because Gonzaga ended up having

(33:29):
to to beat what was it who'd they beat last
night by about nine thousand points, So that's how they
advanced at tennis, and that you got to find a
better way, I think.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
To find a championship. Don't you with this? Then the
whole point that's weird.

Speaker 7 (33:44):
I mean, yeah, just bracket it up. I'm not asking
you to, you know whatever, get some net rankings going,
and you know everybody just loves a nice, you know,
preseason bracket. I mean, that's exactly what the what the
Maui tournament is. It's not the you know, the most
perfect science of an NCAA tournament selection committee. I'm not
asking you, but hell, we all in college fastball is

(34:08):
the sport for brackets. Throw eight sixteen teams together, and
I mean last night, like these teams didn't even know
who they were playing until like midnight last night, which
is just hilarious.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
It's pretty funny.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
You like the TNT coverage, the new you know with
with Weber and Rose and and uh what all those?

Speaker 3 (34:30):
Do you like the TNT covers? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (34:34):
Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. I haven't watched too much
of the old pregame half coverage, so uh. But the
little snippets that I've caught of. And I'm not a.

Speaker 4 (34:43):
Huge huge fan.

Speaker 7 (34:43):
I know, is Pearl good on TV? But some strikes
me he would be halfway decent on TV.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
Well, I think I think he was.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
I think he was somewhat dying watching his old team
get in his son's team get there by about thirty.
That was a tough one for him to do. But
you have the Michigan guys are excited because they're saying we.
I didn't know that Chris Weber thought Michigan was we anymore.
I guess he's back to them us and we now
there was a time when it wasn't us and we
for him.

Speaker 7 (35:09):
Wasn't it good on Dusty Man the whole I mean,
to the game today's society. If he's got weber back,
that's that's a big time.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
US and we Kevin Bowen's on the Andy Moore Automotive
Group hootline. I should ask you what you thought about
you last night too. I mean there's a lot of
things that you have to do better. I mean, you
can't go up you know, sixteen and then give that
all back in a big hurry as they did and
turn it over. They had a moment in that first
half near the end where they were turning it over
at a heavy clip, but otherwise, I mean talking about

(35:43):
engaged defensively, they did do that against a team that
was averaging over ninety three points per game and then
held down a dude that was averaging twenty eight points
a game and leading the nation and PJ Haggerty. So
I think there's a lot more to like than dislike
about what they did last night.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
I don't know what.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Ultimately that's going to do for your tournament resume when
that is a thing or a deal. But you know,
last night, A thought was a good night for IU basketball,
no doubt.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (36:09):
And I think, you know, honestly, them building those leads
in each half differently, I think was key for him.
You know, I mean they shot. I mean they look
like you at the hyper you know how many threes
they shot that opening segment, and you know that's kind
of them, or at least the thought is with this team,
you're gonna live by the three, died by the three.
But then you know, when Kansas State made that run

(36:29):
to then created a game there for a little bit,
I'm kind of curious, like, oh boy, you know, how
was the rest of it gonna play out? And they
honestly then rebuilt the lead via defense and via driving
and get into the line, which you know, again I
don't think that. I mean, Darren the reason I think
has been pretty honest, like those are some question marks
he has about the team. And you know, there was
one moment there early second half, I want to say,

(36:51):
just a five minutes probably end of the second half,
where Tucker Freeze makes his first basket and I look
at the score and they're up seventeen. And you know, again,
when you have a team where you're leading score the
quality opponent doesn't score for the first twenty five minutes
and you're up fifteen, seventeen, whatever it was, that's obviously something.
But you have to like as well and the end,

(37:11):
right kid, I mean the Kenny Powers look alike. I
mean he's just he's exactly what every season ticket member
at a simply haul once, you know, just old school
throwback on the floor doing it, you know, not the
prettiest looking, necessarily jump shot, not not going to be
scoring a ton, but just makes so many little plays

(37:32):
happen for him. And I thought he was outstanding my sight,
and a big reason why PJ. Haggarty didn't didn't go off.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
He's like Dane five for a mustache with a pube mustache.

Speaker 7 (37:44):
Like you like, you like what Dane's working with up
top or you like, what what what Kenny Power?

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Oh, Danes not work anything like that up top. I
don't even know if he could get that pube mustache going.
But I think you kind of described Dane and how
you describe been right and how certainly he plays.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
But now I would agree with you that is good.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
Hey, are you in the club like me that thinks
that this whole fibula thing is a little worse than
what we're being told because we know this to be true.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
It's not like the Colts.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
Have ever been completely transparent about injuries. Certainly injuries and
situations with quarterbacks. But he looked like he was compromised
more than just a little bit on Sunday, did he not.
That's not the reason why they lost, But there were
a couple of times he kind of wondered if indeed
that thing was a lot worse than it was.

Speaker 7 (38:33):
Yeah, even for change stake. And they've been pretty vague
when it comes to this situation, and you know, so
you know, when when this stuff happens, I tend to
just go off of Okay, let's off of actions. You know,
the words aren't going to lead us aywhere so what
are the actions? As you said, there were I would
say a couple of moments on Sunday where I'm like, well,
that that didn't look like that honestly looked like somebody

(38:54):
you know, leaving Brothers tonight walking over to to the
red room when when he was trying to scramble there
versus you know how he has looked so you know Germany,
he had you know, several big time scrambles in that game.
And then the other thing I would point to as
well of just you know, maybe the Colts aren't as

(39:15):
worried as you know going into that game, they could
have brought Brett Ripping up from the practice squat for
a third quarterback, and you know, when they didn't do that,
that kind of led me to believe, all right, they
at least feel somewhat decent about Daniel Jones and an
injury and all that. So that's where you know, I

(39:35):
kind of go on both sides of it, but you know,
it still sounds a little odd to me.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
Yeah, me too. Now, are you in major concern zone?
And I'm assuming you're on board with me?

Speaker 1 (39:48):
Must win Sunday and then we're gonna go ahead and
fire this thing up for Jacksonville the week after considering
these guys in your rear view, right back to back
must wins.

Speaker 7 (40:00):
Yeah, I mean, certainly these are massive. Yeah, you know,
I don't want to steal your thunder and and you know,
climb into the must win territory. But I mean it's
about as big as you're gonna get within the division
for you know, late November, early December, and you know,
with how the standings are right now, I'd argue i'd

(40:21):
probably a little bit more worried about Houston than am Jacksonville.
But you know, it's Jacksonville that's the game closer to you.
I think the home element of Sunday leads me to
think that that is the bigger game, just because if
you are to drop this, you will have lost three
or four the one win will have been an overtime,
and then you're going on the road, you know again,

(40:43):
at Jacksonville, at Seattle the next two weeks, and Buckner
is you know, still on injured reserve. So yeah, there
is just some heightened urgency. We're kind of talking about
a little bit on the show this morning. You know, obviously,
if you look at the Shane sty in three years,
you know, Houston week eighteen, the first year speaks herself.

(41:04):
It is a win and get in now. Granted that
is still kind of the honeymoon period of it's year one.
It's garterer, Minshew. Expectations, aren't you know, grand by any means?
You know last year you you had the Denver game
that was obviously a big game. But this one I
just feel is a little different to avoid of oh boy,
it's flipping away, you know a little bit of here
we go again, you know again after Sunday. It's too

(41:27):
straight on the road after that. So yeah, I think
it is a massive just absolutely massive, and as is
next week at Jacksonville as well.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
Hey, Ken, might the right side of the Colts offensive
line be the biggest source spot biggest issue right now?

Speaker 7 (41:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (41:49):
I mean I don't know.

Speaker 7 (41:51):
Part of me thinks we can't eliminate the left tackle either.
I mean, I get that you have Bernard Ryman on
islands a lot, but I think that group and I
get what you're saying with Braidon Smith and Gonzalveez, but
you know, I also feel like there's been some been
some leakage on the on the blind side there. Uh,
and you know when you face Houston, I mean, it's

(42:12):
the best defensive been due in the entire league. So
with what Daniel Hunter, will Anderson Junr can do, they
can they can wreck a game. They can do what TJ.
Watt you know, did to Bradon Smith a few weeks back.
So that's probably the biggest key on Sunday, like it'd be.
I really don't expect Nico Collins to have a typical
Nico Collins Colts game. I think that would be severely
disappointing considering everything you have a corner, but I think

(42:36):
it's just paramount that they are not making the type
of you know, plays they either made against Buffalo on
Thursday night last week. That would be Anderson Jr. And
Hunter or again making those plays that we saw. I
mean that that Watt play single handily changed that game.
And these guys have the capability to do that. So, Yeah,

(42:57):
the Colts tackles I think I would point to and
how you decide to help and all of that. Uh,
probably the biggest storyline of this game.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
If not the biggest problem being the tackles. As your
reference in type game situations, is Shane Stike in the
biggest problem?

Speaker 7 (43:17):
Yeah, I I mean I I think it's a little
unfair to maybe label him flat out as that. I mean,
there's a lot of good that he is done and
doing it.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
Hey keV, let me love me to rephrase, is Shane
Styke and good when things are easy, But when things
get a little rocky, a little haywire, a little difficult,
maybe not so good in decision making, whether it's decision
making or clock management.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
Is that fair to say?

Speaker 7 (43:44):
Yeah, I think that's probably a better way I would
I would put it. I you know, in some critical moments,
it's gotten really head scratching for me, and I'll point
to you know, obviously Sunday with you know, kind of
getting away from Taylor to degree what they did? You know,
you point, let's just bring up the two games I
brought up earlier Denver last year, monumental game, huge point

(44:05):
in the season, and you dial up a trick play
of Anthony Richardson and Ady Mitchell. It's like, wait, you're
going to trust those two players in such a big play.
And then you go back to that you know that
twenty eighteen era a Week eighteen, twenty twenty three game
when you know you threw the ball to Tyler Goodson
on the on the fourth and one. It's just a

(44:25):
little bit of two kind of Tuesday and Wednesday. Oh
you know this looked good on the white board. Let's
draw it up here and not enough. Hey, let's think
players here, Let's think guys we trust here, you know,
especially again in these critical fourth quarter you know road
moments where you know you got to go down swinging

(44:46):
with the guys that that that got you there. So
that's what I would point you again. You know, it's
a team that you know, when you look at it
right now, they've you know obviously lead the league in
point or second in the league in points, Like I
can't act like inscitment is this glaring issue. But you know,
to your point when you know the pressure is kind
of risen up a few times and you get into
these critical late game moments, I do feel like there's

(45:08):
been some big time questions you've had there.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
Hey, which is.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
More problematic having a bucket game on a Friday night
or a championship game where it may not be beneficial
for either?

Speaker 7 (45:21):
Yeah, that is a great question. Yeah, College of all
gotta do something about the conference championship games. I mean
there is I get from a historical standpoint, Indiana football
is going to care and should care, and the fan
base obviously should. But if you're Io State fan, while
you don't care one bit about Saturday night, I mean,

(45:43):
there's just no care whatsoever. All you're doing is risking injury.
I mean, hell, they didn't even go to the game
last year and they won it all. And I mean
Oregon and Penn State both were outspoken about having to
play in that game, and you know, it not really
mattering whatsoever. So you know, I get there are some
conference championships where like Okay, maybe it could. You know,

(46:05):
the ACC was one of those last year where you know,
you could have a similar situation maybe in the Big
twelve this year where it's it's a little bit more
of like, oh, you know there is something at play here,
but you know, next Saturday night inside of Lucas Oil Stadium,
it's not going to be that. And it's a shame.
I mean, you and me both are in the same boat.

(46:26):
You want to celebrate events here and you want them
to be as big as possible, but there's just not
a lot to play for. And again, the history of
the Indiana football program will lead to something. But you know,
if you really are trying to win a national title,
there's no difference between the one seed and the three seed.
You know, It's not like there's a neutral sight game

(46:48):
in Chicago where a bunch of whatever Indiana fans would
drive to. We're talking what Rose Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Peach Bowl,
and Orange Bowl, I want to say, are the four
neutral fights. There's not a big difference to Indiana plane
in any of those sits from a travel standpoint. So yeah,
I mean I don't love either, to be honest with you,
but you need the Conference sationships.

Speaker 4 (47:10):
To meet a little bit more.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
Well, you know, IU fans are going to be fired up,
there's no doubt about that. But I agree with you.
We're going to Ohio State. So I haven't looked at
this is what has to happen. For example, for Ohio
State to lose, if they lose to Michigan this weekend,
is there a chance they don't go to Indy the

(47:32):
week after that? I mean, we know the situation with
IU and they go to Purduing Bucket game on Friday,
But what's the dynamic there with Ohio State?

Speaker 7 (47:39):
You know, well, I think if Michigan wins, they're in right,
because that would be two teams with one loss. Michigan
has two losses right now. Michigan's two losses are the
USC and then to Oklahoma, which obviously Oklahoma's not in
the Big Ten. So yeah, I would assume Michigan would
then go, they would have one loss, and they would
have the head to head over Ohio State. I thought

(48:00):
I saw somewhere like for Indiana not to go, it
would take like a three or four game parlay. I mean,
obviously they're not going to lose to Purdue, but yeah,
I would say Michigan. Yeah, if Michigan wins, you're looking
at Michigan Indiana. Now, now that's a little different. I
mean that then I would think Michigan. I don't think
a Michigan win over Ohio State. Maybe it would maybe

(48:21):
it would vault them all the way up into the playoffs.
But if it wouldn't, then Michigan's playing for something. Then
Michigan's on the outside saying, hey, you know, we need
to play for the automatic berth. But for Indiana, you win. Basically,
if as long as Indiana wins Friday night, they are
locked into a top four seed, which means there's a
buy and that's it. I mean, that's that's all from

(48:42):
a playoff standpoint. That could help you, you know, playoff wise,
because you know, last year we saw the number one
overall seed got the worst draw. I mean, Oregon got
the worst draw out of it and it didn't matter
that they got to pick the Rose Bowl as their
site or the Big ten goes to the Rose Bowl.
I mean, Ohio State came out there and we saw
how that one played out.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
So Jeremiah, love you you believe to be the Heisman
Trophy winner is that true.

Speaker 7 (49:08):
Yes, best player in college football. Yeah, I think it's uh, yeah,
I think it's pretty clear. I do think we were
talking about earlier today. I do think it's a down
year overall for the award. I don't think we have
like a great, great candidate like we usually do. Probably
statistically that would back that up.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Is why is that not like the NFL MVP, where
it's got to basically be a quarterback and you gotta
work so much harder.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
Why is that?

Speaker 7 (49:36):
Well, I think the Heisman has got a quarterback bias too,
if not to the extent of the NFL MVP. But
you know, last year was Hunter, right, and then I
think we've only had one other running back maybe in
the last decade plus. So yeah, I don't I don't know.
Maybe college football is just a little different where a

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running back can I don't know, Gardner a little bit
more of that attention. But I still think I mean
both those awards, Heisman and MVP. Now, maybe people truly
believe in like the MVP acronym, you know, where it's
like most valuable player. Maybe people look at the Heisman
as a little bit more of the most outstanding player,

(50:17):
and whether it's Reggie Bush or Eddie George or you know,
obviously herschel Walker. You know, going back a little bit,
you know, maybe then it's a little bit more of
a most Outstanding Player. But I think loves the best
player of college football. I mean, I know I'm heavily,
heavily biased. I'm not sitting here acting like i'm not.
But I think from an individual talent standpoint, a dude

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that's pretty much splitting carries splitting reps and to still
put up the numbers in the highlights that he's put up,
I think is deserving of the award.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
Not Kevin Bonen right there pissing off everybody that's an
AYU football fan.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
Well done, keV.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Hey, by the way, we're at the annual spot here
before Thanksgiving the night before and Broad of Brothers, and
I'm assuming back in the day and this is Was
there ever a time when there was a previous to
Maddie moment when you tied to take home a little
bit of strange out of Broad Ripple the night before Thanksgiving?

Speaker 7 (51:16):
Oh man, it is. Ah, It's an annual Wednesday Thanksgiving
combo between you and I. You throw out there as
far as far as you can yeah, you know, nothing
like a two and a half week old. I really
hope Mattie's listening right now and she can hear me
have to reminisce about a black Wednesday. Definitely had a
great time or two or three there in my uh

(51:38):
in my history, I would say, perhaps, and and at
Tempter or two back in the day, and and probably
like Notre Dame here in the first half against Houston. Uh,
it didn't go too well for me there, But that's
a uh, that's a hell of an establishment I've got.
I mean literally when I heard that you were there,
I started sweating when I heard the heard the red

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on air, just thinking back to my my Wednesday to Thanksgiving.
So God speed to everybody out there. I mean, I
can picture, you know, walking to Kasma and thinking that
the roof was going to give in there, you know,
back door rock Lobster, here in the Siren, Oh yeah,
all of it.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
Do you ever pee in a sink here in broad
Ruppol back in the day or was that just the
girls that did that?

Speaker 3 (52:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (52:24):
I don't think so. I never remember the lines being
me either. That that bad. I'm sure that now, you know,
I'm sure I pulled a McAfee in an alleyway and probably.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
I've never had stage keV.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
I've never enclosing here, never had stage fright as much
as I had when I was trying to urinate next
to a girl that was urinating in the sink and
the man's bathroom back of the day here. I thought, Man,
there's I'm not going to squeeze out of drop here.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
There's no way.

Speaker 7 (52:53):
I think that would lead to a stone cold Let
me go back outside and I'll try to pee again
in about fifteen minutes.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Yeah, it was tough, hey, keV, you and the family
shout out to Nelly celebrating that first Thanksgiving with you
and the Bowen Klan. But you guys have a great
time and we'll catch you. I'll catch you coming up
on Sunday morning, right rolling in to Lucas Wall Stadium.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
We'll do that on the right to kick off.

Speaker 7 (53:18):
Okay, brother nine in Sunday, John, Happy Thanksgiving and enjoy
the hell out of brothers.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
But on the Andy morro Lott Motive Group potline, he
is joining us now. I don't know if Thanksgiving and
the holidays and the game last night in a weird
ass bucket game on Friday, compromises a visit to our
table for me and our next guest, along with his wife, Susie.
Don Fisher joins us I'm assuming we're going to be

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compromised this week.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
Right the way things are going.

Speaker 6 (53:50):
I don't think there's any question about that. We will
be compromised on Friday, and we will not be there.
We will not be at our table.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
I tell you, I have such a great time. Thank
you for inviting me. I love going with you guys.
It is the highlight of every week when you guys
invite me down there.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
It's great.

Speaker 6 (54:12):
You just don't set the bar very higher. John, Well,
I know you go.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Well, I call this I call this guy on the radio,
and he drinks a lot of beer and watches us eat,
and that's about what happens.

Speaker 4 (54:30):
Well, we do have a good time, no doubt about that.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
No, No, we do. We definitely do. I thought last
night was a good time.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
It was weird, right, because you get up sixteen, you
lose a lead, and then you regain that lead once again.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
But the thing I thought that was.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
Hanging around the entirety of the time was a high
level of defensive intensity and to me, that was good
and that's something that's something that will play even.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
When your offense may not be humming it of them
moments in the game.

Speaker 6 (55:02):
Well, that's key, John, if you can play defense as
they have so far this year for the most part,
if you think about even the last two ballgames prior
to last night, that was not great offensive performances in
either of those ballgames, even though the Lindenwood game was
a twenty point victory, but it just didn't feel like

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it was the kind of the normal Indiana offense in
those two ballgames. And last night they kind of got
off to a really good start initially and then kind
of faded a little bit in the latter stages the
first half, and then they just in the second half,
they just kept the ball out of the Kansas State
player's hands in the sense of them being able to

(55:44):
take threes when they wanted to. It was just a
whole second half performance of defense that I think initiated
Indiana's easy, pretty easy win over a Kansas State team.
It was averaging ninety three points of ballgames. So when
you look at what Indiana has been doing defensively, I
think maybe that is the one thing they could hang
their hat on, and they should hang their hat on

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all season long, because they're gonna be nights when you
just don't shoot it as well as you'd like, and
if you can hang in there defensively, you give yourself
a chance.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
I don't historically remember Darren Devrees having great defensive teams.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
Maybe I'm missing something here. I don't know if you've
looked that up or not. One year it was Virginia.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
But you know, while he was Drake, I thought he
was more certainly renowned for bringing an offensive look that
was really good to the table here. But his defensive
prowess and what he has these guys doing and the
thing that stands out to me is more so don
than anything else, is their activity.

Speaker 4 (56:43):
Right, Yeah, there's no doubt.

Speaker 6 (56:45):
And think about last night and the performance that you
saw from Connor enright when you think about what that
guy does on the floor and think, this is the
other thing he was with Darren Devrees at Drake when
when coach was there and didn't follow him to West Virginia,

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but he came to Indiana after playing a year at
DePaul up in Chicago. And that guy is just an
absolute pest I mean, he is just one of those
guys you want to have him on your team, you
don't want to have to play against him.

Speaker 4 (57:21):
And that's how that's just how.

Speaker 6 (57:23):
Hard he plays, with the energy that he plays with,
how he goes after things defensively, and the players after the.

Speaker 4 (57:31):
Ball game were saying that, you know he.

Speaker 6 (57:33):
Was He started talking about playing against the top score
of Haggarty for Kansas State, who was averaging twenty eight
points a ballgame.

Speaker 4 (57:44):
Here's another scam call. I'm hanging up on that one anyway,
the twenty.

Speaker 6 (57:52):
The twenty eight points that Haggarty was averaging going into
that ballgame last night, and he was determined that guy
was going to get nowhere close to his average. And
he did, and he had sixteen points, six in the
first half, ten in the second half. But it was
Condor Enwright who led the spark defensively for this ball
club last evening. And I think his energy and how

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hard he plays, I think it carries over to the
rest of the team. And if he stays out of
foul trouble, you'll see that every single night. If he
doesn't stay out of foul trouble, then then he's sitting
on the bench too long because he can really spearhead
of defense.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
I love how you described en Right in the same light,
but without the few mustachees you might dangne find right there.
That was a nice reference you were making without making it.

Speaker 4 (58:42):
Yeah, yeah, there's no doubt.

Speaker 6 (58:43):
I mean, like I say, you know, there are guys
that you love to play with and love that you
play hate to play against, and Condor Enwright's one of
those guys that if he's on your team, you love him.
If he's not on your team, you hate him. So
that's just the way it is.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
Oh you said play with and not hang out with.
I got you, now, I understand. So yeah, that's a
little bit different.

Speaker 4 (59:07):
You got that right.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
Oh man, don't finish your voice of the Hoosiers on
the Anymore Automotive Group Hotline.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
I'm going to go ahead and move on.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
To football because we talked a little bit about this
last week.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
This Friday bucket thing.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Is it as weird to you as it is to
everybody else in the world right now? I mean, all
it matters is you win and you move on and
we know what happens after that. But the Friday night
weirdness of the Bucket game? Is it good bad? Now
you feel about it?

Speaker 6 (59:37):
Well, you know, I don't like Friday night games because
I've always felt like Friday nights belonged to high schools,
and I still feel that way about it, whether it's
football or basketball. But you know, it's a different world
we live in. I'm an old man, so I'm crotching
you and don't like a lot of the stuff that's
new about it. But if you don't, if you don't adapt,

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you're probably not going to be around very long.

Speaker 4 (01:00:02):
And obviously you've got to do that.

Speaker 6 (01:00:04):
In my case, I think I look at it as
a positive in this way of John, I think this
is really a big ballgame in the sense that it's
one of the few Friday night games around the country,
and it's probably one that will be watched just because
it's such a big rivalry and to see whether or
not Purdue can pull off something that would be a
miracle in a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
Of people's eyes.

Speaker 6 (01:00:26):
But nevertheless, this is a rivalry that has belonged to
Purdue most of these years. Over the years, Indiana has
a decidedly poor record against the Purdue Boilermakers, and when
you go to West Lofiet to play, it becomes even
more difficult of a challenge. So I'm interested to see
this ballgame from that perspective alone. And despite the fact

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that it's on a Friday night, it'll be under the lights,
which will be the first time this year that I
think that that would be the second time because they
did play any Unita State under the lights too, But
to rarity, when these two teams play on a Friday night,
I think just the second time in the history.

Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
For the Bucket Game.

Speaker 6 (01:01:05):
So anyway, long story short, I don't mind it. It's
going to be on NBC Television, which is national TV,
so you can see at any place in the country.
And I know who's your nation is going to love
that because there are a million loves out there that
love to see Indiana play when they get the opportunity,
and this is an opportunity for all those people that
don't live around here.

Speaker 4 (01:01:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
I was talking about this with Kevin Bowen a little
bit earlier too. Don Fisherfore, the voice of the Hoosiers,
joins us and we'll get to those that are going
to be available for the Bucket Game coming up on
Friday in a second.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
But do you think that the way that you look
at things, you know, with the playoff?

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Now, does that make And I don't think it is
for IU because this is such a new at this
level thing.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
Everybody's excited about it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
But like for IU, or as for ohiose date, you
kind of wonder where and then the ultimately ver IU
as well, where the meeting for a championship game is?
And I guess how these things and again this is
going to be new for IU, but how these things
lose their meaning with the whole playoff situation?

Speaker 4 (01:02:09):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
And I know we've never had this conversation before because
we've never really had a reason to have it as
we do right now.

Speaker 6 (01:02:17):
No, you're right, John, we haven't had this conversation before,
nor have we even thought about it, to be quite hoten, But.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
It feels good.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
It feels damn good, to be honest with me, don
It feels really good to have it.

Speaker 6 (01:02:29):
Absolutely, and there's no question it's exciting to be a
part of this. I mean, what Kurt Signetti has done
in Indiana the last two years, it's been unprecedented. And
when we look at this Indiana football team and the
opportunity that they have, and you know most people now
at this point know about Kurt Signetti. They know about

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his philosophy, and especially the Who's the people that follow
the Who's Your Nation and who follow Indiana football, they
know how he thinks and how he goes about his business,
how serious he is about it, how focus he wants
his teams to be, and how they overlook nobody. And
they play that way and virtually every game that they play,

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they go out there and if they're more talented or
a better team than the other team they're facing, they
usually kick their butt badly. And if they're not as talented,
or if they have a ball club that's right there
equal with them in that talent area, they find a
way to stay with them. And so far that's happened
this year. This team has played a much tougher schedule

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than they did a year ago, and all these ballgames
that were circled on everybody's calendar that were going to
be real challenges. They may have been a challenge, but
Indiana met that challenge and won that challenge. And that's
what excites I think that Who's Your Nation more than
anything now because this schedule was not as easy as
it was a year ago, and Indiana has been able

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to go through this whole schedule and do what they
had to do to win those ballgames. And now they
find themselves in a position they've never been in before
because they'll be in the college football playoff probably winner
lose this ball game against Purdue. I don't think they're
going to lose it, but it's possible, and there's no
question that I think this team will be ready to

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play as if that is a possibility.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
We should give a shout out to to Colson Montgomery,
the rookie shortstop of the Chicago White Sox of South
Ridge High School, who is an up and coming superstar
Major League Baseball. I was rocking in the Heisman Oza
T shirt at Assembly Hall last night.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
I don't know I was noticed that or not. That
was pretty cool.

Speaker 6 (01:04:34):
Yeah, it was cool, and I did notice it because well,
it was during a commercial break that they announced this
young man, and obviously he pulled out that T shirt
and that got everybody excited. So yeah, it was pretty
cool to see him, and you'd love to see that.
That's another Indiana kid that has gotten success and obviously
is a really terrific player, and when he comes to

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an Indiana basketball game like that night. You know that
he's going to get introduced, and I think he enjoyed
that part of it as well.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
And mentioning Mendoza for a moment tick him out of
this question. As an answer, don if you would, besides
the quarterback position this season, what does most impress you?

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
What?

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
I don't know if we want to go, what player,
what position has most impressed you as to why this
team finds itself in the position that it is going
into the Bucket game on Friday night. And by the way,
hey Donald, I just got a scam phone call, tore
I just got a scam phone call to.

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
I'm not going to answer this either, trust me.

Speaker 4 (01:05:38):
But my phone rings here. It's not my cell phone.

Speaker 6 (01:05:41):
I never answered anymore unless I know the number that's
calling me, You know what I mean. And I get
so many fun I get a million calls a day.
It seems like, I mean, it's just ridiculous. And I bled,
I blacked as many as I can. My phone takes
about two hundred and fifty black calls. It's been loaded
for the last year now, so well, my mom.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
Talks to them all, so I have to hear about
that every my mom talks to every one of them,
all of them.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
Well, this was a.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
Nice young man that called me about well my health
provider and where I should change.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
And I'm going, oh my gosh, so.

Speaker 4 (01:06:17):
Well, trust me when I tell you this.

Speaker 6 (01:06:19):
I started, I did that for a while, and then
I realized, what are you doing? Why are you answering
any post call? You don't see a name on there
that you're recognized, You know what I mean? Exactly exactly,
so at any rate, yeah, yeah, what was your question again?

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
It was what what?

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
What?

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
What position or players most impressed you outside of the
obvious in Fernando Mendoza quarterback for all.

Speaker 4 (01:06:42):
You this season?

Speaker 6 (01:06:44):
Well, and I knew the wide receiving core was going
to be deep, and I knew that group was going
to be special, and they have been here we go again.

Speaker 4 (01:06:55):
At any rate, I knew that group was going to
be special.

Speaker 6 (01:06:57):
And uh, in my mind, probably the surprise to me
of all the positions on the field is the defensive line.
And I question whether the interior of the defensive line
was going to be anything close to what we saw
a year ago. And the truth of the matter is,
these guys have been every bit as good interior wise

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as they were a year ago.

Speaker 4 (01:07:20):
And CJ.

Speaker 6 (01:07:20):
West was a guy I thought they would have a
real difficult time replacing, and yet they have done a
great job. Tyreek Tucker has done a really nice job.
Wheeler kids done a really nice job. They've had two
or three different guys in that defensive line, and Mary
Olandino as a sophomore, played quite a bit last year

(01:07:41):
as a freshman. He has really impressed me. This defensive
line has played much better than I anticipated that they
would after watching springball and then watching in the fall,
because I thought it still looked like it wasn't going
to be quite as good as disruptive as it was
a last year. And I'll tell you, I think that
area has been a real surprise in some respects. And

(01:08:04):
I don't know it's I don't think it's real deep
as far as you know, a lot of talent there
behind those guys, but those guys have played really well.
And even though Mikyle Mikyle Kamara has not had the
sack kind of opportunities this year that he had a
year ago, he has been one of the most disruptive

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defensive ends in the country. In quarterback pressures this year.
I think he's in the top five or six in
the country at pressure and quarterbacks. So he has made
a lot of things disrupted with his play, and he
hasn't gotten much notoriety out of it because he hasn't
made a lot of sacks. But I just think that
that I think the defensive line has surprised me, probably

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more than any other.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
Kamara and Sarat good to go coming up on Friday.

Speaker 7 (01:08:51):
Correct, yes they are.

Speaker 6 (01:08:53):
They're both coached that on Monday in his press conference
that both those guys would start. So Surat's back after
I think missing three games. I think he missed three
games in total, and Kamara didn't miss any, but he
did get banged up a little bit in that Wisconsin
ball game.

Speaker 4 (01:09:10):
But he is ready to go tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
I think that, Yeah, you've definitely noticed there At not
being out there, because I mean, as good as Omar
Cooper has been, there's no doubt about that. I mean,
so At is a go to performer, and when you
miss something like that, I think that that oftentimes it
shows up, and I think most recently it's shown up
for all his offense.

Speaker 6 (01:09:34):
Well, and I have to disagree with you a little
bit there, John, because Charlie Becker's come and come in
there and.

Speaker 4 (01:09:41):
Played really great football.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
There's no doubt that wide receiver.

Speaker 6 (01:09:45):
Spot as a sophomore, and he basically is the guy
that took Elijah's place, and I think he's held that
spot really, really well.

Speaker 4 (01:09:52):
And e J.

Speaker 6 (01:09:53):
Williams is kind of the unsung guy of the starter
or wide receivers, and EJ has played really well and
he's probably picked up as many down and out, first
down passes from Fernando Mendoza as anybody this year. You know,
passes that give you that five or six yard play
where now you're not worried about second down and nine
you're worried about you're not even worried about second or

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third down and four or something like that because they've
thrown a lot to him and those sideline pros that
keep the you know, the chains moving and helped the
change move. So I just think the wide receiving corps
is in total, along with the offensive line this year,
those two positions have been as strong as anybody on
the field.

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
I would agree with that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
How do you think that Becker gets utilized with Surat
in his return?

Speaker 6 (01:10:42):
Well, we'll have to wait and see, but I don't
think there's any doubt that they will have no fear
of putting him in the ballgame.

Speaker 4 (01:10:48):
Because last year he was.

Speaker 6 (01:10:49):
A freshman, he got very little playing time, but he
did score touchdown last year. I wouldn't I'd venture to
say they didn't throw the ball to him ten times
last season. This year when he got the opportunity, and
he was playing before Serrat came down with an injury,
but he was getting more opportunities this year than he
had last season. And then when he took over for Elijah,

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he was spectacular in the Penn State ball game. Of course,
everybody knows what the kind of catches he made in
that one, but he did it prior to that as well.
Every time he had an opportunity, he took advantage of it.
So I just think this is a really good football team.
I think it's as good as we've ever seen in Indiana,
and they've proven that with their record and who they've

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played against and who they beat.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
Oh man, what a fun season this has been and
continues to be. Now, what do you got going on
for Thanksgiving? You got big plans leading up to that
Friday bucket game.

Speaker 6 (01:11:47):
Well, and we definitely will go to Scott's, one of
my sons. Scott's always been the guy that takes care
of Thanksgiving, because my wife and I take care of Christmas.
We have her family here on one day at Christmas,
and my family here day on Christmas, Christmas even Christmas
Day are loaded here at our house. And then of
course on Thanksgiving, Scott takes over. He loves to grill

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a turkey on the grill outside, So that's.

Speaker 4 (01:12:11):
We go up to his place up in.

Speaker 6 (01:12:15):
Oh, goodness, gracious me, Broad Ripple. He lives up in
Broad Ripples.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
So, oh, I'll tell you.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
Maybe I thought maybe he takes you to the village
in down in Ellisville.

Speaker 4 (01:12:24):
No, no, well he could, but he doesn't know.

Speaker 6 (01:12:31):
They still have their home up in Broad Ripple and
his wife still teaches at Orchard and and uh and
so they go back and forth between because they got
a place down in Lake Lemon with Scott stays most
of the time there when he's teaching and coaching.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
Oh, that's that's nice right there. So I'm in Broad
Ripple right now, I'm not too far from a live
Probably that.

Speaker 6 (01:12:54):
Is that's definitely true. That's definitely true. Do you know
where Billy Lynch used to live high school on Evanston?

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
Yeah, yeah, I do know what that is. Yeah, that
is not at all too far from where I'm sitting right.

Speaker 4 (01:13:09):
Yeah, well, they live in that neighborhood up there.

Speaker 6 (01:13:12):
I'm not giving you an address just so people don't.

Speaker 4 (01:13:18):
But they live in that neighborhood up there.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
Yes, Oh yeah, it's that's outstanding.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
We'll have a great Thanksgiving with you and the fam,
and then whenever we get some time once again, we'll uh,
we'll hang out together at our table. And for one,
I'm really excited. You know, obviously you still have you
still want to win off the championship game. The thought
of that in NB with IU fans is incredibly exciting

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to me.

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
That's awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:13:49):
Oh it is, There's no question about it.

Speaker 6 (01:13:52):
It's they got to get past Purdue, though, and try
not to look ahead. Fans fans can look ahead, but
players and coaches they can. And I take more of
the mindset of the coaches that I do the fan taste.

Speaker 4 (01:14:04):
To be honest about it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
I can't I can't even imagine how much of a
nut punch that would be Don if that would be
the reason why you wouldn't go so oh my god.

Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
So yeah, I don't even.

Speaker 4 (01:14:20):
Want to think about that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:21):
John.

Speaker 4 (01:14:21):
You had to bring that up, didn't you.

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
I know it, well you kind of did before me.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
All Right, Hey, have a great Thanksgiving and we'll see
what's happening next week with you to Don.

Speaker 6 (01:14:34):
Thank you very much, all right, Bob, let's see you bye.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
Mike Chappell of CBS four and Fox with you. Don
is on the anymore on the Motive Group potline right now. Well,
happy pre Thanksgiving to you, Mike, and I guess I'll
start with this limited and participation fibulous situation. Quarterback Daniel
Jones is, did we see that affect his game on

(01:15:01):
Sunday in Kansas City? And then what about the future,
especially Sunday against the Texans.

Speaker 8 (01:15:07):
Yeah, we need to get used to this limited thing
at least once a week. I think with Jones it's
gonna be whether you want to call it load management,
where they's managing an injury, whatever the injury is. We
pressed Daniel Jones today. I'm telling you people think we
asked dumb questions or soft questions. A couple of us asked, Daniel,

(01:15:29):
I mean one after another about when did you have
the injury? And we're not going to find out what
the injury is. But he wouldn't even tell us when
it happened. It just sort of was hanging around and
it happened. Did it happen in the Atlanta game in
Berlin when they had to buy and then he came
back and practiced full on that on that Wednesday. Then

(01:15:50):
he was limited last week, So get used to it
and we don't know, you know, I go back and
forth on is it bothering? I think it is bothering
in the game, but he started was he in the
first half ten or twelve for ninety four yards and
two touchdowns and many he had a good series or
two in the third quarter and then it just went

(01:16:11):
to went to heck in a hurry. So I I, yes,
it's it's something. I mean, it's something. We won't know
what it is until January when they say either either
nothing or yeah. Well, you guys know he had surgery
on his fibula, which you know could be something that happens,
but it's something, and you get used to him being

(01:16:34):
limited at least once during the week. But he'll play.
And if they get the Daniel Jones for the first
three quarters, they're fine, they are fine, but you cannot
have that fourth quarter overtime where the entire offense went
to sleep. So yeah, we'll see. But the fibula, it's something,

(01:16:55):
it will be something. I don't get the impression that
this is something that is going to heal itself while
you're playing on it. So he he'll hit to deal
with this for the rest of the season.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
What they feel compelled last week to mention calf first
and then a day later go to the fibula.

Speaker 8 (01:17:13):
Well that's I understand that, because you know he comes
to him in practice on Thursday and and say, my
calf's hurt. So then when the when the report comes out,
that's what it is. And then when it did further evaluations,
it turns out to be the phibulous and whether there's
a fracture, I don't a hairline fracture, I don't know,

(01:17:34):
it's there, a bone bruise, I don't know, it's something.
It's something. But that's why that's why it was loss
a calf initially because that's heyes, it my cast bothered me.
So then further exam showed it to be the Fibulam.

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
Who had more of a problem in the fourth quarter
on Sunday dealing with the pressure. Was it Daniel Jones
on the field or Shane stacking on the sideline with
what Steve Spagnulo and in Kansas City was doing to
the pressure them.

Speaker 8 (01:18:07):
Yeah, it impacted them both, It really did. I think
it got to the point to where, boy and Shane
is such an aggressive coach, an aggressive coach, I wonder
if on that one, I still think if you give
him a do over, he's going forward on third and
three from the forty five from the Chiefs forty five,

(01:18:30):
he would I believe that. But but I just I
just it's a really good question, the chicken or the egg.
It's got to start with with Daniel Jones not handling
things well enough, and then Shane's taking says, well, he's
not handling things well enough. So but then if that's
the case, you know, hindsight again, you give them bot

(01:18:53):
j T a little bit more and don't lean on
a quarterback that at that time wasn't playing well. So yeah,
it's it's you walk away from that game upset. But
I tell you, you have to believe and this is the
The Sunday side of it is they who in the
AFC can't they can they not beat and there's nobody.

(01:19:15):
You know, they had the Chiefs on the ropes a
couple of plays and they put them away. So I'm
encouraged by that. But and we may have talked about
this last week, this is the game. Houston's a game.
This will tell us a whole lot about the Colts,
a whole lot about the AFC South. You know, let's

(01:19:36):
keep in mind Negro to Jacksonville last week and or
next week, and the last time they went there it's
been like ten or leven years. So this game on
Sundays is monsters. Is it must win. It's it's you
better win. It's not winn or else. Well tell you
hole to get this the bleeding stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:19:56):
Losing two out of three is one thing.

Speaker 8 (01:19:57):
Losing three out of four with rope games at Jacksonville
and Seattle, that's something different.

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
They if they lose on Sunday, Mike, they're in incredibly deep,
you know what, Let's just face it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:10):
I don't know. That's what makes this must yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:20:15):
And that's and again until until you get your the
pass protection and trouble with the blitzes fixed. And this
is the team. I'm not sure how much Houston blitzes
because they don't need to. They've got two of the
best edge you guys in the game. Uh So, so
if if you give Jones protection enough, quarterbacks get get rushed,

(01:20:38):
because that's that's what defense is too. But we saw
the first eight games. First eight games, they averaged thirty
three points a game and now it's down to twenty
three points a game, and it's directly tied to his
his stats falling off pretty dramatically. So this is a
protection thing. It is, and until they get it fixed,

(01:21:01):
teams are just going to say, you can't keep us
out of your backfield. And if you can't keep teams
out of your backfield, and you're having trouble running the ball.
Although they ran the ball like a son of a
gun in Berlin with with with the JT, but two
of the last three games they've not run.

Speaker 4 (01:21:20):
The ball well.

Speaker 8 (01:21:22):
So you know, the best way to slow down a
pass rush is run the ball and get the lead
and run the ball. So we'll see. And this is
a great defense both ways. There's not a lot of
weaknesses to it. So this will this will this will
be I mentioned on our podcast today, this is gonna
be a rock fight. This is gonna be one where

(01:21:42):
they're throwing rocks and sticks and all that stuff with
each other and which one can stand there and take
it and walk away away.

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
Mike Chapel of CBS four and Fox with you down
your reference Anderson and Hunter coming from the outside, but
we shall probably bring up they got some playmak ability
in that secondary. We talk about the cold secondary with
a name recognition and at least my level of expectation.

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
From that group.

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
But Houston can get it done to the back end
of their defense as well.

Speaker 8 (01:22:14):
Yeah, and that's why, you know, if you can have
a good balance to where you can run the ball
when you want to and throw it when you want to,
not when you have to. And if you're running the
ball semi decent, you're not in third and eight thirty
nine normally. But yeah, there's not a lot of weaknesses,
if any weakness is on this Houston team. Again, I

(01:22:36):
guess what's kind of kind of funny is and it'll
be a contrast, is the Colts and the Texans each
have thirty three sacks. I mean, We always talk about
how great of a pass rush team this is. But
the difference is they've got two guys that's got what
twenty one and a half of them, and the culture
are sacked by committee, which is great, But I always

(01:22:57):
like to have a couple of guys I know that
that can tear up a game. And this is I
always go back to this, and it's the unfair part
of the NFL or of football is that Will Anderson
only needs to win like two plays, and Daniel Hunter
only needs to win like two plays, and Braden and

(01:23:18):
Bernie Ryman they can be spot on for fifty eight
plays and if they get beat twice, you know it
can wreck the game. But that's why those pass rushers
get paid like they do. That's why Miles Garrett has
eighteen sacks. Eighteen sacks for crying out loud. They just
wreck games, and there's going to be bad plays on Sunday.

Speaker 7 (01:23:42):
There are.

Speaker 8 (01:23:43):
You just need to make sure that the bad plays
aren't stripsack, lost fumble, that's just a sack for six
yards and then you move on. Houston's gonna make you
look bad. Sometimes they make everybody look good. They got
the Josh Allen eight times. That's crazy. But until you
get the protection fixed, it's a problem. And Daniel Jones,

(01:24:06):
most quarterbacks are not good enough to stand up to
that kind of pressure.

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
Hey, two part question here, how'd you think the secondary
played a week ago? And is this finally going to
be the secondary and the defensive coordinator to be able
to do a damn thing with Nico Collins on Sunday?

Speaker 8 (01:24:29):
I know I still have visions of him running down
the middle of field on a seven year, eighty yar
touchdown when the corner got beat and the safety was late.

Speaker 4 (01:24:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:24:40):
I liked the defense and I didn't blame the defense
for Sunday, although it gave up almost five hundred yards.
It was on the field for ninety plays, ninety and
somebody like Mahomes is going to make you pay with
what three or four plays, and he did in the
fourth quarter overtime there was one where Anymore got beat

(01:25:01):
down the middle by I think it's Rushi Rice, I think,
and then Gardner or one of them slipped on a
crosser and got beat. So I like this defense. I
think that they'll do a decent job of limiting Nico Collins.
Although Nico Collins is good. He's gonna get he's gonna
make plays. But I do feel good for the first

(01:25:24):
time that we're not gonna see Nico Collins running free
and having you know, one eighty one ninety And if
that's the case again, I just I don't think Houston
can win a track beat against the Colts. Although I
don't think this will be a track meet, it's gonna
come down again, just like we saw in Kansas City,

(01:25:45):
make three plays, make four plays. Mahomes did because Mahomes
almost always does, and in that game, Jones didn't, and
fair or not, that's that's what the league's about. If
you make those three or four plays. If if you
give Mahomes ninety one plays, he's going to make three
or four plays that break your back. So I'm looking

(01:26:07):
forward to Sunday just to find out what this team
can do moving forward, because if this thing spirals out
of control, and it can, it can. Let's not kid ourselves.
Who knows what happens in the offseason, But there's still
so much this team can do. Win the division hosts

(01:26:27):
a playoff game they get in the playoffs, and again
I'm not sure who I'd say, well, they can't beat
those guys. There aren't those teams in AC this year
at all.

Speaker 3 (01:26:40):
Hey, who most can and closing who most concerns you?

Speaker 1 (01:26:43):
In the review within the South, with two games remaining
with both Jacksonville or.

Speaker 8 (01:26:47):
Houston, Jacksonville, they hay, boy, I don't trust Trevor Lawrence
at all, but they've got a much easier schedule. I
think they still play Tennessee twice, I think, and they
I think, uh so yeah uh And again, boy, I
think this team is good enough to win in Jacksonville.

(01:27:11):
The boy, you'd be crazy putting your mortgage treatment down
on the Colts and Jacksonville. He'd be crazy. I still
remember Cody Kesseler beating him. Uh Jacksonville because they're closer,
And I just think the Colts win Sunday.

Speaker 7 (01:27:27):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (01:27:28):
But it's it's how comfortable would you be putting money
on the finish of this season, because again, the Colts
finishes like the fourth or fifth most difficult schedule in
the league. You know, they took care of the first
half when when it was easier. Now they got to
buckle up and and win some tough games.

Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
My chapel of CBS four and Fox Muty nine.

Speaker 1 (01:27:53):
It'll good to be able to see you again in
the press box for the first time in a month.

Speaker 8 (01:27:59):
It's been like it's been like thirty five days from
praying in l As.

Speaker 5 (01:28:02):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:28:02):
Yeah, it has been something, no doubt about that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:05):
Happy Thanksgiving to you and the family in Beech Grove
and we'll see you on Sunday, Mike

Speaker 8 (01:28:11):
You guys will have a safer happy thanks siving yourself

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