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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Andy Moore Auto Motive Group, Potline. Let me make
sure I get this accurately. I think I simply called
him the A D a little bit earlier, but he's
more than that. The vice president and director of Athletics
at Butler, Grant Lindecker, joins us on the Andy Moore
Auto Motive Group Potlin. I feel bad when I first
mentioned here on the show. I don't think I got
your title accurate.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
My bad.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Hey, no sweat name, no sweat.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
By the way, Let's talk Butler basketball and everyone wants
to hear about neck injuries and eye injuries.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Come on, well, I want to see some makes and
some cohesion.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
And here's what I want to see, Grant, here's what
I want to see. Because this was this.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Was reminiscent of you know, when Butler was at its
highest level. When is I in that double overtime thrilling
win at Hinkle last Saturday over Providence when he got
blocked by Stefan Rahm, And that happened in your life
a number of times. Stefan ram gets up and rejects
your shot, your ducks, and so Stefan Rahm threw it
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back and he didn't give up on it, he stayed
at it and had I think one of the plays
of the year when you look back on it. For Butler,
I know things didn't go right at Connecticut earlier this week,
but that was kind of a moment where you could
really get everybody on the same page as far as
what is necessary to win games like that. I thought
that that was one of the bigger moments of the
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season so far.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
On Saturday, No, I completely agree, and you said it well,
I mean, when we've been at our best, we don't
win because we're making every shot. We win because we're
winning the plays and the margins and the hustle plays.
And that was one of those moments where it wasn't
necessarily pretty, but it was gritty and we pulled it out.
(01:47):
And man, I got to get some thanks to our
crowd that day because it was the middle of a
snowstorm and we still had almost eight thousand people here cheering,
and they were a big part of that win too.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
And I'm telling you what, they're on the edge of
the seat.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
They're trying to get everybody in and and and hopefully
you're seeing a response from your guys there, because I
would agree with you. You can just tell with that
fan base, and I know a couple personally, you know,
long time season ticket holders that are just right there
with you know what if you can make a play
here or there or you know, I know you haven't
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been some of these guys in a similar situation in
the past, But this is a moment in which you
have to come through.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I mean when you.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Start, when you start realizing that you know, something significant
is happening in a positive it seems like that all
of a sudden you can start putting things together and
that's when you play.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
To me Grant at a higher level in basketball.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Yeah, No, I think that's real. I think that's spot on.
I think that momentum is huge. And I'm with you.
I'm with the fans too.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
I'm a I'm Gonna lum and a fan myself, and yeah,
we all want to see us get over the hump.
And the good thing about that is, I think we've
got a group that is doing all the little things
and playing the right way. And sure we're gonna have
nights like we did earlier this week up in up
at Yukon where shots aren't falling and we're into a
bit of a bus saw. But I promise you we're
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not going to quit, and we're going to compete for
forty or fifty minutes like we did against Providence. But yeah,
you know, you build some of that momentum and then
things start to snowball in a positive way and I
feel like we're moving that direction right now. Hopefully we
can get everybody back on board and keep it there.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yeah, great line.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Decker is, for lack of a better description, director of
Athletics of Butler. He's kind of enough to join us
on the anymore auto motive group potlines. So a little
neutral floor action the indie classic Gamebridge Field House. How
difficult is that, as a guy that guides the program
as you do right now, to put something like that together?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Where is all the cohesion?
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Because not only that, but then you know, obviously bush
chili beans, which I love, by the way, that's a
big part of it as well. How does all this
evolve for those out there that may not know?
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Yeah, a lot of moving parts and scheduling has frankly
gotten Steven harder these days with you know, where the
college basketball landscape is, because everybody's waiting later and later
to schedule because we don't know who's going to be
on our team, we don't know who other teams are
going to have on their roster.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
And so that's created some challenges.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
But events like this are so important to us to
be able.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
To attract you know, quality.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Really Q one or Q two games for us on
a neutral site.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Is what we're targeting for these type of events.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
And obviously for us to.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Play a neutral side event, uh, you know, right down
the street in our hometown in front of our home
fans is huge. And so yeah, it's a lot of
a lot of pieces. I mean, we've partnered with the
Indie Sports Corps on this one, which is obviously a
great partner of ours, and and we work with them
a lot and obviously a great reputation here in Indian
throughout the state, and so we're glad this one came together,
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and yeah, we want to keep doing this and you know,
hopefully we can get to a point someday where we
get back to the uh, the Crossroads Classic like we
used to and we get the four power fives together
and play in front of the Indian at Indiana basketball fans.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
That's what we're trying to get to.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
How easy or maybe difficult is it to promote event
like this? And do you have to have the other
schools and you know, those other figureheads on board with
you to try to you know, make sure you get
the most out of what you're doing here.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
You do, you do and that's why you know this
is a it's a four team event with one ticket,
and so it is important to be able to bring in,
you know, local brands that you know we're going to sell,
like with Purdue, right and so we benefit from produce
selling tickets, they benefit from us selling tickets.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
And so that's part of your.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Strategy for an event like this is make sure you're
you got some some brand in there that are going
to attract and draw. And the hope is in that
the fringes are filled in with just the basketball jumpties.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Throughout our state. But I think that's a big.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Part of it, is who you're partnering with and what
they're going to attract.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
See great Linebecker, who's the director of Athletics, Vice president
director of Athletics for Butler's on the Andy Moore Automotive
Group Hotline. The Indy Classic coming up at Gabridge Fieldhouse,
Northwestern and Butler's the matchup. We can get a little
bit more of that in just a second too. So
I got a care package from Indy Sports Corps and
I dig the gear. I do, but I didn't find
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was there not a can of beams in there?
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Did you know?
Speaker 1 (06:37):
The grant part of my incredible dietary function now would
be Bush's chili beans.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
What the hell? I didn't see a can of them
in there? What happened?
Speaker 4 (06:48):
I'm not trying to deflect blame here, but I had
nothing to do with that.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
But uh, I think that's something. I think that's something
we can remedy. I think we could. I think we
can pull that off.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
That's not a very high fiber in my diet these days.
You know, the last time you saw me, I was
a big, a larger shell of myself, and that was
during the n I T I believe you set across
from me at hinkle Field House before Tera Hat that
cervaded Hinklefield House or the semi final.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
It has been part of the dietary secret. It's your
crediting here.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
I haven't done fiber in a minute, but I started
out with a lot of fiber, a lot of beans
and Bush's beans that were a part of that too,
But it is very high protein, is what I do
right now, and on days like today when I drink,
I'm very much like a combination.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Of of Dean Martin and Nickelback. I just don't eat.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Well.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
Listen, I think I think Bushes needs to know about this, and.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
They should and I'll.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Deal here in the in the making. We got to
put it on their radar. It's a no brainer in
my eyes.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Well, I I talked about Daisy Brand Cottage cheese so
much they advertised with the show.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
So yeah, that's exactly that's what we can do. And
we bring up a great point.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Where are you guys right now in terms of an
I l how I don't know if you're ever really
truly comfortable, But where are you as far as comfort
in what you have put together? And I guess, for
lack of a better description, your stash for an.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
I yeah, no, I think that's I think that's well said.
I think a coach would tell you they're never comfortable.
But I really like where we're at and I like
how far we've come, and we've made tremendous progress. And
I'm not gonna lie. It's been a challenge peri at
Butler as Nil has evolved, But I really like where
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we're at right now, and frankly in this landscape with
a quote unquote salary cap that we'll see if it
can hold up. You know, schools like Butler and schools
in the Big East without a power for football program
actually have a bit of a strategic advantage here, and
so we're trying to maximize that and capitalize on that.
And we made great growth and then all support from
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last suit to this year. And you know, Frankly, I
think you're seeing that in the quality of the team
are putting on the floor. And you know, we certainly
have Butler guys in high level, high character individuals.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
But now the.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Athleticism and the debt and the skill that we've been
able to put together in a cohesive way I think
is showing. And so we're making great strides and continue
to do so. But I like our strategy and where
we're at right now, and we just got to keep
building on it.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Well, here's what I'm hoping.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
You don't have to tell me the number, but I'm
hoping you're former coach and his present organization, they dig deep.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
In their pockets to help out the former program.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Right, That is a wonderful idea. I think that's the one.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, well, there might be should.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
That we can't break. Yeah, yeah, well, I mean he
could help me.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
With he's still got Granted, I think he may still
have that Zionsville mentality of you know, watching the bottom
line here, but I think, yeah, I think he can
be a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Free wheeling with it if he wants to in his present.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
I think that's a wonderful idea. I think, yeah, yeah, absolutely,
let's find out.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yeah, well, we have to.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
I can't imagine how never ending a saga that is
for you, though, grant it is.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
It is, and the challenge with it, frankly, is just
the constant evolution of of kind of the guardrails around it,
or lack thereof.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Frankly, I mean, we.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Feel like we're moving in a place where we're going
to get some structure around this, and you know, we
do have this salary cap now in effect. But you know,
the same schools that have helped structure this settlement and
these rules are now now finding ways that they're convented.
And so at some level we have to all commit
to want to be governed, and uh want to want
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to put some you know, some parameters around this stuff.
But frankly, until we get to a point where there's
congressional intervention which I'm not holding my breath, or there's
collective bargaining and there's real contracts and employment agreements, I
think we're going to have a lot of this you know,
gray area, and uh, it's going to be continue to
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be really.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Messy free agency every year.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
It is unlike anything ever, is what we're going through
right now today.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I think I want to be a free agent. Okay,
you're a free agent. It's incredible.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Yeah, And that's the that's the hardest part of it, right.
I think we're all for the student athletes earning compensation
from their name, image and likeness. But that's the challenging part.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
And and you.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Know, every agent is pushing for them to get into
transfer fort every year because that's how you maximize your
market value in this short four to five year window
that they all have.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
And so.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
That's the reality of where we are, and uh, it's challenging, and.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
So yeah, you got to stay nimble and kind of
keep your strategy short term, and obviously financial resources help.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
But at the same time, there's.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
A lot of schools out there that's spent a lot.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Of money that aren't getting much out of it.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
So we also got to be really really thoughtful and
strategic about how you're recruiting, how you're evaluating, how you're
negotiating and roster management at the end of the day,
and how you're constructing these things because it's not about
just going and buying the you know, yep, the highest
holar players available. So yeah, that's where I feel good
about where we're at as well.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Yeah, I mean, you have to be savvy about who
you pick, and you know, obviously with the Value Football program,
that's the greatest example of trying to mix in what
is best for your team by allocating, you know, the
funds where you need to do that. Hey, Grant, keep
doing what you're doing. Man, And I hear from John Deadman.
Are you going to come on every week? Because that'd
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be great And I don't know if it's be great
for you, it'd be great for me.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I would love to if you have me.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
I enjoy this, Yeah, this conversation, and hopefully by the
next time we talk, you get a Bush's care package better.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
I think would be a shame if you don't.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I'm dang right. I bet.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Not only that, but I'm ready to start like doing
some hoopid hinkle again too, because I want to like
get the whole the media group back, because we got
a lot of young people on the media and I
know they can't play and they all suck. But I'd
like to try to get that back going on Tuesday again.
If they wouldn't mind.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Let's style that up.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
Man.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
I would love you know, I think that'd be I
have no interest in participating, but I would love to.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Uh, I would love the entertainment. I'll referee. How about that?
Speaker 1 (13:35):
You know who I used to play with all the time.
He's now in wes lof Hed, Terry Johnson. I used
to kick that ass. Let me tell you about that.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Oh boy. I know. That's why I feel comfortable in
saying this.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Your phone line, your phone lines are going to be
ringing off the hook.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
I know it all.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Right, man, Hey Grant, it's good to hear from me.
We can do this every week if you on. I
love it, ippreciate it.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Yeah, man, thanks for having me and go dog.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
But are they any more Automotive Group pile line they
probe of Beach Grove was Mike Chapel of CBS four
and Fox fifty nine.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
I'm gonna start right here. With the Kevin.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Warren angle now of northwest Indiana being in play, how
might carly ERSA. Gordon and ownership of the Colts feel
about that ploy.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
I don't know why you would be against it that.
I mean, you're not talking about moving it to Carmel.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
So the fact, well, you can't take away the armpit
from us.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
All.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
We've got to have some armpit support, don't we.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
Well, yeah, this might spruce up that corner of the state.
I would, but this isn't like this isn't like seventeen
moving and they're moving, you know, to Louisville to where
teams would have a problem. So I don't think that
they would have an issue with it. It would sort
of be yeah, come on down or you know, to
that part, and it would be a smack on Chicago's
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what it would be. It would look bad on them.
But I'm telling you, and I posted her on Social
I've got some real estate that we can haggle over
the price. Well, yes, they could have it. They could
break ground immediately in Beech Grove if they want to.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Let me tell you this, Mike, we could put that
bad boy in lett in Indiana, in the heart of
Green County, on the other side of the river, the
bad side of the river right there.
Speaker 6 (15:30):
There's always options. Sometimes there are bad options.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yeah, it's just kind of funny because I know that's
why the Bears hired Kevin Warren to really get this
going and put this thing into place. And you can
tell I know a lot of people think, well, you
know what, it is a reality that no other in
northwest Indiana is an option, but others kind of view
it as well. This is kind of a leverage builder
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for Kevin and Warren and the Bears on a project
that he was supposed to get going that is low
a foot right now.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
Well, everything's leverage. Everything's leverage and in putting the squeeze
on people. And you know we've seen this, you know,
back in the day on you know, teams threatening to
move to LA or whatever and to get a sweeter
deal where you're at. So it's all a game they play.
This will probably be back where they anticipate. Was it
origin Heights? Is that what it is. I'm not that
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up on.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah all in tonights, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (16:25):
So that it will probably be they just want to
get something better from that area and then but it's
a cool story that for a short time the Indian
Animals had another app protein.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Hey, by the way to Pacer fans, Carl Anthony Towns
and Josh Hart out tonight, Mitchell Robinson and og Nanobi
available for the Knicks, Knicks and Paces.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
The Knicks are the whatever.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Who cares the Emirates Cup champions, nobody cares about that.
They get the Paces coming up here downtown about a
block from where we are right now, coming up at
game House later off to night. My chapel of CBS
four and Fox fifty nine is so again why the difference?
Speaker 2 (17:05):
And I think I know why, but I want your
thoughts on it.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Between how the situation was described regarding Anthony Richardson from
his head coach Shane Steichen and then himself earlier today.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
Well, I think I sort of viewing it from a
different angle than a lot of people are. I can't
know what I think is going to happen, and I'm
going to be surprised if Richardson plays this year. I
just am now, is he gets out there against Houston, fine,
then I was wrong. But I don't know how much
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difference there is in what was said. The problem with
Changstune is he doesn't give us. He doesn't always give
us specifics. And some of it is you seems don't
want to do that, and some of it is there
are hip rules and and here I please, I'm not
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I'm not defending Shane sike and I'm not. But the
most we were going to get today about the eye
is there's vision limitations that we asked. You know, a
couple of guys asked, what are the limitations? Is it vision?
Is it peripheral vision? And they're not going to get
into that.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
You know from Shane sikeen is is he's being cleared
to practice from the from the fractured eye and from
the from the vision standpoint, he's still limited vision. I
don't think they know how the limited vision is going
to impact playing a position that requires requires your you know,
your full vision just to see things coming and to
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see things opening up. And he hasn't practiced in eleven weeks.
And then when we talked to Richardson today, I thought
the furtherest key went was. I asked him, do you
envision yourself playing this year? He said, I do. He said,
you know, this is the game I love. He didn't say, damn,
I want to play. Uh, but but he made it
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very clear that he wants to play.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
He didn't want to sound like a woosie. He didn't
want to sound like cap out guy.
Speaker 6 (19:08):
Yeah yeah, I mean, yeah, I'll let you go there.
But but I know what you're saying. But he didn't
say I'm ready to play right now. And because he's not,
he can't be. He can't be in football shape. But
because part of the Southern with that fractured eye, if
you can't run around him, you can't jar the fractured
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orbital bone part even after it was it was, you know,
addressed and fixed it, and the stitches in the eye
and all that. So he's gonna fractured face for craning
out loud. So it's gonna take some time to really
not do. I guess what ride the stationary bike. I
guess you can do. So. I don't know how far
he is away from actually playing a game. I do
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think there's a level where the team is concerned of
him getting not even getting hurt, but you're mading fractured
orbital because the way Anthony Richardson plays, he's gonna get hit.
He just is. They're not going to ring him back.
If he comes back and have him hand off thirty times,
he'll play his game. Uh do I think it'll be
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this year? Probably not now? Having said that, if you
want to get him out there for three or four
plays and running gimmicks and and all that, okay, but
then he's getting hit on those. So I don't know. Again,
I think the difference is that the Colts haven't been
real I guess detailed in Okay, First, he's being cleared
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like on Monday, he's been cleared for physical activity. Well
a lot of us would say, well, I mean because
he's throwing and running, Well, then he's ready for football activities.
Well that was the leap that I took. And then
and then today he's at there. He's at there practicing,
but he's not you know, practicing if you know what
I mean. He's he's being eased into it. So I
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I I don't know. You know, they ruled him not
for Monday, so I'm glad they said that. But the
last two games could d M play. I guess in
my mind, I think they they've they've approached the last
part of the season. As you know, these last two games,
if we win, we got a chance not to to
throw them away Seattle or Frisco, and they start their
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beats uh Seattle. But it's kind of like they're pouring
everything into the last two games. I think there's a
chance Buckner plays this week and maybe saw guard room
next week. But I just I think right now they're
so committed to Phillip forever that Kee Richardson comes back
to be the backup, uh for this game or two.
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I don't know. It's one though that when you don't
get really specific from the team point of view, it
leaves it leaves speculation to well, maybe, you know, maybe
Monday he's gonna and maybe maybe next week against Jacksonville.
People just have to realize he's not practiced in eleven
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weeks now.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
They want to squash that, don't they. That's that's part
of this.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Tiken's boy was trying to squash the thought that he
was going to be available.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
That's the way I well.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
But the problem is no one knows that, Okay, not
available not this week, of course, but they're not going
to say and he's not going to fight next week.
They're not going to do that. I would expect him
to do that. This is going to be a week
to week thing and changing that the dress it every week. Well,
what about this week where we'll see and what we're
going to get is where we'll see how he progresses,
because that's all that's all they can do and all
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I would expect him to do. I would not expect
him to play Jacksonville, maybe Houston, and then you want
to put a guy who hasn't played in you know,
thirteen fourteen weeks to go out against Houston, which has
got the best defense in the league, and they're going
to beat the heck out of you because they're that good.
It's a difficult situation. Does he need to play before
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the off season to show that he's okay? I don't know.
He's going to be the same quarterback. It's not like
this time off he's developed more accuracy, you know. I mean,
he's still a fifty percent passer. So I don't know
what he needs to prove before the off season. I
really don't know what he needs to prove.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
To Mike Chapel of CBS four and Fox with the
don he's on the Andy Moore on the Money Group
pole line, So curious your thoughts on Seattle on Sunday. Obviously,
at quarterback, forty four year old Philip Rivers kept them minute,
but did he also help in the cause of keeping
them from winning it considering his limitations down the field?
Speaker 6 (23:48):
Right? I thought that was that was an example of
a pitcher pitching a perfect game for eight innings and
then giving him a lee off home run in the
bottom of the ninth and you get beat more than nothing.
They did almost everything right offensively, they did, but they
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left a few plays on the field. They did almost
everything right special teams. I mean, you got a sixty
yard field goal by Groopie for crying out loud, but
then on the ensuing kickoff it was a little bit
short and it gave them a little bit shorter of
a field, and then the defense they held them out
of the end zone. No touchdowns in two of fifteen
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on third downs and fifty yards rushing two point three yards,
yet you couldn't make a play on the last drive.
It was like the Kansas City game where you did
so much right, and then you can't get out the
field when you've got the game in your hands. If
you ask any defensive player anytime, Hey, we're going to
give you an eighteen to sixteen lead, forty seconds to
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play the balls on their thirty seven and sign me
up and you've got you've got the closes or they
didn't do it. And it's like I said that right now,
they're playing just good enough to lose, and that's where
they're stuck. And you can't. You can't play that way
against Seattle in San Francisco and Jacksonville and Houston. And
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you know they've got to do more this week. Whether
whether Rivers can't, I don't know. They've got they've got
to find a way to get the ball down the
field to pierce they do, because until they show that
they can at least have a threat down field, JK
is going to have eight to nine man boxes and
it's just tough to run when it's like that. So
I stinking, and Jim Bob Tudorkin came up with some
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former fashion to open things up to where they give
JT a chance to get to the second level and
break some plays.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Hey, Mike, would you have designed a couple of long
ball kind of jump ball throws to Alex Pierce on
Sunday just for you know, just for the reason of
loosening things up.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
You have to try to do something.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
That's one of the things that cross my mind on
Sunday that they never did until, you know, obviously at
the end of the game situation.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
When they need to that way.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And that's the thing. But they were
so concerned and rightfully so, of not getting the quarterback hit.
And I mean, you know, they average four point four
yards a pass a tempt or something, and that's just
that's Matt Ryan level and you can't you can't win
like that. But they got really lot quickly. They had
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the screens and the short passes and you know, the
touchdowns and downs on that shell across her. But I
thought they were so conscious of not having him hold
the ball, and you can't, you know, if you're going
to take your shot to deep, you've got to hold
the ball for a few seconds to get Pierce a
chance to get downfield. But I do think, yes, I
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think they need to do that. And then, oh, by
the way, Braden Smith's out for the season. You know,
you've got a rookie playing right tackle, and we don't
know about you know, Bernie Ryman with his elbow. He
didn't practice today, so you may have Luke Canuda playing
left tackle. So everything that you want to do, you're
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limited by a quarterback who really can't move very well.
He couldn't move very well when he played. And you've
got two very very inexperienced tackles playing. So it's it's
what you want to do and what you're able to do,
or two totally different things. Especially now.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
To Mike Chappell of CBS four and Fox withuty done,
you mentioned the Forest bucknering your thoughts on his return Monday,
and where are we with Sauce Gardner right now on
that secondary I.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
When we talked to buck last week, he just didn't sound.
He didn't have his usual bubble in his voice where
he was so upbeat. I didn't and he didn't play
this that last week, which which is how it turned out.
This week. We'll see that he was. He was full
practice today and this will be against his old team
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on Monday night, and you still got playoff hopes. I
think this is the game where where but they're gonna
have to hold him back. They'll have to take his
helmet so that he doesn't play. I just think that's
how he's built. We were joking and sometimes I say, well,
this is a this is a horseshoe guy. When they
signed somebody, Well the fourth Buckner is a horseshoe guy.
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He is. I mean, if you could ever draw draw
up what you want, what you want a player to be,
this is this is it. And he's a damn good
player to boot. So I think he plays. Sauce Gardner,
I don't know. I not practicing today, in my mind's
not ideal. We'll see tomorrow again. Maybe he's one of
those guys that you're they're really pointing on. You know,
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if we get if we can get to these last
two games and five a way to win them, then
we've got a chance. Uh. But I think they got
a beat Frisco. I really do. But but I I
just wonder, well, well, well don't tomorrow. If Sauce doesn't
practice tomorrow, then in my mind, he's not playing. But
they just got they just they need their they need
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their defensive players back buck and and Sauce. They're not
getting money war back the next year, So they just
don't have many difference makers. They just don't you know,
the two ends aren't aren't giving you what you need
with city pay and lattu uh. And I'm curious how
they're going to cover George Kittle. You know, that's a
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lot of times that's linebacker territory and that that can't
be so again, Frisco's got you know, this game is
all about difference makers, and they've got two or three
and and Kittle and McCaffrey are at the top of
the list. So I think this is this is a
winnable game. But Friscoll's got some pretty good players. You
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got you got to account for.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Mike Chapel of CBS four and Fox fifty nine. How
do you view Shane Steichen and Chris Ballard and their gigs?
And I guess I'll ask you this from the angle,
what if they lose out?
Speaker 2 (30:20):
And I know that's the negative, but if they.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Lose out, Because here's why I say this, You go
back to the trade deadline, and I thought that everybody's
coming back because of what they invested in Sauce Gardner
to win right now. So to me, that dictated that
everybody was coming back. But if they were to fade
out of the playoff picture in the fashion in which
we have seen them so far for the rest of
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the season, does that change things at all?
Speaker 6 (30:48):
For you? Boy, living seven a row in the season
would be so difficult, And it's very possible it is
maybe maybe how they finish, not wins and losses. But
you know, is it eighteen to sixteen, is it twenty
one to twenty? Is it you know in these last
(31:08):
games where boy, you were right there, does that change?
You know? Does the end result over overwhelmed, overwhelm the
how you played hard and didn't win. I don't know.
Carly and her sisters have Primarily Carly has such a
decision to make because it's easy. It's easy to sit
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there and say, you know, when Dander Jones was healthy,
we were taking ass we were doing some good things.
And you lose your starting quarterback and your back up
quarterback as a freak eye injury, and then you lose Buckner,
and then then you lose your three best defense to
players Butner, Mooney and Sauce Gardner. So I don't know
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that It's a really good question, and it's not an
easy answer.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
It's not are you with me right now?
Speaker 1 (32:00):
I'm thinking that they're all back because I think right
now they're all back. But the final three games I
think may dictate the tempo on this thing a little bit.
Speaker 6 (32:08):
I think so too. Now if they go out there
and have a New York Giants game where they just
get their pants pulled down, you know, that's different, that's different,
and that could change things. I don't think that happens.
But you know, like the defense can only play so
long like it did in Seattle, and then my overall
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talent wins out. But that's a good point. I think
it matters not so much the wins and losses. I
hope they win one just because just because of it,
let's say optics, if no other reason. But it's almost
more important how they finish. You know, they don't have three,
three or four turnovers of the game and the defense
(32:50):
just gets rolled. Then you have then maybe your your
your your mindset changes. I just don't see this team
going belly up. I just don't. Before they need to
get some players back, They need to get Buck back,
they need to get Gardner back, because this is this
game is still about players. I just my issue is
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I don't. I don't know how when you've got such
a limited offense, how you can't keep playing eighteen to
sixteen games. You can't do it. That's right, hard on
the rest of the team.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
The nineteen sixties mentality doesn't work here, right, And it
just its a great topic, yep, Mike, Mike. I'll look
at Philip Rivers on Sunday as somebody that kept you
in it and did a nice job of making sure
you navigate. But one of the biggest reasons why you
end up losing is because you couldn't stretch it whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
And that is just what you have to do in
this era of the NFL. There's no way around it.
Speaker 6 (33:54):
It was like two hundred and fifteen yards total offense.
You can't, Yeah, you can't. You can't win that way,
you know. So they've got to And again this year
they're what six when it's twenty points for fewer and
that's what it's been during this during this streak where
they're not winning and losing four out of five whatever
it is, Uh, try out of six, I guess. So again,
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you got to score it. Just it just puts too
much pressure on every other area that they can't, you know,
the defense because the offense can't score a special team.
Can you imagine if Ruby misses a couple of field
goals in a game, it puts too much. And he's
when they when they signing, he had missed the.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Most vehicles in the league. And Mike Styke has played
for Saints.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Tyke has played for sixty yarders to like win games
twice this year.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
That's incredible to me.
Speaker 6 (34:49):
That's just that's just not the way you can do it. Uh.
And it took a great back shoulder throw and catch
the piers and then a couple of plays later to
get in position for that. So that's just not the
that's not a formula at all. That's where they are.
But no, you and I are in the same page.
They've got to find a way. And I'm sure Reggie
(35:10):
Wayne would say, amen, brother, that they've got to get
the ball down the field because when you don't, everybody
is up with the line of scrimmage and it's just
hard to play offense like that. I don't care what
level you're at.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Mike, appreciate you. We'll see you on Monday night in
the press box.
Speaker 6 (35:26):
Thank you, be well, buddy.
The Andy Moore Auto Motive Group, Potline. Let me make
sure I get this accurately. I think I simply called
him the A D a little bit earlier, but he's
more than that. The vice president and director of Athletics
at Butler, Grant Lindecker, joins us on the Andy Moore
Auto Motive Group Potlin. I feel bad when I first
mentioned here on the show. I don't think I got
your title accurate.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
My bad.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Hey, no sweat name, no sweat.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
By the way, Let's talk Butler basketball and everyone wants
to hear about neck injuries and eye injuries.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Come on, well, I want to see some makes and
some cohesion.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
And here's what I want to see, Grant, here's what
I want to see. Because this was this.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Was reminiscent of you know, when Butler was at its
highest level. When is I in that double overtime thrilling
win at Hinkle last Saturday over Providence when he got
blocked by Stefan Rahm, And that happened in your life
a number of times. Stefan ram gets up and rejects
your shot, your ducks, and so Stefan Rahm threw it
(01:02):
back and he didn't give up on it, he stayed
at it and had I think one of the plays
of the year when you look back on it. For Butler,
I know things didn't go right at Connecticut earlier this week,
but that was kind of a moment where you could
really get everybody on the same page as far as
what is necessary to win games like that. I thought
that that was one of the bigger moments of the
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season so far.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
On Saturday, No, I completely agree, and you said it well,
I mean, when we've been at our best, we don't
win because we're making every shot. We win because we're
winning the plays and the margins and the hustle plays.
And that was one of those moments where it wasn't
necessarily pretty, but it was gritty and we pulled it out.
(01:47):
And man, I got to get some thanks to our
crowd that day because it was the middle of a
snowstorm and we still had almost eight thousand people here cheering,
and they were a big part of that win too.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
And I'm telling you what, they're on the edge of
the seat.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
They're trying to get everybody in and and and hopefully
you're seeing a response from your guys there, because I
would agree with you. You can just tell with that
fan base, and I know a couple personally, you know,
long time season ticket holders that are just right there
with you know what if you can make a play
here or there or you know, I know you haven't
(02:22):
been some of these guys in a similar situation in
the past, But this is a moment in which you
have to come through.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I mean when you.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Start, when you start realizing that you know, something significant
is happening in a positive it seems like that all
of a sudden you can start putting things together and
that's when you play.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
To me Grant at a higher level in basketball.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Yeah, No, I think that's real. I think that's spot on.
I think that momentum is huge. And I'm with you.
I'm with the fans too.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
I'm a I'm Gonna lum and a fan myself, and yeah,
we all want to see us get over the hump.
And the good thing about that is, I think we've
got a group that is doing all the little things
and playing the right way. And sure we're gonna have
nights like we did earlier this week up in up
at Yukon where shots aren't falling and we're into a
bit of a bus saw. But I promise you we're
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not going to quit, and we're going to compete for
forty or fifty minutes like we did against Providence. But yeah,
you know, you build some of that momentum and then
things start to snowball in a positive way and I
feel like we're moving that direction right now. Hopefully we
can get everybody back on board and keep it there.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yeah, great line.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Decker is, for lack of a better description, director of
Athletics of Butler. He's kind of enough to join us
on the anymore auto motive group potlines. So a little
neutral floor action the indie classic Gamebridge Field House. How
difficult is that, as a guy that guides the program
as you do right now, to put something like that together?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Where is all the cohesion?
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Because not only that, but then you know, obviously bush
chili beans, which I love, by the way, that's a
big part of it as well. How does all this
evolve for those out there that may not know?
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Yeah, a lot of moving parts and scheduling has frankly
gotten Steven harder these days with you know, where the
college basketball landscape is, because everybody's waiting later and later
to schedule because we don't know who's going to be
on our team, we don't know who other teams are
going to have on their roster.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
And so that's created some challenges.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
But events like this are so important to us to
be able.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
To attract you know, quality.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Really Q one or Q two games for us on
a neutral site.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Is what we're targeting for these type of events.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
And obviously for us to.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Play a neutral side event, uh, you know, right down
the street in our hometown in front of our home
fans is huge. And so yeah, it's a lot of
a lot of pieces. I mean, we've partnered with the
Indie Sports Corps on this one, which is obviously a
great partner of ours, and and we work with them
a lot and obviously a great reputation here in Indian
throughout the state, and so we're glad this one came together,
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and yeah, we want to keep doing this and you know,
hopefully we can get to a point someday where we
get back to the uh, the Crossroads Classic like we
used to and we get the four power fives together
and play in front of the Indian at Indiana basketball fans.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
That's what we're trying to get to.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
How easy or maybe difficult is it to promote event
like this? And do you have to have the other
schools and you know, those other figureheads on board with
you to try to you know, make sure you get
the most out of what you're doing here.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
You do, you do and that's why you know this
is a it's a four team event with one ticket,
and so it is important to be able to bring in,
you know, local brands that you know we're going to sell,
like with Purdue, right and so we benefit from produce
selling tickets, they benefit from us selling tickets.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
And so that's part of your.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Strategy for an event like this is make sure you're
you got some some brand in there that are going
to attract and draw. And the hope is in that
the fringes are filled in with just the basketball jumpties.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Throughout our state. But I think that's a big.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Part of it, is who you're partnering with and what
they're going to attract.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
See great Linebecker, who's the director of Athletics, Vice president
director of Athletics for Butler's on the Andy Moore Automotive
Group Hotline. The Indy Classic coming up at Gabridge Fieldhouse,
Northwestern and Butler's the matchup. We can get a little
bit more of that in just a second too. So
I got a care package from Indy Sports Corps and
I dig the gear. I do, but I didn't find
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was there not a can of beams in there?
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Did you know?
Speaker 1 (06:37):
The grant part of my incredible dietary function now would
be Bush's chili beans.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
What the hell? I didn't see a can of them
in there? What happened?
Speaker 4 (06:48):
I'm not trying to deflect blame here, but I had
nothing to do with that.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
But uh, I think that's something. I think that's something
we can remedy. I think we could. I think we
can pull that off.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
That's not a very high fiber in my diet these days.
You know, the last time you saw me, I was
a big, a larger shell of myself, and that was
during the n I T I believe you set across
from me at hinkle Field House before Tera Hat that
cervaded Hinklefield House or the semi final.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
It has been part of the dietary secret. It's your
crediting here.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, I do.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
I haven't done fiber in a minute, but I started
out with a lot of fiber, a lot of beans
and Bush's beans that were a part of that too,
But it is very high protein, is what I do
right now, and on days like today when I drink,
I'm very much like a combination.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Of of Dean Martin and Nickelback. I just don't eat.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Well.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
Listen, I think I think Bushes needs to know about this, and.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
They should and I'll.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Deal here in the in the making. We got to
put it on their radar. It's a no brainer in
my eyes.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Well, I I talked about Daisy Brand Cottage cheese so
much they advertised with the show.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
So yeah, that's exactly that's what we can do. And
we bring up a great point.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Where are you guys right now in terms of an
I l how I don't know if you're ever really
truly comfortable, But where are you as far as comfort
in what you have put together? And I guess, for
lack of a better description, your stash for an.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
I yeah, no, I think that's I think that's well said.
I think a coach would tell you they're never comfortable.
But I really like where we're at and I like
how far we've come, and we've made tremendous progress. And
I'm not gonna lie. It's been a challenge peri at
Butler as Nil has evolved, But I really like where
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we're at right now, and frankly in this landscape with
a quote unquote salary cap that we'll see if it
can hold up. You know, schools like Butler and schools
in the Big East without a power for football program
actually have a bit of a strategic advantage here, and
so we're trying to maximize that and capitalize on that.
And we made great growth and then all support from
(09:03):
last suit to this year. And you know, Frankly, I
think you're seeing that in the quality of the team
are putting on the floor. And you know, we certainly
have Butler guys in high level, high character individuals.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
But now the.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Athleticism and the debt and the skill that we've been
able to put together in a cohesive way I think
is showing. And so we're making great strides and continue
to do so. But I like our strategy and where
we're at right now, and we just got to keep
building on it.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Well, here's what I'm hoping.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
You don't have to tell me the number, but I'm
hoping you're former coach and his present organization, they dig deep.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
In their pockets to help out the former program.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Right, That is a wonderful idea. I think that's the one.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, well, there might be should.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
That we can't break. Yeah, yeah, well, I mean he
could help me.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
With he's still got Granted, I think he may still
have that Zionsville mentality of you know, watching the bottom
line here, but I think, yeah, I think he can
be a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Free wheeling with it if he wants to in his present.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
I think that's a wonderful idea. I think, yeah, yeah, absolutely,
let's find out.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yeah, well, we have to.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
I can't imagine how never ending a saga that is
for you, though, grant it is.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
It is, and the challenge with it, frankly, is just
the constant evolution of of kind of the guardrails around it,
or lack thereof.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Frankly, I mean, we.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Feel like we're moving in a place where we're going
to get some structure around this, and you know, we
do have this salary cap now in effect. But you know,
the same schools that have helped structure this settlement and
these rules are now now finding ways that they're convented.
And so at some level we have to all commit
to want to be governed, and uh want to want
(10:54):
to put some you know, some parameters around this stuff.
But frankly, until we get to a point where there's
congressional intervention which I'm not holding my breath, or there's
collective bargaining and there's real contracts and employment agreements, I
think we're going to have a lot of this you know,
gray area, and uh, it's going to be continue to
(11:15):
be really.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Messy free agency every year.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
It is unlike anything ever, is what we're going through
right now today.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I think I want to be a free agent. Okay,
you're a free agent. It's incredible.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Yeah, And that's the that's the hardest part of it, right.
I think we're all for the student athletes earning compensation
from their name, image and likeness. But that's the challenging part.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
And and you.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Know, every agent is pushing for them to get into
transfer fort every year because that's how you maximize your
market value in this short four to five year window
that they all have.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
And so.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
That's the reality of where we are, and uh, it's challenging, and.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
So yeah, you got to stay nimble and kind of
keep your strategy short term, and obviously financial resources help.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
But at the same time, there's.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
A lot of schools out there that's spent a lot.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Of money that aren't getting much out of it.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
So we also got to be really really thoughtful and
strategic about how you're recruiting, how you're evaluating, how you're
negotiating and roster management at the end of the day,
and how you're constructing these things because it's not about
just going and buying the you know, yep, the highest
holar players available. So yeah, that's where I feel good
about where we're at as well.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Yeah, I mean, you have to be savvy about who
you pick, and you know, obviously with the Value Football program,
that's the greatest example of trying to mix in what
is best for your team by allocating, you know, the
funds where you need to do that. Hey, Grant, keep
doing what you're doing. Man, And I hear from John Deadman.
Are you going to come on every week? Because that'd
(12:49):
be great And I don't know if it's be great
for you, it'd be great for me.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I would love to if you have me.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
I enjoy this, Yeah, this conversation, and hopefully by the
next time we talk, you get a Bush's care package better.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
I think would be a shame if you don't.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I'm dang right. I bet.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Not only that, but I'm ready to start like doing
some hoopid hinkle again too, because I want to like
get the whole the media group back, because we got
a lot of young people on the media and I
know they can't play and they all suck. But I'd
like to try to get that back going on Tuesday again.
If they wouldn't mind.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Let's style that up.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
Man.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
I would love you know, I think that'd be I
have no interest in participating, but I would love to.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Uh, I would love the entertainment. I'll referee. How about that?
Speaker 1 (13:35):
You know who I used to play with all the time.
He's now in wes lof Hed, Terry Johnson. I used
to kick that ass. Let me tell you about that.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Oh boy. I know. That's why I feel comfortable in
saying this.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Your phone line, your phone lines are going to be
ringing off the hook.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
I know it all.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Right, man, Hey Grant, it's good to hear from me.
We can do this every week if you on. I
love it, ippreciate it.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Yeah, man, thanks for having me and go dog.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
But are they any more Automotive Group pile line they
probe of Beach Grove was Mike Chapel of CBS four
and Fox fifty nine.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
I'm gonna start right here. With the Kevin.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Warren angle now of northwest Indiana being in play, how
might carly ERSA. Gordon and ownership of the Colts feel
about that ploy.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
I don't know why you would be against it that.
I mean, you're not talking about moving it to Carmel.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
So the fact, well, you can't take away the armpit
from us.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
All.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
We've got to have some armpit support, don't we.
Speaker 6 (14:41):
Well, yeah, this might spruce up that corner of the state.
I would, but this isn't like this isn't like seventeen
moving and they're moving, you know, to Louisville to where
teams would have a problem. So I don't think that
they would have an issue with it. It would sort
of be yeah, come on down or you know, to
that part, and it would be a smack on Chicago's
(15:04):
what it would be. It would look bad on them.
But I'm telling you, and I posted her on Social
I've got some real estate that we can haggle over
the price. Well, yes, they could have it. They could
break ground immediately in Beech Grove if they want to.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Let me tell you this, Mike, we could put that
bad boy in lett in Indiana, in the heart of
Green County, on the other side of the river, the
bad side of the river right there.
Speaker 6 (15:30):
There's always options. Sometimes there are bad options.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yeah, it's just kind of funny because I know that's
why the Bears hired Kevin Warren to really get this
going and put this thing into place. And you can
tell I know a lot of people think, well, you
know what, it is a reality that no other in
northwest Indiana is an option, but others kind of view
it as well. This is kind of a leverage builder
(15:54):
for Kevin and Warren and the Bears on a project
that he was supposed to get going that is low
a foot right now.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
Well, everything's leverage. Everything's leverage and in putting the squeeze
on people. And you know we've seen this, you know,
back in the day on you know, teams threatening to
move to LA or whatever and to get a sweeter
deal where you're at. So it's all a game they play.
This will probably be back where they anticipate. Was it
origin Heights? Is that what it is. I'm not that
(16:22):
up on.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah all in tonights, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (16:25):
So that it will probably be they just want to
get something better from that area and then but it's
a cool story that for a short time the Indian
Animals had another app protein.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Hey, by the way to Pacer fans, Carl Anthony Towns
and Josh Hart out tonight, Mitchell Robinson and og Nanobi
available for the Knicks, Knicks and Paces.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
The Knicks are the whatever.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Who cares the Emirates Cup champions, nobody cares about that.
They get the Paces coming up here downtown about a
block from where we are right now, coming up at
game House later off to night. My chapel of CBS
four and Fox fifty nine is so again why the difference?
Speaker 2 (17:05):
And I think I know why, but I want your
thoughts on it.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Between how the situation was described regarding Anthony Richardson from
his head coach Shane Steichen and then himself earlier today.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
Well, I think I sort of viewing it from a
different angle than a lot of people are. I can't
know what I think is going to happen, and I'm
going to be surprised if Richardson plays this year. I
just am now, is he gets out there against Houston, fine,
then I was wrong. But I don't know how much
(17:41):
difference there is in what was said. The problem with
Changstune is he doesn't give us. He doesn't always give
us specifics. And some of it is you seems don't
want to do that, and some of it is there
are hip rules and and here I please, I'm not
(18:03):
I'm not defending Shane sike and I'm not. But the
most we were going to get today about the eye
is there's vision limitations that we asked. You know, a
couple of guys asked, what are the limitations? Is it vision?
Is it peripheral vision? And they're not going to get
into that.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
You know from Shane sikeen is is he's being cleared
to practice from the from the fractured eye and from
the from the vision standpoint, he's still limited vision. I
don't think they know how the limited vision is going
to impact playing a position that requires requires your you know,
your full vision just to see things coming and to
(18:41):
see things opening up. And he hasn't practiced in eleven weeks.
And then when we talked to Richardson today, I thought
the furtherest key went was. I asked him, do you
envision yourself playing this year? He said, I do. He said,
you know, this is the game I love. He didn't say, damn,
I want to play. Uh, but but he made it
(19:02):
very clear that he wants to play.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
He didn't want to sound like a woosie. He didn't
want to sound like cap out guy.
Speaker 6 (19:08):
Yeah yeah, I mean, yeah, I'll let you go there.
But but I know what you're saying. But he didn't
say I'm ready to play right now. And because he's not,
he can't be. He can't be in football shape. But
because part of the Southern with that fractured eye, if
you can't run around him, you can't jar the fractured
(19:29):
orbital bone part even after it was it was, you know,
addressed and fixed it, and the stitches in the eye
and all that. So he's gonna fractured face for craning
out loud. So it's gonna take some time to really
not do. I guess what ride the stationary bike. I
guess you can do. So. I don't know how far
he is away from actually playing a game. I do
(19:53):
think there's a level where the team is concerned of
him getting not even getting hurt, but you're mading fractured
orbital because the way Anthony Richardson plays, he's gonna get hit.
He just is. They're not going to ring him back.
If he comes back and have him hand off thirty times,
he'll play his game. Uh do I think it'll be
(20:15):
this year? Probably not now? Having said that, if you
want to get him out there for three or four
plays and running gimmicks and and all that, okay, but
then he's getting hit on those. So I don't know. Again,
I think the difference is that the Colts haven't been
real I guess detailed in Okay, First, he's being cleared
(20:37):
like on Monday, he's been cleared for physical activity. Well
a lot of us would say, well, I mean because
he's throwing and running, Well, then he's ready for football activities.
Well that was the leap that I took. And then
and then today he's at there. He's at there practicing,
but he's not you know, practicing if you know what
I mean. He's he's being eased into it. So I
(20:59):
I I don't know. You know, they ruled him not
for Monday, so I'm glad they said that. But the
last two games could d M play. I guess in
my mind, I think they they've they've approached the last
part of the season. As you know, these last two games,
if we win, we got a chance not to to
throw them away Seattle or Frisco, and they start their
(21:22):
beats uh Seattle. But it's kind of like they're pouring
everything into the last two games. I think there's a
chance Buckner plays this week and maybe saw guard room
next week. But I just I think right now they're
so committed to Phillip forever that Kee Richardson comes back
to be the backup, uh for this game or two.
(21:46):
I don't know. It's one though that when you don't
get really specific from the team point of view, it
leaves it leaves speculation to well, maybe, you know, maybe
Monday he's gonna and maybe maybe next week against Jacksonville.
People just have to realize he's not practiced in eleven
(22:07):
weeks now.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
They want to squash that, don't they. That's that's part
of this.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Tiken's boy was trying to squash the thought that he
was going to be available.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
That's the way I well.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
But the problem is no one knows that, Okay, not
available not this week, of course, but they're not going
to say and he's not going to fight next week.
They're not going to do that. I would expect him
to do that. This is going to be a week
to week thing and changing that the dress it every week. Well,
what about this week where we'll see and what we're
going to get is where we'll see how he progresses,
because that's all that's all they can do and all
(22:41):
I would expect him to do. I would not expect
him to play Jacksonville, maybe Houston, and then you want
to put a guy who hasn't played in you know,
thirteen fourteen weeks to go out against Houston, which has
got the best defense in the league, and they're going
to beat the heck out of you because they're that good.
It's a difficult situation. Does he need to play before
(23:04):
the off season to show that he's okay? I don't know.
He's going to be the same quarterback. It's not like
this time off he's developed more accuracy, you know. I mean,
he's still a fifty percent passer. So I don't know
what he needs to prove before the off season. I
really don't know what he needs to prove.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
To Mike Chapel of CBS four and Fox with the
don he's on the Andy Moore on the Money Group
pole line, So curious your thoughts on Seattle on Sunday. Obviously,
at quarterback, forty four year old Philip Rivers kept them minute,
but did he also help in the cause of keeping
them from winning it considering his limitations down the field?
Speaker 6 (23:48):
Right? I thought that was that was an example of
a pitcher pitching a perfect game for eight innings and
then giving him a lee off home run in the
bottom of the ninth and you get beat more than nothing.
They did almost everything right offensively, they did, but they
(24:12):
left a few plays on the field. They did almost
everything right special teams. I mean, you got a sixty
yard field goal by Groopie for crying out loud, but
then on the ensuing kickoff it was a little bit
short and it gave them a little bit shorter of
a field, and then the defense they held them out
of the end zone. No touchdowns in two of fifteen
(24:32):
on third downs and fifty yards rushing two point three yards,
yet you couldn't make a play on the last drive.
It was like the Kansas City game where you did
so much right, and then you can't get out the
field when you've got the game in your hands. If
you ask any defensive player anytime, Hey, we're going to
give you an eighteen to sixteen lead, forty seconds to
(24:55):
play the balls on their thirty seven and sign me
up and you've got you've got the closes or they
didn't do it. And it's like I said that right now,
they're playing just good enough to lose, and that's where
they're stuck. And you can't. You can't play that way
against Seattle in San Francisco and Jacksonville and Houston. And
(25:21):
you know they've got to do more this week. Whether
whether Rivers can't, I don't know. They've got they've got
to find a way to get the ball down the
field to pierce they do, because until they show that
they can at least have a threat down field, JK
is going to have eight to nine man boxes and
it's just tough to run when it's like that. So
I stinking, and Jim Bob Tudorkin came up with some
(25:45):
former fashion to open things up to where they give
JT a chance to get to the second level and
break some plays.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Hey, Mike, would you have designed a couple of long
ball kind of jump ball throws to Alex Pierce on
Sunday just for you know, just for the reason of
loosening things up.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
You have to try to do something.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
That's one of the things that cross my mind on
Sunday that they never did until, you know, obviously at
the end of the game situation.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
When they need to that way.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And that's the thing. But they were
so concerned and rightfully so, of not getting the quarterback hit.
And I mean, you know, they average four point four
yards a pass a tempt or something, and that's just
that's Matt Ryan level and you can't you can't win
like that. But they got really lot quickly. They had
(26:39):
the screens and the short passes and you know, the
touchdowns and downs on that shell across her. But I
thought they were so conscious of not having him hold
the ball, and you can't, you know, if you're going
to take your shot to deep, you've got to hold
the ball for a few seconds to get Pierce a
chance to get downfield. But I do think, yes, I
(26:59):
think they need to do that. And then, oh, by
the way, Braden Smith's out for the season. You know,
you've got a rookie playing right tackle, and we don't
know about you know, Bernie Ryman with his elbow. He
didn't practice today, so you may have Luke Canuda playing
left tackle. So everything that you want to do, you're
(27:20):
limited by a quarterback who really can't move very well.
He couldn't move very well when he played. And you've
got two very very inexperienced tackles playing. So it's it's
what you want to do and what you're able to do,
or two totally different things. Especially now.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
To Mike Chappell of CBS four and Fox withuty done,
you mentioned the Forest bucknering your thoughts on his return Monday,
and where are we with Sauce Gardner right now on
that secondary I.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
When we talked to buck last week, he just didn't sound.
He didn't have his usual bubble in his voice where
he was so upbeat. I didn't and he didn't play
this that last week, which which is how it turned out.
This week. We'll see that he was. He was full
practice today and this will be against his old team
(28:12):
on Monday night, and you still got playoff hopes. I
think this is the game where where but they're gonna
have to hold him back. They'll have to take his
helmet so that he doesn't play. I just think that's
how he's built. We were joking and sometimes I say, well,
this is a this is a horseshoe guy. When they
signed somebody, Well the fourth Buckner is a horseshoe guy.
(28:34):
He is. I mean, if you could ever draw draw
up what you want, what you want a player to be,
this is this is it. And he's a damn good
player to boot. So I think he plays. Sauce Gardner,
I don't know. I not practicing today, in my mind's
not ideal. We'll see tomorrow again. Maybe he's one of
those guys that you're they're really pointing on. You know,
(28:56):
if we get if we can get to these last
two games and five a way to win them, then
we've got a chance. Uh. But I think they got
a beat Frisco. I really do. But but I I
just wonder, well, well, well don't tomorrow. If Sauce doesn't
practice tomorrow, then in my mind, he's not playing. But
they just got they just they need their they need
(29:18):
their defensive players back buck and and Sauce. They're not
getting money war back the next year, So they just
don't have many difference makers. They just don't you know,
the two ends aren't aren't giving you what you need
with city pay and lattu uh. And I'm curious how
they're going to cover George Kittle. You know, that's a
(29:41):
lot of times that's linebacker territory and that that can't
be so again, Frisco's got you know, this game is
all about difference makers, and they've got two or three
and and Kittle and McCaffrey are at the top of
the list. So I think this is this is a
winnable game. But Friscoll's got some pretty good players. You
(30:03):
got you got to account for.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Mike Chapel of CBS four and Fox fifty nine. How
do you view Shane Steichen and Chris Ballard and their gigs?
And I guess I'll ask you this from the angle,
what if they lose out?
Speaker 2 (30:20):
And I know that's the negative, but if they.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Lose out, Because here's why I say this, You go
back to the trade deadline, and I thought that everybody's
coming back because of what they invested in Sauce Gardner
to win right now. So to me, that dictated that
everybody was coming back. But if they were to fade
out of the playoff picture in the fashion in which
we have seen them so far for the rest of
(30:45):
the season, does that change things at all?
Speaker 6 (30:48):
For you? Boy, living seven a row in the season
would be so difficult, And it's very possible it is
maybe maybe how they finish, not wins and losses. But
you know, is it eighteen to sixteen, is it twenty
one to twenty? Is it you know in these last
(31:08):
games where boy, you were right there, does that change?
You know? Does the end result over overwhelmed, overwhelm the
how you played hard and didn't win. I don't know.
Carly and her sisters have Primarily Carly has such a
decision to make because it's easy. It's easy to sit
(31:30):
there and say, you know, when Dander Jones was healthy,
we were taking ass we were doing some good things.
And you lose your starting quarterback and your back up
quarterback as a freak eye injury, and then you lose Buckner,
and then then you lose your three best defense to
players Butner, Mooney and Sauce Gardner. So I don't know
(31:53):
that It's a really good question, and it's not an
easy answer.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
It's not are you with me right now?
Speaker 1 (32:00):
I'm thinking that they're all back because I think right
now they're all back. But the final three games I
think may dictate the tempo on this thing a little bit.
Speaker 6 (32:08):
I think so too. Now if they go out there
and have a New York Giants game where they just
get their pants pulled down, you know, that's different, that's different,
and that could change things. I don't think that happens.
But you know, like the defense can only play so
long like it did in Seattle, and then my overall
(32:28):
talent wins out. But that's a good point. I think
it matters not so much the wins and losses. I
hope they win one just because just because of it,
let's say optics, if no other reason. But it's almost
more important how they finish. You know, they don't have three,
three or four turnovers of the game and the defense
(32:50):
just gets rolled. Then you have then maybe your your
your your mindset changes. I just don't see this team
going belly up. I just don't. Before they need to
get some players back, They need to get Buck back,
they need to get Gardner back, because this is this
game is still about players. I just my issue is
(33:14):
I don't. I don't know how when you've got such
a limited offense, how you can't keep playing eighteen to
sixteen games. You can't do it. That's right, hard on
the rest of the team.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
The nineteen sixties mentality doesn't work here, right, And it
just its a great topic, yep, Mike, Mike. I'll look
at Philip Rivers on Sunday as somebody that kept you
in it and did a nice job of making sure
you navigate. But one of the biggest reasons why you
end up losing is because you couldn't stretch it whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
And that is just what you have to do in
this era of the NFL. There's no way around it.
Speaker 6 (33:54):
It was like two hundred and fifteen yards total offense.
You can't, Yeah, you can't. You can't win that way,
you know. So they've got to And again this year
they're what six when it's twenty points for fewer and
that's what it's been during this during this streak where
they're not winning and losing four out of five whatever
it is, Uh, try out of six, I guess. So again,
(34:17):
you got to score it. Just it just puts too
much pressure on every other area that they can't, you know,
the defense because the offense can't score a special team.
Can you imagine if Ruby misses a couple of field
goals in a game, it puts too much. And he's
when they when they signing, he had missed the.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Most vehicles in the league. And Mike Styke has played
for Saints.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Tyke has played for sixty yarders to like win games
twice this year.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
That's incredible to me.
Speaker 6 (34:49):
That's just that's just not the way you can do it. Uh.
And it took a great back shoulder throw and catch
the piers and then a couple of plays later to
get in position for that. So that's just not the
that's not a formula at all. That's where they are.
But no, you and I are in the same page.
They've got to find a way. And I'm sure Reggie
(35:10):
Wayne would say, amen, brother, that they've got to get
the ball down the field because when you don't, everybody
is up with the line of scrimmage and it's just
hard to play offense like that. I don't care what
level you're at.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Mike, appreciate you. We'll see you on Monday night in
the press box.
Speaker 6 (35:26):
Thank you, be well, buddy.
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