December 2, 2025 • 48 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
What's going on? I am fantastic. I am headed your
way on Thursday. Come up for the Yeah, we'll be
up there for the Big Ten Championship game. I'm covering
it with CBS Sports. We're sending a crew. I'll be
on set with Cardlee Jones, former Ohio State quarterback Jenny Dell,
who does a great job as a sideline reporter for
CBS's Big Ten package. So yeah, man, I'm fired up. Yeah, wait, Dan,
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I'm gonna have to bring a parka.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Yeah yeah, well yeah, the weather, the weather is taking
an unfortunate turn. However, tiebreakers on Mass f on what
do you do on Friday afternoon? I can say tiebreakers.
I've got the refreshments for you, Danny, Right, I may
not have much, but I've got the adult refreshments for everybody.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
All right, have your producer text me your info.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
And I'll tell you, Yetta Man, Well, we would we
would absolutely love to see you. So we'll go ahead
and I'll tell you what. Let's start with the Heisman race.
How do you have it right now? And how might
some of these performances here on the inbound end up
affecting that race.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I think that's probably the biggest thing at stake in
this game, is the Heisman Trophy because win or lose
both teams advancing. Sure, maybe there's a buy on the
line if it gets sideways one or the other, but
I think the Heisman Trophy is probably going to be
won or lost in this game. Now there is a
chance because as much as people have talked about Ohio
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States defense, no one's really talking about Indiana's defense, who
has been unbelievable, the second and scoring in the country.
If let's say Fernando Mendozi and Julian Thang go head
to head and it's more of a defensive battle and
it's a seventeen to fourteen game, they kind of don't
do much. Diego Pave is just lurking. Now he's sitting
in the clubhouse right he doesn't have to play anymore,
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and he's already booked a ten game season, and he's
been phenomenal for Vanderbilt. He's taking that place, you know,
that programmed place as it hasn't been. I think he
could steal it. But I really I've been saying for
a month that I think the winner is gonna come
from the Big Ten Championship game. I do think one
of those quarterbacks, and I've loved I mean, I'm selfish.
I'd love to see him both go toe to toe
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and make it even harder on Heisman voters see him
have a great back and forth type game. But I
do think that the Heisman Trophy is probably won in
this game.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
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As it stands, I think minus five and a half
that is Ohio State. And we know about what happened
in Columbus a year ago in November to IU and
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that road test against the Buckeyes, how things might or
certainly for IU from their angle, need to change coming
up on Saturday night in that championship game.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
You know, it's funny. I was talking to Kirk Signetti
probably in early October, I mean I think it was
before they played Oregon, and I just asked them a
question similar like what needs to be different? What did
you learn from playing against Ohio State last year and
Notre Dame in the playoffs? And he goes simple, he goes,
we need more dudes. I mean that was his answer,
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and they went out and got them. Like this is
a different roster that is upgraded. This team is better
across the board as it's in its entirety. So I
think that's the big thing that's different about this year
is Indiana is a better football team. And I think
that's great news. And I think they, you know, they've
kind of people again have time to take shots about
their schedule. But the win in Eugene, I think has
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looked better and better as the season has gone on,
because I think Oregon is a really good football team
and Indiana went in there and dominated that game physically,
Like that was a thing that jumped out to me
so I don't think there'll be any question of if
they have the dudes that can go toe to toe
with Ohio State. And with that being like in Ohio
State has probably the best roster in the country, Indiana
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is not that far behind. Sure, they don't have the
star power of Jeremiah Smith and Caleb Downs, two guys
are probably going to go, you know, in the top
ten of the drafts whenever they're draft eligible, because Jeremiah
Smith can't even come out now and Carnel Tate is
an incredible wide receiver. But I mean, I've seen what
the Indiana can do. You know, Omar Cooper stepped up
when the logess surat since he's been hurt, Loijas Torot.
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If he's health he's as good as anybody in the country.
They've got an offensive line that's been upgraded. So I
do think this Indiana team is just a better football
team across the board.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Wow, and you mentioned that krit Signetti told you in
October that they needed better dudes have And to me,
I think it's easily the offensive line and the voice
of the Hoosiers. Don Fisher's a friend of mine. He
told me doing the summertime Hey, the thing you're going
to notice the most is what you're going to see
on the defensive and the offensive lines, and an upgrade
maybe to a point of physicality that we've never seen
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with an IU football program. But for you, where has
that dude upgrade been most noticeable this season?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Oh? I think it's very clear. It's the offensive and
defensive line. When you look at the offensive line alone,
you know, they went out and got Pat Coogan, the
center from Notre Dame, and they got Khalel Benson. They
went out and got some guys in the portal to
help lift it up. They got a defensive end and
Stephen Daily. You know, they've got some weapons there to
add in, and they got more depth. That's the thing
that probably jumps out, And that's really the difference because
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there's a lot of teams, like everybody's got a even
at Indiana and you know, really since Kirkson that he's
gotten there, everybody has four stars and five stars. It's
just how many of them do you have? And even
then it's like everybody that are backups, but how many
do you have so that when you start getting injuries
or you start getting into that the grind of the
season when it's Week twelve or it's the Big Ten
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championship game, that you can roll deeper and that your
backup comes in to give your starter a rest, and
it's not that much of a difference. It's not a
huge drop off. That's I think in general, is just
the depth on the offensive and defensive line for Indiana,
where they're that much deeper and by the way, they're
that much more physical.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Danny Knell IF CBS and bet online dot AG He's
joining us and Andy Moore Automotive Group Potline. Who's been
most impressive to you this season from a Heisman angle?
Has it been Mendoza or has it been saying.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
So? I think they're both awesome, and I don't. I'll
just be honest with you. I don't love Diego Pavia's antics.
Like I would prefer my quarterback to handle himself the
way that Fernando and Julian saying handle themselves. But I
you know, watching Vanderbilt and how much he has to
put the team on his back, there's a really strong
case that he's the best quarterback, the best most valuable
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player in college football. But I do think like this
is a massive upgrade, And that was the one thing
because I was pretty familiar with Fernando Mendoz's game at Cal.
You know, I've watched him a lot last year, saw
what he did on a pretty bad football team, saw
his escapability, and knew he would bring leadership. So I
thought they were gonna get a significant upgrade, and they have,
and he's operated close to flawless for most of the season.
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And then I think Julian Saying has been like I
was very skeptical for a guy that's a freshman. Granted
he's a red shirt, he was there last year, but
for him to step in and complete, you know, almost
eighty percent of his passes and even with the weapons,
even against you know, lesser competition when they're two touchdown favorites,
to complete eighty percent in you know, over the course
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of an entire season, there's a lot of guys and
I kids do not there's a lot of starters that
wouldn't be able to do that in seven on seven drills.
To do that in competition is just outstanding. And I
thought he really and both of them see that's and
that's I've really been impressed with both of them. I
think this is going down to the wire because I
was impressed with Mendoza, Like you always want to see
how a quarterback does when he's faced with adversity, and
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I thought what he was facing against Penn State. The
entire game, he was not having his best game. He
was getting a lot of pressure, and even on the
last drive of the game. You remember, I'm sure you do,
the way it started off was a sack. You know,
his face was second and twenty two when he just
steps up and boom right down the field. And the
drive and the throws, not only the last one, but
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several of the throws were big time throws. I was like, oh,
you know, you've got a guy, And I really haven't
seen that from Julian saying, although I will say for
what he did last week, he kind of had his
little bit of adversity when he threw a pick early
in the game against Michigan, and all of a sudden,
the crowd's enthusiastic, and I was very curious to see
how he responded, and he responded in a big way.
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I mean, he had three touchdowns over all the game.
That was really his own mistake. But I still do
feel better about Mendoza because he's been in more adverse situations.
More when you look up at the scoreboard, it's like, man,
we need to drive, And whether those were at Cow
or Indiana this year, I feel more confident and yet
Julian saying, there's no reason to doubt him, but he
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really hasn't been in that position where he's been trailing
in the second half. So I'm very, very curious if
Indiana can do that, if they can make him uncomfortable,
and even in the fourth quarter, if it's a fourth
quarter game, that can impact you a little bit differently.
Every window gets a little bit tighter, there's that much
more pressure, and mistakes are magnified. That's the one thing
I'm very curious to see about, Julian saying, but I
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feel very good about Mendoza bouncing back no matter what
the situation is.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
He is Danny Canell with us on the Andy Moore
Automotive Group plotline. There have been many to question whether
or not having a championship game does really either one
of these two teams in general any good in terms
of losing. Certainly now it may be old hats in
the past to a house because the hell they didn't
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even make it a year ago and still we saw
what they did. But for Indiana and it's fan base,
this is absolutely a level of incredible that they have
never seen. So I'm maintain that is still important. But
do you have an argument for this maybe working against
either team in this case and and the overall usefulness
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of this championship game situation maybe not being what the
fan base here is excited about seeing coming up on
Saturday night.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
I think conference championships in general have been completely diminished.
Now there is some you know, there's some value in them,
especially if you're the Big twelve and r BYU. You win,
you're in. If you don't, you're out. The a SEC,
you know, I don't know. I really hope it's not Duke,
and they have to look at a seven and five
team looking at the playoffs and probably on the outside end,
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and then the ACC might not get a team in.
But clearly it's big for Virginia and Duke they have
to win. But the SEC and Big ten, I just don't.
They don't bring any value whatsoever. And I am old school,
like I I liked you and I appreciate it. That
was always one of our goals that Florida State was
to win the ACC. But I've never I have four
ACC championship rings. I've never really bragged about him, but
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I love talking about my national championship, like that's the
one that resonates. I work with Damian Harris, he played
at Alabama and he was trying to say, oh, the
SEC championships they matter to SEC players, They're just different.
And I asked him, I'm like, I've never heard you talk.
I asked him, I said, who did you beat in
your SEC championships? He couldn't even remember, but he can
remember who he beat in his three national title games.
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You know. It's just it's different from a perspective. And
then now with the playoffs, it really it just doesn't
fit in our playoff system. It really doesn't bring you
any benefit. Now, I do think it'd be an amazing accomplishment,
and I don't want to diminish that. If Indiana wins
this Big ten and they're a Big ten champion, that
is unbelievable. But I still think Kirk Signetti and this
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fan base and these players, they want to win a
national championship. You know, I think that's the end goal.
That's that's what everybody plays for in Indiana is elevated
to a place where that's their goal as well. So
I look at it, I'm just I wonder where I
think we're They're probably going to go extinct within five years,
and they're going to figure out a playoff system where
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this weekend is really a first round of the playoff games,
and I think that'll be a better system because I'm
used to watching sports like NFL and NBA and professional
bab MLB when once postseason play starts, it's win in advance,
lose and go home, and it's just weird to lose
and not have to go home, and like where does
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that do to your psyche? And really, in football, which
is such a dangerous game, you know, there's nothing really
good that can come out of it, especially if you've
secured your spot. There's only injuries that can happen. So
I just think that we're in this weird spot right
now with all these issues college football is facing. That's
just one of many.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
It's weird too because when you say think about it,
then if this turns into like a weekend if playoff games,
then these playoff teams are going to be done before
the Bowl season even gets either way, which is really
awkward too.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yeah, the ball system I think is going to have
to be re tweaked two And you know, I guess
you could look at it where it's similar to the
basketball where there's the n I T Tournament and maybe
that's what the Bulls turn into is sort of and
that's kind of always what they have been. It's still
a reward for teams that win seven or eight games
and don't make the playoff. But we still have that now,
you know where, and we saw that in the four
team playoff where you'd have a couple of games after
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the first first round of the first four teams playing
in the semifinals. It still feels weird and I don't
think it doesn't make much sense. But that's the that's
the beautifully flawed system that we're working with.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
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BYU is going to be set with coming up as well.
What do you think is ultimately going to be the
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odd team out in the playoff scenario here.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
So tonight is actually the first ranking besides the first
one when you're kind of curious of where is the
committee going to have all these teams adjusted tonight? Because
I've been bored the last two Tuesdays. I've been kind
of bored, like there's nothing really that was going to
change tonight. I think you're gonna learn a lot. And
I think the debate between Miami and Notre Dame is
going to be interesting. What do we learn today? Did
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Miami potentially jump Notre Dames? Does that get them in there?
And I think there's some teams that are really in
a dicey spot because of the BYU situation and because
the ACC situation, Like it's just like if you see
Duke win. I do think that opens up the door
for James Madison potentially be a second group of Hot team,
which is nuts, and I don't think they should get in.
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I'd rather them say, you know what, we're going to
take a fifth, you know, SEC team or a fourth
or fifth Big ten team as opposed to those teams.
It might sound elite US, but the group of five
is a different level. It's just a different level. That's
why we call it something different. But I do think BYU.
If BYU wins, that could put potentially Alabama in trouble.
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If they lose the SEC championship game, it could put
Notre Dame in trouble if they're right on the bubble,
and that could bump them out. I mean BYU is
the ultimate bid steeler that we could see happen. And
then I do wonder what the committee does if Georgia
against Bama. If Georgia wins big, and I'll say big,
it's like seventeen to twenty one points, I think Alabama's
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playoff spot is very much in jeopardy. And then you'll
hear the clamoring from Greg Sankee saying, why are we
playing these SEC championship games if there's if one of
our teams that was in is going to get left out.
But I do think Alabama is in jeopardy, especially if
BYU knocks off Texas Tech and then you have two
big twelve teams.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Yeah, it's funny about that. And moving on to the
whole coaching thing, and obviously the lane Kiff and Saga
took over college football over the weekend and it's more
a month. Yeah, it's more. Yeah, it's more funny than
anything I think. But I think it magnifies to me
what Scott Dolson the i UA D did in sidestepping
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any controversy whatsoever. In a lot of people question how
much money and what they did to invest in Kurt Signetti.
But clearly, in this college football landscape, certainly now, that
was the right move to make what's best for your
team now and certainly unprecedented territory, what should be what
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is best for your program for the future. I think
that decision earlier this season is even more magnified with
this stink and soap opera. As you mentioned, we had
to deal with with Ole Miss and LSU and Laney
Kiff in the last month.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yeah, it's it's nuts. The college football economy makes no
sense whatsoever. I'm going to read you a quote from
Louisiana's governor that he and that he made after they
fried Brian Kelly. He said, we are not going down
a failed path. The guy that's here now that wrote
that contract cost Texas A and M, you know, seventy
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some million dollars. Right now, he's got a fifty three
million dollar liability. We are not doing that again. They
just did it again. Yeah, they just they just paid
lame Kiff in ninety million dollars. It's probably all fully guaranteed.
If it doesn't work out in four years, they're gonna
be sitting on forty million dollars. They're gonna have to
pay him to fire him. And and I just the
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football economy makes no sense. And I love I think
Kirk Signetti is a great coach, but even at the time,
I was like, you know, this is any program ever
gonna say, you know what, We're not gonna make that mistake.
And again, this is not a knock on Kirk Sinnetti.
I said the same thing about Rhet Lashley and Matt Ruhle.
By the way, I wonder how Nebraska fans since Matt rule,
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you know, got his extension and they kept him and
secured him at Nebraska so that he wouldn't leave the
Penn State. They're two and two, they haven't been very good,
and now they're quarterbacks thinking about leaving like they could
already be regretting the extension that gave Matt Ruhle. It's
just at some point I do wonder if any athletic
director or administration across the country is like, we're not
falling for it. We'll go find another coach. If you
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want to leave, go ahead. But yet they're all terrified
because if kerkcinnatty would have left to Penn State, I'm
glad he didn't. I'm glad he stayed and he would
have won a national championship with Penn State in year one.
Indiana fans who lived like, what are we doing? Why'd
we let him go? So I understand it, but it
is just such an It's like it's funny money, you know,
it really is. It's just like monopoly money that's just
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being spent.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Well, it just too but you have to I think
now try and you're watching Ole Miss protect your assets
as much as possible. And I think with IU in terms,
this is such new territory that I don't know what
else you would do, And certainly in this new landscape
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you mentioned the economic landscape of college athletics in general here,
but the new LANDSCA gave to where you can be
like you and I've called them the infiltrator. I mean,
like old school programs don't like it, but you can
be IU and be sustainable now because of the economic
situation that's going on and the transfer portal if you
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have a formula that clearly in the past two years,
like Kurt Signetti works. So I don't know what else
you do other than do what you did and have
to sidestep a lot of the controversy that others may
end up having to deal with.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Right and I love the fact that Indiana's good now
and Vanderbilt's good now. I mean all people wanted for
the past fifteen years was can we get somebody else
besides Alabama, Georgia, Clemson or Ohio State, you know, and
then occasionally get an LSU, but like there were really
a small group of teams that could win a national championship.
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And now that everyone's been on a level playing field
and everyone who was doing things the right way and
wasn't paying the players and was really you know, trying
to play, you know, having student app fleets now that
everyone if they want to, can invest, and now we've
seen what happens, Like Indiana's relevant and they're not going away.
Vanderbilt is relevant. They just signed a five star quarterback
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that they flipped from Georgia, Like they've gotten a little
taste of it. Now their boosters are kicking in. Last
year was Arizona State and SMU. I think it's great
for the sport because now you've got a whole You
know how many more fan bases have hope and optimism
that feel like a man. If those teams can do it,
we can too. But I do think it takes a
special coach like Kirk Signetti and a lot of financial backing,
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a commitment that Indiana has made to the Hoosier football
program that is a big reason why they're where they are,
why they are where they are, and why they're not
going anywhere.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Yeah, and it also has repercussions for every other program,
especially the upstars, the up and comers who think that
they can get there by similar measures and and they're
all out there to try this now. So it's yep,
it is incredible. It's uh Dennie Canal again CBS bet
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more for you and uh yes tiebreakers on MASSF. I'm
gonna have James, my producer, send you a message in
police we are more than welcome to join us on Friday.
We would love to have you a lot of conversation
and adult refreshments that we all enjoy. I love it.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
I'm gonna try to come by. I know, I got
a couple interviews. I'm supposed to get Kurt Signetty on Friday,
but out a round work man. I'll come out there
as soon as I'm done.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
You can decompress with us at Tiebreakers on Friday.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Thank you, thank you, Danny, appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
You got it.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
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Jeremiah Johnson. Hello, JJ, Jamie.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
How are you doing this Tuesday?
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I am outstanding? Are you doing this Tuesday?
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Well?
Speaker 3 (22:02):
What are you upset about the snow? No?
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Some guy was being pissy with me, so I was
pissy right back.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
It's a it's a pissy duel. And you know what
they're There are never any There are never any winners
in a pissing match.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Not at all, not at all.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Yeah, no, no crossing of swords or anything like that.
But yeah, never a winner there. Speaking of non winner
last night, I'm going to give it up to pass
Galciakam because you can since and how would you not
the frustration, But he just goes out there and he plays,
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and with the season as they're going through right now,
I have such a high level of admiration for that.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Yeah, I mean you thought you knew what you were
getting when you acquired him almost two years ago now
and then you learned, uh, just how special he is.
And then I think he's taking it to another level
over the last couple of months. And that's just strictly
what he's been able to do both on the court
in a scoring capacity, much more than it was ever
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asked of him over the last two seasons with the Pacers.
But then, as you said, really leading this team. And
maybe at one point in his career he was a
lead by example guy. But he is leading by example
and also with his voice and also with his actions
and some of these times when they get into some
ruts or some you know, bad stretches of the game,
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it's Pascal Siakam who is pulling them out of them,
out of those stretches. And you know, when he went
to the bench without eight minutes to play, I'm sure
there was a scenario where if they got it back
to ten or eight, they would have put it back in.
But it was almost it almost felt to me like
you've done You've done your job, You've done your duties. Tonight,
you know, you're probably gonna get us of the night off.
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If we need you, we'll call on you, but you
cannot complain about anything Pascal Siakam has done this season.
And that's what I kind of go to the arena
every single night. I look forward to watching Pascal Siakam
among others. But I mean he's the leader of the team.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Yeah, and I think that's one thing you be a fan, right,
and hey, raw Ra, I'm a fan, But I just
have like basketball admiration for a dude that you kind
of understand the situation and it's almost like you see
the consequences and you got to live with it, but
you still go out there and play your ass off.
And by the way, Jed Jay is playing consistently different
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than what he was used to playing and having that
success of a year ago. There is so much involved
in this where I have that high level of admiration
for what he's about.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
You know, I found myself having the conversation with Eddie
Gill over the first month or two of the season
about how this experience now could benefit some of the
younger players next season and when you get some of
these guys back. But actually, as crazy as it sounds,
thinks that this experience will help Pascal Siakam and it
will help those other players understand that maybe he was
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a little under utili at times over the last two seasons,
and you see now what he is capable of. And
if you just add just one player, if you just
add Tyrese Haliburton to the mix right now, or even
to say, you know, drow Aaron Nesman back out there
and Obi topping off the bench. But if you just
add Tyrese Halliburton, think about how defenses won't be able to,
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you know, make their whole game plan to stop Pascal
Siaka And if they do that, then how Tyreese will
find him? Yeah, and what he is going to be
capable of. I just hope that you know, through this season,
he doesn't wear out and you don't put too many
miles on on on Pascal Siakam. So he's ready to
go fresh next season. And I'm not saying that this
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season is over by any means, but with what he's
done right now, he is certainly he's moving up the
ladder pretty quickly. And I'm guessing a lot of fans
his favorite all time pacers.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Well, I mean, you could just see when he's out there.
Donald mcconnald didn't play in the second half last night
because of Carlisle concerns, but you can also see it
when he's out there. I am going to tell everybody.
You and I were having a text back and forth
and there was a point during the game last night
where I think I'll quote myself. I sent this to you,
I've seen enough of Garrison Matthews, and then he rattled
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off like three consecutive threes, so maybe I haven't seen enough.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Let the record stay. You initiated this text.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
I was respond no, no, no, it was all me.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
I said, I have seen enough of this guy. Because
that was right after I said that the Robinson Earle
couldn't shoot a lick, so which I think is still true.
But it's where Matthews ends up knocking down some shots
and was, you know, one of the dudes last night
in a game that I guess we were kind of
searching for dudes.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
I can understand the way that game started, and it
just kind of felt to me like those first four
or five minutes. It's probably the only time this season
where the crowd wasn't really good. I probably attributed a
little bit to the weather and maybe a Monday night,
but there have been some other Monday night games with
great crowd. So the olding just didn't have that juice,
and then the players didn't really do some of the
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things that they normally do to get the crowd into
the game, and so the atmosphere just wasn't great.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
And on the other end of.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
The court, you had Cleveland who'd lost three in a row,
and Donn Mitchell just made it his mission to make
sure that did not go to four. But with Garrison Matthews,
you know, he's a shooter, and I thought the quotes
coming out after the game where he talked with Pat Boyle,
and also, you know the article I read from Dustin
de Piriic was it was spot on and it makes sense.
You don't think about it when you're watching them. He
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had not been playing on any team and to jump
right in and not only try to understand the Pacer system,
but be expected to, you know, knock down all your
shots and granted he missed a lot of them early
takes a little bit of time. You see that from
some guys on the Pacers coming back from injury, how
it takes them, you know, seven to ten days to
really look like themselves. And so that's why it did
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make sense to me. I know, you had an extra
two weeks available where you could have picked up another
player on a ten day, then go get someone else.
How about the guy that's been here for a couple
of weeks and maybe he's underperformed a little bit for
what he's capable of, but you see a hot streak coming,
and so for however long he's here, you know he
is a shooter, and last night could be something that
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helps him for at least the rest of this week
and hopefully it works out for both him personally and
the Pacers.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Certainly, the biggest difference was Donovan Mitchell, as you reference,
but there are a couple of moments in that game
when the Pacers were on a run, I'll headed down
to eight, maybe even six at one point, and Hyrich
Proctor got a chance to reset off of some offensive
glass work which was incredibly robust, way too much for
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the Pacers to be able to handle last night for
the Cavaliers on the glass, and I thought he knocked
down a couple of big threes in moments where the
Pacers look like they're about ready to get back into.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
It, ninety six ninety towards the end of the third quarter,
you thought, all right, well they're right there despite really
not having a very good game, and he makes it
ninety nine to ninety three off of a second chance
opportunity that they got another free throw, and then all
of a sudden, they start the third quarter scoring the
first five or six points and kind of created too
much separation. So between Procter and Jalen Tyson. I mean
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that guy I was very impressed with. He made all
the hustle plays, he created some of those second chance opportunities.
And I found myself looking at that Cleveland roster and
the eight or nine players that played, and they had
six rotation players not available. Obviously, they had Evan Mobley,
and they had Donovan Mitchell, so you could argue they
had their two best players. But when those guys are back,
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I feel like Tyson has earned significant playing time and
there are a lot of teams that would like to
have what he at least was able to show everyone
last night. And granted it was one of his best games,
so maybe it's not like that every time. I don't
see every Cleveland game, but I was pretty impressed with
what jaln Tyson.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
Was able to do.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
We got to get a Jokic siding coming up tomorrow night,
and I saw, oh the Nuggets losing in dow But
the Nuggets had a bad fourth quarter. Without question, Jokic
had another pretty big triple double. But it looks like
they're they're missing some dudes, and some of the dudes
they're counting on, like Jamal Murray didn't play that well
last night. Cam Johnson hadn't played really that well so
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far this season, trying to find his role in his
fit there. But Jokich is still the dude. And if
there's one guy that I want to go to a
game and watch, which I'm going to be courtside watching
tomorrow night, it is Nikola jokicch.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
I think it's worth the price of admission. Is the
way he does things you until you see it, And
it's taken me a couple of times, you know, not recently,
but way back when he started his career, where I
was a little bit disbelieving. You know, how is he
getting all these numbers? Is he really that good? Let
me tell you, he really is that good. The passes
he makes you don't see other players make. Let's say,
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with the exception of maybe Tyres Halliburn, and he's the
center and if you give him any space, scoring's probably
is third favorite thing to do. But if you give
him space, he's gonna knock down the shot. So Rick
Carlisle said this in some of our pregame interviews. And
he's someone that you know, he takes joy in in
the assists more than the points. And that's why I
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reference Tyri Salvern because he's similar in that area. You
ask about availability. Their injury report did just come out
and Jamal Murray's listed his question, Well, they will not
have Aaron Gordon Jokic is on there, but he's listed
as probable. So by the letter of the law, he's
about a seventy five percent chance of playing. Most of
the time, when a player's listed as probable, you do
see them out there. So for your sake and all
those that want to see him in person, I hope
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he plays. I hope the Pacers you get to see
him because it makes for a better challenge.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
You want to see.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
You don't always want to see teams come in and
not have their best players, so they'll be short handed.
The Pacers, you know, are they're already short handed. But
if they have Jokic, then the Pacers have Siakam, then
you've got two stars going on it.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Yeah, the Cam Johnson thing is weird so far, and
I've watched him in a number of games and he
just I mean, he is searching for a fit right
now in any level, not just consistency, but any level
of positivity. And you know when when you lose a game,
you score forty one in the first and then seventeen
and a fourth and in your best player, the best player, arguably,
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if there is an argument in the NBA, Jokicic goes
for twenty nine twenty and sixty or twenty nine twenty
and thirteen, and you lose that game at home. That's
a rough one.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
It was crazy night in the NBA because that happened,
And you do want to tip your cap to Ryan Nemhart.
I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Did I saw that he had twenty nine for Dallas
in that one last night?
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Yeah, and on a two way contract, undrafted, so you
feel really good for him. He didn't even play in
the Pacers game against Dallas. So what I do hope
is when Indiana plays Dallas at gamebridge Field House with
the DeMar brothers will have a chance to go at
each other. But did you also see the Wizards beating
the box? So you know every one of the every
once in a while you have I watch that NBA.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
I definitely watch it. Definitely watch There's nobody more checked
out right now now then the honest in the NBA.
He is completely checked out with that group.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Well, he'd been heard, so he checked back in about it.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
He's checked out on the floor game.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Yeah, did you see that he deleted some social media posts.
Wouldn't even know how to go back and delete everything,
but yeah, it sounds like he removed some bucks from
his timeline.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Ye.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
I've said this before. The former thirty three here is
going to end up playing alongside Karl Anthony Towns and
Miles McBride up there next year, maybe even sooner than
that if we're not careful here because uh yeah, there's
uh there's not I don't think much intent for him
to stay there longer than what he will. J Jay,
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I'm going to see you tomorrow night. I'm going to
see some yok and and the pacers playing hard in
our guy Passcalciakam tomorrow night.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
I look forward to seeing you and hopefully the concession
stands at Gambridge field House will have cottage sees for you.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
They better, but they do have here, so that'd be okay.
Appreciate Ja Jay, Jeremi Johnson pass TV anymore. Automotive Group
potline right there. This is kind of the theme of
the show Mindless Manter, which I dig on the Andy
Moore Automotive Group potline. He's going to fit right in
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with the Mindless Manter by the way to Butler Eastern Michigan.
Right here, we got to go eight minutes longer and
lead into Mentor and Gardner coming up later on tonight.
The dogs and those from one of the worst states
of all time and really one of the worst towns
in the worst states of all time, Yipsilanti, Michigan, Eastern
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Michigan and Butler later ont Tonight here on the fan
Greg Greg Straw's on the Andy Moore Automativebury potline, when's
the last time you were in Yipsilante.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
The first year that I was the voice of the
then i U p Ui Jaguars, we played at Eastern
Michigan and John We pissed away a fifteen point lead
with about six minutes ago and lost by four. Thankfully,
that loss was avenged some twenty five years later by
the now IU Indie Jaguars on November the fourteenth.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Am I accurate on this? This is my recollection and
it could be failing. Is the demnuative guard Earl Boykin
front correct? Eastern Michigan?
Speaker 4 (35:20):
Yes, that is correct, and they built a new arena
right after. Earl and Derek Dile, who also played in
the NBA, were together. In fact, one of Eastern Michigan's
great moments as a college basketball team came in our
fair City. As the nine seed they beat eight seeded
Duke at the RCA Dome in nineteen ninety six. They
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thedn't built this lovely new Convocation Center seats about nine
thousand people. They have not been that good since that time,
and they play in front of a staggering number of
empty seats on a regular.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Sweet Thearret Hinkle later on to not again your coverage
right here on the fan. My Sycamores play Eureka, and
I'm assuming that I could cobble together some dudes on
Sunday morning and beat Eureka. Is Eureka from Kansas.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Eureka is from Illinois. Eureka is a Division III school,
so one of two non D one schools in Indiana State, John,
can you name the US president during our lifetime that
is an alumnus of Eureka?
Speaker 1 (36:22):
The US President of our lifetime?
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Yes, I don't know who Ronald Reagan attended and played
for football.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Why didn't I know that?
Speaker 4 (36:32):
Well, because maybe they didn't teach that at Eastern Green.
But but did you hear the Big Eastern Green news today.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Levi carmichaels on the silver Anniversary team? Did I see
that accurately?
Speaker 4 (36:43):
That is correct? So I get to recognize him at
March eighteenth at are Love Banquet at Primos on the South.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
I freaking love Levi you know, it's funny. He was
the coach there after his career and I don't think
he cost or something like that, and they ran him on.
The Hillbillies ran him off because they didn't play his
kids something like that. So he moved on to bigger
and better things. But he he is an awesome dude,
was an awesome player. One of my all time favorite
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Thunderbirds Levi Carmichael.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
If I read the note from town ennerup correctly, is
he the all time leading score in the history of
Thunderbirds basketball and less?
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Unless J. T. Yoho, who went to write State, ended
up getting past him, I believe he still would be that.
And Levi, by the way, played at Austin p collegiately.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
Fly Let's go pee.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Absolutely no great, great dude, and and honestly he deserved
better from his school that he brought so much too
when he was the head coach there. But I mean,
you know that being from Lanesville as well as I
know that a lot of other people do, sometimes you
get in that small town rule basketball politics and it's
just not something you want to jack with. And he didn't.
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I don't blame him, So that's.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
Kind of that's the great thing about Lanesville is that
we're so small. Don't play the dudes. We've got some
years that's good, some years that's not.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Hey, Greg postgame show hosts with the Colts along with
Bill Brooks. Do you expect Brian Mason and company to
find anybody, anybody more useful than Michael Bagsley during workouts
this week to lead up to Jacksonville Sunday?
Speaker 4 (38:15):
Probably not, And I mean let me. I mean again,
you expect somebody to not miss three extra points in
seven games, So let's state that out loud. But the
big concern with Badgeley was not being able to make
from fifty plus yards right, So who was available a
couple of weeks ago. Matt Gay at the same issue
when he was here, and he is now kicking. I
want to say with the forty nine ers after being
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let go by the Commanders, I mean, you get to
this point in the season, there's just not that much
left on the available market. And again, it's even even
more so now because with expanded practice squad sizes, a
lot of teams will stash a kicker on their practice
squad and so you're not getting the thirty third available guy,
you're getting like the fiftieth available guy. So I'm all
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for finding a guy that doesn't miss extra points, and
I'm sure you could do that, But if you're gonna
make a move this late in the year, you're gonna
make a movie for a guy you think is definitively better,
and I'm not sure that guy's available with five weeks
a season left to go.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
So Jacksonville at Seattle San fran uh and then Jacksonville
and Houston Y. I will say this about the Colts.
I mean, they've carved out their destiny and then kind
of brought everybody back into the photograph here, but they're
still firmly in control if they can find any footing whatsoever.
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But great to me, it starts with what is not
going on upfront, especially with that offensive line. You know
what your quarterback and his situation is right now, and
between the head coach and the offensive line, it doesn't
seem like that they're really treating Daniel Jones in the
fashion and what he's going through right now, in the
way that he should be.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
In other words, get Jonathan Taylor earlier touches and maybe
offers some more max protection.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
I mean, yeah, don't treat Daniel Jones like it's September
when he's all healthy and stuff. I mean, that's what
it reminds me of. They still try to run, and
I know that that's what the playbook is about, but
it looks like they still try to run things that
he may be incapable of running when he's compromised injury wise.
Now compared to when things were clicking and it was
rhythmic back in September.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
Well, I would say this, I have noticed a lack
of that boot that had run so well for the Colts,
as in not Daniel Jones wearing a boot, but as
in a bootleg play that was free money for the Colts,
whether it's the Warren or Taylor or even Josh downs
every time they ran it. And I'm not sure that
the Jones has the wheels right now to run that play.
So I think that is kind of off the table.
(40:39):
And obviously since the Pittsburgh game, every team has seen
that for some reason, with the Colts did against the
Blitz early in the year, just up and went away
at the middle of the year, so every team is
teeing off on him. And now you add to the
fact that he's banged up and is a less mobile
target and feels the need to get rid of the ball.
Because again, in one sense, the Colts allowed seven less
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sacks than the Bills did with Josh Allen as their quarterback.
Ten days after, you know, the Texans beat the Bills.
But the same time, Daniel had thirteen in completions and
his completion percentage was just covering about fifty percent, which
is we have known it's not exactly a winning number.
And so yes to your point, you know, maybe it's
time to go all right, let's let's change the game
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plan up to make sure we accentuate the strong point
of the team and to make sure that you are
protecting what your best available option is a quarterback by
the guy that clearly isn't a hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Greg, Gotta tell you something else is not good is
when you have to look on the roster to find
out who was actually putting pressure on the quarterback compared
to the guys that should be doing it that aren't.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
That's a fair point. When Chris Warmley got that sack,
I immediately kind of waited for some of the booth
with JJ Stankowitz during the game, I waited for JJ
to speak his piece, and I kind of looked at
it and I said, and sixty eight thousand Colts fan
just said who he was activated, you know, the day
before and at a time it was getting the other one,
and so yes, you know, defensively, I think overall, the
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Colts did what they had to do. They held the Texans.
The twenty points should have been sixteen because of the
pass interference call, so big picture culture what they needed
to do, and I think the offense ultimately failed on Sunday.
But is the pass rush getting home as much as
they should be? No, John, They're absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
It's interesting Greg Gregsaw's on and Andy Moore on a
modive group plotline. But you look at Saturday the Big
Ten title game, and IU fans were excited and they
should be. I use teams excited, they should be. Has
this become old hat and maybe not as excited for
the Ohio State folks and their team or because the
one seed and you want to maintain that you're going
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to come in there as focused as you normally would,
as excited as maybe the IU fan base is about
their program. Right now.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
I think there's two things that has Ohio State. Maybe
three things that has Ohio State hot and bothered coming
into this game. One, you just finally beat Michigan. I
mean last year you won a national championship. But they'll
civilly meet in Michigan, and that's something Michigan fans could
hold over your head. Now that is the longer the case.
So there's that. Two, I think what you talked about
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in terms of ensuring that you are the number one
seed going into the final seven bowl games, I think
that's a big deal. And Three, I think it is
the chance to get you to be the big boy
on the block and try to squash down a program
that is clearly on the rise in IU. I think
those three things are all motivating factors for that team
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coming to Indianapolis. What I am going to be very
curious about. And obviously ticket prices are to the moon, yes,
but normally in any scenario like that, Ohio State is
the de facto home team. They're playing IU in Indianapolis
and this is a first ever, first in three generations
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moment for Indiana football. Just what is the crowd split
going to be on Saturday night?
Speaker 1 (44:06):
What are you thinking?
Speaker 3 (44:07):
Is?
Speaker 1 (44:07):
What are you thinking? Because maybe it's just me being
here and you know the excitement level of IU fans.
I think IU fans are going to surprise everybody with this.
Speaker 4 (44:18):
I think it's going to be sixty forty, sixty five,
thirty five IU fans. And let me let me throw
some financial logic behind that. If you're an Ohio State fan,
even if you lose this game on Saturday night, you've
done enough to be a top four seat, So you know,
in theory, you've got at least one, if not two,
or three more games to spend for. I could easily
see scenarios where a lot of Buckeye fans had pre
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bought those tickets because let's face their Ohio State they're
planning on playing in Indianapolis every year and now selling
those to Indiana fans that don't want to miss this
once in a lifetime moment. When if you're an Ohio
State fan, this is a you know, once every December moment,
and so I think you will see more IU fans
than maybe a lot of folks would give credit for
coming into the game.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
What did you think of Friday and Saturday at Lucas
Oil Stadium. I thought there was a great deal of drama.
There was a lot of what you thought would occur
did occur, but there were some awesome football played per usual.
Speaker 4 (45:13):
Well, obviously the end of the Ron Kelly and Dwinger
game was probably the highlight of the week or the
drama of is one of these teams going to score
of Andred and Brownstown Central in terms of the two
way game at a block punt leading to the only
points of that contest. But big picture, John, this was
as competitive top to bottom as those state final games
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have been. You know, the two that I had, frankly
new Palin Meryville was close to the final score indicate
it was a seventeen old game going to the fourth quarter,
and the Brownsburg Westfield game was probably not as close
as the final score told you it was at thirty
eight thirty one, because that was a three score game
until Westfield really sorted to rally, you know, kind of
late in that game. But there was not There was
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not a massive blowout in any of those games, and
usually have at least one or two, if not even
more than that in a state's final. So I think
that was the overarching theme for the weekend at Lucas Oil.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
So do you have a paragraph carved out regarding the
great Levi Carmichael.
Speaker 4 (46:10):
Uh not yet, John, but that event is like four
months from now.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
Yeah, I'm sorry, I worked on Yeah. Well, we called
him a levee all the time. We always mispronounced his name,
and when he would when he would make those shots,
he would just simply.
Speaker 4 (46:23):
Say, the levee is never dry, right, I'm telling you
he was.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
He was a damn damn good player. And uh, and
I know that Andy Igel, who was a long time
coach down there, had a great deal uh to do
with it. I know that there was something in the
summertime he had to ride in. But yeah, and Andy
Igel is one of the better coaches in the state
of Indiana that sometimes doesn't get mentioned either, but such
an incredible high level of success. I ended up talking
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about Mark Barnheiser all the time with good reason. But uh,
it's interesting how Eastern Green has manufactured a couple of
really high level high school coaches in the past without question.
Speaker 4 (46:58):
So I'm assuming you're are uh looking at buying a
table for the event on March eighteenth, or maybe even
doing the show live from Primos on that day.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
Does the bar open the bar is always talking. Do
you know that Dean Martin Junior right here is always ready,
willing and able when the bar is open.
Speaker 4 (47:17):
Well, I'll talk to hol versus a mean sponsor. We'll
work them in.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
All good, All right, brother, I appreciate that. I miss
you on Saturday nights less than a month though we're
counting down again.
Speaker 4 (47:26):
I'm calling you next Saturday with Fernando and Abba. Whether
you're on the air or not, it's all good.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
Hey.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
By the way to saying or Mendoza, is that going
to be the winner of the Heisman from this game?
Or is there going to be Love from Notre Dame?
Speaker 4 (47:38):
I was gonna say it all depends on if the
quarterback playing is that strong. The the quarterback then have
to be lights out. Uh. And so if they kind
of play to a draw, it opens up the door
for Jeremiah Love. But if if Mendoza has a great
game and I you wins, put his name on the
trophy right.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Now, Greg, I appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
Man.
Speaker 4 (47:58):
See you about it.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
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Danni Canell, who joins us now again on the Andy
Moore Automotive Group Potline. Hello, Danny, how are you?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
What's going on? I am fantastic. I am headed your
way on Thursday. Come up for the Yeah, we'll be
up there for the Big Ten Championship game. I'm covering
it with CBS Sports. We're sending a crew. I'll be
on set with Cardlee Jones, former Ohio State quarterback Jenny Dell,
who does a great job as a sideline reporter for
CBS's Big Ten package. So yeah, man, I'm fired up. Yeah, wait, Dan,
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I'm gonna have to bring a parka.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Yeah yeah, well yeah, the weather, the weather is taking
an unfortunate turn. However, tiebreakers on Mass f on what
do you do on Friday afternoon? I can say tiebreakers.
I've got the refreshments for you, Danny, Right, I may
not have much, but I've got the adult refreshments for everybody.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
All right, have your producer text me your info.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
And I'll tell you, Yetta Man, Well, we would we
would absolutely love to see you. So we'll go ahead
and I'll tell you what. Let's start with the Heisman race.
How do you have it right now? And how might
some of these performances here on the inbound end up
affecting that race.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I think that's probably the biggest thing at stake in
this game, is the Heisman Trophy because win or lose
both teams advancing. Sure, maybe there's a buy on the
line if it gets sideways one or the other, but
I think the Heisman Trophy is probably going to be
won or lost in this game. Now there is a
chance because as much as people have talked about Ohio
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States defense, no one's really talking about Indiana's defense, who
has been unbelievable, the second and scoring in the country.
If let's say Fernando Mendozi and Julian Thang go head
to head and it's more of a defensive battle and
it's a seventeen to fourteen game, they kind of don't
do much. Diego Pave is just lurking. Now he's sitting
in the clubhouse right he doesn't have to play anymore,
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and he's already booked a ten game season, and he's
been phenomenal for Vanderbilt. He's taking that place, you know,
that programmed place as it hasn't been. I think he
could steal it. But I really I've been saying for
a month that I think the winner is gonna come
from the Big Ten Championship game. I do think one
of those quarterbacks, and I've loved I mean, I'm selfish.
I'd love to see him both go toe to toe
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and make it even harder on Heisman voters see him
have a great back and forth type game. But I
do think that the Heisman Trophy is probably won in
this game.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
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As it stands, I think minus five and a half
that is Ohio State. And we know about what happened
in Columbus a year ago in November to IU and
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that road test against the Buckeyes, how things might or
certainly for IU from their angle, need to change coming
up on Saturday night in that championship game.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
You know, it's funny. I was talking to Kirk Signetti
probably in early October, I mean I think it was
before they played Oregon, and I just asked them a
question similar like what needs to be different? What did
you learn from playing against Ohio State last year and
Notre Dame in the playoffs? And he goes simple, he goes,
we need more dudes. I mean that was his answer,
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and they went out and got them. Like this is
a different roster that is upgraded. This team is better
across the board as it's in its entirety. So I
think that's the big thing that's different about this year
is Indiana is a better football team. And I think
that's great news. And I think they, you know, they've
kind of people again have time to take shots about
their schedule. But the win in Eugene, I think has
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looked better and better as the season has gone on,
because I think Oregon is a really good football team
and Indiana went in there and dominated that game physically,
Like that was a thing that jumped out to me
so I don't think there'll be any question of if
they have the dudes that can go toe to toe
with Ohio State. And with that being like in Ohio
State has probably the best roster in the country, Indiana
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is not that far behind. Sure, they don't have the
star power of Jeremiah Smith and Caleb Downs, two guys
are probably going to go, you know, in the top
ten of the drafts whenever they're draft eligible, because Jeremiah
Smith can't even come out now and Carnel Tate is
an incredible wide receiver. But I mean, I've seen what
the Indiana can do. You know, Omar Cooper stepped up
when the logess surat since he's been hurt, Loijas Torot.
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If he's health he's as good as anybody in the country.
They've got an offensive line that's been upgraded. So I
do think this Indiana team is just a better football
team across the board.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Wow, and you mentioned that krit Signetti told you in
October that they needed better dudes have And to me,
I think it's easily the offensive line and the voice
of the Hoosiers. Don Fisher's a friend of mine. He
told me doing the summertime Hey, the thing you're going
to notice the most is what you're going to see
on the defensive and the offensive lines, and an upgrade
maybe to a point of physicality that we've never seen
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with an IU football program. But for you, where has
that dude upgrade been most noticeable this season?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Oh? I think it's very clear. It's the offensive and
defensive line. When you look at the offensive line alone,
you know, they went out and got Pat Coogan, the
center from Notre Dame, and they got Khalel Benson. They
went out and got some guys in the portal to
help lift it up. They got a defensive end and
Stephen Daily. You know, they've got some weapons there to
add in, and they got more depth. That's the thing
that probably jumps out, And that's really the difference because
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there's a lot of teams, like everybody's got a even
at Indiana and you know, really since Kirkson that he's
gotten there, everybody has four stars and five stars. It's
just how many of them do you have? And even
then it's like everybody that are backups, but how many
do you have so that when you start getting injuries
or you start getting into that the grind of the
season when it's Week twelve or it's the Big Ten
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championship game, that you can roll deeper and that your
backup comes in to give your starter a rest, and
it's not that much of a difference. It's not a
huge drop off. That's I think in general, is just
the depth on the offensive and defensive line for Indiana,
where they're that much deeper and by the way, they're
that much more physical.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Danny Knell IF CBS and bet online dot AG He's
joining us and Andy Moore Automotive Group Potline. Who's been
most impressive to you this season from a Heisman angle?
Has it been Mendoza or has it been saying.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
So? I think they're both awesome, and I don't. I'll
just be honest with you. I don't love Diego Pavia's antics.
Like I would prefer my quarterback to handle himself the
way that Fernando and Julian saying handle themselves. But I
you know, watching Vanderbilt and how much he has to
put the team on his back, there's a really strong
case that he's the best quarterback, the best most valuable
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player in college football. But I do think like this
is a massive upgrade, And that was the one thing
because I was pretty familiar with Fernando Mendoz's game at Cal.
You know, I've watched him a lot last year, saw
what he did on a pretty bad football team, saw
his escapability, and knew he would bring leadership. So I
thought they were gonna get a significant upgrade, and they have,
and he's operated close to flawless for most of the season.
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And then I think Julian Saying has been like I
was very skeptical for a guy that's a freshman. Granted
he's a red shirt, he was there last year, but
for him to step in and complete, you know, almost
eighty percent of his passes and even with the weapons,
even against you know, lesser competition when they're two touchdown favorites,
to complete eighty percent in you know, over the course
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of an entire season, there's a lot of guys and
I kids do not there's a lot of starters that
wouldn't be able to do that in seven on seven drills.
To do that in competition is just outstanding. And I
thought he really and both of them see that's and
that's I've really been impressed with both of them. I
think this is going down to the wire because I
was impressed with Mendoza, Like you always want to see
how a quarterback does when he's faced with adversity, and
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I thought what he was facing against Penn State. The
entire game, he was not having his best game. He
was getting a lot of pressure, and even on the
last drive of the game. You remember, I'm sure you do,
the way it started off was a sack. You know,
his face was second and twenty two when he just
steps up and boom right down the field. And the
drive and the throws, not only the last one, but
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several of the throws were big time throws. I was like, oh,
you know, you've got a guy, And I really haven't
seen that from Julian saying, although I will say for
what he did last week, he kind of had his
little bit of adversity when he threw a pick early
in the game against Michigan, and all of a sudden,
the crowd's enthusiastic, and I was very curious to see
how he responded, and he responded in a big way.
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I mean, he had three touchdowns over all the game.
That was really his own mistake. But I still do
feel better about Mendoza because he's been in more adverse situations.
More when you look up at the scoreboard, it's like, man,
we need to drive, And whether those were at Cow
or Indiana this year, I feel more confident and yet
Julian saying, there's no reason to doubt him, but he
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really hasn't been in that position where he's been trailing
in the second half. So I'm very, very curious if
Indiana can do that, if they can make him uncomfortable,
and even in the fourth quarter, if it's a fourth
quarter game, that can impact you a little bit differently.
Every window gets a little bit tighter, there's that much
more pressure, and mistakes are magnified. That's the one thing
I'm very curious to see about, Julian saying, but I
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feel very good about Mendoza bouncing back no matter what
the situation is.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
He is Danny Canell with us on the Andy Moore
Automotive Group plotline. There have been many to question whether
or not having a championship game does really either one
of these two teams in general any good in terms
of losing. Certainly now it may be old hats in
the past to a house because the hell they didn't
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even make it a year ago and still we saw
what they did. But for Indiana and it's fan base,
this is absolutely a level of incredible that they have
never seen. So I'm maintain that is still important. But
do you have an argument for this maybe working against
either team in this case and and the overall usefulness
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of this championship game situation maybe not being what the
fan base here is excited about seeing coming up on
Saturday night.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
I think conference championships in general have been completely diminished.
Now there is some you know, there's some value in them,
especially if you're the Big twelve and r BYU. You win,
you're in. If you don't, you're out. The a SEC,
you know, I don't know. I really hope it's not Duke,
and they have to look at a seven and five
team looking at the playoffs and probably on the outside end,
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and then the ACC might not get a team in.
But clearly it's big for Virginia and Duke they have
to win. But the SEC and Big ten, I just don't.
They don't bring any value whatsoever. And I am old school,
like I I liked you and I appreciate it. That
was always one of our goals that Florida State was
to win the ACC. But I've never I have four
ACC championship rings. I've never really bragged about him, but
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I love talking about my national championship, like that's the
one that resonates. I work with Damian Harris, he played
at Alabama and he was trying to say, oh, the
SEC championships they matter to SEC players, They're just different.
And I asked him, I'm like, I've never heard you talk.
I asked him, I said, who did you beat in
your SEC championships? He couldn't even remember, but he can
remember who he beat in his three national title games.
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You know. It's just it's different from a perspective. And
then now with the playoffs, it really it just doesn't
fit in our playoff system. It really doesn't bring you
any benefit. Now, I do think it'd be an amazing accomplishment,
and I don't want to diminish that. If Indiana wins
this Big ten and they're a Big ten champion, that
is unbelievable. But I still think Kirk Signetti and this
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fan base and these players, they want to win a
national championship. You know, I think that's the end goal.
That's that's what everybody plays for in Indiana is elevated
to a place where that's their goal as well. So
I look at it, I'm just I wonder where I
think we're They're probably going to go extinct within five years,
and they're going to figure out a playoff system where
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this weekend is really a first round of the playoff games,
and I think that'll be a better system because I'm
used to watching sports like NFL and NBA and professional
bab MLB when once postseason play starts, it's win in advance,
lose and go home, and it's just weird to lose
and not have to go home, and like where does
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that do to your psyche? And really, in football, which
is such a dangerous game, you know, there's nothing really
good that can come out of it, especially if you've
secured your spot. There's only injuries that can happen. So
I just think that we're in this weird spot right
now with all these issues college football is facing. That's
just one of many.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
It's weird too because when you say think about it,
then if this turns into like a weekend if playoff games,
then these playoff teams are going to be done before
the Bowl season even gets either way, which is really
awkward too.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Yeah, the ball system I think is going to have
to be re tweaked two And you know, I guess
you could look at it where it's similar to the
basketball where there's the n I T Tournament and maybe
that's what the Bulls turn into is sort of and
that's kind of always what they have been. It's still
a reward for teams that win seven or eight games
and don't make the playoff. But we still have that now,
you know where, and we saw that in the four
team playoff where you'd have a couple of games after
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the first first round of the first four teams playing
in the semifinals. It still feels weird and I don't
think it doesn't make much sense. But that's the that's
the beautifully flawed system that we're working with.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah, it is Danny knelf CBS, there's no doubt about that.
And bet online dot ag that's got the latest in
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BYU is going to be set with coming up as well.
What do you think is ultimately going to be the
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odd team out in the playoff scenario here.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
So tonight is actually the first ranking besides the first
one when you're kind of curious of where is the
committee going to have all these teams adjusted tonight? Because
I've been bored the last two Tuesdays. I've been kind
of bored, like there's nothing really that was going to
change tonight. I think you're gonna learn a lot. And
I think the debate between Miami and Notre Dame is
going to be interesting. What do we learn today? Did
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Miami potentially jump Notre Dames? Does that get them in there?
And I think there's some teams that are really in
a dicey spot because of the BYU situation and because
the ACC situation, Like it's just like if you see
Duke win. I do think that opens up the door
for James Madison potentially be a second group of Hot team,
which is nuts, and I don't think they should get in.
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I'd rather them say, you know what, we're going to
take a fifth, you know, SEC team or a fourth
or fifth Big ten team as opposed to those teams.
It might sound elite US, but the group of five
is a different level. It's just a different level. That's
why we call it something different. But I do think BYU.
If BYU wins, that could put potentially Alabama in trouble.
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If they lose the SEC championship game, it could put
Notre Dame in trouble if they're right on the bubble,
and that could bump them out. I mean BYU is
the ultimate bid steeler that we could see happen. And
then I do wonder what the committee does if Georgia
against Bama. If Georgia wins big, and I'll say big,
it's like seventeen to twenty one points, I think Alabama's
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playoff spot is very much in jeopardy. And then you'll
hear the clamoring from Greg Sankee saying, why are we
playing these SEC championship games if there's if one of
our teams that was in is going to get left out.
But I do think Alabama is in jeopardy, especially if
BYU knocks off Texas Tech and then you have two
big twelve teams.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Yeah, it's funny about that. And moving on to the
whole coaching thing, and obviously the lane Kiff and Saga
took over college football over the weekend and it's more
a month. Yeah, it's more. Yeah, it's more funny than
anything I think. But I think it magnifies to me
what Scott Dolson the i UA D did in sidestepping
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any controversy whatsoever. In a lot of people question how
much money and what they did to invest in Kurt Signetti.
But clearly, in this college football landscape, certainly now, that
was the right move to make what's best for your
team now and certainly unprecedented territory, what should be what
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is best for your program for the future. I think
that decision earlier this season is even more magnified with
this stink and soap opera. As you mentioned, we had
to deal with with Ole Miss and LSU and Laney
Kiff in the last month.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yeah, it's it's nuts. The college football economy makes no
sense whatsoever. I'm going to read you a quote from
Louisiana's governor that he and that he made after they
fried Brian Kelly. He said, we are not going down
a failed path. The guy that's here now that wrote
that contract cost Texas A and M, you know, seventy
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some million dollars. Right now, he's got a fifty three
million dollar liability. We are not doing that again. They
just did it again. Yeah, they just they just paid
lame Kiff in ninety million dollars. It's probably all fully guaranteed.
If it doesn't work out in four years, they're gonna
be sitting on forty million dollars. They're gonna have to
pay him to fire him. And and I just the
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football economy makes no sense. And I love I think
Kirk Signetti is a great coach, but even at the time,
I was like, you know, this is any program ever
gonna say, you know what, We're not gonna make that mistake.
And again, this is not a knock on Kirk Sinnetti.
I said the same thing about Rhet Lashley and Matt Ruhle.
By the way, I wonder how Nebraska fans since Matt rule,
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you know, got his extension and they kept him and
secured him at Nebraska so that he wouldn't leave the
Penn State. They're two and two, they haven't been very good,
and now they're quarterbacks thinking about leaving like they could
already be regretting the extension that gave Matt Ruhle. It's
just at some point I do wonder if any athletic
director or administration across the country is like, we're not
falling for it. We'll go find another coach. If you
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want to leave, go ahead. But yet they're all terrified
because if kerkcinnatty would have left to Penn State, I'm
glad he didn't. I'm glad he stayed and he would
have won a national championship with Penn State in year one.
Indiana fans who lived like, what are we doing? Why'd
we let him go? So I understand it, but it
is just such an It's like it's funny money, you know,
it really is. It's just like monopoly money that's just
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being spent.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Well, it just too but you have to I think
now try and you're watching Ole Miss protect your assets
as much as possible. And I think with IU in terms,
this is such new territory that I don't know what
else you would do, And certainly in this new landscape
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you mentioned the economic landscape of college athletics in general here,
but the new LANDSCA gave to where you can be
like you and I've called them the infiltrator. I mean,
like old school programs don't like it, but you can
be IU and be sustainable now because of the economic
situation that's going on and the transfer portal if you
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have a formula that clearly in the past two years,
like Kurt Signetti works. So I don't know what else
you do other than do what you did and have
to sidestep a lot of the controversy that others may
end up having to deal with.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Right and I love the fact that Indiana's good now
and Vanderbilt's good now. I mean all people wanted for
the past fifteen years was can we get somebody else
besides Alabama, Georgia, Clemson or Ohio State, you know, and
then occasionally get an LSU, but like there were really
a small group of teams that could win a national championship.
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And now that everyone's been on a level playing field
and everyone who was doing things the right way and
wasn't paying the players and was really you know, trying
to play, you know, having student app fleets now that
everyone if they want to, can invest, and now we've
seen what happens, Like Indiana's relevant and they're not going away.
Vanderbilt is relevant. They just signed a five star quarterback
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that they flipped from Georgia, Like they've gotten a little
taste of it. Now their boosters are kicking in. Last
year was Arizona State and SMU. I think it's great
for the sport because now you've got a whole You
know how many more fan bases have hope and optimism
that feel like a man. If those teams can do it,
we can too. But I do think it takes a
special coach like Kirk Signetti and a lot of financial backing,
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a commitment that Indiana has made to the Hoosier football
program that is a big reason why they're where they are,
why they are where they are, and why they're not
going anywhere.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Yeah, and it also has repercussions for every other program,
especially the upstars, the up and comers who think that
they can get there by similar measures and and they're
all out there to try this now. So it's yep,
it is incredible. It's uh Dennie Canal again CBS bet
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more for you and uh yes tiebreakers on MASSF. I'm
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We would love to have you a lot of conversation
and adult refreshments that we all enjoy. I love it.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
I'm gonna try to come by. I know, I got
a couple interviews. I'm supposed to get Kurt Signetty on Friday,
but out a round work man. I'll come out there
as soon as I'm done.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
You can decompress with us at Tiebreakers on Friday.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Thank you, thank you, Danny, appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
You got it.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
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Speaker 3 (21:57):
How are you doing this Tuesday?
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I am outstanding? Are you doing this Tuesday?
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Well?
Speaker 3 (22:02):
What are you upset about the snow? No?
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Some guy was being pissy with me, so I was
pissy right back.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
It's a it's a pissy duel. And you know what
they're There are never any There are never any winners
in a pissing match.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Not at all, not at all.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Yeah, no, no crossing of swords or anything like that.
But yeah, never a winner there. Speaking of non winner
last night, I'm going to give it up to pass
Galciakam because you can since and how would you not
the frustration, But he just goes out there and he plays,
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and with the season as they're going through right now,
I have such a high level of admiration for that.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Yeah, I mean you thought you knew what you were
getting when you acquired him almost two years ago now
and then you learned, uh, just how special he is.
And then I think he's taking it to another level
over the last couple of months. And that's just strictly
what he's been able to do both on the court
in a scoring capacity, much more than it was ever
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asked of him over the last two seasons with the Pacers.
But then, as you said, really leading this team. And
maybe at one point in his career he was a
lead by example guy. But he is leading by example
and also with his voice and also with his actions
and some of these times when they get into some
ruts or some you know, bad stretches of the game,
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it's Pascal Siakam who is pulling them out of them,
out of those stretches. And you know, when he went
to the bench without eight minutes to play, I'm sure
there was a scenario where if they got it back
to ten or eight, they would have put it back in.
But it was almost it almost felt to me like
you've done You've done your job, You've done your duties. Tonight,
you know, you're probably gonna get us of the night off.
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If we need you, we'll call on you, but you
cannot complain about anything Pascal Siakam has done this season.
And that's what I kind of go to the arena
every single night. I look forward to watching Pascal Siakam
among others. But I mean he's the leader of the team.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Yeah, and I think that's one thing you be a fan, right,
and hey, raw Ra, I'm a fan, But I just
have like basketball admiration for a dude that you kind
of understand the situation and it's almost like you see
the consequences and you got to live with it, but
you still go out there and play your ass off.
And by the way, Jed Jay is playing consistently different
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than what he was used to playing and having that
success of a year ago. There is so much involved
in this where I have that high level of admiration
for what he's about.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
You know, I found myself having the conversation with Eddie
Gill over the first month or two of the season
about how this experience now could benefit some of the
younger players next season and when you get some of
these guys back. But actually, as crazy as it sounds,
thinks that this experience will help Pascal Siakam and it
will help those other players understand that maybe he was
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a little under utili at times over the last two seasons,
and you see now what he is capable of. And
if you just add just one player, if you just
add Tyrese Haliburton to the mix right now, or even
to say, you know, drow Aaron Nesman back out there
and Obi topping off the bench. But if you just
add Tyrese Halliburton, think about how defenses won't be able to,
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you know, make their whole game plan to stop Pascal
Siaka And if they do that, then how Tyreese will
find him? Yeah, and what he is going to be
capable of. I just hope that you know, through this season,
he doesn't wear out and you don't put too many
miles on on on Pascal Siakam. So he's ready to
go fresh next season. And I'm not saying that this
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season is over by any means, but with what he's
done right now, he is certainly he's moving up the
ladder pretty quickly. And I'm guessing a lot of fans
his favorite all time pacers.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Well, I mean, you could just see when he's out there.
Donald mcconnald didn't play in the second half last night
because of Carlisle concerns, but you can also see it
when he's out there. I am going to tell everybody.
You and I were having a text back and forth
and there was a point during the game last night
where I think I'll quote myself. I sent this to you,
I've seen enough of Garrison Matthews, and then he rattled
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off like three consecutive threes, so maybe I haven't seen enough.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Let the record stay. You initiated this text.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
I was respond no, no, no, it was all me.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
I said, I have seen enough of this guy. Because
that was right after I said that the Robinson Earle
couldn't shoot a lick, so which I think is still true.
But it's where Matthews ends up knocking down some shots
and was, you know, one of the dudes last night
in a game that I guess we were kind of
searching for dudes.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
I can understand the way that game started, and it
just kind of felt to me like those first four
or five minutes. It's probably the only time this season
where the crowd wasn't really good. I probably attributed a
little bit to the weather and maybe a Monday night,
but there have been some other Monday night games with
great crowd. So the olding just didn't have that juice,
and then the players didn't really do some of the
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things that they normally do to get the crowd into
the game, and so the atmosphere just wasn't great.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
And on the other end of.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
The court, you had Cleveland who'd lost three in a row,
and Donn Mitchell just made it his mission to make
sure that did not go to four. But with Garrison Matthews,
you know, he's a shooter, and I thought the quotes
coming out after the game where he talked with Pat Boyle,
and also, you know the article I read from Dustin
de Piriic was it was spot on and it makes sense.
You don't think about it when you're watching them. He
(27:32):
had not been playing on any team and to jump
right in and not only try to understand the Pacer system,
but be expected to, you know, knock down all your
shots and granted he missed a lot of them early
takes a little bit of time. You see that from
some guys on the Pacers coming back from injury, how
it takes them, you know, seven to ten days to
really look like themselves. And so that's why it did
(27:53):
make sense to me. I know, you had an extra
two weeks available where you could have picked up another
player on a ten day, then go get someone else.
How about the guy that's been here for a couple
of weeks and maybe he's underperformed a little bit for
what he's capable of, but you see a hot streak coming,
and so for however long he's here, you know he
is a shooter, and last night could be something that
(28:15):
helps him for at least the rest of this week
and hopefully it works out for both him personally and
the Pacers.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Certainly, the biggest difference was Donovan Mitchell, as you reference,
but there are a couple of moments in that game
when the Pacers were on a run, I'll headed down
to eight, maybe even six at one point, and Hyrich
Proctor got a chance to reset off of some offensive
glass work which was incredibly robust, way too much for
(28:42):
the Pacers to be able to handle last night for
the Cavaliers on the glass, and I thought he knocked
down a couple of big threes in moments where the
Pacers look like they're about ready to get back into.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
It, ninety six ninety towards the end of the third quarter,
you thought, all right, well they're right there despite really
not having a very good game, and he makes it
ninety nine to ninety three off of a second chance
opportunity that they got another free throw, and then all
of a sudden, they start the third quarter scoring the
first five or six points and kind of created too
much separation. So between Procter and Jalen Tyson. I mean
(29:14):
that guy I was very impressed with. He made all
the hustle plays, he created some of those second chance opportunities.
And I found myself looking at that Cleveland roster and
the eight or nine players that played, and they had
six rotation players not available. Obviously, they had Evan Mobley,
and they had Donovan Mitchell, so you could argue they
had their two best players. But when those guys are back,
(29:37):
I feel like Tyson has earned significant playing time and
there are a lot of teams that would like to
have what he at least was able to show everyone
last night. And granted it was one of his best games,
so maybe it's not like that every time. I don't
see every Cleveland game, but I was pretty impressed with
what jaln Tyson.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
Was able to do.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
We got to get a Jokic siding coming up tomorrow night,
and I saw, oh the Nuggets losing in dow But
the Nuggets had a bad fourth quarter. Without question, Jokic
had another pretty big triple double. But it looks like
they're they're missing some dudes, and some of the dudes
they're counting on, like Jamal Murray didn't play that well
last night. Cam Johnson hadn't played really that well so
(30:16):
far this season, trying to find his role in his
fit there. But Jokich is still the dude. And if
there's one guy that I want to go to a
game and watch, which I'm going to be courtside watching
tomorrow night, it is Nikola jokicch.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
I think it's worth the price of admission. Is the
way he does things you until you see it, And
it's taken me a couple of times, you know, not recently,
but way back when he started his career, where I
was a little bit disbelieving. You know, how is he
getting all these numbers? Is he really that good? Let
me tell you, he really is that good. The passes
he makes you don't see other players make. Let's say,
(30:50):
with the exception of maybe Tyres Halliburn, and he's the
center and if you give him any space, scoring's probably
is third favorite thing to do. But if you give
him space, he's gonna knock down the shot. So Rick
Carlisle said this in some of our pregame interviews. And
he's someone that you know, he takes joy in in
the assists more than the points. And that's why I
(31:11):
reference Tyri Salvern because he's similar in that area. You
ask about availability. Their injury report did just come out
and Jamal Murray's listed his question, Well, they will not
have Aaron Gordon Jokic is on there, but he's listed
as probable. So by the letter of the law, he's
about a seventy five percent chance of playing. Most of
the time, when a player's listed as probable, you do
see them out there. So for your sake and all
those that want to see him in person, I hope
(31:34):
he plays. I hope the Pacers you get to see
him because it makes for a better challenge.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
You want to see.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
You don't always want to see teams come in and
not have their best players, so they'll be short handed.
The Pacers, you know, are they're already short handed. But
if they have Jokic, then the Pacers have Siakam, then
you've got two stars going on it.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Yeah, the Cam Johnson thing is weird so far, and
I've watched him in a number of games and he
just I mean, he is searching for a fit right
now in any level, not just consistency, but any level
of positivity. And you know when when you lose a game,
you score forty one in the first and then seventeen
and a fourth and in your best player, the best player, arguably,
(32:12):
if there is an argument in the NBA, Jokicic goes
for twenty nine twenty and sixty or twenty nine twenty
and thirteen, and you lose that game at home. That's
a rough one.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
It was crazy night in the NBA because that happened,
And you do want to tip your cap to Ryan Nemhart.
I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Did I saw that he had twenty nine for Dallas
in that one last night?
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Yeah, and on a two way contract, undrafted, so you
feel really good for him. He didn't even play in
the Pacers game against Dallas. So what I do hope
is when Indiana plays Dallas at gamebridge Field House with
the DeMar brothers will have a chance to go at
each other. But did you also see the Wizards beating
the box? So you know every one of the every
once in a while you have I watch that NBA.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
I definitely watch it. Definitely watch There's nobody more checked
out right now now then the honest in the NBA.
He is completely checked out with that group.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Well, he'd been heard, so he checked back in about it.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
He's checked out on the floor game.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Yeah, did you see that he deleted some social media posts.
Wouldn't even know how to go back and delete everything,
but yeah, it sounds like he removed some bucks from
his timeline.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Ye.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
I've said this before. The former thirty three here is
going to end up playing alongside Karl Anthony Towns and
Miles McBride up there next year, maybe even sooner than
that if we're not careful here because uh yeah, there's
uh there's not I don't think much intent for him
to stay there longer than what he will. J Jay,
(33:44):
I'm going to see you tomorrow night. I'm going to
see some yok and and the pacers playing hard in
our guy Passcalciakam tomorrow night.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
I look forward to seeing you and hopefully the concession
stands at Gambridge field House will have cottage sees for you.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
They better, but they do have here, so that'd be okay.
Appreciate Ja Jay, Jeremi Johnson pass TV anymore. Automotive Group
potline right there. This is kind of the theme of
the show Mindless Manter, which I dig on the Andy
Moore Automotive Group potline. He's going to fit right in
(34:19):
with the Mindless Manter by the way to Butler Eastern Michigan.
Right here, we got to go eight minutes longer and
lead into Mentor and Gardner coming up later on tonight.
The dogs and those from one of the worst states
of all time and really one of the worst towns
in the worst states of all time, Yipsilanti, Michigan, Eastern
(34:39):
Michigan and Butler later ont Tonight here on the fan
Greg Greg Straw's on the Andy Moore Automativebury potline, when's
the last time you were in Yipsilante.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
The first year that I was the voice of the
then i U p Ui Jaguars, we played at Eastern
Michigan and John We pissed away a fifteen point lead
with about six minutes ago and lost by four. Thankfully,
that loss was avenged some twenty five years later by
the now IU Indie Jaguars on November the fourteenth.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Am I accurate on this? This is my recollection and
it could be failing. Is the demnuative guard Earl Boykin
front correct? Eastern Michigan?
Speaker 4 (35:20):
Yes, that is correct, and they built a new arena
right after. Earl and Derek Dile, who also played in
the NBA, were together. In fact, one of Eastern Michigan's
great moments as a college basketball team came in our
fair City. As the nine seed they beat eight seeded
Duke at the RCA Dome in nineteen ninety six. They
(35:42):
thedn't built this lovely new Convocation Center seats about nine
thousand people. They have not been that good since that time,
and they play in front of a staggering number of
empty seats on a regular.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Sweet Thearret Hinkle later on to not again your coverage
right here on the fan. My Sycamores play Eureka, and
I'm assuming that I could cobble together some dudes on
Sunday morning and beat Eureka. Is Eureka from Kansas.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Eureka is from Illinois. Eureka is a Division III school,
so one of two non D one schools in Indiana State, John,
can you name the US president during our lifetime that
is an alumnus of Eureka?
Speaker 1 (36:22):
The US President of our lifetime?
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Yes, I don't know who Ronald Reagan attended and played
for football.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Why didn't I know that?
Speaker 4 (36:32):
Well, because maybe they didn't teach that at Eastern Green.
But but did you hear the Big Eastern Green news today.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Levi carmichaels on the silver Anniversary team? Did I see
that accurately?
Speaker 4 (36:43):
That is correct? So I get to recognize him at
March eighteenth at are Love Banquet at Primos on the South.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
I freaking love Levi you know, it's funny. He was
the coach there after his career and I don't think
he cost or something like that, and they ran him on.
The Hillbillies ran him off because they didn't play his
kids something like that. So he moved on to bigger
and better things. But he he is an awesome dude,
was an awesome player. One of my all time favorite
(37:11):
Thunderbirds Levi Carmichael.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
If I read the note from town ennerup correctly, is
he the all time leading score in the history of
Thunderbirds basketball and less?
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Unless J. T. Yoho, who went to write State, ended
up getting past him, I believe he still would be that.
And Levi, by the way, played at Austin p collegiately.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
Fly Let's go pee.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Absolutely no great, great dude, and and honestly he deserved
better from his school that he brought so much too
when he was the head coach there. But I mean,
you know that being from Lanesville as well as I
know that a lot of other people do, sometimes you
get in that small town rule basketball politics and it's
just not something you want to jack with. And he didn't.
(37:55):
I don't blame him, So that's.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
Kind of that's the great thing about Lanesville is that
we're so small. Don't play the dudes. We've got some
years that's good, some years that's not.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Hey, Greg postgame show hosts with the Colts along with
Bill Brooks. Do you expect Brian Mason and company to
find anybody, anybody more useful than Michael Bagsley during workouts
this week to lead up to Jacksonville Sunday?
Speaker 4 (38:15):
Probably not, And I mean let me. I mean again,
you expect somebody to not miss three extra points in
seven games, So let's state that out loud. But the
big concern with Badgeley was not being able to make
from fifty plus yards right, So who was available a
couple of weeks ago. Matt Gay at the same issue
when he was here, and he is now kicking. I
want to say with the forty nine ers after being
(38:36):
let go by the Commanders, I mean, you get to
this point in the season, there's just not that much
left on the available market. And again, it's even even
more so now because with expanded practice squad sizes, a
lot of teams will stash a kicker on their practice
squad and so you're not getting the thirty third available guy,
you're getting like the fiftieth available guy. So I'm all
(38:59):
for finding a guy that doesn't miss extra points, and
I'm sure you could do that, But if you're gonna
make a move this late in the year, you're gonna
make a movie for a guy you think is definitively better,
and I'm not sure that guy's available with five weeks
a season left to go.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
So Jacksonville at Seattle San fran uh and then Jacksonville
and Houston Y. I will say this about the Colts.
I mean, they've carved out their destiny and then kind
of brought everybody back into the photograph here, but they're
still firmly in control if they can find any footing whatsoever.
(39:34):
But great to me, it starts with what is not
going on upfront, especially with that offensive line. You know
what your quarterback and his situation is right now, and
between the head coach and the offensive line, it doesn't
seem like that they're really treating Daniel Jones in the
fashion and what he's going through right now, in the
way that he should be.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
In other words, get Jonathan Taylor earlier touches and maybe
offers some more max protection.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
I mean, yeah, don't treat Daniel Jones like it's September
when he's all healthy and stuff. I mean, that's what
it reminds me of. They still try to run, and
I know that that's what the playbook is about, but
it looks like they still try to run things that
he may be incapable of running when he's compromised injury wise.
Now compared to when things were clicking and it was
rhythmic back in September.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
Well, I would say this, I have noticed a lack
of that boot that had run so well for the Colts,
as in not Daniel Jones wearing a boot, but as
in a bootleg play that was free money for the Colts,
whether it's the Warren or Taylor or even Josh downs
every time they ran it. And I'm not sure that
the Jones has the wheels right now to run that play.
So I think that is kind of off the table.
(40:39):
And obviously since the Pittsburgh game, every team has seen
that for some reason, with the Colts did against the
Blitz early in the year, just up and went away
at the middle of the year, so every team is
teeing off on him. And now you add to the
fact that he's banged up and is a less mobile
target and feels the need to get rid of the ball.
Because again, in one sense, the Colts allowed seven less
(41:01):
sacks than the Bills did with Josh Allen as their quarterback.
Ten days after, you know, the Texans beat the Bills.
But the same time, Daniel had thirteen in completions and
his completion percentage was just covering about fifty percent, which
is we have known it's not exactly a winning number.
And so yes to your point, you know, maybe it's
time to go all right, let's let's change the game
(41:22):
plan up to make sure we accentuate the strong point
of the team and to make sure that you are
protecting what your best available option is a quarterback by
the guy that clearly isn't a hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Greg, Gotta tell you something else is not good is
when you have to look on the roster to find
out who was actually putting pressure on the quarterback compared
to the guys that should be doing it that aren't.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
That's a fair point. When Chris Warmley got that sack,
I immediately kind of waited for some of the booth
with JJ Stankowitz during the game, I waited for JJ
to speak his piece, and I kind of looked at
it and I said, and sixty eight thousand Colts fan
just said who he was activated, you know, the day
before and at a time it was getting the other one,
and so yes, you know, defensively, I think overall, the
(42:05):
Colts did what they had to do. They held the Texans.
The twenty points should have been sixteen because of the
pass interference call, so big picture culture what they needed
to do, and I think the offense ultimately failed on Sunday.
But is the pass rush getting home as much as
they should be? No, John, They're absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
It's interesting Greg Gregsaw's on and Andy Moore on a
modive group plotline. But you look at Saturday the Big
Ten title game, and IU fans were excited and they
should be. I use teams excited, they should be. Has
this become old hat and maybe not as excited for
the Ohio State folks and their team or because the
one seed and you want to maintain that you're going
(42:47):
to come in there as focused as you normally would,
as excited as maybe the IU fan base is about
their program. Right now.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
I think there's two things that has Ohio State. Maybe
three things that has Ohio State hot and bothered coming
into this game. One, you just finally beat Michigan. I
mean last year you won a national championship. But they'll
civilly meet in Michigan, and that's something Michigan fans could
hold over your head. Now that is the longer the case.
So there's that. Two, I think what you talked about
(43:15):
in terms of ensuring that you are the number one
seed going into the final seven bowl games, I think
that's a big deal. And Three, I think it is
the chance to get you to be the big boy
on the block and try to squash down a program
that is clearly on the rise in IU. I think
those three things are all motivating factors for that team
(43:37):
coming to Indianapolis. What I am going to be very
curious about. And obviously ticket prices are to the moon, yes,
but normally in any scenario like that, Ohio State is
the de facto home team. They're playing IU in Indianapolis
and this is a first ever, first in three generations
(43:59):
moment for Indiana football. Just what is the crowd split
going to be on Saturday night?
Speaker 1 (44:06):
What are you thinking?
Speaker 3 (44:07):
Is?
Speaker 1 (44:07):
What are you thinking? Because maybe it's just me being
here and you know the excitement level of IU fans.
I think IU fans are going to surprise everybody with this.
Speaker 4 (44:18):
I think it's going to be sixty forty, sixty five,
thirty five IU fans. And let me let me throw
some financial logic behind that. If you're an Ohio State fan,
even if you lose this game on Saturday night, you've
done enough to be a top four seat, So you know,
in theory, you've got at least one, if not two,
or three more games to spend for. I could easily
see scenarios where a lot of Buckeye fans had pre
(44:40):
bought those tickets because let's face their Ohio State they're
planning on playing in Indianapolis every year and now selling
those to Indiana fans that don't want to miss this
once in a lifetime moment. When if you're an Ohio
State fan, this is a you know, once every December moment,
and so I think you will see more IU fans
than maybe a lot of folks would give credit for
coming into the game.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
What did you think of Friday and Saturday at Lucas
Oil Stadium. I thought there was a great deal of drama.
There was a lot of what you thought would occur
did occur, but there were some awesome football played per usual.
Speaker 4 (45:13):
Well, obviously the end of the Ron Kelly and Dwinger
game was probably the highlight of the week or the
drama of is one of these teams going to score
of Andred and Brownstown Central in terms of the two
way game at a block punt leading to the only
points of that contest. But big picture, John, this was
as competitive top to bottom as those state final games
(45:33):
have been. You know, the two that I had, frankly
new Palin Meryville was close to the final score indicate
it was a seventeen old game going to the fourth quarter,
and the Brownsburg Westfield game was probably not as close
as the final score told you it was at thirty
eight thirty one, because that was a three score game
until Westfield really sorted to rally, you know, kind of
late in that game. But there was not There was
(45:55):
not a massive blowout in any of those games, and
usually have at least one or two, if not even
more than that in a state's final. So I think
that was the overarching theme for the weekend at Lucas Oil.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
So do you have a paragraph carved out regarding the
great Levi Carmichael.
Speaker 4 (46:10):
Uh not yet, John, but that event is like four
months from now.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
Yeah, I'm sorry, I worked on Yeah. Well, we called
him a levee all the time. We always mispronounced his name,
and when he would when he would make those shots,
he would just simply.
Speaker 4 (46:23):
Say, the levee is never dry, right, I'm telling you
he was.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
He was a damn damn good player. And uh, and
I know that Andy Igel, who was a long time
coach down there, had a great deal uh to do
with it. I know that there was something in the
summertime he had to ride in. But yeah, and Andy
Igel is one of the better coaches in the state
of Indiana that sometimes doesn't get mentioned either, but such
an incredible high level of success. I ended up talking
(46:47):
about Mark Barnheiser all the time with good reason. But uh,
it's interesting how Eastern Green has manufactured a couple of
really high level high school coaches in the past without question.
Speaker 4 (46:58):
So I'm assuming you're are uh looking at buying a
table for the event on March eighteenth, or maybe even
doing the show live from Primos on that day.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
Does the bar open the bar is always talking. Do
you know that Dean Martin Junior right here is always ready,
willing and able when the bar is open.
Speaker 4 (47:17):
Well, I'll talk to hol versus a mean sponsor. We'll
work them in.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
All good, All right, brother, I appreciate that. I miss
you on Saturday nights less than a month though we're
counting down again.
Speaker 4 (47:26):
I'm calling you next Saturday with Fernando and Abba. Whether
you're on the air or not, it's all good.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
Hey.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
By the way to saying or Mendoza, is that going
to be the winner of the Heisman from this game?
Or is there going to be Love from Notre Dame?
Speaker 4 (47:38):
I was gonna say it all depends on if the
quarterback playing is that strong. The the quarterback then have
to be lights out. Uh. And so if they kind
of play to a draw, it opens up the door
for Jeremiah Love. But if if Mendoza has a great
game and I you wins, put his name on the
trophy right.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Now, Greg, I appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
Man.
Speaker 4 (47:58):
See you about it.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
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