December 8, 2025 • 13 mins
00:00 - 13:26 - Stephen Holder from ESPN joins the show! Stephen and JMV discuss the injury to Daniel Jones, the Colts playoff hopes, what happens after the season and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Steven Holder of ESPN on espn dot com. He joins
us right now, Hello, Stephen, how are you.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm doing great, just thinking about the good old days
when the Colts were seven and one or even eight
and two, and Jonathan Taylor was setting records on the
same grounds as jes Yewens, the good old days, like
a month ago.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
What's funny about that is you go back to January.
Do you remember this?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Right? I was shaking my fists, say and get rid
of everybody, start new, And then I kind of looked
like a horse's ass in September and October because they
started out seven and one.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
And now that's how quickly thanks could turn.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Now that looks like the best option is had they
decided on that back in January.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Well, but that's the problem is that all that's happened
makes evaluation like almost impossible. That's what's so hard about
all this, right, Like, what's the right decision about any
of this? You know what I mean about quarterback, about
about keeping or firing, about re signing player X or
(01:08):
z or why?
Speaker 4 (01:09):
What is the right answer? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
There's no good answers. There are no good answers because
if the number one position is still in question. I'm
getting too far down the road here, but we might
as well just deal with this, right. If the number
one position is still in question, then I almost don't
care what the other answers are, right, So I don't know, man,
I don't have a lot of good news for you.
(01:33):
If you're a cult saying it's all bad right now,
I'm just telling I'm being honest, man, I'm not an alarmist.
I'm usually pretty level headed. But I don't have anything
for you. I really don't.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Well, it's not only bad for the present, but it's
bad for the foreseeable future. Riley Leonard who came in
to spell the injured Daniel Jones, who has done for
the season and he's on the bound for achille surgery
coming up.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
But Riley Lennard came in. He's got a knee injury.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
So is it more likely that he comes back from
that this week and plays in Seattle? Or Brett Ripperd
who hasn't thrown it pass It twenty twenty three? Is
that who we're going to watch?
Speaker 4 (02:14):
God?
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Look, all I can tell you is that there was
there was there was a no expectation of this coming
when when Shane Stackin revealed this a little while ago,
and I can I can spin it both ways. I
can spin it in terms of, well, maybe he's telling
us to get ahead of you know, to get ahead
(02:37):
of the news and lessen the blow, or maybe he's
just sort of being transparent and just getting it out there.
But I don't know. I just I don't have anything
to base this on. But I was sneaking suspicion that
this is a real thing and that they may have
to actually deal with.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
This, And yeah, you just said it.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
That leaves us with essentially Brett Ripping or whoever else
they can find who's laying around with nothing to do
on December what is it, December eighth, with four weeks
less than the NFL season, So yeah, good luckily for.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
A team for a team is still in playoff contention too,
which is absolutely I mean, really, only the Colts could
this happened too, Seriously, I mean they could.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
There's a scenario where they could win two games and
get in, you know, I mean that's not the most
the most ridiculous prediction in the world, but it starts
to sound ridiculous when you talk about the quarterback situation,
Like even if they if Daniel Jones had played poorly
yesterday and they lose the game and then they got
(03:41):
four to go, Like, you know, you're not in the
strong position for winning the division, but you can still
get in the playoffs. And in this AFC this year,
all I think you've got to do is get in
and give yourself a chance.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Right, But.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
It almost doesn't matter now. You know, remember when the
Dolphins made the playoffs a few years ago when I
think Toole got hurt and I can't remember who started
that quarterback, but they had like a third string quarterback
go start at Buffalo. You recall that in the snow
and it was as bad as you expected. Right, Well,
that's kind of where we're at at this point. You know,
(04:16):
even if they like stumbled into a win or two,
it doesn't matter. It doesn't feel like it matters at least,
you know. So I don't know it's a harsh thing
to say, but this is the reality.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Can I ask you this really quick?
Speaker 1 (04:29):
And this is ever changing because that's the way things
go with the Colts because they can have the best
of circumstances for a moment, but you know what's going
to be followed by the.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Absolute worst of circumstances.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
But with this in mind, somebody had asked me today,
so I said, I'm gonna go ahead and answer, what
do you think they're going to do a quarterback? And
I said this today, which may change, but I said,
I think we're going to be looking at the same
basically three quarterbacks we looked at with Leonard and Richardson
and Jones, you know, as a resigned, very he low
(05:04):
dollar value free agent next year.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
I think that's how that's going to go. Because they
have so little options.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
You look at free agency options, there are none out there. Really,
they don't have anything to work with try to make deals.
I don't see another avenue other than that one, even
if they do decide to put a sticket dynamite underneath
this thing and try to blow a lot of it up.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
No, that's listen. We might as well be honest with people, okay,
or let me rephrase that people should be honest with themselves.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
And yeah, this is.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
An awful example, but hear me out.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
When we were much younger and living a different life,
you know, you might have got you might have gotten
turned down at the bar a few times, and it's
getting late, and then you know, the young lady that
maybe you didn't really have that much interest in, she
starts to look a little.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
More, look a better option, you know, And.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Are you giving me the coyote ugly analogy right here?
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Off?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
A little bit later, I got you. Yeah, I think
I was. I was like the equivalent of that as
a dude. I think that was me.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
So like, I mean, I'm sure you had options.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
You know, you were a good looking guy, you know, so,
uh yeah, that's that's kind of where they're at.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Man.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Like, you know, Anthony Richardson is under contract next year,
so he has that going for him.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
You know, that's something. The other guy's not.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Under contract and has a busted achilles, So what are
you doing with that?
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Right?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
And so the timeline there, the most optimistic timeline, and
I mean ridiculously optimistic, is that he's like a competent
football player. I'm talking about Daniel Jones, a competent football
player in terms of his rehab, you know, a few
weeks into the season. And by by competent, I don't
(07:02):
mean a good football player, I mean like he can
play football. You know what I'm saying like, that's the
most optimistic view of this. So you can't hang your
hat on that, you know, I don't I don't know
this is this is it's bad. I don't know what
you do. And and even if you clean house, it's
easy to say that, right, Okay, Well, the next people
(07:23):
who get the job, the next crew, good luck to
them because they ain't gonna have any answers either.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
So I don't know, man, this is bad.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Yeah, I mean, that's what I mean. You're dealing with
what you're dealing with right now.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
And it is real quick, I want to ask you
real quick.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
And we also that none of the none of the
moves they did, none of the.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Moves they made paid off.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
And some of this is just bad luck to some degree, right,
but it doesn't matter why this is where we are.
None of the moves paid off. Daniel Jones, it paid
off until until he got hurt, right, So that hasn't
paid off in the long term. The defensive signings, I mean,
Savarius Ward is now in concussion protocol for the third
(08:07):
time this season, a guy who a few weeks ago
told us he was having second thoughts about playing football
after the.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Last concussion all right, yep.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
So he now I think is you know, he's just
coming off a fifty million dollars signing, and then you
have Sauce Gardner who has not played hardly at all.
I love Sauce Gardner. I think he's a good player.
We can talk about the compensation. Certainly that's not paying
off right now. But anyway, my point is that has
gotten none of the leaks that they have taken or
(08:37):
the big swings they have taken have paid dividends. And
that's just a really hard thing to sell. When you
get to this point, you just don't have anything to
show for it, whether it's the football gods or you're doing.
It is what it is, and it's just a really
hard thing to swallow.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
It is.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Here's what else is Stephen Holder of ESPN, ESPN dot
Coms and Andy Morril at them Group Hotline, here's the
other it's hard for me to swallow is. I think,
with or without the injury yesterday at Daniel Jones, I
thought all the way around, especially defensively, there was a
lot of a clown show going on out there, and
that that shouldn't be the way this team I think
(09:15):
went into that game. And played throughout that game before
or after Daniel Jones went down. I mean, you got
to have something better than what we witnessed. I thought upfront,
especially and especially with that defense and the fact that
they got no hits basically no pressure on Trevor Lawrence
with what they have invested, even without DeForest Buckner upfronts
(09:38):
and absolute joke, Stephen.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I just I can't explain it, but it is what
it is. They have not had consistent pressure on the
quarterback all year long. And you know what that has
led to is one of the more alarming things about
this defense is that I'll pull it up here. They
do you know, they are twenty eighth in third down stops.
(10:04):
Twenty eighth, Like that's when you put the defense in
a microcosm of the things that matter the most, right,
it's pressure on the quarterback and it's getting off on
third down. Like though, if you boil it down to
like the most basic basic elements, those are the things
that matter, all right, and they haven't done either one
(10:24):
very well. Twenty eighth in third down stops, and so
that's how you end up with Mahomes going on seemingly
ten play drives four times in a row in that
game a couple of weeks ago, CJ. Stroud to some
degree the same. They didn't score a lot of points
either of those two teams, but they certainly had the
(10:46):
ball and were able to mount very long drives. You know,
they're not getting the turnovers when they need them, all
the things that great defenses have to do. It often
times is about the timing of those things.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
The numbers look good, they have a lot of sacks.
They have a decent amount of pressure if you look
at like the numbers, the pure pressures and things like that,
but the timeliness of them completely absent. They haven't gotten
them when they needed them.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Period.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Hey Steven, I have to apologize too. I think we
have to bail at five sixteen or so. I know
we have cults round table bottom of the hour and
the Pacers go early, But I have so much more
to talk about.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
It absolutely sucks that we're.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Going to have to go here in a second, but
I don't know what I'm going to be able to
do about it.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
It's just it.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
It is incredible where this team is right now, give
me a minute and a half of thought. I know
this is looking along ahead would this be more apt
for Carly Orsa Gordon to dynamite this thing or to
move forward with it, because, as you mentioned a little
bit earlier, who would want to try to pick up
the pieces on this mess?
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Right?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
I do think that you you have to you have
to consider your options. And I think that's a lot
of times this is what happens, especially with coaches. You
you see what's out there. And I'm pretty sure Jim
Mersey did this before. You know, for example, with with
Sean Payton. We're relatively certain they had some conversations with
(12:20):
Sean Payton, you know the year that they extended Chuck
Pagano for example, which you know many years ago. But
I'm just giving you an example. Right, So, so Chuck
Paganne goes into Black Monday. He doesn't know if he
has a job or not. And it's because while they're
on the phone with Sean Payton. It turns out Sean
was leveraging like he always did, and he got his
money from New Orleans and he told them thanks, but
(12:41):
no thanks. So anyway, I bring that up to say
you could have a situation like that. This is totally hypothetical,
but when you ask me what should she do? I
think you I think the answer depends on who and
what you can get. And you're gonna have to make
some promises, you know, if you're talking about going after
some big fish, you know in twenty twenty seven, you're
(13:02):
probably gonna have to make some big promises to them,
you know, when you can maybe get things back on
the right track financially and from a draft pick perspective.
So I don't know, man, it's the alternative is just
let them finish it out and then go from there
a year from now.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Steven, Thank you very much, man. We always love having
you on on Monday. We'll get a longer form coming
up next Monday. Okay, brother, all right, you got it.
Steven Holder of ESPN on espn dot com. He joins
us right now, Hello, Stephen, how are you.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm doing great, just thinking about the good old days
when the Colts were seven and one or even eight
and two, and Jonathan Taylor was setting records on the
same grounds as jes Yewens, the good old days, like
a month ago.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
What's funny about that is you go back to January.
Do you remember this?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Right? I was shaking my fists, say and get rid
of everybody, start new, And then I kind of looked
like a horse's ass in September and October because they
started out seven and one.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
And now that's how quickly thanks could turn.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Now that looks like the best option is had they
decided on that back in January.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Well, but that's the problem is that all that's happened
makes evaluation like almost impossible. That's what's so hard about
all this, right, Like, what's the right decision about any
of this? You know what I mean about quarterback, about
about keeping or firing, about re signing player X or
(01:08):
z or why?
Speaker 4 (01:09):
What is the right answer? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
There's no good answers. There are no good answers because
if the number one position is still in question. I'm
getting too far down the road here, but we might
as well just deal with this, right. If the number
one position is still in question, then I almost don't
care what the other answers are, right, So I don't know, man,
I don't have a lot of good news for you.
(01:33):
If you're a cult saying it's all bad right now,
I'm just telling I'm being honest, man, I'm not an alarmist.
I'm usually pretty level headed. But I don't have anything
for you. I really don't.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Well, it's not only bad for the present, but it's
bad for the foreseeable future. Riley Leonard who came in
to spell the injured Daniel Jones, who has done for
the season and he's on the bound for achille surgery
coming up.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
But Riley Lennard came in. He's got a knee injury.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
So is it more likely that he comes back from
that this week and plays in Seattle? Or Brett Ripperd
who hasn't thrown it pass It twenty twenty three? Is
that who we're going to watch?
Speaker 4 (02:14):
God?
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Look, all I can tell you is that there was
there was there was a no expectation of this coming
when when Shane Stackin revealed this a little while ago,
and I can I can spin it both ways. I
can spin it in terms of, well, maybe he's telling
us to get ahead of you know, to get ahead
(02:37):
of the news and lessen the blow, or maybe he's
just sort of being transparent and just getting it out there.
But I don't know. I just I don't have anything
to base this on. But I was sneaking suspicion that
this is a real thing and that they may have
to actually deal with.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
This, And yeah, you just said it.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
That leaves us with essentially Brett Ripping or whoever else
they can find who's laying around with nothing to do
on December what is it, December eighth, with four weeks
less than the NFL season, So yeah, good luckily for.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
A team for a team is still in playoff contention too,
which is absolutely I mean, really, only the Colts could
this happened too, Seriously, I mean they could.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
There's a scenario where they could win two games and
get in, you know, I mean that's not the most
the most ridiculous prediction in the world, but it starts
to sound ridiculous when you talk about the quarterback situation,
Like even if they if Daniel Jones had played poorly
yesterday and they lose the game and then they got
(03:41):
four to go, Like, you know, you're not in the
strong position for winning the division, but you can still
get in the playoffs. And in this AFC this year,
all I think you've got to do is get in
and give yourself a chance.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Right, But.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
It almost doesn't matter now. You know, remember when the
Dolphins made the playoffs a few years ago when I
think Toole got hurt and I can't remember who started
that quarterback, but they had like a third string quarterback
go start at Buffalo. You recall that in the snow
and it was as bad as you expected. Right, Well,
that's kind of where we're at at this point. You know,
(04:16):
even if they like stumbled into a win or two,
it doesn't matter. It doesn't feel like it matters at least,
you know. So I don't know it's a harsh thing
to say, but this is the reality.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Can I ask you this really quick?
Speaker 1 (04:29):
And this is ever changing because that's the way things
go with the Colts because they can have the best
of circumstances for a moment, but you know what's going
to be followed by the.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Absolute worst of circumstances.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
But with this in mind, somebody had asked me today,
so I said, I'm gonna go ahead and answer, what
do you think they're going to do a quarterback? And
I said this today, which may change, but I said,
I think we're going to be looking at the same
basically three quarterbacks we looked at with Leonard and Richardson
and Jones, you know, as a resigned, very he low
(05:04):
dollar value free agent next year.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
I think that's how that's going to go. Because they
have so little options.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
You look at free agency options, there are none out there. Really,
they don't have anything to work with try to make deals.
I don't see another avenue other than that one, even
if they do decide to put a sticket dynamite underneath
this thing and try to blow a lot of it up.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
No, that's listen. We might as well be honest with people, okay,
or let me rephrase that people should be honest with themselves.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
And yeah, this is.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
An awful example, but hear me out.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
When we were much younger and living a different life,
you know, you might have got you might have gotten
turned down at the bar a few times, and it's
getting late, and then you know, the young lady that
maybe you didn't really have that much interest in, she
starts to look a little.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
More, look a better option, you know, And.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Are you giving me the coyote ugly analogy right here?
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Off?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
A little bit later, I got you. Yeah, I think
I was. I was like the equivalent of that as
a dude. I think that was me.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
So like, I mean, I'm sure you had options.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
You know, you were a good looking guy, you know, so,
uh yeah, that's that's kind of where they're at.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Man.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Like, you know, Anthony Richardson is under contract next year,
so he has that going for him.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
You know, that's something. The other guy's not.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Under contract and has a busted achilles, So what are
you doing with that?
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Right?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
And so the timeline there, the most optimistic timeline, and
I mean ridiculously optimistic, is that he's like a competent
football player. I'm talking about Daniel Jones, a competent football
player in terms of his rehab, you know, a few
weeks into the season. And by by competent, I don't
(07:02):
mean a good football player, I mean like he can
play football. You know what I'm saying like, that's the
most optimistic view of this. So you can't hang your
hat on that, you know, I don't I don't know
this is this is it's bad. I don't know what
you do. And and even if you clean house, it's
easy to say that, right, Okay, Well, the next people
(07:23):
who get the job, the next crew, good luck to
them because they ain't gonna have any answers either.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
So I don't know, man, this is bad.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Yeah, I mean, that's what I mean. You're dealing with
what you're dealing with right now.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
And it is real quick, I want to ask you
real quick.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
And we also that none of the none of the
moves they did, none of the.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Moves they made paid off.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
And some of this is just bad luck to some degree, right,
but it doesn't matter why this is where we are.
None of the moves paid off. Daniel Jones, it paid
off until until he got hurt, right, So that hasn't
paid off in the long term. The defensive signings, I mean,
Savarius Ward is now in concussion protocol for the third
(08:07):
time this season, a guy who a few weeks ago
told us he was having second thoughts about playing football
after the.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Last concussion all right, yep.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
So he now I think is you know, he's just
coming off a fifty million dollars signing, and then you
have Sauce Gardner who has not played hardly at all.
I love Sauce Gardner. I think he's a good player.
We can talk about the compensation. Certainly that's not paying
off right now. But anyway, my point is that has
gotten none of the leaks that they have taken or
(08:37):
the big swings they have taken have paid dividends. And
that's just a really hard thing to sell. When you
get to this point, you just don't have anything to
show for it, whether it's the football gods or you're doing.
It is what it is, and it's just a really
hard thing to swallow.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
It is.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Here's what else is Stephen Holder of ESPN, ESPN dot
Coms and Andy Morril at them Group Hotline, here's the
other it's hard for me to swallow is. I think,
with or without the injury yesterday at Daniel Jones, I
thought all the way around, especially defensively, there was a
lot of a clown show going on out there, and
that that shouldn't be the way this team I think
(09:15):
went into that game. And played throughout that game before
or after Daniel Jones went down. I mean, you got
to have something better than what we witnessed. I thought upfront,
especially and especially with that defense and the fact that
they got no hits basically no pressure on Trevor Lawrence
with what they have invested, even without DeForest Buckner upfronts
(09:38):
and absolute joke, Stephen.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I just I can't explain it, but it is what
it is. They have not had consistent pressure on the
quarterback all year long. And you know what that has
led to is one of the more alarming things about
this defense is that I'll pull it up here. They
do you know, they are twenty eighth in third down stops.
(10:04):
Twenty eighth, Like that's when you put the defense in
a microcosm of the things that matter the most, right,
it's pressure on the quarterback and it's getting off on
third down. Like though, if you boil it down to
like the most basic basic elements, those are the things
that matter, all right, and they haven't done either one
(10:24):
very well. Twenty eighth in third down stops, and so
that's how you end up with Mahomes going on seemingly
ten play drives four times in a row in that
game a couple of weeks ago, CJ. Stroud to some
degree the same. They didn't score a lot of points
either of those two teams, but they certainly had the
(10:46):
ball and were able to mount very long drives. You know,
they're not getting the turnovers when they need them, all
the things that great defenses have to do. It often
times is about the timing of those things.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
The numbers look good, they have a lot of sacks.
They have a decent amount of pressure if you look
at like the numbers, the pure pressures and things like that,
but the timeliness of them completely absent. They haven't gotten
them when they needed them.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Period.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Hey Steven, I have to apologize too. I think we
have to bail at five sixteen or so. I know
we have cults round table bottom of the hour and
the Pacers go early, But I have so much more
to talk about.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
It absolutely sucks that we're.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Going to have to go here in a second, but
I don't know what I'm going to be able to
do about it.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
It's just it.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
It is incredible where this team is right now, give
me a minute and a half of thought. I know
this is looking along ahead would this be more apt
for Carly Orsa Gordon to dynamite this thing or to
move forward with it, because, as you mentioned a little
bit earlier, who would want to try to pick up
the pieces on this mess?
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Right?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
I do think that you you have to you have
to consider your options. And I think that's a lot
of times this is what happens, especially with coaches. You
you see what's out there. And I'm pretty sure Jim
Mersey did this before. You know, for example, with with
Sean Payton. We're relatively certain they had some conversations with
(12:20):
Sean Payton, you know the year that they extended Chuck
Pagano for example, which you know many years ago. But
I'm just giving you an example. Right, So, so Chuck
Paganne goes into Black Monday. He doesn't know if he
has a job or not. And it's because while they're
on the phone with Sean Payton. It turns out Sean
was leveraging like he always did, and he got his
money from New Orleans and he told them thanks, but
(12:41):
no thanks. So anyway, I bring that up to say
you could have a situation like that. This is totally hypothetical,
but when you ask me what should she do? I
think you I think the answer depends on who and
what you can get. And you're gonna have to make
some promises, you know, if you're talking about going after
some big fish, you know in twenty twenty seven, you're
(13:02):
probably gonna have to make some big promises to them,
you know, when you can maybe get things back on
the right track financially and from a draft pick perspective.
So I don't know, man, it's the alternative is just
let them finish it out and then go from there
a year from now.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Steven, Thank you very much, man. We always love having
you on on Monday. We'll get a longer form coming
up next Monday. Okay, brother, all right, you got it.
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