July 21, 2025 • 31 mins
00:00 - 10:21 - NASCAR driver Joey Logano joins the show ahead of this weekend's Brickyard 400! JMV and Joey discuss the racer in Dover, and look ahead to Sunday’s race at Indianapolis Motor Speedway!
10:22 - 31:04 - Stephen Holder of ESPN joins the show! Stephen and JMV discuss the upcoming Colts training camp! They discuss the roster battles that we will see, and what Stephen is looking forward to watching this week.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Meantime with the Andy Moore Automotive Group potline eleventh in
the Cup Series standings, Team Penske he's got to win.
He's back with us leading up to the Brickyard four
hundred this weekend. Again, as I mentioned from Team Penske
as Joey Legano, Hello, Joey, how are you?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I'm doing pretty good? How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Great to hear from you, Glad to have you back on.
So are we hoping that six oh one is going
to be even better than six hundred? Correct?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
What? Yeah? We didn't win six hundred, so six oh
one's got to be better. Plus it's the Brickyard four hundred,
so a little bit more on the line even.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
What uh six hundred? If somebody were to tell you
before you embarked upon your racing career six hundred and again,
such a young age, I think, the youngest ever do
it in NASCAR, what would you have told them?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I've been a long ways away, you know. I was
to be honest with you, I wasn't sure and get
to one hundred and fifty early in my career wasn't
wasn't the best of starts to my career. But obviously
things have gone well. The last four hundred or so
have been pretty good with three championships and some race
wins along the way. So it's been a fun ride.
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Lots of ups, lots downs, lots of key learning learnings
in front of the whole world, which has been interesting.
An interesting ride, no doubt, but when traded for the world,
it's done a fun time.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
He is Joey Legan always on the any More Automotive
Group plotline, the nineteen year old Joey Legono. What's the
major thing you have learned from that point in time
that you're taking advantage of and maturing that you know
now that you still use and hopefully to your advantage
as a driver today.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Oh man, it's hard. A pinpoint one thing, you know.
Keeping things into perspective is probably one thing that I
think you learn as you as you get older, and
what's the most important things in life and and how
to handle you know, how to become a leader, how
to handle conflict, you know, all those type of things
that you just seem to figure out as you get older. Right,
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the been there, done that moment just seem to get
a lot easier. But there's a lot of just you know,
even just the amount of effort I used to put
into things when you're nineteen, right, I think probably everyone
can relate to this. When you're nineteen and in school
or whatever you're doing, you thought you were working hard,
and then then you start to realize what hard work
really is as you get older and you have more responsibilities.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Yeah, yeah, and you know that just comes. I think
it's funny, Like I think about guys like Larry Bird
and basketball, for example, and I thought his greatest asset was,
you know, knowing what was going to happen, like you know,
two and three steps before it actually happened. And I
think that also occurs with a level of maturity. You
see things and I think you're able to recognize them
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before they actually take place. And I think that's just
a big part of maturity. You just simply don't have
a nineteen that you do now.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, I mean, especially when you've been in the sport
so long, right, Like you kind of understand how races
most likely are going to play out. You can kind
of see it happening before it does a lot of
times to your point, and so whether it's a play
playing out in basketball or certain restarts or you know,
races in general, playoffs, all those type of things. You've
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been through it a few times. You get an idea
of trends and certain you know drivers, what they're most
likely going to do, and you can kind of adjust
your game plan off of that stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Well we can, We'll adjust our game plan here. Speaking
of what you just described, Joey, do you happen to
know what the one is going to do when the
one gets around you on the track? Any track, anywhere, anytime?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
I have a pretty good idea these days.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I listen. I know that it wears you out. But
do you think like rivalries? Write that? And you know
you move in and out of rivalries. It's just kind
of natural, I think, and what you do. But does
that come you think good for racing, not crashing and
wrecking equipment, but just a rivalry like that itself? Is
is that good for what you do?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Oh? I don't know. I mean, I think for sports
in general, rivalries always, uh, you seem to to amp
the sport up a little bit. And what is interesting
about our sport compared to others. You know, you might
have a rival team, but you play them maybe a
couple of times a year, right, Maybe maybe a few
more times than that, but not not a lot. We
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race each other every single weekend and it's the same teams, right,
it never changes, So you know you think about that.
I mean, it's there's not like time to cool off.
There's not time to think about it. Or if there is,
you have to be quick about it, right, you have
to understand what you know, what's going on there. So
and it is different with our sport too, right, you
got to keep the big picture of mine. You know,
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if it's a back and forth situation, you know what's
the real goal out there? So it's a it's some
unique relationships out there.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Does does the relationship or the dynamic of the rivalry
on the track? Does it? Also? Does it take place
when you guys like run into one another off the
track during meetings and such? Is it still there? Can
you still feel it?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Oh? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't think things change because
you're outside of the car. I mean sometimes you can
separate some things, for sure, but I'd say a lot
of things kind of carry carry it forward at times.
But yeah, time heels all the wounds. That's that's the truth.
And you know, and like you said, you want to
have a rivalry where it's you know, going win for win, Right,
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that's what you want to do. Uh, not necessarily have
wreck for wreck. You want to you want to be
you know, the rivalries that are going for wins every week.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
You got you and the one are going to be
fishing in the lake out there in the infield this
week at some point. That's I don't fish with anybody.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Let be honest about that. I don't go fishing.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
They got that page for that.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
I might drive the boat, but that'd be as far
as I guess.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Well, I don't know. You may be the only one
right in the garage area that's never fished in that
particular lake out of ims.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
You're probably right.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Yeah, I don't know. Maybe I don't know. Yeah, I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Any of those slow sports don't really work for me. Well, fishing, hunting, golfing.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Not for me.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
It's gotta be quicker pace.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah. Well, there's zero patients in what you do, and
it's understandable because if you have patients, then normally you're
probably not going to get where you get. Joey Lecgonald's
with us. He's on the andy More Automotive Group hotline.
Why is Indy different for you? I mean, obviously the legend,
the legacy, the history and all that, and then some
why is it different when you come here?
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Well, I mean it's different for everybody because of the
reason you just said. The history of what Indy is
is it's incredible. You know, it's the most iconic raceway
in the world. You know, I think you can go
anywhere in the world and talk about Indianapolis Motor Speedway
in any race fan will know exactly what you're talking about.
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And I think just winning anything there is special. But
the dream of kissing the bricks is a real dream
for me. You know, That's one thing I've always really
wanted to accomplish and it's the number one thing on
the bucket list of my career at this point that
I have not checked off. Daytona five hundred. Obviously that's
a huge win as well in championships, yes, but the
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brickyard is something that you know, no matter if you're
an Indy car driver or a stock car racer or
a tricycle racer, it doesn't matter. You want to win
at Indy if the race is there. And you know,
I think nothing really explains that better. If you are
in town, go to the museum. You're Roger Penske, who
bought the racetrack, who's also my boss, just did a
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tremendous job at redoing the motorsports museum there and it
is second to none. I mean, it is incredible. Uh.
And if you have any question of what the history
is of Indianapolis Motor Speedway, it's all there on display.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
So you got into an Indy car and made did
you not?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I did not. I went, I went and watched practice.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Oh okay, okay, I did not get in one. Have
you you've never been in one before? No, I know
you're six too. They'd probably have to stuff you in
there a little bit, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
It would be a tight squeeze. No that.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I did want to mention this for Joey Logano before
I let you go.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Sam sent me a message and said, give Joey Logano
a shout out for always taking time for fans. I
go to the brickyard every year, and Joey always signs
autographs and takes pictures when many other NASCAR drivers maybe
don't take the time out. So Sam Myers wanted to
give you a shout for doing what you do out
the brickyard.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Well, I appreciate that. I've Yeah, I was a fan first,
you know, before I was a race car driver as
a kid, and I always remember how cool it was
to get drivers autographs. And I also remember when a
driver did not sign autograph and how that felt too
as a as a kid that remembers that. I it's
just stuck there forever. You know, God does certain things
in your life for for certain reasons, and I believe
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it's a small one, yes, But I do believe that
a man have gotten fits out on an autograph as
a kid for a reason, and uh, that sick with
me forever?
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Is can you tell us who it was?
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Tony Stewart. But he's a good guy. I understand what
happened now as the guy that did the sport. There's
usually a lot of stress that goes along with after
practice and qualifying you A lot of times you could
be upset. I totally get it now, but it was
still less to learn from me, and it was it
was good.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
He was never upset. What are you talking about? Never?
Speaker 2 (09:52):
I get I get it with me a couple of
times since then.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
So ill he the best of luck. To you. I
I love it when you come in town because you're
always really kind. And come on the show man and
talk it up a little bit, go kiss the bricks
for the first time there and have a little piece
of history this weekend, and we'll catch up again soon. Joey,
thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Awesome looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Thanks Joey Logano of Team Penske's on the Andy Moore
Automotive Group potline. Meantime of the Andy Moore Automotive Group
potline here. Summer has officially concluded with Steven Holder from
ESPN dot Com. As of tomorrow morning, Steven joins us Now, Hello, Stephen,
how are you?
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Oh? Thanks for that reminder the summer is over. Thanks. Yes,
I mean it's they're getting started early this year too.
There's a bunch of camps already going on. I normally
I feel like we have until like the twenty seventh,
twenty a, twenty ninth. It's going to be the twenty
second for us is when they're recording. So no, in
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all seriousness, I mean I'm ready to go. I mean
this is gonna be I think training camp number twenty
for me in terms of covering the NFL so I
wouldn't know what to do with myself if I didn't
have anything to do right now.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Anyway, Well, and you're going to have a lot to
do because you're going to get to document every single
pass play, every single call, cadence, whatever gesture on and
off the field with quarterbacks. Are you ready or are you
excited for this?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
I mean, it's it's gonna be a lot. I mean, look,
I think there are you would much rather a team
know what the heck's going on at quarterback and have
all the answers at quarterback, right. But from our perspective
as journalists covering this, I mean, it ain't the worst
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thing in the world. Not gonna lie, okay, because it's
certainly it offers intrigue, okay, whether whether you like either
player or neither player, it's certainly intrigued, okay, And there's
nothing wrong with that when it comes to people paying attention.
So you know, we'll be there to kind of hash
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it all out and document it and I'm interested to
see how this plays out.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
What do you start And we'll double back to the
quarterback situation because you had the report last week with
both Adam Schefter and then you know throughout ESPN regarding
the return of normalcy, if you will, for Anthony Richardson,
I want to save that here for a little bit
further down the road. Outside of that position, though you're
going to hard target. What's in your focus to start camp?
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Well, I the guy I really am interested to see
a lot of is Tyler Warren. I'm not necessarily as
interested in the rest of that position group, but I
am interested to see what he looks like, particularly when
they put the pads on. You know, I think he
had a chance to really be a dynamic player with
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the ball in his hands in the open field. That's
where I think they're really excited about getting him involved.
So I guess tight end, but Tyler Warren specifically. The
other thing is cornerback is a little bit of an
interesting position. How does that all play out? Is Juju
Brent's a factor? Certainly, Jalen Jones is going to be
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in the mix there, Servarius Ward is He's going to
play pretty much every snap because he's the guy. But
then you know, they've got they've got a couple of
young guys they want to look at. They've got a
new draft pick back there. I do want to see
how it plays out that position. I think it could
be interesting. So you know, there's a few things to watch.
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I think. So that's it's one offensive, one defense for you.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah, he's Stephenholder of ESPN dot Com covers the Colts
Rookies report tomorrow. Everybody else coming up on Wednesday. Fan
Morning Show will be there tomorrow. Kenny Moore is going
to be a part of that conversation tomorrow in the
morning with the Morning Show. Jacob you up there. I'll
be up there for the evening get togethers a little
bit later on during camp. But Stephen Hold is with
us now and they Andy More Automotive Group potline. It's
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one thing I know that there's a great deal of
trust in Bordolini right in Gonzolve is because we've been
down that path before. You've seen a little bit of something.
But the backup plan seems to be I think that's
worth watching. Is it not? Whether we're talking about the
rookie Jalen Travis or Blake Freeland being one mishap away
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from being significant pieces? Is that not concern but something
that you're going to judge and focus as well.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
You have to pay attention. There's no question about it.
I mean, I think that tackle is a question. The
tackle depth. Offensive tackle depth is a question for the Colds.
I mean, they feel good about what they've got starting
certainly Glennard Raymond has improved every single season, so that
if that a sense continues, they're good there. Having Braden
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Smith in place at right tackle, I think is a
good thing. He is probably not the player he once was,
but I think he's when healthy, and I believe he's healthy,
he's still a pretty formidable guy who can really help
you in the run game in particular, So they feel
good about that. But you're always one play away, you know,
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from being in a tough spot. And I really think
it's going to fall to Jalen Travis to kind of
be the swing tackle if he can take it, you know,
the rookie that they drafted, I believe.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
In the fourth orth round.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Yeah, yes, it's been I've been on vacation.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
He is one, and that's okay. I'm gonna tell you what.
I hope he's as good on the field as he
has conversationally. He's a joy to talk to.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
First of all, like if your daughter brought him home
one day. A guy like that you feel like you
won the least. Okay, this guy Ivy League education, he well, yeah,
he started out in the heavy League, went over to
Iowa State, but you know has a Senate internship on
his resume. Okay, the guy he also I think he's
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starting like and he's starting a nonprofit or something like
that to work in the community. I mean, like talk
about a dream. But I do think that he is
He's not just you know, a guy who who can
just put words together. I mean the word is that
he can play and that they're excited about him. He's
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not finished product, which is why he went in the
fourth round, but he doesn't have to be. He's he's
a little bit developmental. But you can be that and
still be a good backup option there and breakfully Blake Freeland.
You know, we'll see whether he has taken a step forward.
I think he needs to take a step if he
wants that job. But Jalen Travis is the guy that
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I'll be watching at the outset in terms of depth inside,
I think they have more options and more to work with.
But well, we'll see who kind of grabs hold of that.
But they have some experience at least.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Inside Janmen Travis's parents. According to Jalen, Travis went to
high school with Prance too, so there's some conversation to
be had. We discussed Paisley Park at length when he
was on back in.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
The Spring Love Love Paisley Park.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
No doubt about that. It's Stephen Holder and Andy Moore
Automotive Group plot line. Anybody going to receive any extensions
over the course, sometimes there's news regarding that, anybody going
to be that center of attention for a day or
an hour or two coming up here right.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
The guy I'm watching is Bernard Raymond. I have not
heard any momentum toward that, but I would argue that
it makes a hell of a lot of sense to
get that done. The alternative is you are doing that
contract on the fly leading up to free agency next spring,
and it ain't going to get cheaper unless you know,
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he takes a step back or something. It's only going
to get more expensive in my opinion. And let's be honest,
you got to have them, you got to. So I
think he is the guy to watch, and there is
another guy to watch. I just don't think anything's going
to happen, and that is Alex Pears. I have no
expectation of a deal happening there, not because Colts don't
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like them, but because, look, I'll just I'll go out
on a limb here. My prediction is that he's not
on this.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
I was going to ask you, why are we watching
his final season here?
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Do you think? I think? I do? And and again
and not because, to be clear, not because he is
not a good player. The Coats love Alec Pears. I
think there's just some realities here that that we have
to consider, and one of them is a couple of things.
Number One, they have some depth at that position. They
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have other guys that got to pay. They can't pay everybody,
and that's just where we are. They love Josh Downs
as they should. They They are still convinced that that
a d Mitchell can be a player, and if they
can ever get him to get his head straight, they're
going to have a heck of an athlete there. Right,
it's early, so I don't know where that's going to go.
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But the point is they've invested resources at that position
and Alec Pearce has ofscended, so his price has gone up.
So you know, what are you going to pay that guy?
I mean, if he makes it the free agency, I'm
telling you, people are going to be shocked at what
he makes I'm telling you right now. And he knows that.
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The Colts know that, so they can't come to him
with some ridiculously low offer. It's insulting, right. So I
just don't think. I don't see the scenario where that
gets done now and they can make a deal that
makes sense for them given what they've got coming down
the pike at that position. So I just don't anticipated
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how important.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Is it for the evolution for real, and not in
terms of not Dante moncreefing it here.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
With ad Mitchell, that's that's the heck of a reference,
and not a terrible one because also a great athlete,
you know, who was very impressive, all kinds of speed,
but never could put it all together. I do think
that I remember remember when ad Mitchell was drafted and
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there was all that buzz about what the scouts were
saying and he's some you know, of some sort of
bad apple or something, and none of that was ever true, Okay,
And I did follow up on that. I couldn't find anything.
There was no smoking gun with this kid. But I
think we found the smoking gun. The smoking gun is
that he's just not a polished guy. He's not a
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polish player, right, I mean, that's that's what it was,
and I think we see it now. There was never
any trouble maker aspect to him that I am aware of.
I just think that he has some deficiencies that he's
got to fix. But he is tantalizing when it comes
to his athletic profile and his ability to get down
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the field. Just his ability to win at the line
of scrimmage is I mean, I think he's got from
that perspective in that particular part of his game. He
might be the best wife they have in terms of
winning at the line of scrimmage. That is saying something
for a guy who's only played one full NFL season.
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The question is can he finish a play, can we
trust his hands, and can he execute be where he's
supposed to be at the right time. I mean, he
hasn't proven any of those things. So the Buis news
is they have a lot to work with, but he
has to take that next step. They can't do that
for him. He's got to They can leave into the water.
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He's got to take that next step. But my god,
if he can, they're going to have a hell of
a player right there.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Stephen Older of ESPN dot COM's on the Andy Moore
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Of course, we're going to have you covered throughout the
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will they be before they say, you know what, we're
gonna have to go out and do something else.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
That's a great question. I think I think we'll see.
I don't know. I think they'll I think they'll know
when you see it. One thing I would say is
they have made mistakes at that position before Nicoles. You
know they they did it with you know, they deal
with specs quite frankly, right. They also, to a in
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a different manner, did that with Anatvin Arry when they
let that issue that injury issue. I presume it was
an injury and let it linger and he was missing
and missing and missing, costing them games all of those things. Right, So,
so I really do think that they have to not
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repeat mistakes of the past. They just can't and I
do wonder if they if this is a real competition here.
I mean because ultimately Spencer Schrader has a very thin resume. Okay,
he just does. And and I don't know if if
they should necessarily proceed as if as if they're they're
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fine there, I mean, they're not saying that, but they
don't really have any proven competition on the roster right now.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Right would you rather them still have Matt Gay?
Speaker 3 (23:49):
I think with Matt Gay the problem was the combination
of performance and money, right so so so for them
it didn't make sense. But I don't know. I thought
he was I thought he was fine except when you
got to the longer distances. That was that was the
issue with him. But he was pretty reliable when it
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came to when it came to you know, inside of
what now like forty five or so, like you could
kind of sit your watch to that. The problem is
when you pay a guy that kind of money, you
expect him to make the fifty three fifty four yarders,
and he was just wildly inconsistent when it came to those.
But I do think your question is is a reasonable question,
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like taking the money out of it, would you rather
have the proven guy. Maybe maybe you know, we'll see,
we're gonna learn a little more about Spencer Trader. I
don't think we know enough yet, Yeah we don't.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I just I was kind of curious just how flexible
it might be if they go, oh, I hope not.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Yeah. Yeah, that's gotten them in trouble. Quite frankly, it
has gotten them in trouble. So we will find out
if they have learned some lessons there.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
I think think Mooney has the chance to be the
most talented corner that we have seen here. Is that
fair to say?
Speaker 3 (25:09):
I mean he should be up there if he plays
the way he played two years ago. The answer to
that question is possibly yes. So last year, well documented
is his young daughter passed away. He's been very clear
that he was in a terrible headspace last year. Okay,
because of course he was right, So I'm giving him
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a pass on anything that happened last year. And he
wasn't terrible. Okay, let's be clear, he was fine, but
he wasn't an all pro level player two years ago.
He was, So if he still has that in him,
and I see no reason that he doesn't. If he
still has that in him, they're gonna have one hell
of a player, There's no doubt about that. I'm very
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interested to see it. When I look back at my time,
at least in town, I think the guy who comes
to mind that I think is the best corner I've
seen play here is Vonte Davis during that stretch maybe
in twenty fourteen where the Colts I thought were where
that was a defense that you know, that was a
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good version of that defense, a really good version. And
he personally had a great season that year. I think
he was I don't remember if he made All Pro,
but he was certainly a Pro bowler back when the
Pro Bowl kind of meant something, So yeah, I think
he could have that kind of impact. And we saw
Vonte Davis that year basically take away half the field.
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They weren't thrown at him because quarterbacks weren't stupid. Then
this guy could have that kind of impact. And I
love this particular part of it is that lou Anarumo
is going to let him be him, because what's the
point of having a guy who can lock people down
if you don't let him lock people down. So that's
what I'm looking for this year from Shavarius Ward.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
I don't know too much about the Jesse Bates career.
I just know that it's weird when he left since
Nat for Atlanta, their defense went to hell in a
hand basket for whatever reason. I mean they lost other
guys too, anybody comparable you think of that secondary at
safety to what lou Anroumo coached up when they were
really good defensively with Cincinnati, and Bates was a part
of it.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Well, I mean cam Bynum has has definitely got his
hands on a lot of footballs.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Where he is all skill. This is what you're talking
about here.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
I like it, Yes, yeah, for sure. Where he needs
to take the next step is taking the ball away,
and I think he has the ability. There's no question
about that. I Mean the good thing about about cam
is you're getting a guy in his prime. You know.
With Ward, I mean you could argue, I mean, you
know this is a stretch maybe, but I mean he
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turned twenty nine this year, so is he on the
downside at that position? Maybe he might be. You know,
they may not get like his they may not get
multiple years of his prime. But cam Bynum I think
is out of the twenty five twenty six, So I
mean he's right in there where you want to, you know,
acquire a guy if he's going to be a big
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free agency pickup. So I'm interested to see if he
can be that. He has the ability, there's no question
about it. And again, it really is about taking the
ball away, and Byingham has talked about that. To his credit,
he has made he has said that that's that's the
priority is taking the ball away. I'm looking at him now.
I mean he had he had three picks last year,
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which is which is fine. But here's the thing. He had,
you know, ten pass deflections last year. So I mean
he's around the football, he's getting his hands on the ball,
but he wants to take it to the next level
and that means taking it away, getting those you know,
four or five six picks you know, this coming season.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
We shall end with a quarterback question. Which one of
the top two in this case has more of a
margin for training camp error.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
I think Daniel Jones. And here is why, because with
Anthony Richardson, and this is not a comment on ability,
this is just a comment on like reality. The reality
with with Anthony Richardson is he's battling on two fronts.
I've said this before, but I think it's worth repeating.
He's battling on two fronts. And what I mean by
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that is he's got doubts about his health and then
there's doubts about him just in terms of performance. Daniel Jones.
Clearly there's doubts about his performance because the New York
Giants said, get out of here, we don't want you
to be our starter anymore. But there is at least
less maybe anxiety about whether he's going to be available
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okay health in terms of health, and so it sort
of streamlines the issues for Daniel Jones. The issue with
Daniel Jones is like, do you believe that he can
be an effective and consistent starter? With Anthony Richardson, You're
asking two questions, can he be a consistent starter and
can he stay healthy? So I don't think he I
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just think he has to think about it. I believe
Richardson has to. Just knowing what we know, it feels
like he has to perform, like vastly outperform Daniel Jones
to win this thing, you know, just because the reality
is there's two separate sets of doubts about him. So
I hope that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Steven Holder ESPN, ESPN dot Comedy is going to be
there to document tomorrow, be there on Wednesday and then
throughout telling you every single situation that happens under center
for this football team. There you go, and summer is
officially over.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Yes it is. It was for a while, it lasted.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
No, no, it's more over than the song's Summertime by
DJ Jessey Jeff and the Fresh Friends.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
It is. That is correct, all right.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
I appreciate you. Thanks, we'll see you up there when
we get.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Up there soon.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Thank you, David Stavin Older you got it, es p N,
ESPN dot com on the Andy more Ado Modif Group
partline
Meantime with the Andy Moore Automotive Group potline eleventh in
the Cup Series standings, Team Penske he's got to win.
He's back with us leading up to the Brickyard four
hundred this weekend. Again, as I mentioned from Team Penske
as Joey Legano, Hello, Joey, how are you?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I'm doing pretty good? How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Great to hear from you, Glad to have you back on.
So are we hoping that six oh one is going
to be even better than six hundred? Correct?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
What? Yeah? We didn't win six hundred, so six oh
one's got to be better. Plus it's the Brickyard four hundred,
so a little bit more on the line even.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
What uh six hundred? If somebody were to tell you
before you embarked upon your racing career six hundred and again,
such a young age, I think, the youngest ever do
it in NASCAR, what would you have told them?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I've been a long ways away, you know. I was
to be honest with you, I wasn't sure and get
to one hundred and fifty early in my career wasn't
wasn't the best of starts to my career. But obviously
things have gone well. The last four hundred or so
have been pretty good with three championships and some race
wins along the way. So it's been a fun ride.
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Lots of ups, lots downs, lots of key learning learnings
in front of the whole world, which has been interesting.
An interesting ride, no doubt, but when traded for the world,
it's done a fun time.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
He is Joey Legan always on the any More Automotive
Group plotline, the nineteen year old Joey Legono. What's the
major thing you have learned from that point in time
that you're taking advantage of and maturing that you know
now that you still use and hopefully to your advantage
as a driver today.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Oh man, it's hard. A pinpoint one thing, you know.
Keeping things into perspective is probably one thing that I
think you learn as you as you get older, and
what's the most important things in life and and how
to handle you know, how to become a leader, how
to handle conflict, you know, all those type of things
that you just seem to figure out as you get older. Right,
(02:03):
the been there, done that moment just seem to get
a lot easier. But there's a lot of just you know,
even just the amount of effort I used to put
into things when you're nineteen, right, I think probably everyone
can relate to this. When you're nineteen and in school
or whatever you're doing, you thought you were working hard,
and then then you start to realize what hard work
really is as you get older and you have more responsibilities.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Yeah, yeah, and you know that just comes. I think
it's funny, Like I think about guys like Larry Bird
and basketball, for example, and I thought his greatest asset was,
you know, knowing what was going to happen, like you know,
two and three steps before it actually happened. And I
think that also occurs with a level of maturity. You
see things and I think you're able to recognize them
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before they actually take place. And I think that's just
a big part of maturity. You just simply don't have
a nineteen that you do now.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, I mean, especially when you've been in the sport
so long, right, Like you kind of understand how races
most likely are going to play out. You can kind
of see it happening before it does a lot of
times to your point, and so whether it's a play
playing out in basketball or certain restarts or you know,
races in general, playoffs, all those type of things. You've
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been through it a few times. You get an idea
of trends and certain you know drivers, what they're most
likely going to do, and you can kind of adjust
your game plan off of that stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Well we can, We'll adjust our game plan here. Speaking
of what you just described, Joey, do you happen to
know what the one is going to do when the
one gets around you on the track? Any track, anywhere, anytime?
Speaker 2 (03:43):
I have a pretty good idea these days.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I listen. I know that it wears you out. But
do you think like rivalries? Write that? And you know
you move in and out of rivalries. It's just kind
of natural, I think, and what you do. But does
that come you think good for racing, not crashing and
wrecking equipment, but just a rivalry like that itself? Is
is that good for what you do?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Oh? I don't know. I mean, I think for sports
in general, rivalries always, uh, you seem to to amp
the sport up a little bit. And what is interesting
about our sport compared to others. You know, you might
have a rival team, but you play them maybe a
couple of times a year, right, Maybe maybe a few
more times than that, but not not a lot. We
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race each other every single weekend and it's the same teams, right,
it never changes, So you know you think about that.
I mean, it's there's not like time to cool off.
There's not time to think about it. Or if there is,
you have to be quick about it, right, you have
to understand what you know, what's going on there. So
and it is different with our sport too, right, you
got to keep the big picture of mine. You know,
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if it's a back and forth situation, you know what's
the real goal out there? So it's a it's some
unique relationships out there.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Does does the relationship or the dynamic of the rivalry
on the track? Does it? Also? Does it take place
when you guys like run into one another off the
track during meetings and such? Is it still there? Can
you still feel it?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Oh? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't think things change because
you're outside of the car. I mean sometimes you can
separate some things, for sure, but I'd say a lot
of things kind of carry carry it forward at times.
But yeah, time heels all the wounds. That's that's the truth.
And you know, and like you said, you want to
have a rivalry where it's you know, going win for win, Right,
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that's what you want to do. Uh, not necessarily have
wreck for wreck. You want to you want to be
you know, the rivalries that are going for wins every week.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
You got you and the one are going to be
fishing in the lake out there in the infield this
week at some point. That's I don't fish with anybody.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Let be honest about that. I don't go fishing.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
They got that page for that.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
I might drive the boat, but that'd be as far
as I guess.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Well, I don't know. You may be the only one
right in the garage area that's never fished in that
particular lake out of ims.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
You're probably right.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Yeah, I don't know. Maybe I don't know. Yeah, I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Any of those slow sports don't really work for me. Well, fishing, hunting, golfing.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Not for me.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
It's gotta be quicker pace.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah. Well, there's zero patients in what you do, and
it's understandable because if you have patients, then normally you're
probably not going to get where you get. Joey Lecgonald's
with us. He's on the andy More Automotive Group hotline.
Why is Indy different for you? I mean, obviously the legend,
the legacy, the history and all that, and then some
why is it different when you come here?
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Well, I mean it's different for everybody because of the
reason you just said. The history of what Indy is
is it's incredible. You know, it's the most iconic raceway
in the world. You know, I think you can go
anywhere in the world and talk about Indianapolis Motor Speedway
in any race fan will know exactly what you're talking about.
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And I think just winning anything there is special. But
the dream of kissing the bricks is a real dream
for me. You know, That's one thing I've always really
wanted to accomplish and it's the number one thing on
the bucket list of my career at this point that
I have not checked off. Daytona five hundred. Obviously that's
a huge win as well in championships, yes, but the
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brickyard is something that you know, no matter if you're
an Indy car driver or a stock car racer or
a tricycle racer, it doesn't matter. You want to win
at Indy if the race is there. And you know,
I think nothing really explains that better. If you are
in town, go to the museum. You're Roger Penske, who
bought the racetrack, who's also my boss, just did a
(07:56):
tremendous job at redoing the motorsports museum there and it
is second to none. I mean, it is incredible. Uh.
And if you have any question of what the history
is of Indianapolis Motor Speedway, it's all there on display.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
So you got into an Indy car and made did
you not?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I did not. I went, I went and watched practice.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Oh okay, okay, I did not get in one. Have
you you've never been in one before? No, I know
you're six too. They'd probably have to stuff you in
there a little bit, but yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
It would be a tight squeeze. No that.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I did want to mention this for Joey Logano before
I let you go.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Sam sent me a message and said, give Joey Logano
a shout out for always taking time for fans. I
go to the brickyard every year, and Joey always signs
autographs and takes pictures when many other NASCAR drivers maybe
don't take the time out. So Sam Myers wanted to
give you a shout for doing what you do out
the brickyard.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Well, I appreciate that. I've Yeah, I was a fan first,
you know, before I was a race car driver as
a kid, and I always remember how cool it was
to get drivers autographs. And I also remember when a
driver did not sign autograph and how that felt too
as a as a kid that remembers that. I it's
just stuck there forever. You know, God does certain things
in your life for for certain reasons, and I believe
(09:16):
it's a small one, yes, But I do believe that
a man have gotten fits out on an autograph as
a kid for a reason, and uh, that sick with
me forever?
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Is can you tell us who it was?
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Tony Stewart. But he's a good guy. I understand what
happened now as the guy that did the sport. There's
usually a lot of stress that goes along with after
practice and qualifying you A lot of times you could
be upset. I totally get it now, but it was
still less to learn from me, and it was it
was good.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
He was never upset. What are you talking about? Never?
Speaker 2 (09:52):
I get I get it with me a couple of
times since then.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
So ill he the best of luck. To you. I
I love it when you come in town because you're
always really kind. And come on the show man and
talk it up a little bit, go kiss the bricks
for the first time there and have a little piece
of history this weekend, and we'll catch up again soon. Joey,
thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Awesome looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Thanks Joey Logano of Team Penske's on the Andy Moore
Automotive Group potline. Meantime of the Andy Moore Automotive Group
potline here. Summer has officially concluded with Steven Holder from
ESPN dot Com. As of tomorrow morning, Steven joins us Now, Hello, Stephen,
how are you?
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Oh? Thanks for that reminder the summer is over. Thanks. Yes,
I mean it's they're getting started early this year too.
There's a bunch of camps already going on. I normally
I feel like we have until like the twenty seventh,
twenty a, twenty ninth. It's going to be the twenty
second for us is when they're recording. So no, in
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all seriousness, I mean I'm ready to go. I mean
this is gonna be I think training camp number twenty
for me in terms of covering the NFL so I
wouldn't know what to do with myself if I didn't
have anything to do right now.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Anyway, Well, and you're going to have a lot to
do because you're going to get to document every single
pass play, every single call, cadence, whatever gesture on and
off the field with quarterbacks. Are you ready or are you
excited for this?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
I mean, it's it's gonna be a lot. I mean, look,
I think there are you would much rather a team
know what the heck's going on at quarterback and have
all the answers at quarterback, right. But from our perspective
as journalists covering this, I mean, it ain't the worst
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thing in the world. Not gonna lie, okay, because it's
certainly it offers intrigue, okay, whether whether you like either
player or neither player, it's certainly intrigued, okay, And there's
nothing wrong with that when it comes to people paying attention.
So you know, we'll be there to kind of hash
(12:05):
it all out and document it and I'm interested to
see how this plays out.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
What do you start And we'll double back to the
quarterback situation because you had the report last week with
both Adam Schefter and then you know throughout ESPN regarding
the return of normalcy, if you will, for Anthony Richardson,
I want to save that here for a little bit
further down the road. Outside of that position, though you're
going to hard target. What's in your focus to start camp?
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Well, I the guy I really am interested to see
a lot of is Tyler Warren. I'm not necessarily as
interested in the rest of that position group, but I
am interested to see what he looks like, particularly when
they put the pads on. You know, I think he
had a chance to really be a dynamic player with
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the ball in his hands in the open field. That's
where I think they're really excited about getting him involved.
So I guess tight end, but Tyler Warren specifically. The
other thing is cornerback is a little bit of an
interesting position. How does that all play out? Is Juju
Brent's a factor? Certainly, Jalen Jones is going to be
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in the mix there, Servarius Ward is He's going to
play pretty much every snap because he's the guy. But
then you know, they've got they've got a couple of
young guys they want to look at. They've got a
new draft pick back there. I do want to see
how it plays out that position. I think it could
be interesting. So you know, there's a few things to watch.
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I think. So that's it's one offensive, one defense for you.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah, he's Stephenholder of ESPN dot Com covers the Colts
Rookies report tomorrow. Everybody else coming up on Wednesday. Fan
Morning Show will be there tomorrow. Kenny Moore is going
to be a part of that conversation tomorrow in the
morning with the Morning Show. Jacob you up there. I'll
be up there for the evening get togethers a little
bit later on during camp. But Stephen Hold is with
us now and they Andy More Automotive Group potline. It's
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one thing I know that there's a great deal of
trust in Bordolini right in Gonzolve is because we've been
down that path before. You've seen a little bit of something.
But the backup plan seems to be I think that's
worth watching. Is it not? Whether we're talking about the
rookie Jalen Travis or Blake Freeland being one mishap away
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from being significant pieces? Is that not concern but something
that you're going to judge and focus as well.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
You have to pay attention. There's no question about it.
I mean, I think that tackle is a question. The
tackle depth. Offensive tackle depth is a question for the Colds.
I mean, they feel good about what they've got starting
certainly Glennard Raymond has improved every single season, so that
if that a sense continues, they're good there. Having Braden
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Smith in place at right tackle, I think is a
good thing. He is probably not the player he once was,
but I think he's when healthy, and I believe he's healthy,
he's still a pretty formidable guy who can really help
you in the run game in particular, So they feel
good about that. But you're always one play away, you know,
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from being in a tough spot. And I really think
it's going to fall to Jalen Travis to kind of
be the swing tackle if he can take it, you know,
the rookie that they drafted, I believe.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
In the fourth orth round.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Yeah, yes, it's been I've been on vacation.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
He is one, and that's okay. I'm gonna tell you what.
I hope he's as good on the field as he
has conversationally. He's a joy to talk to.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
First of all, like if your daughter brought him home
one day. A guy like that you feel like you
won the least. Okay, this guy Ivy League education, he well, yeah,
he started out in the heavy League, went over to
Iowa State, but you know has a Senate internship on
his resume. Okay, the guy he also I think he's
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starting like and he's starting a nonprofit or something like
that to work in the community. I mean, like talk
about a dream. But I do think that he is
He's not just you know, a guy who who can
just put words together. I mean the word is that
he can play and that they're excited about him. He's
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not finished product, which is why he went in the
fourth round, but he doesn't have to be. He's he's
a little bit developmental. But you can be that and
still be a good backup option there and breakfully Blake Freeland.
You know, we'll see whether he has taken a step forward.
I think he needs to take a step if he
wants that job. But Jalen Travis is the guy that
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I'll be watching at the outset in terms of depth inside,
I think they have more options and more to work with.
But well, we'll see who kind of grabs hold of that.
But they have some experience at least.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Inside Janmen Travis's parents. According to Jalen, Travis went to
high school with Prance too, so there's some conversation to
be had. We discussed Paisley Park at length when he
was on back in.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
The Spring Love Love Paisley Park.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
No doubt about that. It's Stephen Holder and Andy Moore
Automotive Group plot line. Anybody going to receive any extensions
over the course, sometimes there's news regarding that, anybody going
to be that center of attention for a day or
an hour or two coming up here right.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
The guy I'm watching is Bernard Raymond. I have not
heard any momentum toward that, but I would argue that
it makes a hell of a lot of sense to
get that done. The alternative is you are doing that
contract on the fly leading up to free agency next spring,
and it ain't going to get cheaper unless you know,
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he takes a step back or something. It's only going
to get more expensive in my opinion. And let's be honest,
you got to have them, you got to. So I
think he is the guy to watch, and there is
another guy to watch. I just don't think anything's going
to happen, and that is Alex Pears. I have no
expectation of a deal happening there, not because Colts don't
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like them, but because, look, I'll just I'll go out
on a limb here. My prediction is that he's not
on this.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
I was going to ask you, why are we watching
his final season here?
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Do you think? I think? I do? And and again
and not because, to be clear, not because he is
not a good player. The Coats love Alec Pears. I
think there's just some realities here that that we have
to consider, and one of them is a couple of things.
Number One, they have some depth at that position. They
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have other guys that got to pay. They can't pay everybody,
and that's just where we are. They love Josh Downs
as they should. They They are still convinced that that
a d Mitchell can be a player, and if they
can ever get him to get his head straight, they're
going to have a heck of an athlete there. Right,
it's early, so I don't know where that's going to go.
(19:19):
But the point is they've invested resources at that position
and Alec Pearce has ofscended, so his price has gone up.
So you know, what are you going to pay that guy?
I mean, if he makes it the free agency, I'm
telling you, people are going to be shocked at what
he makes I'm telling you right now. And he knows that.
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The Colts know that, so they can't come to him
with some ridiculously low offer. It's insulting, right. So I
just don't think. I don't see the scenario where that
gets done now and they can make a deal that
makes sense for them given what they've got coming down
the pike at that position. So I just don't anticipated
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how important.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Is it for the evolution for real, and not in
terms of not Dante moncreefing it here.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
With ad Mitchell, that's that's the heck of a reference,
and not a terrible one because also a great athlete,
you know, who was very impressive, all kinds of speed,
but never could put it all together. I do think
that I remember remember when ad Mitchell was drafted and
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there was all that buzz about what the scouts were
saying and he's some you know, of some sort of
bad apple or something, and none of that was ever true, Okay,
And I did follow up on that. I couldn't find anything.
There was no smoking gun with this kid. But I
think we found the smoking gun. The smoking gun is
that he's just not a polished guy. He's not a
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polish player, right, I mean, that's that's what it was,
and I think we see it now. There was never
any trouble maker aspect to him that I am aware of.
I just think that he has some deficiencies that he's
got to fix. But he is tantalizing when it comes
to his athletic profile and his ability to get down
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the field. Just his ability to win at the line
of scrimmage is I mean, I think he's got from
that perspective in that particular part of his game. He
might be the best wife they have in terms of
winning at the line of scrimmage. That is saying something
for a guy who's only played one full NFL season.
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The question is can he finish a play, can we
trust his hands, and can he execute be where he's
supposed to be at the right time. I mean, he
hasn't proven any of those things. So the Buis news
is they have a lot to work with, but he
has to take that next step. They can't do that
for him. He's got to They can leave into the water.
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He's got to take that next step. But my god,
if he can, they're going to have a hell of
a player right there.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Stephen Older of ESPN dot COM's on the Andy Moore
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will they be before they say, you know what, we're
gonna have to go out and do something else.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
That's a great question. I think I think we'll see.
I don't know. I think they'll I think they'll know
when you see it. One thing I would say is
they have made mistakes at that position before Nicoles. You
know they they did it with you know, they deal
with specs quite frankly, right. They also, to a in
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a different manner, did that with Anatvin Arry when they
let that issue that injury issue. I presume it was
an injury and let it linger and he was missing
and missing and missing, costing them games all of those things. Right, So,
so I really do think that they have to not
(23:16):
repeat mistakes of the past. They just can't and I
do wonder if they if this is a real competition here.
I mean because ultimately Spencer Schrader has a very thin resume. Okay,
he just does. And and I don't know if if
they should necessarily proceed as if as if they're they're
(23:38):
fine there, I mean, they're not saying that, but they
don't really have any proven competition on the roster right now.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Right would you rather them still have Matt Gay?
Speaker 3 (23:49):
I think with Matt Gay the problem was the combination
of performance and money, right so so so for them
it didn't make sense. But I don't know. I thought
he was I thought he was fine except when you
got to the longer distances. That was that was the
issue with him. But he was pretty reliable when it
(24:11):
came to when it came to you know, inside of
what now like forty five or so, like you could
kind of sit your watch to that. The problem is
when you pay a guy that kind of money, you
expect him to make the fifty three fifty four yarders,
and he was just wildly inconsistent when it came to those.
But I do think your question is is a reasonable question,
(24:34):
like taking the money out of it, would you rather
have the proven guy. Maybe maybe you know, we'll see,
we're gonna learn a little more about Spencer Trader. I
don't think we know enough yet, Yeah we don't.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I just I was kind of curious just how flexible
it might be if they go, oh, I hope not.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Yeah. Yeah, that's gotten them in trouble. Quite frankly, it
has gotten them in trouble. So we will find out
if they have learned some lessons there.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
I think think Mooney has the chance to be the
most talented corner that we have seen here. Is that
fair to say?
Speaker 3 (25:09):
I mean he should be up there if he plays
the way he played two years ago. The answer to
that question is possibly yes. So last year, well documented
is his young daughter passed away. He's been very clear
that he was in a terrible headspace last year. Okay,
because of course he was right, So I'm giving him
(25:31):
a pass on anything that happened last year. And he
wasn't terrible. Okay, let's be clear, he was fine, but
he wasn't an all pro level player two years ago.
He was, So if he still has that in him,
and I see no reason that he doesn't. If he
still has that in him, they're gonna have one hell
of a player, There's no doubt about that. I'm very
(25:52):
interested to see it. When I look back at my time,
at least in town, I think the guy who comes
to mind that I think is the best corner I've
seen play here is Vonte Davis during that stretch maybe
in twenty fourteen where the Colts I thought were where
that was a defense that you know, that was a
(26:12):
good version of that defense, a really good version. And
he personally had a great season that year. I think
he was I don't remember if he made All Pro,
but he was certainly a Pro bowler back when the
Pro Bowl kind of meant something, So yeah, I think
he could have that kind of impact. And we saw
Vonte Davis that year basically take away half the field.
(26:33):
They weren't thrown at him because quarterbacks weren't stupid. Then
this guy could have that kind of impact. And I
love this particular part of it is that lou Anarumo
is going to let him be him, because what's the
point of having a guy who can lock people down
if you don't let him lock people down. So that's
what I'm looking for this year from Shavarius Ward.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
I don't know too much about the Jesse Bates career.
I just know that it's weird when he left since
Nat for Atlanta, their defense went to hell in a
hand basket for whatever reason. I mean they lost other
guys too, anybody comparable you think of that secondary at
safety to what lou Anroumo coached up when they were
really good defensively with Cincinnati, and Bates was a part
of it.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Well, I mean cam Bynum has has definitely got his
hands on a lot of footballs.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Where he is all skill. This is what you're talking
about here.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
I like it, Yes, yeah, for sure. Where he needs
to take the next step is taking the ball away,
and I think he has the ability. There's no question
about that. I Mean the good thing about about cam
is you're getting a guy in his prime. You know.
With Ward, I mean you could argue, I mean, you
know this is a stretch maybe, but I mean he
(27:45):
turned twenty nine this year, so is he on the
downside at that position? Maybe he might be. You know,
they may not get like his they may not get
multiple years of his prime. But cam Bynum I think
is out of the twenty five twenty six, So I
mean he's right in there where you want to, you know,
acquire a guy if he's going to be a big
(28:08):
free agency pickup. So I'm interested to see if he
can be that. He has the ability, there's no question
about it. And again, it really is about taking the
ball away, and Byingham has talked about that. To his credit,
he has made he has said that that's that's the
priority is taking the ball away. I'm looking at him now.
I mean he had he had three picks last year,
(28:30):
which is which is fine. But here's the thing. He had,
you know, ten pass deflections last year. So I mean
he's around the football, he's getting his hands on the ball,
but he wants to take it to the next level
and that means taking it away, getting those you know,
four or five six picks you know, this coming season.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
We shall end with a quarterback question. Which one of
the top two in this case has more of a
margin for training camp error.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
I think Daniel Jones. And here is why, because with
Anthony Richardson, and this is not a comment on ability,
this is just a comment on like reality. The reality
with with Anthony Richardson is he's battling on two fronts.
I've said this before, but I think it's worth repeating.
He's battling on two fronts. And what I mean by
(29:19):
that is he's got doubts about his health and then
there's doubts about him just in terms of performance. Daniel Jones.
Clearly there's doubts about his performance because the New York
Giants said, get out of here, we don't want you
to be our starter anymore. But there is at least
less maybe anxiety about whether he's going to be available
(29:43):
okay health in terms of health, and so it sort
of streamlines the issues for Daniel Jones. The issue with
Daniel Jones is like, do you believe that he can
be an effective and consistent starter? With Anthony Richardson, You're
asking two questions, can he be a consistent starter and
can he stay healthy? So I don't think he I
(30:05):
just think he has to think about it. I believe
Richardson has to. Just knowing what we know, it feels
like he has to perform, like vastly outperform Daniel Jones
to win this thing, you know, just because the reality
is there's two separate sets of doubts about him. So
I hope that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Steven Holder ESPN, ESPN dot Comedy is going to be
there to document tomorrow, be there on Wednesday and then
throughout telling you every single situation that happens under center
for this football team. There you go, and summer is
officially over.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Yes it is. It was for a while, it lasted.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
No, no, it's more over than the song's Summertime by
DJ Jessey Jeff and the Fresh Friends.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
It is. That is correct, all right.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
I appreciate you. Thanks, we'll see you up there when
we get.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Up there soon.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Thank you, David Stavin Older you got it, es p N,
ESPN dot com on the Andy more Ado Modif Group
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