August 13, 2025 • 46 mins
00:00 - 20:55 - Kevin Bowen from The Fan Morning Show joins JMV to talk about the Indiana State Fair, the disappointing Fever loss last night to one of the worst teams in the league (and the complaining about the officiating from Stephanie White), the joint practices between the Colts and the Packers, and more!
20:56 - 46:11 - Joel Erickson of the IndyStar joins the show! Joel and JMV discuss the Colts-Packers joint practices, and who might get playing time in the actual preseason game this Saturday. They also talk about who they think will win the battle for the starting quarterback job.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Are they Andy Moore Automotive Group Potline bat By the way,
thank you for that message. I hope I answered your
question accurately and adequately enough. Right there, Kevin Bowen from
The Morning Show joins, I hello, keV.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Oh John, how are you.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
I'm at the State Fair. I'm trying to track down
some bison meat. I need some bison. It's lean, it's
good for me. Bison meat. What do you think they
got it.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I'm trying to think where it is. It's like it's
Pioneer Village. I want to say it's right across from that.
Uh yeah, I can picture it right now. I remember
kind of making my way around to some kid rides
last week with the kids and saw a bunch of
bison sign and thought, oh man, I love me a
(00:48):
good bison burger. And that's what John needs to keep
that body going.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
keV.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
That's why you're my little brother from another mother. That's
see it. We're bison brother is right there. We know
what's good bison me's awesome. By the way, too, have
you had it?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, it is.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Uh it is excellent.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
So yes, it's calling your name.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yeah right, I mean, boy, I can picture right now,
right across from Pioneer Ville. It's kind of buzzed up
against the massive parking lot.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah, hell, can you mention this?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
You know?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. That's what I was thinking.
Now you said, is call my name? Do bison make noise?
Do they neigh or yell or grunt or growl?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
What do they do? We know what.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Bison do because I mean we can bring that up
because they're bringing back to bison down in Blimington this year.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Right, Yeah, I mean, let me let me go into
Max Bowe's room and bring out his Animal Shouting book
and I can.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Let you know, Hey, can you go ahead and slide
in a DVD of Wild Kingdom from nineteen sixty five,
Have Marlon Perkins tell us what a bison might do?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, honestly, one of the best show, Like on Saturday morning,
we like wake Up and you know it's just all right,
when do we stop, you know, letting them watch cartoons?
And we've come across on WHR They've got like one
of those shows on. I swear it's like nine or
ten am, and I'm like, now, this is awesome. Here
we are modern animals in the wild. Kids are enthralled. Yes,
(02:19):
they absolutely love it. And on the IU front, are
is it gonna be a live bison? I don't want
any mascot. I want a real live bison. No, I
preferly behind the visitors bench.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Well, you know, and I feel bad about you could
go over to Red for I don't know. Are the
Red Fraser bison at that bison farm? I think it's
in and around Worthington, around Green County? Are they real
bison or are they like a cow bison Mitch? Are
they a mixture of something? Are they real like absolute bison?
(02:53):
I don't know that for sure. Yeah, I don't bison hybrid.
I don't know if you want to bison hybrid running around?
Speaker 6 (02:59):
Do you right?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:01):
I don't, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I'm trying to channel my inner John Decker here with
IU Athletics. I thought back in the day, I thought
they they had a live bison that they kept somewhere
in Brown County. I could be dead wrong on that,
but as soon as I heard that, I said, bring
it back twenty twenty five. How many live mascots do
(03:23):
we even have in college sports anymore? I mean, we
can't have more than five or six.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
What's that anghorn? Bevo?
Speaker 1 (03:30):
And there's a you know, they have a bison or
a buffalo in Colorado that runs all over the place
and craps everywhere too, right, I think, right, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Do we have a live ram or the Colorado State
Rams allowed to have a ram out there?
Speaker 4 (03:45):
I'm sure I'm forgetting. I'm forgetting something.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
So yeah, I mean you got Ugu, obviously got Butler Blue.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
You know.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
I mean again, these are things that.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
We need, real live college It's just something about college
football that ive animal mask.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
I just had something.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Hey, do you remember this is well before you and
this was well, I want to say, this is in
the era of Colts losing, although that's where we are
right now, but it was in the early stages in
that era of Colts losing when they had the horse
on the field that took a dump in the end zone.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Do you remember that? Have you seen that picture?
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I was going to say I don't have in person
memories of it, but yes, I definitely seen the photo.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Yeah, that's what you don't want.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
You can't have the mascot taking a dump anywhere on
the field, ken you.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
No, no, no, no, that's that's.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Probably where you have to draw the line there, especially
when you already have a pretzel. It looks like one
that's problematic too.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Boy, yeah, that.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Is that is quite the sight there, the old the
old pretzel there.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yeah, I thought that. Do you see that?
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Did you see that that in a horse shoe designed
or did you immediately see it in.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
A uh crap design?
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, so to speak, Yeah, now I saw it in the.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Ladder again, we're we're trying to potty train Max Zone.
Not that is not gonna looking like that, But I've
just seen so much that Yeah, that was that was
hot and didn't give me a sided cheese with that
and section four twenty three waiting for Blue to do
the allegiance talks. Now I saw exactly youth though.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, that's that's problematic right there.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
That is Kevin Bowen with us. We'll double back to
the Colts.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
I know we'll both be up there coming up tomorrow
for the practice against the Packers, then obviously preseason game
two coming.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Up on Saturday.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
But I made a point keV for this last night,
and and I'll give the Fever credit for one of
the three games above five hundred with what they've had
to deal with injury wise has been massive this year.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
I do get that, but I've had my limit of the.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Officiating complaints and not normally one that loves to point
the finger at professional officials, whether it's NBA or WNBA.
I mean, it's all pretty funny to me, and I
like to make fun of him, but I'm over that.
For one, you turn the ball over eighteen times, and
you're going to struggle beating anybody, even a team as
(06:18):
bad as Dallas. If you turn it over eighteen times,
I think twelve times in the first half that's problematic.
And the other thing is I think this Stephanie White
is kind of pushed the limit on this enough because
we're almost seeing the Sibonis effect. If you remember back
in the day of Sabonis here and I used to
talk about him getting the worst whistle in the NBA,
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and that kind of materialized into him constantly beefing with
the officials standing down on one end while the play
is going on the other end. And you see some
of that from Elijah Boston. And I think when your
coach talks about it as much as she has now,
it entitles the player to do it.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
And that is detrimental across the board. At this point, I.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Would let the fans and the media bring it up
if they want, I would all together drop it.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Well, and no one's complaining more than Kaitlyn Clark, if
we're going to be totally honest.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
About the whole thing. I mean, yes, you.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Know, when she plays certainly, and then I think maybe
it's just because we don't watch her on the floor.
We haven't watched her on the floor lately, but she's
shit be pulled back nightly, you know, when she's in
street clothes, you know, so that I don't think is
helping the cause either. Yeah. I mean I thought last night.
I kind of said it this morning. I thought, if
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there is a bad loss without her, last night was
a poster child of it. You know, Dallas was missing
one of their best players. It's not like Pagebeckers went
off and they come into your building and and beat you.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
And they're one of the.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Worst teams in the league having lost five straight. So uh, yeah,
to me, you know, I think overall all, yeah, they're
probably a their conversation with WNBA officiating, But you know,
to go there after a game when you deserve to lose, Yeah,
I didn't necessarily agree with that.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
It was it's a lame crutch and you can't have
it because again, I think it entitles the players to
accommodate and then you see that and how detrimental that
is on the floor. Yeah, I think listen, Eliah Boston
can be one of the better players in the w NBA,
but oftentimes she's dealing with a lot out there that
(08:37):
unfortunately keeps her from playing I think on both ends
the way that she should.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
I thought at times last night there were examples of that.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah, it's frankly, last night, I mean they just got
their ass kicked down low by a six to seven
bench player having a career game. I mean, if you
you know, if you kind of want to summar Yeah,
obviously there's a questionable call. They're late, but at that
point in the game, I would try to pronounce their name.
But I've butchered at about seven times this morning. But yeah,
the the bench player for Dallas is dominant off the bench.
(09:12):
So that's where the game was well, and really it
was probably lost more in the third quarter and maybe
even the start as well. You know, you had that
fiery run there in the second quarter, but you know,
one more effort there in the fourth quarter, you can
climb the mountain. One climbing at a second time. It
is probably too much ask for and that was clear.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
So Kevin Bowen in the morning show, so that ten
am on the fan Weight Day mornings Monday through Friday.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Right here, we'll get away from that for a moment.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
What do you think is going to be more of
the tail the tape, What is witnessed in the joint
practice with the Packers tomorrow, or what's going to be
on the field in preseason game two on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
That quarterback wise, I should.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Say, yeah, I you know, I know people are in
NFL people they you know, look at you's going practices
and they hold them in super super high regard. I
still think the game rests and the fact that you
can get literally hit at quarterback, I think those are
really really hard not to treat and higher regard for me,
(10:20):
especially with Anthony Richardson's situation, and you know how much
you revert back to old habits when it is real
and when you do have the injury history that he does.
So that's where I would go, you know, from a
health standpoint Green, but he's not gonna play their starters
in the preseason game, so I think some would point to, okay, well,
then tomorrow means more, and yeah, they probably will do more.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Well, they have a lot of guys that are injured
in general though, so they're just gonna have guys missing
because they're injured right now.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, they're missing arguably the best defender and David McKinney
in the safety. And then you know, probably more of
their injuries are offensively wide out. They're super banged up
right now. And then obviously you mentioned Jordan Love, So yeah,
I think with House to night went in Baltimore and
knowing how frustrated Change Second was at that play, I
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think that game, especially a quarter and a half, where
you know you can bounce back from that stuff. Unfortunately
we didn't get to see the opportunity for him to
bounce Baskins Baltimore because he got hurt. You know, can
you do that within a game? And you know have
that aneia that it's so critical to have as a quarterback.
So you know, both of them obviously are elevated. I
think situations and I think both matter, and yeah, there
(11:31):
are some benefits to joint practices. You don't get in
a game. But I guess if you've made me pick
one or the other, I'd probably slightly go with the game.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Kevin Bowen, So they anymore? Automotive group pileline right here.
Tomorrow is the joint practice with the Packers, final day
of camp up at Grant Park and Westfield, and then
preseason game two coming up on Saturday. So you guys
had Rick Carlisle on the show this morning taking the
high road on miles, which we'll get to in a second.
(12:01):
But here's here's what I absolutely love about Rick. He's
I think he is just letting the talk down, the
anti belief in this Pacer team this season because of
the injury and the defection. I think he's letting that
fester organically or naturally right now, letting other people just
(12:24):
kind of and hoping to get extra motivation out of
this group. I love the way, at least that's the
way I gather he's handling that right now.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I think he even brought up the over under, if
I'm not mistaken, he did.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
He did. I love it.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
At one point in the cop I don't know how
many twenty you know, year veteran coaches are bringing up
Vegas over unders in August, but you know, he clearly
has said attention to some of that. So yeah, I
think it'll be much more of like maybe kind of
year two when he got back here of like, hey,
you know we have you know, kind of fully embrace
the underdog, everyone's counting us out and that sort of aspect.
(13:04):
And you know, he was right at different iterations of
our combo. You know, he brought up just how different
it will be. I mean, Terry's Halliburn does so much
for you, and you know you might have to win
a little bit uglier and really feed into you know,
you're just outright hustle and the defensive end of the floor,
(13:24):
which is not something you talk about, you know, when
when Halliburn is out there really at all. So yes,
I think he will definitely want to play that.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Card a whole whole lot.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
I mean, he was already in mid season mode. I
mean he brought up Oklahoma City on the you know,
second night of the back to back for the first
home game of the season and all of those things.
So yeah, I think Rick will fully embrace that, will
want to play into that. And you know, I think
on the surface there's reasons for that to be successful.
(13:55):
There is definitely a big part of me that thinks
there will be various points in the season where we
look at the Pacers and think, Man, I don't know
if we've appreciated Tyre Taliburton, not just with everything he
does and how much easier offensively he makes the game
for so many guys. But yeah, Rick, I think is
(14:17):
in full full ready to you know, play up that
underdog and no one believes in us and counting us
out all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Yeah, I listen, keV.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
That role is one that has fit this group even
when it's at full strength. It's fit this group perfectly,
So I listen. I buy that strategy. It's funny, right,
because I think we've all tried to distance ourselves from
the oh woe was us? There's no national game, you know,
there's no Christmas game. You know we're you know, we're
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not being respected. I think we try to distance ourselves
from that now. But I love how the whole underdog
role and the theme has played for this team.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
And it's even done it when they've been full strength, right.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
I mean, how many times last year in the playoff
run did Rick even bring up, you know that that
line really, I mean, I think back to our Tuesday
conversations and you know, hell of the whatever twenty five
playoffs games the Faces had, he would bring up, you know,
we've been.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
The underdog and eighteen of them or yep.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Nineteen of them, So that's always been something on his mind.
And individually, you know, for a guy like Andrew Nemhart,
or a guy like Aaron E. Smith, or a guy
you know, even Siakam through a degree, whether they where
they are drafted or organizations saying no to them, obviously
whatever happens at the center will have a bit of
a field to that. So yeah, this will be you know,
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last year's story, the deeper it went. Yeah, you you
naturally became that feel good story. This is one that
you know you're gonna be written off, you know, from
October twenty eighth, you know, on whenever the season starts.
You know, last year was if you'd have told us,
you know, to start the last season, hey the Face
was going to be the four seed, you would have
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thought that was that crazy. Now this year, if you said, hey,
PACER's going to be the three of the four seeds,
you know, that's a little bit more in the lofty category,
which from a coaching standpoint, I think is exactly what
you want, and you want, you know, Nemhard playing for
a little more. Certainly Matheren's playing for a little bit more,
and he Smith has an extension available obviously center as well.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
I think I see the smoke from the bison meat
over there right now.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
You gotta have but he got on site, You got Balin,
you got Devin, you got Cam, you gotta you gotta send.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Him over there.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Hey, how unusual of a request might have been to
a guy like John Griffin to send him after bison
and weird?
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Well, I think as.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Long as he's come back with the bison, I'd be worried.
He'd send you a two and a half minute voice
memo explaining.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
To you.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Everything about the bikes and everything about you know, the
great things of the State Fair.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Love you, grip that you are.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
It's a way of a pound and a half of
bison on thirty five hundred call a precil bond.
Speaker 7 (17:15):
No, you're right, that's so true, so true, all right,
So yeah, Colt's coming up on Saturday for a preseason
game number two, and then the joint practice Before I'll
let you go here, give me a couple of thoughts
on what you're going to be looking for and are
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we going to see hopefully a secondary.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
We talked about the Packers being all dinged up right
now in camp, but this cold secondary is beyond dinged up,
I mean health wise. Are we going to see some
guys come back here relatively soon or is that kind
of a trouble spot for you presently?
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Definitely a trouble spot. You know, outside of the obvious quarterback,
I think, you know, anytime you need to joint practices,
what happened in the trenches, it sounds like Green Bay
is healthy. O line D line. They whipped you, I
thought in that area last year in that week two
lost when Malik Wilson was a quarterback, and then outside
of that just a linebacker and corner. I mean, those
are the two that I think are really you know,
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I would say for most of years, John, you know,
three and a half weeks out of the regular season,
you could say who the starters were, all twenty two
of them. Obviously quarterback you can't right now. Linebacker and
corner are two other ones that I can't name. The
starter yet so Dex's ire Franklin and then alongside Kenny
Moore and Cavarious Ward. And that's assuming you know Kenny
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is healthy.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
So those are a couple of positions.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
I think to watch too, Stevin Bowen, It's the Fan
Morning Show with Jeff Rickard and James Boyd coming up
tomorrow morning.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
At seven am.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
You guys are going to be in the studio, right,
You're not going up to Grant Park?
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Correct, Yes we are.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Our Grant's Park practices are over.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
I guess tomorrow's so everybody.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
After in indeed, indeed all right? And you are you
still doing stuff with uh WISH TV Channel eight?
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I am yet started. Uh we did one opening night
at camp. I think we've got another one coming up after.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
The Green Bay game.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
So yeah, supposed to be my third year doing Sunday
primarily Sundays and Mondays with h with the great team
over there at which.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
During the cool things going over there? By the way,
do you see our good friend Gina she works over
there now?
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, always great CEO. Gina and I go
way back.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Gina's brother, Uh well actually they grew up next door
neighbors with my best friend growing up. So I hung
out with him a lot back in the day, so
we go way back.
Speaker 6 (19:44):
So, yeah, see her.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Over there, and I'm very glad that we've uh, you know,
brought her on board.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Very smart decision by then.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Always make fun of the toilet's not flushing over there sometimes,
and then I have to think about the fact when
our toilet's flush, it sounds like somebody's playing a trombone.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I swear I got off the elevator yesterday morning and
I could hear that thing flush the moment I got
I'm like Tony Cats in there for an hour.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
I'm like, no, that's just howlet flush.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
It sounds like the news room and like a fog
horn in San Francisco. In San Francisco before the live Bison.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Runs out of the tunnel to bring Kurt Signettian company,
they just need to play that horn to alert everybody
that's crazy about that.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
I think somebody flushed the toilet inside of the MS
building that they have for sale for thirty five million dollars.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Good luck with that, So yes, good luck with that anyway, keV.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
I'll see you out there coming up tomorrow. We'll have
some fun, all right, John enjoy the fair meantime of
they anymore automotive group Potline. He has a friend of
the show. He's a big time fan of the Brewers,
and we absolutely love to go old school Brewers on
this show as much as possible. And I'm sure he
really wants to talk about him now, considering they are
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running away from things in the central and looking as
good as anybody maybe not named the Toronto Blue Jays
as of right now.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Joel A. Erickson joins us, Hello, Joel, how are you.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
I'm doing good?
Speaker 5 (21:24):
Are you aware?
Speaker 6 (21:25):
You probably aren't.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Are you aware of the George Webb promotion in Milwaukee?
Speaker 3 (21:29):
I am not help me out.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
There is a burger joint in Milwaukee called George Webb.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
It's like a diner, and it's.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
Been around for a long long time.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
And they said in the forties or something like that
that if the local baseball team won twelve games in
a row, they would give out free burgers.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
And it's happened twice.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
Happened in nineteen eighty seven with your guy Robbed the Ear.
Happened in nineteen eighty seven with your Guy Robbed the Hear.
It happened in twenty eighteen, and currently they are like
an inning away from this burger joint having to shell
out free burgers to the entire city for the third time.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Holy crap. Yeah, I don't know what.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
The Indianapolis I don't know what the Indianapolis.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
Equivalent would be.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Some kind of Pacers winding streak.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
We need to get a restaurant on this.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Yeah, I didn't see that.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
That's how kind of like this.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
They've been doing this promotion in Cincinnati with you know,
hit the Toyota Tundra and win the Tundra, and nobody
ever gonn hit that hang up there.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
I mean, I guess probably the.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Best opportunity is Kyle Swarbur who's been in town with
the Phillies. Probably nobody's ever going to Nobody's ever gonna
hit it up there. I would you say, La, I
guess could hit it up there.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
But I mean this is one where.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
You know, normally they kind of put something at a
reach in which to so I'm assuming I thought anything
like what happened, and I would say I would agree.
I mean, it has been a magical season, and you
bring up the Pacers and they kind of lived on
everything up until Game seven of the NBA Finals going
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right for them to get to where they ultimately got
in the postseason.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
It's a very there's some analog there's some analogs beyond
the fact that they kind of have the same color
scheme for the jersey they you know, Miles Turner had
the power of Friendship quote.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
The Breweries have shirts with.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
The power of Friendship on them.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
So there's there's some analogs. I think between.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
The Pacers and the and the Brewers. We, like I said,
we need to get a We needed a local restaurant
on a twelve Pacers games in a row or something,
everybody gets free burgers. Like I said, I don't know
what the right restaurant is, but someone's got to do it.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
So is this detrimental or beneficial to the burger chain?
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Uh, that is a great question.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
I they don't have insurance for it. I think it's
I think it's pretty tough for them when it happened,
because it's my understanding is that when they've figgered this
promotion in the past, it's been thousands and thousands and
thousands of burgers because anybody in Milwaukee can.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Show up and just ask for a burger.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
So I do think they take a bit of.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
A hit on it, but it also keeps people going
into a into a diner that you know. Quite frankly,
my understanding is that it was much more popular back
in the day than it is now.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Okay, that's uh, certainly understandable.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Well, listen, I would have to think anybody would want
to be involved in a magical season like that, especially
the way that things are going right now. Because I
mentioned outside of the Blue Jays, you're watching the Blue Jays,
there's no more exciting and winning consistently team out there
than what you've seen from the Brewers.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
Likely it's it's it's only mid August.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
The guys put that in there, but yeah, it's.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
If they win this one, I think they go to
thirty two games.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Over five hundred, which is not a number that they've
ever really been at at the end of.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
The re And how good does it make him feel
considering that at the same time, they're also doing a
curb stomp to Craig Council.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Is that good?
Speaker 6 (25:08):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, folks, true true Brewers.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
Fans are not the biggest fans of that.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Gentleman, I don't imagine, so don't imagine so at all.
So I can see that everybody's pretty happy about that.
Two good things in like a package right here with
Joey Ericson of the Star. Hey, I was talking about.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
This a little bit earlier.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
We'll get to the whole quarterback situation in just a second,
because I do have an interesting question about that dynamic
as it pertains to tomorrow and then again on Saturday.
But outside of that, what's your major focus coming up
tomorrow in that joint practice with the Packers.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
I want to see if.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
And this has kind of gotten neutralized a little bit
here because Jordan Love is not going to play in it.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Well, I kind of want to see how some of these.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Corners that we weren't talking about at the beginning of
camp fare against the Green Bay receivers. And I think
that I think Green Bay receivers are also pretty banged up.
I think I saw that today. But you know, we
still don't really know the extent of the hamstring injuries
of Jalen Jones and Juju Brench justin Wallly's out for
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the year. You know, is Sam Womack gonna be playing
significant snaps in the season opener, first couple of games
is Jonathan Edwards, the undrafted free agent from Tulane, is
he going to be playing significant snap? I want to
see if they if those guys kind of hold up
there against the Packers' offense a little bit, since since
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a thought that we all thought was going to be
pretty deep has been sinned out considerably.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Did injury. I get that, and get that a great deal.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
It's funny because on the Packer side of things, they're
dealing with a lot of injuries too, But it doesn't
seem like and we're not there. I mean, we don't
concentrate on that like we do the Colts, but it
doesn't seem like that they're as engaged and as concerned
about it there because I don't know how many of
their guys we're going to play anyway now in the
joint practice. Probably so, but you know, they're as much
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of a mass unit as we've seen with the Colts
in that secondary really across the board for that Packer
team so far.
Speaker 6 (27:22):
Yeah. Absolutely, And my.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
Guest has been this week that whatever the Colts decide
to do, and it sounds like Shane Stakin is going
to play as starters for the first quarter, I still
think maybe a couple of those guys aren't.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
We're not going to see them.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Maybe the Jonathan Piers type.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Maybe we don't see, but the Packers haven't. I don't
know if the Packers have said I haven't seen if
Matt le Fleuri said anything today. But I'm not really
expecting the Packers to play their guys.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Because their guys played last week.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
Their guys played last week in the preseason game, and
I was thinking that they'd probably take the opportunity because.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
They are They have.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
Injuries up and down the wide receiver room.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
Jordan Love is out until.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
I think they most people don't expect to really see
him until the fee's an opener, so they've got their
own injuries. I wonder if they hold off in that
preseason game, and I wonder if that first quarter is
starters for the Colts against backups for the Packers.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Joe I mentioned this in terms of the Burger join
in Milwaukee. Is that detrimental or beneficial for the Colts
or does it not matter? Because I just think that
don't you want to see your guys, especially when you
have so many questions about your guys at the most
important position too, Don't you want to see your guys
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going against their guys, and if that doesn't happen, I
know you maybe he's going to see that tomorrow. But
that does not seem like it's as beneficial as it
needs to be for the Colts.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
I think that they would prefer I think they would
prefer to see the starters, but I also think that
they probably so I don't. I know, they pretty much
look at these guys as these joint practices as that's
their time to see the starters versus the starters.
Speaker 6 (29:10):
To break stuff out.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
I think in those practices they can do a little
bit more.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
They can you know, and mess with.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
Their scheme a little bit more, show a little bit
more than they would in the preseason.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
Game putting that on tape.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
They that's why all these teams are doing, you know,
multiple joint practices now where they used cannot do that.
They've gone that way because they can control the scenario
a little bit more and keep some of their stuff
from ending up on tape. You know, we were talking
to Loui a and A Rumo the other day and
he was saying, we're not showing anything in this in
these preseason games.
Speaker 6 (29:44):
We're playing very vanilla stuff. You can do a little
bit more of that in the joint practice.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
And I know I know in the past that the
staffs have gotten together before the practices that hey, can
you give us a little bit of this and test.
Speaker 6 (29:57):
Us this way?
Speaker 5 (29:58):
So yeah, it really comes down to that joint practice
more than the preseason game these days.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
So do you think that the determination on the week
one starting quarterback is going to come by virtue of
what takes place tomorrow at Graham Park in that final day.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
I it's been hard to get a read on what
Saint Psiken is thinking. And I've been thinking this all
week here after the after the the the miss blitz
and the hit last week.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
There's you know, I obviously.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
Have had not just me, you know a lot of
other guys have had their their eyes on every throw.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
We've got our thoughts on how it's gone so far.
The thing that none of us.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
Can really see and that we don't know is what
is the grade for the coaching staff on are they
going to the right place with the football? Are they
Are they picking up all those blitzes and doing all
the things that they should be doing, making the adjustments
that they should be and making post snap in practice,
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you can kind of see that, but it's kind of
hard to see that at the same time because they're
not getting hit. There's nothing like the hit Ojaba late
On Richardson to sort of who you in that's say
something went wrong, you know, So I think that's the
other thing is we just don't know that and don't
know if one of them operationally is way ahead of
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the other one.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Joeli Erickson of The Star, he is on the Andy
More Automotive Group plotline, the joint practice of the Packers
tomorrow afternoon and then preseason game number two coming up
on Saturday afternoon. Joel's again on the Andy Moore Automotive
Group potline. You're gonna give a nod one way or
the other. It's weird like national people think it's going
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to be Daniel Jones. I've always thought that it was
going to be Anthony Richardson, and I still continue to
believe it's going to be Anthony Richardson. Where would you
be right now about how all this thing, regardless of
you know, tomorrow and then on Saturday, shakes out at
the quarterback position here, I have leaned Richard.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
I leaned Richardson for the first couple of weeks of camp,
just kind of thinking, you know, if if it's fairly even, you.
Speaker 6 (32:08):
Know he's got the upside.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
The last week, though, I have taught myself.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Out of that a.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
Little bit and maybe more into a place of uncertainty,
just because that hit in the Ravens game.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
Not so much the hit that he took.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Or the injury, but the the fact that it was
his responsibility to be to find the receiver on that
play and he's the reason it took the hit and
he shouldn't have been looking that way has made me
think and made me wonder, you know, is is it is?
Speaker 6 (32:42):
Is that stuff enough? Is there enough of that stuff
going on.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
That maybe it dips back?
Speaker 5 (32:46):
It dips the it's kept back towards Jones. I just
I can't get out of my head.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Because the thing is if you have.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
If they're fairly even, then that you know you have
the upside it was Richard, But if you also have
the downside of three or four or five plays like
that per game where you have something happen and it
could be, you know, in a regular season game, you
lose your starting quarterback.
Speaker 6 (33:14):
That's one thing.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
That play also could be a fumble for a touchdown.
You know, is the downside so much that they end
up deciding to go with Daniel Jones. I don't know
where I fall I Like I said, up up until
last week, I was on the same place.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
View were where I thought they would probably go with Richardson.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
So I would have to think that that group, Joel,
I want to go with somebody that is going to
give them the opportunity.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
And we think about this all the time.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Yeah, is it important for them to win and win
early and win the most games. I mean, this is all,
you know, very easy stuff to understand.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
But you got these first two out of the gate. Well,
you can't be jacking.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Around, so I mean, it's not like you can slide
into a decision.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Well we'll wait and see. I mean, you've got to
go with somebody.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
That's going to be able to get it done, and
get it done, take advantage of a Miami secondary which
is decimated by injury and defection, I mean, and take
advantage of their injury situation. You know, do something with
Denver because you got two possibilities of the AFC maybe
right alongside of you.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
As far as outsiders in the postseason, it.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
To me, is going to be far more involved than
just going with somebody with what you see the long
term is going to be because seriously, there there are
jobs on the line, and when I say must win
early in the season, I think you can really diagram
that with this group and how they look out of
the gate in weeks one, in weeks two at home, yeah,
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and I.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
Think I think you know that that operational stuff that
knowing where to go when the blitz is coming there.
You look at that Denver defense, yes, in week two,
and you're gonna have to be on it because they're
gonna bring pressure.
Speaker 6 (35:03):
You know.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
That's that's that's something that that sticks out to me
is that you're you're gonna have to be on top
of that stuff right away as a quarterback. So much
of game planning now and so much of the NFL
is we're putting in stuff on a weekly basis that
attacks that defense is weak point. And if they don't
give us the coverage we see, are we going what
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are we gonna go to? Like if we if we
call this play for a certain coverage, we come up
to the line, they're in something else. We've built this
this answer for you into it, and uh, do you
have do you have an answer to your question?
Speaker 4 (35:41):
That stuff is.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
Is so important to the way the game works now
and the way the NFL works now. It's it's one
of the things that Shane Steichen has traditionally been great
at and why he got to this position in the
first place.
Speaker 6 (35:54):
That's that's what I want to know.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
I want to know is is one guy ahead of
the other in that part of game, because to me,
I think when you put that stuff.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
In, you're gonna want to have it.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
You want more often than not, you're gonna want your
quarterback to know that that to go to.
Speaker 6 (36:09):
The right play.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Yeah, yeah, I that even below. Like I thought about
that at the time, Joel it was one thing when
his pinky finger was going east to west and not
north to south, but it was another thing. You know
when you find out ultimately that that's that's clearly on him,
and then have all these other quarterbacks young and old,
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come out of the woodwork and all these other NFL
people and talk about how you know that is early
stages year one, week two of camp stuff you got
to learn you know that hits the mark and not
just you know with those in the program. But that
hits the mark with everybody right there. That's what I
came away with last Thursday.
Speaker 5 (36:52):
Yeah, same here, same here, And I've been wondering it
and thinking about it.
Speaker 6 (36:57):
It's kind of all week.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
You know, Shane psyching is not It's not like Brian Mason,
who essentially tells you he told us exactly what's going
on the kicker battle and why Spencer Schrader is the
front runner and everything like that. Shane is keeping his
thoughts a little closer to the vest. But yeah, that's
that's what I've been thinking about for a week now too.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
So Joey Erickson, the stars on the Andy Moro on
a Motive group plotline. What other positions in your estimation
are up for grabs?
Speaker 5 (37:24):
Linebacker for sure. You know I asked lou Ana Rumo
about what they're going to do.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
At that week side spot.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
The plan was for it to be Jalen carlive But
you know, carlive Is has been hurt. You know, he's
been out of action. He's out of action in the spring,
he's been out of action now with an ankle injury.
Speaker 8 (37:43):
I don't have a timetable and when he's back that
that's tough. That's tough for for them to to make
an evaluation and say he can start, especially in the
complex defense. You know it is it Joe BATCHI moving over?
Speaker 6 (37:59):
Is it Cam mc groan. You know, I would guess
my guess.
Speaker 5 (38:04):
Based on the way they've played so far is probably
Bachi next to the desire Franklin. But that that fought
for sure is one that I don't think they have
necessarily an answer at and I don't think they have
an answer at outside corner yet, although that one has
more to do with medical stuff than it does with
anything that we've seen on the practice field.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Yeah, no, offensive line, what's been to your impression? Because
we knew going in that, you know, right side interior,
both center and right guard, there's going to be a
new flavor there. Certainly, how's things gone there from what
you have witnessed in training camp so far at center
and at right guard.
Speaker 5 (38:43):
Yeah, that's a good question that they get a good
test obviously from Butner and from Grover's Stewart. I think
they've had some lints where you know, those those two
defensive tackles have looked the way they're supposed to look,
and that that's probably not necessarily the best thing for
for the for those two guys on the interior. Think
there's probably gonna be some growing pains from Matt Gonzalve.
He's mostly been a tackle in his in his time
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in college and last year in the pros. There'll probably
be some growing pains there. I think there'll probably be
some growing pains from Tanner Borlini. But Bordelini seems to
have taken a step forward at center since Danny Pinter's
been hurt. I know, Tony Soprano Junior feels like he's
taken a big step forward in terms of all of.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
The stuff a center.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
Has to do, identification and making adjustments and calls. That
was one of the things that Bordelinis. Bordelini said the
other day that he really struggled with coming out of college.
Speaker 6 (39:35):
But the college game has gotten so simple.
Speaker 5 (39:37):
But yeah, I think I think that there's probably gonna
be some growing pains with those spots, but they've usually
been able to handle that type of.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
Thing and and figure out a way around it.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
How do you think the caliber that they have of
wide receiver is compared to years of past I mean, listen,
t y Olton was a state of and I still
don't think he gets enough credit for being just that.
And they certainly don't have t Y Hilton, but across
the board the caliber of wide receiving threat they have.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Do you like what they have?
Speaker 5 (40:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (40:14):
I think that they have.
Speaker 5 (40:16):
Like you said, they don't have necessarily the number one,
the t Y type player, but they have they can
attack you in a lot of different ways with their
wide receiving corps, and they've got a lot of different
guys who've been very productive. I just think, and then
I think when you add Tyler Warren to that, it
really gives them a lot of My question is do
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they have a quarterback take advantage of all that? And
are we going to be able to properly judge the
receivers based on the quarterback play because we've we've learned
over the last couple of years that sometimes what might
seem like a wide receiver you know, underdeveloping or disappointing
or whatever, is it really just comes down to is
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the quarterback getting in the ball when he needs to.
Speaker 6 (41:01):
I'm thinking about Alec.
Speaker 5 (41:02):
Pierce here, but that's been that's been true of other
players as well. You know, Josh Down's numbers last year
with Flaco were very different than the ones he had
with Richardson. So a lot of a lot of the
stuff with the receivers has just tried to end the
quarterback get it to him. I do think you have
the ingredients there for a good passing game that contest
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defenses in.
Speaker 6 (41:23):
A lot of different ways. It's just do you have
the do.
Speaker 5 (41:26):
You have the guy you know distributing it to take
advantage of that?
Speaker 3 (41:31):
You look at the secondary.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Joel and they went out and got guys that they
feel are difference makers and buying them. And I talked
to to.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
Mooney the other day out at camp.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
I mean, he's got the total package at that position.
There's no doubt about that. Now got to get some
guys healthy, there's also no question. But how good do
you think that group and the secondary can be, especially
considering what lou Anarumo wants to do with them.
Speaker 5 (42:03):
Yeah, I think as long as Kenny Moore is healthy
and as long as they have somebody at the other
outside corner, I think that that Ana Roumo can can
really make that good. I cam Binham is an interesting weapon,
Like he's obviously going to play mostly free safety, but
you know he can play nickel.
Speaker 6 (42:23):
He can line up in the nickel and cover receivers
out of the slot. He can move around.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
I think I think.
Speaker 5 (42:29):
Hunter Wohler is going to be an interesting piece maybe as.
Speaker 6 (42:32):
The season goes along.
Speaker 5 (42:34):
He's he's kind of He's got a lot of flashy
played interceptions in big hits at training camp, but he's
also had some buss You'd expect that from a rookie.
But I think you know, as you get into the
game planning portion of the season, when Anna Rumo is
is playing matchups and stuff like that, I think he
can he can put those guys in different positions.
Speaker 6 (42:54):
I think the real.
Speaker 5 (42:55):
Key with the secondary now that Justin Waally is out
for the season is the help of Jalen Jones hamstring,
because Jalen Jones, to me, is a guy who's just
He just fights and competes and finds a way to
be productive at that corner position. And I think I
think in a room we can work with that out
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of a number two corner. Laatta even though even though
they liked Wally a.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Lot, Laatu latu in closing here, Joel. In year number
two we had two double digit sackers around here for
the Colts, basically since Robert Mathis and Eric Walden kind
of ran into it. I hate to say that, but
he kind of ran into sacks when he was here
and I think had eleven twelve something like that.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
Then justin Houston had double digit sacks.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Are we going to see and not even so much that,
but just a consistent threat, a difference maker from lat
to in year number two coming off the edge because
clearly that has not been the case around here.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
Sent to Robert Mathis, Yeah, I.
Speaker 5 (44:01):
Think he's good.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
I think he's gonna take a step forward.
Speaker 6 (44:03):
I do.
Speaker 4 (44:03):
I think he's I think he's taking a.
Speaker 6 (44:05):
Step forward in practice. I think it's going to be.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
Interesting to see all the.
Speaker 5 (44:09):
Different places he lines up uh And I also think
I also think it's gonna be interesting to see where
where Anna.
Speaker 6 (44:15):
Rumo decides to line buttoner up.
Speaker 5 (44:17):
You know, that's that's the guy who we think of
as usually rushing from the interior, but I think is
going to be pretty creative and how he moves him
around to give him, you know, one on one chances
against the guard. I think those two guys together they've
had butoner from the interior for a while. But I
think I think if you just get a little more bend.
Speaker 6 (44:36):
Off the edge from lats too and we it's it's
hard with camp.
Speaker 5 (44:40):
You know, he looked pretty good in camp last year
that he only had four sacks. But I think he's
probably taken a step forward and and he's got a
he's got at least a chance to be sort of
the the force player off the edge that this this
this pass rush needs to really get back to where
it was a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Hi, Joel, hang a little bit come out, yeah tomorrow
if you're cool with that right there in that tent,
and hopefully I'm not going to be honey roasted again.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
So I got those bugs all over me like I
was on Monday. That was great. So I did. Did
they spray a little bit of raid or something out there?
Speaker 5 (45:14):
Do you think My understanding is that they put the
fogger out there on the practice fields to try to
get I was alerted by a reader that I've been
calling those things sweat bees, but apparently they might be hoverflies.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
The hoverflies, Yeah they are, and I didn't know. Yeah, yeah,
And they were especially active in that tent where I
was sitting with me and Charvarius Ward, and think Grover
Stewart was in there too.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
Content came in and goes, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
I mean it kind of looked like Ambityville horror in
that tent, like the entire interview, you know, Moone's like
swatting at these things entire time. So I think that
kind of prompted the whole fogging out there too, because
they were certainly bad. Hey, comebine, hang out and say
hello tomorrow man, we'll see you up there.
Speaker 5 (46:05):
Okay, sounds good, we'll see up there.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Joelae ericson of the stars on the Anymore Automotive Group
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Are they Andy Moore Automotive Group Potline bat By the way,
thank you for that message. I hope I answered your
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The Morning Show joins, I hello, keV.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Oh John, how are you.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
I'm at the State Fair. I'm trying to track down
some bison meat. I need some bison. It's lean, it's
good for me. Bison meat. What do you think they
got it.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I'm trying to think where it is. It's like it's
Pioneer Village. I want to say it's right across from that.
Uh yeah, I can picture it right now. I remember
kind of making my way around to some kid rides
last week with the kids and saw a bunch of
bison sign and thought, oh man, I love me a
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good bison burger. And that's what John needs to keep
that body going.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
keV.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
That's why you're my little brother from another mother. That's
see it. We're bison brother is right there. We know
what's good bison me's awesome. By the way, too, have
you had it?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, it is.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Uh it is excellent.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
So yes, it's calling your name.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yeah right, I mean, boy, I can picture right now,
right across from Pioneer Ville. It's kind of buzzed up
against the massive parking lot.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah, hell, can you mention this?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
You know?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. That's what I was thinking.
Now you said, is call my name? Do bison make noise?
Do they neigh or yell or grunt or growl?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
What do they do? We know what.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Bison do because I mean we can bring that up
because they're bringing back to bison down in Blimington this year.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Right, Yeah, I mean, let me let me go into
Max Bowe's room and bring out his Animal Shouting book
and I can.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Let you know, Hey, can you go ahead and slide
in a DVD of Wild Kingdom from nineteen sixty five,
Have Marlon Perkins tell us what a bison might do?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, honestly, one of the best show, Like on Saturday morning,
we like wake Up and you know it's just all right,
when do we stop, you know, letting them watch cartoons?
And we've come across on WHR They've got like one
of those shows on. I swear it's like nine or
ten am, and I'm like, now, this is awesome. Here
we are modern animals in the wild. Kids are enthralled. Yes,
(02:19):
they absolutely love it. And on the IU front, are
is it gonna be a live bison? I don't want
any mascot. I want a real live bison. No, I
preferly behind the visitors bench.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Well, you know, and I feel bad about you could
go over to Red for I don't know. Are the
Red Fraser bison at that bison farm? I think it's
in and around Worthington, around Green County? Are they real
bison or are they like a cow bison Mitch? Are
they a mixture of something? Are they real like absolute bison?
(02:53):
I don't know that for sure. Yeah, I don't bison hybrid.
I don't know if you want to bison hybrid running around?
Speaker 6 (02:59):
Do you right?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:01):
I don't, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I'm trying to channel my inner John Decker here with
IU Athletics. I thought back in the day, I thought
they they had a live bison that they kept somewhere
in Brown County. I could be dead wrong on that,
but as soon as I heard that, I said, bring
it back twenty twenty five. How many live mascots do
(03:23):
we even have in college sports anymore? I mean, we
can't have more than five or six.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
What's that anghorn? Bevo?
Speaker 1 (03:30):
And there's a you know, they have a bison or
a buffalo in Colorado that runs all over the place
and craps everywhere too, right, I think, right, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Do we have a live ram or the Colorado State
Rams allowed to have a ram out there?
Speaker 4 (03:45):
I'm sure I'm forgetting. I'm forgetting something.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
So yeah, I mean you got Ugu, obviously got Butler Blue.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
You know.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
I mean again, these are things that.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
We need, real live college It's just something about college
football that ive animal mask.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
I just had something.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Hey, do you remember this is well before you and
this was well, I want to say, this is in
the era of Colts losing, although that's where we are
right now, but it was in the early stages in
that era of Colts losing when they had the horse
on the field that took a dump in the end zone.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Do you remember that? Have you seen that picture?
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I was going to say I don't have in person
memories of it, but yes, I definitely seen the photo.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Yeah, that's what you don't want.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
You can't have the mascot taking a dump anywhere on
the field, ken you.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
No, no, no, no, that's that's.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Probably where you have to draw the line there, especially
when you already have a pretzel. It looks like one
that's problematic too.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Boy, yeah, that.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Is that is quite the sight there, the old the
old pretzel there.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yeah, I thought that. Do you see that?
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Did you see that that in a horse shoe designed
or did you immediately see it in.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
A uh crap design?
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Yeah, so to speak, Yeah, now I saw it in the.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Ladder again, we're we're trying to potty train Max Zone.
Not that is not gonna looking like that, But I've
just seen so much that Yeah, that was that was
hot and didn't give me a sided cheese with that
and section four twenty three waiting for Blue to do
the allegiance talks. Now I saw exactly youth though.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, that's that's problematic right there.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
That is Kevin Bowen with us. We'll double back to
the Colts.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
I know we'll both be up there coming up tomorrow
for the practice against the Packers, then obviously preseason game
two coming.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Up on Saturday.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
But I made a point keV for this last night,
and and I'll give the Fever credit for one of
the three games above five hundred with what they've had
to deal with injury wise has been massive this year.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
I do get that, but I've had my limit of the.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Officiating complaints and not normally one that loves to point
the finger at professional officials, whether it's NBA or WNBA.
I mean, it's all pretty funny to me, and I
like to make fun of him, but I'm over that.
For one, you turn the ball over eighteen times, and
you're going to struggle beating anybody, even a team as
(06:18):
bad as Dallas. If you turn it over eighteen times,
I think twelve times in the first half that's problematic.
And the other thing is I think this Stephanie White
is kind of pushed the limit on this enough because
we're almost seeing the Sibonis effect. If you remember back
in the day of Sabonis here and I used to
talk about him getting the worst whistle in the NBA,
(06:38):
and that kind of materialized into him constantly beefing with
the officials standing down on one end while the play
is going on the other end. And you see some
of that from Elijah Boston. And I think when your
coach talks about it as much as she has now,
it entitles the player to do it.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
And that is detrimental across the board. At this point, I.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Would let the fans and the media bring it up
if they want, I would all together drop it.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Well, and no one's complaining more than Kaitlyn Clark, if
we're going to be totally honest.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
About the whole thing. I mean, yes, you.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Know, when she plays certainly, and then I think maybe
it's just because we don't watch her on the floor.
We haven't watched her on the floor lately, but she's
shit be pulled back nightly, you know, when she's in
street clothes, you know, so that I don't think is
helping the cause either. Yeah. I mean I thought last night.
I kind of said it this morning. I thought, if
(07:39):
there is a bad loss without her, last night was
a poster child of it. You know, Dallas was missing
one of their best players. It's not like Pagebeckers went
off and they come into your building and and beat you.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
And they're one of the.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Worst teams in the league having lost five straight. So uh, yeah,
to me, you know, I think overall all, yeah, they're
probably a their conversation with WNBA officiating, But you know,
to go there after a game when you deserve to lose, Yeah,
I didn't necessarily agree with that.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
It was it's a lame crutch and you can't have
it because again, I think it entitles the players to
accommodate and then you see that and how detrimental that
is on the floor. Yeah, I think listen, Eliah Boston
can be one of the better players in the w NBA,
but oftentimes she's dealing with a lot out there that
(08:37):
unfortunately keeps her from playing I think on both ends
the way that she should.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
I thought at times last night there were examples of that.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah, it's frankly, last night, I mean they just got
their ass kicked down low by a six to seven
bench player having a career game. I mean, if you
you know, if you kind of want to summar Yeah,
obviously there's a questionable call. They're late, but at that
point in the game, I would try to pronounce their name.
But I've butchered at about seven times this morning. But yeah,
the the bench player for Dallas is dominant off the bench.
(09:12):
So that's where the game was well, and really it
was probably lost more in the third quarter and maybe
even the start as well. You know, you had that
fiery run there in the second quarter, but you know,
one more effort there in the fourth quarter, you can
climb the mountain. One climbing at a second time. It
is probably too much ask for and that was clear.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
So Kevin Bowen in the morning show, so that ten
am on the fan Weight Day mornings Monday through Friday.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Right here, we'll get away from that for a moment.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
What do you think is going to be more of
the tail the tape, What is witnessed in the joint
practice with the Packers tomorrow, or what's going to be
on the field in preseason game two on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
That quarterback wise, I should.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Say, yeah, I you know, I know people are in
NFL people they you know, look at you's going practices
and they hold them in super super high regard. I
still think the game rests and the fact that you
can get literally hit at quarterback, I think those are
really really hard not to treat and higher regard for me,
(10:20):
especially with Anthony Richardson's situation, and you know how much
you revert back to old habits when it is real
and when you do have the injury history that he does.
So that's where I would go, you know, from a
health standpoint Green, but he's not gonna play their starters
in the preseason game, so I think some would point to, okay, well,
then tomorrow means more, and yeah, they probably will do more.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Well, they have a lot of guys that are injured
in general though, so they're just gonna have guys missing
because they're injured right now.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, they're missing arguably the best defender and David McKinney
in the safety. And then you know, probably more of
their injuries are offensively wide out. They're super banged up
right now. And then obviously you mentioned Jordan Love, So yeah,
I think with House to night went in Baltimore and
knowing how frustrated Change Second was at that play, I
(11:09):
think that game, especially a quarter and a half, where
you know you can bounce back from that stuff. Unfortunately
we didn't get to see the opportunity for him to
bounce Baskins Baltimore because he got hurt. You know, can
you do that within a game? And you know have
that aneia that it's so critical to have as a quarterback.
So you know, both of them obviously are elevated. I
think situations and I think both matter, and yeah, there
(11:31):
are some benefits to joint practices. You don't get in
a game. But I guess if you've made me pick
one or the other, I'd probably slightly go with the game.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Kevin Bowen, So they anymore? Automotive group pileline right here.
Tomorrow is the joint practice with the Packers, final day
of camp up at Grant Park and Westfield, and then
preseason game two coming up on Saturday. So you guys
had Rick Carlisle on the show this morning taking the
high road on miles, which we'll get to in a second.
(12:01):
But here's here's what I absolutely love about Rick. He's
I think he is just letting the talk down, the
anti belief in this Pacer team this season because of
the injury and the defection. I think he's letting that
fester organically or naturally right now, letting other people just
(12:24):
kind of and hoping to get extra motivation out of
this group. I love the way, at least that's the
way I gather he's handling that right now.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I think he even brought up the over under, if
I'm not mistaken, he did.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
He did. I love it.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
At one point in the cop I don't know how
many twenty you know, year veteran coaches are bringing up
Vegas over unders in August, but you know, he clearly
has said attention to some of that. So yeah, I
think it'll be much more of like maybe kind of
year two when he got back here of like, hey,
you know we have you know, kind of fully embrace
the underdog, everyone's counting us out and that sort of aspect.
(13:04):
And you know, he was right at different iterations of
our combo. You know, he brought up just how different
it will be. I mean, Terry's Halliburn does so much
for you, and you know you might have to win
a little bit uglier and really feed into you know,
you're just outright hustle and the defensive end of the floor,
(13:24):
which is not something you talk about, you know, when
when Halliburn is out there really at all. So yes,
I think he will definitely want to play that.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Card a whole whole lot.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
I mean, he was already in mid season mode. I
mean he brought up Oklahoma City on the you know,
second night of the back to back for the first
home game of the season and all of those things.
So yeah, I think Rick will fully embrace that, will
want to play into that. And you know, I think
on the surface there's reasons for that to be successful.
(13:55):
There is definitely a big part of me that thinks
there will be various points in the season where we
look at the Pacers and think, Man, I don't know
if we've appreciated Tyre Taliburton, not just with everything he
does and how much easier offensively he makes the game
for so many guys. But yeah, Rick, I think is
(14:17):
in full full ready to you know, play up that
underdog and no one believes in us and counting us
out all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Yeah, I listen, keV.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
That role is one that has fit this group even
when it's at full strength. It's fit this group perfectly,
So I listen. I buy that strategy. It's funny, right,
because I think we've all tried to distance ourselves from
the oh woe was us? There's no national game, you know,
there's no Christmas game. You know we're you know, we're
(14:49):
not being respected. I think we try to distance ourselves
from that now. But I love how the whole underdog
role and the theme has played for this team.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
And it's even done it when they've been full strength, right.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
I mean, how many times last year in the playoff
run did Rick even bring up, you know that that
line really, I mean, I think back to our Tuesday
conversations and you know, hell of the whatever twenty five
playoffs games the Faces had, he would bring up, you know,
we've been.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
The underdog and eighteen of them or yep.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Nineteen of them, So that's always been something on his mind.
And individually, you know, for a guy like Andrew Nemhart,
or a guy like Aaron E. Smith, or a guy
you know, even Siakam through a degree, whether they where
they are drafted or organizations saying no to them, obviously
whatever happens at the center will have a bit of
a field to that. So yeah, this will be you know,
(15:42):
last year's story, the deeper it went. Yeah, you you
naturally became that feel good story. This is one that
you know you're gonna be written off, you know, from
October twenty eighth, you know, on whenever the season starts.
You know, last year was if you'd have told us,
you know, to start the last season, hey the Face
was going to be the four seed, you would have
(16:04):
thought that was that crazy. Now this year, if you said, hey,
PACER's going to be the three of the four seeds,
you know, that's a little bit more in the lofty category,
which from a coaching standpoint, I think is exactly what
you want, and you want, you know, Nemhard playing for
a little more. Certainly Matheren's playing for a little bit more,
and he Smith has an extension available obviously center as well.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
I think I see the smoke from the bison meat
over there right now.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
You gotta have but he got on site, You got Balin,
you got Devin, you got Cam, you gotta you gotta send.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Him over there.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Hey, how unusual of a request might have been to
a guy like John Griffin to send him after bison
and weird?
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Well, I think as.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Long as he's come back with the bison, I'd be worried.
He'd send you a two and a half minute voice
memo explaining.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
To you.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Everything about the bikes and everything about you know, the
great things of the State Fair.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Love you, grip that you are.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
It's a way of a pound and a half of
bison on thirty five hundred call a precil bond.
Speaker 7 (17:15):
No, you're right, that's so true, so true, all right,
So yeah, Colt's coming up on Saturday for a preseason
game number two, and then the joint practice Before I'll
let you go here, give me a couple of thoughts
on what you're going to be looking for and are
(17:36):
we going to see hopefully a secondary.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
We talked about the Packers being all dinged up right
now in camp, but this cold secondary is beyond dinged up,
I mean health wise. Are we going to see some
guys come back here relatively soon or is that kind
of a trouble spot for you presently?
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Definitely a trouble spot. You know, outside of the obvious quarterback,
I think, you know, anytime you need to joint practices,
what happened in the trenches, it sounds like Green Bay
is healthy. O line D line. They whipped you, I
thought in that area last year in that week two
lost when Malik Wilson was a quarterback, and then outside
of that just a linebacker and corner. I mean, those
are the two that I think are really you know,
(18:16):
I would say for most of years, John, you know,
three and a half weeks out of the regular season,
you could say who the starters were, all twenty two
of them. Obviously quarterback you can't right now. Linebacker and
corner are two other ones that I can't name. The
starter yet so Dex's ire Franklin and then alongside Kenny
Moore and Cavarious Ward. And that's assuming you know Kenny
(18:38):
is healthy.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
So those are a couple of positions.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
I think to watch too, Stevin Bowen, It's the Fan
Morning Show with Jeff Rickard and James Boyd coming up
tomorrow morning.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
At seven am.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
You guys are going to be in the studio, right,
You're not going up to Grant Park?
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Correct, Yes we are.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Our Grant's Park practices are over.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
I guess tomorrow's so everybody.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
After in indeed, indeed all right? And you are you
still doing stuff with uh WISH TV Channel eight?
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I am yet started. Uh we did one opening night
at camp. I think we've got another one coming up after.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
The Green Bay game.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
So yeah, supposed to be my third year doing Sunday
primarily Sundays and Mondays with h with the great team
over there at which.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
During the cool things going over there? By the way,
do you see our good friend Gina she works over
there now?
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, always great CEO. Gina and I go
way back.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Gina's brother, Uh well actually they grew up next door
neighbors with my best friend growing up. So I hung
out with him a lot back in the day, so
we go way back.
Speaker 6 (19:44):
So, yeah, see her.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Over there, and I'm very glad that we've uh, you know,
brought her on board.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Very smart decision by then.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Always make fun of the toilet's not flushing over there sometimes,
and then I have to think about the fact when
our toilet's flush, it sounds like somebody's playing a trombone.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
I swear I got off the elevator yesterday morning and
I could hear that thing flush the moment I got
I'm like Tony Cats in there for an hour.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
I'm like, no, that's just howlet flush.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
It sounds like the news room and like a fog
horn in San Francisco. In San Francisco before the live Bison.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Runs out of the tunnel to bring Kurt Signettian company,
they just need to play that horn to alert everybody
that's crazy about that.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
I think somebody flushed the toilet inside of the MS
building that they have for sale for thirty five million dollars.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Good luck with that, So yes, good luck with that anyway, keV.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
I'll see you out there coming up tomorrow. We'll have
some fun, all right, John enjoy the fair meantime of
they anymore automotive group Potline. He has a friend of
the show. He's a big time fan of the Brewers,
and we absolutely love to go old school Brewers on
this show as much as possible. And I'm sure he
really wants to talk about him now, considering they are
(21:10):
running away from things in the central and looking as
good as anybody maybe not named the Toronto Blue Jays
as of right now.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Joel A. Erickson joins us, Hello, Joel, how are you.
Speaker 6 (21:22):
I'm doing good?
Speaker 5 (21:24):
Are you aware?
Speaker 6 (21:25):
You probably aren't.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
Are you aware of the George Webb promotion in Milwaukee?
Speaker 3 (21:29):
I am not help me out.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
There is a burger joint in Milwaukee called George Webb.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
It's like a diner, and it's.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
Been around for a long long time.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
And they said in the forties or something like that
that if the local baseball team won twelve games in
a row, they would give out free burgers.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
And it's happened twice.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
Happened in nineteen eighty seven with your guy Robbed the Ear.
Happened in nineteen eighty seven with your Guy Robbed the Hear.
It happened in twenty eighteen, and currently they are like
an inning away from this burger joint having to shell
out free burgers to the entire city for the third time.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Holy crap. Yeah, I don't know what.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
The Indianapolis I don't know what the Indianapolis.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
Equivalent would be.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Some kind of Pacers winding streak.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
We need to get a restaurant on this.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Yeah, I didn't see that.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
That's how kind of like this.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
They've been doing this promotion in Cincinnati with you know,
hit the Toyota Tundra and win the Tundra, and nobody
ever gonn hit that hang up there.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
I mean, I guess probably the.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Best opportunity is Kyle Swarbur who's been in town with
the Phillies. Probably nobody's ever going to Nobody's ever gonna
hit it up there. I would you say, La, I
guess could hit it up there.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
But I mean this is one where.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
You know, normally they kind of put something at a
reach in which to so I'm assuming I thought anything
like what happened, and I would say I would agree.
I mean, it has been a magical season, and you
bring up the Pacers and they kind of lived on
everything up until Game seven of the NBA Finals going
(23:06):
right for them to get to where they ultimately got
in the postseason.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
It's a very there's some analog there's some analogs beyond
the fact that they kind of have the same color
scheme for the jersey they you know, Miles Turner had
the power of Friendship quote.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
The Breweries have shirts with.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
The power of Friendship on them.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
So there's there's some analogs. I think between.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
The Pacers and the and the Brewers. We, like I said,
we need to get a We needed a local restaurant
on a twelve Pacers games in a row or something,
everybody gets free burgers. Like I said, I don't know
what the right restaurant is, but someone's got to do it.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
So is this detrimental or beneficial to the burger chain?
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Uh, that is a great question.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
I they don't have insurance for it. I think it's
I think it's pretty tough for them when it happened,
because it's my understanding is that when they've figgered this
promotion in the past, it's been thousands and thousands and
thousands of burgers because anybody in Milwaukee can.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Show up and just ask for a burger.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
So I do think they take a bit of.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
A hit on it, but it also keeps people going
into a into a diner that you know. Quite frankly,
my understanding is that it was much more popular back
in the day than it is now.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Okay, that's uh, certainly understandable.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Well, listen, I would have to think anybody would want
to be involved in a magical season like that, especially
the way that things are going right now. Because I
mentioned outside of the Blue Jays, you're watching the Blue Jays,
there's no more exciting and winning consistently team out there
than what you've seen from the Brewers.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
Likely it's it's it's only mid August.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
The guys put that in there, but yeah, it's.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
If they win this one, I think they go to
thirty two games.
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Over five hundred, which is not a number that they've
ever really been at at the end of.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
The re And how good does it make him feel
considering that at the same time, they're also doing a
curb stomp to Craig Council.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Is that good?
Speaker 6 (25:08):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, folks, true true Brewers.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
Fans are not the biggest fans of that.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Gentleman, I don't imagine, so don't imagine so at all.
So I can see that everybody's pretty happy about that.
Two good things in like a package right here with
Joey Ericson of the Star. Hey, I was talking about.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
This a little bit earlier.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
We'll get to the whole quarterback situation in just a second,
because I do have an interesting question about that dynamic
as it pertains to tomorrow and then again on Saturday.
But outside of that, what's your major focus coming up
tomorrow in that joint practice with the Packers.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
I want to see if.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
And this has kind of gotten neutralized a little bit
here because Jordan Love is not going to play in it.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Well, I kind of want to see how some of these.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Corners that we weren't talking about at the beginning of
camp fare against the Green Bay receivers. And I think
that I think Green Bay receivers are also pretty banged up.
I think I saw that today. But you know, we
still don't really know the extent of the hamstring injuries
of Jalen Jones and Juju Brench justin Wallly's out for
(26:24):
the year. You know, is Sam Womack gonna be playing
significant snaps in the season opener, first couple of games
is Jonathan Edwards, the undrafted free agent from Tulane, is
he going to be playing significant snap? I want to
see if they if those guys kind of hold up
there against the Packers' offense a little bit, since since
(26:46):
a thought that we all thought was going to be
pretty deep has been sinned out considerably.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Did injury. I get that, and get that a great deal.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
It's funny because on the Packer side of things, they're
dealing with a lot of injuries too, But it doesn't
seem like and we're not there. I mean, we don't
concentrate on that like we do the Colts, but it
doesn't seem like that they're as engaged and as concerned
about it there because I don't know how many of
their guys we're going to play anyway now in the
joint practice. Probably so, but you know, they're as much
(27:16):
of a mass unit as we've seen with the Colts
in that secondary really across the board for that Packer
team so far.
Speaker 6 (27:22):
Yeah. Absolutely, And my.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
Guest has been this week that whatever the Colts decide
to do, and it sounds like Shane Stakin is going
to play as starters for the first quarter, I still
think maybe a couple of those guys aren't.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
We're not going to see them.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Maybe the Jonathan Piers type.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
Maybe we don't see, but the Packers haven't. I don't
know if the Packers have said I haven't seen if
Matt le Fleuri said anything today. But I'm not really
expecting the Packers to play their guys.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Because their guys played last week.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
Their guys played last week in the preseason game, and
I was thinking that they'd probably take the opportunity because.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
They are They have.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
Injuries up and down the wide receiver room.
Speaker 6 (28:02):
Jordan Love is out until.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
I think they most people don't expect to really see
him until the fee's an opener, so they've got their
own injuries. I wonder if they hold off in that
preseason game, and I wonder if that first quarter is
starters for the Colts against backups for the Packers.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Joe I mentioned this in terms of the Burger join
in Milwaukee. Is that detrimental or beneficial for the Colts
or does it not matter? Because I just think that
don't you want to see your guys, especially when you
have so many questions about your guys at the most
important position too, Don't you want to see your guys
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going against their guys, and if that doesn't happen, I
know you maybe he's going to see that tomorrow. But
that does not seem like it's as beneficial as it
needs to be for the Colts.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
I think that they would prefer I think they would
prefer to see the starters, but I also think that
they probably so I don't. I know, they pretty much
look at these guys as these joint practices as that's
their time to see the starters versus the starters.
Speaker 6 (29:10):
To break stuff out.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
I think in those practices they can do a little
bit more.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
They can you know, and mess with.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
Their scheme a little bit more, show a little bit
more than they would in the preseason.
Speaker 6 (29:21):
Game putting that on tape.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
They that's why all these teams are doing, you know,
multiple joint practices now where they used cannot do that.
They've gone that way because they can control the scenario
a little bit more and keep some of their stuff
from ending up on tape. You know, we were talking
to Loui a and A Rumo the other day and
he was saying, we're not showing anything in this in
these preseason games.
Speaker 6 (29:44):
We're playing very vanilla stuff. You can do a little
bit more of that in the joint practice.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
And I know I know in the past that the
staffs have gotten together before the practices that hey, can
you give us a little bit of this and test.
Speaker 6 (29:57):
Us this way?
Speaker 5 (29:58):
So yeah, it really comes down to that joint practice
more than the preseason game these days.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
So do you think that the determination on the week
one starting quarterback is going to come by virtue of
what takes place tomorrow at Graham Park in that final day.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
I it's been hard to get a read on what
Saint Psiken is thinking. And I've been thinking this all
week here after the after the the the miss blitz
and the hit last week.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
There's you know, I obviously.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
Have had not just me, you know a lot of
other guys have had their their eyes on every throw.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
We've got our thoughts on how it's gone so far.
The thing that none of us.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
Can really see and that we don't know is what
is the grade for the coaching staff on are they
going to the right place with the football? Are they
Are they picking up all those blitzes and doing all
the things that they should be doing, making the adjustments
that they should be and making post snap in practice,
(30:57):
you can kind of see that, but it's kind of
hard to see that at the same time because they're
not getting hit. There's nothing like the hit Ojaba late
On Richardson to sort of who you in that's say
something went wrong, you know, So I think that's the
other thing is we just don't know that and don't
know if one of them operationally is way ahead of
(31:18):
the other one.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Joeli Erickson of The Star, he is on the Andy
More Automotive Group plotline, the joint practice of the Packers
tomorrow afternoon and then preseason game number two coming up
on Saturday afternoon. Joel's again on the Andy Moore Automotive
Group potline. You're gonna give a nod one way or
the other. It's weird like national people think it's going
(31:42):
to be Daniel Jones. I've always thought that it was
going to be Anthony Richardson, and I still continue to
believe it's going to be Anthony Richardson. Where would you
be right now about how all this thing, regardless of
you know, tomorrow and then on Saturday, shakes out at
the quarterback position here, I have leaned Richard.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
I leaned Richardson for the first couple of weeks of camp,
just kind of thinking, you know, if if it's fairly even, you.
Speaker 6 (32:08):
Know he's got the upside.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
The last week, though, I have taught myself.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Out of that a.
Speaker 5 (32:16):
Little bit and maybe more into a place of uncertainty,
just because that hit in the Ravens game.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
Not so much the hit that he took.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Or the injury, but the the fact that it was
his responsibility to be to find the receiver on that
play and he's the reason it took the hit and
he shouldn't have been looking that way has made me
think and made me wonder, you know, is is it is?
Speaker 6 (32:42):
Is that stuff enough? Is there enough of that stuff
going on.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
That maybe it dips back?
Speaker 5 (32:46):
It dips the it's kept back towards Jones. I just
I can't get out of my head.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Because the thing is if you have.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
If they're fairly even, then that you know you have
the upside it was Richard, But if you also have
the downside of three or four or five plays like
that per game where you have something happen and it
could be, you know, in a regular season game, you
lose your starting quarterback.
Speaker 6 (33:14):
That's one thing.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
That play also could be a fumble for a touchdown.
You know, is the downside so much that they end
up deciding to go with Daniel Jones. I don't know
where I fall I Like I said, up up until
last week, I was on the same place.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
View were where I thought they would probably go with Richardson.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
So I would have to think that that group, Joel,
I want to go with somebody that is going to
give them the opportunity.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
And we think about this all the time.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Yeah, is it important for them to win and win
early and win the most games. I mean, this is all,
you know, very easy stuff to understand.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
But you got these first two out of the gate. Well,
you can't be jacking.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Around, so I mean, it's not like you can slide
into a decision.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Well we'll wait and see. I mean, you've got to
go with somebody.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
That's going to be able to get it done, and
get it done, take advantage of a Miami secondary which
is decimated by injury and defection, I mean, and take
advantage of their injury situation. You know, do something with
Denver because you got two possibilities of the AFC maybe
right alongside of you.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
As far as outsiders in the postseason, it.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
To me, is going to be far more involved than
just going with somebody with what you see the long
term is going to be because seriously, there there are
jobs on the line, and when I say must win
early in the season, I think you can really diagram
that with this group and how they look out of
the gate in weeks one, in weeks two at home, yeah,
(34:49):
and I.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
Think I think you know that that operational stuff that
knowing where to go when the blitz is coming there.
You look at that Denver defense, yes, in week two,
and you're gonna have to be on it because they're
gonna bring pressure.
Speaker 6 (35:03):
You know.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
That's that's that's something that that sticks out to me
is that you're you're gonna have to be on top
of that stuff right away as a quarterback. So much
of game planning now and so much of the NFL
is we're putting in stuff on a weekly basis that
attacks that defense is weak point. And if they don't
give us the coverage we see, are we going what
(35:26):
are we gonna go to? Like if we if we
call this play for a certain coverage, we come up
to the line, they're in something else. We've built this
this answer for you into it, and uh, do you
have do you have an answer to your question?
Speaker 4 (35:41):
That stuff is.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
Is so important to the way the game works now
and the way the NFL works now. It's it's one
of the things that Shane Steichen has traditionally been great
at and why he got to this position in the
first place.
Speaker 6 (35:54):
That's that's what I want to know.
Speaker 5 (35:56):
I want to know is is one guy ahead of
the other in that part of game, because to me,
I think when you put that stuff.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
In, you're gonna want to have it.
Speaker 5 (36:05):
You want more often than not, you're gonna want your
quarterback to know that that to go to.
Speaker 6 (36:09):
The right play.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Yeah, yeah, I that even below. Like I thought about
that at the time, Joel it was one thing when
his pinky finger was going east to west and not
north to south, but it was another thing. You know
when you find out ultimately that that's that's clearly on him,
and then have all these other quarterbacks young and old,
(36:31):
come out of the woodwork and all these other NFL
people and talk about how you know that is early
stages year one, week two of camp stuff you got
to learn you know that hits the mark and not
just you know with those in the program. But that
hits the mark with everybody right there. That's what I
came away with last Thursday.
Speaker 5 (36:52):
Yeah, same here, same here, And I've been wondering it
and thinking about it.
Speaker 6 (36:57):
It's kind of all week.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
You know, Shane psyching is not It's not like Brian Mason,
who essentially tells you he told us exactly what's going
on the kicker battle and why Spencer Schrader is the
front runner and everything like that. Shane is keeping his
thoughts a little closer to the vest. But yeah, that's
that's what I've been thinking about for a week now too.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
So Joey Erickson, the stars on the Andy Moro on
a Motive group plotline. What other positions in your estimation
are up for grabs?
Speaker 5 (37:24):
Linebacker for sure. You know I asked lou Ana Rumo
about what they're going to do.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
At that week side spot.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
The plan was for it to be Jalen carlive But
you know, carlive Is has been hurt. You know, he's
been out of action. He's out of action in the spring,
he's been out of action now with an ankle injury.
Speaker 8 (37:43):
I don't have a timetable and when he's back that
that's tough. That's tough for for them to to make
an evaluation and say he can start, especially in the
complex defense. You know it is it Joe BATCHI moving over?
Speaker 6 (37:59):
Is it Cam mc groan. You know, I would guess
my guess.
Speaker 5 (38:04):
Based on the way they've played so far is probably
Bachi next to the desire Franklin. But that that fought
for sure is one that I don't think they have
necessarily an answer at and I don't think they have
an answer at outside corner yet, although that one has
more to do with medical stuff than it does with
anything that we've seen on the practice field.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Yeah, no, offensive line, what's been to your impression? Because
we knew going in that, you know, right side interior,
both center and right guard, there's going to be a
new flavor there. Certainly, how's things gone there from what
you have witnessed in training camp so far at center
and at right guard.
Speaker 5 (38:43):
Yeah, that's a good question that they get a good
test obviously from Butner and from Grover's Stewart. I think
they've had some lints where you know, those those two
defensive tackles have looked the way they're supposed to look,
and that that's probably not necessarily the best thing for
for the for those two guys on the interior. Think
there's probably gonna be some growing pains from Matt Gonzalve.
He's mostly been a tackle in his in his time
(39:06):
in college and last year in the pros. There'll probably
be some growing pains there. I think there'll probably be
some growing pains from Tanner Borlini. But Bordelini seems to
have taken a step forward at center since Danny Pinter's
been hurt. I know, Tony Soprano Junior feels like he's
taken a big step forward in terms of all of.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
The stuff a center.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
Has to do, identification and making adjustments and calls. That
was one of the things that Bordelinis. Bordelini said the
other day that he really struggled with coming out of college.
Speaker 6 (39:35):
But the college game has gotten so simple.
Speaker 5 (39:37):
But yeah, I think I think that there's probably gonna
be some growing pains with those spots, but they've usually
been able to handle that type of.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
Thing and and figure out a way around it.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
How do you think the caliber that they have of
wide receiver is compared to years of past I mean, listen,
t y Olton was a state of and I still
don't think he gets enough credit for being just that.
And they certainly don't have t Y Hilton, but across
the board the caliber of wide receiving threat they have.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Do you like what they have?
Speaker 5 (40:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (40:14):
I think that they have.
Speaker 5 (40:16):
Like you said, they don't have necessarily the number one,
the t Y type player, but they have they can
attack you in a lot of different ways with their
wide receiving corps, and they've got a lot of different
guys who've been very productive. I just think, and then
I think when you add Tyler Warren to that, it
really gives them a lot of My question is do
(40:36):
they have a quarterback take advantage of all that? And
are we going to be able to properly judge the
receivers based on the quarterback play because we've we've learned
over the last couple of years that sometimes what might
seem like a wide receiver you know, underdeveloping or disappointing
or whatever, is it really just comes down to is
(40:59):
the quarterback getting in the ball when he needs to.
Speaker 6 (41:01):
I'm thinking about Alec.
Speaker 5 (41:02):
Pierce here, but that's been that's been true of other
players as well. You know, Josh Down's numbers last year
with Flaco were very different than the ones he had
with Richardson. So a lot of a lot of the
stuff with the receivers has just tried to end the
quarterback get it to him. I do think you have
the ingredients there for a good passing game that contest
(41:23):
defenses in.
Speaker 6 (41:23):
A lot of different ways. It's just do you have
the do.
Speaker 5 (41:26):
You have the guy you know distributing it to take
advantage of that?
Speaker 3 (41:31):
You look at the secondary.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Joel and they went out and got guys that they
feel are difference makers and buying them. And I talked
to to.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
Mooney the other day out at camp.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
I mean, he's got the total package at that position.
There's no doubt about that. Now got to get some
guys healthy, there's also no question. But how good do
you think that group and the secondary can be, especially
considering what lou Anarumo wants to do with them.
Speaker 5 (42:03):
Yeah, I think as long as Kenny Moore is healthy
and as long as they have somebody at the other
outside corner, I think that that Ana Roumo can can
really make that good. I cam Binham is an interesting weapon,
Like he's obviously going to play mostly free safety, but
you know he can play nickel.
Speaker 6 (42:23):
He can line up in the nickel and cover receivers
out of the slot. He can move around.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
I think I think.
Speaker 5 (42:29):
Hunter Wohler is going to be an interesting piece maybe as.
Speaker 6 (42:32):
The season goes along.
Speaker 5 (42:34):
He's he's kind of He's got a lot of flashy
played interceptions in big hits at training camp, but he's
also had some buss You'd expect that from a rookie.
But I think you know, as you get into the
game planning portion of the season, when Anna Rumo is
is playing matchups and stuff like that, I think he
can he can put those guys in different positions.
Speaker 6 (42:54):
I think the real.
Speaker 5 (42:55):
Key with the secondary now that Justin Waally is out
for the season is the help of Jalen Jones hamstring,
because Jalen Jones, to me, is a guy who's just
He just fights and competes and finds a way to
be productive at that corner position. And I think I
think in a room we can work with that out
(43:15):
of a number two corner. Laatta even though even though
they liked Wally a.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Lot, Laatu latu in closing here, Joel. In year number
two we had two double digit sackers around here for
the Colts, basically since Robert Mathis and Eric Walden kind
of ran into it. I hate to say that, but
he kind of ran into sacks when he was here
and I think had eleven twelve something like that.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
Then justin Houston had double digit sacks.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Are we going to see and not even so much that,
but just a consistent threat, a difference maker from lat
to in year number two coming off the edge because
clearly that has not been the case around here.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
Sent to Robert Mathis, Yeah, I.
Speaker 5 (44:01):
Think he's good.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
I think he's gonna take a step forward.
Speaker 6 (44:03):
I do.
Speaker 4 (44:03):
I think he's I think he's taking a.
Speaker 6 (44:05):
Step forward in practice. I think it's going to be.
Speaker 4 (44:07):
Interesting to see all the.
Speaker 5 (44:09):
Different places he lines up uh And I also think
I also think it's gonna be interesting to see where
where Anna.
Speaker 6 (44:15):
Rumo decides to line buttoner up.
Speaker 5 (44:17):
You know, that's that's the guy who we think of
as usually rushing from the interior, but I think is
going to be pretty creative and how he moves him
around to give him, you know, one on one chances
against the guard. I think those two guys together they've
had butoner from the interior for a while. But I
think I think if you just get a little more bend.
Speaker 6 (44:36):
Off the edge from lats too and we it's it's
hard with camp.
Speaker 5 (44:40):
You know, he looked pretty good in camp last year
that he only had four sacks. But I think he's
probably taken a step forward and and he's got a
he's got at least a chance to be sort of
the the force player off the edge that this this
this pass rush needs to really get back to where
it was a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Hi, Joel, hang a little bit come out, yeah tomorrow
if you're cool with that right there in that tent,
and hopefully I'm not going to be honey roasted again.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
So I got those bugs all over me like I
was on Monday. That was great. So I did. Did
they spray a little bit of raid or something out there?
Speaker 5 (45:14):
Do you think My understanding is that they put the
fogger out there on the practice fields to try to
get I was alerted by a reader that I've been
calling those things sweat bees, but apparently they might be hoverflies.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
The hoverflies, Yeah they are, and I didn't know. Yeah, yeah,
And they were especially active in that tent where I
was sitting with me and Charvarius Ward, and think Grover
Stewart was in there too.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
Content came in and goes, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
I mean it kind of looked like Ambityville horror in
that tent, like the entire interview, you know, Moone's like
swatting at these things entire time. So I think that
kind of prompted the whole fogging out there too, because
they were certainly bad. Hey, comebine, hang out and say
hello tomorrow man, we'll see you up there.
Speaker 5 (46:05):
Okay, sounds good, we'll see up there.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
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