Best Of JMV 8-20-25

00:00 - 13:01 - Lance McAlister from 700WLW in Cincinati joins the show! Lance and JMV discuss the current makeup of the Bengals, and the questions surrounding the offensive line and the defense. They also talk about Trey Hendrickson and his contract situation. They then pivot and discuss the Reds, their 3-game winning streak, and the likelihood that they make the postseason.

13:02 - 36:42 - Kevin Bowen from The Fan Morning Show joins the show! JMV and KB first talk about the LIV Golf Tournament that took place in Indy recently. They debate who is most to blame for the Colts situation, the Colts brass or Anthony Richardson himself, as well as what the best and worst-case scenarios would be for the Colts this year.

36:43 - 53:32 - Pat Boylan from Fever Television and the Pacers Radio Network joins the show! Pat and JMV discuss the wide range of injuries the Fever have had to deal with this season, if Kelsey Mitchell should be in the MVP conversations, Pacers head coach Rick Carlisle getting a much-deserved contract extension, and more!

53:33 - 1:03:41 - Former Colts tight end and current analyst on the Colts Radio Network Charles Arbuckle joins the show!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, Andy Moore Automotive Group plotline. He has a great

(00:03):
deal to talk about. And I'm assuming Lance mccalistro the
big one over in Cincinnati, who joins us?

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Now?

Speaker 1 (00:09):
What was it fun watching Joe Burrow get his ass
win that preseason game?

Speaker 2 (00:14):
What was going on with.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
A lot of that? My man was running for his
life in a preseason game. That can't be.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Right, JMB. First, let me not bury the lead here.
I need you to understand. You have been in the
last few minutes, and I've been listening online. You have
been sitting in the presence of Butler Broadcasting Royalty. I
want you to know, and I want your audience to know.
Joe Gentry and the likes of Scott Hope and Jeff

(00:40):
Beck were my mentors as a snow freshman in nineteen
eighty four out of Carmel High School when I had
no idea what I was doing. And I say this
in all seriousness, what they taught me. The ropes they
showed me, taking me on road trips for Butler basketball,
some stories, the statute of limitations not up on I
can't reveal, but trust me what I say. Joe Gentry

(01:01):
and Scott hok and Jeff Beck and those guys. They
meant the world to me in getting me going at
Butler University.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
So Lance, here is Joe Gentry who just so happens
to still be here right now.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Surprise the checks in the Mayl.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
Lance, oh Man, oh Man, I mean I when I
heard your voice the flashbacks I was having and thinking
of the Joe sexon days of Butler basketball with Chad
Tucker and Darren Fitzgerald and Joe Sexon would get mad
at me for a question I ask in the pregame.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
I'm trying to tape and just being around you guys
who were I think a couple of years older than
me at that point. Just I truly mean it. It
was a learning experience that I truly cherish in value
still today.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
Well, we enjoyed waiting with you on Saturday afternoons for
the opera to end so we could start the broadcast
at basketball at Hinkle. Yes, wow, Yes, this is this
is like a little reunion from Butler right here, is
it not?

Speaker 2 (01:57):
That's not you when you have coln.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
About when you asked me about my Butler experience. I
think of legends like Jim Phillippi and Anne Harper, and
I think of Joe and Scott, and I think of
Jeff Beck and that, I mean, life was good back then.
It was Man, what a run?

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Yeah, Joe is the salt of the earth right here, Lance,
And you know that to be true.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
It's it, It's evident.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Why you know you you guys are so good at
what you do because you guys are are fantastic and
you got that tutelage as he gave to you, and
you do to others and now you get to talk
up Cincinnati sports and more over there. So it all
has worked out fantastically. Shout out to Butler, Lance McAllister.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
And now to your back to your question, which I
do have thoughts on the moment. Joe Burrow scrambled out
of the pocket Monday night, and I swear everything slowed down.
He may have scrambled for eleven seconds, it felt like
it was eleven minutes. It was kind of like that
slow motion no, and I'm yelling go down and then

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I mean like run out of bounds, and I mean
I'll just throw the ball away. Then I mean like
you know, duck and cover, curl up in the fetal position.
Then he gets dragged down on the horse collar and
the season. I'm not exaggerating. It flashed before the eyes
of every Cincinnati Bengals fan when that happened.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah, that is the last thing you obviously want to
see in a preseason game. Hey, Lance, what is their
approach coming up in this final one on Saturday? I
think we know over here what the Colts approach is,
and you know, obviously the soap opera quarterback continues the
long game around here, But what's the approach from the
Bengals going into souventh day.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
I don't think you're going to see many starters at all,
If any does. Ritter, the former UC quarterback who's spent
time in the NFL, he's probably going to quarterback most
if not all, of the game. They're going to look to,
Zach said today, they completely change their philosophy. They played
the starters a couple of series in the first two games.
He's never done that. He came from the Sean McVay

(04:03):
model with the Rams and finally changed it this year
in an effort to get off to a faster start.
He said today he's learned a lot about his football
team through the two games. I don't think there's much
more that they have to find out in the third game.
And I will also have this and listening to you
talk about the court and I shouldn't laugh, but your
quarterback situation there, it reinforces just how blessed this city

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is to have somebody like Joe Burrow. The defense may
not be able to tackle, they may not be with
Trey hendrickson right now, the offensive line may have issues,
but we know at the end of the day here,
as long as there is Joe Boort a Joe Burrow
under center, this team's got a chance to probably win
nine to ten eleven games, go to the playoffs, and
maybe win the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Lance. I've mentioned this to year before.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
There was a time, a moment in time on a
Monday night when the Bengals quarterback and wide receiver it
was Carson Palmer and Chad Johnson. And then Chad Johnson
then made the track up I seventy four to take
no on the Colts playing on Monday nights and certainly
to look at what they had at quarterback and a

(05:08):
wide receiver and their operation, which unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Is long since now in the rear view around here.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
Yeah, and you know it stresses. And I say this
a lot about the Bengals organization, the fortunate situation they're
in with Joe Burrow, and how that has to be treated,
because you never know how fleeting it can be, whether
a quarterback abruptly retires or he gets hurt, or he's
just not as good as everybody envisioned. But when you

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strike gold, and I always say the Bengals did nothing
to get Joe Burrow other than suck. They were the
worst team in the NFL. They were gifted Joe Burrow
in the draft. So I think because of that, you
have to do everything and then some to take advantage
of the window you're operating in with him. And one
of the frustrating one of many frustrating things is this
team has issues and questions about its offensive line and

(06:00):
how upright Joe's going to be able to stay and
to me that stuff, he is maddening when you have
such a gift like Joe Burrow.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
So Lanz McAllister from Cincinnata. He's on the Andy Moore
Automotive Group potline. Any updates on the drama that you
have playing out over there right now with Hendrickson and
whether or not how this is going to work out.
I guess I missing the long game and the short
game here, But how is that going to ultimately work out?

Speaker 2 (06:25):
With the Bengals.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
I still believe they will get a deal done. I
almost would be willing to push some chips into the
middle to say he plays week one, he'll be unlimited
snaps because he's not going to have obviously enough camp
to really get up to speed. But I think the
Bengals all along have had a number in mind where
to themselves. They thought, all right, well end up giving
him this amount. We really don't want to, but we will.

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And Trey he can be very stubborn. He's a different
kind of guy. But I think both sides will ultimately
realize it's in everybody's best interest. If he plays, he's
going to get gobs more because the contract he was
going to play under vastly underpaid him. I don't think
he'll ultimately get what he fully wants, but I think
he'll get an awfully nice rais.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
And he'll play all right.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
The Red Legs are as of right now, give me
your description, because I've been digging it recently. There's no
doubt they had a couple of opportunities they missed out
on early on in that series against the Brewers, but
that final game and then out in Southern California. Here
recently things have been much better. What are you thinking
about this group right now?

Speaker 3 (07:33):
Well, if I could quote the simple Mind song from
nineteen eighty five, they are still alive and kicking. And
I think have you told anybody to start of going
back to the spring or after an off season where
they didn't bring in the big bat? And I said
on August twentieth, with thirty five games remaining, they would
be one single game out of a playoff spot. I

(07:54):
think everybody would have signed up for it. They're not perfect,
They're very frustrating. The Brewer series was a classic example
the Bullpens running on fumes. They need a whole lot
more out of Matt McClain. But the new pieces they
got in the trades have infused some energy and offense
to this team. Nuelve Martes settle at right field and
they're still swinging. And I think this city they love

(08:17):
the grit and the fight and what's in the DNA
of this team. And you know there was such a
rush by some There's an old saying around here. If
the Reds can just keep us interested till Bengals training
camp starts, I'll be good. And I've never subscribed to
that because I think it writes off the Reds too easily.
And I truly think there are some fans right now

(08:38):
who have written off the Reds and moved on and
are ready for football. And yet I say, hey, take
a look here, one game out with thirty five to go.
This is what you signed up for. This is what
sports is supposed to be about. I can't guarantee you
you're and make the playoffs. I can't guarantee you they're
not going to lose tonight and get swept over the weekend.
But this right now, with thirty five games to go,

(09:00):
this is fun.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
What did you think about the performance of Hunter Green
last night? Lance?

Speaker 3 (09:06):
The guy's that he's a stud. I mean, when when
they can keep him healthy, knock on wood. Right now,
he just has a presence on the mound where he
takes control of a baseball game, and if he can
give them seven to eight more starts the rest of
the way, I like this team's chances. Again, I'm not
ever gonna say they're perfect because they're not They're very flawed,

(09:27):
but they've got pitching that gives them a chance to
win just about every single night out and there's not
a whole lot eames in baseball who can say.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
That, Yeah, he was pretty inspired last night. Yeah, did
you think he got a quick cook? I kind of
thought that last night a little.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
You know, it was. It was weird because my sense
was when he walked off the mount in the sixth
and he slammed his chest, I'm thinking, man, they are not.
Momentum is all Reds right now. But then in that
seventh inning, I don't want to say he'd lost focus
or hit a wall, but then there was that moment
where you thought, Okay, things are getting a little bit sideways,

(10:03):
and you know, I would make the cases taxes as
bullpen is you lean on him a little bit longer.
Tito didn't do that, and it ultimately it got sideways,
but it worked out.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Man.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
It would be so great if they were able to
get into the postseason in some form or some fashion.
And you're right those first two games, especially when they
got up what a six to seven run lead in
that initial game, Milwaukee lost it.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
And then lost.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
But it'll bounce back and the series ender and then
you know, do what they normally have done here recently
against the Angels. I mean, it's it's nice to see
that right now because certainly, more times than not with
this Reds team lance, we've been talking about something much
different this time of year.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
No question. And what they did at the trade deadline
was it ultimately enough? I don't know it was. It
didn't seem like enough at the time, because we've talked
about this before. This city and the fan base has
craved the big elusive bat for going on three years
and they didn't get that. But for the moment right now,
Key Brian Hayes is a difference maker. Defensively, he's the
best third baseman this franchise has had since the days

(11:12):
of Scott Rowland. He impacts games with his glove and
he's even hit a little bit. But what they've been
able to unlock moving Noueva mart to right field and
he doesn't have to think about third base and think
about his throws from third base to first base. He's
not a goal glover in right field and he's still learning,
but man, what he does at the plate and Miguel
and Duharr everybody knew he hit left handers coming in.

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He's earned quickly an opportunity to play every day, and
that guy's just mashing baseball and it makes a difference
for a team that's really struggled offensively to string together runs.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
I do like and Duhar Hayes is phenomenal with the glove.
It's weird, right, he came over there and I think
he booted the first attempt that he had after that deal.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
But since then he's been phenomenal.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
Yeah, and he's even you know, is in one hundred
games with the he had two home runs. He's been
here I think sixteen games and he's already hit two
home runs. Now, I don't expect him to be a
you know, a silver slugger at the position, but based
on what he gives you offensively, if he can just
give you a little bit of offense, you'll take it
right now, because he's making a couple of plays a

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game that make you sit up and say, holy crap,
how did he just do that.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
It's a good friend Las McCallister, who at this time
is trying to put together a combination live show at
a Jungle Gym's.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Location over in the Queens City. I wait word on that.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Getting done with you and I doing his show at
some point over there together.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
I'd love it.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
High level behind the scenes, backroom conversations.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
On but it's always good. I love you. Catching up
with Joe Gentry as well. We'll do it again. Thank you.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
That was really cool. I'm glad I could do that.
Thank you all good catching up.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
It's Lance McAllister the Big One seven hundred WLW and
Cincinnati meantime of the Andy Moore Automotive Group Potline Morning Show,
UH one O seven to five the fan dot com
with a video where it looks like he's got a
Were's Waldo shirt rocking right there, which is nice if

(13:14):
you can find one out there. Kevin Bowen joins us,
was that a Where's Waldo shirt you had on.

Speaker 5 (13:19):
The other day?

Speaker 6 (13:23):
No, it was not. I believe there was like a
USA logo on it.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
I think I bought it at a been.

Speaker 6 (13:31):
Related to the Ryder Cup a few years ago to
like a golf nerd him. But I do have one
shirt that looks like a picnic table. People often comment
on that whenever I wear it. It's a button down
it and they always ask me if I'm going, uh,
you know, camping and that's a picnic table.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Did you change your attitude on live golf after this
past weekend?

Speaker 6 (13:56):
Uh? No, I mean I still largely hate, uh definitely
hate the competition aspect of it. I think it's a joke. Frankly,
I think team golf gets really forced at times, and
I think it's really forced. But I by all accounts,
and I was out there pre tournament, I was not
the tournament days. You know, people that are casual golf fans,
they had a good time at it. You know, they

(14:17):
enjoyed whatever the fan elements to it, you know, a
little bit more of a maybe minor league baseball field
to it. Somebody made a comparison it's like the Savannah
Bananas and baseball. I'm like, okay, I can kind of,
you know, see that sort of atmosphere. The baseball purists
probably don't love it. I'm probably more of a golf purist,
so I don't love it. But at the same time,

(14:38):
I'm looking at the crowds for Savannah Bananas. Granted, I'm
not going to actually live as attracting those crowds, but
I do think it's got a nice appeal for people
that are just looking for some music, to be outside
and throw back a drink or two and have no
idea who's.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
In the golf ball Eddie Feyner and the King and
his Court? Do you remember what that was? This I'm
sure predates you, and it mostly predates me, But there
are some people out there that know what I'm talking
about who had like a zillion strikeouts softball fast hit softball.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Pitcher back in the day. And the King and his Court.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
They would go across America and play different teams. So
is that kind of what you equate live golf to
something like that?

Speaker 6 (15:25):
Yeah? Yeah, I you know, I'm trying to say. I
feel like there was somebody else made another analogy to
me that I thought was pretty good. But yeah, a
man of baseball, minor league baseball. I don't know, globe trottery.
I don't know if these are perfect examples of.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
It, but golf.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
Remember when Billy Packer used to do miniature golf often.

Speaker 6 (15:52):
Of all the references that I thought you about their
up that I did Billy Packer at you know, Ben
and Aurri's office there thirty seven on there. Yeah, I yeah,
something like that. You know, the exhibition meets you know, music,
and I did think, you know, hearing from people, and

(16:12):
I can see why, like, you know, taking your kids
out there. I did think they had more stuff for kids.
I also think, honestly, in person golf viewing, I think
is really tough and frankly pretty boring. So and I
say that about not that I've been to a lot
of PGA two events. I've probably been to four in
my life, but you know the ones that I've gone to,

(16:33):
you know, you're not really going there for the party,
whereas you know, it sounded like this definitely had more
of that atmosphere to it. It's just odd.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
You know.

Speaker 6 (16:43):
Sebastian Munho shot fifty nine in the first day, which,
for those of them familiar, that's in a one of
the lowest numbers and professional golf history. And he finishes
on the first hole in front of like ten people
around the green. It's like, I mean, what, you know,
the whole shotgun start is kind of weird. And you know,
I'm watching John Ronzey off on the Last Day TV
and it's like Little Wayne in the background and then
John romteen off. Don't get me wrong, I like Lil Wayne.

(17:05):
Don't get me wrong, I like John rom playing golf.
I don't know if I like him together, if that
makes sense.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
So Kevin bow in the Morning Show seven until ten
to a m. He and Jeff and James weekday morning
show on the Fan. Kevich on the Andy Moore Automotive
Group Potline. So if you were with a group, you
and your guys down in Bloomington, where would your interest
level rank if somebody in the group was going to
pay for a round of shots and goes with jaegermeister.

Speaker 6 (17:36):
Man, I'd be so pissed. I'd be you know, it's
just a definite what the you know, one of those Yeah,
I obviously the person that's buying it certainly better be
taking it with us. There better be chilled, boy. I've honestly,
Jaeger probably leads to the quickest one of the quicker
gag reflexes. I think of any shot that I've probably

(17:57):
ever had, now that I think about it. So yeah,
I know we've talked about the Yeager Mister cup before
on air, and every time I think about it, my
stomach just starts to get a little cringey.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
There.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Black Licorice or the Black Keys would you rather see
the Black Keys or drink something that tastes like black licorice?

Speaker 2 (18:16):
What say you, Kevin Bowen?

Speaker 6 (18:18):
Yeah, probably Little Black Keys action.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
So are you?

Speaker 6 (18:20):
Are you checking them out on the Sunday to go?

Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yeah, this may be the first time I've seen an
actual band from this era in forever normally, Yeah, to
go see them. They've had to have been really popular
about forty years ago.

Speaker 6 (18:37):
Yeah. Well, I didn't know if you had had some
yeger in the first hour and if that was, you know,
influencing your decision there. But I think I think that
would be a good time.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Gold on the ceiling howling for you. What's your favorite
Black Keys?

Speaker 7 (18:54):
So?

Speaker 2 (18:54):
What was they from?

Speaker 1 (18:55):
Akron, Ohio? I believe too? Is that their background? Two
dudes from Akron, Ohio?

Speaker 6 (19:00):
Yeah, you kind of lost me and trying to get.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
Into where they're from. Yah, but that.

Speaker 6 (19:06):
Yeah, they strike me as a little Midwestern ee I guess.
But yeah, I think that honestly is a good time.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
Boy.

Speaker 6 (19:16):
Last week, I'm trying to think clips Ship there had
or Ruolph had well was it fifty not fifty cent
or was it Nelly and jaw Rule? I think they.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Oh, yeah, you know jaw Rule stiff Me on the
show at the other station. Once upon a time he
was playing at the Vogue and Broad Ripple and stiff Me.
And that's when I started making fun of him trying
to rap all the time because he.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yeah, yeah, great rap.

Speaker 6 (19:42):
He's got one of the Yeah, he's got one of
the deeper. Honestly, the only one that has a deeper
voice than him is listening to Xavier and Howard today,
I could barely even hear the guy.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
But yeah, my lawnmower is a better rapper than jaw Rule.

Speaker 6 (19:55):
Seriously, honestly, it kind of sounds like that toilet next
our studio up there on the fourth floor.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
Yes, given Bullet who was with us, jah Rula and Nelly,
A lot of people did enjoy it, I guess, But yeah,
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
A big big fan of draw Rule.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
Hey, does Anthony Richardson's agent, other than getting a percentage
a cut of his earnings, does he have any any
legitimate reason to be all been out of shape with
this decision that was made yesterday by the Colts.

Speaker 6 (20:33):
I don't think a ton of merit. Yeah, I don't,
you know. I know he mentioned to see we had
seen it Holder on this morning. I know he mentioned
maybe a couple of other things, just how you know,
it feels like there's been times where maybe the Colts
publicly haven't given Anthony great benefit of the doubt, you know,
the like Shane certainly is not one that clears things
up for the back injury, I think comes to mind.

(20:57):
And you know last year when they finched Antony, I
think that was kind of awkward as well, with you
know what Shane was conveying to.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
The publics there.

Speaker 6 (21:05):
So I don't know, maybe there's a couple other things
behind the scenes that we don't know a whole lot of,
but no, this is simply a moment where, yeah, I
guess if you're the agent, you got.

Speaker 8 (21:15):
To be an agent.

Speaker 6 (21:16):
But what would be best for Anthony is to sit
back and be the backup and fans will clamor for him,
and then if Daniel Jones has the exact same career
he has had so far, either he'll play bad or
he'll get hurt, and that means he'll get another chance
here with at least an offense. You know, I don't

(21:36):
see it doing any good him getting traded tomorrow, going
to insert your team here, learning a playbook in a
month and then all of a sudden, potentially having to
be in a game setting. I think the best chance
for him to look, you know, halfway decent in any
NFL uniform this year would be right here.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
Who is most worthy of blame here?

Speaker 1 (21:55):
The quarterback that clearly is not ready and looks like
an absolute buz. Or the group that selected him knowing
the background and knowing what needed to be done for
him to reach what they expect. Or the quarterback slash
offensive guru that can't get a guy and you're number

(22:16):
three ready to start in week number one? So what
is most to blame in that scenario I just presented it.

Speaker 6 (22:24):
Certainly all the above deserve blame. I would say to me,
it's an organizational failure of the draft pick and the
plan itself. So I really think Shane Sychen is much
to blame as Chris Ballard. I think Psychan was very
adamant about Richardson in the draft, and you know how,
you know, we need game reps, and we need game

(22:46):
reps and game reps and now it's like wait a minute, no,
you know, he's got to learn line of scrimmage stuff
in meetings and you know, injuries have contributed to him
not learning that stuff. Well it's like, well, aren't injuries
meaning he does get the time in the meeting rooms
but not the games. So it's just all really the
whole plan dating back to April twenty twenty three. You know,

(23:07):
none of it I think is unfolded in any manner
in which the Colts thought was beneficial. And so you know,
again to me, it is the fourth overall pick, you know,
deciding to stay put, not try and offer what you
know Carolina you know had there, and then you know,

(23:29):
to get to the number one pick and then have
your choice of you know who you could have selected
there at one. You know, obviously Bryce Young could have
been that or c. J. Stroud if you wanted to
go in a different direction. And then once you got
in your own building, you know, they've had the same
coaching staff. I've always felt this about truck Legonnald Andrew Luck.

(23:49):
You know, he didn't really mess around with that first
offensive staff with Andrew Luck. I mean it was Bruce
Arians and Kwi Christiansen as his OC and as quarterbacks coach.
You know, Jim Bob Cooter and Cam Turner. They don't
have that resume here in Indy. You know, from a
backup quarterback standpoint. You know, they went out and they
got Matt Hausebek and he was at the backup for
you know, the vast majority of Andrew Luck's rookie contract.

(24:10):
You know, Gardner Minshew wanted no part of teaching or
helping Andy Richson along, Joe Flacco certainly wanted no part
of that, and Daniel Jones trying to resurrect his career.
So yeah, I think A Blaine just starts with the
draft selection, the plan itself. Obviously the player deserves some
of that as well, but I would start there.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Hey, keV, is both the best case and the worst
case scenario this team winning ten games?

Speaker 6 (24:40):
Uh yeah, I guess I can hear you out on that.
Are you saying winning ten games? Daniel Jones then signs
like a three year extension to stay here.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Is that where you're and then everybody comes back?

Speaker 3 (24:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (24:53):
Yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yah.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
I'm I think carl I think Carly Ursay Gordon is
gonna be more hardcore about this than what people believe
that she will be. I do, and I do also
want to know when they go around the room with
that particular trio, including Chris Ballard, what the thought was
on Week one of the starting quarterback. But I also

(25:17):
I'm trying to balance what would be the best and
the worst because people around here want to see winning
and you know, let to see maybe a division certainly
want to see a divisional win and a postseason appearance.
But if this team, you know, goes above one of
the expectations, let's just say, keV, you know Vegas has
the odds at over seven and a half, let's see

(25:37):
they go to ten in this situation. Is that or
could that be considered best and worst case scenarios for
the future of this team?

Speaker 6 (25:47):
Yeah, I would agree on the Carly part. I guess
to start there. I don't think it's just a fourgone
conclusion X amount of wins and playoff appearance equals you know,
Kumbaya moment and we're bringing everybody back. I don't think
it's that just black and white in her eyes. So

(26:09):
I'll be curious if that sort of scenario plays out,
if that's exactly what happens. But yeah, I think there's
an element of you've watched all this unfold, and you know,
are you really having the full growth mindset or are
you gonna just can be stuck in the quarterback purgatory?
And you know, again, you can look at a slew
of examples around the league. You know, Kansas City for example,

(26:32):
before Mahomes, I mean, they were winning at a fine
rate with Alex Smith. They decided, hey, no, we need
to do bigger and better. Let's make the big trade up.
Let's go get Patrick Mahomes. Buffalo was a playoff team
before Josh Allen, and yet they traded up twice to
get Allan, you know, Baltimore back into round one to
get Lamar Jackson to win Joe Flacco. You know, it'd
been their guy for ten years and was a fine

(26:54):
player at that point. Even modern day, you kind of
look at Minnesota, you know Cousins, it's a fine quarterback,
but they felt the need to go get JJ McCarty.
And you know when Donald and free agency happened this year.
You know, Donald, no, we're not gonna bring him back,
We're gonna let him walk. So I would think that

(27:14):
that would be on her mind. But yeah, I mean
ten wins season, Jones walks up fine line of what
he showed in twenty twenty two.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Boy, they got it.

Speaker 6 (27:25):
They're gonna have a big decision to make because honestly,
the Daniel Jones financial decision is is bigger and more
timely than Anthony Richardson's. You know, Richardson is still under
contract for next year. You can pick up the fifth
year team option for him after this season. That's the
one decision you have to make. You're not committee. If
Jones is a good year, someone's given him three years

(27:45):
in whatever, sixty million whatever, justin Field's got something like that,
and you know you have to make that decision right here,
right now. And so I think, guess what makes it,
you know, very difficult.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
Givin Bower in the Morning Show seven until ten am.
That is the Fan Morning Show with Jeff and James
coming at you tomorrow morning, Thursday morning, once again with
a lot of content for you for three hours. I
kind of look at at this season with expectations. I
mentioned the Vegas odds of seven and a half. Over

(28:17):
that right now, what are you thinking about this group?

Speaker 6 (28:24):
I probably hover around eighth, you know, maybe nine. You know,
I do think they've improved their pass catching and I
think Kyle Morn is a great, great talent and I
think they'll have more and ability to you know, create
whatever some yards after catch. If Jonathan Taylor can you know,

(28:47):
be kind of a steady force that you know, he's
been through so much of his career. Offensive line is
a little bit of a concern if that takes a
step back, I don't know. I think some things could unravel,
you know, defensively, I don't think you can get much
worse from a scoring unit. You know, last year they
wont to eight with all this quarterback sort of dysfunction.
So even if you have some of that quarterback issue again,

(29:10):
if you're a little bit better of a pass catching group,
and if you take a little step forward defensively, you
know who's to say you're not, you know, right now
the same ballpark of eight or nine wins. I didnt
think the schedule is a little tougher, particularly the road schedule,
so that would be a question mark. And I think
schedule wise, you got to get some of this stuff early.
I mean, Daniel Jones, I think walks into a pretty
favorable situation with Miami's banged up secondary, you know, rookie quarterback.

(29:33):
In Week three, you got the Raiders and Cardinals at
home back to back weeks. Those are early games ten
am out West, and so I do think that kind
of plays into what should be a positive for you
on paper. But I'll probably hover right on eight or
nine wins when it's time to make that call.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
So, since we normally float with disaster around here, how
disastrous would be a zero and two start for everything
going on here?

Speaker 6 (30:01):
Oh boy, that sounds terrific. Yeah yeah, I mean, of
all of the bad starts to a season, that would
probably be right up there with any Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
That is that is such a must win and I
know everybody giggles when I say that. But if they
lose to Miami at home in week one, regardless of
these circumstances we're talking about right now, that that does
set the stage for an absolute disastrous start with this group.

Speaker 6 (30:29):
Yeah, And I mean, I'll be really curious to see
what that atmosphere is like on September seventh. I mean,
it's you know, if he does not get off to
a good start, Jones, you know it'll be I think
it'll be pretty ominous pretty quickly in there, I think.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Yeah, like his first incompletion ominous. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (30:50):
Yeah, And obviously you know and turnover early definite, But
you know those things, and you know now vice versa.
If you win, hell, you haven't won an opener and
twelve years, people might carry him back to his homes.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
There's no doubt the bar is set relatively low.

Speaker 6 (31:05):
You're right about that, Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
Hey, any exotic out think in the room offensively packages
short yardage, goal line stuff with Anthony Richardson as the backup.

Speaker 6 (31:21):
You know, if I remember correctly, I don't think they
did any of that last year when Flacco was in there,
and you would think Flacco, being much more of the statue,
you would do some of that. You know, Jones is
you know, definitely not Placo, So I think they're a
little bit more content with Jones as a runner. I
don't know. I would think that it's something that you

(31:42):
should explore. I do think they'll use Tyler Warren in
a variety of ways short yardage, but yeah, weirdly like
same thing with like same thing, with a whole toush push.
You know, Colt has never been a Toushbush team with
Stikeen and with Richardson. Yeah, I think you would have
it in there, but I don't know, if you know,
he would definitely go to that necessarily. I think it

(32:06):
would make a lot of sense, But I'm not one
thousand percent like if this was a college football season
or a college football program like that would be like
a no brainer, I think for teams to try and do.
But I don't know. For some reason, I don't think
it's just an absolute slam dunk from from Shane so keV.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Did I hear this accurately?

Speaker 1 (32:25):
You drop your sunglasses in the porter pot down in
the excrement in the blue and you reach down there
and got him.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Is this true?

Speaker 3 (32:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (32:34):
Sausage fest on Saturday night? Oh yeah, yeah, trying to
get Max bow and trying to get the underwear down
to the ankles in time for his potty training to
hopefully continue in the old quarter potty, and I mean
it's hotter than you know what, and I feel the

(32:54):
sunglasses start to slip. I think I kind of thought
they would maybe hit his body and hopefully not fall in.
And they fell in, and boy, it was a kind
of a fight or flight moment. I don't think I'm
super proud of it, but yeah, I did just like
dig them out with be acting like they were waiting.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Did you soak in it like the palm olive commercial
old school? Did you put your hand in it and
kind of soak in it for a moment or was
it on top of what I was?

Speaker 6 (33:22):
No, thankfully they were a bit floating, which I don't
know if that's a good thing or not, to be
honest with you.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
Yeah, but so it landed on an island, is what
you're saying right there, that's fortunate.

Speaker 6 (33:33):
Right Then I got home and boy, I washed the
sunglasses like you know, doctor washing their hands during COVID.
So I was, you know, I was all over it.
And I'm really hoping people forget about it. And I
don't know if I yeah, probably not looking at me
at Colts Practice like wait, are those of the sunglasses?

Speaker 1 (33:50):
And I'm like, oh, yeah, on your face there? Yeah,
I mean in sausage fists. So everybody is eating ample
amounts of of cured and processed meats.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Yeah, right, that's tough.

Speaker 6 (34:04):
Right, second night as well, I'll probably mention that too.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
I don't know. Second night.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Yeah, and I imagine they didn't get cleaned.

Speaker 6 (34:14):
Yeah, yeah, they after night one. You're saying, that's not
that's not necessarily top of mind for them.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Were these like rate man sunglasses that were expensive or
why did you feel the need to retrieve them?

Speaker 6 (34:27):
I do like them, they weren't super expensive. Again, it
was you know, I hate to blame it on just instincts,
but it was just so instinctual. It was just, you know,
I'm hoping he's not being on me, and and next thing,
you know, I just stuck that left hand in there
and got him out. And as soon as I did it,

(34:48):
I thought to myself, gosh, was that really smart of me?
And I felt the need to, you know, offer a
little support group, and uh, safe to say people have
been pretty disgusted.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
But what did Matty Bowen think about that instinctual reaction
right there?

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Was she proud of that?

Speaker 6 (35:06):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (35:07):
No, not at all, not at all.

Speaker 6 (35:09):
No, she wasn't at all. I thought she'd be a
little bit more on the support of front. So again,
not not one of my finer moments, but I just
I was scrambling, I was nervous, I was sweating, and
next thing, you know, they fell in there and I said,
I'm gonna get those out.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Of there, and yeah, I think car keys, you got
to go after them.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
And that's unfortunate. But yeah, sunglasses.

Speaker 7 (35:34):
Thro and wallet you're yeah.

Speaker 6 (35:36):
You'd be digging them out.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
Yeah, I mean I don't know, Yeah, probably, yeah, i'd
be wouldn't be great, so did you you know, I'd
probably think about where I was. I'm at sausage Fast
or I guess any porta pot's basically the same kind
of situation.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
So yeah, I don't know about sunglasses though, but I
get it. Man, Hey, you're honest. Let's good.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
The show's about honesty. Your show's about honesty. Others probably
would do the same thing, keV.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
So it's all right, and thank you.

Speaker 6 (36:09):
Here to Ryan, Kevin, you're doing much better developing your
son at potty training than the Colts had done with
Anthony Richardson.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
Well, thank you, Ryan.

Speaker 6 (36:16):
You know we can spin this in a positive We're
gonna write a press release about that. You know. That's
where I would like to kind of spend it in
a posit direction.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
There, keV. Well done.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
Man The Fan Morning Show tomorrow morning, he Jeff and
James have you from seven until ten. Kevin Bowenes on
the Andy Moore Automotive Group Potline. Always a pleasure, buddy,
Have a great rest of the week.

Speaker 6 (36:37):
Jah rules the toilet next door John.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
A revolting development in joining us right now?

Speaker 1 (36:45):
I'm sure for a good friend, Pat Boyling on the
Andy Moore Automotive Group potline, this is not at all
what you thought you were going to get as an intro, isn't.

Speaker 8 (36:53):
I've stopped predicting what I'm going to get as an intro.
I just go with me here with you never know
so predict thing would be a false.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Errand if you dropped your sunglasses in a porta potty,
would you go after him?

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Not a chance? If you drop your keys in a
porta potty, would you go after him?

Speaker 5 (37:14):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (37:15):
Gosh?

Speaker 8 (37:15):
I would probably try to macguiver some tool together to
do it. I genuinely don't think I could go after
it without a tool.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Do you have a friend that carries a close hanger?
Would you try to do that? It's like one of
these carnival games. Can you fish your keys out of
the porter potty with a close hanger?

Speaker 6 (37:35):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (37:35):
I would probably, You know what, I would probably auction
it off to the lowest bidder that I could find.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Yeah, that's understandable. Hey, Pat, have you ever been to
Lallapalooza any of them? I have not no pat Would
you go see the Black Keys on Sunday if you
had the opportunity, sure?

Speaker 7 (37:57):
Why not?

Speaker 2 (38:00):
If you were with a group of friends.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
Yeah, and one of your friends decided to order you
a shot of Jaegermeister, which is a Jaeger bomb.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Would you drink or would you go no? I'm okay, you.

Speaker 8 (38:14):
Know what that that for a while was a drink
of choice in college.

Speaker 7 (38:18):
I don't know that I've.

Speaker 8 (38:19):
Had it since like twenty thirteen maybe, but on nostalgia alone,
if I didn't have to work the next day, you
could probably talk me into it.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
See.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
I think that the Jaegermeister and jaeger Bombs in particular,
I think it's gross and douchey. At the same time,
I didn't know that Munsey was that douchey back in
the day.

Speaker 8 (38:37):
Was it, Well, it's certainly gross. I don't know, certainly gross.
You know, when I was in college.

Speaker 7 (38:46):
We won.

Speaker 8 (38:48):
A Halloween dress up contest at the What's Bill Street Bar,
and the prize that we won was actually this jeger
Meister dispenser machine, like you would you have maybe seen
them at.

Speaker 7 (39:01):
The bar, but it was this yeah spencer machine.

Speaker 8 (39:04):
Now, we got to bring back home, and that was
like the coolest thing you could possibly have. Wow, back
in twenty thirteen in your college house.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
So did that's where the bottles go upside down and
it comes out chilled?

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Correct?

Speaker 7 (39:19):
Correct?

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (39:20):
Man, Yeah, see, that's the only way you can do
it is chilled. But I always frown upon the dude
that said, hey, I'm buying around, who wants a Yaeger Bomb?

Speaker 2 (39:31):
I go, come on, man, seriously, a Jaeger bomb.

Speaker 8 (39:35):
It sounded like a great idea twelve thirteen years ago.

Speaker 7 (39:39):
It sounds like a horrible idea.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Now, yeah, I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Well, I just bring that up because I'm here at
the mic this afternoon where the Indy eleven in Greenville
match up in the quarterfinals of.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
The Jaegermeister Cup.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Now, if the Indy eleven win, do you get to
drink a Jaegermeister out of the Cup?

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Because I would?

Speaker 1 (40:01):
Okay, So I'm trying not to offend Jaegermeister while I'm
here too, Pat, you think I'm doing a hell of a.

Speaker 8 (40:06):
Job I sponsor.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
Oh, I think that they kind of know what you're
getting into with Jegermeister, right, I mean, you got people
that pretty much have these definitive opinions about it one
way or the other. I imagine you don't have anybody
who doesn't have an opinion on right exactly.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
All right.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
I know you've covered sports, you've watched sports for a
long time, and it's been oh whoe is us with
injuries really regarding any of the professional sports teams around
here for so many years.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
But have you ever been around anything like.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
The Indiana Fever right now, with this mass unit that
they have on the bench. It is to me absolutely
incredible what they've gone through.

Speaker 8 (40:57):
Yeah, it's it's really been, you know, a bummer, to
put it lightly. The only thing that I can think
of my very first year here with the Pacers and
the Fever. I was hired about a month after Paul
d broke his leg with Team USA, and if you
remember that team, that would be the fourteen to fifteen season.
Early on in the year at Paul George, George Hill,

(41:18):
David Wests, Roy Hibbert all suffering injuries kind of simultaneously,
and they went into a month of the season without
a ton of guys. And that's the only thing that
even I think is comparable to this. It's just it's
so frustrating because the moment you get somebody back, it
feels like one step forward, two steps back.

Speaker 7 (41:37):
You suffer. You know, two season ending injuries.

Speaker 8 (41:40):
At Phoenix a couple of weeks ago, with Sidney Colson
and Aarry McDonald, you suffer the one the other day
with Sophie Cunningham out in Connecticut. You know, you're still
hoping to get soon Caitlin Clark back and hoping that
is the case. And you just look at this group
right now, and it's amazing. I had this kind of
conversation with Jake a few days ago. I mean, it's

(42:02):
amazing how many different iterations of this team there has
been from the version of the team you saw at
the beginning of the season and expected this team to
be a roster wise at the end of the year, look,
health and injuries happened to everybody, and there seemed to
be a rash going around the WNBA of injuries to
other teams and key players too.

Speaker 7 (42:21):
So Steve are not alone.

Speaker 8 (42:22):
In the injury category, but they are I would say
alone in terms of the vastness of the injuries they suffered.
And you know, the only other thing I'd add is
if you think about everything that's happened, this is the
third injury to Cunningham. They don't have Colton, they don't
have McDonald the rest of the way, Caitlyn Clark has
missed almost two thirds of the year. Look, I know
nineteen and sixteen is not a flashy record, but it is,
in my opinion, pretty impressive because it's a better record

(42:45):
than this team had last year when Caitlin Clark played
the whole year and injuries never really came into play.
So to have your head above water here, I think
is a real accomplishment. But you know, it goes without
saying you can ill afford any and many, if any
more of these. I mean, you're just in such a
difficult position, and in the WNBA, especially when you can

(43:06):
only keep twelve players on a roster, and oftentimes teams
have that down to eleven because of where.

Speaker 7 (43:11):
The salary cap is.

Speaker 8 (43:13):
You just don't have the depth of an NBA roster
which goes eighteen guys deep when you count the two
way players. So you know, you've seen the hardship contracts
and the seven day contracts and all those players coming
in and coming out, and I'm sure the Fever have
to leave the WNBA and most hardship players sign this year.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Pat Boylan, who is the voice of the Fever, also
does all that work on the pac Al Radio Networks
on the Andy Moronto Motive Group hotline The Fever at
Home against the Links coming up on Friday. We got
to work today regarding Hey from Stephanie, why when you see,
you know, Caitlin Clark out there, that's when we can
start talking about herb playing again. And I guess that's

(43:51):
kind of understandable when you're going through something like this,
But I thought you brought up a great point that
sometimes gets lost in this old woe with us and
Shuffle being three games above five hundred and having to
endure all this, there is something significant to be said
positively about that.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
That's a hell of an effort.

Speaker 8 (44:13):
I really think it is, you know, And it goes
back to just a ton of resiliency that you've seen
from this team, you know. And no better example probably
than the game on Sunday in Connecticut.

Speaker 7 (44:23):
The Fever go down twenty one.

Speaker 8 (44:24):
They don't have Cunningham, they don't have Clarks, they don't
have McDonald, they don't have Coulson, Connecticut is not a
good team, but to overcome a twenty one point second
f depisite amid all of those circumstances is really really impressive.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
And you know, this.

Speaker 8 (44:37):
Team at the beginning of the year, if you would
have said nineteen and sixteen, you know, going into game
number one, that would have felt disappointing. But when you
look at all the circumstances this team has faced and
the lack of lineup continuity, and it felt like there
have been, you know, six different versions of this team.
And again we're talking over a forty four game season.
And sometimes I make this comparison because I know there

(44:59):
have been a lot of long time Pacers and NBA
fans that have started.

Speaker 7 (45:01):
Following the last few years.

Speaker 8 (45:03):
In a forty last year or forty four game season
this year, you know, it's you get about half of
the time that an NBA team gets and the Pacers
really didn't get going until game twenty five thirty this
past year, and we saw them ride that all the
way to a game away from a championship. Well, you
just don't get that luxury in the WNBA if you
have injury troubles like this at this degree, they're just

(45:26):
tough to overcome, and so to be nineteen and sixteen here,
I mean, you're still in the thick of the playoff hunt,
and if you can get Caitlin Clark back, you know
you still got two other All Stars on this roster.
As frustrating and as you know, a tough of times
as the injuries have been to take, I still think

(45:46):
you can look at this and say you've got your
head above water and your best days still could be
ahead of you. But at the same time, the season
does end here in just a few weeks, so we
are closing in on the finish line. September ninth is
the final game. There's a bunch of games jam packed
in and you're really starting with this Friday. The fever
go about every other day the rest of the way.
So they'll certainly be tested here down the stretch, and

(46:08):
obviously lineup availability will be a big part of that
and how they can finish out their season. But there's
no reason they shouldn't be in the playoffs and they
still are fighting for them. Court Evamas in the first round,
which I think is impressive considering the circumstances and all
of the.

Speaker 7 (46:22):
Lineup changes in the injury troubles they face.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Should there be some talk regarding Kelsey Mitchell an MVP
for the role that she was played through all of
this this season?

Speaker 6 (46:32):
Yeah, I think in.

Speaker 8 (46:33):
Those questions, you know, I always ask, you know, how
do you frame conversation? Because I think Nafisa call Year
is probably the MVP at least right now, and Asia
Wilson is probably the runner up. But when you talk
about conversation, in my opinion, just like you were last
year with Caitlin Clark, you're talking about the top four

(46:53):
or five players. There's no question that Kelsey Mitchell deserves
to be talked about in grouping of players. She's third
in the league in scoring. You know, what she's done
without Caitlin Clark out there has been, in my opinion,
the individual most important thing that the Fever have gotten
and the biggest individual reason the Fever are three games

(47:14):
over five hundred. The play of Kelsey Mitchell has been spectacular,
and look it's been far from her. Leaph Austin played
really well and Natasha Howard's been good.

Speaker 7 (47:22):
You know, I think the coaching staff has done a.

Speaker 8 (47:23):
Great job and keeping all of this together when easily
the Wheels could have fallen off. But you're talking about
a player that is putting up pretty rarefied air numbers
here and set the record for the most points in
a game this year in her last game. So I
absolutely think she deserves in the conversation, is she gonna
win it? Odds are probably no. I think that probably

(47:45):
goes to Callier, or if Callier were to end up,
you know, being injured for a few more weeks, maybe
Wilson or Thomas slip in there. But when you're talking
about the top four or five six players in the
WNBA this year, there's no question in my mind that
Kelsey Mitchell's in that conversation.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
His pat Boylan and Rick Carlisle's in that conversation for
the best head coaches certainly in the NBA right now.
And we'll be a Hall of Famer one of these days.
And got extended and rightly so earlier this week, and
a shout out to the Pacer head boss.

Speaker 7 (48:20):
Yeah, no question.

Speaker 8 (48:21):
I mean, we talk about overcoming adversity and obstacles here
over the last few months that the Fever have overcome,
and I think everybody remembers the Pacer story, and we'll
remember the Pacer story of the twenty four to twenty
five season for a long time. But it's really amazing
to think where that team was in early December, which
was you know, uh, oh, are they going to be

(48:42):
a play in team? At one point they were even
outside of the play in tournament, which is outside the
top ten.

Speaker 7 (48:48):
You know, I think in.

Speaker 8 (48:48):
Early December, maybe late November somewhere around there. And for
them to turn that around and have the season they have,
you know, I don't need to explain just how impressive
and how special of a year it was, but we're
lucky to have here.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
You know.

Speaker 8 (49:01):
I remember when the announcement kind of came that the
Dallas breakup was happening, if you will, and Rick Carlisle
was going to end up in a different direction, and
you know, there were a lot of people saying, can
you get Rick Carlisle here?

Speaker 7 (49:15):
Can you get Rick Carlisle here?

Speaker 8 (49:16):
And you know I was hopeful, but I thought it
might be just a little bit too pie in the sky.
And you know, they got it done. The Sigmon's got
it done, you know, the front office got it done.
And for him, you know, hopefully don't want to be
here for the.

Speaker 7 (49:28):
Rest of his career.

Speaker 8 (49:29):
I think it's massive. You know, he's, in my opinion,
clearly a top five coach. When you look at the
job that coaches did last year and you include the
postseason in that conversation, I would say he did the
best coaching job of anybody in the NBA last year.
And Yeah, thrilled to see the news that he'll be
around for the foreseeable future.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Yeah, no doubt about that, and then coaching the lights
out this Sekon. I cannot wait for this season to
start because I again have so much of a belief
probably more so and the most out there and what
this team can accomplish even without it's star. Coming up
in twenty five and twenty six, Pat boiling with us

(50:09):
on the Andy Moore Automotive groupiline a lot of good
Q and a right there, I appreciate you and are
you a part of the broadcast coming up on Friday?

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Right?

Speaker 8 (50:18):
Yeah, So the Friday broadcast is the same situation that
we had last Friday. These are broadcasts that are on Ion,
so it's not our actual local crew, but Debbie and
I do get to call it, so you.

Speaker 7 (50:30):
Will hear a familiar voice. Ion is the network.

Speaker 8 (50:35):
This weekend, and then we will be continuing with our
coverage on Sunday as well. If you have a home
and home with Minnesota, top team in the league, their
best player has been out, so not clear yet if
Nafisa Collier will be playing in either of both of
those games. I think it's a pretty key couple games here.
If you could split the pair. The final stretch of
schedules not too difficult.

Speaker 7 (50:54):
You could maybe string a few together.

Speaker 8 (50:56):
But they'll certainly be tested here this weekend and we'll
look forward to talking to all of you on Ion.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
So what will follow you guys on Ion on Friday?
Do you know the programming?

Speaker 8 (51:07):
I think if you were to ask me to predict,
I might with the first pick in the Ion post
fever drafts. Well, it'll It'll probably be a game. It'll
be a different of NBA.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
Game, Okay, So it won't be like a very special
episode of Family Ties or anything like that.

Speaker 7 (51:22):
Right, I'm gonna go with Hawaii Bibo.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
I watch.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
I watched magdum Pi twice every evening, seriously, like the
old school magdim Pi with Rick and TC and Tom Selleck.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
It's on on something I think get.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
I think it's Great Entertainment Television or whatever that is
on Channel eighty three on my direct TV every week night,
back to back Magnums after back to back to back
Rockford Files.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Can you beat that?

Speaker 7 (52:00):
I don't think you can. I am.

Speaker 8 (52:01):
I'm actually on my TV right now and I'm scrolling
through ION just to kind of check some of their programming.
But possible selections include Chicago PD.

Speaker 7 (52:12):
Let's the NCIPS. That's the possibility.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
Blue blood Yes, blue Bloods. That's Tom Selick right there,
isn't it? Blue Bloods? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (52:21):
Hey, by the way, did you watch Family Ties? You're
too young to have watch Family Ties?

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Right?

Speaker 7 (52:26):
I did not watch Family Ties now because.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
I was going to ask you a trivia question.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
Do you remember what incredible actor that is as well
known as anybody now had a couple of guest spots
as the unfortunate alcoholic Uncle Ned on Family Ties back
in the eighties?

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Can you name that actor?

Speaker 7 (52:48):
The degree to which you are over my head is
perhaps in.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Es Tom Hanks played Uncle Ned on Family Ties. He
had a problem with alcohol, significant problem to Uncle Ned
back then. I think he also embezzled money from a bank,
so he had some issues.

Speaker 7 (53:09):
Badly. Tie time but it was a little.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Before I got you.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
That always a pleasure, man, Man, thanks for planning along
and being a part of it.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (53:20):
Hey, Hey, I.

Speaker 8 (53:21):
Don't know that we'll we'll ever be able to top
the intro conversation, but we can't.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Well damn straight, try, buddy. Thank you.

Speaker 7 (53:29):
Thanks Joan.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
He certainly has been here longer than that.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
He's a friend of the show, has such a staple
in doing collegiate games, and now is a part of
the Colts Radio Network. The former Colts tight end joins
us now and the Andy Moore Automotive groupileline.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
Charles R. Buckle is with us.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
So of all the drama, everything that's going on surrounding
the quarterback situation, would have been your thoughts on the
past two days about the team you're covering this season,
you know.

Speaker 5 (54:01):
Jamb the hardest part for me was letting my mind,
my head make the decision instead of my heart. You know,
I like Anthony. I think the folks there have grown
to like him. He's a really likable guy, you know,
just seems to you know, just doesn't give me any
trouble as really progress well, very young, but he still

(54:26):
shows the maturity that I.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Like about him.

Speaker 5 (54:29):
The problem for me was, even when I was going
to practice the few times that I've seen them practice,
and then also in the game situations, it wasn't the
plays that he made. It was the plays that he
didn't make. Let me say that again, and I want
people to really think about that. It was the plays
that he didn't make, and it was a little things

(54:51):
getting the ball to the running back where he could
run and make a play, because that keeps drives alive.
Throwing the ball to the tight end or the receiver
coming across the field where they can catch it and
run and turn up the field and make yards. The
great quarterbacks can do that, and I'm not saying that
Anthony can't be great, but he hasn't had enough reps

(55:12):
to do that consistently and make those scrolls that Daniel
Jones has done for seventy starts, sixty nine starts, how
many times he started in the NFL, and he was
a fourteen million dollar insurance policy. So again, when you
look at this, I always charted that even in practice
and in the games, can is he making the routine play?

(55:32):
And the routine play? To me, and I think everybody
got blown out of proportion when he got that sack
and gave up. That was a that was not good
for him. But it was those little bitty throws, not
the one you know, even this past weekend to Anthony
Gooule where he got called back against Green Bay that
was a pinpoint pass. But I saw that when I

(55:53):
came to a game live before. I've seen that when
I've watched him play, but I haven't seen the routine play,
the running back to the receiver to the tight end
to allow them to then turn up the field and
make the play. So in the big scheme of things,
it was hard for me to keep saying that ar
is going to start if he can't just do those consistently,

(56:14):
and especially when I watched other quarterbacks during.

Speaker 7 (56:19):
The preseason make those scrows.

Speaker 5 (56:21):
When you watch consistently, some of the younger guys, some
of the guys that have been around, some that are
now you know, you're saying that's what you want to see.
And for whatever reason, that allowed Daniel Jones to stay close,
stay close, stay close, and then finally when he had
that drive where they got in position, they didn't score points.

(56:41):
I think those kind of things were what Shane and
his staff looked at. They had to because that's what
I saw as a player. And here's the thing that
I love. Michael Pittman and all the other guys still
said we love Anthony. But in football, you can't allow somebody,
especially if the NFL, to learn on the job.

Speaker 6 (57:02):
You just can't.

Speaker 5 (57:03):
And that's the sad thing for me where my heart
played a role for him because I know how much
work he put in. I could see the changes in
what he was doing with his footwork, but it wasn't
always translating and it wasn't always allowing him to release
and unlock the things that the Colts have been looking
for him to do.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Charles Arbuckle, the Colts ready a network.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
The former tied ends on the Andy Morrow Automotive Group hoodline.
But he asked me this a little bit earlier, and
you could get much better opinion because you were an
actual player of the NFL. But do you think that
there are situations that are so much better that would
allow you to believe that things landscape wise can be
much different with the outcome here in Indy Over how

(57:49):
the first six seasons for Daniel Jones went with the Giants.

Speaker 5 (57:54):
See, that's the other million dollar question. We won't know
until the games start. We really won't because Daniel has
a propensity sometimes and this has got him in trouble
since he's been a young player to think I can
do hero ball, and you can do that in high school,
you can do that in college. But you get to
the pros, you've got to trust the weapons that you
have around you or you just live to see another day.

(58:16):
And then I will say this too, when you have
so many different offensive coordinators in your ear, and then
you have Brian Daboll, who I don't think at the
end was really treating Daniel with any sense of modicum
of respect consistently. I'm not saying he was a bad
dude or anything like that. I just don't think. I
think he was ready to move on, and Daniel was

(58:37):
ready to move on. And now this has allowed him
this opportunity because it was said in that press conference,
he didn't have to worry about looking over his shoulder.
But let's say they get to a point in the
season they're rolling pretty well and then he starts to struggle.
You still have to keep Anthony engaged and involve. So
I think that's what we have to see. I won't

(58:57):
know that until we start in September. I really won't.
I won't really understand what Daniel's improvements have been until
we see that from the first part of the season
through the middle of the season through the end if
he stays healthy.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
It's really tough to understand other than the dynamic that
Chansdyke and want somebody that obviously can lead an offense,
which he does not feel or believe that Anthony Richardson
can do. Right now, what do you think is the
category Daniel Jones best benefits this offense for it to play,

(59:32):
hopefully sooner rather than later, Charles to the best of
its ability.

Speaker 5 (59:37):
So in basketball terms, he's a point guard that's going
to distribute the ball and not want to shoot right.
He is a guy that can just give the ball
to the people that need to make the plays, because
we've seen the ability of that with this team. They
have guys that can make plays. If you look up
and down this roster. You know Josh Downs when he's healthy,
what he can do. Ad Mitchell, who I think teas

(01:00:01):
this last year in training camp and teas us even
more this year. I'm waiting to see ad step up.
And I think this is the year and I think
Reggie has been in that head enough to help him
with that, Reggie waining their his position. Coach Michael Pittman Junior,
you know Alec Pierce. I mean, they've got some dudes,
and then the tight end position. I would say the

(01:00:21):
tight end position is going to be really, really strong
if these guys all stay healthy, whether it's Tyler Warren,
Moyley Cox or Jelannie Woods. You know, Drew Ogletree showed
some things. They've got a bunch of dudes there that
can make plays for him. It's just the matter now
of saying okay and don't let's not forget about j
T and DJ. Giddens has done a really nice job.

(01:00:43):
And I was the first guy that I saw when
I went to practice the first day. I was watching
them saying this twenty one is good, and then I
saw it more and more. So I think with that said,
if this offensive line can play and protect the tackles
worry me a little in so far in camp and
some but I haven't seen the starters enough to know

(01:01:05):
if that's just one of those things that they're working
out or if it's gonna be. But I think if
Daniel can distribute the ball like a point guard, you
call a game manager. I don't care what you call it,
but you call it getting the ball to the guys
that can make plays for you. That's what this offense
is designed to do. Because this defense is going to
turn the ball over. They're gonna make plays on the

(01:01:25):
defensive end, and I think they're gonna pressure more this year.
They will give the ball back to the offense. Now,
can the offense score enough points and put themselves in
a position not to turn the ball over like they
have had a propensity to do over the last few years.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
Here is Charles Arbuckle before I let you go, I'd
mentioned this when I brought you on the air. So
I guess Juju Brents and Jalen Jones are the ones.
Hopefully they're going to be healthy. We can focus in on.
We know that Kenny Moore was back thoughts on Xavian
Howard because all that we know basically is he didn't
play a year ago. He's a former pro bowler, but

(01:02:06):
he's thirty two and it's hard to turn back the
clock at that particular position.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
On the football field.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
And then what do you think about him, at least
as of right now, being listed as the starter in
that cold secondary.

Speaker 5 (01:02:19):
Yeah, well, they had so many injuries back there, jamb
I mean, you know, starting with Justin Walli, who I
felt so bad for him because I know he had
worked his tail off and was in a position to
help this team. Juju Brentz who can't see the stay
on the field. It's just you know, Jaylen Jones who
has been injured but has a lot of talent and

(01:02:39):
I think can really play well. That's what's given Zavian
the opportunity to come in and be the starter off
street so to speak, because he has cache. He has
he has done it, he has shown you what he
can do in the past. And I think that's the
one thing with this team and this secondary, they're going
to be ball hawking guy. They're gonna give up some plays. Now.

(01:03:01):
You're gonna see guys get toasted occasionally because they're gonna
be so aggressive. But I think that's what lou Ana
Rimo and Marimo wants and a Romo wants out of
this team consistently. And I say that's why you see
him starting and that's why when Kenny Moore gets healthy,
he'll be there ball hawking. You'll see that. Out of
this team, out of this defense that's designed to attack

(01:03:24):
up front and guys in the back go attack the
football chas.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
It is always a pleasure. We'll do this a hell
of a lot more.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
Man, I appreciate you, and we'll check in before the
start of the season, coming up here.

Speaker 5 (01:03:37):
Okay, hey, Man, appreciate it. Always good talking to you guys.