August 21, 2025 • 50 mins
00:00 - 24:53 - Nate Atkins from the IndyStar joins the show, and he starts by discussing the news that he will be leaving the Colts beat for a new opportunity! JMV and Nate then discuss Colts QB Coach Cam Turner’s comments to the media. They then dive into the Colts evaluation of Richardson in 2023, and their handling of him since then.
24:54 - 50:20 - Mike Chappell of FOX59 and CBS4 joins the show! Mike and JMV talk about the Colts naming Daniel Jones as their starter for the season, and the mistakes the Colts have made in developing Anthony Richardson.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Nate Atkins are the star. Explain yourself, sir, what in
the hell what's happening?
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm sorry, man, I you know, preseason comes sometimes and
sometimes you get traded something.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
You've just had enough, haven't you?
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Have?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
You just had enough? Is that what it's all about?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Of this whole Si, I knew how I knew I
would come off when I announced today and everyone's like,
rinse and repeat. You're tapping out after the latest quarterback change.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Another quarterback situation. I gotta go on this clown at
three o'clock in the afternoon and his dog crap show.
I'm done with this. That's what plays a role.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Now I'm gonna I'm gonna miss you, miss you, John.
But yeah, just heading off to a new opportunity. So
my final game we'll get we'll be seeing the the
threes and fours against the Bengals on Saturday.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Are you going to be doing the same thing or
something different, Nate?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Something similar. I've got to hold off on sharing the
details until I'm at the new place. But I will
be still in the NFL realm and still you know,
writing and on shows like this.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Oh wow, So yeah, we're not going to lose a
guest or anything. Right here, you're saying exactly, we like that,
like that a great deal. That's Nate Adkins of The Star,
at least for the time being, joining us on the
Andy Moore Automotive Group hootline. We'll get to preseason Game
three in Cincinnati on Saturday coming up in a minute,
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and the whole Anthony Richardson thing. But unless you made
a great point in your latest article, you know, blaming
everybody why, I think we've stroked this up with a
broad brush, without question, but rarely has anybody talked about
the quarterbacks coach Cam Turner. And then Cam Turner had
a very unfortunate Q and a yesterday too, and one
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that also even more unfortunate was caught on tape that
actually heard the audio of I've done all I can do,
And even though I think we all understand he didn't
mean that, that is absolutely positively something you can.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yeah, I think he was a little caught off guard.
I mean I was. I was asking him pretty.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Pretty directly because I feel like, you know, as we've
gone through this for years, we hear so much from
Shane Stikeen and Chris Ballard and Anthony Richardson and Jim
Bob Cooter, and we don't hear as much from the
guy who works with all the behind the scenes stuff.
That we're hearing constantly is you know, the reasons that
have held Anthony Richardson back. And so I just feel
like as those guys have been kind of dragged through
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the mud and deservedly, so they all deserve blame for
where we're at. You know, I just thought Cam Turner
it was time for him to answer a little bit
about that, and so I just wanted to put it
out there straight and see I would handle it and said,
you know, do you feel like you failed Anthony?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Did he fail you? Or did you fail each other?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Because when you get to if I'd ask him when
they drafted Anthony, if we get into year three and
you're benching for a second time, would you call it
a success or of failure? They all would have said
failure and they would have laughed at the idea of that.
But that's where we are. And so that's when he said,
you know, I've on all I can do, and then
he quickly goes and Anthony's giving great effort too, realizing
that it didn't come out the best way to say
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it that way, but it does show you that, and
I think it's true. I think he has tried all
he can try, and so what's the balance between if
you have a quarterback that it just doesn't click with
on any level? Versus are you doing all you can
do because there's a limited amount you can actually do.
That's sort of the chick or the argument here, and
it's it's probably a mix of both. But clearly it
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has not gone like they planned on it.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yeah, it is not it. Adkins are the stars on
the Andymore Hunter motive group potline. We don't live in
this world. But to me, it would have been better
and probably been more appreciated by the fan base had
he said I feel like I've tried all I can do.
He's just not very good. And that's that, I mean, seriously,
other than said backing that up with he's giving great effort,
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because then everybody goes, oh, okay, so is it your problem?
Is it the coaching staffs problem? Is it Richardson's problem?
So it's everybody's problem right here. It just it really
just falls in line with everything else that we we've
had to witness here in recent history. But Yeah, that
was unfortunate because that's something you know, you cannot say.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yeah, well, the thing is from Cam Turner's perspective that
that might be where he's at, where he's like, he
didn't pick Anthony Richardson. He didn't have the power to
do it, and so maybe you know, within his role
he does feel like, hey, I've I've done things I
need to do. He just didn't click. That just doesn't
work for the people above him, Chris Ballard and Shane Styken,
who drafted Anthony Richardson. Shane Stiken hounded the freaking table
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to get this guy way more than any other quarterback.
He wanted Anthony Richardson, and so they also decided to
start him, you know, week one of his rookie year,
after one quarter of a preseason game, because they were
that convinced that he was ready to at least put
on the field. And that's been the hardest part to
figure out this week is that you know, what we're
hearing right now is Daniel Jones won the job because
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of operation of the offense, pre snap, hadence, all that
kind of stuff. That is important, But how was Anthony
Richardson good enough to do that? Off zero career NFL
starts at the age of twenty one and twenty twenty
three for his week one start. But he's not ready
in week one of his thirties and now that he's
twenty two years old, how how did he get worse
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at that over two years? And that's that's the million
dollar question that we're not getting answers to well.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
And that plays off of what Cam Turner said. And
although he hasn't been around for the full ride here,
it would beg the question. You go into to year
number three in week number one and the guy that
pounded his fist on the table on the general manager
that did it, and the organization. Not everybody wanted him,
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mind you, but organizationally when they decided to pick richardson
number four, you can't even get him ready enough to
start in week one of his third year and beat
out a guy that's twenty games under five hundred after
six seasons. That's brutal.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah, it's rough.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
So like either they made a bad pick or they
have had bad development. But it's one of those two.
Those are the only two options that doesn't resolve Anthony.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Either.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
It's totally possible, if not very likely, that he there's
a lot of things he could have done differently, should
have done differently. But I'm telling you haven't gone down
to Gainesville twice that summer once to spend time with
Anthony Richson that his pro day wants to really get
to know everybody in his life. What was very clear
to me was the you know, the talent was through
the roof. Of course, as we know, I thought he
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was a good kid who came from a lot of
difficult circumstances both in his life and just the football
structure that he never had. He never went to these
quarterback camps, you know, he went to a local high
school that was rebuilding down the road. He went to
Florida when they were mired between two coaching staffs and
a lot of cultural problems and no real quarterback training
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there there. You know, I gave him grace for that.
But the thing that was so obvious within all of
that is this guy hasn't even had the first thought
about football as a job, what it means to be
the face of a franchise, what it means to be
a leader for your teammates and all eyes on you
type stuff. He had not even thought about that and
so if you're going to take a gamble on a
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player with that kind of talent, you need to do
it on the understanding of, Okay, we have to teach
him all these things that he's never known, and I
just don't think they were at all understanding of the
fact that he didn't know that. And it always stood
out to me that at that pro day, they only
had one member of the entire franchise at Anthony Richardson's
pro day before they made him the number four pick
in the draft, and that was Morocco Brown, who was
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there because he was in the area. And Morocco Brown
is the only other member of the franchise who was
pounding the table as much for Anthony richard as Shane Steichen.
So that event only served as confirmation bias to a
guy that was already, you know, full bloom in love
with Anthony Richardson. There just wasn't any any scrutinizing eye
or anyone there to learn new things, I don't think.
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And Morocco Brown is no longer with the franchise, So
there's not a single person in this building other than
me who is down there at his pro day before
they made him the number four pick in the draft,
where I think everything we're seeing now is what you
would have seen that day too.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
I've never brought this up before because frankly, there's a
lot of other stuff going on. But why is Morocco
Brown no longer with the franchise? Are you there, Nate?
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Yeah, I'm here, Sorry about that.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
That's okay. Do you know why he's no longer with
the franchise other than are you there, Nate.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Morocco Brown? I don't know all the specifics with it.
It just sort of became a It just kind of
became a for extra enough relationship by the end that
they wanted to move on.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
But I don't.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
I mean, it was one of the first warning signs
to me that Anthony Richmon has lost his last big
time believe because again, the other one was Shane Stike,
and Shane lost his trust with Anthony with that Texans
game last year. Everything goes back to the second Texans
game and it was a mix of a bunch of things.
It was a tap out, it was going ten to
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thirty two. It was a pick six before halftime where
he didn't do the audible that Shane was hoping he
would do. And it was him after the game, you know,
talking about the fact that he was tired, but he
also thinks he's a great passer. Like these are all Anthony.
Anthony's faults. He deserves blame for all of them. But
I think it was such such a moment that Shane
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got to where he thinks, I need a certain kind
of quarterback and this isn't it. And everything he's said
since then is what he's saying now about operations, the
line now, completion percentage is what matters, consistency, all this
stuff that goes against the guy that they drafted that
I think he just is wired to a certain football
otests level that I don't think he can even comprehend
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a quarterback who doesn't come in putting in eighteen hours
a day in the facility, that doesn't already know everything
about cover one, cover two, flitz pick up. It's a
lot of stuff Anthony needs to learn that I think
Shane just assumed he either knew or just by getting
reps and being on the field, it would become so
intrinsic because the guys he's been around had that already
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in Philip Rivers, Justin Herbert and Jalen Hurts. But those
other two who were even young quarterbacks, played a lot
of college ball, big time programs. They had this coaching,
they had this infrastructure, the offseason work, they had all
this stuff to build that. I just don't think the
Colts put much of any thought into building that until
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it was too late. It was late in his second
season benchim after the Texans game, and now they're going
to try and teach him all this while he is
losing trust in them because they've lost trust in him,
and it's been a fractured relationship ever since that second
Texans wler.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Well, and you mentioned fractured relationship. This is Nate Adkins
on the Andy Moore Automotive Group hotline too, joining us
that people had always had mentioned to me in passing
that maybe Morocco was playing the role, a bit of
a role of a fall guy. And then people always
ask me about you know, just Chris Ballad's always big
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on gauging the room, gauging everybody, and you know he
always tells you guys and pressers that he loves to
have his guys give him pushback because you can't be
unanimous on every single decision made. Are you aware of
how that room ultimately went when that draft came around
and they were going to decide to take Anthony Richardson,
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where their objectors in there? Because I'd always heard that
Ed Dodds maybe was in that room and was not
a big fan. But he's the only name that's ever
popped up. Have you ever heard just how unanimous or
lack thereof that room was on going with him in
the first place.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, so I know that, like I mentioned Shane Stike
in Morocco Brown, they were head over heels in love
with Anthony Richardson. I know Jim Mersey was a big
fan of him. He was also a fan of Lil Levis.
I know that they liked they like CJ. Stroud quite
a bit as well. And really, if you think about it,
everything they said heading into that draft, everything they say now.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
They're describing c J. Stroud.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
And what happened was they started with the combine workout
when Anthony Richmond posted the best combine any quarterback has
ever posted. And then it was the reports from Morocco
Brown day to day at practice of the kind of
crazy things this kid could do on the field. And
then when they spent they did spend a day with
him in Florida and to get to know him, and
and anyone who spends time with Anthony just on a
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personal level, you do like the kid. He's a very
bright personality. He likes everyone he's around, like it's easy
to just kind of hang out with him and just
like him on.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
A personal level.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
So they connect some dots that, hey, we like the
person and he has amazing talent, and we have this
coach and Shane Saikin that they believe and I think
rightly at the time, can make any quarterback work, which
is true. Stylistically, he's worked at Jalen Hurts, the mobile quarterback.
He's worked with Philip Rivers, you know, kind of a
statue pocket quarterback. So they just kind of made these
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assumptions and connected those dots. But I don't think they
really scrutinized the kind of football knowledge in the day
to day wiring of this kid. And what they ended
up messing up was, you know, giving him a job
so early. If you're going to draft him number four,
not because of any results, but because of potential, then
you're going to give him his first job based on potential.
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You know, you end up giving a kid, you know,
rewards that he has not earned, and so I just
I don't I don't think they were able to build
it that way. But as far as the room goes,
you know, they they light a few different quarterbacks in there,
and that's why they were not convicted enough to trade.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Up to number one, where they could have gotten c. J. Stroud.
And I don't think it would have been that hard.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
They would have had to, you know, give up some
good draft capital, and they would have had to probably
give up Michael Pittman Jr. Because the Panthers really wanted that.
But it was pretty well known that the Texans were
They were so torn between Bryce Young and Willie Anderson Junior.
They wanted both of them. And so if they had
made it known we're coming up, but it's only for CJ. Shroud,
I think the Texans would have been happy with that
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at the time. And I think that would have made
a lot of sense for the Panthers to only drop
back from one to four or the Bears from one
to four. The Panthers were the ones that we're going
to have to way leap frog that. But but what
my understanding was the Colts did not make much of
an effort to trade to number one. They were happy
to sit their number four. They felt good enough about
the quarterback options, they had enough believers in them in
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the room, and then just the belief that Shane Sichen
would make any of them work. That's ultimately what drove
their decision to sit it for And then Anthony was
Shane's favorite by far in that draft, and so when
he was there, you know, it became an easy pick
in their minds.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yeah, Ny, it's funny, and I guess there's irony here
that you look back on that draft and we're kind
of thinking about it in you know, hindsight being twenty
twenty as it being much easier as we see her
and talk about it right now to get whom he
really wanted to as a target at the top, that
it would be trying to put together something to find
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a guy for the future in for example, this Springs draft,
as it's starting to look very familiar once again, this
team's going to have to try to do.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
And that's the thing is that the twenty twenty two
season was such a disaster on every level, but the
one saving grace was supposed to be this brought you
that rare top five pick in a draft that had
some very talented quarterbacks at the time, and so that
was their time to get it right. And again, I
understand the idea of not trading a wide receiver to
go get a quarterback, and I understand liking multiple of
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those quarterbacks in that draft, but the reality is you
you have to really have a dedicated plan and go
after it for whichever one you're going to have. It
can't be once he gets here, we'll formulate the plan.
There needs to be more conviction when you're going to
go do that. You can't let the draft order spit
a quarterback out to you and then decide what you're
going to do with him. That's the opposite of what
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has worked with a lot of these quarterbacks that have
had success, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson. Those teams
made targeted trades up for that specific player with a
specific plan in place that already fit the coaches that
they had on staff, and this one.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Just they just didn't do that.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
They just assumed that he's got all the talent, he's
a good person, and we have a head coach, offensive
play designer who's made a lot of quarterbacks work, and
we think our roster is going to be good enough
around him. They just they kind of connected all these
dots without the central one of we drafted a kid
without a plan, and then we didn't really alter the
plan to him enough once he got here by starting
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him week one of his rookie year.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
That's what you would do with c J. Stroud.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
That's the way that they built it was to go
up and get c J. Stroud, put him in there
from week one, have him be this newfound leader that
a lost franchise really needed and be accurate and consistent
and drive day to day on this. And they could
have gone up and gotten him, and instead they saved
their picks, they saved wide receiver. They don't have the
quarterback to make it work, and that's why it all
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feels a little bit futile at the moment.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Nate Atkins is kind of not to join us on
the Andy More Automotive Group plotline, I think for the
final time with the Star, but hopefully again with wherever
he ends up next. So does it make sense to you?
Like it makes zero sense to me, And really there's
a shred because of the injury concerned. But on one hand,
you can't say he needs time, and then when the
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time is provided, as it's going to be on Saturday,
you can't set him. I mean, it's got to be
one one or the other here. And my point was
a little bit earlier. Are they more concerned about him
being one play away from being in there and him
being injured on Saturday afternoon, or more concerned about how
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he might look and if he does look good, that
being more of a conversation leading up to the start
of the regular season against Miami.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
I honestly don't think they've thought it that much about.
You know, if he goes out there and he makes
the decision look bad, I mean, it's it's a pretty
skeward decision no matter what.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Right now.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I mean, I guess if he went out there and
completed four passes out of twenty, you know, maybe maybe
there's a little bit of the fan base that goes, Okay,
he's really not ready. But they're they're going to be
up against it no matter what, because there's a fan
base that frankly is tired of the quarterback carousel, and
they spent two years giving their patients as Chris Ballard
has constantly asked them for and the reward was supposed
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to be hope, upside and development at this quarterback spot,
and they want to see it play out. Even I
think the calls for Anthony to start are less about
they believe that Anthony's good, that it's going to work.
It's just that this was the plan was to see
it through, whether it, you know, blew up in a
great way or it blew up in a bad way.
They were going to get their answer and if it
didn't work, you know, you'd move on and you'd find
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the next quarterback in the draft the way that you're
just supposed to do. And so that's why the fan
base is where it's at. And it's the phrase I
like to use with it is like the paying customers
of Lucas Rois Stadium are just asking for the rent
to be due and the tenants are refusing to pay
it when they've promised for two years that they're going
to pay it. So that's ultimately what I think it's about.
But I agree with you, it is hard to square
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this idea that Anthony needs reps, he needs to develop
as a backup. You have an opportunity on Saturday for
him to get reps in a way he will not
get all year when he's running the scout team, and
they're not going to do it because they're afraid that
he could get hurt and they even him as a backup.
That's where that's where the trust is going to further
dissipate with Anthony Richardson because he feels like, you're not
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really trying to develop me for any kind of long
term anything. You're keeping me around in case the quarterback
you now are in love with gets hurt and then
you'll throw me out there and say, well, I hope
you can do something for us, win this couple of
games so we can go back to Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
And that's just not a way to inspire him either.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
You think at all they would consider at some point.
I know he stopped short of it, but his agent
is not happy and standing up for his client. Certainly,
you think there's going to be a point when there
is a call for a trade from Richardson's side with
his representation.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yeah, I've not heard this directly from anyone from Anthony's camp,
but just looking at the situation and how this normally
goes and just the vibe I got talking Anthony the
other day, I expect that to happen. Now, Whitten, does
it happen? I can't quite say. I don't think it's
going to happen like right now. It may not happen
till the off season, but I think there will be
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a point where if if Daniel Jones is starting and stick,
I'm going to stick with him, He's going to look
around and think, you know, if if what I need
is either to play or if I do need this
time to develop and really be nurtured by somebody. He
needs a fresh start, he needs a new situation, new coaches,
new voice is here, new bully around him, and then
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a situation also where like the pressure and the scars
and the embarrassment aren't there. Because that's that's the hard
part is like I said, if he comes in for
an injury, it's still kind of an embarrassing situation.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
You lost your job twice.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
You're only in here because someone else is hurt, and
come be our backup.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
That's you know. If he goes somewhere.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Else, he's playing sort of a house money. The way
that Sam Darnold stepped in for JJ McCarthy last year,
and there was an expectation he wasn't held to the
draft status he had with the Jets or any of that.
But he was able to then earn the opportunity after
spending time with a coach who believed in him enough
to bring him in and develop him and put this
time in behind the scenes with him. So that's what
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I think Anthony's gonna need. But this is normally how
it goes, and all you have to do is look
back to last year Daniel Jones and the Giants gets
benched and he quickly says, release me, and he goes
to the Vikings. So if they're looking for example how
this might play out, they just have to look across
their quarterback room.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Nate quickly here before I'll let you go. If you
were a betting guy, would you bet that Richardson is
a part of this team until the end of the year.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I would say that's the most likely scenario. But I
think it would get really interesting if we get to October,
Daniel Jones has the job and Anthony Richardson's camp puts
out a trade request. If it becomes a public thing,
that's a lot of noise and distraction to have the
backup quarterback, and with teams never want is the backup
making any kind of noise, distraction, something to sift through,
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and uh, they that's what they do not want to
have happen. So that's gonna be their challenge is how
do you keep him engaged in the role that he's
in right.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Now and wanting to be here.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
And keeping keeping it on the tracks that way. It's
it's gonna be very fascinating. But I don't think they
don't want to. You know, Chris Dollard has dug in
on some of this. He didn't trade Jonathan Taylor, you know,
So I don't it's not what they want to do.
And obviously a lot of things have to come together
for the you know, an offer that they would get.
But teams are going to call them about it. They're
they're probably doing it right now because they did it
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last year when he got benched, and they're going to
call more when it gets close to the trade deadline
if he's sitting there in a backup role, and especially
all it takes is one injury somewhere else the team's
looking for someone to step in and play quarterbacks. So
this is going to get each week that passes in
the season that Anthony is not starting, that's it's going
to become more and more likely. But I think the
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likeliest scenario is he's here until next offseason and that's
what he finds a new.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Team got an outside choice to make this roster that
maybe we either haven't talked very much or even at
all about so far in camp. For the Colts coming
out of this weekend, well, they.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Do have an extra spot that I thought they were
going to have because of the Hunter Woller injury. Obviously
Justin Wally getting hurt has opened that too, So I
don't know if this is This is probably an outside
of the box because people can connect the dots on
all the other injuries. But Jovin Edwards is a guy
that I think is going to make it. The cornerback
undrafted player the right now. He could be their number
three outside corner behind Travarius Ward and Xavier Howard and
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Sam Walmack went down with a what looked like a
hamstring injury just the other day. They need they need
help there and and they're big fans of his potential.
They just really like his recovery speed and just the
lack of panic. He's shown out there for being an
undrafted rookie who has a lot to work on. But
you know, he hasn't looked overwhelmed by the situations and
all that, and they like his talent.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
So that's the one that I would throw out there.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Nate Adkins kind of enough to join us on the
Andy Moore Automotive Group potline. Final time with us for
the Star. But you will let us know here relatively
soon where you're going, and we shall track you down.
We'll keep your number handy.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Yep, sounds good.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Congratulations on the new gig too, by the.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Way, all right, thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Nate Adkins of the Star. He is on the Andy
Moore Automotive Group potline. He has a new job. It
is still undisclosed, Andy Moore Automotive Group potline. He's from
CBS four and Fox fifty nine actually probably now are
you gonna know? Ownership is also going to thirteen. So
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you talk about multimedia in Indianapolis, that's Mike Chappel who's
joining us. Now even more multimedia your platform not a
beach grove. Now that's a big deal.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
The more you can do, you know what I mean, I.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Think you're going to be on everything one of these days.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
If you're not careful, I won't be around that long.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Come on, now, don't say that.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Well, see, I don't know what. I don't know what.
I don't play golf. I don't know what i'd do.
I could go watch the grandkids play and do things more.
But you know, I like what I do. Yes, I
still do it well enough, and as long as I
can get around, where else can you find? Again? I
always go back to I'm one of those guys that
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fell into no I kind of chose this line early
in college, and I've been able to do this my
entire life, and I love it. How many people could
say one person the population can say they've done what
they've loved to does their entire working career.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
You know what's funny. I just mentioned this last night.
Somebody had asked and I responded with I was always
told that when you performed a job for a career
and it never felt like work, you have the best
job imaginable. And that's exactly how I feel that.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
I believe that, And when people come up to.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Me and say all you do is sit around jack
around for three hours, and my national response is yes,
I know that's true. And then you and then you
get the drink and you have me. Yeah, you know,
I'm just described as the drunk ride here and stuff.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
So yeah, yeah, there are worse things. There are worse things.
They could go you.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
I I want and I've always made a point of this.
I want to be known. I want to be where
the party is, meaning the party is with me, and
then everybody else follows. That's what I want to be
known above all else. All this other stuff is just
fancy window dressing. That's what I want to be known for.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
What is it bad about having a good time?
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Yes, it's not. It's great right right with all the people,
I can have a good time, Like my club is
all inclusive.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Why would you bring in haters? Why would you do that?
I wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Well, we got, we've got We've got to teach them.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
What song was it?
Speaker 1 (27:27):
This was kind of during your teach the children? Well
is that a Crosby Stills National young song? Yeah, that's
what I'm trying to teach the children.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Well, here, the children don't really care about what these
older folks I think. So it's finny the older, I
get to the less some of the younger people actually know.
And I used to be one of those younger people
that so that I knew everything and I knew nothing.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
My my fifteen year old daughter loves the Beatles, loves McCartney.
Is going to go see McCartney in Des Moines, Iowa,
coming up in October. And went to the state Fair
on Saturday night. You're gonna love this story, and had
front row tickets for the Beatles cover band and set
right next to Bill Benner. Really yes, well and he
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sat next to Bill Benner.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Yeah, see Bill, Bill's got the life. He's the same
with me. He found what he was good at, very
good at. He did it forever, and then he transitioned
a little bit to the to the pacer entertainment whatever,
and and now he's got his health for the most part,
and he can do whatever the heck he wants to do.
And good for him. That that that's that's why you
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work so hard, so long. And when it comes time,
dog got it. He'll go ski over in Colorado whatever,
and he'll go watch concerts. That that's why that's what
you do. But good for Bill, I I said, Bill's
one of those guys that I go back to with
the Star and we had great times and we had
a great product. We really did. People get tired of
hearing that we did, and there was there was one
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of the he and Robin they were the core. They
were the sun around which we all orbited. God, that
was fun.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Love Bill Benner too. The other thing I can be
in my job is incredibly judgmental, and it's my judgment
that Cam Turner should not be allowed to speak in
public again. What say you?
Speaker 4 (29:25):
You know I was busy doing sometimes. I haven't seen
a lot of that. I don't know what they can say.
Shane Sichin has tried to explain things. I don't know
what they can say to put a good spin on Benching.
There the number four pick from Dorney coins three twice
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in nine or ten months. We always said that if
if Anthony Richardson can't be that Daniel Jones, then there's
something wrong. And I at its core I think there's
something wrong.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Well there is, and I've said this Mike about the
whole situation. We were going to be critical about whatever
decision was made on this. But the thing that I
think has magnified and sometimes is lost in the shuffle
of all this debate is the fact that we're going
on year three and week one and the quarterback himself
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and those around him that selected him, that pounded their
fist on the table, that wanted him, can't get enough
out of him to deem him worthy to start again
week one and year three. That is such an operational
and organizational failure I can't even comprehend.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
I just see. That's why I totally understand Shane Staken's decision.
And I can argue stronger for this roster for this season,
and I can argue stronger for Daniel Jones, and some
people throw water on me, but I can that maybe
he isn't the best chance right now to do something,
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which is something is probably a wild card, maybe the division,
if Houston isn't any better than it has been. But
I always thought that they had to figure out what
the heck they've got with Anthony the Richardson, and the
only way to do that is to start him, and
then he either plays well, he gets hurt, or he's inefficient,
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and then you know, and this is not the way
you're going to know. And I just the possibility of
ending up at the end of the season with Daniel
Jones doing something being middle of the road whatever, I
don't know what you've accomplished. And again, maybe Daniel Jones
gets is inefficient, he gets hurt, and then Jones or
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then ar comes in and plays well and then everybody's
high on him. That's my only And again it's been
written by a lot of people, and I've touched on it,
not as course as other people, but they have mishandled this,
and they've said that they shouldn't shouldn't have started as
a rookie, but they've just mishandled having a twenty year
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old quarterback being the guy from the start. And it's
obvious that Richardson didn't fully comprehend what that meant. It
just was it's I always go back to, and I'm
not comparing quarterback the people. I'm comparing the situation where
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they draft Peyton Manning and they said you're going to
play from day one, and he did, and for the
first half of the season he was awful. He wasn't
very good. The light went on at mid season, like
in Frisco, and then he took off. But the whole
thing was let him play, let him learn and learn
from those takes. Now, the thing that has thrown a
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monkey innch and obviously was Richard and getting hurt and
whatever it was Week five or six, whatever it was
of his rookie year and doesn't play the rest of
the year, and he spends his whole off season after
that rehabbing. So he was robbed of a year of development.
A quarterback who needed reps in development was robbed of
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a year of that. So even if they had, even
if they had handled it better with giving him more
hands on direction as a rookie, if the injury happens,
you're still sort of in the same boat. But I
do I do think that they mishandled it by by
not giving him more. I don't know if the word structure,
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you know. What's always bothered me as much as the injuries,
I guess. But even more so is they benched him
two games last year. Would have been more, but Flaka
was playing so poorly. But they benched him two games
last year because he wasn't as detailed and prepared as
a deed to be. That's that's that's the biggest sin
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about a quarterback, as you're not ready. I'm trying to
hear the quarterback was for Bustalo, Billy, Joe Hobert or
somebody where he went in when the quarterback got hurt,
he had no clue what he was doing, and then
he admitted it. You had to be prepared. You have to.
I'm not saying the quarterback has to be the first
in the building and the last out, but he needs
to be the guy that that sort of sets the tone.
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And I just don't know that Richardson ever understood that
because he was twenty. I'm twenty years old, and you
give me thirty four million dollars, my attention is gonna
waiver a little bit. It shouldn't if you're if you're
the quarterback. But again, he was such an aberration that
thirteen career starts, and he was young, and he was
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coming to a team that was sort of unsettled, so
it was mishandled. Now where this goes from here, I'm
not at optimistic that he's got a future here. I'm not,
but I just would like I could have known September
October if he was and we're not going to see
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that barring you know, Jones not playing well, being injured
and he's been hurting in his career. So but see,
I'm looking longer term, and they're looking now that they're
looking after what's best for Quintin Nelson and the Forest
Buckner and Jonathan Taylor and in fifty some other players.
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That's what they're that's what they're interested in, and they
believe that Daniel Jones gives them a better chance to
win now, which is another indictment of Anthony Richardson. So
I was it was almost a no win situation. You're
right that however they done it. Had done it, there
would have been major pushback. I think, maybe not so
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much with Richardson because we all did polls on social
media and it was eighty ninety percent in favor of Richardson,
which you can't listen to that you can't. It's great conversation.
But here's where they are. And I'm not one of
those who believes that for a guy that they insist
in needed reps, reps, reps, needs to play and all
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of a sudden that maybe it's a good thing that
he that he's watching in from the sidelines on Saturday.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
By the way, too, on Saturday when you have time
to play on the insurance policy. Crap, Come on, get
out there and play. You can't preach how he needs
time and then when time's available not give it to him.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
I would probably set him down too, though, because I
don't want he's he's going to have to play this year.
He is, and I understand what you're saying, but if
he if he play on Saturday, he's playing against He's
playing with third stringers, second third stringers, and what can
you get out of that? Can you get him hurt?
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So I don't know the value of putting him out
there against the Bengals, who are going to play their
scrubs problem as well. But you're gonna have guys playing
on offense that are fighting for jobs. I don't know
that I would put him out there with that. I
don't know I would risk that because I'm not sure
what other than getting grips. You're not going to play
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your starting offensive line, you're not gonna play your receivers,
you're not gonna play Tyler Warren. I'd push back on that,
but you know, I again, I just I just don't
see how this works.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
But I'm looking at things different than than change sticking
and Chris Palmer.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
What would happen if you were to go out there
on Saturday and look really good, even if it was
against those trials, but then.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
Was able to liqu he's playing against we would you think? Well,
to me, that would be uh a no win situation.
If you look good, well, look who you're playing against.
Hen If you look bad, you're gonna think, my god,
you can't be efficient against.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
You can't.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
You can't preach again as he needs time, and then.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
It's a hard it's a hard stand, right. But you
know again, I don't agree with your decision. I fully
understand it. It's like in college. I took debate and
they would give you They would just give you a
topic and then you got to make stuff up and
argue it. I could argue either way. I could probably
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argue stronger for this team that Jones is the right one.
But I still I haven't changed my idea that Richardson
needs to be the guy and I he said all
the right things the other day, Richardson, did you know,
I don't I think he's what I you know, that
was their decision and I respect it. I just think
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somewhere deep down he had that little devil on his shoulder, saying, yeah,
these guys can take a running leap, but I hope
he handles it well. His time will come here. It
will because at some point either Jones is then can
you imagine if he goes out Jones and has a
bad game against Miami? Can you imagine reaction at the stadium?
Speaker 3 (39:09):
Good?
Speaker 1 (39:09):
How about the first incompletion?
Speaker 4 (39:11):
The first you know, I know that's what I'm saying. Yeah,
and that's that's not for to Jones, but but that's
you know, he's a big boy and he's getting paid
big money and so yeah, it's it's just a tough
situation and I hope itchesn't handles it well because his
time will come at some point this year. The more
important thing is what do they do next year? And
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we all tend to look more to the next year
because that's what we do, and these guys can't do that.
They have to do again. I've said one of the
worst things about not having your quarterbacks straight is that
Quentin Nelson's best years, most of his best years, and
Jonathan Taylor, the Forrest Buckner, Braden Smith. Your team's gotten
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older and these guys some of their better years are gone.
And that's that's the crime of not getting your quarterbacks straight.
And when Peyton, when Peyton hit it, when he really
got going in ninety nine, those players we I mean,
they were there and they grew together, and this just
hasn't been able to happen here because of the quarterback instability.
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And I don't see it change. What's gonna change. I mean,
at the end of this season, they're not gonna know.
They probably aren't gonna know what they've got. Daniel Jones
will be a free agent. You know, there's a chance
that Richardson doesn't play much and you benched him again
for crying out loud. So you're gonna draft a guy
in the top ten or twelve. I don't think he
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isn't going to be bad enough record. I really don't
think they'll be bad if record wise to beat top
five taking your quarterback and it's supposed to be a
quarterback rich draft and then here you go again. So
it's two more years for the fan base, which is
already frustrated and impatient. Hey we're gonna be okay, we
got we got our quarterback of the future. Maybe, well
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that takes time. It just takes it. It took Peyton,
but his well, it was a second year because they
had that really big jump with that Duram coming in
and all that. But rebuilds take time. It just takes time.
And I just don't know if this fan base is
really ready for a two or even three year rebuild.
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But if this doesn't work, and I'm not sure how
it works because of what we've talked about, the fan
base is going to be totally impatient.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
Hey, Mike, remember you and I had this conversation, and
I'm sure it all runs together at this point, but
we go back to the end of last year, and
I said to you, if Richardson doesn't start and you know,
get that shot of belief in year three, then why
are all these guys around? And that's the first thing
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I thought of, Why are all these guys around? And
I thought that you even made more of that point
just now by saying, all right, if this doesn't work
this year, here we go again, back in to rebuild
and reboot mode. And all you're doing is delaying the inevitable.
And that's exactly how it feels right now.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
And I can't push back on that. And and my
whole question will be if if and when Carly and
her sisters decide to tear this down to the studs.
How many studs you're going to keep? If you look
at thatt roster and said, Okay, we're changing coach, we're
changing head general manager, and we're changing quarterbacks, how many
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how can you name ten players that you say these
are keepers? I don't know, you know, Jonathan Taylor, maybe
he's a running back, and you replace those guys Quinton Yes,
uh In lat too, Yes, and the corners in the
corner in the safety just paid yes. But there's not
a ton of guys, you know, obviously Tyler Warren. I
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could probably name ten guys maybe that they will say,
these are guys we've built around. That's what I'm saying.
When you push the reset button, it's not going to
be a tweak. It's not going to be well, we
you know, a little bit of lipstick here and some
rouge here.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
No.
Speaker 4 (43:09):
No, it's going to be a face lift, and a
major one where you may not recognize the person who
started who was the person for the facelift. So yeah,
I hope it works out because I like the people
we're working with, which is no way to judge anything.
The fact we get along well and all this this
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is a big business and tough decisions we made. I
just I'm very anxious about what's going to happen here
because I just don't know how this thing works out.
I really don't.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Two things before I let you go. One is you've
got a timetable on when we are going to get
a trade request from Richard Sif's representation. And if you
were a betting person, would do you think he's going
to get his chance? Do you think he's going to
be with this team for the remainder of the season,
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all the way through, if you're a betting guy, do
you believe him to still be here?
Speaker 3 (44:10):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (44:11):
Yeah, I'm not. Let's say you get a fifth round
pick for him. Let's just say that I'm not a
big I'm not a big fan of third day draft picks.
I just I'm just not I maybe get more for
him in the offseason, or maybe just jutty, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
No.
Speaker 4 (44:29):
I from having talked to Chris Boward enough and even
even Shane, they do think there's something there. They and
unless they're just completely blowing smoke, they think he does
if he needs to continue to improve and dog Gunny
he's twenty three. He's twenty three, has got a men's talent.
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Will he ever be a great quarterback? I don't know,
but I don't think they're ready to give up on
him now. If the agent gets kind of pissy and
does Jonathan tavor agent type stuff, I don't know. I
you can't let an agent dictate what you're doing. I
hope that's not the case of Steven had a good story,
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Stephen Holder had a good story on that, and the
agent said what he said, and I understand it. I'm
not sure how anything the originalisan does trust the people
making the calls now, because you know, I think he
believes he did make improvements in the off season and
he worked on it, and he thinks he had He
thinks he did what he needed to do, and they
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said he had not enough. You know, go go sit
and watch. So I can understand how even though he said,
you know, he believes him because he believes what they're
telling him. I wonder how strong that belief is. But I,
if I'm a betting man, he's here all year, next year,
I would bet this year, yes, next year, No, Hey.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
In closing here and you may not have an answer
for this. We really haven't even approached the subject before
because he just kind of poof and disappeared. But does
anybody view because people have mentioned this to me, and
I thought I would ask you, does anybody view Morocco
Brown as kind of a fall guy regarding you know,
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the early stages of vetting and then going really hard
after Anthony Richardson because I Steiken apparently agreed thoroughly with it,
and Chris Ballad agreed thoroughly with it, and I'd heard
that some over there were not on board with that decision.
Who knows what's right and what's wrong. But you know,
then all of a sudden, poove, Morocco Brown is gone.
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Was he somewhat a fall guy there? Or is there
something else happening that we.
Speaker 4 (46:42):
Don't I would like, I would hope there was something else.
And I don't know the background there. I've heard a
few things, but not enough to put out there. Yeah,
scouts do. And he was high up to scouts change.
He was don't remember his title, but he was high up,
you know, director of whatever else, college scouting, whatever it was.
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And it's those guys' jobs to deliver, deliver players and evaluations,
and then it's on Chris Ballard and Ed Dodds and
shange Sdyken to say yes no, And you know, I
understand what you see. We don't see it. I don't
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know that it was unanimous to go after Richardson as
hard as they did, but I.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
Think it was.
Speaker 4 (47:29):
I think it was eighty twenty ninety ten in favor
of it.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
So they.
Speaker 4 (47:35):
Now their options were limited when Young and Stroud were gone,
and I don't know how much of an opportunity, if any,
they had to go to up to one and not
probably not to two at all. Was Houston to get
the guy. Maybe they really wanted if it was Stroud.
I don't know, but I was this was this was
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a strong team decision to get I'm sure Jim irsay.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
He had said that if it were they had the
number one pick, they would have drafted Richardson, did he not?
Speaker 4 (48:08):
Yeah, but you say you say that.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
Yeah, exactly know. I just I had heard that Dodds
was not on board with it, but.
Speaker 4 (48:16):
And that maybe but that that's but that that's me.
That's a good thing. It's good not to have everybody,
you know, Hey, yeah, you're right, you're right, it's good
to have pushed back. And then it's then it's on
Chris Ballad and and and change taken. I mean, he
had to think, boy, look what I can do with
this guy if if we can get him to grow
And it's obvious that he hasn't that Richards hasn't grown
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enough or in the right areas for whatever reason injuries
or or or he's just not capable of whatever.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (48:45):
But this was This wasn't as one hundred percent as
Peyton Manning was, but they were or Andrew luck of course,
but they were with what they were it for that
this was their guy. And if Chris Ballad or Chrishane
Psychin didn't believe Morocco Brown's evaluations, then you don't do
you say, okay, yeah, I understand, yeah, we don't like that,
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then you don't draft him. So I would I would
hate that that gets out there that well, we've got
to get rid of somebody because of this. What if
they what if they fire Morocco like they did, and
then Richson's guy and he and he and he goes
eleven and six this year as a starter. So I
think there was more to it than that. But uh uh, yeah,
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they they they were. This is this is the one
where you you get Carson Winster because Frank likes Sei
when it blows up, and then you get Matt Ryan
because well, maybe you've got a couple more years. Then
they're sort of all on board and that blows up.
I think this is the one where they were they
were not unanimous, but enough in favor of Richardson that
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they did it and didn't look back at the time.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
Mike Chapel of CBS four and Fox fifty nine and
maybe added another one here then so distant future from Beechgrove,
Indiana and Mike next Thursday, I'll try my damnes not
to be drunk.
Speaker 4 (50:07):
Well, there you go.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
Today, this is great.
Speaker 4 (50:10):
We finally got a break into weather. I'm sitting on
my front or yeah, I'm not being attacked by squirrels,
so it's it's a great day.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
You got it, buddy. Thanks Mike. Next week we'll do
it again.
Speaker 4 (50:19):
See you later.
Nate Atkins are the star. Explain yourself, sir, what in
the hell what's happening?
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm sorry, man, I you know, preseason comes sometimes and
sometimes you get traded something.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
You've just had enough, haven't you?
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Have?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
You just had enough? Is that what it's all about?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Of this whole Si, I knew how I knew I
would come off when I announced today and everyone's like,
rinse and repeat. You're tapping out after the latest quarterback change.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Another quarterback situation. I gotta go on this clown at
three o'clock in the afternoon and his dog crap show.
I'm done with this. That's what plays a role.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Now I'm gonna I'm gonna miss you, miss you, John.
But yeah, just heading off to a new opportunity. So
my final game we'll get we'll be seeing the the
threes and fours against the Bengals on Saturday.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Are you going to be doing the same thing or
something different, Nate?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Something similar. I've got to hold off on sharing the
details until I'm at the new place. But I will
be still in the NFL realm and still you know,
writing and on shows like this.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Oh wow, So yeah, we're not going to lose a
guest or anything. Right here, you're saying exactly, we like that,
like that a great deal. That's Nate Adkins of The Star,
at least for the time being, joining us on the
Andy Moore Automotive Group hootline. We'll get to preseason Game
three in Cincinnati on Saturday coming up in a minute,
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and the whole Anthony Richardson thing. But unless you made
a great point in your latest article, you know, blaming
everybody why, I think we've stroked this up with a
broad brush, without question, but rarely has anybody talked about
the quarterbacks coach Cam Turner. And then Cam Turner had
a very unfortunate Q and a yesterday too, and one
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that also even more unfortunate was caught on tape that
actually heard the audio of I've done all I can do,
And even though I think we all understand he didn't
mean that, that is absolutely positively something you can.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yeah, I think he was a little caught off guard.
I mean I was. I was asking him pretty.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Pretty directly because I feel like, you know, as we've
gone through this for years, we hear so much from
Shane Stikeen and Chris Ballard and Anthony Richardson and Jim
Bob Cooter, and we don't hear as much from the
guy who works with all the behind the scenes stuff.
That we're hearing constantly is you know, the reasons that
have held Anthony Richardson back. And so I just feel
like as those guys have been kind of dragged through
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the mud and deservedly, so they all deserve blame for
where we're at. You know, I just thought Cam Turner
it was time for him to answer a little bit
about that, and so I just wanted to put it
out there straight and see I would handle it and said,
you know, do you feel like you failed Anthony?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Did he fail you? Or did you fail each other?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Because when you get to if I'd ask him when
they drafted Anthony, if we get into year three and
you're benching for a second time, would you call it
a success or of failure? They all would have said
failure and they would have laughed at the idea of that.
But that's where we are. And so that's when he said,
you know, I've on all I can do, and then
he quickly goes and Anthony's giving great effort too, realizing
that it didn't come out the best way to say
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it that way, but it does show you that, and
I think it's true. I think he has tried all
he can try, and so what's the balance between if
you have a quarterback that it just doesn't click with
on any level? Versus are you doing all you can
do because there's a limited amount you can actually do.
That's sort of the chick or the argument here, and
it's it's probably a mix of both. But clearly it
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has not gone like they planned on it.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yeah, it is not it. Adkins are the stars on
the Andymore Hunter motive group potline. We don't live in
this world. But to me, it would have been better
and probably been more appreciated by the fan base had
he said I feel like I've tried all I can do.
He's just not very good. And that's that, I mean, seriously,
other than said backing that up with he's giving great effort,
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because then everybody goes, oh, okay, so is it your problem?
Is it the coaching staffs problem? Is it Richardson's problem?
So it's everybody's problem right here. It just it really
just falls in line with everything else that we we've
had to witness here in recent history. But Yeah, that
was unfortunate because that's something you know, you cannot say.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yeah, well, the thing is from Cam Turner's perspective that
that might be where he's at, where he's like, he
didn't pick Anthony Richardson. He didn't have the power to
do it, and so maybe you know, within his role
he does feel like, hey, I've I've done things I
need to do. He just didn't click. That just doesn't
work for the people above him, Chris Ballard and Shane Styken,
who drafted Anthony Richardson. Shane Stiken hounded the freaking table
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to get this guy way more than any other quarterback.
He wanted Anthony Richardson, and so they also decided to
start him, you know, week one of his rookie year,
after one quarter of a preseason game, because they were
that convinced that he was ready to at least put
on the field. And that's been the hardest part to
figure out this week is that you know, what we're
hearing right now is Daniel Jones won the job because
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of operation of the offense, pre snap, hadence, all that
kind of stuff. That is important, But how was Anthony
Richardson good enough to do that? Off zero career NFL
starts at the age of twenty one and twenty twenty
three for his week one start. But he's not ready
in week one of his thirties and now that he's
twenty two years old, how how did he get worse
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at that over two years? And that's that's the million
dollar question that we're not getting answers to well.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
And that plays off of what Cam Turner said. And
although he hasn't been around for the full ride here,
it would beg the question. You go into to year
number three in week number one and the guy that
pounded his fist on the table on the general manager
that did it, and the organization. Not everybody wanted him,
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mind you, but organizationally when they decided to pick richardson
number four, you can't even get him ready enough to
start in week one of his third year and beat
out a guy that's twenty games under five hundred after
six seasons. That's brutal.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah, it's rough.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
So like either they made a bad pick or they
have had bad development. But it's one of those two.
Those are the only two options that doesn't resolve Anthony.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Either.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
It's totally possible, if not very likely, that he there's
a lot of things he could have done differently, should
have done differently. But I'm telling you haven't gone down
to Gainesville twice that summer once to spend time with
Anthony Richson that his pro day wants to really get
to know everybody in his life. What was very clear
to me was the you know, the talent was through
the roof. Of course, as we know, I thought he
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was a good kid who came from a lot of
difficult circumstances both in his life and just the football
structure that he never had. He never went to these
quarterback camps, you know, he went to a local high
school that was rebuilding down the road. He went to
Florida when they were mired between two coaching staffs and
a lot of cultural problems and no real quarterback training
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there there. You know, I gave him grace for that.
But the thing that was so obvious within all of
that is this guy hasn't even had the first thought
about football as a job, what it means to be
the face of a franchise, what it means to be
a leader for your teammates and all eyes on you
type stuff. He had not even thought about that and
so if you're going to take a gamble on a
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player with that kind of talent, you need to do
it on the understanding of, Okay, we have to teach
him all these things that he's never known, and I
just don't think they were at all understanding of the
fact that he didn't know that. And it always stood
out to me that at that pro day, they only
had one member of the entire franchise at Anthony Richardson's
pro day before they made him the number four pick
in the draft, and that was Morocco Brown, who was
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there because he was in the area. And Morocco Brown
is the only other member of the franchise who was
pounding the table as much for Anthony richard as Shane Steichen.
So that event only served as confirmation bias to a
guy that was already, you know, full bloom in love
with Anthony Richardson. There just wasn't any any scrutinizing eye
or anyone there to learn new things, I don't think.
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And Morocco Brown is no longer with the franchise, So
there's not a single person in this building other than
me who is down there at his pro day before
they made him the number four pick in the draft,
where I think everything we're seeing now is what you
would have seen that day too.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
I've never brought this up before because frankly, there's a
lot of other stuff going on. But why is Morocco
Brown no longer with the franchise? Are you there, Nate?
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Yeah, I'm here, Sorry about that.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
That's okay. Do you know why he's no longer with
the franchise other than are you there, Nate.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Morocco Brown? I don't know all the specifics with it.
It just sort of became a It just kind of
became a for extra enough relationship by the end that
they wanted to move on.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
But I don't.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
I mean, it was one of the first warning signs
to me that Anthony Richmon has lost his last big
time believe because again, the other one was Shane Stike,
and Shane lost his trust with Anthony with that Texans
game last year. Everything goes back to the second Texans
game and it was a mix of a bunch of things.
It was a tap out, it was going ten to
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thirty two. It was a pick six before halftime where
he didn't do the audible that Shane was hoping he
would do. And it was him after the game, you know,
talking about the fact that he was tired, but he
also thinks he's a great passer. Like these are all Anthony.
Anthony's faults. He deserves blame for all of them. But
I think it was such such a moment that Shane
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got to where he thinks, I need a certain kind
of quarterback and this isn't it. And everything he's said
since then is what he's saying now about operations, the
line now, completion percentage is what matters, consistency, all this
stuff that goes against the guy that they drafted that
I think he just is wired to a certain football
otests level that I don't think he can even comprehend
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a quarterback who doesn't come in putting in eighteen hours
a day in the facility, that doesn't already know everything
about cover one, cover two, flitz pick up. It's a
lot of stuff Anthony needs to learn that I think
Shane just assumed he either knew or just by getting
reps and being on the field, it would become so
intrinsic because the guys he's been around had that already
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in Philip Rivers, Justin Herbert and Jalen Hurts. But those
other two who were even young quarterbacks, played a lot
of college ball, big time programs. They had this coaching,
they had this infrastructure, the offseason work, they had all
this stuff to build that. I just don't think the
Colts put much of any thought into building that until
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it was too late. It was late in his second
season benchim after the Texans game, and now they're going
to try and teach him all this while he is
losing trust in them because they've lost trust in him,
and it's been a fractured relationship ever since that second
Texans wler.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Well, and you mentioned fractured relationship. This is Nate Adkins
on the Andy Moore Automotive Group hotline too, joining us
that people had always had mentioned to me in passing
that maybe Morocco was playing the role, a bit of
a role of a fall guy. And then people always
ask me about you know, just Chris Ballad's always big
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on gauging the room, gauging everybody, and you know he
always tells you guys and pressers that he loves to
have his guys give him pushback because you can't be
unanimous on every single decision made. Are you aware of
how that room ultimately went when that draft came around
and they were going to decide to take Anthony Richardson,
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where their objectors in there? Because I'd always heard that
Ed Dodds maybe was in that room and was not
a big fan. But he's the only name that's ever
popped up. Have you ever heard just how unanimous or
lack thereof that room was on going with him in
the first place.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, so I know that, like I mentioned Shane Stike
in Morocco Brown, they were head over heels in love
with Anthony Richardson. I know Jim Mersey was a big
fan of him. He was also a fan of Lil Levis.
I know that they liked they like CJ. Stroud quite
a bit as well. And really, if you think about it,
everything they said heading into that draft, everything they say now.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
They're describing c J. Stroud.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
And what happened was they started with the combine workout
when Anthony Richmond posted the best combine any quarterback has
ever posted. And then it was the reports from Morocco
Brown day to day at practice of the kind of
crazy things this kid could do on the field. And
then when they spent they did spend a day with
him in Florida and to get to know him, and
and anyone who spends time with Anthony just on a
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personal level, you do like the kid. He's a very
bright personality. He likes everyone he's around, like it's easy
to just kind of hang out with him and just
like him on.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
A personal level.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
So they connect some dots that, hey, we like the
person and he has amazing talent, and we have this
coach and Shane Saikin that they believe and I think
rightly at the time, can make any quarterback work, which
is true. Stylistically, he's worked at Jalen Hurts, the mobile quarterback.
He's worked with Philip Rivers, you know, kind of a
statue pocket quarterback. So they just kind of made these
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assumptions and connected those dots. But I don't think they
really scrutinized the kind of football knowledge in the day
to day wiring of this kid. And what they ended
up messing up was, you know, giving him a job
so early. If you're going to draft him number four,
not because of any results, but because of potential, then
you're going to give him his first job based on potential.
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You know, you end up giving a kid, you know,
rewards that he has not earned, and so I just
I don't I don't think they were able to build
it that way. But as far as the room goes,
you know, they they light a few different quarterbacks in there,
and that's why they were not convicted enough to trade.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Up to number one, where they could have gotten c. J. Stroud.
And I don't think it would have been that hard.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
They would have had to, you know, give up some
good draft capital, and they would have had to probably
give up Michael Pittman Jr. Because the Panthers really wanted that.
But it was pretty well known that the Texans were
They were so torn between Bryce Young and Willie Anderson Junior.
They wanted both of them. And so if they had
made it known we're coming up, but it's only for CJ. Shroud,
I think the Texans would have been happy with that
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at the time. And I think that would have made
a lot of sense for the Panthers to only drop
back from one to four or the Bears from one
to four. The Panthers were the ones that we're going
to have to way leap frog that. But but what
my understanding was the Colts did not make much of
an effort to trade to number one. They were happy
to sit their number four. They felt good enough about
the quarterback options, they had enough believers in them in
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the room, and then just the belief that Shane Sichen
would make any of them work. That's ultimately what drove
their decision to sit it for And then Anthony was
Shane's favorite by far in that draft, and so when
he was there, you know, it became an easy pick
in their minds.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yeah, Ny, it's funny, and I guess there's irony here
that you look back on that draft and we're kind
of thinking about it in you know, hindsight being twenty
twenty as it being much easier as we see her
and talk about it right now to get whom he
really wanted to as a target at the top, that
it would be trying to put together something to find
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a guy for the future in for example, this Springs draft,
as it's starting to look very familiar once again, this
team's going to have to try to do.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
And that's the thing is that the twenty twenty two
season was such a disaster on every level, but the
one saving grace was supposed to be this brought you
that rare top five pick in a draft that had
some very talented quarterbacks at the time, and so that
was their time to get it right. And again, I
understand the idea of not trading a wide receiver to
go get a quarterback, and I understand liking multiple of
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those quarterbacks in that draft, but the reality is you
you have to really have a dedicated plan and go
after it for whichever one you're going to have. It
can't be once he gets here, we'll formulate the plan.
There needs to be more conviction when you're going to
go do that. You can't let the draft order spit
a quarterback out to you and then decide what you're
going to do with him. That's the opposite of what
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has worked with a lot of these quarterbacks that have
had success, Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson. Those teams
made targeted trades up for that specific player with a
specific plan in place that already fit the coaches that
they had on staff, and this one.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Just they just didn't do that.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
They just assumed that he's got all the talent, he's
a good person, and we have a head coach, offensive
play designer who's made a lot of quarterbacks work, and
we think our roster is going to be good enough
around him. They just they kind of connected all these
dots without the central one of we drafted a kid
without a plan, and then we didn't really alter the
plan to him enough once he got here by starting
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him week one of his rookie year.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
That's what you would do with c J. Stroud.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
That's the way that they built it was to go
up and get c J. Stroud, put him in there
from week one, have him be this newfound leader that
a lost franchise really needed and be accurate and consistent
and drive day to day on this. And they could
have gone up and gotten him, and instead they saved
their picks, they saved wide receiver. They don't have the
quarterback to make it work, and that's why it all
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feels a little bit futile at the moment.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Nate Atkins is kind of not to join us on
the Andy More Automotive Group plotline, I think for the
final time with the Star, but hopefully again with wherever
he ends up next. So does it make sense to you?
Like it makes zero sense to me, And really there's
a shred because of the injury concerned. But on one hand,
you can't say he needs time, and then when the
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time is provided, as it's going to be on Saturday,
you can't set him. I mean, it's got to be
one one or the other here. And my point was
a little bit earlier. Are they more concerned about him
being one play away from being in there and him
being injured on Saturday afternoon, or more concerned about how
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he might look and if he does look good, that
being more of a conversation leading up to the start
of the regular season against Miami.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
I honestly don't think they've thought it that much about.
You know, if he goes out there and he makes
the decision look bad, I mean, it's it's a pretty
skeward decision no matter what.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Right now.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I mean, I guess if he went out there and
completed four passes out of twenty, you know, maybe maybe
there's a little bit of the fan base that goes, Okay,
he's really not ready. But they're they're going to be
up against it no matter what, because there's a fan
base that frankly is tired of the quarterback carousel, and
they spent two years giving their patients as Chris Ballard
has constantly asked them for and the reward was supposed
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to be hope, upside and development at this quarterback spot,
and they want to see it play out. Even I
think the calls for Anthony to start are less about
they believe that Anthony's good, that it's going to work.
It's just that this was the plan was to see
it through, whether it, you know, blew up in a
great way or it blew up in a bad way.
They were going to get their answer and if it
didn't work, you know, you'd move on and you'd find
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the next quarterback in the draft the way that you're
just supposed to do. And so that's why the fan
base is where it's at. And it's the phrase I
like to use with it is like the paying customers
of Lucas Rois Stadium are just asking for the rent
to be due and the tenants are refusing to pay
it when they've promised for two years that they're going
to pay it. So that's ultimately what I think it's about.
But I agree with you, it is hard to square
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this idea that Anthony needs reps, he needs to develop
as a backup. You have an opportunity on Saturday for
him to get reps in a way he will not
get all year when he's running the scout team, and
they're not going to do it because they're afraid that
he could get hurt and they even him as a backup.
That's where that's where the trust is going to further
dissipate with Anthony Richardson because he feels like, you're not
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really trying to develop me for any kind of long
term anything. You're keeping me around in case the quarterback
you now are in love with gets hurt and then
you'll throw me out there and say, well, I hope
you can do something for us, win this couple of
games so we can go back to Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
And that's just not a way to inspire him either.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
You think at all they would consider at some point.
I know he stopped short of it, but his agent
is not happy and standing up for his client. Certainly,
you think there's going to be a point when there
is a call for a trade from Richardson's side with
his representation.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yeah, I've not heard this directly from anyone from Anthony's camp,
but just looking at the situation and how this normally
goes and just the vibe I got talking Anthony the
other day, I expect that to happen. Now, Whitten, does
it happen? I can't quite say. I don't think it's
going to happen like right now. It may not happen
till the off season, but I think there will be
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a point where if if Daniel Jones is starting and stick,
I'm going to stick with him, He's going to look
around and think, you know, if if what I need
is either to play or if I do need this
time to develop and really be nurtured by somebody. He
needs a fresh start, he needs a new situation, new coaches,
new voice is here, new bully around him, and then
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a situation also where like the pressure and the scars
and the embarrassment aren't there. Because that's that's the hard
part is like I said, if he comes in for
an injury, it's still kind of an embarrassing situation.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
You lost your job twice.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
You're only in here because someone else is hurt, and
come be our backup.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
That's you know. If he goes somewhere.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Else, he's playing sort of a house money. The way
that Sam Darnold stepped in for JJ McCarthy last year,
and there was an expectation he wasn't held to the
draft status he had with the Jets or any of that.
But he was able to then earn the opportunity after
spending time with a coach who believed in him enough
to bring him in and develop him and put this
time in behind the scenes with him. So that's what
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I think Anthony's gonna need. But this is normally how
it goes, and all you have to do is look
back to last year Daniel Jones and the Giants gets
benched and he quickly says, release me, and he goes
to the Vikings. So if they're looking for example how
this might play out, they just have to look across
their quarterback room.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Nate quickly here before I'll let you go. If you
were a betting guy, would you bet that Richardson is
a part of this team until the end of the year.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I would say that's the most likely scenario. But I
think it would get really interesting if we get to October,
Daniel Jones has the job and Anthony Richardson's camp puts
out a trade request. If it becomes a public thing,
that's a lot of noise and distraction to have the
backup quarterback, and with teams never want is the backup
making any kind of noise, distraction, something to sift through,
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and uh, they that's what they do not want to
have happen. So that's gonna be their challenge is how
do you keep him engaged in the role that he's
in right.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Now and wanting to be here.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
And keeping keeping it on the tracks that way. It's
it's gonna be very fascinating. But I don't think they
don't want to. You know, Chris Dollard has dug in
on some of this. He didn't trade Jonathan Taylor, you know,
So I don't it's not what they want to do.
And obviously a lot of things have to come together
for the you know, an offer that they would get.
But teams are going to call them about it. They're
they're probably doing it right now because they did it
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last year when he got benched, and they're going to
call more when it gets close to the trade deadline
if he's sitting there in a backup role, and especially
all it takes is one injury somewhere else the team's
looking for someone to step in and play quarterbacks. So
this is going to get each week that passes in
the season that Anthony is not starting, that's it's going
to become more and more likely. But I think the
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likeliest scenario is he's here until next offseason and that's
what he finds a new.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Team got an outside choice to make this roster that
maybe we either haven't talked very much or even at
all about so far in camp. For the Colts coming
out of this weekend, well, they.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Do have an extra spot that I thought they were
going to have because of the Hunter Woller injury. Obviously
Justin Wally getting hurt has opened that too, So I
don't know if this is This is probably an outside
of the box because people can connect the dots on
all the other injuries. But Jovin Edwards is a guy
that I think is going to make it. The cornerback
undrafted player the right now. He could be their number
three outside corner behind Travarius Ward and Xavier Howard and
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Sam Walmack went down with a what looked like a
hamstring injury just the other day. They need they need
help there and and they're big fans of his potential.
They just really like his recovery speed and just the
lack of panic. He's shown out there for being an
undrafted rookie who has a lot to work on. But
you know, he hasn't looked overwhelmed by the situations and
all that, and they like his talent.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
So that's the one that I would throw out there.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Nate Adkins kind of enough to join us on the
Andy Moore Automotive Group potline. Final time with us for
the Star. But you will let us know here relatively
soon where you're going, and we shall track you down.
We'll keep your number handy.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Yep, sounds good.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Congratulations on the new gig too, by the.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Way, all right, thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Nate Adkins of the Star. He is on the Andy
Moore Automotive Group potline. He has a new job. It
is still undisclosed, Andy Moore Automotive Group potline. He's from
CBS four and Fox fifty nine actually probably now are
you gonna know? Ownership is also going to thirteen. So
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you talk about multimedia in Indianapolis, that's Mike Chappel who's
joining us. Now even more multimedia your platform not a
beach grove. Now that's a big deal.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
The more you can do, you know what I mean, I.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Think you're going to be on everything one of these days.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
If you're not careful, I won't be around that long.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Come on, now, don't say that.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Well, see, I don't know what. I don't know what.
I don't play golf. I don't know what i'd do.
I could go watch the grandkids play and do things more.
But you know, I like what I do. Yes, I
still do it well enough, and as long as I
can get around, where else can you find? Again? I
always go back to I'm one of those guys that
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fell into no I kind of chose this line early
in college, and I've been able to do this my
entire life, and I love it. How many people could
say one person the population can say they've done what
they've loved to does their entire working career.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
You know what's funny. I just mentioned this last night.
Somebody had asked and I responded with I was always
told that when you performed a job for a career
and it never felt like work, you have the best
job imaginable. And that's exactly how I feel that.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
I believe that, And when people come up to.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Me and say all you do is sit around jack
around for three hours, and my national response is yes,
I know that's true. And then you and then you
get the drink and you have me. Yeah, you know,
I'm just described as the drunk ride here and stuff.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
So yeah, yeah, there are worse things. There are worse things.
They could go you.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
I I want and I've always made a point of this.
I want to be known. I want to be where
the party is, meaning the party is with me, and
then everybody else follows. That's what I want to be
known above all else. All this other stuff is just
fancy window dressing. That's what I want to be known for.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
What is it bad about having a good time?
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Yes, it's not. It's great right right with all the people,
I can have a good time, Like my club is
all inclusive.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Why would you bring in haters? Why would you do that?
I wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Well, we got, we've got We've got to teach them.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
What song was it?
Speaker 1 (27:27):
This was kind of during your teach the children? Well
is that a Crosby Stills National young song? Yeah, that's
what I'm trying to teach the children.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Well, here, the children don't really care about what these
older folks I think. So it's finny the older, I
get to the less some of the younger people actually know.
And I used to be one of those younger people
that so that I knew everything and I knew nothing.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
My my fifteen year old daughter loves the Beatles, loves McCartney.
Is going to go see McCartney in Des Moines, Iowa,
coming up in October. And went to the state Fair
on Saturday night. You're gonna love this story, and had
front row tickets for the Beatles cover band and set
right next to Bill Benner. Really yes, well and he
(28:16):
sat next to Bill Benner.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Yeah, see Bill, Bill's got the life. He's the same
with me. He found what he was good at, very
good at. He did it forever, and then he transitioned
a little bit to the to the pacer entertainment whatever,
and and now he's got his health for the most part,
and he can do whatever the heck he wants to do.
And good for him. That that that's that's why you
(28:40):
work so hard, so long. And when it comes time,
dog got it. He'll go ski over in Colorado whatever,
and he'll go watch concerts. That that's why that's what
you do. But good for Bill, I I said, Bill's
one of those guys that I go back to with
the Star and we had great times and we had
a great product. We really did. People get tired of
hearing that we did, and there was there was one
(29:03):
of the he and Robin they were the core. They
were the sun around which we all orbited. God, that
was fun.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Love Bill Benner too. The other thing I can be
in my job is incredibly judgmental, and it's my judgment
that Cam Turner should not be allowed to speak in
public again. What say you?
Speaker 4 (29:25):
You know I was busy doing sometimes. I haven't seen
a lot of that. I don't know what they can say.
Shane Sichin has tried to explain things. I don't know
what they can say to put a good spin on Benching.
There the number four pick from Dorney coins three twice
(29:45):
in nine or ten months. We always said that if
if Anthony Richardson can't be that Daniel Jones, then there's
something wrong. And I at its core I think there's
something wrong.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Well there is, and I've said this Mike about the
whole situation. We were going to be critical about whatever
decision was made on this. But the thing that I
think has magnified and sometimes is lost in the shuffle
of all this debate is the fact that we're going
on year three and week one and the quarterback himself
(30:27):
and those around him that selected him, that pounded their
fist on the table, that wanted him, can't get enough
out of him to deem him worthy to start again
week one and year three. That is such an operational
and organizational failure I can't even comprehend.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
I just see. That's why I totally understand Shane Staken's decision.
And I can argue stronger for this roster for this season,
and I can argue stronger for Daniel Jones, and some
people throw water on me, but I can that maybe
he isn't the best chance right now to do something,
(31:11):
which is something is probably a wild card, maybe the division,
if Houston isn't any better than it has been. But
I always thought that they had to figure out what
the heck they've got with Anthony the Richardson, and the
only way to do that is to start him, and
then he either plays well, he gets hurt, or he's inefficient,
(31:31):
and then you know, and this is not the way
you're going to know. And I just the possibility of
ending up at the end of the season with Daniel
Jones doing something being middle of the road whatever, I
don't know what you've accomplished. And again, maybe Daniel Jones
gets is inefficient, he gets hurt, and then Jones or
(31:54):
then ar comes in and plays well and then everybody's
high on him. That's my only And again it's been
written by a lot of people, and I've touched on it,
not as course as other people, but they have mishandled this,
and they've said that they shouldn't shouldn't have started as
a rookie, but they've just mishandled having a twenty year
(32:17):
old quarterback being the guy from the start. And it's
obvious that Richardson didn't fully comprehend what that meant. It
just was it's I always go back to, and I'm
not comparing quarterback the people. I'm comparing the situation where
(32:37):
they draft Peyton Manning and they said you're going to
play from day one, and he did, and for the
first half of the season he was awful. He wasn't
very good. The light went on at mid season, like
in Frisco, and then he took off. But the whole
thing was let him play, let him learn and learn
from those takes. Now, the thing that has thrown a
(32:58):
monkey innch and obviously was Richard and getting hurt and
whatever it was Week five or six, whatever it was
of his rookie year and doesn't play the rest of
the year, and he spends his whole off season after
that rehabbing. So he was robbed of a year of development.
A quarterback who needed reps in development was robbed of
(33:20):
a year of that. So even if they had, even
if they had handled it better with giving him more
hands on direction as a rookie, if the injury happens,
you're still sort of in the same boat. But I
do I do think that they mishandled it by by
not giving him more. I don't know if the word structure,
(33:42):
you know. What's always bothered me as much as the injuries,
I guess. But even more so is they benched him
two games last year. Would have been more, but Flaka
was playing so poorly. But they benched him two games
last year because he wasn't as detailed and prepared as
a deed to be. That's that's that's the biggest sin
(34:03):
about a quarterback, as you're not ready. I'm trying to
hear the quarterback was for Bustalo, Billy, Joe Hobert or
somebody where he went in when the quarterback got hurt,
he had no clue what he was doing, and then
he admitted it. You had to be prepared. You have to.
I'm not saying the quarterback has to be the first
in the building and the last out, but he needs
to be the guy that that sort of sets the tone.
(34:25):
And I just don't know that Richardson ever understood that
because he was twenty. I'm twenty years old, and you
give me thirty four million dollars, my attention is gonna
waiver a little bit. It shouldn't if you're if you're
the quarterback. But again, he was such an aberration that
thirteen career starts, and he was young, and he was
(34:46):
coming to a team that was sort of unsettled, so
it was mishandled. Now where this goes from here, I'm
not at optimistic that he's got a future here. I'm not,
but I just would like I could have known September
October if he was and we're not going to see
(35:06):
that barring you know, Jones not playing well, being injured
and he's been hurting in his career. So but see,
I'm looking longer term, and they're looking now that they're
looking after what's best for Quintin Nelson and the Forest
Buckner and Jonathan Taylor and in fifty some other players.
(35:26):
That's what they're that's what they're interested in, and they
believe that Daniel Jones gives them a better chance to
win now, which is another indictment of Anthony Richardson. So
I was it was almost a no win situation. You're
right that however they done it. Had done it, there
would have been major pushback. I think, maybe not so
(35:49):
much with Richardson because we all did polls on social
media and it was eighty ninety percent in favor of Richardson,
which you can't listen to that you can't. It's great conversation.
But here's where they are. And I'm not one of
those who believes that for a guy that they insist
in needed reps, reps, reps, needs to play and all
(36:13):
of a sudden that maybe it's a good thing that
he that he's watching in from the sidelines on Saturday.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
By the way, too, on Saturday when you have time
to play on the insurance policy. Crap, Come on, get
out there and play. You can't preach how he needs
time and then when time's available not give it to him.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
I would probably set him down too, though, because I
don't want he's he's going to have to play this year.
He is, and I understand what you're saying, but if
he if he play on Saturday, he's playing against He's
playing with third stringers, second third stringers, and what can
you get out of that? Can you get him hurt?
(36:54):
So I don't know the value of putting him out
there against the Bengals, who are going to play their
scrubs problem as well. But you're gonna have guys playing
on offense that are fighting for jobs. I don't know
that I would put him out there with that. I
don't know I would risk that because I'm not sure
what other than getting grips. You're not going to play
(37:15):
your starting offensive line, you're not gonna play your receivers,
you're not gonna play Tyler Warren. I'd push back on that,
but you know, I again, I just I just don't
see how this works.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
But I'm looking at things different than than change sticking
and Chris Palmer.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
What would happen if you were to go out there
on Saturday and look really good, even if it was
against those trials, but then.
Speaker 4 (37:41):
Was able to liqu he's playing against we would you think? Well,
to me, that would be uh a no win situation.
If you look good, well, look who you're playing against.
Hen If you look bad, you're gonna think, my god,
you can't be efficient against.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
You can't.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
You can't preach again as he needs time, and then.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
It's a hard it's a hard stand, right. But you
know again, I don't agree with your decision. I fully
understand it. It's like in college. I took debate and
they would give you They would just give you a
topic and then you got to make stuff up and
argue it. I could argue either way. I could probably
(38:24):
argue stronger for this team that Jones is the right one.
But I still I haven't changed my idea that Richardson
needs to be the guy and I he said all
the right things the other day, Richardson, did you know,
I don't I think he's what I you know, that
was their decision and I respect it. I just think
(38:45):
somewhere deep down he had that little devil on his shoulder, saying, yeah,
these guys can take a running leap, but I hope
he handles it well. His time will come here. It
will because at some point either Jones is then can
you imagine if he goes out Jones and has a
bad game against Miami? Can you imagine reaction at the stadium?
Speaker 3 (39:09):
Good?
Speaker 1 (39:09):
How about the first incompletion?
Speaker 4 (39:11):
The first you know, I know that's what I'm saying. Yeah,
and that's that's not for to Jones, but but that's
you know, he's a big boy and he's getting paid
big money and so yeah, it's it's just a tough
situation and I hope itchesn't handles it well because his
time will come at some point this year. The more
important thing is what do they do next year? And
(39:32):
we all tend to look more to the next year
because that's what we do, and these guys can't do that.
They have to do again. I've said one of the
worst things about not having your quarterbacks straight is that
Quentin Nelson's best years, most of his best years, and
Jonathan Taylor, the Forrest Buckner, Braden Smith. Your team's gotten
(39:52):
older and these guys some of their better years are gone.
And that's that's the crime of not getting your quarterbacks straight.
And when Peyton, when Peyton hit it, when he really
got going in ninety nine, those players we I mean,
they were there and they grew together, and this just
hasn't been able to happen here because of the quarterback instability.
(40:14):
And I don't see it change. What's gonna change. I mean,
at the end of this season, they're not gonna know.
They probably aren't gonna know what they've got. Daniel Jones
will be a free agent. You know, there's a chance
that Richardson doesn't play much and you benched him again
for crying out loud. So you're gonna draft a guy
in the top ten or twelve. I don't think he
(40:35):
isn't going to be bad enough record. I really don't
think they'll be bad if record wise to beat top
five taking your quarterback and it's supposed to be a
quarterback rich draft and then here you go again. So
it's two more years for the fan base, which is
already frustrated and impatient. Hey we're gonna be okay, we
got we got our quarterback of the future. Maybe, well
(40:57):
that takes time. It just takes it. It took Peyton,
but his well, it was a second year because they
had that really big jump with that Duram coming in
and all that. But rebuilds take time. It just takes time.
And I just don't know if this fan base is
really ready for a two or even three year rebuild.
(41:17):
But if this doesn't work, and I'm not sure how
it works because of what we've talked about, the fan
base is going to be totally impatient.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
Hey, Mike, remember you and I had this conversation, and
I'm sure it all runs together at this point, but
we go back to the end of last year, and
I said to you, if Richardson doesn't start and you know,
get that shot of belief in year three, then why
are all these guys around? And that's the first thing
(41:48):
I thought of, Why are all these guys around? And
I thought that you even made more of that point
just now by saying, all right, if this doesn't work
this year, here we go again, back in to rebuild
and reboot mode. And all you're doing is delaying the inevitable.
And that's exactly how it feels right now.
Speaker 4 (42:09):
And I can't push back on that. And and my
whole question will be if if and when Carly and
her sisters decide to tear this down to the studs.
How many studs you're going to keep? If you look
at thatt roster and said, Okay, we're changing coach, we're
changing head general manager, and we're changing quarterbacks, how many
(42:32):
how can you name ten players that you say these
are keepers? I don't know, you know, Jonathan Taylor, maybe
he's a running back, and you replace those guys Quinton Yes,
uh In lat too, Yes, and the corners in the
corner in the safety just paid yes. But there's not
a ton of guys, you know, obviously Tyler Warren. I
(42:54):
could probably name ten guys maybe that they will say,
these are guys we've built around. That's what I'm saying.
When you push the reset button, it's not going to
be a tweak. It's not going to be well, we
you know, a little bit of lipstick here and some
rouge here.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
No.
Speaker 4 (43:09):
No, it's going to be a face lift, and a
major one where you may not recognize the person who
started who was the person for the facelift. So yeah,
I hope it works out because I like the people
we're working with, which is no way to judge anything.
The fact we get along well and all this this
(43:30):
is a big business and tough decisions we made. I
just I'm very anxious about what's going to happen here
because I just don't know how this thing works out.
I really don't.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Two things before I let you go. One is you've
got a timetable on when we are going to get
a trade request from Richard Sif's representation. And if you
were a betting person, would do you think he's going
to get his chance? Do you think he's going to
be with this team for the remainder of the season,
(44:07):
all the way through, if you're a betting guy, do
you believe him to still be here?
Speaker 3 (44:10):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (44:11):
Yeah, I'm not. Let's say you get a fifth round
pick for him. Let's just say that I'm not a
big I'm not a big fan of third day draft picks.
I just I'm just not I maybe get more for
him in the offseason, or maybe just jutty, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
No.
Speaker 4 (44:29):
I from having talked to Chris Boward enough and even
even Shane, they do think there's something there. They and
unless they're just completely blowing smoke, they think he does
if he needs to continue to improve and dog Gunny
he's twenty three. He's twenty three, has got a men's talent.
(44:52):
Will he ever be a great quarterback? I don't know,
but I don't think they're ready to give up on
him now. If the agent gets kind of pissy and
does Jonathan tavor agent type stuff, I don't know. I
you can't let an agent dictate what you're doing. I
hope that's not the case of Steven had a good story,
(45:12):
Stephen Holder had a good story on that, and the
agent said what he said, and I understand it. I'm
not sure how anything the originalisan does trust the people
making the calls now, because you know, I think he
believes he did make improvements in the off season and
he worked on it, and he thinks he had He
thinks he did what he needed to do, and they
(45:34):
said he had not enough. You know, go go sit
and watch. So I can understand how even though he said,
you know, he believes him because he believes what they're
telling him. I wonder how strong that belief is. But I,
if I'm a betting man, he's here all year, next year,
I would bet this year, yes, next year, No, Hey.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
In closing here and you may not have an answer
for this. We really haven't even approached the subject before
because he just kind of poof and disappeared. But does
anybody view because people have mentioned this to me, and
I thought I would ask you, does anybody view Morocco
Brown as kind of a fall guy regarding you know,
(46:17):
the early stages of vetting and then going really hard
after Anthony Richardson because I Steiken apparently agreed thoroughly with it,
and Chris Ballad agreed thoroughly with it, and I'd heard
that some over there were not on board with that decision.
Who knows what's right and what's wrong. But you know,
then all of a sudden, poove, Morocco Brown is gone.
(46:38):
Was he somewhat a fall guy there? Or is there
something else happening that we.
Speaker 4 (46:42):
Don't I would like, I would hope there was something else.
And I don't know the background there. I've heard a
few things, but not enough to put out there. Yeah,
scouts do. And he was high up to scouts change.
He was don't remember his title, but he was high up,
you know, director of whatever else, college scouting, whatever it was.
(47:03):
And it's those guys' jobs to deliver, deliver players and evaluations,
and then it's on Chris Ballard and Ed Dodds and
shange Sdyken to say yes no, And you know, I
understand what you see. We don't see it. I don't
(47:23):
know that it was unanimous to go after Richardson as
hard as they did, but I.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
Think it was.
Speaker 4 (47:29):
I think it was eighty twenty ninety ten in favor
of it.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
So they.
Speaker 4 (47:35):
Now their options were limited when Young and Stroud were gone,
and I don't know how much of an opportunity, if any,
they had to go to up to one and not
probably not to two at all. Was Houston to get
the guy. Maybe they really wanted if it was Stroud.
I don't know, but I was this was this was
(47:57):
a strong team decision to get I'm sure Jim irsay.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
He had said that if it were they had the
number one pick, they would have drafted Richardson, did he not?
Speaker 4 (48:08):
Yeah, but you say you say that.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
Yeah, exactly know. I just I had heard that Dodds
was not on board with it, but.
Speaker 4 (48:16):
And that maybe but that that's but that that's me.
That's a good thing. It's good not to have everybody,
you know, Hey, yeah, you're right, you're right, it's good
to have pushed back. And then it's then it's on
Chris Ballad and and and change taken. I mean, he
had to think, boy, look what I can do with
this guy if if we can get him to grow
And it's obvious that he hasn't that Richards hasn't grown
(48:37):
enough or in the right areas for whatever reason injuries
or or or he's just not capable of whatever.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (48:45):
But this was This wasn't as one hundred percent as
Peyton Manning was, but they were or Andrew luck of course,
but they were with what they were it for that
this was their guy. And if Chris Ballad or Chrishane
Psychin didn't believe Morocco Brown's evaluations, then you don't do
you say, okay, yeah, I understand, yeah, we don't like that,
(49:08):
then you don't draft him. So I would I would
hate that that gets out there that well, we've got
to get rid of somebody because of this. What if
they what if they fire Morocco like they did, and
then Richson's guy and he and he and he goes
eleven and six this year as a starter. So I
think there was more to it than that. But uh uh, yeah,
(49:30):
they they they were. This is this is the one
where you you get Carson Winster because Frank likes Sei
when it blows up, and then you get Matt Ryan
because well, maybe you've got a couple more years. Then
they're sort of all on board and that blows up.
I think this is the one where they were they
were not unanimous, but enough in favor of Richardson that
(49:51):
they did it and didn't look back at the time.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
Mike Chapel of CBS four and Fox fifty nine and
maybe added another one here then so distant future from Beechgrove,
Indiana and Mike next Thursday, I'll try my damnes not
to be drunk.
Speaker 4 (50:07):
Well, there you go.
Speaker 3 (50:09):
Today, this is great.
Speaker 4 (50:10):
We finally got a break into weather. I'm sitting on
my front or yeah, I'm not being attacked by squirrels,
so it's it's a great day.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
You got it, buddy. Thanks Mike. Next week we'll do
it again.
Speaker 4 (50:19):
See you later.
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