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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm gonna tell you what this is a You know,
it's funny. People go it's a crappy day outside, But
I don't think it's a crappy day because there's no
more snow really left on the ground. It's not like
minus degrees or anything like that. It's not freezing. I
mean it is around fifty, it's raining, it's gray.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
We welcome to this time of year.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
But I'll take it over what we've had to deal
with in the past week, I guess right now. And
I also will take it because it's on a Thursday,
and because we're at coach Is Tavern and it's a
Larcity Bourbon locks and a Luna zuel tequila shots Week sixteen.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
You know how much I love this.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
And then when I bring him on in a second,
he's gonna tell us this is the final one before
the end of the year, which I knew this was coming,
but it always is a relative kicking the groin to
me when I know this is gonna be the final
one before the end of the year, and it makes
me sad. So we're gonna make this extra special for you,
and I'll explain in just a second. Now some of

(00:55):
the topics that we'll get into. I know I got
the Butler ad grantline Decker's going to do, does I
think at the bottom of the hour, and he doesn't
go by Ad. It's like vice president of making sure
everything falls into place, whatever it is. But Grant's gonna
join us going up at the bottom of the hour,
and we'll talk with him about the indie classic putting
that together and the Butler programs right now and I'm

(01:17):
sure Nil funding all that in the bottom of the
hour with Grant is going to join us, that is cool,
and then we'll do our week sixteen larceny, bourbon locks,
lunezul tequila shots, and then after that Mike Chapel of
CBS four and Fox fifty nine will join us. He's
gonna come on here and explain today why we find

(01:37):
ourselves in this situation again where head coach says one thing,
and then Anthony Richardson Senior, I'll be honest with you,
I really don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
I don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
I don't care if he plays or if he doesn't play,
if he can't, we we've seen it, right.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Do I think they need to dial threat?

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Would I be satisfied? If I thought he.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Was going to be out there and ready to go
and be able to throw it down the field. No,
probably not. No, I mean we've seen that act before.
I would hope for him he could, but it's not
like I'm gonna believe in it. But the other thing
you don't end up believing is why can't this team
ever be on the stick in the same.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Page with anything? Why is that?

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Why does Shane Stikeen say, well, you know what, he's
got trouble with his vision. I'm paraphrasing on this too,
and then Richardson later says, you know what, I'm just fine.
I'm gonna explain it to you. Here's why that happens.
Thank you so much. This happens because you have Shane
steike and it probably really doesn't want to put any
thought about why aren't you playing Anthony Richardson, Why aren't

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you trying him again? Because he wants to stick with
this guy Philip Rivers because they believe the Philip Rivers
gives them the best opportunity to win and win on
Monday night. On the other hand, if you're Anthony Richardson,
and this is where Jake and I agree, and then
I'll take it even further.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Anthony Richardson is.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Going to tell everybody that he's okay and he's ready
to go, because he probably is okay and ready to go.
I mean, hell, what is he like twenty three years old?
I'd be okay and ready to go too. If everybody
in the world is telling me that I'm a bust.
I want to get out there and try to play. Plus,
he wants to prove to everybody that this is not
about his health and he's not made of glass. So

(03:25):
I completely understand it. But holy hell, can somebody over
there maybe get everybody on the same page at some point?
That'd be great, That really would be great. Alas, there's
been one consistency over the years with this organization, and
that is exactly kind of this.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Well, this is one side of it. This is the
other side of it.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
And again, I know when I mentioned at the outset,
ye does it really doesn't matter to me? I know
I emphasize it as if it matters to me, But
I'm trying to clarify for you exactly what's going to
going on.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
I mean, there's one side that doesn't really want to
have to deal with it right now.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Because they have forty four year old Philip Rivers under center.
They believe and am that's who they want to go with.
And they don't want everybody asking a lot of questions, Hey,
why aren't doing this?

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Why do that?

Speaker 4 (04:13):
All?

Speaker 1 (04:13):
Really they're legitimate questions why you're not doing it? But
they don't want to mess with that. And then if
you're Antony Richardson, yeah I'm ready to go.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Let's do it.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Let's get out there and go. I'm good, yeah, vision,
I'm not bumping into stuff. I'm not running into polls,
I'm walking down the street or anything like that. I'm
all good, you know. Plus he's got the whole tapping
out thing to deal with. I mean, he's trying to
solidify himself and not just here but further down the
road someplace else in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
So it all makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
But again here in India it makes the most sense
because you got one side saying one thing in this
case the head coach, and the other side, which is
the backup quarterback, saying the other thing.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
So that is where we are today.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
That is the normal soap opera stuff that we have
going on here Monday night. Of course, you have Frisco
in town against the Colts. We'll get them. More of
that coming up a little bit later on the awful
story regarding Greg Biffle, and this goes back and I'm
gonna give NASCAR credit now, but in particular ims, because

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they always get I don't know if you guys have noticed,
they always get a driver on with me. It seems like,
and you know that had been kind of few and
far between over the years, but back when they really
did that, you know, back when these guys were at
the forefront, one of the better drivers that talked to
was that of Greg Biffle, because he was multi dimensional.

(05:37):
He was enjoyable, he was thoughtful, I mean, all the
things that you talk about often with athletes and they
obviously the plane crash news out of North Carolina today
is is awful, absolutely awful. He is one of the

(06:01):
good guys.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Always has been.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
And really when I look at him, he was successful
as a driver, but most importantly he was so successful
just as a good dude and a humanitarian and working
for the betterment of others.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
He was always so good at that as well as anybody.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
And you absolutely hate the news that has transpired down
in North Carolina today. I mean it is It is
a tough situation. That is a story that we will
continue to follow. Regarding the plane crash in Greg Biffle,

(06:54):
I know Jake had that without Adam Alexander. That was
a really thoughtful and insightful interview. But now, seriously, Greg
Biffel was a good dude and he was one of
the better interviews. He was just a well rounded individual.
It was more than just about racing, and we are
sorry to see that today. I digress Pacers Knicks coming

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up later on tonight at the field House, the Emirates
Cup champion Nixon Town will go over that coming up
in just a little bit. Dev's the onside engineer Kurt
Jeralds is in today for James, who's got three thousand
days of PTO evidently, and he's using that today as
I think everybody should on a Thursday and Friday. But
I will give James credit. James is still working behind

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the scenes to make sure everything runs smoothly, and we
do appreciate that. That is the list that we're talking
about today of guests coming up, but let me talk
about those that are here right now at Coaches taffan.
We love this place and to my right and formula
that this is the final of the year of twenty
twenty five. Larceny, bourbon locks, Lunasil tequila shot, something about

(07:57):
Christmas and New Year's Day. My thought was, who gives
a crap, let's do it. But I guess we're not
doing anything right. This is it, John, Unfortunately it is, mate,
this is You're breaking my heart, you and me both.

Speaker 5 (08:09):
Man.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Tony Baxton once said, unbreak my heart, unbreak my heart.

Speaker 5 (08:12):
Well, hey, we'll pick it up and uh, we'll pick
it up back in the new year of twenty six.
How about that? Today makes it even more special. And
we all, like you mentioned, we love being here at coaches.
We got Tommy Sutton, Tommy, how are you man going
to be back?

Speaker 4 (08:26):
Tommy s jamv Hopey, welcome back to coaches.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Good to see you guys here.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
As a Tommy s and I went to so many
playoff games we did.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
What a great run?

Speaker 4 (08:36):
A run and now you know, you look at the
team and you're just like, man, what happened? I understand
it's injuries.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
I did too well. The Sunday crap against the Wizards.
My ass on that. I mean, that was the joke.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Well, I'm not gonna go over there and watch that
Carlisle call those guys and and you should have came
out and called those guys out because that was a
half ass affair right there.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, that was a half ass affair.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
You do that tonight against the Knicks, and even if
they are euphoric about the Emprench Cup Championship in Vegas,
they're going to run you off the floor.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
And I don't think you ever want that against.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
The next thing. Let's just face it. There is that
rivalry from the last two playoffs with that team still
talking about getting well, Nick Fen's got all excited about
this Inwraps Cup thing and nobody really cares cares.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Well, you know their coach, uh, what's his name, Mike Brown?
Mike Brown? Thank you said we're not gonna raise a banner.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
Yeah, it's meaning I think Spike Lee raised the banner already,
Spike Lee and Steven A.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Smith.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
That that is to me, that is like the never
won Jack Squatt When you're excited as you are about
that crap.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Who's more hated than Annapolis Spike Lee or Tom Brady.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Tom Brady or Spike Lee, i'd say, Spike. I gotta
respect Tom Brady. Do you know what It's funny? I
just I respect the fact that you can look at
this now as or you could look at it in
the past as more as of rivalry. I think we
need to dislike more people around here because that means
what's up, guys. That means things are going well. That

(10:04):
means you're good and you have rivals. We've been kind
of in this middling state for such a long time.
It's why I don't really hate them. I don't really
love them, you know what I mean? You want to
be able to really as a sports fan, get deeply
rooted into disliking somebody that you're good.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
Who's the Cult's biggest rival? Is it the Texans at
the Jaguars?

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Well right now? The map? Yeah? For years, Temmy as
how you doing, brother, doing great?

Speaker 4 (10:35):
Doing great? Got a good weekend coming up? We got
the Rams the Seahawks tonight show he was showing that game.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
I believe that is for all of the all the gyms, right, the.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
Winter takes over first place in the NFC, that is correct,
and the NFC West. Yeah, uh, tomorrow night, we've got
all we got the Pacers tonight Oklahoma, Buddy boy coahom Obama.
Let's se who's gonna get their butts beat by those
Indiana hoosiers at the Rose?

Speaker 1 (11:00):
How weird is that saying for the right to play
I you on the next round of the College Football
Playoff Oklahoma and Alabama.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
That's sweet? That is sweet.

Speaker 6 (11:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:09):
If anybody had come to me five years ago, four
years ago and said, listen, this guy is gonna come
to Eyeu, He's going to turn your program around overnight,
and you're gonna have a Heisman Trophy winner, a Big
Ten championship and undefeated season.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yes, And then I want to watch sixty minutes last
week too, for the first time.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
In my need to knock Outapama out of the CFP,
I just said, I'm calling the house right now.

Speaker 6 (11:31):
You're crazy.

Speaker 5 (11:31):
Yeah, but all that's happened and then wow, what a
what a run?

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Huh? Got me to watch sixty minutes for the front.
That's the first time I've ever watched sixty minute E
two Sunday. Absolutely normally, I go, I can't change the
channel quick enough when I hear that to stop watching.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Right over to Sunday Night football.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Hell out of dodge Man because immediately it's something incredibly
depressing and then all of.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
A sudden, you boom, here we go. Who got blown
up today?

Speaker 1 (11:54):
Yeah, I mean it's just h yeah, some ridiculous stuff
that you don't want to hear. And the first time
I was watching sixty minutes, Kirks.

Speaker 4 (12:04):
Andy can do nothing wrong. In my opinion, that guy
is a He's a guy that you there'll be a
statue of that.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Well. He is definitely a wizard of sorts right now
because a straight sorcery who had the eighties dance track
was it Midnight Star Midas Touch, got the Midest touch?

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Oh everything he touches his goal.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yea Midas Touch. That was a great dance song back
in the day. And everything he does, and Tommy, part
of the equation here is, I mean, it's one thing
to have, you know, this nil funding that they have,
they have money to spend, but you also have to
pick out the right players. I mean, you can't bring
in their horses ass to like mess up the works
or anything like that. Everybody he's selected, he has been

(12:48):
really good and regimented about how and who he brings
in to best benefit his team.

Speaker 4 (12:56):
And you know Fernanda Mendoza, he was basically, I don't
want to say it, nobody, but nobody coming out of
high school. He's a two star recruit. This guy's a
Heisman Trophy winner. Yeah, this guy's going to be a
number one overall.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Pick next year.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
The Midas touched that My Midnight Star current looked that up.
You gotta play that back.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
In for us.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
A little bit later on, as Kurt Generalds is back
of the studio when largely the barbon locks lunazdult tequila shots.
We've got week number sixteen coming up here at the
four o'clock hour. That's Tommy, Yes, Britt Halverson is also here.
How'd we do last week?

Speaker 5 (13:26):
You know? Last week, John, you went nine and seven.
I went eight to eight, Mister Cordo went eight to eight,
and Troy the one dollar better came out hot. He
made thirty four dollars, he said last week he was
eleven and five. He was, he came out.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Hot rist year. What am I on the season right now?

Speaker 6 (13:42):
You know?

Speaker 5 (13:43):
You are?

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Am I still? As Santana once famously said.

Speaker 5 (13:46):
Winning you are you? Uh, let's see you'd be your
seven games above five hundred, so yes, but I have.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Been sliding recently. There's been a slide.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
This late season has been a struggle, there's no doubt
about that.

Speaker 5 (13:59):
Yeah, you know you And for the majority though these
eleven and five you were dropping early and then kind
of middled out, and then you brought a couple of
low ones in there.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
You're still above five hundred. This week was kind of
like the Colts in Berlin for me right here.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
I mean you you didn't.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
You did that great, but you survived the rest of
It's been like the Colts otherwise, and that's losing.

Speaker 5 (14:16):
That is that's a good way to look at it.
But hey, we've got week sixteen in front of us,
which it's just amazing. We've already gone through almost a
whole season. A couple of weeks left of course, you know,
like I say, we're going to be out due.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
To the holiday. Miss Kringle joined us next Thursday. Can't
do that. What we got to be going out. We
got to go out. You know what.

Speaker 5 (14:36):
Here's a good thing though, the next year, right, it's
going to be on a different day, so well, our
Thursdays will open back up and we're gonna have six
years of being able to roll through the e on
a Wednesday. Is it is kind of whack?

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Yeah, yeah, it is.

Speaker 5 (14:50):
It is. It's tough, is that?

Speaker 2 (14:51):
What is the what's the best.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
Day to have New Year's Eve of the week and
the worst day to have New Year's Eve?

Speaker 2 (14:56):
You guys as.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Tony, Tommy as the bar owner, I'm sorry, Tommy is
a bar owner, and Brent as somebody that works in it.
What's the best day of the week and the worst
day of the week you think.

Speaker 4 (15:08):
To have New Year's And I think of Friday or
Saturday will be your best New Year's Eve possibility. I
agree Monday would be your worst, you know because at
least when when when Christmas and New Year's fall on Friday,
everybody's off. You're gonna come out Thursday, Friday, on Saturday,
everybody's got a forty weekend.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
So uh, we're we'll be okay. I mean, we'll do
just fine on New Year's No.

Speaker 5 (15:29):
I think I think actually this year even too. Right,
So you're looking at Wednesday night.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
That's a great Wednesday night, right, I mean, that's.

Speaker 5 (15:34):
Gonna be a great Wednesday night for you.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Day it is, and we're going to be open.

Speaker 4 (15:37):
We're usually closed on New Yearsday because I give everybody
a day off to relax.

Speaker 5 (15:41):
A pretty big game on New Year's Day.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
This year, it's this big game that and hey, I'll
be out there in Pasadena.

Speaker 5 (15:47):
Are you where you're going?

Speaker 3 (15:47):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (15:48):
Wow, that's awesome. You know, I might never see this
ever in my sure again.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
So you and Clayton Anderson are going together, I guess. Yeah,
Clayton's coming out lady from Pasadena.

Speaker 4 (15:57):
And by the way, Clayton Anderson, congratulations, just got married
to his lovely one.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Wait a minute, you didn't know this, well, fifteen minutes ago.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
We didn't tell me he got married. Clayton and Hannah
got married last Friday.

Speaker 4 (16:11):
But did they get married at the courthouse And they
had a big celebration over cross the street.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
And I didn't get invited to the wedding.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
It was a very last minute. That's a kicking my
junk right there.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
It was very last minute. I guess Clayton's grandma is
not doing okay. She wanted to see the ceremony, and yeah,
God bless her. And you know, Clayton is such a
good guy.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
I love me some Hannah too, By the way, I
love you, you know, and I say this all the time, Tommy.
I love the way that you guys all are friends,
all the bar owners. I mean, you all frequent each
other's place, and it's just I love that downtown. I
think that brings a synergy for downtown that is necessary.
You got to spread the love, not just downtown. But

(16:51):
you know, I get out, I go to Joe's Grill.
You know, see Alli and Miller and mouse Trap with
us LA Spirit mouse Trap support.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
I love supporting the local bar. Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
Just keep that money here right in Indianapolis. Yes, and I'm.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Man well done.

Speaker 5 (17:04):
That's what it's all about, you know. I mean there's
a tight knit community too, right, I mean everybody, we're
all going through the ups, the downs, the trials and
tribulations together. So sure, it's it's pretty awesome.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
All right.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
So you guys tell me some of the games we
should be talking about here, uh tonight, Tommy, I think
I already brought that up as well. I got some
Saturday affairs coming up this week as well.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
There's a big game Saturday night, mister Halverson.

Speaker 5 (17:29):
Saturday night games coming up consecutive.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
Are they gonna play that first game in Gary? By
the way, I said this a little bit earlier. It
needs to be in Roselawn. How about that? The sun
Club is that? What the Sun Club is? The yea,
the Honderosa Sun Club Stadium and Rose on the optional.

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So it was always my dream to go up there
and see all the Lynn sisters back in the eighties,
amber Portia Ginger. They were all last name Lynn. They're
all sisters, aren't they?

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Awesome? Brought Indiana Yeah, professional football. I mean, Brett Musburger.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
You're looking live at the sold out Ponderosa Sun Club
Stadium in rose Lawn, Indiana, And this pregame show is
presented by High Society Magazine.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
That's beautiful. That's like my dream right there, Tommy.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
It's like cross pollinating two things like football, right and eight.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Bring it all in full circle right there. That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
So I could teach a class, you know, I once
wrote a paper at Indiana State.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
About the evolution of porn in the nineteen eighties.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
Right, and my English professor, let me see if I
can remember his name.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
He's no longer whether it's right now at Indiana State.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
He pulled me aside and he goes, I gave you
a B plus on this I thought it was well written.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
But are you on drugs because you're nuts? Wrong with you?

Speaker 1 (19:01):
So it was, it was awesome, but no, seriously, we
may end up seeing the Bears one of these days
in northwest Indiana. Wow, the Bears in the armpit, which
would be nice for you because you don't like the
Bears anyway, and that's where you think they are in general,
in the arm pit.

Speaker 5 (19:15):
You know, it's very well said, and I concur with
all of your verbage there. But I'll tell you what,
that is going to be a tough game coming up
Saturday night.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
It's going to be sorry to hear about all the injuries.

Speaker 5 (19:26):
Oh man, that's that's a brutal year he was. And
you know I was talking to somebody else earlier about this.
What he did, even when he wasn't causing all that
activity to go on, he created the quarterback mindset of
I've got I don't have time. I've got to get
rid of this ball because one's gonna come shooting around
that corner quickly and that going away. I mean, we

(19:47):
still got some defensive action. Red is what it's going
to be about.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
The number one coming at you. You don't have time
to you just gotta get rid of no doubt, Absolutely, J. J.
McCarthy did not understand that in his first meeting against
the Packers well Green Bay.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
I will say this, Tommy, I think there are a
lot of fans that don't understand that. Maybe even people
in the media don't understand. It's one thing. I only
said this about Miles Turner. Everybody wants me all over
Miles Turner here, but he was a threat. Maybe he
only had a block or two in a game, but
he was a threat. He did, he was there, He
did run dudes out of the lane because they knew

(20:21):
he was going to be down there. And without that
threat for the Pacers, and I know it's not now
because I know that they are.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Getting some blocks.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
I know Huff is doing doing a good job, but
you know, you have to have that threat, whether it's
you know, in the game of basketball or football, coming
off the edge and thinking, you know what Rick Rick
Venturi calls them ambient players, guys that are going to
keep you up at night thinking about how they could
foo bar your game.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
And Micah Parson certainly is one of those brands.

Speaker 5 (20:48):
Oh he is. And he again what he brings just
in his skills number one that showcases You're right, Tommy,
he's had a great year. You know what. First was
a stat five years in a row of twelve consecutive
sacks and all this stuff that he's done his career
and to tear the a c L. The a c
L this year seems to be the thing that is
just going and Achilles both righties. Yeah, soft tissue issues

(21:15):
in the leg area, Absolutely, it's been. It's been brutal.
It has absolutely been brutal.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Ran Miller has not had a soft tissue issue yet
has No, He's got little larceny to keep those tissues strong.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
It's known to do that, you know. Ryan Miller in
the house represented you guys all get together.

Speaker 4 (21:34):
Brian Leharman here representing Blend up in eight shot out.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
We were at Blend last January, I think right we were.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
We were ran Brian showed me the humid door they had.

Speaker 5 (21:43):
They got a pretty special place up there too.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
You and Dore, like is better than my living room
I would have built my houses. I go God that
this is like better than my more luxurious in my
living room. Right here, they're they're a humidor Blend. No,
but man, seriously, we got that coming up at four o'clock.
Anything else you want to add, guys before we hit.

Speaker 5 (22:01):
A break here, Hey, you know playoff college playoff football.

Speaker 4 (22:04):
We talked about starting a smorer night Tomorrow night Alabama Oklahoma. Saturday,
we've got three games games obviously Eagles, Commanders and Packers
Bears Tomorrow night absolute slar and then Sunday we have
all the NFL action and it's.

Speaker 5 (22:19):
Monday night, Monday Night football here in downtown Indiana.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Last time that we had them Monday night football.

Speaker 5 (22:24):
Man, I don't know. That's a good question. It's been
a few years and.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
The interest has dwindled for this one too. It's unfortunate.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
I'm trying to build it back up here by ripping
on the organization.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Come on, come out of sport. The Colts. They're not dead.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Okay, Well, here's what's funny about it, Tommy.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Yes, they're still right there. They are.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
You win two out of the last three, you probably
go to the postseason. The numbers say so, you went
three out of the last three, you certainly go to
the postseason. But I think most people out there you're
probably an't gonna win any of the gotta.

Speaker 4 (22:54):
Be Jacksonville here at home, and you got Houston on
the road, Houston on the road and sand for with
the forty four year old quarterback and San fran is
going to be dialed in to uh to their explods.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
So yeah, you know.

Speaker 5 (23:07):
The they said last week Colt's game was the most
watched Colts game on Yes, yeah, ever, like in the
last five years, five years, so that the the excitement
of seeing just wanting to see what mister Rivers is
going to do was out there and hate they about
to pull it off.

Speaker 4 (23:24):
He as good as he could for a guy that
has thrown a pass and fight.

Speaker 7 (23:28):
Absolutely, he's a good game manager, but he is so
limited down the field and damn stranger man, it just
does I mean, if you're thinking, I just want them
to throw a jump ball or two alley peers, to
try to loosen anything up, whatsoever, just anything whatsoever.

Speaker 5 (23:43):
Yeah, it's gonna be interesting, but again, it's a big game.
It'd be a great time to come down to coaches
and watch it if you're not going on the game,
right game that's Hey, the drinks here a lot cheaper
than the art. Lucas is one hundred percent right, and
they're a little bit. They got some good power to them.
They'll get a little better poor, that's right.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Good love a great place with a great port.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
For the food here shot or just the perfect the
perfect port. There you go, our good friend, gut shot.
Greg says, I have a great story regarding Roselawn for you.
Maybe what is that nudes of popping they used to
have and Ron Jeremy used to go to NWS to
popping all the time. There's a human being in our
lifetime that ever shouldn't have been nude, but was.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Always It was him, right Jeremy. I seriously go man.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
And see that's what I always thought, the whole nudist
colony when you were young, it was always oh man, dude, really,
but if you thought about it, the only people that
run around nude at nudist colony the old ones, Well,
they're the ones that you want them to keep clothes
on the first place I want to see you naked,
all right.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
The ones that have clothes on, those are.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
The ones you normally want to see naked. Right there,
all right, Ritt, hanging ready, let's do it. Let's do
the final one right here. For the year of twenty
twenty five. Timmy, Yes, you're good too. Glad to have
you guys here for the final one. It's a shame
it's the final one and season it's here.

Speaker 5 (25:01):
It's going man.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
I'm gonna tell you what quick, but we're gonna enjoy
it today. You guys can join us in great line.
Decker is going to join us. Coming up on the
other side, the vice president and director of athletics for Butler.
We've got Mike Chapel five o'clock hour, and Brent's great
friend Kevin Todd for a final time this year to
coming up at five thirty Buddy's Kevin Todd. Brince bro

(25:23):
is gonna be here. Coach is Tafford. Let's look for you.
The samples are flowing. Hey, don't be a stranger. We'd
love to see you. We'd sixteen picks coming up too.
We've got to stream the app HD Radio Triple A
Membership Lounge via YouTube live. Let's get this thing fired
up on a Thursday at Coaches Downtown ninety three five
one oh seven five the fan there he goes, I
right about that midnight star. I'm gonna tell you what,

(25:45):
Who's gonna give me that shift? On Indy's R and
B leader one oh six point seven WTLC. I could
be right there in a minute. Your name, Jac knows
that over there. Karen Vaughan knows that over there. I mean,
in an absolute minute, I could do that for you.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Well done. Kurt's running things back of the station.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Dev's the onside engineer, Brent Harvest and me JMV where
it coaches downtown.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Tommy is going to rejoin in a bit.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
We've got larceny bourbon locks, lundazdult tequila shots that's coming
up here at the top of the hour. Chapel on
Buckner and Gardner, I know everybody wants to hear them
back and forth between like the coach and the quarterback.
As far as their thoughts on Richardson coming off of
that eye injury. We'll do that a little bit, but

(26:33):
more on Gardner and Buckner coming up with Mike in
the five o'clock gallery meantime with the Andy Moore Auto
Motive Group potline. Let me make sure I get this accurately.
I think I simply called him the ad a little
bit earlier, but he's more than that. The vice president
and director of Athletics at Butler Brent Lindecker joins us
on the Andy Moore Auto Motive Group. Potlin, I feel
bad when I first mentioned here on the show. I

(26:55):
don't think I got your title accurate.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
My bad.

Speaker 6 (26:57):
Hey, no sweat man, no sweat.

Speaker 8 (26:59):
By the way, let's talk Butler basketball, and everyone wants
to hear about neck injuries and eye injuries.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
No, well, I want to see some makes and some cohesion.
And here's what I want to see, Grant, here's what
I want to see. Because this was this was reminiscent
of you know, when Butler was at its highest level,
when is I in that double overtime thrilling win at
Hinkle last Saturday over Providence when he got blocked by

(27:29):
Stefan Rahm, And I know that happened in your life
a number of times. Stefan Rim gets up and rejects
your shot, your duckett. And so Stefan Rahm threw it
back and he didn't give up on it. He stayed
at it and had I think one of the plays
of the year when you look back on it for Butler.
I know things didn't go right at Connecticut earlier this week,

(27:53):
but that was kind of a moment where you could
really get everybody on the same page as far as
what is necessary to win games like that. I thought
that that was one of the bigger moments of the
season so far on Saturday.

Speaker 8 (28:04):
No, I completely agree, and you said it, well, I mean,
when we when we've been at our best, Uh, we
don't win because we're making every shot. We win because
they're winning the plays and the margins and the hustle plays.
And that was one of those moments where it wasn't
necessarily pretty, but it was gritty and we pulled it out.

(28:25):
And man, I got to get some thanks to our
crowd that day because it was the middle of a
snowstorm and we still had almost eight thousand people here cheering,
and they were a big part of that win too.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
And I'm telling you what that they're on the edge
of the seat.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
They're trying to get everybody in and hopefully you're seeing
a response from your guys there, because I would agree
with you. You can just tell with that fan base.
And I know a couple personally, you know, a long
time season ticket holders that are just right there with
you know what, if you can make a play here
or there or you know, I know you haven't been

(29:00):
some of these guys in a similar situation in the past.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
But this is a moment in which you have to
come through. I mean when you.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
Start, when you start realizing that you know something significant
is happening in a positive it seems like that all
of a sudden, you can start putting things together, and
that's when you play.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
To me Grant at a higher level in basketball.

Speaker 8 (29:24):
Yeah, no, I think that's real. I think that's spot on.
I think that.

Speaker 6 (29:28):
Momentum is huge, and I'm with you. I'm with the
fans too.

Speaker 8 (29:32):
I'm an I'm gonna lum and a fan myself, and yeah,
we all want to see.

Speaker 6 (29:36):
Us get over the hump.

Speaker 8 (29:37):
And the good thing about that is, I think we've
got a group that is doing all the little things
and playing the right way. And sure, we're gonna have
nice like we did earlier this week up in up
at Yukon where shots aren't falling and we're into a
bit of a bus saw, but I promise you we're
not gonna quit, and we're gonna compete for forty or
fifty minutes like we did against Providence. But yeah, you know,

(30:00):
you build some of that momentum and then things start
to snowball in a positive way, and I feel like
we're moving that direction right now.

Speaker 6 (30:07):
Hopefully we can get everybody back on board and keep
it there.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Yeah, great line.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Decker is, for lack of a better description, director of
Athletics of Butler. He's kind of enough to join us
on the any Moore Auto Motive Group potlines. So a
little neutral floor action the indie classic gamebridge Field House.
How difficult is that, as a guy that guides the
program as you do right now, to put something like
that together?

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Where is all the cohesion?

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Because not only that, but then you know obviously bush
chili beans, which I love, by the way, that's a
big part of it as well. How does all this
evolve for those out there that may not know?

Speaker 8 (30:44):
Yeah, a lot of moving parts and scheduling is frankly
gotten even harder these days with you know, where the
college basketball landscape is, because everybody's waiting later and later
to schedule because we don't know who's going to be
on our team, We don't know who other teams are
going to have on their and so that's created some challenges.

Speaker 6 (31:02):
But events like this are so important to us to be.

Speaker 8 (31:05):
Able to attract you know, quality really Q one or
Q two games for us on a neutral site.

Speaker 6 (31:12):
Is what we're targeting for these type of events.

Speaker 8 (31:14):
And obviously for us to play a neutral side event, uh,
you know right down the street in our hometown in
front of our home fans is huge. And so yeah,
it's a lot of a lot of pieces. I mean,
we partnered with the Indie Sports Corps on this one,
which is obviously a great partner of ours, and and
uh we work with them a lot and obviously a
great reputation here in Indian throughout the state, and so

(31:37):
we're glad this.

Speaker 6 (31:37):
One came together.

Speaker 8 (31:38):
And yeah, we want to keep doing this, and you know,
hopefully we can get to a point someday where we
get back to the the uh the Crossroads Classic.

Speaker 6 (31:47):
Like we used to and we get the.

Speaker 8 (31:49):
Four power fives together and play in front of the
Indian at Indiana basketball fans.

Speaker 6 (31:54):
That's what we're trying to get to.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
How easy or maybe difficult is it to promote events
like this?

Speaker 2 (32:03):
And do you have to have the.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Other schools and you know, those other figureheads on board
with you to try to make sure you get the
most out of what you're doing here.

Speaker 6 (32:13):
You do you do?

Speaker 8 (32:14):
And that's why you know this is a it's a
four team event with one ticket, and so it is
important to be able to bring in, you know, local
brands that you know we're going to sell like with Purdue, right,
and so we benefit from produced selling tickets, they benefit
from us selling tickets.

Speaker 6 (32:29):
And so that's part of your.

Speaker 8 (32:30):
Strategy for an event like this is make sure you're
you got some some brand in there that are going
to attract and draw. And the hope is in that
the fringes are filled in with just the basketball juonties
throughout our state. But I think that's a big part
of it, is who you're partnering with and what they're
going to attract.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
See Great Lindecker, who's the director of Athletics, vice president
director of Athletics for Butlers on Andy Moore at Amotive Group,
Hootline the Indie Classic coming up UH at Gambridge field
House Northwestern and Butler's the matchup. We can get a
little bit more of that in just a second too.
So I got a care package from Indie Sports Corps
and I dig the gear. I do, but I didn't

(33:12):
find was there not a can of beams in there.
Did you know the grant part part of my incredible
dietary function now would be Bush's chili beans. What the hell?
I didn't see a can of them in there?

Speaker 2 (33:25):
What happened?

Speaker 8 (33:26):
I'm not trying to deflect blame here, but I had
nothing to do with that.

Speaker 6 (33:29):
But uh, I think that's something. I think that's something
we can remedy. I think we could. I think we
can pull that off.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
That's not a very high fiber in my diet these days.
You know, the last time you saw me, I was
a big, a larger shell of myself, and that was
during the n I T I believe you set across
from me at hinkle Field House before Tera hate that
cervaded Hinklefield House or the semi final the end.

Speaker 8 (33:53):
It has been part of the dietary secret. It's your
crediting here.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Yeah, I I do.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
I haven't done fiber in a minute, but I started
out with a lot of fiber, a lot of beans,
and Bush's beans that were a part of that too.
But it is very high protein, is what I do
right now, and on days like today when I drink
I'm very much like a combination of of Dean Martin
and Nickelback, I just don't eat.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
Well.

Speaker 6 (34:20):
Listen, I think I think Bush's needs to know about this,
and I should, and I'll deal here in the in
the making. We got to put it on their radar.
It's a no brainer in my eyes.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
Well, I I talked about Daisy Brancottage cheese so much
they advertised with the show.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
So yeah, that's exactly that's what we can do. And
you bring up a great point.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Where are you guys right now in terms of an
I l how I don't know if you're ever really
truly comfortable, but where are you as far as comfort
in what you have put together? Uh in I guess,
for lack of a better description, your stash for an im.

Speaker 8 (34:59):
Yeah, No, I think that's I think that's well said.
I think a coach would tell you they're never comfortable.
But I really like where we're at, and I like
how far we've come, and we've made tremendous progress. And
I'm not gonna lie. It's been a challenge period, Butler
as nil has evolved, But I really like where we're

(35:19):
at right now, and frankly, in this landscape with a
quote unquote salary cap that we'll see if it can
hold up. You know, schools like Butler and schools in
the Big East without a power for football program actually
have a bit of a strategic advantage here, and so
we're trying to maximize that and capitalize on that. And

(35:39):
we made great growth in anile support from last year
to this year. And you know, frankly, I think you're
seeing that in the quality of the team we're putting
on the floor. And you know, we certainly have Butler
guys in high level, high character individuals. But now the
athleticism and the debt and the skille that we've been
able to put together in a cohesive way, I think

(36:00):
is is showing. And so we're making great strides and
continue to do so. But I like our strategy and
where we're at right now, and we just got to
keep building on it.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Well here's what I'm hoping.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
You don't have to tell me the number, but I'm
hoping you're former coach and his present organization they dig
deep in their pockets to help out the former program.

Speaker 6 (36:22):
Right, that's a wonderful idea. I think that's the one.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yeah, Well, there might be should I text.

Speaker 6 (36:30):
That we can't break?

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Yeah? Yeah, Well, I mean he could help me with
He's still he's still got Grant.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
I think he may still have that Zionsville mentality of uh,
you know, watching the bottom line here, But I think, yeah,
I think he can be a little bit more free
wheeling with it if he wants to in his present position.

Speaker 6 (36:49):
I think that's a wonderful idea.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Yeah, absolutely, let's find out, Well, we have to. I
can't imagine how never ending a saga that that is
for you, though, Grant.

Speaker 8 (37:02):
It is, it is, and the challenge with it, frankly,
is just the constant evolution of kind of the guardrails around.

Speaker 6 (37:09):
It, or lack thereof.

Speaker 8 (37:10):
Frankly, I mean, we feel like we're moving in a
place where we're going to get some structure around this,
and you know, we do have this salary cap now
in effect. But you know, the same schools that have
helped structure this settlement and these rules are now now
finding ways as they're convented, and so at some level
we have to all commit to want to be governed

(37:30):
and want to want to put some you know, some
parameters around this stuff. But frankly, until we get to
a point where there's congressional intervention, which I'm not holding
my breath, or there's collective bargaining and there's real contracts
and employment agreements. I think we're going to have a
lot of this you know, gray area, and uh, it's

(37:52):
going to be continue to be really messy.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Free agency every year. It is unlike anything. Ever, that's
what we're going through right now today. I think I
want to be a free agent. Okay, you're a free agent.
It's incredible.

Speaker 6 (38:06):
Yeah, And that's that's the hardest part of it, right.

Speaker 8 (38:08):
I think we're all for the student athletes earning compensation
from their name, image and likeness.

Speaker 6 (38:15):
But that's the challenging part. And and you.

Speaker 8 (38:17):
Know, every agent is pushing for them to get into
transfer fort every year because that's how you maximize your
market value and this short four to five year window
that they all have.

Speaker 6 (38:27):
And so that's the reality of where we are, and
it's challenging.

Speaker 8 (38:32):
And so yeah, you got to stay nimble and kind
of keep your strategy short term, and obviously financial resources help.

Speaker 6 (38:41):
But at the same time, there's a lot of schools
out there that's spent a lot of money that aren't
getting much out of it.

Speaker 8 (38:46):
And so we also got to be really, really thoughtful
and strategic about how you're recruiting, how you're evaluating, how
you're negotiating and roster management at the end of the day,
and how you're constructing these things because it's not about
this going and buy in the know yep, the highest
style of players available. So yeah, that's where I feel
good about where we're at as well.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Yeah, I mean you have to be savvy about who
you pick, and you know, obviously with the Value Football program,
that's the greatest example of trying to mix in what
is best for your team by allocating, you know, the
funds where you need to do that.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Hey, Grant, keep doing what you're doing.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Man, And I hear from John Deadman, are you gonna
come on every week? Because that'd be great And I
don't know if it'd be great for you, it'd be
great for me.

Speaker 6 (39:32):
I would love to if you have me. I enjoy this.

Speaker 8 (39:35):
Yeah, this conversation, and hopefully by the next time we talk,
you get you get a Bush's care package better.

Speaker 6 (39:42):
I think would be a shame if you don't.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
I'm dang right.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
I bet not only that, but I'm ready to start
like doing some hoop and hinkle again too, because I
want to like get the whole the media group back
because we got a lot of young people on the
media and I know they can't play and they all suck.
But I'd like to try to get that back going
on Tuesday again. If they wouldn't mind.

Speaker 6 (40:02):
Let's style that up.

Speaker 8 (40:03):
Man, I would love you know, I think that'd be
I have no interest in participating, but I would love to.

Speaker 6 (40:09):
Uh, I would love the entertainment. I'll referee. How about that.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
You know who I used to play with all the time.
He's now in wes Lofi had Terry Johnson. I used
to kick that ass. Let me tell you about that.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Oh boy. I know That's why I feel comfortable in
saying this.

Speaker 6 (40:27):
Your phone line, your phone lines are going to be
ringing off the hook.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
I know it all.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Right, man, Hey Grant, it's good to hear from me.
We can do this every week if you on.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
I love it. I appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (40:39):
Yeah, man, thanks for having me and uh and go dog.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
You got a great line.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
Decker Right there's the vice president director of athletics for
Butler is a good dude right there. Hey, if anybody
in the media out there, any nerds in the media
here locally, want to play on Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
We can see if we can put that together and
Hinkle again.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
And I know that the guys probably can't play a lick,
but I mean, if you want to, we can maybe
filter in some other people that wouldn't mind to play,
because that is a great venue to play, just so
you know.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
So uh Indi Media nerds, let me know what you.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
Think the side Brent's gonna rejoin us coming up next, Timmy, Yes,
as well our largelyd Bourbon Locks Lunazult Tequila Shots Week
sixteen where Coaches Tavern.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
We're in downtown.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
We would love to see you on ninety three, five
and one oh seven by the fan Coaches Tavern. Thank
you Grant Line Decker for joining us. A Butler Ross
is here too, a Coaches Tavern with us right now. Ross,
you brought the by the way look online right now
inside the tripa a membership lounge for the YouTube live.
We've got the JMV sucks cookies that Ross has brought,

(41:49):
and we have Brent Holverson an incredible Tavern Tour T
shirt that Ross is put together.

Speaker 5 (41:55):
Look at this tie, Die, this is outstanding. So rap
Evan Williams Tavern wore twenty twenty five JAMV Hovey with
a little grateful dead bolt in the middle of that
and then the back though kind of like a tour shirt. Yes,
today is what we've done every show this year in
twenty twenty five. So every location that we've been at
and we do see a coach is tavern On here too,
to go along with all the other wonderful stops throughout
the year.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
So Ross is heres Plainfield this year. You put this together, man,
Thank you buddy.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
You're welcome man.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
Man. So what was the idea behind it? You've done
this before too. I know you've got a sports arousal
with a ride with JMV shirt on over there right
now too. But what made you go with the whole
grateful dead ty I know is yeah.

Speaker 9 (42:34):
That guy and I did some quiet right last year
for I think one of your first concerts, so I thought, hey,
go with tovy this year, and then I've already gotten
for next year.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
So that is beautiful.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
Well, thank you for all that you do, because you're
a part of this show all the time. You're part
of the jam V takeover which we restarts coming up
on New Year's Eve.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
You mentioned you got a song in mind. What is it?
Holy Visions by Afi Afi. I'm gonna go I wanna
listen to that. I don't think i've heard it before.
What's what's the sound here?

Speaker 9 (43:04):
So it's kind of like it's it's a new song,
but it's kind of like a dark new wave song, kind.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
Of like, oh, okay, well, I'm gonna listen to Afi
when I get home.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
We'll roll that. But Ben, thank you very much for this. Yeah, no,
thank you for everything you've done. I love you guys.
You guys.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
And once upon a time we had a backyard bourbon
broadcast if you remember, at Ross's place over in playing Field.
So Ross, good to see you man. Yeah, oh right, well,
so thank you very much with the jamv such cruches
and the T shirt and we got to hit a
break and Tommy s rejoins because we got Larcitney bourbon
locks and Luna Zdul tequila shots for Week sixteen. Coming

(43:42):
up next, Don't go anywhere unless you come here Coaches
Tavern Downtown with ninety three to five and one oh
seven by the Fan. Week sixteen in our Sitney Bourbon
Locks and Luna's Zuli tequila start let's start with the
Rams of the Seahawks. And Seahawks were weird last week,
right because I didn't think they looked that good and
the Colts were. They won the game, and then obviously
the Seahawks took it from them. The Rams as of

(44:06):
right now are the road dogs. They're gonna get a
point and a half. I'm gonna go ahead, take that
point and a half. It could be the Rams on
the road later on the safety Brown, what do you got?

Speaker 2 (44:15):
And I think this is gonna be an outstanding game.

Speaker 5 (44:17):
I mean again, we talked about the implications this is
gonna have, but it's gonna be uh. I think this
is gonna be close. And you mentioned last week. I mean, yeah,
they didn't score a touchdown, but my sticking fie field
goals and he was sick. He was perfect. Excuse me,
get that one out. He was perfect from field goal range. There,
I tell you it's gonna be a great game. I
actually am gonna go against you here. I'm gonna take

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the Seattle Seahawks. I think they pull this one out.
I think it's a lower scoring game. For as high
powered as that Rams offenses, that Seattle defense is still
pretty strong. I'm gonna take the Seahawks lay the one
and a half, twenty four to twenty.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
They Winn's Tommy as over there.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
Sam Darnold one and four career against the Rams, got
embarrassed last year and the playoffs is a viking.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
I like the Rams. I think the Rams are the
best team in the NFC. No offense.

Speaker 4 (45:04):
The Packers don't they lost Michael parksons, mister Hofferdson. I
like those Rams. Give me, give me that point and
a half.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
That is that is a brutality right there. To say
the least. You guys want to go with the Saturday
games first, or how do you want to do this?

Speaker 5 (45:19):
You guys tell me abouts around?

Speaker 1 (45:21):
I mean the way well, well, okay, well it's doing.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Not have a big order, but the timeline order. I'll
tell you what, how logical? All right, den, So we're
gonna go the timeline of the Saturday games.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Here. You want to go to the Eagles and the
Commanders at five o'clock on Fox coming up on Saturday afternoon.
You look at that match up in the Greater Washington,
D C. Area with the Commanders of the Land over uh,
the Eagles are I think the last check six and
a half point favorites better.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
That's six and a half. I'm gonna take the Eagles
on the road.

Speaker 5 (45:55):
Yeah, I'm with you there, John, I mean they came back,
they looked good last week. I think the commander is
going the wrong direction, of course. I mean they're four
and ten going a lot. Usually within this division, they
play each other tight at home. I think Philly's gonna
come out. I think they're gonna sneak by. I don't
think they're gonna win and just blow their doors off,
but they're gonna win. Cover the six and a half.
Twenty seven to twenty. Eagles get the cover.

Speaker 4 (46:15):
Tommy is Yeah, Washington, I mean their season is pretty
much over. Jane Daniels, I think has been shut down
for the year. Uh, Terry Mclawren's been battling the injuries.
Philadelphia so has a lot to prove. They've been kind
of struggling the last few weeks. But I think they
go in there and they cover that six and a half.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Give me the Eagles, all right, we got the other
Saturday game eight twenty. Brent Holvis is gonna be excited. Uh,
maybe for the last time. It don't just joke it
Soldier Field to Chicago before they moved to Gary or
Munster Rose.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
O hoom Art. Is that cool for you?

Speaker 1 (46:49):
This Chicago, I'm trying to put him in Roslin right
there with the Ponderosa Sun Club and nudes of popping. Uh,
the Bears and the Packers. That A twenty coming up
on Saturday night. Last check, the Packers are one point
road favorites. I'm gonna go ahead and bury that and
give me Brent your pack despite the loss of Mikah Parsons.

Speaker 5 (47:11):
I hope you are right and I am not as
optimistic on this week. John I said this last two
weeks ago. I said, hey, Green Bay will win this
game at home. I think they're gonna get beat in Chicago.
Chicago has been playing very good football. Then we had
the We had a lot of losses last week. I mean,
especially losing number one Michael Parsons. We talked earlier what
he does, outside of getting in and sacking the quarterback,

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he causes that quarterback to think they don't have enough
time to get rid of it quicker. That's going away.
So unfortunately, or I'm gonna just say, hey, hopefully I'm
wrong here. I think the Bears they win the game
out right at the cover twenty four twenty over the Packers.

Speaker 4 (47:48):
Cough Man, You know, Green Bay has owned the Chicago
Bears for years, and I still think Jordan loves a
far better quarterback than Caleb Williams, although Caleb has he's
done well this year moments, but uh, even minus Michael Persons,
I think Jordan Levin company going to like the way
you guys think go pat Gobrand Holferson. The Bears are

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without Romaduze and that Burton.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
That is the fact that is right.

Speaker 5 (48:15):
So hey, there's gonna be a chance out there.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
A lot of stuff going on, There's no doubt about that,
largely New Breb logs lunasote to kill the shots.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Uh, let's go.

Speaker 10 (48:22):
To the Patriots and the Ravens New England season so
far alas they are road dogs in Baltimore three point
favorites of the Ravens.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
You just know something going on the aircon north there. Right,
it's kind of weird the way really nobody wants it,
but somebody's gonna end up getting it. So I'm gonna
go out and bury that three and give me the
Ravens at home.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
Brent Scary about that, but I'm doing it. It is.

Speaker 5 (48:50):
I mean, you know, again, New England last week they
got beats and Baltimore they won. They made the Bengals
like just horrible going into Cincinnati twenty four to nothing,
look like Joe Burrow just didn't even hero that what
was going on out there. I think Baltimore, you're starting
to see Lamar. You know, he's got he threw for two.
He's starting to get his legs back, and that's what
he hadn't had the last couple of weeks since he

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had been out. Starting to get back. They're scary team
this time of year, especially in Baltimore. Give me those
Ravens as well. Lay the three thirty to twenty three
victors over the Patriot.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
Tommy es Hey, you know, New England had a twenty
one to nothing lead over Josh Allen and the Bills
last week.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Blew it gagged it up, Tommy, they did.

Speaker 4 (49:28):
And you know, Baltimore, as you guys said, they're looking
really good. They're getting healthy, they're getting into a rhythm.
They might be a team to watch in the AFC playoffs.
No Patrick Mahomes, you know.

Speaker 5 (49:38):
No Chiefs.

Speaker 4 (49:39):
That might be a team to watch. I'm gonna take
those Ravens minus three, all.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
Right, Bank of America Stadium on one o'clock on Fox.
Coming up on Sunday, the seven and seven Buccaneers, the
seven and seven and Panthers. Who wants this right now?
That's a jump ball of what credible swords right here?
But man, still a three point favorite on the road
of the Buccaneer. I'm gonna take that three and give
me the.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Home standards right there with the Panthers.

Speaker 5 (50:04):
Brent, Yeah, you know the Tampa team. They look so
good in the beginning of the year and then they
have just kind of went upside down the last couple
of weeks. Carolina, Yeah, Carolina, though they were hot for
a while and then they they stuck it up, lost
at the Saints in New Orleans last week. I think
they're gonna come back as well. Give me that home dog,
Carolina plus three. I think they win the game out right,

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twenty seven twenty four victors over Tampa.

Speaker 4 (50:27):
Tommy, Yeah, again, it's just a trash division and who
wants to win it? Give me those kiddie cats plus
three at home because Tampa, like you said, does not
look good.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
In Week sixteen, largity, Burban locks Lunazil to give the shots, Coaches,
taf for Downtown, Tommy es, Ben Holveston, chamv thank you
for joining us.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
The One o'clock Fox starred as.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
The Chargers at ten and four Cowboys at six seven
and one. Everybody keeps thinking, man, the Cowboys are gonna resurrect.
To me, the Cowboys are at donezo right here. I
don't trust the Chargers very much either, between being dinged
up and on the road inefficient. Two and a half
point favorites the Cowboys at home. Give me that two

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and a half and give me the La Chargers.

Speaker 5 (51:09):
Brent, Yeah, you know it. Last week and Tommy's Vikings
beat the Cowboys JJ McCarthy.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
There all pro against JJ come back.

Speaker 5 (51:18):
They were tired at seventeen and a half, and then
the Vikings just overtook it in the second half. There, Cowboys,
you're right, I mean they're they're that team. They show
all these signs that they have all the power in
their receiving corps with Ceedee, Lamb and Pickens.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
They're outstanding. Ferguson which he's not been utilized a lot.

Speaker 5 (51:33):
Williams looks great back there, but their defense is just
absolutely horrible, and they just give up a lot of points.
I think go ahead and join you here, John, Yes,
go join me. Give me the Chargers plus two and
a half by that half point. But I think the
Chargers go ahead and actually win this game out right,
thirty twenty seven Chargers Tommy.

Speaker 4 (51:51):
Yeah, I mean, like you guys just said, the Cowboys
secondary is terrible. Their last in the league against the pass.
JJ McCarthy. Ate them up Land this week. Justin Habert
may have a career day. Uh, let me get that
plus two and a half.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Give me the Boats and Jets and Saints.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
We really got to do this.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Four and a half point favorites of the Saints at home.
The Saints four and ten, Jets three and eleven, one
in five on the road. How about the Saints are
just two and five at home? Held with a coin
on the son of a gun right here this pickock,
give me a pick them on.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
They really gotta do this.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Come on, guys, I'm gonna bet the four and.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
A half and give me the Saints at home. I
don't know why, but that's what we're doing.

Speaker 5 (52:30):
The red hot New Orleans Saints two wins in a row,
They're on fire right now. They keep it going when
they come marching in, Tommy, you singing, my friend, I'm joining,
I'm gonna join you. Give me the New Orleans Saints
twenty four seventeen over those halfless Jets.

Speaker 4 (52:44):
Tommy, Yeah, the Jets are just they're terrible. Aaron Glenn's
having the poor guys having a tough first year out
there that I think they fired their defensive coordinator this week. Yeah,
Saints look good. I'm gonna take the homeless.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Seam Steve Welks firing right there, minus four and a half.
Give me those Saints all bills in the Browns, How
about the bills.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Tell me mention that come from behind on the road
in Foxborough that is a ten point favorite on the
road against Cleveland, and good lord, Cleveland they lay to ten.
And give me the bills because you just can't. I
don't think they're going to cover this. I bet they
don't cover it. But I'm gonna take you anyway. Brent,
give me the bills. You're taking the bills. I'm gonna
take the bills. And you know it's all about time

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of the year and the position. Now you got my
homes out of the picture. This is Buffalo's time to shine.
Baltimore's kind of lurking around there. We'll see what they
do for them. But I think Buffalo's playing right at
the right time.

Speaker 5 (53:36):
You know, you got the Bears just beat down those
Browns thirty one three. Last week, the Bills coming back
like the Tommy had mentioned. They were down.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Twenty one points.

Speaker 5 (53:46):
It was, I think it was twenty four to seven
and a half.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Bills come back.

Speaker 5 (53:49):
Score twenty eight, outscoring twenty eight to seven in the
second half.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
They're looking good.

Speaker 5 (53:53):
Now, I'm gonna take Buffalo, lay the ten Bills twenty
seven to sixteen.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Yeah, it's one of those that you know, you look
at the road team is favored by ten. You kind
of move a movie like, I don't want to touch
that game. But Cleveland's terrible. A lot of those here.

Speaker 4 (54:09):
You know, Buffalo looks really good right now. Again, another
team to watch in the AFC. Get hot.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
I'll lay that ten, give me the Bills. I'm gonna
take the Vikings of the Giants.

Speaker 11 (54:17):
So at one o'clock the start off Fox Well, the
Giants two twelve, Vikings six and eight. I do think
that JJ McCarthy in that offense went better recently, So
I think just by.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
That alone, I'm gonna go ahead and take the Vikings
in this game.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Had lay the three.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
Give me the Vikings on the road against the Giants.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Yeah, those red hot Vikings.

Speaker 5 (54:41):
Two wins in a row against the Giants, who I
really thought at big end of the year, I thought
they I bet the over five and a half win
win total for him, and then as soon as they
lost Milak, Neighbors and scott Aboo. He was having a
great start to his rookie career. After missing the first
two games, he didn't do much and then he turned
it on. Those are big pieces. I think you got
something special. They're gonna look at here in the upcoming years.

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But they just haven't looked good at all. You know,
last week losing the Commanders twenty nine to twenty one
at home. I think this is another one of those
kind of games right here. Give me Tommy's Minnesota Vikings
twenty four to twenty to get the cover and the win.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
In New York. Tommy talked to us.

Speaker 4 (55:18):
Yeah, like you said, JJ's had He's had a great
two outings. I mean, granted it's been against bad defenses.
Giants have another bad defense. They're not playing for much.
I like the Vikings the light of the scoreboard. They're
going to cover that three. Give me my Minnesota if
I can.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Yeah, largely barban Locks learners don't have to give the shots.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
A week number sixteen, here the Chiefs, no Patrick Mahomes
three and a half point favorites on the road against
the Titans. I'm gonna take that three. And hey, look
at that man, there's Joel in the house. I'm on
to go ahead. Give me the Titans. Give me the
three and a half of the Titans.

Speaker 5 (55:49):
So, Brent Man, I thought I was gonna be the
only crazy one taking the lonely.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
I just I think the Chiefs are going to just
fade away and be done with her right now.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
The two and twelve Titans, I think you're right.

Speaker 5 (55:58):
I mean, I think you know we're gonna we're gonna
see the stash back out there and see what he
can do. But Tennessee, I mean again, they're they're they've
got a young team, right. And then cam Ward he's
still your guy, just hasn't looked like everybody expected him
to do. Tougher, rookie quarterback to be thrown into it
where he has been. I think Tennessee is not only
gonna cover this three and a half, I think they're
gonna win out right. I think Kansas City has mailed

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it for the year. I'm gonna call it twenty to seventeen.
The Titans win and they get that plus three and
a half. So that's a nice little coaching Tommy.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Yep, Kansas City.

Speaker 4 (56:29):
The Super Bowl hangover is complete for them. Bad news
down over there in Kansas City. Yeah, I think Tennessee
they're gonna they're gonna pull that win in Uh, give
me the home dog plus.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
Three and a half, guys, Falcons Cardinals three and a
half point favorites on their own, Atlanta lay the three.

Speaker 5 (56:46):
Give me Atlanta, hello, Brent, Yeah, this is another one
of those games. They just don't, you know, Atlanta, not really.
They're they're out of it. They're not going on. I mean,
they have looked better. They they you know, they've won
pressively last week. But Arizona they six losses in a row.

Speaker 6 (57:01):
Again.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
I like these home dogs in this spot.

Speaker 5 (57:03):
I'm gonna go ahead and take the Arizona Cardinals plus
the three. I think they win the game. Out right,
twenty seven to twenty four. Give me Arizona, Tommy.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
So this game. I mean, this is my Larsening lock
of the week. Locket.

Speaker 4 (57:16):
Give me those Atlanta Falcons minus three on the row
that Kirk Cousin's gonna light.

Speaker 5 (57:20):
Up the score.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
But we've still got a littleffinity there with mister Pitt's.
I'm gonna lock this one up right here.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
I'm about the Broncos three point favorites at home against
the Jaguars. I know everybody loves the whether Jaguars are
playing and Trevor Lawrence is playing right now, I think
the Broncos are gonna shut that down defensively, lay the
three and lock this up.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Brent Holiver said, give me the Broncos at home.

Speaker 5 (57:39):
Yeah, I agree with you here too. I like Denver
at home. You're right they both. I mean, hell, Broncos
won eleven in a row, Jaguars won five in a row.
They look great. It is gonna be seasonably warm out there.
I was with my buddy Ryan Parker in from Colorado
earlier today. He told me it's gonna be sixty degrees
out there again. I mean, it's a beautiful Colorado weather.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
Kicking ass and taking names.

Speaker 5 (58:00):
Go ahead and take those Broncos twenty four to twenty.
They covered the three.

Speaker 4 (58:03):
Tommy, Yeah, I mean the Donkeys look really good right now.
I mean they're just rolling. Sean Payton's got that team
in sinc. I think this is an easy cover. Give
me the Broncos minus three.

Speaker 5 (58:15):
This was big too, because I mean you're looking at
you want that one. You want every anything to go
through Denver, right, Yeah, weather changes. That's a tough place
to play in Mile High with the altitude.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
It's also tough for their quarterback too, so that's the
other Well, absolutely, the ideal circumstances are better for both knicks.

Speaker 5 (58:30):
I think absolutely.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
I trust bownext more than I trust Trevor Lawrence. Absolutely.
I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
Steelers Lions right here, seven point favorites at ford Field,
Lions at home. Leather seven and give me the line
when the Steelers are still in it and still playing
and we saw them.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
But I'm gonna go ahead and let the seven. Give
me the Lions. Brent.

Speaker 5 (58:46):
Yeah, Detroit's a different team at home. I mean they
play inside. I mean, granted they had a shootout with
the Rams last week. They got beat forty one, thirty four.
I think this is that seven is a big number
on this game because I think Steelers can hang. But
in all in all, I'm gonna go ahead and take
those lines as well. Call it thirty to twenty. Cover
the seven.

Speaker 4 (59:05):
Detroit, Tommy, Yeah, Pittsburgh playing a little well, but they're
on a short week and they're going into Detroit. Detroit
is desperately hanging off their playoff hopes. Give me those
kiddies minus seven.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
No, the Texas are fourteen point favorites. This is such
a fat number. I'm gonna lay it anyway and give
me the Texas at home versus the Raiders because they're on.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
A groove right now. The offense is getting a little
bit better, but the defense can be.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
Stifling and against the Raider offense, I trust that lay
the fourteen. Give me the Texas at home. It's a
big number. It worries me, but I'll take Houston. Brent,
this is a big number.

Speaker 5 (59:37):
Hate these big numbers, but the Raiders are looking for
that number one pick. I believe you got three two
to twelve teams out there, so it's really gonna come
down to a battle for that positioning in the when
the NFL Draft rolls around first of the year. Here,
I'm gonna go ahead and take Houston as well. Twenty
seven to ten. They cover the fourteen.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
Tommy, Yeah, there's no way the Raiders are gonna be
able to score enough points against that Texan defense. For
they are real defense and they might be a threat
to in the AFC. And I think Las Vegas might
win the Fernando Mendoza sweepstakes, but they're not gonna win
this week. And in Houston, give me those Texans two
touchdown favorite.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
All right, guys, Bengals and the Dolphins right here, we
know about to change a quarterback to a bench. We
know about the Bengals not really get a lot of swagger.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Within that program right now. So this is a coin flip?

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Four and a half point favorites to be four to have?

Speaker 5 (01:00:29):
The other money has moved on him just because of
the quarterback change with when yours is in the rookie
and then a lack of motivation with the Bengals.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
Lay the four and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Give me the Bengals. I'll take the favorites on the road.
I guess the rookie.

Speaker 5 (01:00:45):
Yeah, this is one of those games again. Probably wouldn't
touch it with your money, John, but I am gonna.
I'm gonna go ahead and take the Miami Dolphins as
they do have something to play for, and the Bengals
just didn't look like they gave a crap about what
was going on last week. Burrows not even happy being there,
He didn't want to play anymore, all this stuff that's
going on with him. I'm gonna go ahead and take

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those Dolphins and look for a very close game. I'm
gonna give me the home dog in this situation. Give
me the Dolphins plus four and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Totally.

Speaker 4 (01:01:14):
You know, I think I've taken every kitty cat team
so far, so I'm not going to break stride. The
Dolphins are a disaster. Yeah, the Bengals aren't playing for much,
but I think we're gonna walk into Miami and just
and walk away with the Give me the Bengals minus
four and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
All right, guys, we got the Monday Night and the
forty nine ers that the Colts we don't. Phillip Rivers
is going to be the quarterback once again at start
of the forty four year old out of retirement. They
lose last week that fifty six yonder by Jason Myers
was the difference after the sixty yonder. Well, we're gonna
all be groupie groupies. We didn't end up that way

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with Blake the kicker for the Colts. The Colts right
now they are at home on Monday Night, six point underdogs.
I believe that they cover, but I think the Niners
are gonna have too much.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
And I still question the limitations again down the field
at quarterback, even.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
If Shane Steiken says there can be a remedy there.
I questioned that with the quarterback that they have only
twenty on the board for the Colts, twenty four to
twenty the Niners over the Colts. They do cover that number,
but they do lose on Monday Night, Brent.

Speaker 5 (01:02:25):
So you go with the Colts plus the six, I'm
gonna go against you here. I think this is two
teams in the complete opposite directions. Last four games, San
Francisco's four to zero Culture or four as we all know,
did surprise. They did cover for us last week we
had them plus thirteen and a half took We both
did them. But I think this has two different tapes

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right here. I'm gonna take the forty nine ers are
gonna come in. Unfortunately again, Hope, I'm wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Rough shot running is what you're talking about right here.

Speaker 5 (01:02:53):
This is correct.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Thirty to twenty means they cover the six.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Give you the forty nine, Tommy, What are you thinking here?

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Man? Save the day? Man.

Speaker 4 (01:02:59):
I'll tell you what I really like this matchup. It's
at home. It's the first Monday night football game at
Lucas and I can't remember how many years. I think
the crowd's gonna be amped up, and we're gonna get
out there and cure on them Colts.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Thank you for joining us. Back of the studio is current.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
I'm John Devs, the onside engineer, Ethan and the Hammer,
the real Hammer and the Hammer family. Chris Hammer is
hanging out with us today. Largenid bourbon locks, Luno zuel
tequila shots in the rear view. Thank you all for
being a part of this grand Lineedecker, who was the
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little bit earlier, they had the Indie Classic coming up
this weekend, which should be awesome. Obviously, you've got Butler
in Northwestern, Purdue and Auburn, and I mentioned to him,
and I know this comes from the Indie sports court,
but shout out to bush Beans that has been a
part of my dietary path in the year and a half.

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Shut out the bush Beans for that as well. I
shouldn't mention too Tomorrow for those of you that are
up near Geist, that are up in Hancock County around
Mount Vernon up in there, right, we're going to be
coming to Pendleton Pike and the location of Whiskey Business.
That is a bud Light Blue Friday. I've got Monday
night football tickets to give away coming up on the

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show tomorrow. Bud Light Blue Friday finds us at Whiskey
Business on Pendleton Pike coming up.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
That is tomorrow the news of the day.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Obviously we're following, you know, the emergence again and ready
to practice. Cleared medically, but now back into practice for
Anthony Richardson Senior and the difference between what head coach
said and the difference between what players said regarding his
present condition. Mike Chapel and I discussed coming up at

(01:04:56):
the top of the hour, the Forest Buckner saw us
Gardner hoping for returns on Monday, and of course the
Colt's back in practice for the first time this week.
Earlier today, and the really awful news out of Statesville,
North Carolina, the plane crash, the private plane that crashed

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that had Greg Biffle, the NASCAR driver and his family
on board, and we talked about that a little bit
earlier as well of the sad news, certainly the NASCAR driver,
the humanitarian and Greg Biffle, who had been on this
show a number of times in the past, and as
I mentioned a little bit earlier, I really loved dudes

(01:05:39):
that come on the show and can talk just a
little bit more than what they do, and he was
certainly one of those. So our thoughts are certainly going
out to the NASCAR community and those in and around
Greg Biffle.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
That was an awful story.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
Certainly is that it is continuing to evolve out of
North Carolina. A little bit earlier today I mentioned two
to Digress. Week sixteen picks starts with the ram for
the Seahawks coming up later on, and as well, and
you've got Pacer Hoops. Shout out to Chad Muchannan. I
don't know if he's listening right now, but obviously Nixon
Pacers coming up later on. Tonight at the Knicks where

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your Emirates Cup champions out in Vegas, and they get
a pacer team that look like absolute crap on Sunday
against the Wizards, and I really have no other way
to put it, just absolute crap. And there's one thing
to be injured and not to be able to play
that way obviously be compromised, but it's another thing to

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play in the fashion in which they did, which is unacceptable.
Knicks PACER's coming up later on tonight at Gambridge field House.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
We talked about that also.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
A little bit earlier that you fans are gonna be
focused in on coming up tomorrow Bama and Oklahoma to
find out who the Hoosiers will play in the Rose
Bowl coming up on New Year's Day as a part
of the College Football Playoff. We'll get some of the
thoughts of Brent, and just a second about those College

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Football Playoff games that are coming up that starts obviously
with Alabama and Oklahoma.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
Thank you, my brother.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
It is very sad to talk about this being the
last large city Bourbon Locks Lunda Zulta Kiva shots until
we reconvene with Tavern Tour stops coming up in the
year twenty twenty six. But yeah, indeed, this unfortunately is
it today. It coaches Tavern and we would love to
see you. Plenty of time to get down here. And
a shout out to my man bron To McDuffie that
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dude right there. When he shows up, the level of
play goes up. When he shows up, level of play
goes up. Even if Mike Landis says it doesn't, it
absolutely league does. Bronson McDuffie in the house today. Bret
Holferson is also here. Large City. Barbara locks lunazult to
hear of the shots, says, I mentioned a little bit
earlier the final show that we're going to do until

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twenty twenty six.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
It is, and it sucks.

Speaker 5 (01:08:14):
It does suck, and man and again, it seems like
it takes so long to get different football season. Then
all of a sudden, damn, we're right here, right, We're
already in week sixteen. So it's gonna be. It's gonna
be a tough few weeks, John, But at least we've
got old Saint Nick gonna be joining us Thursday, and
we won't be on air and then we've got baby
New Year.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
Coming in the following Thursday, Christmas and New Year's Day
and not miss a beat.

Speaker 5 (01:08:37):
Well, you know, hey, we'll kind of hold on to
the good will and let's get out of twenty five
and roll into twenty six and we'll kick off a
new season next year.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
I'll tell you what. Let's take a break and come back.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
I want you to look at the college football playoffs
start here in these games including Oklahoma and Alabama, go over.
Then on the other side, my chapel joins us coming
up at the top of the hour of your buddy
Kevin Todd. Hey, coming up five today. I think it's
Kevin Todd's last appearance of the year on the show.
He joins us at five point thirty coaches Tavern Downtown
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kill the shot Pacers to play in Downtown against the
Knicks tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
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Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
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Do that right now. I'm ninety three five and one
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to thank you for joining us. The Coaches Tavern, We're Downtown,
Lost City, Bourbon Locks, Luna's ult Tequila Shots, the Final
of the Year with My Chapel. Top of the Hour,
Kevin Todd Bottom of the Hour. Brent Alverson JMV is here. Brent,
have you eye bowled the start of the college football
playoff to the point where you feel secure in giving
everybody out there your particular selections?

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
What do you got?

Speaker 5 (01:09:55):
Well, if we're talking about to start off tomorrow night,
we start everything off when we know of things with
Alabama and Oklahoma. Tomorrow got Oklahoma to lay in one
and a half. A lot of people really like Alabama.
I don't. I think Oklahoma is gonna pull this one.
I think it's gonna be a close game. Twenty three
twenty something along these lines. Watching Alabama against Georgia was
that last week, I think two weeks ago, whatever it was.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
They just don't have it and they don't look like
they have it.

Speaker 5 (01:10:20):
Don't look like they have it, So I think I
like Oklahoma in that game. Moving on to Saturday, we've
got Miami and Texas A and M. I really like
Texas A and M in this game. Laying three and
a half. I think they cover that pretty easily. Then
you got Tulane and Old Miss, Old Miss, of course
missing some coaching abilities, laying seventeen against the Green Wave.

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I think it's going to be close to that number,
But I'm kind of leaning.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
The children two lane coaches staying yes, but Lane Kiffin,
Lane's gone, and then Lane Kiffin gets the money if
they were to win and continue to go, he gets the.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
Bonus out of Is that right? I haven't haven't dubbed. Yeah,
that's that's kind of what a snake does.

Speaker 5 (01:11:01):
Okay, well that's what snakes do. That's snake. But you know,
I think that game's gonna be kind of close to
that number. I don't I'm personally gonna lay off of
that one. I think Old Miss probably would cover that seventeen.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:11:13):
The one that's gonna be interesting. I think James Madison
could be a little sneaky on Oregon twenty and a
half and a half point spread. I still think I
still lean Oregon in that, but I'd be the one
that I'm kind of more concerned about.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
That's going to be over at the half.

Speaker 5 (01:11:29):
It probably it probably will Oregon's fast tracked team, right,
they get out there and pump, and that's probably what
James Madison is not used to playing those powerhouses like that.
So I would I mean, again, it's all chalky. I
would take all the favorites in this first, first little
segment here. It's gonna be an interesting run because I
think Texas Tech is the team that really scares me,
hopefully seeing IU playing either Oklahoma or Alabama. Kind of

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thinking it's gonna be Oklahoma. I think they get by them.
But then Texas Tech is up there lurking, and I
think that's gonna be a football game, right, I mean,
you've got two strong defenses going to each other, kind
of like that Ohio State IU game was. I honestly, John,
I think we could see a reach of the Big
Ten championship. As chalky as it sounds, with one and
two coming back around, I really think you might see that.

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And hey, look what Indiana has done. I can't turn
my head on him now. I've been riding them all year.
I think they're going to continue. They might just go
through and roll them all out and go ahead and
wrap this up, call this a great year and win
it all.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
It is absolutely amazing where IU is.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
And then you know, if you want to talk about,
for example, Michigan and just the incredible soap opera that
they're in right now, boy, it is even more.

Speaker 5 (01:12:38):
Oh absolutely, I mean you know, and again, I mean
you look what the coaches right, they have a big
play on everything. I mean with Signetti's done with the Hoosiers.
We all know that, We've talked about it in depth.
You can see it on paper. What is what's happened?
And then you look at Michigan and man, oh boy
had some outside the football field stuff going on right there.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
So yeah, guess yeah, he's got hisself.

Speaker 5 (01:12:59):
He was he was nuts.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
So I mean, I know some of these dudes, I'm
good right now, I know some of these dudes are nuts.

Speaker 5 (01:13:04):
But he was like extra nuts. Oh extra nuts indeed,
So and nuts is a good way to describe it. Yeah,
So I you know what.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
I then we got this little like clean and proper
dude in Dusty May and his recon shot for the
basketball program. And you got sexually devian nut jobs for
own more running around as your football coach. Well done
up there, Good god, oh lord, it's Michigan. Well done Michigan.
It has been a mess. Plus they got beat by
Hoio State, right, so it's just a kick in the

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So what are the odds? Do you have any odds
on whether or not you have to look this up?
It's your guess on whether or not the Bears are
going to end up playing in the state of Indiana,
Northwest Indiana one of these days.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
I love it. I gotta love this conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
It is so stupid, and I do wonder we'll ask
Mike about this coming up, Mike Chapel at the top
of the hour. I can't imagine that the Colts, Brass,
Carly Orsay, Gordon and company would be very happy about
this happening. Yeah, even if that is Chicago Bears Company
or the country in general up there, right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
It is, And I honestly don't see it happening. John,
I really didn't know what was the whole.

Speaker 5 (01:14:10):
Arlington thing where they were gonna be well.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
Kevin Warren was hired to get something done. Kevin Warren
hadn't got something done. So he's thrown out this. Well,
this is what we could do. And you know, now,
Bears people are gonna, oh my god, No, they may
go to Bammond.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
I they just don't see that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
I don't the Ponderosa Sun Club.

Speaker 5 (01:14:29):
They'd be skinning to win it, you know what I mean,
skin kid, skin to win it all.

Speaker 6 (01:14:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
I love this story because I love a little bit
of food bar. And let's just face that the Bears
moving to Northwest Indiana would be foo bar. So I
think we all have to embrace that a little bit,
don't we. I mean, you was a packer fan, don't
you embrace that?

Speaker 5 (01:14:53):
God, I don't even know how to think about it. John,
It's just you know, again, that is Bears country. That's
kind of got a lot of great ends and accounts
and things up there. That's all. It is all Bear's
count country.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
But it's also an arm pit too. It is an
arm pit.

Speaker 5 (01:15:06):
It is an arm pit, and I don't think it's
I just I don't see it happening. If there was
a line on that, I would bet against it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
Person it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
Tony Donahue somewhere right now, I go, man, because Tony
used to take this as the producer of this show
what I called where he is from because he is
from you know, Hobarn and Portage. I'm sorry, Portage is
what Tony is from, the same thing. I used to
call it an arm pit for him all the time.
So I'm sure he's will love it every.

Speaker 5 (01:15:32):
Single Yeah, you know, and you know it's wild though.
Soldier Field is a very it's a kind of an
iconic place, you know, and I've had the pleasure of
seeing many football games there, concerts a grateful that fiftieth anniversary.
They're just outstanding. It is a great place. I know
what they're wanting to do. They want to get that
congestion out of already a super congested area. But you

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know in reading, you know, kind of this whole exploring
movie in Northwest Indiana thing.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
I just I don't see it. I really don't. Well,
that was Kevin Warren's job when they hired him, was
to get this thing done.

Speaker 5 (01:16:01):
Yeah, I know. It's talking about public funding, nine hundred
million dollars in public funding. They're looking for new stadium
Cook County, but they've received little urgency from state officials.
I think this talk right now will cause that urgency
to raise up.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
That's what they think.

Speaker 5 (01:16:17):
I think that's exactly what they're pushing for.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
Maybe it ends up in Hammond or Roselawn, the Ponderosa
Sun Club presented by High Society Magazine.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
I think that's perfect right there, Brent, we'll come back.
My Chapel's join just coming up on the other side.

Speaker 1 (01:16:32):
We'll ask him regarding the Colts and Colts ownership how
they may feel about that, and then obviously the injury situations.
Who's going to be back in the Monday night matchup
against the Niners.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
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Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
Eric, Eric will get you a deal right now. You
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Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
So shout out to Eric Wilson there's listing, Shout out
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my bladder because I'm so I'm kind of boxed in
here and I can't get to the bathroom. So shout
out to my bladder that has allowed me to sit
here and not have to get up and go to
the bathroom. So far, pretty impressive.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
You know, it is good considering. I think. I normally
when I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
Going through your a nation, I get the sensation that
I have to go again when I'm doing it. That's
how old I am at They say, once you break
the seal, right, I mean, you don't want to break
that seal, and the seal has not been broken just yet.
But a shout out to my bladder that's hanging in
there for me right now. Any thoughts before we get
to Mike Chapel right here, A lot of people want
these ross shirts.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
That he created. I guess right.

Speaker 5 (01:18:09):
I've had several text messages and Facebook messages come in
as of late the Roster's a lot of people that
want these right now.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
He wants Ryan now, are good friend? Net Ryland?

Speaker 5 (01:18:18):
Now if Joe's Derek White, Hey, Derek, Cope your arm
gets better, my man? I know he a little surgery today.
He wanted to be here. Yeah, a lot of people
shooting out about these shirts and I've seen a couple
of pictures off They're outstanding, man. I mean, I can't
thank you. Know, that's very very kind of you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
Well done, Ross right there, All right, Brent's going to
rejoin coming up in a minute two. We've got Kevin
Todd Bob of The Hour Busy Show. Tomorrow We're going
to be a whiskey business on Pendleton Pike on a
bud light blue Friday with Monday night football tickets to
give away. But on the any More Automotive Group pile line,
they probably Beach Grove is Mike Chapel of CBS four
and Fox fifty nine.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
I'm gonna start right here with the Kevin.

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
Warren angle now of Northwest Indiana being in play. How
might Carly ORSA Gordon and ownership of the Colts feel
about that ploy?

Speaker 3 (01:19:07):
I don't know why you would be against today. I mean,
you're not talking about moving it to Carmel. Uh So
the fact, well, you.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
Can't take away the armpit from us.

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):
All. We've got to have some armpit support, don't we.

Speaker 3 (01:19:23):
Well, yeah, this might spruce up that that corner of
the state. I would but this isn't like this isn't
like seventeen moving and they're moving, you know, to Louisville,
to where teams would have a problem. So I don't
think that they would have an issue with it. It
would sort of be yeah, come on down or you know,
to that part, and it would be a smack on

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Chicago's what it would be. It would look bad on them.
But I'm telling you, I posted her on Social I've
got I've got some real estate that we can haggle
over the price. But yeah, they could have it. They
could break ground and meet leave in Beech Grove if
they want to.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
Let me tell you this, Mike, we could put that
bad boy in Letting, Indiana, in the heart of Green County,
on the other side of the river, the bad side
of the river right there.

Speaker 3 (01:20:12):
There's always options. Sometimes there are bad options.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
Yeah, it's just kind of funny because I know that's
why the Bears hired Kevin Warren to really get this
going and put this thing into place.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
And and you can tell, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
A lot of people think, well, you know what, it
is a reality that no other in northwest Indiana is
an option, but others kind of view it as well.
This is kind of a leverage builder for Kevin Warren
and the Bears on a project that he was supposed
to get going that is slow a foot right now.

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
Well, everything's leverage, everything's leverage, and in putting the squeeze
on people. And you know, we've seen this, you know,
back in the day on you know, teams threatening to
move to La or whatever and to get a sweeter
deal where you're at. So it's all a game they play.
This will probably be back where they anticipate. Was it
olrig and Heights? Is that what it is?

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
I'm not that Yeah, Arlington Nights. Yeah, So it'll.

Speaker 3 (01:21:08):
Probably be they just want to get something better from
that area. And then but it's a cool story that
for the short time that Indian Animals had another app protein.

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
Hey, by the way, to Pacer fans, Carl Anthony Towns
and Josh Hart out tonight, Mitchell, Robinson and og Annobi
available for the Knicks, Knicks and paces and Knicks are
the whatever. Who cares the Emirates Cup champions Nobody cares
about that. They get the paces coming up here downtown
about a block from where we are right now, coming

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up at Gamers Pass later off to night. My chapel
of CBS four and Fox fifty nine is so again
why the difference? And I think I know why, but
I want your thoughts on it between how the situation
was described regarding Anthony Richardson from his head coach Shane
Steichen and then himself earlier today.

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
Well, I think I sort of viewing it from a
different angle than a lot of people are. I cann't
know what I think is going to happen, and I'm
going to be surprised if Richardson plays this year. I
just am.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:22:18):
If he gets out there against Houston, fine, then I
was wrong. But I don't know how much difference there
is in what was said. The problem with Sangstune is
he doesn't give us. He doesn't always give us specifics,
and some of it is is seems don't want to

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do that, and some of it is there are hippo
rules and and here I please, I'm not. I'm not
defending change. Second, I'm not. But the most we were
going to get today about the eye is there's vision
limitations that we asked, you know, a couple of guys asked,
what are the limitations? Is it vision? Is it peripheral vision?
And they're not going to get into uh. You know

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from James Stikeen is is he's being cleared to practice
from the from the fractured eye and from the from
the vision standpoint, he's still limited vision. I don't think
they know how that the limited vision is going to
impact playing a position that requires required your you know,
your full vision just to see things coming and to

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see things opening up. And he hasn't practiced in eleven weeks.
And then when we talked to Richardson today, I thought
the furtherest key went was. I asked him do you
envision yourself playing this year? He said I do. He said,
you know, this is the game I love. He didn't say,
damn it, I want to play, uh, but but he

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made it.

Speaker 6 (01:23:44):
Very clear that he wants to play.

Speaker 1 (01:23:47):
He didn't want to sound like a woosie. He didn't
want to sound like cap out guy.

Speaker 3 (01:23:51):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, I'll let you go there.
But but I know what you're saying. But he didn't
say I'm ready to play right now, and he's not.
He can't be. He can't be in football shape. But
because part of the southern with that fractured eye, if
you can't run around him, you can't jar the fractured

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orbital bone part even after it was it was you know,
addressed and fixed it, and the stitches in the eye
and all that. So he's gonna fractured face for crying
out loud. So it's gonna take some time to really
not do I guess what ride the stationary bike. I
guess you can do. So I don't know how far
he is away from actually playing a game. I do

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think there's a level where the team is concerned of
him getting not him getting hurt, but he aggravating fractured
orbital because the way Anthony Richardson plays, he's gonna get hit.
He just is. They're not going to ring him back.
If he comes back and have him hand off thirty times,
he'll play his game. Do I think it'll be this year? Probably?

Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
Not?

Speaker 3 (01:24:59):
Now Having said that, is if you want to get
him out there for three or four plays and running
gimmicks and and all that. Okay, but then he's getting
hit on those. So I don't know. Again, I think
the difference is that the Colts haven't been real I
guess detailed in Okay, First, he's been cleared like on Monday,

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he's been cleared for physical activity. Well, a lot of
us would say, well, I mean because he's throwing and running, well,
then he's ready for football activities. Well, that was the
leap that I took. And then and then today he's
got there. He's at there practicing, but he's not you know,
practicing if you know what I mean. He's he's being
eased into it. So I don't know. You know, they

(01:25:44):
ruled him out for Monday, so I'm glad they said that.
But the last two games could be in play. I
guess in my mind, I think they they've they've approached
the last part of the season. As you know, these
last two games, if we win, we got a chance,
uh not to get throw them away Seattle or Frisco,
and they garden their beat uh Seattle. But it's kind

(01:26:08):
of like they're pouring everything into the last two games.
I think there's a chance Buckner plays this week and
maybe saw Gard him next week. But I just I
think right now they're so committed to Phillip forever, Peter
Richardson comes back to be the backup, uh for this
game or two, I don't know. It's one though, that

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when you don't get really specific from the team point
of view, it leaves it leaves speculation to well, maybe,
you know, maybe Monday he's gonna play, and maybe maybe
next week against Jacksonville. People just have to realize he's
not practiced in eleven weeks now.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
They want to squash that, don't they. That's that's part
of this.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
Tiken's boy was trying to squash the thought that he
was going to be available.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
That's the way I felt.

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
The problem is no one knows that, Okay, not available,
not this week, of course, but they're not going to
say and he's not going to pay next week. They're
not going to do that. I would expect him to
do that. This is going to be a week to
week thing and changing that the dress it every week.
Well what about this week, Well we'll see, and what
we're going to get is, well we'll see how he progresses,
because that's all. That's all they can do and all

(01:27:23):
I would expect him to do. I would not expect
him to play Jacksonville, maybe Houston. And then you want
to put a guy who hasn't played in you know,
thirteen fourteen weeks to go out against Houston, which has
got the best defense in the league, and they're going
to beat the heck out of you because they're that good.
It's a difficult situation. Does he need to play before

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the offseason to show that he's okay? I don't know.
He's going to be the same quarterback. It's not like
this time off he's developed more accuracy, you know. I mean,
he's still a fifty percent passer. So I don't know
what he needed to prove before the offseason. I really
don't know what he needs to prove.

Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
To Mike Chapel of CBS four and Fox with the
don he's on the Andy Moore out of Money group potline,
So curious your thoughts on Seattle on Sunday. Obviously, at quarterback,
forty four year old Philip Rivers kept them innute, but
did he also help in the cause of keeping them

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from winning it? Considering his limitations down the field.

Speaker 3 (01:28:30):
Right, I thought that was that was an example of
a pitcher pitgeting a perfect game for eight innings and
then giving up a leadoff home run in the bottom
of the ninth and you get beat one than nothing.
They did almost everything right offensively, they did that. They

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they left a few plays on the field. They did
almost everything right special teams. I mean, you got a
star field goal by for crying out loud, but then
on the ensuing kickoff it was a little bit short
and it gave them a little bit shorter of a field,
and then the defense they held it out of the
end zone. No touchdowns and two of fifteen on third

(01:29:14):
downs and fifty yards rushing two point three yards, yet
you couldn't make a play on the last drive. It
was like the Kansas City game where you did so
much right and then you can't get out the field
when you've got the game in your hand. If you
ask any defensive player anytime, hey, we're gonna give you
an eighteen to sixteen lead, forty seconds to play the

(01:29:37):
balls on there thirty seven and sign me up, and
you've got the closes, or they didn't do it and
It's like I said that right now, they're playing just
good enough to lose, and that's where they're stuck. And
you can't you can't play that way against Seattle in

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San Francisco, in Jacksonville and Houston. And you know, they've
got to do more this week. Whether where the Rivers saying,
I don't know they've got they've got to find a
way to get the ball down the field to Pierce,
they do, because until they show that they can at
least have a threat down field, Jake is going to
have eight and nine man boxes and it's just tough

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to run when it's like that. So I Stiching and
Jim Bob tudor Kin came up with some former fashion
to open things up to where they give jt a
chance to get to the second level and break some plays.

Speaker 1 (01:30:36):
Hey, Mike, would you have designed a couple of long
ball kind of jump ball throws to Alec Pierce on
Sunday just for you know, just for the reason of
loosening things up.

Speaker 2 (01:30:50):
I mean, you have to try to do something.

Speaker 1 (01:30:52):
That's one of the things across my mind on Sunday
that they never did until you know, obviously the end
of the game situation when they need to them way.

Speaker 3 (01:31:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And that's the thing. But they were
so concerned, and rightfully so, of not getting the quarterback hit.
And I mean, you know, they average four point four
yards a pass a tempt or something, and that's just
that's Matt Ryan level and you can't you can't win
like that. But they got really lot quickly. They had

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the screens and the short passes and you know, the touchdowns,
the downs on that shell across her. But I thought
they were so conscious of not having him hold the ball,
and you can't. You know, if you're gonna take your
shot to deep, you've got to hold the ball for
a few seconds to get Pierce a chance to get downfield.
And I but I do think, yes, I think they

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need to do that. And then, oh, by the way,
Braden Smith's out for the season. You know, you've got
a rookie playing right tackle, and we don't know about
you know, Bernie Rayman with his elbow. He didn't practice today.
Uh so you may have Luke Canuda playing left tackle.
Everything that you want to do, you're limited by a

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quarterback who really can't move very well. He couldn't move
very well when he played, and you've got two very
very inexperienced tackles playing, So it's it's what you want
to do and what you're able to do, or two
totally different things. Especially now.

Speaker 1 (01:32:20):
To Mike Chapel of CBS four and Fox withy Done.
You mentioned the Forest bucknering your thoughts on his return Monday,
and where are we with Sauce Gardner right now?

Speaker 2 (01:32:30):
On that secondary.

Speaker 3 (01:32:32):
When we talked to buck last week, he just didn't sound.
He didn't have his usual bubble in his voice where
he was so upbeat. I didn't and he didn't play
this last week, which is how it turned out. This week,
we'll see he was. He was full practice today and
this will be against his old team on Monday night,

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and you've still got playoff hopes. I think this is
the game where where but they're gonna have to hold
him back. They'll have to take his helmet so that
he doesn't play. I just think that's how he's built.
We were joking and sometimes I say, well this is
a this is the horseshoe guy. When they signed somebody, Well,
the fourth Buckner is the horseshoe guy. He is. I mean,

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if you could ever draw up what you what you
want a player to be, this is this is it.
And he's a damn good player to boot, So I
think he plays. Sauce Garter, I don't know. I not
practicing today, in my mind's not ideal. We'll see tomorrow again.
Maybe he's one of those guys that you're they're really

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pointing on. You know, if we get if we can
get to these last two games and find a way
to win him, then we got a chance.

Speaker 6 (01:33:45):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:33:46):
But I think they got a chance to beat Frisco.
I really do. But but I I just wonder, well, well,
well don't tomorrow. If Sauce doesn't practice tomorrow, then in
my mind, he's not playing. But they just got they
just they either they need their defensive players back buck
and saw something. They're not getting money war back the
next year, so they just don't have many difference makers.

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They just don't you know, the two ends aren't aren't
giving you what you need with sitty pay and lattu. Uh.
And I'm curious how they're going to cover George Kittle.
You know, that's a lot of times that's the linebacker
territory and that that can't be so again, Frisco's got

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You know, this game is all about difference makers, and
they've got two or three and and Kittle and McCaffery
are at the top of the list. So I think
this is this is a winnable game. But Frisco's got
some pretty good players. You got you gotta account for.

Speaker 1 (01:34:47):
Mike Chapel of CBS four and Fox fifty nine. How
do you view Shane Steichen and Chris Ballard and their gigs?
And I guess I'll ask you this from the angle,
what if they lose out? And I know that's the negative,
But if they lose out, because here's why I say this.
You go back to the trade deadline, and I thought

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that everybody's coming back because of what they invested in
Sauce Gardner to win right now. So to me, that
dictated that everybody was coming back. But if they were
to fade out of the playoff picture in the fashion
in which we have seen them so far for the
rest of the season, does that change things at all?

Speaker 3 (01:35:30):
For you? Boy, living seven a row in the season
would be so difficult, And it's very possible. It is
maybe how they finish, not wins and losses, But you know,
is it eighteen to sixteen, is it twenty one to twenty?
Is it you know in these last games where boy,

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you were right there, does that change? You know? Does
the end result overwhelmed, overwhelm the how you play hard
didn't win? I don't know. Carly and her sisters have
primarily Carly has such a decision to make because it's easy.
It's easy to sit there and say, you know, when

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Dander Jones was healthy, we were kicking ass, we were
doing some good things. And you lose your starting quarterback
and your back up quarterback as a freaky eye injury,
and then you lose Buckner, and then then you lose
your three best defense to players Butner, Mooney and and

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Sauce Gardner. So I don't know that. It's a really
good question, and it's not an easy answer.

Speaker 2 (01:36:40):
It's not are you with me right now thinking that
they're all back?

Speaker 1 (01:36:43):
Because I think right now they're all back, But the
final three games I think may dictate the tempo on
this thing a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:36:51):
I think so too. Now if they go out there
and have a New York Giants game where they just
get their pants pulled down, you know, that's different. That's
different that could change things. I don't think that happens.
But you know, like the defense can only play so
long like it did in Seattle, and then my overall

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talent wins out. But that's a good point. I think
it matters not not not so much the wins and losses.
I hope they win one just because just because of it,
let's say optics, if no other reason. But it's almost
more important how they finish. You know, they don't have three,
three or four turnovers of the game and the defense

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just gets rolled. Then then you have then maybe your
your your your mindset changes. I just don't see this
team going belly up. I just don't, uh before they
need to get some players back. They need to get
Buck back, and you need to get Gardner back, because
this is this game is still about players. I just

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my issue is, I don't I don't know how when
you've got such a limited offense, how you can't keep
playing eighteen to sixteen games. You can't do it. That's
right hard on the rest of the scene.

Speaker 2 (01:38:09):
The nineteen sixties mentality doesn't work here.

Speaker 1 (01:38:12):
R Yeah, and it just it do a great topic, yep, Mike, Mike,
I'll look.

Speaker 2 (01:38:18):
At Philip Rivers on Sunday is somebody that kept.

Speaker 1 (01:38:20):
You in it and did a nice job of making
sure you navigate. But one of the biggest reasons why
you end up losing is because you couldn't stretch it whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (01:38:31):
And that is just what you.

Speaker 1 (01:38:32):
Have to do. In this era of the NFL. There's
no way around it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:36):
It was like two hundred and fifteen yards total offense.
You can't, Yeah, you can't. You can't win that way,
you know. So they've got to And again this year
they're what six when it's twenty points for fewer and
that's what it's been during this during this streak where
they're not winning and losing four out of five whatever
it is, Uh, probably out of six, I guess so,

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and you got to score it just it just puts
too much pressure on every other area that they can't.
You know, the defense can't screw because the offense can't score.
A special team. Can you imagine if Ruvie misses a
couple of field goals in a game, it puts too
much And he's when they when they signing he had
missed the most field goals.

Speaker 2 (01:39:20):
In the league.

Speaker 1 (01:39:21):
Mike sat Syke's played for Saint s Tyke has played
for sixty yarders to like win games twice this year.
That's incredible to me.

Speaker 3 (01:39:31):
That's just that's just not the way you can do it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:34):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:39:34):
And it took a great back shoulder throw and catch
the piers and then a couple of plays later to
get in position for that. So that's just not the one.
That's not a formula at all. That's where they are.
But no, you and I in the same page. They've
got to find a way. And I'm sure Reggie Wayne
would say, amen, brother that they've got to get the

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ball down the field because when you don't, everybody is
up with the line of scre image and it's just
hard to play offense like that. I don't care what live.

Speaker 1 (01:40:03):
With you're at, Mike, appreciate you. We'll see you on
Monday night in the press box. Thank you me well, buddy,
it's a Mike. It's a Mike Chappel of CBS four
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but Og and Mitchell Robinson go for the.

Speaker 2 (01:40:50):
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